Is this a Xen Scam???????

[ihuang]

Yes. everyone want prices reduced but i dont trust anyone. Especially those who put on this xen reducing price movement. As the phrase goes, "the one person you can trust is yourself". Usually those people who want xens reduced the most are high lvls (60-higher). Im not saying that the people trying to reduce the price of xens are conartists. But it is pretty fishy, when you hear "Buying 40xens for 800k". I dont know, but i feel that there is a group of people united to take over all xens after it has been reduced. 40xens?? WHAT you must be rich. Due to 50/50 you will most likely have 20+ spread even amongst your gears. Im just saying that the people who say they sell 1 xen for 800k now buy 10 xens for that price later. After a couple of times, they will have 50-100xens which could be worth 25-50mil more. Then this issue repeat itself and all those who werent in get scammed. I know someone out there has over 140mil. Someone might even have 1bill. Who knows. Very big risk to take.

Suggestions- Start like Oct or Nov. No one can carry more then 10 xens in their account. (i know this seems unfair, but trust me 10 is enough to make sure you are not hogging or conning us). This might also cause xens to also be reduce if there is a hogger.

As for the pursuit of xen- the staff create a xen bag for the requirement(an accessory that could look cool???) In which these xens cannot be traded and after the xen bag goes bye bye, so do all your xens in the bag.

I find that i can sell xens for 1.3mil and are now told to sell them at 800k-1mil. That is .5-.3mil difference. Not going to do it and suggest many others who dont know anything to not do it until will have guarantee that this movement is not a scam.

Please offer suggestions to reduce the chance of a massive scam here. I know gms think that giving 400xens an event is a lot, but a lot of it goes into enhancing and thus leaves like 200 in the market which can be bought easily by rich aoers who make like 20mil a day.

PS - It is best to trust know one. Think about what i have said, but do not turn it into fact. NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED, NOT EVEN ME!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

[thrakx]

dude its not really so much od a scam as capitolism and free enterprise at work. Of COURSE you try and buy cheaper and sell higher- those are the principals of business- PROFIT.

[catry]

In order for me to get my current and next set of gears all to +4, I'm going to need at least 22 Xens, and that is considering that I don't xen my weapons. And that's just for one of my characters. I don't see why I can't start stocking up on Xens now so that I'll have plenty by the time I need to wear those gears, and now you tell me I shouldn't have more than 10 at a time? That would force people like me to buy xens, something I rarely do...so in fact I could see the price skyrocketing rather than falling.

[Muchiko]

Suggestions- Start like Oct or Nov. No one can carry more then 10 xens in their account. (i know this seems unfair, but trust me 10 is enough to make sure you are not hogging or conning us). This might also cause xens to also be reduce if there is a hogger.


Excuse me? o.O

I haven't bought a xen since..... since their price was like 500k max. And I haven't sold not even 1 xen since OB started.

So you are telling me that by SAVING the xens I gathered to use in my future gears I am hogging xens? So I cannot keep the amount of xens that I have at the moment because all people do is complain?

Wow... <.<

[Daft_Brat]

considering that there isn't a limited number of xens within the game....I don't see the point....

and as Thrakx said, it's not a scam...it's clever business management.

[Arkova]

When I was able to spend all day aoeing chant I did NOT make 20mil a day. lol
that would have been insane!!

[ihuang]

dude its not really so much od a scam as capitolism and free enterprise at work. Of COURSE you try and buy cheaper and sell higher- those are the principals of business- PROFIT.

I agree with you, it is not a scam if we keep xens the way they are and buy low, sell high. However, if the people leading this decrease in price xen movement by begging the gms to reduce the price of xen and then buying them all, it is a scam. But to argue that xens is too high and act nice by saying they are selling xen for 800k, then take advantage of this, it becomes a scam.
+ i see the people who are leading this movement are the ones who desperately want xens. Therefore they are going to take more then they give.

If i seem too harsh, im not. I support capitalism and say that although xen prices are a bit high, that life and we have to deal with it. although i see the price as too high, im not complaining that we lower it. Infact, i think higher xen prices benefits newbies. So im actually support newbies.

[ihuang]

Excuse me? o.O

I haven't bought a xen since..... since their price was like 500k max. And I haven't sold not even 1 xen since OB started.

So you are telling me that by SAVING the xens I gathered to use in my future gears I am hogging xens? So I cannot keep the amount of xens that I have at the moment because all people do is complain?

Wow... <.<

Dont get me wrong. I valuable those who invested in xens before the price increase. They were smart. People who kept their xens are smart. I respect these people. However, im only stating that if gms and others want to start reducing prices of xens to 1mil or less, we the people who have 0-10mil, want to know if people going to buying out all the xens of the now reduced price. This is what i call the scam. I value your effects in not buying xens and i dont think we should hold anything against people who buys xens for 1.5mil+. Im just trying to be others out so people dont sell xens too find out later they got tricked. There is no way to please both sides and something fair for one is unfair for another. I dont intend the price of xens to go back down, (infact i think the price of xens now helps with inflation). However too many people in this movement are just not trustworthy. Thus im offering suggestions in ways to if this is a scam, people dont get tricked.

[deoxys114]

This isn't life, this is an MMO. RL doesn't need to comply with this.

How does overly priced Xens support Newbies?

You can't say it is a scam. Why? Because when the GMs shout, "Xens are not worth more than 1 Mill. Please be courteous to the other players and sell them less than 1 Mill," it basically says, Why would a GM be scamming us? If you don't believe me, I have a screen shot of it. So I must say, your idea of 10 Xens total, is very far fetched.

[ihuang]

When I was able to spend all day aoeing chant I did NOT make 20mil a day. lol
that would have been insane!!

Lol, 20mil is crazy. However how much do you make an hour. Dont say less then 400k, because i make about that much and im only lvl 80. On average if you play for 6hours aoeing and make 1mil aoeing an hour, you will make 6mil a day. Quite a bit of money there. Enough to by you at least 4 xens which has never appear for me when i aoe.

[ggBuRNe]

I have 50+ xens, so does that means I'm a xen hogger?

I never sell any xen from the 1st day I played the game, I kept them and I used them to make my gears all +5 and +6.. In fact, I was the 1st mage who dare to enhance until +5 for all gears not just weapon and I had +7 from winning most of the previous events..

I spent a lot and I saved a lot and I NEED IT for next week update which includes new drop of gears and weapons..

[ihuang]

This isn't life, this is an MMO. RL doesn't need to comply with this.

How does overly priced Xens support Newbies?

You can't say it is a scam. Why? Because when the GMs shout, "Xens are not worth more than 1 Mill. Please be courteous to the other players and sell them less than 1 Mill," it basically says, Why would a GM be scamming us? If you don't believe me, I have a screen shot of it. So I must say, your idea of 10 Xens total, is very far fetched.

Even though gms have tried to reduce the price. It is still a free market. Therefore not everyone will obey. If for one day everyone sold their xen for let say 900k (not over priced and very reasonable). A person with 140mil buys 140xens. This completely wipes the xens from the market. If people see this, they will increase the price. Making it back to 1.5mil. 140xens x.6mil = 84mil gain. You dont see this as a scam. Im not saying to follow my methods, but to trust no one. However, im just saying what could happen. Those people fighting for reduce xens could be out there to make this huge massive profit. This is just theoretically, and i think this is what went wrong the first time. There are many rich people out there who can tip the balance in the market, but there are some out there with good will. If we reduce the number of xens they cannot make as much as they hoped.

As i find that when i was a newbie xens drop more often for me. So if a newbie luckily finds a xen they are 1.5mil richer or the current market (i sell for 1.3mil). When i was a newbie all i wanted was ywm. Lol! i can buy like 13-17 of those from one xen now. If xen reduce in prices then i can only buy few ywm or have less money for pots.

Ok people, im not argue that we reduce to limiting of xens. Im talking about people not scamming us.

[ihuang]

I have 50+ xens, so does that means I'm a xen hogger?

I never sell any xen from the 1st day I played the game, I kept them and I used them to make my gears all +5 and +6.. In fact, I was the 1st mage who dare to enhance until +5 for all gears not just weapon and I had +7 from winning most of the previous events..

