:confused: Xbow or Reg bow

[Robby]

Ok i am wondering wether Xbow is better than the Reg bow:confused:

Lemme know what ya think plz

[da_bears]

i have no idea curious also but its possible xbowis since its less common?

[Tsujin]

well, the xbow does quite a bit more damage, but I have a thunder roumen bow and it does the same dmg buit atk's faster.

[Trebori]

I have a Lightning Roumen bow +3 (6% crit)and a Storm Steel Xbow +3 (8% crit) and they seem to parse pretty close. It is a matter of preference IMO.

[TheWisestMagi]

It's a matter of preference..Unchanged the crossbow has more damage but less speed, but the regular bow has less damage and more speed...it's like an axe compared to a 2 handed sword..

[DaGrtMelinko]

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[Cheeser]

well I'm just gonna go wit the Xbow :-p because I want more dmg and the lowered aim wont affect me because I'm a dex archer wit 25 spr

[Robby]

lol Im lvl 18 so im gonna check back at 20 and go wit da one that has the most votes :D :cool:

[Kyuuto]

I'm lvl 46 Bow Archer, I don't like xbow much since its too slow and the dmg doesnt seems to increase much to me. I like fast is better^^

[iLoveless]

I go for the Crossbow because I love the criticals I get from it. Though I usually go for bows it's a nice change and I like it so far.

[bronkolawbringer]

well wich one has more speed? i'll go for the faster bow, and how do you get roumen bows?

[Morrik]

Archer do alot of crit's right so faster attack speed = more crits = more damage not to mention the speed = damage directly this is just bringing crits into the equation btw Speed always wins play Wow and fight Rouge vs Warrior Rouge wins

[shintetsujin]

another fast v damage thing!

but after reading numerous posts i think if you got a spr archer with bow you could out dmg a xbowmen.

[metalkalas]

For archers speed is evrything! Archers withotu speed is like hamburger without the burger :P So i vote reg bow :D (Xbow higher damage but way slower so you already attacked 2 times before the Xbow actually start with the 2nd attack :D)

[deliccate]

as a real-life archer, i go for the regular bow. though I wouldn't mind trying a xbow just for fun but my hearts with the reg bow.

[Xeionite]

I've done the calculations for the normal (no green named) lvl 20 bow and crossbow.

Crossbow has more DPS (not to mention it would do more dmg with skills)

BUT I have no idea how much % (or if it's static..) the masteries give and because the bow has 1 extra mastery, I'm guessing it still goes to par with the crossbow.

In the archer guide I've read a bit, it's true I suppose that crossbow is more for the skill spammer because of it's high dmg and skills not relying on attack rate anyway, and the bow for the people who save SP and just kite and all.

[KonataIzumi]

xbow, in my opinion. Use what you feel comfortable with. Theres no such thing as best. :rolleyes:

[Tamlinari]

I have both but I prefer the curve bow.
I buy my mastery for the curve bow too.
It is not only faster it looks really good (especially on female archers)
The Xbow is ok I guess but even though it does hit hard it is slower and less crits.
Just my opinion.
:D

[Allnighte]

This is correct ^^

I too did the calculations.
min max seconds
33 39 0
33 39 0.1
33 39 0.2
33 39 0.3
33 39 0.4
33 39 0.5
33 39 0.6
33 39 0.7
33 39 0.8
33 39 0.9
33 39 1
-1 -10 1.1
-1 -10 1.2
-1 -10 1.3
66 78 1.4
66 78 1.5
66 78 1.6
66 78 1.7
66 78 1.8
66 78 1.9
66 78 2
66 78 2.1
32 29 2.2
32 29 2.3
32 29 2.4
32 29 2.5
32 29 2.6
32 29 2.7
99 117 2.8
99 117 2.9
99 117 3
99 117 3.1
99 117 3.2

this is for the level 20 bow, but i just checked it for the level 30, and the numbers only get worse for the long bow.
first column is the difference between the longbow and the crossbow, assuming you only do the *minimum* damage range.
second column is the difference between the long bow and crossbow, assuming you do the *maximum* damage (but NOT with criticals)
third column is the game time in seconds.

as you can see, the ONLY time the longbow does MORE damage than the crossbow is at 1.1-1.3 seconds into firing. before and after that time, the crossbow ALWAYS does more damage.

now i didn't take into account aim (which probably helps you not miss), but i don't think the aim makes that much of a difference. (if you're missing a LOT, you're probably fighting too big of monsters anyway)
but if you factor in criticals, i have a feeling the crossbow still does more damage than the longbow

cliffs notes: CROSSBOW IS BETTER

[Nixkie]

I went wit a bow because a Xbow just dont look right on my character she looks cuter with a bow I quess cause she moves more dureing skill casting like aimed shot.

[Roxias]

as a real-life archer, i go for the regular bow. though I wouldn't mind trying a xbow just for fun but my hearts with the reg bow.
Thank goodness we got a real life archer's opinion.

