Are you happy with the XEN price?

[tankofinsanity]

Are you happy with the XEN price?

XEN price- love it, hate it, it's always a big issue

As you may know GM_Cretz has been trying to lower the XEN price in the last few weeks, and although XEN price is still on an average of 1.3mil ATM, the price has actually dropped from a recorded high of 1.5mil

So what do you have to say about the XEN price?
(no aggresive verbal attacks please, peaceful discussion)

Is Cretz doing a good job?
Are those who fight to lower XEN price on the wrong track?
And if you want to lower the XEN price, what is your reasonable solution?
Lastly is this poll biased? and why is it biased?

Again I cannot stress this enough, keep the thread peaceful
Treat this issue like a possible imbalance in a virtual online game

[Nights_Fang]

Um where's the poll? ._.

Edit: Never mind. See it now.

[tankofinsanity]

Um where's the poll? ._.

sorry it takes a second to show up =D

and hi nights fang, I really enjoy reading your comments in forum =D

respectful, thoughtful, straight to the point with a bit of humor =3

[Nights_Fang]

Ah Thank you. ^^

[justin_2006]

there should be a choice of "neutral" or something like that...

like i dont hate or like it...
i just sell for how much they go for or whatever ><
and i dont buy them so i dont care either way lol :X

[monday0829]

Are you happy with the XEN price?
No, I don't.

XEN price- love it, hate it, it's always a big issue
As you may know GM_Cretz has been trying to lower the XEN price in the last few weeks, and although XEN price is still on an average of 1.3mil ATM, the price has actually dropped from a recorded high of 1.5mil
So what do you have to say about the XEN price?
(no aggresive verbal attacks please, peaceful discussion)
Is Cretz doing a good job?
Cretz do certainly make a shot, and it caused the Xen price
to rise more (it is a short-term action-reaction effects,when
Cretz gave away a number of Xen stones, the market did
some adjustment to balance the speculated price drop; the
price will drop eventually if .....) However, when Xen stones
can not be circulated in the market (it will be drained by the NPC
at last), the Xen stone prices did not drop.
Are those who fight to lower XEN price on the wrong track?
I cannot answer this question accurately.

From my owned observations and others' comment, it is quite
certain that the Xen stone market are manipulated by some
sellers (who hoarding the items, acquiring them from sellers who
have a lower price tag, join the Xen stone events frequently,
etc.)

It was suggested that Xen inflation is caused by money supply
inflation. It may be true, at the beginning, that some people had
a lot of money and suddenly they can spend them on something.
But in long-term, many players have to raise money
for purchasing Xen stones, making the opposite stand - the Xen
inflation causes monetary inflation, and thus inflation in general.

If a market can be manipulated by such degree, and the game's
free market mechanism fails to adjust it, it is the problem of the
game, which has an exploit for that manipulation.

It is a very complicated problem for this exploit in SotS (including
most of the game's basic features...) I can conclude that we get
the prices of Xen stones today because of the game itself.

Therefore, IMHO your SC movement is going to a correct direction.
If the game itself make you frustrated, forcing yourselves to pay
for it (like paying ransoms) do not do any good. We need some
movements like that and the Cartel to push the developers.

Do not think that it is some sort of threatening to the game
company. Since you are frustrated players, you simply protect
yourselves (by leaving, stop paying value-added services, etc.)
It just likes the relations of the citizens and the police - if the
police fails to do their job to keep the orders, we will just stop
relying on them and protect us ourselves.
And if you want to lower the XEN price, what is your reasonable solution?
Lastly is this poll biased? and why is it biased?
+6/6ap gears in NPC seller - so we can change gears more
frequently. Simple and effective.

Kron enhancing. As this is a game, I expect reward from hard
-working.

Xen NPC store is also good, but we will be more happy to see
Xen stones remain as its original definition (rare items.)

[deoxys114]

Am I happy with the Xen prices? Well, it depends. I see ppl selling at 1.2 Mill, I say hell no. I have never bought a Xen before. I always sell mine at 800k. Fair enough?