I spent a lot and I saved a lot and I NEED IT for next week update which includes new drop of gears and weapons..

Actually you are one of the few people i respect. You know how this game works and probable the best wizard ever.:D
I have seen you in action during the Blind Leap.

Im merely talking about future xen hoggers who buy lots of xens for the reduced price. And wait for the value of xens to increase to the value now.
I respect all those who bought lots of xens the first time to increase xen prices. As the saying goes "fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me." What i dont have respect for is for those who want to reduce price of xen only to increase it again. Lots of money can be made from this idea.

[ggBuRNe]

Actually you are one of the few people i respect. You know how this game works and probable the best wizard ever.:D
I have seen you in action during the Blind Leap.

Thank you for the praise ;)

What i dont have respect for is for those who want to reduce price of xen only to increase it again. Lots of money can be made from this idea.

I hate this kind of people.. I remember someone back in few months ago buying xens for 700k, he bought a lot and selling them for 800k.. I think the GM can just set up a limit price for xen stone, not more than 1m in the vending box number..

[Arkova]

Lol, 20mil is crazy. However how much do you make an hour. Dont say less then 400k, because i make about that much and im only lvl 80. On average if you play for 6hours aoeing and make 1mil aoeing an hour, you will make 6mil a day. Quite a bit of money there. Enough to by you at least 4 xens which has never appear for me when i aoe.

waaaaa, what kind of drop steroids were you on? share plz!

Mabye because (I'm assuming you were aoeing a slightly lower level map) the drop rate was lower for me and higher for you?
Umm, or mabye if your a rogue your dodge helped reduce the amount of hp pots you had to spam for solo aoeing??

Eh, I dont know >.< but now I'm jealous. lol I don't think I was even making 6milz a day after 14 hours of constant solo aoe x_x

[justin_2006]

This isn't life, this is an MMO. RL doesn't need to comply with this.



THAAAANK YOUUU!!!
all this talk about inflation and economical issues..... such blabber ><



Suggestions- Start like Oct or Nov. No one can carry more then 10 xens in their account. (i know this seems unfair, but trust me 10 is enough to make sure you are not hogging or conning us). This might also cause xens to also be reduce if there is a hogger.



i cease to comprehend what u mean.... >.>
who would ever say they would buy 400xens for 800k??
and how would carrying more than 10 xens be a warning sign of a conartist... and how is there EVEN anyway for someone to "con" xen stones?? :X
im srry
but this is more annoying than the "theres a xen stone problem" threads :/

[justin_2006]

Im merely talking about future xen hoggers who buy lots of xens for the reduced price. And wait for the value of xens to increase to the value now.



oh and thats not scamming *srry for double posting :X*
thats, as thrakx stated, is being good with YO KRON!!! >:O



:)

[dylanangel]

I have 50+ xens, so does that means I'm a xen hogger?

I never sell any xen from the 1st day I played the game, I kept them and I used them to make my gears all +5 and +6.. In fact, I was the 1st mage who dare to enhance until +5 for all gears not just weapon and I had +7 from winning most of the previous events..

I spent a lot and I saved a lot and I NEED IT for next week update which includes new drop of gears and weapons..

Yes you are ;) Now gimme a xen :D

[ihuang]

oh and thats not scamming *srry for double posting :X*
thats, as thrakx stated, is being good with YO KRON!!! >:O

:)

The issues i want to address is that xen prices will eventually go up again after we have lower the price. If you dont believe me, then why are xens expensive now.
To prevent further even more arguments of xen price increasing, the problem does not lie in dropping the prices of xens which some many people want, but to stabilize it where it is now. 1.5mil is a lot of money. But due to inflation of the newer maps. xens could even go to 3mil. idk. Yes i believe in capitalism for the final time (being smart with your krons) however, if xens rise again and the people who said they want xen priced to be reduced, just to help increase it again--> THIS IS THE SCAM. (You make people feel guilty only to do the same later). It is like saying i what to help lower xens. Then when they are lowered, i buy them all and sell them for 1.5mil again MUHAHAHAHA. I like the idea, always good to know how people scam, so i dont get scam.

GM say that xens dont cost 1mill, however we are all greed and know they really cost at least 1.5mil (any1 who says they dont lies, who doesnt want to make that much or more). BIG INFLATION.

Like you said its only a game. People think in the same way, real or virtual. We just have to deal with xens prices increasing, we should not use some unnatural way to fix it. If you dont like the price, dont buy. SIMPLE as that. If people see that 1.5mil is not selling as well as they hoped, then the price might reduce. If it sells well, it increase. Problem is the will always be a few who buy those prices, so those people wait hours and days until that one person buys it.

PS: At this current state, price is too risky to invest in xens (because gms might actually fix it) if people dont believe me in problems after xen is reduced, and if the prices goes down im investing in xens. I dont use xens but as you said im spending my money wisely if it ever increase again (and if it doesnt, too bad for me). End of story.

[catry]

So your fix is to punish those who have wisely saved up their xens by forcing them to off-load what they've saved up and have no choice but to buy it from someone else when they need it? That's not going to make the prices go down; with demand like that prices will probably skyrocket because, as you said, of the greedy people.

[TRXSTA]

This isn't life, this is an MMO. RL doesn't need to comply with this.
An MMO. Played by real, live people. How does how people think and behave in real life and how they think and behave in a game differ? The same concepts apply. Seriously... this is just ignorance.

[Aclaus]

Well, i dont believe in capitalism :eek:

HAHAHA........ you decide if im joking or not XD

But seriously all this xen talk is getting boring just for the fact that ppl will say they want to lower prices and such, but not much will happen cause of how the economy is set up. And btw, rl economics can be applied into a game but there need to be tweaks to it. In sos, the problem is the money/kron pool increases a lot instead of circulating like rl money.

NO CIRCULATION WITHOUT ELIMINATION!
idk it sounded cool XD

[ihuang]

Well, i dont believe in capitalism :eek:

HAHAHA........ you decide if im joking or not XD

But seriously all this xen talk is getting boring just for the fact that ppl will say they want to lower prices and such, but not much will happen cause of how the economy is set up. And btw, rl economics can be applied into a game but there need to be tweaks to it. In sos, the problem is the money/kron pool increases a lot instead of circulating like rl money.

NO CIRCULATION WITHOUT ELIMINATION!
idk it sounded cool XD

I agree with you totally. That this game is starting to get boring. Too many people with too many free xens. I find learning about others in the forum alot more fun. Apparently half want this xen movement (which is good in theory, bad in practice) and the others want to keep it the way it is. People who want xens lower are just as greed as the people who want it higher. I know GMs are working so hard, too hard i think. Let economy fix itself. GMs are introducing too many xens. More xens = more depressed people if the xens fail.

[Zeltar]

It is all about business. return on investment, and hence the value people are willing to pay for xens. different people value defence differently, i know some people that have taken the time to make 3 incubators from the pet quest, giving 9def. each incubator is abour 20mill for 3 def. compared to that the price of a xen is dirt cheap.

everyone will want to be the best of the best, showing their money making skills by getting better enchanted equipment. if more xens are introduced into the game it'll just change the standard that people enchant to, now it's common for people to enchant to +4/6ap, with more xens people will just push it furthur, burning another 10xens per item to get to +6/6ap.

The ones who make the most money will be willing to pay the most for this opportunity to become the strongest. and due to the increadible inflation with large income from NPC sales, and the absence of sinks, it means that billions is flowing into the economy every day, meaning much more inflation.

there is always some fluctuations in a market, and some people are obviously making use of this to become the middle-man.

The solution to this is when the auction house coms out, removing the middle-man. so the price sellers that find xens will be the same price as the people who use the xens for enchanting.

[fjskl2442]

It is all about business. return on investment, and hence the value people are willing to pay for xens. different people value defence differently, i know some people that have taken the time to make 3 incubators from the pet quest, giving 9def. each incubator is abour 20mill for 3 def. compared to that the price of a xen is dirt cheap.

everyone will want to be the best of the best, showing their money making skills by getting better enchanted equipment. if more xens are introduced into the game it'll just change the standard that people enchant to, now it's common for people to enchant to +4/6ap, with more xens people will just push it furthur, burning another 10xens per item to get to +6/6ap.