[tonyyvo]

lol....i actually laughed out loud at that comment

[Shadowfiend]

Xbow rly does more dmg and most ppl use em. TRUST ME!!!:cool:

[PufftheMagicDragon]

Rofl real life archer? wow ****ing nerd lol

[vulpix132]

Meh, I like Xbow, for the damage boost. But, it's all good. Some people like to tickle opponents to death. I'd rather take them out in a few hits. But hey, speed is nice too...:D

[deliccate]

oh, please!! archery's fun!! though expensive. you should try it sometime! i find it much more relaxing than on the gun range and less noise.

and a xbow (compound bow in real life) is nothing. just point and shot. no precision at all. but reg bow (recurve bow), you have room for adding more weight, easier adjustments to your equipment and it looks cool for cosplay for halloween. though in my neck of the woods, i'd get stopped by police if i walk do the street with it.

[x_Ace_x]

I like the regular bow because it is nigh impossible to kite effectively with the crossbow. I guess what matters most is preferance. If I liked relying on luck to kill the monster with my skills before it got to me, who knows, maybe I would have chosen the crossbow.

[Tsujin]

Rofl real life archer? wow ****ing nerd lol

I don't see anything wrong with archery....I used to shoot an occasional bow back in school, and it was fun. I don't choose a bow because of it, I just think the bow looks cooler, and my ZK Bow does every bit as much of dmg as a crossbow, but with faster atk speed. A ZK crossbow would be nice though.....

[NRGrush]

my build is of a typical skill spammer so i think it'd be best to get the most out of my sp by getting more damage so im gonna go with the xbow

i like the bow for its speed of course but if i have to use sp pots when fighting a boss it is more cost effective to do more damage with every skill therefore killing it faster and having to use less pots

(unless i find a bow that blows an xbow out of the water) but until then xbow is my choice

[Roxias]

oh, please!! archery's fun!! though expensive. you should try it sometime! i find it much more relaxing than on the gun range and less noise.

and a xbow (compound bow in real life) is nothing. just point and shot. no precision at all. but reg bow (recurve bow), you have room for adding more weight, easier adjustments to your equipment and it looks cool for cosplay for halloween. though in my neck of the woods, i'd get stopped by police if i walk do the street with it.
Well, you also have to take into account the plus mods on your bows. It sounds to me like your regular bow is +6 or more while you have a mere +3 Xbow. You cannot accurately compare the two unless they are the same plus mod.

Also, is it hard to upgrade bows in real life or do they break just as often?

[deliccate]

Also, is it hard to upgrade bows in real life or do they break just as often?

No, they don't break as often. the most hard part is having the money to purchase better limbs (bottom part and top part of a bow), sight (what u look through) and riser (the middle piece that you grip). Could lead u into the $1,000's if you want something top of the line. I know a guy that spent close to $500 for equipment. And he had to settle for a used "girls" equipment wit small defects, that's ultra light weight, meaning he's shooting ok, but distance-wise not so great because you need heavier limbs to shoot further. he could try to find heavier limbs for that riser but, he's better off saving for heavier equipment. http://i20.tinypic.com/2pydhmu.gif

[Roxias]

No, they don't break as often. the most hard part is having the money to purchase better limbs (bottom part and top part of a bow), sight (what u look through) and riser (the middle piece that you grip). Could lead u into the $1,000's if you want something top of the line. I know a guy that spent close to $500 for equipment. And he had to settle for a used "girls" equipment wit small defects, that's ultra light weight, meaning he's shooting ok, but distance-wise not so great because you need heavier limbs to shoot further. he could try to find heavier limbs for that riser but, he's better off saving for heavier equipment. http://i20.tinypic.com/2pydhmu.gif
So that means you used blessed elrues and not regular elrues correct? I wouldn't pay that much for regular elrues >_>.

[deliccate]

i believe ur response to my response is amusing...
http://i22.tinypic.com/ojdpcl.gif

[ngbt5525]

i have a lvl 20+6 xbow+9 cri xD,and my archer is on full spr,its got super critical xD,i love that,and i spam skill alot instead of shooting normal attack,so i would prefer Xbow.

[konataa]

Regular bow (RoumenBow)
would be a good decision in my 'opinion'

though the CrossBow has more DMG
The Regular bow can make over damage hits if the monster your attack allows it to take alot of hits
Crossbow has slower shots

Example:
Crossbow - Shoots in 5 seconds to kill monster - 120 DMG
Regular Bow- Shoots in 5 seconds to kill monster - 118 DMG

Now what if the monster has alot of Health?
Which bow will be better?

Crossbow - 10seconds to kill mosnter - 220 DMG
Regular Bow- 9seconds to kill monster - 255 DMG



You can get a crossbow for easy to kill, fast monsters
but when it reaches a stage where you have to shoot more arrows

The regular bow shines :]!