Cretz is doing a great job. Enough said.

I also don't care how it turns out, since I don't buy Xens anyways.

[TRXSTA]

I believe I owe you an apology, lnfern0. Unlike most others who go after the price of Xen Stones, you can stay unbiased, and while I believe I am doing the same... my diction in your other thread has not shown it.

Honestly, relative to the amount of krons in play - and its increase every day, for Xen Stone prices to lower naturally, the only answer, in my opinion, is more sinks; we need more ways to remove money from the economy than just pots.

(And the new pots don't even do that because they have a better heal-to-weight and a better heal-to-kron ratio than the old pots. I know mages will complain the most here but I don't believe that has to do with the cost of the pots as much as I believe it has to do with the amount of their MP consumption. But I suppose I'll save it for another thread.)

[Farashimisanoob]

No!! It's unfair!!!
Equality for all!! OBAMA '08!!!!!

[BellaAnimorum]

I voted "I don't care" because it seems to me that the majority of people complaining about are those who want more for less.
So lame, go out and grind and earn a little dedication and patience.
Heck, you might thank yourself in the long-run.

[chris_1334]

In all honesty it's not outsparks fault that the prices are being raised. It's the players faults. Also if you would stop complaining and actuly do something about it then maybe the prices might change, and to add on what varn said if you go out an farm for xens and obtain the majority of xens and monopolize the market you can then fix the xen price to what ever you want. Pricing is all about monopolizing the market to some extent.

[thrakx]

No!! It's unfair!!!
Equality for all!! OBAMA '08!!!!!

this is a funny post hahahaha

[TheCretz]

No!! It's unfair!!!
Equality for all!! OBAMA '08!!!!!

This post gave me a good laugh...

Thank you for making polls such as these, as it really helps me gauge how I'm doing and how we, Outspark, are doing to keep you guys happy :) Regarding the Xen price, I've been actively working on it w/ our developers in recent weeks and we're working on a more permanent solution to implement in the future.

So far, we are looking at having Xen Stones drop at a much higher rate in dungeons and other methods of enhancing armor and weapons in the future. In the meantime, it's really a tough balance between providing the market with more Xen Stones from GM Events and not completely shocking it into a severe inflation. Just rest assured that I'm working on it as we speak and I'll let you all know if I hear anything.

[deoxys114]

Woot! Thxs for the info Cretz. You rock!

[tengokuken]

Like Cretz said, this post make me laugh XD! As the wave of player goes to lvl 60 and over, people wants xen so badly that people compete each other! How many time did i hear

''Buying xen, whisper offer'' then someone else says
''Buying xen stone for 900k'' then someone else says
''Buying xen stone for 1m... ''

Beside, instead of saying ''xen should be worth 800k'', what they really mean is that '' I want a xen for 800k''. There is a difference between need and want!
Xen are luxury, not a necessity, deal with it!

Oh and I think Gm should stay out (no offense) of it since this is a in game market problem, not cause of game malfunction!

[tankofinsanity]

This post gave me a good laugh...

Thank you for making polls such as these, as it really helps me gauge how I'm doing and how we, Outspark, are doing to keep you guys happy :) Regarding the Xen price, I've been actively working on it w/ our developers in recent weeks and we're working on a more permanent solution to implement in the future.

So far, we are looking at having Xen Stones drop at a much higher rate in dungeons and other methods of enhancing armor and weapons in the future. In the meantime, it's really a tough balance between providing the market with more Xen Stones from GM Events and not completely shocking it into a severe inflation. Just rest assured that I'm working on it as we speak and I'll let you all know if I hear anything.
OMG it's Cretz =D

*tackle hugz Cretz

and YAAAY for XEN dungeon XXDDD
you must made my day =]

[TRXSTA]

Regarding the Xen price, I've been actively working on it w/ our developers in recent weeks and we're working on a more permanent solution to implement in the future.
So despite just 26% of the poll unhappy with Xen Stone prices and wanting GM intervention, it's going to happen anyway? I'm glad you guys are striving to do what you feel you need to and I know you guys have good intentions, but there are actual game flaws that need to be addressed that I'm sure 100% of those voting would want fixed. I just don't believe forcing your influence on the market is the correct decision.