The ones who make the most money will be willing to pay the most for this opportunity to become the strongest. and due to the increadible inflation with large income from NPC sales, and the absence of sinks, it means that billions is flowing into the economy every day, meaning much more inflation.

there is always some fluctuations in a market, and some people are obviously making use of this to become the middle-man.

The solution to this is when the auction house coms out, removing the middle-man. so the price sellers that find xens will be the same price as the people who use the xens for enchanting.

Actually the solution is to destroy the source of monetary inflation. I'll basically repeat what I said in the other thread here:

Think of it this way: compare your average kron intake per hour at the time xen stones were $300k to your current average kron intake per hour where xens are $1.2-1.4mill. If the growth in your income is proportionately greater than the nominal increase in xen prices, then this is representative of the underlying monetary inflation and an underlying DECREASE IN THE VALUE OF KRONS.

Hence the solution is to fix the source of this inflation...ie. the increased ease to get kron. In other words, the problem lies in the increase kron received from selling gears and books to NPCs. If the kron received from selling a lvl 60 item to the NPC is the same as the kron received from selling a lvl 101 item to the NPC, then this monetary inflationary might not be such a big problem anymore.

PS. I know dragging economics into this is boring but it's also true.

Here's a sneak peak at real life monetary inflation at work:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul354.html

The financial press reported last week that the value of the U.S. dollar plummeted to a 14-year low against the British pound, and weakened against the Euro and Yen. Many financial analysts predict continued rough times for the dollar in 2007, given reduced expectations for economic growth at home and less enthusiasm among foreign central banks for holding U.S. debt.

This decline in the value of the dollar is simple to explain. The dollar loses value as the direct result of the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury increasing the money supply. Inflation, as the late Milton Friedman explained, is always a monetary phenomenon. The federal government consistently wants to spend more than it can tax and borrow, so Congress turns to the Fed for help in covering the difference. The result is more dollars, both real and electronic – which means the value of every existing dollar goes down.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke faces two basic ongoing choices: raise interest rates to prop up the dollar, but risk pushing the economy into a recession; or lower interest rates to stimulate the economy, but risk further declines in the dollar. This unfortunate dilemma is inherent with a fiat currency, however.

Of course Mr. Bernanke inherited this tightrope act from his predecessor Alan Greenspan. The Federal Reserve did two things to artificially expand the economy during the Greenspan era. First, it relentlessly lowered interest rates whenever growth slowed. Interest rates should be set by the free market, with the availability of savings determining the cost of borrowing money. In a healthy market economy, more savings equals lower interest rates. When savings rates are low, capital dries up and the cost of borrowing increases.

However, when the Fed sets interest rates artificially low, the cost of borrowing becomes cheap. Individuals incur greater amounts of debt, while businesses overextend themselves and grow without real gains in productivity. The bubble bursts quickly once the credit dries up and the bills cannot be paid.

Second, the Fed steadily increased the monetary supply throughout the 1990s by printing money. Recent Fed numbers show double-digit annual increases in the M2 money supply. These new dollars may make Americans feel richer, but the net result of monetary inflation has to be the devaluation of savings and purchasing power.

The precipitous drop in the dollar shows how investors around the globe are very concerned about American deficits and debt. When government policies in a fiat system are the sole measure of a currency’s worth, the currency markets act as a reliable barometer of how those policies are viewed around the world. Politicians often manage to fool voters and the media, but they rarely fool the financial markets over time. When investors lack faith in the U.S. dollar, they really lack faith in the economic policies of the U.S. government.

[Zeltar]

Actually the solution is to destroy the source of monetary inflation. I'll basically repeat what I said in the other thread here:

Think of it this way: compare your average kron intake per hour at the time xen stones were $300k to your current average kron intake per hour where xens are $1.2-1.4mill. If the growth in your income is proportionately greater than the nominal increase in xen prices, then this is representative of the underlying monetary inflation and an underlying DECREASE IN THE VALUE OF KRONS.

Hence the solution is to fix the source of this inflation...ie. the increased ease to get kron. In other words, the problem lies in the increase kron received from selling gears and books to NPCs. If the kron received from selling a lvl 60 item to the NPC is the same as the kron received from selling a lvl 101 item to the NPC, then this monetary inflationary might not be such a big problem anymore.

PS. I know dragging economics into this is boring but it's also true.

yes, that is exactly it, I have been saying it many times for many months. it is just that we need to get the message through to all the people complaining, as there are many more factors involved. The simple fact is in a capitalistic economy everyone will have different purchasing power, the ones that farm hardest will have more and so get the goods.

The fact is that it is all about a free market economy, prices follow all the factors as already described earlier in this thread.

yes, people hoard xens, that is because of inflation, if there was no inflation then there wouldent be a point in hoarding xens. actually if there was deflation all the economists hoarding xens would instantly sell them all.

Finding sinks in the economy will slow down the inflation, so everyone will have less money in their pocket, xens will cost less. In the end the same will apply, that ability to pump gear will depend on who has the most purchasing power. Irrelevant on if xens cost 500k or 10mill due to inflation, isselevent on if xens are rare and people max enchant to +4/6ap, or if xens become common and everyone enchants to +6/6ap and the rich might attempt +7/6ap. Some will always have more purchasing power and so better gears, that’s how the game goes. Maybe we should forget about all this “fixing xen prices”, “xen boycot”, “increasing xen drop rate”, “NPC xens”, and look at how the economy can be balanced better, eg getting less money from selling items to NPC(which would increase item circulation), adding more sinks (the new pots should really cost 400kron to balance the income from extra healing), adding extra late-game items that people can only buy from the NPC, item repair costs etc.


BTW i love the real-life quote. this is all standard economics. with many factors affecting the game balance.
before people start complaining saying "ZOMG i'm too poor to afford a luxury item, please change the game" it is important to look at the far-reaching affects on the entire game.

[monday0829]

The solution to this is when the auction house coms out, removing the middle-man. so the price sellers that find xens will be the same price as the people who use the xens for enchanting.
Zeltar, what I interpreted from your last post is that the situation is
normal, and we are not able to do anything to correct the problems.

Your only answer to the problem is putting all the bets to the new
feature : in-game auctioning system. It is a big gamble and is not
guarantee to success (IMHO it will mostly fail again and will push Xens
to a new peak.) If what you said were true (not really) and we had
nothing to do with it, so does your auctioning dream. And the game -
you don't need the brain of Albert Einstein nor John Nash to figure out
- is done.

In very few words (to avoid a long theory), my answer is "put
the that +6/ap6 gears in the Armory!" This is, IMHO, the best solution.
That way we can just stop caring the prices of something that should
not be that expensive (Xen stones), and we can leave the collections
of Xen stones (which will not possibly cost a lot then) to the
enthusiasts who want to make +7/+8/ap6.

I think we most of the players - who cares about this - WILL NOT
mind rookies running with +6/ap6 full gears, just like we do welcome
others players / AOEers / PvPers with equal powers, and not very
likely ripping them off with full-of-overpriced-nonsense economy
like today, and we would possibly not fending off other people
and assuming exclusive rights to certain maps just for our owned
AOEing.

[monday0829]

yes, people hoard xens, that is because of inflation, if there was no inflation then there wouldent be a point in hoarding xens. actually if there was deflation all the economists hoarding xens would instantly sell them all.
Invalid point. The Xen hoarder will just stacking Xen stone indefinitely
until the next inflation.
Maybe we should forget about all this “fixing xen prices”, “xen boycot”, “increasing xen drop rate”, “NPC xens”, and look at how the economy can be balanced better, eg getting less money from selling items to NPC(which would increase item circulation), adding more sinks (the new pots should really cost 400kron to balance the income from extra healing), adding extra late-game items that people can only buy from the NPC, item repair costs etc.
Firstly, it is not a valid method to sink the economy. Second, it does
not help new~mid level players (it will exploit them in reality), it only
helps fixing the positions of those very high level "elite" players (such as
you), noblizing them and fending off other players. Third, the
value-added concept you suggested will eventually make the game too
complex for most of the gamers to play; and it definitely will crash the
already broken Xen economy.

