For other who blame not healing cleric

[ChildOfFire]

First of all, english is not my main language so i'm sorry for other who get annoyed with improper grammar in here. As i seem in vent thread people seem to blaming cleric for not healing. I myself annoyed when i party with a cleric who does not healing or helping at all. But in other hand, i understand why this kind of people exist. Anyone will get annoyed when they been ordered around to do thing. A cleric will get this kind of command " BUFF" "HEAL " "REV" wherever they are, either they are grinding or afk at towns. There are some who asking nicely, but not to many who prefer to do that.

Not to mention, when in kq if the party consist of other class and cleric, it seem ok for other class to afk. But when a cleric need to handle something in real life which only take 2 minutes, he or she will get accuse as leeching. I even had a very bad experience when i use my cleric to go into KQ. sometimes unseen things happen in real life when you decide to join KQ. Most of my time, i wouldn't join kq if i need to handle something in real life.

And what make i'm so mad is one of my party member decide to get killed than use his pots/stones when the cleric not around. And the whole kq, one of the party member which is a mage afk whole kq. Most of cleric decide to be a lone because other people keep treating them bad.

And for those who keep flaming the cleric who not healing, just realize the community of people who create this unhealing cleric. Some are just give up of being good cleric because they will treat as useless slave whose job only healing.:(

[Xenomorphcrux]

Well mate, i hear u there... i've been mostlie on so kq mini d now and i alwiz see fighters, mages leeching like lots.... **archers are still acceptable since the afk and just shoot away the whole time "u notice when their sp dont go down" ** but owh well, i understand how u fell in lots of ways...

But the main thing that people are so dependent on the cleric because they are a super vital asset in keeping the pt or the kq alive... Of course, i've been to some kqs and pt without clerics at all and we still get the work done... but the clerics are still a vital asset... and with them it makes all the things way easier....

So, relax mate... dont fret!!! live on with it... if they dont need u... then dont pt them... if u dont feel like healing people dont pt... or get in a pt with 2-3 cleric and talk to them about who heals and who heals... its all about strategie and cooperation and understanding... i mean if everyone is hard headed... then nothing could be accomplished right..?

[ChildOfFire]

Yea..that what i will do from now on, solo whole kq unless there is people who really need a cleric. A worthy people. I feel bad doing this, but just had enough of people mistreat a cleric. Sigh..time for me to do some real stuff with my char in this game.

[Xenomorphcrux]

Yea..that what i will do from now on, solo whole kq unless there is people who really need a cleric. A worthy people. I feel bad doing this, but just had enough of people mistreat a cleric. Sigh..time for me to do some real stuff with my char in this game.

Wooo relax mate... dont go all solo on me now... im sure there are lots of people who still needs ur help and powers... but then again let me ask u this, what's ur purpose when u choose to make a cleric anyways... a favourite but cliche' qoute "with great power comes great responsibilities".... so make ur choices then...

And at the end of the day, although u choose to have fun and enjoy the game... do you really do something to make yourself recognised..? u sound to me, like u heal and support people so that u can get recognisition and acknowledgement... Do something because u care... and accept nothing in return... that is the best bliss and serenity...

[ChildOfFire]

i'm playing the cleric coz i like to use the skills. Sigh...so tired now. I don't care what other people think of my char in the games..it a game anyway. And i don't play cleric to get "heal and support people so that i can get recognisition and acknowledgement". Why should i care what other ppl think of me??. Ok. i'm not such a pure heart people. I don't believe that kind of people exist anymore in this kind of world. I do play games to have fun. I guess it time for me to secluded myself so i won't get involve in drama llama again..

[elynsysnos]

:3 I'd like to point out that most clerics do not know how to perform their supportive role, as most have now been power leveled by the new quest exp, resulting in them not using their skills a lot. Then there's the small group of clerics that are indeed sick of the "heal," "buff," "res" demands, and then the even smaller group of clerics that actually know how to perform their roles in the appropriate times~

K. *Shutsmouth*

[versiee]

Big props to you for everything you've posted in here. Thank you thank you THANK YOU for awknowledging our hard work and for being understanding. ;D everyone says clerics get it easy.. do we really now..? sure we're here for support and what not.. but when lag spikes bite our asses.. and the party either dies or w/e.. who gets the blame..? erks the clerics do. people people people.. ever heard about POTS/STONES..? lmfao..? you are players SHOULD know NOT to always depend on the clerics. LOL just because we have the name "support" in front of our class.. doesnt mean we can always save you -_-. but anyways, going back on topic.. you raise a really good point. like i've said before.. thank you for pointing this out and for posting what you feel about clerics. ;D

edit edit..
SHAME ON YOU CLERICS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO HEAL ;D enough said.
clerics are WHACK. lmfao ;P but gotta love their buffing skills *whack whack die;P

[elynsysnos]

Vers, if you're in an aoe party, and you aren't decked in +9s, you'll really *need* cleric heals. [/example]

Stone cool time and even pot cool time kills.

[sullensorrows]

this is why i retired my cleric. too much pressure was being thrown at me. almost seems like no one realizes that our heals "have" cool downs even if we've reduced it.

[elynsysnos]

:3
<--- very into this topic.