[Allnighte]

Regular bow (RoumenBow)
would be a good decision in my 'opinion'

though the CrossBow has more DMG
The Regular bow can make over damage hits if the monster your attack allows it to take alot of hits
Crossbow has slower shots

Example:
Crossbow - Shoots in 5 seconds to kill monster - 120 DMG
Regular Bow- Shoots in 5 seconds to kill monster - 118 DMG

Now what if the monster has alot of Health?
Which bow will be better?

Crossbow - 10seconds to kill mosnter - 220 DMG
Regular Bow- 9seconds to kill monster - 255 DMG



You can get a crossbow for easy to kill, fast monsters
but when it reaches a stage where you have to shoot more arrows

The regular bow shines :]!

so did you just pull those numbers out of thin air?
why don't you try doing some real calculations.

[RabidMage]

Bows are for normal shot archers..xbows are for SP archers(Skill archers)

[Allnighte]

Bows are for normal shot archers..xbows are for SP archers(Skill archers)

why do people keep saying this?

what proof do you have?

how is there any difference?

[midaoru]

tried both, the skill damage modifier is higher with the xbow coz the crit takes the highest calculable damage from the amount range given by your weapon.
the regular bow crits for about 210-250 with powershot while the xbow hits for 350-420. really big difference! and the attack speed is not taken into consideration because the skills are activated immediately after each other, barring the casting time. so the xbow unloads more damage per sec because of that one big chunk combo at the start. :)

[Game_Hermit]

as a real-life archer, i go for the regular bow. though I wouldn't mind trying a xbow just for fun but my hearts with the reg bow.
Also a real archer and i enjoy bows more, but speaking purely practically the x-bow wins hands down. They have much more power and they're easier to aim. They also don't make your arm feel like it's going to fall off after an hour of target practice.

[Game_Hermit]

oh, please!! archery's fun!! though expensive. you should try it sometime! i find it much more relaxing than on the gun range and less noise.

and a xbow (compound bow in real life) is nothing. just point and shot. no precision at all. but reg bow (recurve bow), you have room for adding more weight, easier adjustments to your equipment and it looks cool for cosplay for halloween. though in my neck of the woods, i'd get stopped by police if i walk do the street with it.

What are you even talking about? Compound bows have nothing to do with crossbows. A compound bow is a modern type of bow that uses pulleys and cams to augment the limbs. They typically have shorter limbs than old school bows. Compound bows are not to be confused with composite bows, which are different.

Crossbows are shaped like a cross. They have a rifle stock, although the ancient ones usually just had a stick. The top picture is a compound. The bottom picture is a crossbow. As you can see, they're completely different.

Compound bow
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2076/250pxcompoundbowfullef9.jpg

Crossbow
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5007/100515az8.jpg

A recurve got it's name because the limbs have one curve going one way and a second curve going the other way. Longbows only have one curve. Composite bows are often recurves. Recurves are more powerful than longbows, but have less accuracy. They also have natural let-off like a compound, but not as much.

Recurve
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/5620/armexolympicrecurveur4.jpg

Just thought i should clear that up for you. You sound extremely confused.

I shoot both compound bows and traditional recurves. I don't have the money for one of those fancy newschool recurves or a longbow at the moment, but i plan to pick one up when i get a chance. I've shot every kind of bow you can think of at some point. Archery is actually an olympic sport. To the guy who called us dorks, how many olympic sports do you play? Thought so...

No, they don't break as often. the most hard part is having the money to purchase better limbs (bottom part and top part of a bow), sight (what u look through) and riser (the middle piece that you grip). Could lead u into the $1,000's if you want something top of the line. I know a guy that spent close to $500 for equipment. And he had to settle for a used "girls" equipment wit small defects, that's ultra light weight, meaning he's shooting ok, but distance-wise not so great because you need heavier limbs to shoot further. he could try to find heavier limbs for that riser but, he's better off saving for heavier equipment. http://i20.tinypic.com/2pydhmu.gif

Yeah, it's a very expensive hobby. My custom black widow recurve costed around $2000 total. I don't remember the exact prices, but it was around $800-1000 for the bow and $300-400 for my other limbs. Then there was the hard case, arrows and all the other crap. When i got my compound i had the cost of the actual bow, which was around $600 and then i had the stabilizer, cable dampener, 2 different sights which i use in different circumstances, shelf extender and the corresponding overpriced carbon arrows, sling, release aid, limb saver, drop away rest and a load of other stuff. 99% of my life savings has been spent on my computer, bows and a tiny medieval weapon collection which at the moment is limited to 2 swords, a flail and a halberd. If you want to take up archery make sure you really want to. It can get very expensive very fast. You don't want to make that kind of investment and then decide you don't want it after all. Unless you're bill gates it'll probably take you a few years to get set up decently.

[warui]

i think it depends on your play style...

bow's are good if you wanna sit there and get hit by the mob and never run away while ur skills are on cooldown.

Xbows would be more useful to those that wanna run while they wait for skills to cooldown.