An online game is to fulfill the player's dreams, isn't it ? Making a game
as complicated and realistic as you suggested will ruin it.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Finding sinks in the economy will slow down the inflation, so everyone will have less money in their pocket, xens will cost less. In the end the same will apply, that ability to pump gear will depend on who has the most purchasing power. Irrelevant on if xens cost 500k or 10mill due to inflation, isselevent on if xens are rare and people max enchant to +4/6ap, or if xens become common and everyone enchants to +6/6ap and the rich might attempt +7/6ap. Some will always have more purchasing power and so better gears, that’s how the game goes. Maybe we should forget about all this “fixing xen prices”, “xen boycot”, “increasing xen drop rate”, “NPC xens”, and look at how the economy can be balanced better, eg getting less money from selling items to NPC(which would increase item circulation), adding more sinks (the new pots should really cost 400kron to balance the income from extra healing), adding extra late-game items that people can only buy from the NPC, item repair costs etc.


BTW i love the real-life quote. this is all standard economics. with many factors affecting the game balance.
before people start complaining saying "ZOMG i'm too poor to afford a luxury item, please change the game" it is important to look at the far-reaching affects on the entire game.

I fear this 400 Krons fot the new pots, but what you said on this part is right, we should wait and see what happen.

I just check what i will need for my Templar, only two Xen Stone i need for now, so buying a lot of Xen Stone is useless in my advice, too risky.


An online game is to fulfill the player's dreams, isn't it ? Making a game as complicated and realistic as you suggested will ruin it.

Kinda true about this one. Also, it is kinda a game, not real life. There a difference beetwen these two term.

Will not post my character stats, will do a sig.

[ggBuRNe]

In very few words (to avoid a long theory), my answer is "put
the that +6/ap6 gears in the Armory!" This is, IMHO, the best solution.
That way we can just stop caring the prices of something that should
not be that expensive (Xen stones), and we can leave the collections
of Xen stones (which will not possibly cost a lot then) to the
enthusiasts who want to make +7/+8/ap6.

I think we most of the players - who cares about this - WILL NOT
mind rookies running with +6/ap6 full gears, just like we do welcome
others players / AOEers / PvPers with equal powers, and not very
likely ripping them off with full-of-overpriced-nonsense economy
like today, and we would possibly not fending off other people
and assuming exclusive rights to certain maps just for our owned
AOEing.

That's just stupid idea. That will allow many people to aoe and will promote more problems of hogging a map, shout this shout that, respawn dead and all those blah blah stated in the aoe problem threads. This idea is nonsense and it will never happen!! This will make the game looks ordinary and everybody will run away from this game..

EDIT: I welcome players with equal power but I don't welcome noobs in game with great gears or high levels and do not know how to play their character!!

[Zeltar]

The price of xen stones etc is just a symptom, the cause is the unbalanced flow of money from NPC causing inflation.

I say this all that i said independant of my in-game position, purely from a game developing balance issue, i have been professionally working with game development, and also have a firm understanding of economics, and after experiancing this game i would still suggest capping inflation, even if i was a poor new player.

the discussion on inflation caused me to think about solutions for inflation. could people please post their ideas for how to slow down the inflation in this thread:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1084486#post1084486

as for the idea on everyone having equal power, well that's impossible as long as there is a cash-shop with cloak of love and horror mask etc. also gainint power is the main motivation why many people grind for hours a day to get exp for levels, or farming for income for better equipment.

[monday0829]

That's just stupid idea. That will allow many people to aoe and will promote more problems of hogging a map, shout this shout that, respawn dead and all those blah blah stated in the aoe problem threads. This idea is nonsense and it will never happen!! This will make the game looks ordinary and everybody will run away from this game..

EDIT: I welcome players with equal power but I don't welcome noobs in game with great gears or high levels and do not know how to play their character!!
Making rookies AOEing maps is a lot better than making Xen price like
a rolling snowball. AVALANCHE, WATCH OUT!!

Some conspiracy theory suggested that some players do not want
others leveling too fast and enter their maps. So I prefer noobs
entering these area without breaking big money than that.

[monday0829]

The price of xen stones etc is just a symptom, the cause is the unbalanced flow of money from NPC causing inflation.

I say this all that i said independant of my in-game position, purely from a game developing balance issue, i have been professionally working with game development, and also have a firm understanding of economics, and after experiancing this game i would still suggest capping inflation, even if i was a poor new player.

the discussion on inflation caused me to think about solutions for inflation. could people please post their ideas for how to slow down the inflation in this thread:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1084486#post1084486

as for the idea on everyone having equal power, well that's impossible as long as there is a cash-shop with cloak of love and horror mask etc. also gainint power is the main motivation why many people grind for hours a day to get exp for levels, or farming for income for better equipment.
Read your new thread a bit, and I am not going to directly comment
on your original post. Seeing how your professional proposal ruins
a game is some sort of fun, at least we players have foots and can
leave anytime.

It seems that your professional experience make you tending to make
some simple things complicated, and to find ever more complicated
solutions. I believe there is always a simple solution to any problem,
and think that you must be uber tired deriving all that ideas all by
yourself. Why don't you go listen to more advice ?

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS ....

Zeltar, since your theories are usually exploiting lower level players,
and it is apparently you wanted to be above of some people. It is
completely beneficial to have a "noble" class people in a society. But,
in a modern society, a noble is more likely working as a Senator (fighting
for the sake of public), instead of a landlord type (who exploits the
public for his owned good more than protecting them.)

It looks very likely that your efforts will be rewarded by some sort,
most likely a noble status granting by Princess Adeline. It is very likely
that we must turn to be more respectful to you, then.

For a noble, it is very important to have a rightful title to call. We must
figure one now just in case Princess Adeline need to find one anytime.
With a title, you will be more reputed and have much more respects.

Let's say my suggestion. For IGN sijar, who apparently station in
Essene, we must relate the title with the city. For her remarkable
contribution to the game it must be specified. So I will suggest that
as :

Her Majesty Honourable Master of Exploitative Economics,
Lady Sijar, the Versatile Rogue of Essene

The title seems good, then. But there is one thing. It is too long. We
mere ordinary Xenians cannot memorize long titles very well, so there
must be a short form. So in short, we must call you, from now on, as

Lady Essene

At last, we must greatly appreciate your efforts to the games and
in the forum, since a long time ago and forgoing future, Lady Essene!

PS. As a rightful noble, we must have a statue for memorial, just like
a school name after a US president. It must be in Essence, and well,
renamed accordingly. It must be done in case Princess Adeline needs
it, too. So far I am still thinking about it...

[Zeltar]

Read your new thread a bit, and I am not going to directly comment
on your original post. Seeing how your professional proposal ruins
a game is some sort of fun, at least we players have foots and can
leave anytime.

It seems that your professional experience make you tending to make
some simple things complicated, and to find ever more complicated
solutions. I believe there is always a simple solution to any problem,
and think that you must be uber tired deriving all that ideas all by
yourself. Why don't you go listen to more advice ?

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS ....

Zeltar, since your theories are usually exploiting lower level players,
and it is apparently you wanted to be above of some people. It is
completely beneficial to have a "noble" class people in a society. But,
in a modern society, a noble is more likely working as a Senator (fighting
for the sake of public), instead of a landlord type (who exploits the
public for his owned good more than protecting them.)

It looks very likely that your efforts will be rewarded by some sort,
most likely a noble status granting by Princess Adeline. It is very likely
that we must turn to be more respectful to you, then.

For a noble, it is very important to have a rightful title to call. We must
figure one now just in case Princess Adeline need to find one anytime.
With a title, you will be more reputed and have much more respects.

Let's say my suggestion. For IGN sijar, who apparently station in
Essene, we must relate the title with the city. For her remarkable
contribution to the game it must be specified. So I will suggest that
as :

Her Majesty Honourable Master of Exploitative Economics,
Lady Sijar, the Versatile Rogue of Essene

The title seems good, then. But there is one thing. It is too long. We
mere ordinary Xenians cannot memorize long titles very well, so there
must be a short form. So in short, we must call you, from now on, as

Lady Essene

At last, we must greatly appreciate your efforts to the games and
in the forum, since a long time ago and forgoing future, Lady Essene!

