What exactly is "Farming"?

[Tamlinari]

I hear this term used more often now that ever before in CB2.
"Farming for silver" or "Farming for gold"
What is it? and why is it bad?
Sorry to appear so naive (I am with gaming) but Fiesta CB2 was my first MMORPG.
I want to become more familiar with these terms and concepts.
Thanks in advance.
:D

[Deedolith]

Farming is the action to gather a lot of supply of something.
In the case of silver (or gold), it is bad bc people who do it have the intention to sell virtual money for real money. As a side effect, it ruin the economy bc in, game money have less and less value.
And I don't speak about the agravating spam problem linked to it.

[yakito]

yah... and it banned me because i farm...:( and i still cant get the GMs replies...
farming is a good way to earn money..
but eventually i get to be a suspect and a victim to buying virtual money by real money...:(

X( i never thought working hard was a crime...

[Tamlinari]

Ok, I got that much but how do they collect large amounts of something, silver for example by camping out in one place?
I have to have to hunt around for supplies to make things to sell.
They don't?
Say I go to their unscrupulous website and buy their virtual gold with my real money, where did they get the virtual gold to sell me in the first place?

I would never do that because I want to play fair and I don't want to be banned but I do want to understand the concept.
:D

[TastyTapioca]

I'd say silver before we start jumping into the gold territory. Game's still young.

[Drusciliana]

"Farming" is a derogatory term used to define the sitting in one particular place, alone or with a group, doing monotonous tasks for the purpose of gaining something that could be gained elsewhere and in an more productive manner (Questing and/or levelling). "Farmers" do not play the game for the fun or the character advancement, but to hoard their in-game money on "mule" accounts, in case one of their other characters gets banned. Gold selling consists of 4 accounts minimum, all separate so they cannot be traced to each other easily:

"Farmer" - The one out in the field collecting the items or whatever is needed to gain money, more often than not, the highest level of all the characters.

"Spammer" - The one that mindlessly advertises, with the use of "bots" (programs or scripts used to repeatedly do something without user interaction), their money to whatever website or means they have to advertise. Usually low level.

"Mule" - The bank character of the group. Holds all the money. Pretty simple, also low level.

"Runner" - The character that takes the money from the mule and gives it to whatever assbandit spent real money to get in-game money.

MMORPG in-game money selling has been going on since the dawn of internet gaming. The people that do it are mostly from Asia or Eastern European Bloc countries, or former Soviet nations. Mainly it's done by the poor to make a quick buck when it's hard to find real jobs for them. Legitimate players that actually buy from there are usually shunned by players that don't. It ruins the spirit of the game. Many game companies condone gold selling, such as Sony, who on some games, actually have entire servers dedicated to real money transactions.

It's easily done in this game too, just like all others. They find a spot that has easy mobs that drop things (Repeatedly make level 1-5 characters just to farm for copper lumps, or other things that sell well, on monsters that only take 1 kill), or they farm harvesting nodes for things to sell in the medium-level to higher-level areas. Farming is frowned upon, because these people will go through any means to stop you from trying to collect things in that same area (See another one of my posts about this and new tactics they use).

Got side-tracked again from work, so hope this clarifies a little. I give myself points for not insulting or using any sort of references that people may find insulting to them like I normally do. Yay me! :P

Just one girl's opinion,

Dru...

[Tamlinari]

Drusciliana that was absolutely awesome!
That make the whole process clear.
I can completely understand why it is an activity that will get you banned.
Thank you so much!

Now I hope they will lock this thread so that it doesn't turn into something really idiotic.
^^

[Felter]

You missed out the fact that farmers also supply a power leveling service, where someone pays them to level their character while they are away, say at work or asleep. Now as far as I have heard they use these accounts to farm while leveling it up, this way they kill two birds with one character, they get paid for the leveling and paid for selling whatever they find but as I have never done it I don't know if it's true or not.

[raged_berserker]

yah... and it banned me because i farm...:( and i still cant get the GMs replies...
farming is a good way to earn money..
but eventually i get to be a suspect and a victim to buying virtual money by real money...:(

X( i never thought working hard was a crime...

did you just admit to being a farmer? as in selling stuff for real money?
and whats with this being a "victim to buying virtual money"?
if its true that you buy or provide a service to earn real money off people then your not a victim at all.
as for farming to be a good way to earn money, if you want to earn money get a job insted of spamming or ruining a game, seriously this game wasnt made for 3rd persons to make money.

in fact i see farmers who sell and power level characters to be an insult to the people who made the game.

[anarchy_]

Everyone farms.

Where do you get your mats from?

Where do you get your income from?

How do you level? By killing mobs over and over repeatedly.

[Tahsin]

Anarchy is right!

i allways say lets farm some Tough Meat to make potions.
or lets farm copper bars, the pirates drop it very fast so does ratman.