But at least you're showing you care. I'm a glass half full kinda guy. ;)

[wildswing]

I'm happy with the prices, but not with the supply. Before when you scream buying xens @ 1m each, people will counteroffer with 1.3-1.5m, fine. But now, not a single message, no xens around.

[shp4656]

FERNIE

Hey !! Guildie XD

I'm ok with the xen price, but I really hate xen failure.. Because xen stones fail, people look for more (demand increases, so does the price). I mean, how can giving out more xen stones as event prizes possible decrease the price??? I bet 80% of those xens will fail XD And those "merchants" will still overprice their xen stones and sit there for days until desperate aoers will buy them.. Come on, they've been giving out xen stones for quite a while and we don't see any changes in xen stone prices.

If there was a "perfect" xen stone, meaning no chance of failure, I wouldn't mind paying 1+ mil for it... hey wth, I'd even pay 2 mil !!! GMs gotta do something about the xen failure, its really frustrating... Recently, Ive been trying to upgrade +3 gloves and 6 xen stones failed in a row... my gloves are still +3.. im losing interest in this game... not that anyone would care....

[tankofinsanity]

So despite just 26% of the poll unhappy with Xen Stone prices and wanting GM intervention, it's going to happen anyway? I'm glad you guys are striving to do what you feel you need to and I know you guys have good intentions, but there are actual game flaws that need to be addressed that I'm sure 100% of those voting would want fixed. I just don't believe forcing your influence on the market is the correct decision.

But at least you're showing you care. I'm a glass half full kinda guy. ;)


You say 26%, I say the most voted choice

face it, community wants XEN stones

GM_Cretz FTW!!!!11!!11oneoneeleven

[TRXSTA]

You say 26%, I say the most voted choice

face it, community wants XEN stones
Most voted doesn't make it the majority. 26% is 26%. (Yes, I'm aware that it's up to 38% now.)

[tankofinsanity]

Most voted doesn't make it the majority. 26% is 26%. (Yes, I'm aware that it's up to 38% now.)

LOOOLz you cannot count "I dont care about XEN price" and "this poll is biased" in the yes/no votes

they are there so I will know if I made a good poll or not

there are a total of 27 votes directly on the issue of whether GM interference is good or not

There are 3 people who say they are happy with the price but they want events that drop XEN

and there are 13 people who say they are unhappy with the price and they want reform

that's a total of 16/27 players

meaning

at least 59.3% of the community supports what Cretz is doing now

Not to mention "I am not happy with the XEN price, but it's not GM's obligation to fix it" is not necessary saying they disagree with what Cretz is doing.

[Julia1]

You say 26%, I say the most voted choice

face it, community wants XEN stones

GM_Cretz FTW!!!!11!!11oneoneeleven

what is the difference between:
I am unhappy with XEN price, but I do not believe Outsparks is obligated to fix it
and
I am unhappy with XEN price, but I do not believe Outsparks should interfer

They are actually the same thing. if you are looking for the majoraty of votes then i would say this would be biased, as there are multiple similat options for "No", while there is only one option collecting all the "Yes" votes.

There is only one option (5th) that is saying that it should be fixed. while the rest are just different wordings of "GM's should not interfere" and "i don't care"

So at the moment if you add together all the votes from the voting options saying that GM's/OS should not interfere then option 5 is in the minority.

You should have made this multiple choice, i would probably have voted for option 2,3,4,6 & 7.

[tankofinsanity]

what is the difference between:
I am unhappy with XEN price, but I do not believe Outsparks is obligated to fix it
and
I am unhappy with XEN price, but I do not believe Outsparks should interfer

They are actually the same thing. if you are looking for the majoraty of votes then i would say this would be biased, as there are multiple similat options for "No", while there is only one option collecting all the "Yes" votes.

