How To Avoid A Buff Abuser

[h.blitzkreig]

As an acolyte, u will come across certain people, usually neophytes and squires (No disrespect to all squires and neophytes), who only ask u to join their party to buff them. Usually they'll tell u "Well, U Dont Have to Fight I'll Do The Fighting And U Just Buff Me When I'm Down" Its okay to buff people, but dont allow them to control when u use Bless Or Fist Up. And if there not willing to provide MP Pots, just leave. Lets all use our Acolyte powers for good, and not selfishness. :)

[Kairi13]

lol i guess it depends how they ask and the situation cause im not sure thats so bad =/

[diedwithoutasoul]

HMMM sounds like MY thread >.> i take it u read my thread >.> lol

[nickiweard]

i have no problems with people asking me to join their party just to buff them as long as they have exp/item divide on. if they dont its kinda pointless being there, but you have to weigh up whether joining the party increases your reputation as an aco therefore enabling you to join more parties. IYSWIM.

Oh and i've never expected a party/duo to provide MP pots....as far as i am concerned that is my responsibilty and as above if they have item divide on you should make enough to cover your costs.

I have been in duos where when we have finished my partner has given me the majority of items as a thank you.

p.s it was nice to meet you in rud yesterday sammie!

[h.blitzkreig]

Im srry i didnt realize it sounded like your thread until the next day srry.

[Rorin_V]

And if there not willing to provide MP Pots, just leave.

I, personally, don't think it's the party's responsibility to provide you with potions. Should they have experience share and item divide on? Absolutely. But MP potions are your responsibility, just as it's everyone's responsibility to have some HP pots on them for emergencies. There are times I ask a party member to hold pots for me until I need them, especially a squire, since they'll burn through MP pots much slower than I will (unless AoEing, but that's another story) meaning they can carry less of their own and still not have to repot as often.

If someone offers you potions, accept them gracefully. If you need some potions to make sure that everyone makes it to the safezone intact, then ask politely, but make sure when you repot you at least offer to replace the potions you were given.

If you're in a good party with exp and item share on, you should get more than enough gear/books in drops to sell to the NPC and more than pay for your repot. If not, then find a more efficient party.

[eternalstarlight]

O.O y would the pt provide mp pots?? others use mp pots too and they dnt ask us to buy it for them---most of the times :p

[h.blitzkreig]

Usually I party with rich high lvled people so they usually buy me 100 MP pots but if your in a regular party with your friends Ask them to purchase a few or give up a few from thier own inventories to buff them. If there not willing to give over some MP pots dont buff them

[Kairi13]

Usually I party with rich high lvled people so they usually buy me 100 MP pots but if your in a regular party with your friends Ask them to purchase a few or give up a few from thier own inventories to buff them. If there not willing to give over some MP pots dont buff them
umm i just buff them when people ask party or no party lol i dont mind i love doing it and it sounds like there buying your service even though there probably doing all the work . . . thats kinda weird ill wait till someone else comments though =/

[nickiweard]

ummmmm i dont really know what to say to that to be honest. i have never expected anyone to give me anything to heal/buff them. And i would never not buff/heal someone just because they didnt give me mp pots.
what do i get out of partys and duoes? friendship, good rep and a damn good time i dont need to be paid to do that.

[Kairi13]

ummmmm i dont really know what to say to that to be honest. i have never expected anyone to give me anything to heal/buff them. And i would never not buff/heal someone just because they didnt give me mp pots.
what do i get out of partys and duoes? friendship, good rep and a damn good time i dont need to be paid to do that.

there we go im on her way of thinking =/ i love buffing people on my way to chant ill buff almost everyone i c

[Rorin_V]

Usually I party with rich high lvled people so they usually buy me 100 MP pots but if your in a regular party with your friends Ask them to purchase a few or give up a few from thier own inventories to buff them. If there not willing to give over some MP pots dont buff them

What?! If they're in your party, that's part of your responsibility as a party member is to buff your entire party. Buffing your fellow party members should not be contingent upon their providing you with MP potions. And, like I said, if you're in a good party, you should make more than enough kron to buy yourself more potions and have plenty of kron left over as well.