[Mahamaster]

i have x-bow cause i perfer power

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[magna93]

IMO, if you're unsure of which to choose, take the bow first, since u don't need to buy the Tier 3 Mastery yet, which is around lvl 25, and Tier 1 Xbow Mastery is lvl 20.

try it out, if you think it doesn't suit you, switch to a crossbow once you get one (Mara KQ, gift from friend o_o, whatever) or switch when u get to lvl 30.

at then, buy the tier 1 xbow mastery.

but, after that u realize that a bow would suit you better than the xbow, then switch back to your bow.

if you've bought the lvl 30 xbow, then probably you'll need to spend money to buy the lvl 30 bow.

just my 2 cents. this is what im gonna do.

[babykitt10]

Power over Speed...
I'll go for speed anytime
The higher your atck spd the higher the crit rate ryt?(needs calculation)

[Slayer1557]

I have conclusive evidence of whether xbows or bows are better.

Heres pros for each,
BOWS:Faster, Looks awesome when glowing
XBOWs:Vastly increased damage(TAKING ATTACK SPEED INTO ACCOUNT!!)

and there you have it. What? Not convinced? Here's my evidence. I wrote up a quick program in Java that would simulate any number of attacks I chose for both Xbow and bow.

I started with 10000/(attack speed of the bow or xbow) to determine how many hits each would do. Bow does 10000/1.1, or 9090 hits in that period. Xbow does 10000/1.4, or 7142 hits. So clearly the bow would get many more attacks.

For the first test, I assumed that neither Xbow or Bow would EVER miss, so in other words, this first test is 100% accuracy.

Now damage. I used a random number generator to randomize numbers to simulate the damage of unupgraded tier 4 bows and Xbows. These ranges are 119-169 for the bow and 232-302 for the xbow.

So now that damage is calculated, we determine the timely Critical hit. Another random generator to see if you hit the critical hit. 4% for the bow and 6% for the xbow is what I used. If the critical is hit, damage is doubled.

Then finally the damage is added to a running total of each weapon and displayed. Here are my findings:

With the above power for bow and Xbow, I found out that with 9090 hits for the bow and 7142 hits for the xbow the damage total are as follows(remember these values change slightly due to the random generator, but they are overall quite accurate)

Bow total damage of:1,423,053 Damage(That's 156 average damage per hit for 9090 hits)

Xbow total damage of:2,115,056 Damage(That's 296 average damage per hit for 7142 hits)

now remember when I said that this is if both bows and Xbows NEVER miss, so I added an extra test.

I couldn't calculate the accuracy the way the game does, because I dont know their formula, but I did another test that's just as good.

I made the bow 100% accurate again, but this time added a miss chance to the Xbow and ran the program, adding more miss chance each time to the xbow to figure out, "How much would you have to miss with the Xbow to even out the damage between the Bow and Xbow?"

You know what it came out to? 40% If the bow was 100% accurate and the Xbow missed 40%!!! of the time they would have approximately the same damage over time. Now I don't know about you, but I dont think the xbow misses THAT much.

There you have it! Conclusive evidence that the xbow is better for damage.(Although I'll admit the bow looks really cool glowing)

I still have the program and will post the code for it or run other tests upon request. JUST ASK!

[midaoru]

hahaha! nice, and you haven't even added the skill damage to the calculations yet. :) i'm glad i'm an xbow spammer.

[Allnighte]

Thanks slayer!
it's obvious: any time someone crunches the numbers, the xbow comes out on top. period.

/thread

[Lost_Sign]

bow if u have high good aim xbow if u have low aim lol recomend xbow more dmg higher aim and crit % ^^ ever tried "RS"? XD it is copied from a game called gunz and i transfered it here i think it has... some effect...shoot an arrow change to bow shoot again change to xbow tried it?

[Ratstomper]

I haven't gotten to play the game yet, but I've decided two things already. My first toon will be an Archer and he will use a regular bow. Regular bows just have a coolness factor that crossbows don't....

[midaoru]

i guess, but the coolness in the xbow is the damage... :D

[ihatepimples]

ok, i know this sounds messed up, but does anyone want to trade a regular bow for my crossbow?....i chose the wrong option from captain sean.....

PM me if you want to trade your level 20 bow (no buffs) for my level 20 crossbow (no buffs as well)

archer name: ihatepimples

ah yes....tnx for pointing that out.....server Teva....but its ok now....sold it off for 4.7k....decided to go longbow since i already put skill points in bow mastery....so what the heck, might as well go bow all the way

[Ridikule]

ok so here is the layout

Long Bow:
Faster attk
Higher aim

Crossbow:
Stronger attk
Higher Critical rate


After working with both, I have decided that the Xbow is better for dmg. yeah it shoots slower but when comparing dmg/sec. it's still better overall. I mean I like normal bows, I prefer normal bows just because of who I am, but Xbow is better for dmg

[Ridikule]

ok, i know this sounds messed up, but does anyone want to trade a regular bow for my crossbow?....i chose the wrong option from captain sean.....