There is only one option (5th) that is saying that it should be fixed. while the rest are just different wordings of "GM's should not interfere" and "i don't care"

So at the moment if you add together all the votes from the voting options saying that GM's/OS should not interfere then option 5 is in the minority.

Those two are actually very different

There have been arguments that DNC is the main company behind SOTS, so GM, being a representative of outsparks and not DNC, cannot interfer with the XEN situation because they are powerless to do so

and there are arguments that even IF GMs can influence the XEN situation, they should not do so, because XEN is a free market, and since the price have been set by the players, they should be fixed by the players

and minority? not really..
7+3+2=12 votes
and option 5 alone has 13 votes

[TRXSTA]

LOOOLz you cannot count "I dont care about XEN price" and "this poll is biased" in the yes/no votes

they are there so I will know if I made a good poll or not

there are a total of 27 votes directly on the issue of whether GM interference is good or not
If they don't care about Xen Stone prices... they obviously aren't unhappy about them, correct? Point taken on the biased vote. Subtract three from the total votes.

There are 3 people who say they are happy with the price but they want events that drop XEN
How do you justify equating them being okay with lower prices to them wanting more Xen dropping events? I voted for that option and I wouldn't have if I thought you would interpret it so incorrectly.

and there are 13 people who say they are unhappy with the price and they want reform

that's a total of 16/27 players

meaning

at least 59.3% of the community supports what Cretz is doing now
Wrong answer. No part marks for this question, unfortunately. 13/33 is the correct answer (39%).

Not to mention "I am not happy with the XEN price, but it's not GM's obligation to fix it" is not necessary saying they disagree with what Cretz is doing.
Okay, but what it does say very clearly is that... they don't think it's the GM's responsibility to mess with the market. Look up "obligated" in the dictionary.

(And it's 13/34 now, so back to 38%.)

[Julia1]

if you want evaluate it by majoraty:
you should have made a 2 option poll, should OS/GM/DNC do anything about it. Yes/No

Otherwise you should have made it multiple choice if people see more than one of the above options suitable.

at this moment you are using a common method of trying to rig voting processes by trying to spread out opposing votes to your idea between many similar options.

As TRX pointed out, if you add up all the people not wanting the GM/OS/DNC to interfere together then the majoraty want it left alone.


Anyway, hypothetically speaking, even if people would want a change, it wouldent necisarily mean it's the best option.
it's like asking if we want the government to give everyone in the world a $1000 check every month, (unlike the government the game NPCs have infinute supply of kron), all this money would come from the reserve bank printing more money.

I'm sure a lot of people would say they would love a bonus $1000 check every month, though not realizing that in the process of creating the extra income it will drive inflation through the roof and sink the value of the US doller to nothing.... hey actually that's what just happened, america is now stuffed because the reserve bank has been printing money like crazy and driven the dollar to the floor.

The opposure also applies, if the government(OS) decides that the reserve bank will reduce printing money to the level that they take back old money(sinks), then they won't be giving out as much, people won't have that nice paycheck, the sinks will limit the rate of accumliating wealth, and people might feel poorer, but then the value of the currency would increase, and the economy would be better, and the currency worth more, and in reality they won't be poorer.

so yes people can stamp their feet saying we want more xens/money, but even so the best decision might not be what the protesters are calling for, but what is best for the entire economic balance.

[tankofinsanity]

How do you justify equating them being okay with lower prices to them wanting more Xen dropping events? I voted for that option and I wouldn't have if I thought you would interpret it so incorrectly.

o.O

sorry, I guess the wording is not clear

but I really thought you would vote for the first choice, since that choice was inspired by what you said lolz

and let's look at the big photo, us arguing about these few % does not really mean that much

however I am curious... you wanted lower xen price?
so if it's not more xen events
how do you intent to lower the xen price?

[tankofinsanity]

Anyway, hypothetically speaking, even if people would want a change, it wouldent necisarily mean it's the best option.
it's like asking if we want the government to give everyone in the world a $1000 check every month, (unlike the government the game NPCs have infinute supply of kron), all this money would come from the reserve bank printing more money.