[Drusciliana]

I seriously ask you to consider re-reading my post, anarchy_. It's all about intent, don't construe similar means to dissimilar ends as being the same thing. There was actually a show on TLC about this that I had watched. That's where I found out that they're not all Chinese, as I had first thought. Watch something educational for once, instead of piddling your pud watching Sailor Moon or some other anime (although admittedly, Sailor Mars is cuter :P ). You're just taking blind shots at people trying to have a reasonable discussion, bringing nothing but rhetoric into the conversation. This makes you look like a fool. Do us all a favor and don't respond anymore.

Just one girl's opinion,

Dru...

P.S. Thanks for making your response text blue. In the future, it will help us all spot your moronic thoughts in advance without having to read it, and subsequently lowering our collective IQ's 15 points by reading it.

(Thinks to herself, "anarchy_, blue, anarchy_, blue. Got it.")

[Kaalan]

farm·ing

–noun
1.the business of operating a farm.
2.the practice of letting or leasing taxes, revenue, etc., for collection.

[anarchy_]

I seriously ask you to consider re-reading my post, anarchy_. It's all about intent, don't construe similar means to dissimilar ends as being the same thing. There was actually a show on TLC about this that I had watched. That's where I found out that they're not all Chinese, as I had first thought. Watch something educational for once, instead of piddling your pud watching Sailor Moon or some other anime (although admittedly, Sailor Mars is cuter :P ). You're just taking blind shots at people trying to have a reasonable discussion, bringing nothing but rhetoric into the conversation. This makes you look like a fool. Do us all a favor and don't respond anymore.

Just one girl's opinion,

Dru...

P.S. Thanks for making your response text blue. In the future, it will help us all spot your moronic thoughts in advance without having to read it, and subsequently lowering our collective IQ's 15 points by reading it.

(Thinks to herself, "anarchy_, blue, anarchy_, blue. Got it.")


I was answering the topic starter, but er .. okay.

Just one guy's opinion,

anarchy_...


I hear this term used more often now that ever before in CB2.
"Farming for silver" or "Farming for gold"
What is it? and why is it bad?
Sorry to appear so naive (I am with gaming) but Fiesta CB2 was my first MMORPG.
I want to become more familiar with these terms and concepts.
Thanks in advance.
:D

[yakito]

did you just admit to being a farmer? as in selling stuff for real money?
and whats with this being a "victim to buying virtual money"?
if its true that you buy or provide a service to earn real money off people then your not a victim at all.
as for farming to be a good way to earn money, if you want to earn money get a job insted of spamming or ruining a game, seriously this game wasnt made for 3rd persons to make money.

in fact i see farmers who sell and power level characters to be an insult to the people who made the game.

"a supspect and victim to buying real money" i think its an easy english to understand..~~
yes i farm... farm for my own.. coz i wont spend real money for virtual money...

read my reply twice, re-read it, and do it again..~~
so if you still dont undertand... then dont reply nonesense messages..

and just to let you know... im unbanned now... coz i know i do things the right way..:p

[redemption_]

thats great news that you're now unbanned! :D

just goes to show, people shouldnt jump to conclusions.

[Desirai]

Ummm I didn't read everything, but FARMING IS NOT GAINING GAME CURRENCY TO SELL FOR REAL CURRENCY.

It is a way to MAKE money, if you do not farm, you WILL NOT GET MONEY in ANY MMO in existance on the web. End of story.

You want money in FFXI? You farm. You want money in WoW? you farm (doing repeatable quests is the same thing as farming.) You want money in RO? you farm.

I farm in the game. In my case, I exp on mobs that give less exp but better items. IE: lvl 12, I kill little hobs for dusts to make elrue. Making elrue = making money. Therefore, I farm.

An RMT farming is COMPLETELY different from a normal player farming. An RMT farms, most often using bots or in the case of companies, multiple people 24/7. They do nothing but farm items, sell it (most probably to NPCs or on 'legit' accounts) then transfer the farmed money/items to the account that hoardes the money until it is ready to be delivered.

Now, the RMT we have in the servers are encountering one of two things: Either they are having little to no service, or they are having good service. Which means either no one is buying, or people ARE buying. People who buy = the need for more money = more RMT.

Btw, RMT = Real Money Traders.

If all ofthis was already said, then ignore me.
And yes I do know a little bit about RMT, I've played MMOs for almost 10 years. THX.

[redemption_]

Ummm I didn't read everything, but FARMING IS NOT GAINING GAME CURRENCY TO SELL FOR REAL CURRENCY.

It is a way to MAKE money, if you do not farm, you WILL NOT GET MONEY in ANY MMO in existance on the web. End of story.