PM me if you want to trade your level 20 bow (no buffs) for my level 20 crossbow (no buffs as well)

archer name: ihatepimples
you forgot to mention server.......that WOULD help

[Lost_Sign]

he's from Teva and long bow does not have higher aim crossbow have higher aim

[Azrial]

You guys have this seriously wrong. Simply, a str archer would go normal bow and a dex archer would go for xbow. This is since the faster firing rate of the normal bow is only worth it if you add the extra dmg from str on. Also crossbows have a lower accuracy so dex fits it fine. If you have neither str not dex, then you'd choose xbow. I am a 20 spr, the rest str archer and bow out damages xbow.

Those trying to simply look at the damage the bow says it has and then claiming xbow is better are way off. It's more effective to look at the damage that you do on mobs and calculate from there. At lvl 25, with a normal bow i was doing about 75, while with xbow i was doing 85.
BOW 75 * 13 = 975
XBOW 85 * 11 = 935
Off course this is as a str build and it does depend on what you're fighting. Also I haven't factored in crits, but just making you guys aware of a few simple facts.

Really it depends on your build, and the bows are pretty well balanced so there's not that much diff unlike maces and hammers. G'luck :)

P.S i don't know why people keep talking about skill spammers using xbow, and normal just using bow, etc. If you're a half decent archer you'll be spamming skills no matter what.

[Eliasj]

Crits aren't much of a difference in my opinion... you do 30 shots with a bow in 33 seconds, and you crit 5 times in 33 seconds. you do 30 shots with an xbow in 38 seconds, and you crit 8 times. Not so much better. And bows get repwyed with the speed and AIM :D

[Allnighte]

You guys have this seriously wrong. Simply, a str archer would go normal bow and a dex archer would go for xbow. This is since the faster firing rate of the normal bow is only worth it if you add the extra dmg from str on. Also crossbows have a lower accuracy so dex fits it fine. If you have neither str not dex, then you'd choose xbow. I am a 20 spr, the rest str archer and bow out damages xbow.

Those trying to simply look at the damage the bow says it has and then claiming xbow is better are way off. It's more effective to look at the damage that you do on mobs and calculate from there. At lvl 25, with a normal bow i was doing about 75, while with xbow i was doing 85.
BOW 75 * 13 = 975
XBOW 85 * 11 = 935
Off course this is as a str build and it does depend on what you're fighting. Also I haven't factored in crits, but just making you guys aware of a few simple facts.

Really it depends on your build, and the bows are pretty well balanced so there's not that much diff unlike maces and hammers. G'luck :)

P.S i don't know why people keep talking about skill spammers using xbow, and normal just using bow, etc. If you're a half decent archer you'll be spamming skills no matter what.
theoretically, *IF* the extra damage from STR points goes through armor, and *IF* the attack speeds are significantly different enough, then you *MAY* be right: putting the SAME amount of STR points into an xbow as well as a longbow *might* yield better results for the longbow.

however, I haven't seen any real proof that STR damage goes through armor and does exactly an amount of damage equal to however many points you have.
second, I don't know if the longbow shoots THAT much faster in order for the longbow to take the lead in terms of damage per second assuming STR damage goes through armor.
when you ignore crits (which favor xbows anyway), and compare the plain damage numbers, the xbow is *clearly* better.
i'm going to play some more and try to get some numbers. but i don't think the longbow is that much better than the xbow.
you have to remember that you have to give the xbow the same STR increases if you give it to the long bow too. it's not fair to give the longbow +30 STR, and then say it is better than +0 STR xbow. give the xbow +30 too and run the numbers.

by the way, what is this?:
BOW 75 * 13 = 975
XBOW 85 * 11 = 935
both bows were the same enhancement level? what was your build?
and what is the *11 and *13 for?
and you can't really use "abouts" here. please use real numbers

[Tsujin]

theoretically, *IF* the extra damage from STR points goes through armor, and *IF* the attack speeds are significantly different enough, then you *MAY* be right: putting the SAME amount of STR points into an xbow as well as a longbow *might* yield better results for the longbow.

however, I haven't seen any real proof that STR damage goes through armor and does exactly an amount of damage equal to however many points you have.
second, I don't know if the longbow shoots THAT much faster in order for the longbow to take the lead in terms of damage per second assuming STR damage goes through armor.
when you ignore crits (which favor xbows anyway), and compare the plain damage numbers, the xbow is *clearly* better.
i'm going to play some more and try to get some numbers. but i don't think the longbow is that much better than the xbow.
you have to remember that you have to give the xbow the same STR increases if you give it to the long bow too. it's not fair to give the longbow +30 STR, and then say it is better than +0 STR xbow. give the xbow +30 too and run the numbers.

by the way, what is this?:
BOW 75 * 13 = 975
XBOW 85 * 11 = 935
both bows were the same enhancement level? what was your build?
and what is the *11 and *13 for?
and you can't really use "abouts" here. please use real numbers

I think his math is off a bit, but I see what he's trying to say. Let's keep the numbers of the damage at 75 for the bow, and 85 for the xbow. I'll take this as true, I've experimented also and found that it's only 10-20 damage difference. This is with no +str or enhancements to the bow itself, just with a STR build. Now let's see how much damage they can do in 20 seconds.
Bows attack speed = 1.1sec so 20/1.1 = 18
XBows attack speed = 1.3sec so 20/1.3 = 15

Bows attack is 75 so 75*18 = 1350
Xbows damage is 85 so 85*15 = 1275

So with no criticals or using skills, a bow would outdamage an Xbow.