For a more practical approach to this problem, let's do some math. If you Buff someone with Bless and Fist Up, they will have higher defense and higher attack, meaning they will kill faster and take less damage while doing so. This means that you have to heal them less. Each Buff costs a bit more MP than one Heal, but not much... Ergo, you buff them occasionally, and you have to spam heal much less often.

Or..... You refuse to buff them, and they take more damage and have a longer time killing the monster because you didn't Bless or Fist Up, meaning longer battle and more heals for you. Or do you refuse to heal them if they don't give you pots as well? O.o

Which situation do you think saves more MP? I'm going with situation number one where you buff them as part of your JOB as an Acolyte to that party; your payment is not free potions from other people; your payment is experience and drops.

Remember this, always.... If the tank dies, YOU die, and if the tank dies because you didn't buff them, then you have nobody to blame but yourself.

[Kairi13]

Very nicely put rorin Rep for you ^^ i like how you explained it all i would have got tired of typing it

[lunarmagic]

I buff and heal everyone, and I don't expect them to pay for it.

But what I HATE is that one squire or neophyte that spams "BUFFZ PLZ!!" every god damn 5 seconds.

[Kairi13]

lol leave the map or just say nooo in a nice way O.o always worked for me or the other approach ignore them thats always a safe way to do it

[Arkova]

waaaa I would never pay for some1 else's pots. No wai, they have their own moneh! lol

next time I can aoe with a healer mabye I should make them pay for my pots then :P

[Kairi13]

waaaa I would never pay for some1 else's pots. No wai, they have their own moneh! lol

next time I can aoe with a healer mabye I should make them pay for my pots then :P

=/ thats actaully fair considering you do all the work keep us alive and we get great exp all we have to do is heal here and there and buff XP X.x

[shp4656]

Lol, expecting fighers to pay for pots.... Ive heard all kinds of complaints from acolytes, but this one's new ^^

[h.blitzkreig]

I buff and heal everyone, and I don't expect them to pay for it.

But what I HATE is that one squire or neophyte that spams "BUFFZ PLZ!!" every god damn 5 seconds.

Its like you read my mind I hate that to the point where i buff them then i Anti-buff just to spite them:D I mean you dont need buffs to fight. Buffs are just supplementary to help you fight better so you dont need it every 5 SECONDS!!

[Rorin_V]

Its like you read my mind I hate that to the point where i buff them then i Anti-buff just to spite them

Vindictiveness like that will come back to haunt you later, trust me. If they're rude to you, just don't buff them at all; don't make it worse for yourself by taunting them. You can refuse to buff; that's your right. But doing it politely will make all the difference later on when you're looking for good parties. You may have just been rude to some AoEers alt who will now never party you, and may make sure that others don't, either. Reputation matters.

[Kairi13]

wows yet again excellently put id rep you but i gotta give it to some other peoples first ill come back though ^^

[User200]

As an acolyte, u will come across certain people, usually neophytes and squires (No disrespect to all squires and neophytes), who only ask u to join their party to buff them. Usually they'll tell u "Well, U Dont Have to Fight I'll Do The Fighting And U Just Buff Me When I'm Down" Its okay to buff people, but dont allow them to control when u use Bless Or Fist Up. And if there not willing to provide MP Pots, just leave. Lets all use our Acolyte powers for good, and not selfishness. :)

O.o... why should we provide you with pots when we do all the work (well in this situation) and let you keep all the loot and exp.. you call us selfish but you want free pots, exp and loot... just for buffs. sounds a bit like your the selfish one.

[Fujimocchan]

^i agree with that ._. im playing my acothese days~ and why should someone "pay" me in pots for buffs and heals when they already "pay" me with exp? O_o

[nickiweard]

Lol, expecting fighers to pay for pots.... Ive heard all kinds of complaints from acolytes, but this one's new ^^


I hope that you dont think ALL acolytes want/do this? cos we dont!