PS. As a rightful noble, we must have a statue for memorial, just like
a school name after a US president. It must be in Essence, and well,
renamed accordingly. It must be done in case Princess Adeline needs
it, too. So far I am still thinking about it...

LOL, that's funny.

My appologies if you got the impression, i don't see any sort of class divide, the higher lvls are mostly friendly people, and love to chat to people around the market square, but that is offtopic.

I actually it works the other way around, it's the high-levels that absolutely need xens to level as on the later maps the mobs damage increases to a point that you can't AOE on a map where they don't run unless everything is enhanced. conversely it is the lower levels or people that can get by without xens that advantage most from these crazy prices. personally i'd love the prices to go down. though this is not a personal thing, but looking on the bigger scale at economic inflation and the intricate game balance.

it is clear from so many of these posts from a range of players that inflation is the contributing factor. a solution to inflation should be found that is fair to all players, irrespective of their level. that's why i opened up the brainstorming thread to get some ideas.

[Aclaus]

In very few words (to avoid a long theory), my answer is "put
the that +6/ap6 gears in the Armory!" This is, IMHO, the best solution.
That way we can just stop caring the prices of something that should
not be that expensive (Xen stones), and we can leave the collections
of Xen stones (which will not possibly cost a lot then) to the
enthusiasts who want to make +7/+8/ap6.

I think we most of the players - who cares about this - WILL NOT
mind rookies running with +6/ap6 full gears, just like we do welcome
others players / AOEers / PvPers with equal powers, and not very
likely ripping them off with full-of-overpriced-nonsense economy
like today, and we would possibly not fending off other people
and assuming exclusive rights to certain maps just for our owned
AOEing.

Personally i dont feel that rookies deserve +6/6 ap gears if they dont earn them. I have always enhanced my gears on my own and i feel accomplished when i get them to +4. Im not saying that ppl buying +6/6 ap gears dont deserve them, its just by the way you are wording it, you just want to give rookies +6/6 ap gears.

[BellaAnimorum]

Personally i dont feel that rookies deserve +6/6 ap gears if they dont earn them. I have always enhanced my gears on my own and i feel accomplished when i get them to +4. Im not saying that ppl buying +6/6 ap gears dont deserve them, its just by the way you are wording it, you just want to give rookies +6/6 ap gears.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
Anyone who knows me and what I stand for would know that THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR SO VERY LONG.
The very thought of some newb joining the game, and recieving priceless, hard to make items, and gaining levels like crazy because of boosts, makes me shudder... especially if those very people begin to develope egos, believing they are 'something special' or a class of their own.
Going out and earning the money to buy gears from higher levelled players is one thing, but making these incredible gears accessible to just anyone is, as Foger stated, stupid.

EDIT: High-powered gears have been, and always should be, a sign of hard work and dedication to the game, and never just a staple of it.

[catry]

In very few words (to avoid a long theory), my answer is "put
the that +6/ap6 gears in the Armory!" This is, IMHO, the best solution.
That way we can just stop caring the prices of something that should
not be that expensive (Xen stones), and we can leave the collections
of Xen stones (which will not possibly cost a lot then) to the
enthusiasts who want to make +7/+8/ap6.

I think we most of the players - who cares about this - WILL NOT
mind rookies running with +6/ap6 full gears, just like we do welcome
others players / AOEers / PvPers with equal powers, and not very
likely ripping them off with full-of-overpriced-nonsense economy
like today, and we would possibly not fending off other people
and assuming exclusive rights to certain maps just for our owned
AOEing.

The community is already touchy over AoE, people mobbing low level maps, people competing for AoE maps. This would just exasperate the situation and make it worse by allowing low-level KS'rs pwn maps like Loren and promote rampant mob-stealing and conflict. Not to mention this would seriously upset every player who actually WORKED for their +6 gears over the span of months, and allow players to rapidly level without ever learning how to play their class - as in hundreds of clerics who don't know how to heal, apps who don't know how to kite, neos who don't know when to use invisible, etc. Do you hate the community so much that you want to completely tear it apart like this?

[Aclaus]

I dont see how Sijar's ideas are communist......

The same capitalist governments limit the money supply to control inflation. It happens all the time.

[catry]

You know, why not, instead of requesting ridiculous ideas that would certainly **** off a large portion of the community...WHY NOT JUST ASK FOR A XEN DROP RATE INCREASE? AND MORE PURSUIT OF XEN EVENTS? Why must people overthink this whole stupid xen issue and try to divide the community even more as they go? =.=

And if Outspark actually implemented NPC Xen vendors and +6 gear vendors, that would be the ultimate insult to me. I have not played for SINCE DECEMBER building my gears and xen collection just to have it thrown in my face that someone can get to my level in 3 days because Outspark decided to let them be overpowered, and I'm sure a lot of people won't be happy either. If that really happens then I am done with Outspark, cashshop, etc.

Why are you so adamant that new players need to have uber gears? I got to level 72 WITHOUT EVER OWNING A SINGLE AP GEAR. The only AP I ever had was 6ap gloves I borrowed for a week. I know a scout who got to their high 70s without AP. NEW PLAYERS DO NOT NEED 200+ DEF. The point of being a new player is to learn how to handle yourself, and players are not going to learn particularly quickly if you have acolytes tanking pokus and dealing 200 damage T.T

[ARNOTA]

Yes. everyone want prices reduced but i dont trust anyone. Especially those who put on this xen reducing price movement. As the phrase goes, "the one person you can trust is yourself". Usually those people who want xens reduced the most are high lvls (60-higher). Im not saying that the people trying to reduce the price of xens are conartists. But it is pretty fishy, when you hear "Buying 40xens for 800k". I dont know, but i feel that there is a group of people united to take over all xens after it has been reduced. 40xens?? WHAT you must be rich. Due to 50/50 you will most likely have 20+ spread even amongst your gears. Im just saying that the people who say they sell 1 xen for 800k now buy 10 xens for that price later. After a couple of times, they will have 50-100xens which could be worth 25-50mil more. Then this issue repeat itself and all those who werent in get scammed. I know someone out there has over 140mil. Someone might even have 1bill. Who knows. Very big risk to take.

Suggestions- Start like Oct or Nov. No one can carry more then 10 xens in their account. (i know this seems unfair, but trust me 10 is enough to make sure you are not hogging or conning us). This might also cause xens to also be reduce if there is a hogger.

As for the pursuit of xen- the staff create a xen bag for the requirement(an accessory that could look cool???) In which these xens cannot be traded and after the xen bag goes bye bye, so do all your xens in the bag.

I find that i can sell xens for 1.3mil and are now told to sell them at 800k-1mil. That is .5-.3mil difference. Not going to do it and suggest many others who dont know anything to not do it until will have guarantee that this movement is not a scam.

Please offer suggestions to reduce the chance of a massive scam here. I know gms think that giving 400xens an event is a lot, but a lot of it goes into enhancing and thus leaves like 200 in the market which can be bought easily by rich aoers who make like 20mil a day.

PS - It is best to trust know one. Think about what i have said, but do not turn it into fact. NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED, NOT EVEN ME!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:


I am fairly confident in saying that i know no person that makes 20mil a day from aoe. altho i do know ppl that have over 100mil, but this took them many many months to get. But really in raising Xen prices everyone is affected bc when you are lvl 60+ you will need your gears and bc xen are expensive so will the gear you need. As for the thing about only 10 xen on an account that will never happen. Gms have even said its not against rules to have like over 100 xen!

[monday0829]

You know, why not, instead of requesting ridiculous ideas that would certainly **** off a large portion of the community...WHY NOT JUST ASK FOR A XEN DROP RATE INCREASE? AND MORE PURSUIT OF XEN EVENTS? Why must people overthink this whole stupid xen issue and try to divide the community even more as they go? =.=
Good question. By dropping Xen stones like pots will break the
definition of Xen being a rare item.

But there is no definition that Xen is strictly necessary for
weapon enhancing. I do not see a reason why the Blacksmith
should not work with Krons instead of Xen stones.
And if Outspark actually implemented NPC Xen vendors and +6 gear vendors, that would be the ultimate insult to me. I have not played for SINCE DECEMBER building my gears and xen collection just to have it thrown in my face that someone can get to my level in 3 days because Outspark decided to let them be overpowered, and I'm sure a lot of people won't be happy either. If that really happens then I am done with Outspark, cashshop, etc.
Follow your own pace, you do not need to compare with others.