Now if the actual damage is 15 different then:

Bows attack is 75 so 75*18 = 1350
Xbows damage is 90 so 90*15 = 1350

So with no criticals or using skills, they are equal.

Now if the actual damage is 20 different then:

Bows attack is 75 so 75*18 = 1350
Xbows damage is 90 so 95*15 = 1425

So with no criticals or using skills or misses, an Xbow would outdamage a bow.

I'm not sure what the actual difference in damage is, but I'll do some tests on it tonight.
Aim is better with a bow, and criticals are better with an xbow. Aim isn't a problem with monsters of your level because of your naturally high dex, but with monsters much higher than you, you will miss, even with a power scroll. Of course, you will miss a little more with the xbow, but you will get a few more crits with it as well so that will make up for it. Skills will do more damage with a xbow. So, this is where people say that skill spammers should use an xbow, and normal attackers should use a bow.

The archer's main skills are DoT's though, and I'm not sure if aim actually helps with the success rate of a debuff, so if it is then I would say a bow is better.

I find that there isn't enough of a difference in the long run, so i use a bow because it looks cooler. =) It is also much easier to find a bow with a good +STR stat than an Xbow with a good +STR stat.(GGK XBow's usually give +1STR and Bows +16STR)

[Slayer1557]

As for the last post, using the damage differences to calculate the total damage, you have to understand, the tier 4 xbow had over twice the damage of the bow. You also migth now have taken bow mastery but not xbow mastery into account. Look at my Page 5 calculations for conclusive proof.

AS FOR PUTTING POINTS INTO STR
I ran my program again only this time I added 128 damage to each hit(assuming pure str) for both bow and Xbow.
The numbers I got are as follows(Remember this is for 9090 hits for the bow and 7142 hits for xbow)
Test 1: Bow with STR Damage
2479321.0
Test 1: Xbow with STR Damage
2930239.0
Test 1: XbowDamage/Bow Damage
1.1818715688690573
As you can see the XBow did 20% more damage

Comparison: Bow damage without STR bonus
1423784.0
Comparison: Xbow damage without STR bonus
2096877.0
Comparison: Xbowdamage/bowdamage without str bonus
1.4727493777145972
the xbow does 47% more damage over time than the bow without any points put into STR

MY CONCLUSION: Xbows are vastly superior to bows for archers without points into STR, however, Although bows do improve with the STR bonus, the XBow still outclasses the bow by 20%(As opposed to almost 50% without STR bonus)

FINAL NOTE: If someone can get the actual damage values Bow and XBow mastery 1-5 give, from a GM I can add that to the calculations. It would also be nice if someone could find me the exact amount of damage you get from the STR you naturally gain from levels. Is it the same as the bonus points or is it calculated differently. Go ask a GM and get back to me.

XBOWS ARE STILL BETTER THAN BOWS, IF YOU WANT TO PROVE ME WRONG BOW LOVERS, FIND ME MORE DATA.

[Tsujin]

I've done some test with the level 40 bow/xbow, and although the xbow has twice as much damage on the weapon, what it does to the mobs is different.
These are the numbers that I've recorded and what mobs they were on.
Goblin captain:
Bow = 99-109 Average = 104
Xbow = 113-125 Average = 117

Harken:
Bow = 96-103 Average = 99.5
Xbow = 109-119 Average = 114

Weakened Ogre:
Bow = 94-102 Average = 98
Xbow = 107-116 Average = 111.5
King Coll:
Bow = 93-99 Average = 96
Xbow = 105-113 Average = 109

Now, this is proof that even though the damage on the Xbow SAYS that it has twice the attack power, it doesn't do twice as much. I also said the Xbow had 1.3Attack speed before, my bad, it's 1.4. Now, I'll just run these numbers again with the average damage of the mobs and a time of 20 seconds.
Bow attacks in 20 Seconds approx=18
Xbow attacks in 20 Seconds approx=14
Goblin captain:
Bow = 104*18 = 1872
Xbow = 117*14 = 1638

Harken:
Bow = 99.5*18 = 1791
Xbow = 114*14 = 1596

Weakened Ogre:
Bow = 98*18 = 1764
Xbow = 111.5*14 = 1561

King Coll:
Bow = 96*18 = 1728
Xbow = 109*14 = 1526

I'm a level 41 archer, with Bow mastery and xbow mastery as high as I can get them yet. These are both level 40 weapons, with no enhancements, and with the same +STR. Now, this is without me adding in the extra crit, which with 2% more crit chance for the xbow, that is like one extra critical in 50 for the xbow, which would just double the damage for one hit. Now, if you use skills though, which most people do, the xbow will probably come out ahead, haven't done the numbers on those. But maybe now people will look at more than just what the numbers on the weapon say and look at what you actually do.