The problem i see with the OP's way of thinking/playing is that other players may think that we all do this...i hope that they read this and see that she is in the minority (correct me if im wrong).

[User200]

I hope that you dont think ALL acolytes want/do this? cos we dont!

The problem i see with the OP's way of thinking/playing is that other players may think that we all do this...i hope that they read this and see that she is in the minority (correct me if im wrong).

um.. don't worry.. i'm pretty sure no one else does. if they did.. i'm more then sure there would be no shouts for clerics and acos

[h.blitzkreig]

O.o... why should we provide you with pots when we do all the work (well in this situation) and let you keep all the loot and exp.. you call us selfish but you want free pots, exp and loot... just for buffs. sounds a bit like your the selfish one.

I dont find it selfish because usually when I ask for pots I tell my group I dont want any drops. Thats being un-selfish. And yes were getting exp but with our buffs you fight better so you fight more monsters which gives us all extra exp.

[Kendrah]

<<; Remind me to never party with her. I'm poor enough as it is. Not to say I won't buy pots for healers occationally (usually when they refuse to track in a certain map) but they're also usually good healers and my friends.

No one has ever bought my aco pot's either. xD

[Mikitan]

You know what's the ironic thing about this? Everytime I play my cleric - It's usually me that spots pots for the tank! Lol, But the tanker I'm with has a general idea that I'll get the money back later in drops if we're having a good grind/aoe session.

I'm with the others, I only get annoyed to those people who spam "OMGBUFFSSSSSSS/HEAL MEEEEEE!" every minute. ;3

On another note; If I see people abusing my cleric powers (with the "I do the damage, while you just heal/buff me -- Oh btw, I get all the stuff because I'm doing the work and you're not.") -- I immediately leave. Those people will never appreciate the hard work Acolytes do. We acolytes are doing just as much work as the tanker is >_>

[branbranboy1]

this thread is dumb. just let the squires/neos train u..... its not a bad thing.

[tazsbigtoy]

The only reason anyone would invite one of us into a party would be to take advantage of our specialized skills which would mainly be healing and buffing. If we refuse to buff, we could easily be replaced with hp pots. I have had parties give me pots, I've had them give me kron or gear to sell to buy pots. I have also dropped some of my own pots onto a party member in need and bought pots for other party members.

[bloodly-chan]

You know what's the ironic thing about this? Everytime I play my cleric - It's usually me that spots pots for the tank! Lol, But the tanker I'm with has a general idea that I'll get the money back later in drops if we're having a good grind/aoe session.

I'm with the others, I only get annoyed to those people who spam "OMGBUFFSSSSSSS/HEAL MEEEEEE!" every minute. ;3

On another note; If I see people abusing my cleric powers (with the "I do the damage, while you just heal/buff me -- Oh btw, I get all the stuff because I'm doing the work and you're not.") -- I immediately leave. Those people will never appreciate the hard work Acolytes do. We acolytes are doing just as much work as the tanker is >_>
Exactally. Most of the time when the tankers aoe, they NEED bless or they will take too much damage and die in around five seconds flat.

My major aoer is a knight, so normally what happens is I buy 1500 pots and he buys 1500 pots, and dump them all on him to hold until I need them. That way, I'm not fat, he has the pots in case he runs low, and we still have them with us =] And if we cut the killing short, he ends up with some extra pots while I end up with a heck load more xp and waaay more than enough items/kron to pay for the pots.

[ggBuRNe]

As an acolyte, u will come across certain people, usually neophytes and squires (No disrespect to all squires and neophytes), who only ask u to join their party to buff them. Usually they'll tell u "Well, U Dont Have to Fight I'll Do The Fighting And U Just Buff Me When I'm Down" Its okay to buff people, but dont allow them to control when u use Bless Or Fist Up. And if there not willing to provide MP Pots, just leave. Lets all use our Acolyte powers for good, and not selfishness. :)

I don't understand why they have to provide you with pots. Their job is to do most of the killing and your job is to assist them in buffing and healing. Both have to work together to gain experience. If they abuse you or annoy you, just leave the party.