I do believe that outspark can limit the event xen drop so it does not create totally deflation

and realistically speaking, this is not the government, it's a game

and XEN stone is not oil, it is a game item

and GMs are not presidents, they are gamers just like you and me, hence the name "game" master

I am, as a gamer, pointing out an imbalance in an item in a game, to another gamer.

I am asking you, a community of gamers, to judge whether or not such problem exist

so... what I am trying to say is... chill, it's a game >__>

Outspark is being led by top men with degrees
so even if all of us voted for number 5
raining XEN stone will not happen

[TRXSTA]

I do believe that outspark can limit the event xen drop so it does not create totally deflation

and realistically speaking, this is not the government, it's a game

and XEN stone is not oil, it is a game item

and GMs are not presidents, they are gamers just like you and me, hence the name "game" master

I am, as a gamer, pointing out an imbalance in an item in a game, to another gamer.
Still a perfectly valid analogy. In essence, that's what you're asking for; you're asking for a big deposit into the accounts of those that can pay the SC and have the time to attend the Pursuit of Xen you want scheduled. So actually, I guess it's not a perfect anology; the money would only be finding its way into the pockets of the already wealthy.

however I am curious... you wanted lower xen price?
so if it's not more xen events
how do you intent to lower the xen price?
No, I don't want them, but they would be welcomed. If they aren't any lower, I could care less but who doesn't want cheaper, right? If anything, like I've said in every single thread that I had the energy to respond to... economy sinks. It wouldn't actually lower prices in relation to other goods, but if the actual, nominal value of the Xen Stone was lower... then we'd have less "Xen Stones are outrageously priced" threads. Handing them out like candy will seriously do nothing to lower prices at all.

(Unless they went as far as to make them drop from everything all the time... but then everyone would be going for the currently unattainable +10/6ap. And probably demanding we be able to Xen gears to +20 or something. o_o )

[tankofinsanity]

Still a perfectly valid analogy. In essence, that's what you're asking for; you're asking for a big deposit into the accounts of those that can pay the SC and have the time to attend the Pursuit of Xen you want scheduled. So actually, I guess it's not a perfect anology; the money would only be finding its way into the pockets of the already wealthy.


No, I don't want them, but they would be welcomed. If they aren't any lower, I could care less but who doesn't want cheaper, right? If anything, like I've said in every single thread that I had the energy to respond to... economy sinks. It wouldn't actually lower prices in relation to other goods, but if the actual, nominal value of the Xen Stone was lower... then we'd have less "Xen Stones are outrageously priced" threads. Handing them out like candy will seriously do nothing to lower prices at all.

(Unless they went as far as to make them drop from everything all the time... but then everyone would be going for the currently unattainable +10/6ap. And probably demanding we be able to Xen gears to +20 or something. o_o )
Actually from what this game is going, we might not have to worry about XEN at all soon

in XENEPIC they have super items you cannot xen, and they are the equivalent of +5/6ap that only drop from insane bosses I heard

and they have special powers also, like increase speed attack and give stats and stuff

and what Cretz is saying about other ways to enhance is also very interesting

well any kind of change is welcomed, since I enjoy change =3

(vote for obama, those who can vote DDX)

[TRXSTA]

Actually from what this game is going, we might not have to worry about XEN at all soon

in XENEPIC they have super items you cannot xen, and they are the equivalent of +5/6ap that only drop from insane bosses I heard
I don't mind that... as long as they can't be traded...

The Xen Stone better not not matter at all (double negative!) in the future. That would be too drastic a change in the game - both in gameplay and in the economy.

[BloodLimit]

This game can easily fix it with the Auction House content, with sinks in the economy along with player manipulation in the AH click to understand a little more about it Click Here (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109485)

[tankofinsanity]

I don't mind that... as long as they can't be traded...