Some are lucky enough to get a +6/ap6 with 8 Xen stones; sometimes
luck kicks in and you just have to farm again. So just be yourself
and just have fun with it.
Why are you so adamant that new players need to have uber gears? I got to level 72 WITHOUT EVER OWNING A SINGLE AP GEAR. The only AP I ever had was 6ap gloves I borrowed for a week. I know a scout who got to their high 70s without AP. NEW PLAYERS DO NOT NEED 200+ DEF. The point of being a new player is to learn how to handle yourself, and players are not going to learn particularly quickly if you have acolytes tanking pokus and dealing 200 damage T.T
So players have the options with their gears. When one can get
+6/6 gears they have more controls with Xenning, and it will
reduce most of the Xen stone demand. By reducing the demand,
even the more crazy enthusiasts have negotiating power against
the Xen sellers. At the moment, can you negotiate the prices
of Xen stones ? In fact, you do not have options now.

Since the gears have level restrictions, I do not worry that new
players at level 16 will have >50 defense, thus they will still
struggle in places like Mystra Hill, and they probably need a party
and learn.

[Julia1]

Just ignore monday.

He is the one that wanted to boost disciples to be over-powered, despite how the restof the community of more experianced players repetadly said that it would unbalance the game. he continued notlistening to others, turning threads into flame wars and eventually making them close.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105740
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102818
http://outspark.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1025351

obviously there he wasnot thinking about balance, biut getting everything made easier for him. we don't want more threads to go off-topic into a crazy flame war, so maybe the best way to deal with it is to simply ignore him(well it's fair if he doesn't listen to peoples reasoning) and just goon with an intelectual discussion.

[justin_2006]

......................................

sometimes i dont even feel as if this is a game.... especially when ppl talk about "xen prices" :/
hmmmm i think ill just ignore these kinda threads altogether :|

--edit--
but i, of course, dont think that ppl should be forced by no means to HAVE to sell xens after they gain a certain amount... and i dont believe that is a scam...
and about the xen prices, i mean if ur truely committed to trying to drop the prices why dont all u guys ACTUALLY sell them for the amount that u say they should be sold for??? ........

[TRXSTA]

Good question. By dropping Xen stones like pots will break the
definition of Xen being a rare item.

But there is no definition that Xen is strictly necessary for
weapon enhancing. I do not see a reason why the Blacksmith
should not work with Krons instead of Xen stones.
If you can do it with krons, why not just let Xen Stones drop like pots? They'd be just as useless anyway. -_-

Follow your own pace, you do not need to compare with others.... So just be yourself and just have fun with it.
Says the guy who was comparing level to other classes on the same map as him before creating his "disciples are underpowered" threads. -_-

[ihuang]

But really in raising Xen prices everyone is affected bc when you are lvl 60+ you will need your gears and bc xen are expensive so will the gear you need.

Is xenning really that important when you are lvl 60+. People have a hard time understand TIME ==MONEY. Suggestion, why not spend more time (5 more hours lvling) in an easier area compare to that of a difficult area. People complain the price of xen is too high, bc they dont want to spend the time and effort. If you want to save money, sit. This is how i began saving money as a newbie. Never asked for free pots in my life. People are forgetting how to play the game. To me, im only lvl 80, but i feel that this is so unfair to those that are 100+. They worked hard (months of dedication). A +4/6ap must have been something they treasured then. Now, i see that people dont respect the +4/6ap. They think it the average gear, for average people (sorry but not everyone gets these gears). If they cannot get it, they complain.

[ihuang]

I think we most of the players - who cares about this - WILL NOT
mind rookies running with +6/ap6 full gears, just like we do welcome
others players / AOEers / PvPers with equal powers, and not very
likely ripping them off with full-of-overpriced-nonsense economy
like today, and we would possibly not fending off other people
and assuming exclusive rights to certain maps just for our owned
AOEing.

I have problems with this
I dont mind if they find/bought all their xens and enhance them to +6/6ap. Congratz to them. However, receiving like 50 xens (im just saying in theory, like people making 20mil a day) from gms due to the current state in which gms are giving away loads of xens, then enhancing it to +6/6ap. That bothers me. Back then xens are consider luxury items. Now i have no idea WTH they are. If GMs give out thousands of xens a week, that is totally unfair for those who started months ago and achieved 100+.

[justin_2006]

If GMs give out thousands of xens a week, that is totally unfair for those who started months ago and achieved 100+.

at least it gives those who achieved 100+ without this "unfairness" more bragging rights....
but i mean if GM's are willing to let out xens in events at a mass number... then why not leap at the chance??? take advantage of it??? and i mean those higher lvled ppl go to the events to[well i would think so anyway]...

but ur sorta making it sound as if GMs just walk around handing newbies a load of xens...

[BellaAnimorum]

at least it gives those who achieved 100+ without this "unfairness" more bragging rights....
but i mean if GM's are willing to let out xens in events at a mass number... then why not leap at the chance??? take advantage of it??? and i mean those higher lvled ppl go to the events to[well i would think so anyway]...


Ok, first off, most of the people who achieved high levels months ago do not go around bragging about it. Word of mouth was enough. And to any of you who DID brag and boast about how 'super-duper-awesomelicious' you were... SHAME ON YOU! Who cares about bragging rights when there a more and more fools coming in crying about not being spoiled enough?

And about these events lately...
What about those of us who work? All the recent events have been at strangely earlier times. Just who, of all the players in SotS, are Outspark aiming at to get into these events? Most of the children are back at school during the event hours... and God knows if I tried to get off early to jump on the game and "get my share" of Xens, I would probably be fired! x_x
Seriously...

EDIT: Punctuation and grammar...

[monday0829]

Ok, first off, most of the people who achieved high levels months ago do not go around bragging about it. Word of mouth was enough. And to any of you who DID brag and boast about how 'super-duper-awesomelicious' you were... SHAME ON YOU! Who cares about bragging rights when there a more and more fools coming in crying about not being spoiled enough?
The senior players have good patience and excellent skills to go that
far, yet still they die a lot. This is ARPG X-game style requiring good
reflexes, used mostly when the players are not familiar with the games.

The current set of players are more careful and more strategic, and
have a better leveling speed and die fewer. I can say they know the
game much better than their seniors in the same level. This old-school
RPG playing style is not very shameful I think.

The problem is found just recently when we are exploited by the Xen
hoarder selling at a very high price. It is a real problem for both kinds
of players.

And about these events lately...
What about those of us who work? All the recent events have been at strangely earlier times.
Yeah.... not wisely done... The GM must do a better job next time..

[catry]

Wait, so are you saying that older players don't know how to play and die a lot?

I have not died once and lost XP in quite a while on any on my chars, high or low leveled.

Way to generalize us senior players as reckless and death-prone. Excuse us if we're the ones who set the standards that all those "more careful strategic" players are following.

Then again, I suppose wasting dozens of hp/mp pots and spending twice as long on levels by mobbing without an AoE move is very careful and strategic.

[legendaryJ]

i wish aoers made 20m a day >.>

[Aclaus]

The senior players have good patience and excellent skills to go that
far, yet still they die a lot. This is ARPG X-game style requiring good
reflexes, used mostly when the players are not familiar with the games.

The current set of players are more careful and more strategic, and
have a better leveling speed and die fewer. I can say they know the
game much better than their seniors in the same level. This old-school
RPG playing style is not very shameful I think.

The problem is found just recently when we are exploited by the Xen
hoarder selling at a very high price. It is a real problem for both kinds
of players.


Yeah.... not wisely done... The GM must do a better job next time..

I really have nothing to say to this post except ***!!!!!!!

Are you seriously suggesting that someone that started in June knows the game better than someone that started in December? That makes no sense. If anything it gives them a better since of understanding cause the person that has been in the game longer has witnessed its changes as apposed to some newbie who just goes along with what is happening at the time the person joins.

Wow, im horrible at conveying my ideas. Foger and Arnota said what i was trying to say,but did a way better job than me. So just look at their post. XD

[sa9i88]

I dont think lowering the prices of xens will solve anything,

but i believe lowering the drop rate of xens will.