[Allnighte]

is that an accurate test? all red monsters have such high def and hp at your level that it reduces your damage down too much.
i'm in the ancient elven woods right now, and my xbow does 50 damage against mobs per shot. my poisons almost do more!

try the test against orange, yellow, and green mobs, and tell me what you get

[Tsujin]

is that an accurate test? all red monsters have such high def and hp at your level that it reduces your damage down too much.
i'm in the ancient elven woods right now, and my xbow does 50 damage against mobs per shot. my poisons almost do more!

try the test against orange, yellow, and green mobs, and tell me what you get
Very true, I'll do that.
Green mobs:
Ghost:
Bow =112-124 Avg = 118 118*18 =2124
Xbow=132-147 Avg = 139.5 139.5*14 = 1953
Hob:
Bow =109-120 Avg = 114.5 114.5*18 = 2061
XBow=131-142 Avg = 136.5 136.5*14 = 1911

Yellow mobs:
Bone Imp:
Bow =106-116 Avg = 111 111*18 = 1998
Xbow=124-136 Avg = 130 130*14 = 1820
Prock:
Bow =103-113 Avg =108 108*18 = 1994
Xbow=121-134 Avg = 127.5 127.5*14=1785
Earth Spider:
Bow =103-113 Avg = 108 108*18 = 1994
Xbow=121-134 Avg = 127.5 127.5*14=1785

Orange mobs:
Were bear:
Bow =94-102 Avg = 98 98*18 = 1764
Xbow=109-120 Avg = 114.5 114.5*14=1603
Sand Mushroom:
Bow =90-98 Avg = 94 94*18 = 1692
Xbow=104-115 Avg=109.5 109.5*14 = 1533

These are my findings, and even with green mobs, it will outdamage xbows without criticals, misses, or skills. Just a note, I don't miss anything that isn't red, even with the xbow.

[iCutte]

Well, if play critical base better choose bow. Otherwise crossbow damaging should choose.

[Allnighte]

Very true, I'll do that.
Green mobs:
Ghost:
Bow =112-124 Avg = 118 118*18 =2124
Xbow=132-147 Avg = 139.5 139.5*14 = 1953

Orange mobs:
Were bear:
Bow =94-102 Avg = 98 98*18 = 1764
Xbow=109-120 Avg = 114.5 114.5*14=1603

These are my findings, and even with green mobs, it will outdamage xbows without criticals, misses, or skills. Just a note, I don't miss anything that isn't red, even with the xbow.Thanks for the numbers (I assume you're being honest and using regular bows both of the same level, and not zombie king or goblin king bows, and you don't have a bunch of STR points)
however, it's not very accruate to just multiply the average damage by some number.
as the bows shoot at different rates, there are periods of time where one bow does more damage than the other, while maybe half a second later, the other bow does more damage.

i plugged your numbers for the green mob that i quoted, and simulated a non-critical non-missing experience:
diff
min diff
max seconds
0 0 0
0 0 0.1
0 0 0.2
0 0 0.3
0 0 0.4
0 0 0.5
0 0 0.6
0 0 0.7
0 0 0.8
0 0 0.9
0 0 1
-112 -124 1.1
-112 -124 1.2
-112 -124 1.3
20 23 1.4
20 23 1.5
20 23 1.6
20 23 1.7
20 23 1.8
20 23 1.9
20 23 2
20 23 2.1
-92 -101 2.2
-92 -101 2.3
-92 -101 2.4
-92 -101 2.5
-92 -101 2.6
-92 -101 2.7
40 46 2.8
40 46 2.9
40 46 3
40 46 3.1
40 46 3.2
-72 -78 3.3
-72 -78 3.4
-72 -78 3.5
-72 -78 3.6
-72 -78 3.7
-72 -78 3.8
-72 -78 3.9
-72 -78 4
-72 -78 4.1
60 69 4.2
60 69 4.3
-52 -55 4.4
-52 -55 4.5
-52 -55 4.6
-52 -55 4.7
-52 -55 4.8
-52 -55 4.9
-52 -55 5
-52 -55 5.1
-52 -55 5.2
-52 -55 5.3
-52 -55 5.4
-164 -179 5.5
-32 -32 5.6
-32 -32 5.7
-32 -32 5.8
-32 -32 5.9
-32 -32 6
-32 -32 6.1
-32 -32 6.2
-32 -32 6.3
-32 -32 6.4
-32 -32 6.5
-144 -156 6.6
-144 -156 6.7
-144 -156 6.8
-144 -156 6.9
-12 -9 7
-12 -9 7.1
-12 -9 7.2
-12 -9 7.3
-12 -9 7.4
-12 -9 7.5
-12 -9 7.6
-124 -133 7.7
-124 -133 7.8
-124 -133 7.9
-124 -133 8
-124 -133 8.1
-124 -133 8.2
-124 -133 8.3
8 14 8.4
8 14 8.5
8 14 8.6
8 14 8.7
-104 -110 8.8
-104 -110 8.9
-104 -110 9
-104 -110 9.1
-104 -110 9.2
-104 -110 9.3
-104 -110 9.4
-104 -110 9.5
-104 -110 9.6
-104 -110 9.7
28 37 9.8
-84 -87 9.9
...
-252 -261 30