You want money in FFXI? You farm. You want money in WoW? you farm (doing repeatable quests is the same thing as farming.) You want money in RO? you farm.

I farm in the game. In my case, I exp on mobs that give less exp but better items. IE: lvl 12, I kill little hobs for dusts to make elrue. Making elrue = making money. Therefore, I farm.

An RMT farming is COMPLETELY different from a normal player farming. An RMT farms, most often using bots or in the case of companies, multiple people 24/7. They do nothing but farm items, sell it (most probably to NPCs or on 'legit' accounts) then transfer the farmed money/items to the account that hoardes the money until it is ready to be delivered.

Now, the RMT we have in the servers are encountering one of two things: Either they are having little to no service, or they are having good service. Which means either no one is buying, or people ARE buying. People who buy = the need for more money = more RMT.

Btw, RMT = Real Money Traders.

If all ofthis was already said, then ignore me.
And yes I do know a little bit about RMT, I've played MMOs for almost 10 years. THX.

Sounds right but I wonder why Drusciliana is making it sound like an evil activity carried out by malicious people o_O

[Desirai]

Exactly, Red. x)

[ChaosofRuin]

I haven't gotten around to farming for my own cash in this game yet cuz this is my second day...but yea, farming is not evil if you know how to do it right but it is evil when you sell the stuff for RL money >< it mocks all legit players in any MMORPG who worked hard to get the stuff they have.

[yakito]

thanks redemtion_...:D

[Drusciliana]

Des, you're missing the point, it's the intention, you're not doing what you're doing in order to profit. you're doing it to better your character. THAT is the difference. I don't understand what part of my post is that hard to understand. Everyone just wants to play semantics with word choices. The OP was questioning about the lvlgold or powerlevel.com or whatever it was, who are more often than not, referred to as "farmers", regardless of your definition of the word. You are incorrect in your assumption that killing or whatever just to gain money has been around since the history of the web. I'm assuming that since you've only been playing for 10 years that you might not remember BBS games and having hundreds of dollars worth of phone bills :P To prevent bandwidth problems, you were only allowed to make a certain amount of choices per day, and majority of them were killing things that attacked you :P Or there was the first online graphic RPG, the -original- Neverwinter Nights, which you could only play if you were an AOL customer (Back when AOL was good, HA :P)

Anyway, I'm getting off-topic. It's all about intention, that's the problem. If you can't answer "yes" to this question, please don't respond, because it's just showing people to be argumentative rather than listening to someone else. This is what the problem is redemption:

In case you haven't read a post on this I have on another thread, certain group of people (I won't call them "farmers", because that apparantly offends some people). Anyway, we'll call them "People That Are Hoarding Money To Sell", or PTAHMTS, for short not to confuse you people who don't actually look at meaning in people's posts and respond blindly. Well, these PTAHMTS, sit in certain areas, about 4-5 of them, doing what they do. If you come near them, and try to innocently go around your business killing or picking up nodes, they will round up the zone, train it on top of you, then use recall scrolls to disappear, leaving all the mobs on your head, and if you're not ready, you subsequently die. This has been done on numerous occasions, but you wouldn't know, because you didn't read my other posts with people saying this has also happened to them. I really feel bad for you, redemption, that you don't see this as "malicious". So anyway, here's the question, if you HONESTLY feel the answer to this question is "NO", then you're understanding intention, then can somewhat agree with what I said earlier, now you see it from my point of view. Anyone who can say "YES", please respond, so you can publically show the world what douchebags your really are. Here we go:

"Is it in the best interest of the game to defend, and allow to play without consequence, those who would go out of their way to ruin the experience of the game for another player?"

It just goes to show who cares about the game and the people behind it, and in it, and who doesn't.

Dru

[Semaj]

where are these areas? id like to go visit with some friends, maby stake our own claim to the ground, for the people of Fiesta. maby we'll drag a train of monsters on them when they come back to continue farming ;)

*edit* oh sorry, not farming PTAHMTS *end edit*

[Drusciliana]

Dammit, that went up twice for some reason on an edit. My apologies.

[Desirai]

Perhaps I did take out of context some parts of your post. I only read derogatory and remarks regarding the RMT. I didn't think the OP necessarily meant RMT.

My very first MMO was indeed some sort of web based game. I think I have tried most that were released in English, and some that weren't. (yay for fake korean identities?)

I have never approved of the term "Farming" to be associated with RMT, because it isn't. Their methods of acquiring items and money are usually different than the normal player.. ^^ normal players do indeed bot, but normally not with RMT purposes. And then, I don't consider them farmers either -.o'

They're all brats.