The Xen Stone better not not matter at all (double negative!) in the future. That would be too drastic a change in the game - both in gameplay and in the economy.

well Xenepic is pretty much SOTS's future

and in Xenepic, xens dont matter anymore D=

but realistically speaking that will take months, perhaps years for SOTS to do

btw pursuit of xen next week on thursday

[tankofinsanity]

This game can easily fix it with the Auction House content, with sinks in the economy along with player manipulation in the AH click to understand a little more about it Click Here (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109485)

commented in it, and it's a great idea =]

[tankofinsanity]

*pops up*

bump

[foxmasterd]

No one is.

Unless the community decides together about the Xen price, nothing will change.
Stop whining about it.

[Hilux]

To those who have said xen prices are nothing like oil prices, I believe you are wrong. We have in both cases a limited commodity desired by the entire population. If you gave the US 1000 barrels of oil for free (equivalent of Pursuit of Xen) you only solve the crisis for a short time. The oil (xens) are used up and you’re back to square one. So, we either need to raise the supply (increase drop rate of xens– alternate energy sources for oil) or lower demand (stop aoe – stop driving). I for one am NEVER going to stop driving and I am sure many knights and rogues will never stop aoeing. Therefore, only an increase in supply will solve this issue.
Having the community itself lower the price is meaningless. Take for example, if you lower prices to 800k, 500k or whatever, soon you will have EVERYONE xenning things – a lvl 16 apprentice could be walking around with +5 gear (I know this, because when xens were cheap – 300k- I used them on lvl 35 gear without a care). Keep this up for a few weeks and the xens WILL run out at the current drop rate which exactly what has happened. Then you have a handful of people with something everyone wants and they can freely charge whatever they want for it. Cretz is right to do something about this and he should receive our full support. If something is not done, i promise you they will peak 2mill in a few months.
Only the wealthy can afford xens because they are rare, this is the same reason very few people drive Ferraris. The community CANNOT fix this problem unless you are willing to give up your aoe lifestyle.
Are you?

[Sannin1010]

jesus.... i used to see xens for 500k
EVEN 300!!!!!!!
buhhdadam........ n mostuv the time tehy dont even WORK
it think the reason y prices raised is because.. people started selling
them for a little higher then normal price.. the sold
then a little higher....... kept on rising...
until BAM 1.5mil...
we need to start the low selling xen trend o.o

[monday0829]

I have the feeling that some of the players, who would sell their Xen stones some
time ago, hold back when they see the continuous rising of the Xen stone prices.
It is a good idea to start stacking Xens for their owned use (when they find
themselves needing Xen stone, the worst thing is that they must buy them for
much higher cost than their selling price.)

Maybe the Xen stone seller have one more reason to keep their insane price high.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Very true about this, i haven't buy Xen Stone since few weeks now, if i find one i used them for Xening my Gears

[RikanKhaos]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....all people do is complain about xen prices. We have tried countless times to get them lowered but because of people's greed in getting their hands on them they are willing to pay any price for the precious thing. I think that poll is a bunch of bs. First of all gms or outspark don't have to do jack. You should be thankful that they are concern(or fed up with your constant nag that you have created on the price). Now stop nagging and complaining its pathetic. You have created the issue not the people that work for the server. I'm so fed up with you people saying give us xens prices are insane. Until you people stop paying crazy prices the market of xens will hold stronger than ever. And i do believe that gms should stop persuits and giving us xens like it's a luxury. Grow up and deal with the problem the community has caused and let the gms get to their actual tittle so we can have more updates on the game and also fix the bugs form the updates. Deal with the problem and stop the moanin.

[BloodLimit]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....all people do is complain about xen prices. We have tried countless times to get them lowered but because of people's greed in getting their hands on them they are willing to pay any price for the precious thing. I think that poll is a bunch of bs. First of all gms or outspark don't have to do jack. You should be thankful that they are concern(or fed up with your constant nag that you have created on the price). Now stop nagging and complaining its pathetic. You have created the issue not the people that work for the server. I'm so fed up with you people saying give us xens prices are insane. Until you people stop paying crazy prices the market of xens will hold stronger than ever. And i do believe that gms should stop persuits and giving us xens like it's a luxury. Grow up and deal with the problem the community has caused and let the gms get to their actual tittle so we can have more updates on the game and also fix the bugs form the updates. Deal with the problem and stop the moanin.