[a-spec.evo]

nice thread..read the whole thing while maintenance was going on...very good discussion but im going 2 keep my mouth close appnd juss see wut haens with xen prices

[ggBuRNe]

The senior players have good patience and excellent skills to go that
far, yet still they die a lot. This is ARPG X-game style requiring good
reflexes, used mostly when the players are not familiar with the games.

The current set of players are more careful and more strategic, and
have a better leveling speed and die fewer. I can say they know the
game much better than their seniors in the same level. This old-school
RPG playing style is not very shameful I think.

The problem is found just recently when we are exploited by the Xen
hoarder selling at a very high price. It is a real problem for both kinds
of players.


Yeah.... not wisely done... The GM must do a better job next time..

You are just SUCK.. I saw many players who lvled too fast but they are still newb and some of them are noob.. They don't know their class well just like you do.. You better shut yourself for the good of the forum and the game..

[TheDarkSenshi]

>.>

Uh... there should be no limit to how many Xens you can have on you or in your storage. And yes, you can trust people on this game.... if you trust too easily then you'll be fooled by those who seek just that. This won't get too far so you know. Late.

[justin_2006]

Ok, first off, most of the people who achieved high levels months ago do not go around bragging about it. Word of mouth was enough. And to any of you who DID brag and boast about how 'super-duper-awesomelicious' you were... SHAME ON YOU! Who cares about bragging rights when there a more and more fools coming in crying about not being spoiled enough?

And about these events lately...
What about those of us who work? All the recent events have been at strangely earlier times. Just who, of all the players in SotS, are Outspark aiming at to get into these events? Most of the children are back at school during the event hours... and God knows if I tried to get off early to jump on the game and "get my share" of Xens, I would probably be fired! x_x
Seriously...

EDIT: Punctuation and grammar...

i cant say much on the event thing, but yeah ive seen or heard about ppl bragging[mid lvls and high lvls], and sadly a little bit of low lvls....
thats why i wish there was more of a storyline or something, the only thing that u can really focus on is grinding and getting the highest lvl.... *it doesnt now* but it use to sorta pressure me into training really hard :/

The senior players have good patience and excellent skills to go that
far, yet still they die a lot. This is ARPG X-game style requiring good
reflexes, used mostly when the players are not familiar with the games.

The current set of players are more careful and more strategic, and
have a better leveling speed and die fewer. I can say they know the
game much better than their seniors in the same level. This old-school
RPG playing style is not very shameful I think.


ummm the "seniors" in the game DO know more about the game than the newbies...
what do u mean by "old-school RPG playing style"?
and in a matter of being not used to the game, the newbies "flail around"[<---so to speak(in a matter of reflexes)] while the more conditioned players who have played more kno what skills they should use, when, and obviously how... they have played longer so they most likely have found out where to place their skills/items/etc. on the hotkey bar as to train more efficiently.... u definately shouldnt be so quick to say that newbies kno more[or can play better] than the higher lvls...

[ARNOTA]

The senior players have good patience and excellent skills to go that
far, yet still they die a lot. This is ARPG X-game style requiring good
reflexes, used mostly when the players are not familiar with the games.

The current set of players are more careful and more strategic, and
have a better leveling speed and die fewer. I can say they know the
game much better than their seniors in the same level. This old-school
RPG playing style is not very shameful I think.

The problem is found just recently when we are exploited by the Xen
hoarder selling at a very high price. It is a real problem for both kinds
of players.


Yeah.... not wisely done... The GM must do a better job next time..

Well the only reason the new players have better lvling speed than us "old players" is bc 2 reasons. 1 When we were first lvling up and stuff not all the maps were released i remember when Rud was the hardest map in game, and then when it was edine, i even remember when it was salem valley. Reason 2 there is a steady flow of good gear, which makes it lot easier to aoe. I remember when there was time when we had to find out own gear and xen it ourselves, we didnt get to buy it from ppl or borrow it from friends. As for more strategic no i would say they are less strategic they may be able to lvl fast but they know very little about things we old timers like to call "instincts" like how to handle situations. Thats why i see many new ppl dieing from reasons they shouldn't have. Also most of us never got to use boost the whole way for me boost didnt even come out tell i was like 6X

[kazuya-str]

Suggestions- Start like Oct or Nov. No one can carry more then 10 xens in their account. (i know this seems unfair, but trust me 10 is enough to make sure you are not hogging or conning us). This might also cause xens to also be reduce if there is a hogger.

...Hogging Xens? How is having 10 Xen Stones hogging? In fact, from what I see currently, the over priced Xen Stones I see are mostly from people who have at least only one or two. I also don't believe 10 Xen Stones are even enough because of the Enhancing rate. =\

The prices will in-fact sky rocket if people are forced to buy Xens because of the demand.

[Nights_Fang]

Yes. everyone want prices reduced but i dont trust anyone. Especially those who put on this xen reducing price movement. As the phrase goes, "the one person you can trust is yourself". Usually those people who want xens reduced the most are high lvls (60-higher). Im not saying that the people trying to reduce the price of xens are conartists. But it is pretty fishy, when you hear "Buying 40xens for 800k". I dont know, but i feel that there is a group of people united to take over all xens after it has been reduced. 40xens?? WHAT you must be rich. Due to 50/50 you will most likely have 20+ spread even amongst your gears. Im just saying that the people who say they sell 1 xen for 800k now buy 10 xens for that price later. After a couple of times, they will have 50-100xens which could be worth 25-50mil more. Then this issue repeat itself and all those who werent in get scammed. I know someone out there has over 140mil. Someone might even have 1bill. Who knows. Very big risk to take.

Suggestions- Start like Oct or Nov. No one can carry more then 10 xens in their account. (i know this seems unfair, but trust me 10 is enough to make sure you are not hogging or conning us). This might also cause xens to also be reduce if there is a hogger.

As for the pursuit of xen- the staff create a xen bag for the requirement(an accessory that could look cool???) In which these xens cannot be traded and after the xen bag goes bye bye, so do all your xens in the bag.

I find that i can sell xens for 1.3mil and are now told to sell them at 800k-1mil. That is .5-.3mil difference. Not going to do it and suggest many others who dont know anything to not do it until will have guarantee that this movement is not a scam.

Please offer suggestions to reduce the chance of a massive scam here. I know gms think that giving 400xens an event is a lot, but a lot of it goes into enhancing and thus leaves like 200 in the market which can be bought easily by rich aoers who make like 20mil a day.

PS - It is best to trust know one. Think about what i have said, but do not turn it into fact. NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED, NOT EVEN ME!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

Your idea does make some sense to me. Note: some. But truthfully I can't see any of it working either. As for those making hues and cries for lower Xen prices not all of them are the ones who'll turn around and raise the prices at the blink of an eye. Most of them do mean it for the better of the community, since logically if this Xen inflation continues, then every player who needs Xens will eventually go broke. Said happenening would cause them to overprice their gears once they sell them to recover some of the losses if not all. (I've seen this happen to two very close buddies who left this game.) This will of course lead to a further increase in Xen pricing, followed by a further increasing on the prices of gears. Said cycle continues, while the lower levels eventually level up and need these gears and/or Xens and would find that they're too kron poor to buy them. The gap between the rich players and the poorer ones would grow. Then we'd be spammed with even more threads on market prices. "LOWER THE DARN XEN PRICES!" "3MIL IS TOO MUCH!" 5MIL IS TOO MUCH!" "THE ECONOMY NEEDS TO STABALISE" Yada yada yada. La dee da dee dah. I have a headache, and need some Disprin. (Get my drift?)

Of course I'd like to point out at this moment of time, that most of these lower leveled Xen vendors I'd seen earlier would make an absolute whiny hue and cry on seeing moderately priced enhanced gears. (So you've sold around 8-10 Xens at 1 mil each and cannot afford a 500k priced sword?)

Also the "fishy part" of when you see someone shouting about buying 20-40 xens for any price. Do you actually believe any of them to be serious? If you do, then you're one of those people that have actually met the rare two or three people who mean it. Most of the players shout it off for the pure fun of it, just to see how many people spam them. And said jesters do say they were joking. Unless of course in all the shout spams that go on you missed that. I miss it too at times.