at 9.8 seconds of firing both weapons is the last time that the xbow comes out on top (at 9.8 seconds, the xbow does between 28 and 37 more damage than the long bow. at 9.9 seconds, the long bow fires again, and from that point forward, the long bow always does more damage).
i put the difference at 30 seconds just to give an idea of how much more.

and then i added the crits (4% for the long bow to do 2x as much damage = 8% increase in average damage. 6% for the xbow to do 2x as much dmg = 12% increase in damage)
and now instead of taking 9.9 seconds, it takes 25 seconds for the longbow to completely surpass the xbow
the average damage difference between the xbow and long bow is 100 at 25 seconds, which isn't a lot when you think about it. but assuming all these numbers you gave me are typical and valid, and that the masteries don't give overly huge boosts to xbows, it looks like longbows are better

[laguiole]

I am selling my thunder roumen bow +5 and 7 % crit if somebody is interested

[Azrial]

Thanks for the numbers Tsujin. Maybe I didn't make my last post all that clear but you guys got the idea, and Tsujin has proved my point. I did say without taking skills and crits into account. And yes, it's 1.4 not 1.1 so I meant x 14 not x13 for my bows dmg. Lastly, I did also say there's not that much difference between the bows and it does come down to preference. BTW, the endurance on king xbows can be useful too :)

[hollysheet]

thunder roumen bow +5 and 7% critical? wat lvl then can use? haha... i didnt see that be4. offer? i'm now using ZK bow +14 str +4 int +12 spr. ^.^

[Cheralynn]

Wow, I've never seen more time taken into choosing weapons, but the numbers are nice for data gathering. Plus, I've learned something for Fiesta today~! *checks off list* Anywho, as a veteran skill spammer, I've decided to go with a crossbow... critical hits have always been a favorite of mine, as well as spirit using. =3 Thanks again for the numbers!

[JaYasha]

Its a simple decision really. Regular bows have tendency to have less attack power than cross bow. On the other hand crossbows have less shooting time. So in the end it just ends up to which bows you think are cooler. Also, I believe crossbows have a bit higher crit.% rate but that might just be me.

Personally I went with regular. I enjoy attacking faster. And crossbows just look too bulky for a small elf x.x

[MissusDolly]

I use a crossbow, but that is only because I've gotten them. I like to kill fast and since mines are enhanced always, I choose them for now. I want a bow, but can't afford a really nice one at the moment.
I like the look of bows better and the speed is some much nicer, but crossbows have nice damage to them.
It all falls back on the builds though in the end.
-Dolly

[BlazeLiberty]

I prefer the crossbow cause when you have so much range, then the small difference in the number of shots won't make too much of a difference so more damage and criticals help in the end. Besides, although the bow looks cooler when enhanced, the crossbow has really neat effects when you use spam skills. It's really your choice of what you see as 'your type of weapon'.

[Onikasu]

Well IMO Xbows and Bows speed is not that drastically noticable to say which one sucks or not. =/ but Xbow looks freakin A+, ans you get a wee bit of critical +'age so that what I got XD

[darknessprevails]

yes cross bows are better. in my oppinion bows look cooler. cross bows give more damage and have a higher critical rate for the same price as a bow. so word of advice, get a cross bow.

[darknessprevails]

hello. my name in the game is JASNH. i would like to know if anyone has found a bow thats stronger than a cross bow. please reply. it would be greatly appreciated.

[Ryoshin]

There will never be bows overpowering xbows, that's just unbalanced if it happens.

But, if you think about it technically...


Level 50 bow > Level 20 xbow.

[Overpass]

IMO i choose regular bows.. why?
The main reason is you dont have to buy more skills (Cross bow mastery) which is really cost you beside the weapons.

[Marron_Glace]

xbow is really much powerful than bows... but

bow looks really cool. i'd rather die beutiful

so i wud still go for bow

[darknessprevails]

There will never be bows overpowering xbows, that's just unbalanced if it happens.

But, if you think about it technically...


Level 50 bow > Level 20 xbow.
thanks for the info Ryoshin

[xieda3]

im a skill spammer, never tried kiting
i originally was going with the reg bow, but when i got a +6 xbow from a kq treasure box, i stayed with xbows
V look at siggy V