All i can say is...

Thunder cats Hooooooooooooo!

(You've said it all.)

[Hilux]

let the gms get to their actual tittle so we can have more updates on the game and also fix the bugs form the updates.

This the most intellegent thing I have ever heard Rikan say.

If I was to pick a battle against Outspark, this would be it. However, time and time again we will hear "the gm's can't fix things ect... only the developers can." Somewhere in the chain of command there is a link between the GM's and Outspark, Outspark and DNC. The answers we get sound so politically empty. "We're working on it" "Its in the process" this kind of crap is what gets alot of people angry becuase it seems like they don't think we are capable to comprehend the real issues or we are not worth the trouble to fully explain.

If DNC does not want to give us updates for whatever reason - say it!

If Outspark does not have enough staff to fix what they have the authority to fix - hire more staff, I am sure there are many players who would be honored to help make this game better.

If any of the above companies don't think we're worth the trouble - say that.

People would complain less about the xen prices if they had something new to do, new maps, mazes, gear enchanting systems and so on. (I am aware we just recieved new maps but it took many months longer than it should have).

This is a great game and I wish to see it progress further, but not when I'm 30 years old.

[RikanKhaos]

This is a great game and I wish to see it progress further, but not when I'm 30 years old.

I couldn't agree more with you. But at the same time it all takes time. And the game is more populated than it ever has been when i started playing and so comes with more demands and needs. On their share it can be overwhelming trying to provide us with our needs. We also need to have a little patience because we are a community of the entire world compared to us they are just a hand full. But I can also understand that the growth of the game is too much and their isn't enough maps, xens, equipment, etc. We are just growing faster than what they can provide our needs with.

[LOKI90aj]

The xen price is horrendous. But I've tolerated seeing 1.~ mil prices. To the point of not really caring - besides the fact that there are no equipment really worth "xenifying" in the earlier levels. I found a xen stone once and sold it to someone who shouted for one for much higher for 500k. There's no complicated system going on there - I also read the Xen Movement thread earlier, so maybe that's why I didn't accept the higher offer.

Is Cretz doing a good job? I don't know much about GM Cretz and haven't witnessed anything so I have no opinion. Also, a question, can GMs control the price of xen that players are putting on their trading cp?

Are those who fight to lower XEN price on the wrong track? No. They are doing what seems right to them. Now if you mean whether or not they are doing badly, yeah, a bit.

And if you want to lower the XEN price, what is your reasonable solution? Have mass players sell xen for less than 1 mil? .-. I wouldn't buy any xen. I'd only sell. I guess that makes me one of the revolution party :3

Lastly is this poll biased? and why is it biased? No.

[kazuya-str]

The xen price is horrendous. But I've tolerated seeing 1.~ mil prices. To the point of not really caring - besides the fact that there are no equipment really worth "xenifying" in the earlier levels. I found a xen stone once and sold it to someone who shouted for one for much higher for 500k. There's no complicated system going on there - I also read the Xen Movement thread earlier, so maybe that's why I didn't accept the higher offer.

Is Cretz doing a good job? I don't know much about GM Cretz and haven't witnessed anything so I have no opinion. Also, a question, can GMs control the price of xen that players are putting on their trading cp?

Are those who fight to lower XEN price on the wrong track? No. They are doing what seems right to them. Now if you mean whether or not they are doing badly, yeah, a bit.

And if you want to lower the XEN price, what is your reasonable solution? Have mass players sell xen for less than 1 mil? .-. I wouldn't buy any xen. I'd only sell. I guess that makes me one of the revolution party :3

Lastly is this poll biased? and why is it biased? No.

Cretz is doing all he can to lower the Xen Prices and that's why there have been more Xen Prizes from events to lower them down.
For some really dumb reason, the prices went up again.