And if your Xen limit plan were to be implemented this would happen:
@ Stage 1: Anyone who had diligently saved these Xens, would be now forced to sell them. We'd have an entire load of them in the market and with everyone trying to get of all their excess Xens A.S.A.P the prices would logically plummet. Can you say Absolute Market Crash? Market crash =/= Good thing.
@ Stage 2: Once said luxury Item becomes a rarity once again, prices would start to skyrocket. Most likely to even more huger proportions. Stage 2 = Market inflation to all new levels.

Most of the people in the movement were simply calling for an eventual stability in the Xen market. It's like bargaining. When you want to buy something the seller will give you a hefty price, while you put out the Lowest price you'd be willing to pay. Eventually both of you would come to a compromise on how much the specific item would cost, that can benefit the both of you. The Movement was somewhat similar. When "The Movement" had started most of the players supporting it played when Xen prices were in the 350k-500K range. While the sellers were taking it to 1mil. Most of these players in the Movement still wanted to make sure that the seller (most of whom were rookies) got the most profit, just as long as the buyers didn't get ripped off. And let me tell you buyers were being ripped off.

So no in the end, no "The Movement" was not/is not a scam. It was just a call for more cost effective game prices so that even the poorer players can benefit. Yes I agree there will be abusers from time to time, but nothing is perfect. But this - at least in my opinion - was the closest we ever got to a good solution, is not a near perfect one.
[/end rant]

P.S.: Monday You still absolutely make no sense whatsoever to me. Whatever suggestions you've put forward, if ever implemented, would break the game balance a lot more than the cash shop ever did. Not to mention you tend to **** off the most of the players, inclusive of the so called needy lower levels you fight for, and some of the most sweetest tempered people playing this game, very easily. (The Latter I personally feel is a rare talent.)

[justin_2006]

wonder if xens will reach 5mill??

[Nights_Fang]

wonder if xens will reach 5mill??

If things keep going the way they are I'm sure it'll happen. And more likely sooner than later.

[justin_2006]

If things keep going the way they are I'm sure it'll happen. And more likely sooner than later.

lol, yeah im glad i dont buy xens :X

[Artanis.]

monday0829, monday0829, monday0829, tisk tisk tisk


Originally Posted by monday0829 http://www.outspark.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1087308#post1087308)
The senior players have good patience and excellent skills to go that
far, yet still they die a lot. This is ARPG X-game style requiring good
reflexes, used mostly when the players are not familiar with the games.

The current set of players are more careful and more strategic, and
have a better leveling speed and die fewer. I can say they know the
game much better than their seniors in the same level. This old-school
RPG playing style is not very shameful I think.

The problem is found just recently when we are exploited by the Xen
hoarder selling at a very high price. It is a real problem for both kinds
of players.


Yeah.... not wisely done... The GM must do a better job next time..


oke oke heres the funny part...I DIED 2x IN PHILLY 0x EDINE 1x LOREN
in total i can say actually i died 9 Times without counting the lags and the PVP deaths in the hole game up until im a lvl 72 Disc

I Died ZERO times from a Xenian up until lvl 54 Disciple Soloing as an acolyte always aswell as a disc and not DIED ONCE. Ive seen alot of Acolytes die tho i didnt die once, is it because im a senior player? no, Its experience.

I got my experience from alot of other RPG games from Tales to almost all the FF to S.Oceaan to Golden sun you name it battle network to Japanese Rpg's i coudnt read i played alot.

When I was a neo, my first class choice, I died alot, countless of times. And not because I dont have my Assist heal or my buffs. Why? cause I didnt knew the game that well because i havent bin playing that long. I didnt knew Invis would have a cooldown or I didnt knew what item i had to have to use that skill [transparant plant] I died because of so many simple things like forgotting to repot before i fight, standing outside the safezone while going afk. Going into area's where i shoudnt be at my lvl. Only trying to kill the hard hitters. I was fresh meat. I wasnt use to the game.

See it like this:
Playtime - not long equals = less experience
Playtime - Long equals = lots of gaming experience
How can seniors Die if they have that much gaming experience? really I'm not saying they cant die, tho I just dont see them Die at all, actually when im in higher lvl maps where im not supposed to be they help me out alot and even saving my *** while doing there aoe or killing.

"This old-school RPG playing style is not very shameful I think"
Devine Old school RPG... really this isnt old school RPG... old school is where we dont have internet, turnbased Pixelated non aoe non enhancing non vending non chatting non duoing non partying ... do i need to go further?

"yet still they die a lot" I so freaking hate this line cause I look up to alot of those senior players. I dont see them die i see them Kill, Owning. If they would die alot then idk how they got to there lvl i dont see the logic in it.

Actually alot of things I have to thank to the high lvl players because of there gaming experience at the time that i was a Noob Neo.

Edit: I actually still claim to be the noobest ^^
and im Sorry if this was way of topic i just had to say something.

[Artanis.]

Opinion Question: Do you guys feel irritated or feel that i doing wrong or helpfull or just stupid when I use Yellow eggs to scream out:

DONT BUY OVERPRICED XENS OR XENS OVER 1 MIL!!!
This was ~Rage~ reminding you all just in case you forgot

This is what i usually shout out as an reminder, well If you think im doing stupid by doing so please tell me so post your opinion xD

Edit: Finally got to read the first posts lol xD
20mil a day !?!?!?!? ***!?!?! XD lololoolol i dont see how anyone can get that much kron from monster drops at all. 20 Xen Dropes? 5 times +1+6p gear drops? they dont make 20 mil actually if they ever so lucky to have those drops. They need to sell it. But still 20 mil Oo omg

Edits again after reading alot: WAIT AM I ACTUALLY PART OF THE PROBLEM SHOUTING FOR LOWER XEN PRICES FOR ALL THE PLAYERS? i am starting to feel guilty TT well I for one have bought 1 xen and I sold my xens always lower then 1 mil and now i have to sell them at 800.000 because of my xen pledge.

WILL NOT
mind rookies running with +6/ap6 full gears, just like we do welcome
others players / AOEers / PvPers with equal powers
Buying +6+6ap gears from the armory in my opinion is stupid. I mean..no

Is xenning really that important when you are lvl 60+.
At lvl 51 squires can aoe, which means they need more defense and alot of them want to keep there drops to them selves so they will need to solo [no acolytes]. This will have to make them Xen there gear to aoe the mines or Beltarin or w/e. At lvl 66 Roques can do circle trap and Discs can do Chain Block. They need extra defense to aoe 2.

at least it gives those who achieved 100+ without this "unfairness" more bragging rights....
***!? I dont ever see any high lvl player brag whatsoever about anything. The once that brag are the lvl 50+ or the once turned scouts showing of there skills in mystra hill.

"Oh Yeah!? then what the hell are you doing in Mystra hill huh?! I saw you there admit it oO!!"
Correct I hang out in Mystra hill and Cyoren forest alot because i like to Assist heal all the players and inform them with information if they need any ^^

and because Its a free world? i like hanging out there to see lots of potential good players grow
...Also because im a noob xD
And a noob forum poster Oo so sorry if this is way of Topic T-T

[BellaAnimorum]

wonder if xens will reach 5mill??

It wouldn't be too shocking, but for the most part let's hope they don't reach original OBT costs (3-3.5 mill)...

EDIT: Punctuation.

[Nights_Fang]

Don't give people ideas now... >.>
<.<

[surge13]

lol no offense but i hope price goes up cuz im too noob to xen my gear so i sell all my xens

[SyneX]

omg, stfu. You support the inflation?
Who are you to make this game boring and the gears overpriced?
>: (
Better dont go to pvp D:<

And dont necro threads.

[techno-viking]

dude its not really so much od a scam as capitolism and free enterprise at work. Of COURSE you try and buy cheaper and sell higher- those are the principals of business- PROFIT.

yes, human GREED, something which outspark should have a moral obligation to stop at all costs.

[ARNOTA]

WTH are we bringing back threads that were not posted in for 2 months for?

[heavenzcloud]

Necro'ed! here comes Dylan with the closed thread hammer! Watch Out!