[anarchy_]

I hear this term used more often now that ever before in CB2.
"Farming for silver" or "Farming for gold"
What is it? and why is it bad?
Sorry to appear so naive (I am with gaming) but Fiesta CB2 was my first MMORPG.
I want to become more familiar with these terms and concepts.
Thanks in advance.
:D

That was the original post. Where does it say anything about gold farmers? Sounds like a simple question, one that didnt require a novel sized response. eg. look at Kaalan's reply.

Dont teach, if you dont practise what you preach.

Dont give that BS that you dont farm. How do you level your character? How do you make any money Drusciliana? Who are you to say what peoples intents are when they're farming?

You are so narrow minded. Just because all gold sellers are farmers, doesnt mean all farmers are gold sellers. With your logic, you could be the next George Bush "all terrorists are muslims, hence all muslims must be terrorists".

[redemption_]

hehe, np guys.

Drusciliana it sounds like you have a personal crusade against a lot of things, why is that?

Farming is just a term for an activity, its part of the game, it doesnt make anyone a bad person o_O

if people sell gold, they will face the consequences sooner or later (what goes around comes around), but its the peoples actions that make them what they are, not the gold or how they farmed for the gold/xp. There are all sorts of people in life, in Fiesta its no different, but it doesnt mean you should label everyone with your prejudice like that. Of course, there are really mean players, who deliberately have fun in others misery, and no I wouldnt stick up for them either, but niether would I want them to die or anything. If they dont bother me, then its not any of my business, if they do bother me, then I find something else to do and instead of arguing with them and adding to the problem, I find something else to be happy about =)

those who seek revenge will be consumed by it. there's no need to feel bad for me, I feel sorry for you because you're so full of negativity and hate.

and like anarchy_, i find it hard to believe you've never "farmed" before. are you really lvl 1 with 0 copper? x]

[xenotuz]

who knew there be so much talk about these websites eh?.
However, i must say Both redemption and Drus are both right.
Everyone farms, doesn't matter what you say, you farm..
you farm or items.. farm for rares w/e it is .. you farm.. if you want to lvl.. you farm too.
and those Gold farmers are bums for doing what they do.
but there's no point in having an argument about this. as long as people are willing to be legit in game then it's all good, but if they choose to pay real money for gold or for lvls then so be it.
it is their choice; it doesn't ruin our gaming experience whatsoever, and yes intention does play a role in this matter.
what i'm getting at is, farming is a way of life in ANY MMORPG. Choose what you may for good or for bad. but it doesn't lessen the goodness of any MMORPG experience. because it is your choice if you want to ruin your own experience.
i know Drus is saying that it's about intention. that i agree with, however what is YOUR intention when u need money? you farm too right ? (it's not a potshot at you.. nothing offensive i hope) because if i farm, MY intention is to gain money out of it doesn't matter if i'm getting any exp to lvl or not cuz i want money. it's all bout how u feel and your choice to choose whats right.
and Redemption is also right.. let them do what they want.. what goes around.. comes around (Karma ^^)
so stop bickering like children,
i know with that vocabulary Drus isn't one nor is Redemption one as well
stop the potshots at each other =)


-Saizo.
PS: Drus i don't watch Sailor Moon, I watch Naruto and Bleach and many many other animes ^^

[redemption_]

oh no, I'm not arguing with Drusciliana, just replying ^^

[15837]

Well, so what I understand you can get banned for farming?

[Oalka]

So wait...

I'm from Final Fantasy XI. In that game, 'farming' means 'killing easier mobs to collect items.'

Is this a bannable activity in this game? If I need to make some money, I can't go out and get some stuff, then come back and sell it to people in town? (No RL money involved)

Also, is there any kind of an Auction House system in this game?

[Tamlinari]

So wait...

I'm from Final Fantasy XI. In that game, 'farming' means 'killing easier mobs to collect items.'

Is this a bannable activity in this game? If I need to make some money, I can't go out and get some stuff, then come back and sell it to people in town? (No RL money involved)

Also, is there any kind of an Auction House system in this game?
As I understand it now it means collecting virtual money in the game and selling it on line for real money.
Right?
That is the the activity that will get you banned.

[Kyndril]

Farming, is a term used for collecting materials you need for your production skills, as far as ppl saying they never farm then they couldnt level there production skills or make any money period because to farm is no different than grinding the same area over and over again.

the term Gold Farmer comes from other MMOs where mobs drop currency, certain mobs have a higher currency drop than others so Gold Farmers in those games choose thos mobs for the quick access to money fast, also most of the mobs with decent currency drops have decent gear drops as well, whether it be from a green thats worth a few gold to a purple thats worth over a thousand.

Im a proud farmer of stone mats, on my cleric from 20-26 i didnt leave the phinos and jokers in Forest of Tides because of the stone mat drop rate.

If ppl have a problem with farming then id suggest playing an FPS since the worst that can happen to ya there is ya get camped.