My only suggestion is to stop buying Xen Prices over 1 mill.
No matter how desperate you are, do NOT buy any, it is only supporting the idea it's okay to buy them at high prices. If no one buys any, they'll have no choice but to reduce the price. I really can't complain at all if I see recent shouts saying: "buying xen 1.2 mill". =/
So, please stop buying overpriced Xens rather than telling people to reduce the price. =/ But this was only my point of view on Economy.

Btw the anyone whoever did, the GMs have nothing to do with the Xen Pricing so please don't blame them. They actually don't have to do anything to change the problem because the Xen Prices are an internal community problem. It sort of like... expecting (not asking) someone to sharpen your pencil for you whom you don't really know at all.

Ugggh... I'm so slacking. I just had to reply.

[BellaAnimorum]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....all people do is complain about xen prices. We have tried countless times to get them lowered but because of people's greed in getting their hands on them they are willing to pay any price for the precious thing. I think that poll is a bunch of bs. First of all gms or outspark don't have to do jack. You should be thankful that they are concern(or fed up with your constant nag that you have created on the price). Now stop nagging and complaining its pathetic. You have created the issue not the people that work for the server. I'm so fed up with you people saying give us xens prices are insane. Until you people stop paying crazy prices the market of xens will hold stronger than ever. And i do believe that gms should stop persuits and giving us xens like it's a luxury. Grow up and deal with the problem the community has caused and let the gms get to their actual tittle so we can have more updates on the game and also fix the bugs form the updates. Deal with the problem and stop the moanin.

I couldn't agree more with you. But at the same time it all takes time. And the game is more populated than it ever has been when i started playing and so comes with more demands and needs. On their share it can be overwhelming trying to provide us with our needs. We also need to have a little patience because we are a community of the entire world compared to us they are just a hand full. But I can also understand that the growth of the game is too much and their isn't enough maps, xens, equipment, etc. We are just growing faster than what they can provide our needs with.

Who are you, and what have you done with RikanKhaos??? LOL!
Seriously though, you are correct. The community is swelling ever more, while the game expands only a little at a time. It is like an old worn down levy trying to hold back constant unending rainwaters. Only a matter of time until...

In any case, it is envy and jealousy that makes the Xen prices go through the roof.
People want what others have at any cost. Plain and simple.

[tankofinsanity]

more and more people are happy with xen now =D

the unhappy/demand change count dropped from 40% to 37%

[BellaAnimorum]

more and more people are happy with xen now =D

the unhappy/demand change count dropped from 40% to 37%

Haha, and 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot. :p

[Hilux]

Personally, I have not seen a "natural" xen drop in more than 2 months. Now maybe this is just me as I know there are people who aoe more frequently - but since joining in March, I have only found 8 xens (of which 3 worked). That seems like a pretty pathetic drop rate. How is the drop rate caculated? Is there a set amount in the game engine (ie. 1000 xens at any time) that fluxuates based on blacksmith thievery? Or is it all individual lvl dependant?

[burner6969]

also if ppl would stop buying xen at a low price and boost up the price. maybe the price of xen would drop and the game would be better. also make the blacksmith better so he don't eat as much

[inipatchuy]

The Xens prices are crazy.:eek::eek::eek:I had like 2 outta whole game they should only be like 500,000.For the people tht reached lvl 136
and want to actully make their armor +6/6ap thts why the prices need
to be low.;););)You could just make xens drop more often but not in the areas though lvls 10-25.Tht would be more fair.Im not onna waste anymore of youer time p to the eace

[foxmasterd]

OH my GOD,
I thought this thread had DIED.

[Deviot_Aviot]

Dx Foxxxxxxxxx i wanna be son of Alastor too Q.Q

[xxemokidxx_666]

what are the prices of xen in both severs i remember them as 1.5mill thats when i quite for a few months i think they should get no less then 800k and no more then 1.3mill bc there really hard to find.

[poochyenarulez]

what are the prices of xen in both severs i remember them as 1.5mill thats when i quite for a few months i think they should get no less then 800k and no more then 1.3mill bc there really hard to find.

reason they cost so much, is cause people have more kron now~
if they were cheaper, people would buy em up real quick

[himoses]

simon says necro

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