[stefito780]

Lol what a demand:
Aco:"Give me your MP pots or i shall not buff you."
God bless there are a lot nice acos hwo do there job more than great and they enjoy it. I belive that if you buff heal and take care well of your party memebers (as thats all party about) they will be thankful. If you do your job well people will appreciate it and if they have the opportunity they may give you items or help you later when you need. But thats not a must thats there wish.
I remember once with my newb aco i met one squire and then she bought for me a spark cash item (rabit cute ears) tho she didnt know i cant wear them (as sc items are untradable) it was so nice of her ^^i've never belived anyone would do that.

[justin_2006]

yeah i find it much more reasonable as an aco[and yes i do have an aco but lvl42 :X] to buff and heal than to fight.... if u fight and dont buff or heal then ull burn just as many mp pots, if not more... and if u buff, heal, and fight then of course ur gonna be getting drunk off of mp pots xD
just sayin, its soooo much easier to let them do the fighting....

and theres nothing wrong with asking ur buds to get u some mp pots or whatever, but if they say no, by all means dont hold it against them >.> every class has expenses in certain areas, be it pots or gears ><

[rahenne]

its been a long time since i played (several months), but i chose to be an aco because i wanted to help others. i healed and buffed just because. if i saw someone sitting in a safe zone, i would heal and buff- just because i am an aco. its my job. i am a healer. yes people do take advantage of us from time to time. by no means do i let people take advantage of me, but at the same time i never ask for anything for helping others. that's like a charity telling thoes it helps that they have to pay to receive assistance. i am not above asking people to give me some time between battles (if possible) to regen some mp.

i've never played anything other than an aco/wm/healer (depending on the game) so i don't know how i would look at a healer from another pov. to them, what we acos see as abuse of our powers, they may see as part of our job. we are there to heal and buff.

this may all be stupid, but this is just what i kinda believe.

[diedwithoutasoul]

Ok.....I know.....I'm not an aco but I liked the posts so far ^^;
Personally if it's not a REALLY high lvl map then I help kill the monster ^^; You spend alot of pots just to gain a little %
At lvl 66 I went to Loren with one of my friends who was lvl 39....he need 40%...so I was doing all the killing and blew 250k on pots ^^;

If I am with a party I bring around 160 tiny Mp pots with me and 2 or 3 hp pots in case of a mob....I don't like sitting and waiting for mp to come back so I do use Med. ALOT.....I prefer partying with plpl and since Loren gives me crap exp I go to chantry and duo or party....However, I only Oblivion or Ghost Steel something because I would hate to have one of those monsters hit me ^^;
Then my party takes care of the rest well i buff and heal...this also gives me time to regain MP inc case we get mobbed....since Oblivion is a D.O.T it benefits my party because it continuously does damage and helps me feel like
I am doing more than just buffing and healing

When we come together we of the healing class can be great and powerful!

[kingdom_hearts12]

really i dont mind about if the divided items is on... really i just want the experience points. plus i love buffing and healing people too. someone asks me to join their party i happily join. i supply my own pots but it is nice when im in an aoe and the tank supplies extra pots in case i run out. usually my aoer carries about 100 extra mp pots for me just in case. other than that its just the joy of healing and buffing for me ^^ and having a fun party counts too :D

[bobalitos]

when i was a low lvl aco it was really hard to get money so i dont know why you dont mind when the item divide is not on =S

[diedwithoutasoul]

I like cupcakes *bumping*

[nameraka]

*performs Revive on a 3-day old thread*

For me it wasn't that hard to get kron as a low level. I just sold everything that I got from drops, and eventually I got to the point where quests paid for everything and added weight to the bank. :)

(I did get 100k at level 2X from a passing disciple who said I reminded her of her CB days. I didn't dip into that until level 4X, though. o_O)

I prefer that the item split be on, but I have enough money flowing in to blow on pots and not lose too much money, so I don't mind much if it's off.

[AnimePimp66]

imo stay away from partys that dont and wont have randem on that is a noob move and chances are they not worth partying with.......