TOO many clerics shouldn't be clerics. There are TOO many that literally stand around talking, and only heal you after you've spammed stones and pots for the past ten years, and you're finally down to like, 250hp. Yet the second the cleric takes dmg they spam heal themselves like no tomorrow. If you ask for them to start healing, even politely, you get "I'M NOT A SLAVE" thrown into your face, its like, ok no heals then I don't tank or deal damage.

The complaints are aimed only at the clerics that don't even attempt to play their roles.

The ones that try and get hit by lag, or even too much dmg VS heal cool times, those are good clerics. If someone dies but the cleric was seriously trying, then why complain. Could've been stuck spamming hp stones and pots with a cleric that stood off to the side asking why you die so much. :x

[blurie]

erm... well, i have a mage lvl 56 but sometimes i die of no heals and stones cool dwn. Especially when I have all T3 scrolled up and DIED! Most MD kq failed coz there are 2 clerics in a pt and ppl just pissed off that clerics are not healing fast enough and they rather die.. rather then to waste the stones on failed kq(referring myself.. LOL) Parties with 2 clerics, either one will think that.. ok maybe that cleric might do healing so ended up both no healing at all..

As a cleric for myself.. I'm lazy to heal. am so used to solo nowadays and i seems to forget how to heal. hehe Lucky no one complains abt me yet. Ever noticed those flaming thread about clerics are those in low lvls and ppl in high lvl intend to understand more and rely less on clerics or maybe clerics are less impt at higher lvls? lol

[DF001]

I love Dr Dominoes. Never used a stone or died once on a party with him.
He could handle 4 squishy DDs...

I hate other partys and I hate having to get 2 clerics to the party, waste of a spot and exp..

I remember partys that I wouldn't even get heals when pulling or I would only get a buff after asking politely for 10 mins...

[the_nutter]

My cleric was my main char, i got her to lvl 63 and wondered why mages kept dying in my pty, when i did everything i could in abyss ptys to keep them alive, Therefore i created my mage, mage is now lvl 82 and currently retired except for chatting with friends.

When i ptyd with people i learnt how hard i was to keep alive, saw the panic in the clerics that i had felt before, and saw how others treated other clerics not just myself.

The problem we have not is not created by bad clerics, non healing clerics its by inconsiderate ptys who ply as many DD's into a pty for damage without a thought of how the 1 cleric in the pty is going to keep them all alive, tanks not holding agro, and mages getting all the agro, then the cleric after when mage is dead.

I solo on my cleric as i do not wish to be abused by others for why they died, when they put to much pressure on the sole cleric in there unrealistic pty, and i do not appreciate people who make this wise choice being called pwrlvld as they obviously dont know there role.

They do know there role, they were just taken for granted, abused, and subsequently decided its easier to keep themselves alive in a peaceful manner than help others and get it thrown back in their faces.

So sad how others turn on the only real support class out there, soon they will have pushed them all away and they will have to learn how to use their precious stones, instead of using the clerics.

I have 1 char of each class but by far i have found the cleric to be the hardest and least fun in ptys, not cos of our skills but due to the lack of respect others give, and the way they are treated.

Its about time all those who abuse clerics and mistreat them make there own then come back and complain if they dare!!:mad:

[Dr_Feelgood]

erm... well, i have a mage lvl 56 but sometimes i die of no heals and stones cool dwn. Especially when I have all T3 scrolled up and DIED! Most MD kq failed coz there are 2 clerics in a pt and ppl just pissed off that clerics are not healing fast enough and they rather die.. rather then to waste the stones on failed kq(referring myself.. LOL) Parties with 2 clerics, either one will think that.. ok maybe that cleric might do healing so ended up both no healing at all..

As a cleric for myself.. I'm lazy to heal. am so used to solo nowadays and i seems to forget how to heal. hehe Lucky no one complains abt me yet. Ever noticed those flaming thread about clerics are those in low lvls and ppl in high lvl intend to understand more and rely less on clerics or maybe clerics are less impt at higher lvls? lol

If that's you in that siggy, ur really kewt x.x

[DF001]

The problem we have not is not created by bad clerics, non healing clerics its by inconsiderate ptys who ply as many DD's into a pty for damage without a thought of how the 1 cleric in the pty is going to keep them all alive, tanks not holding agro, and mages getting all the agro, then the cleric after when mage is dead.

Sorry I think that are just excuses. I know a few clerics than can keep all the mages/me alive without making us using stones.

Let me ask.

Did you ever do Invincible on the mage?

[Celtic_Princess]

Sorry I think that are just excuses. I know a few clerics than can keep all the mages/me alive without making us using stones.

Let me ask.

Did you ever do Invincible on the mage?


In a party with players who know how to handle their characters and know how much aggro they can take without outdamaging my heals its quite easy to keep them alive. But there are lots of players out there that, like clerics who don't know how to heal, dont know how to play their own character. And instead of taking credit for their own incompetence they blame the cleric.

[DF001]

In a party with players who know how to handle their characters and know how much aggro they can take without outdamaging my heals its quite easy to keep them alive. But there are lots of players out there that, like clerics who don't know how to heal, dont know how to play their own character. And instead of taking credit for their own incompetence they blame the cleric.

I would only blame the cleric because I keep 90% of the aggro.

Well 60% if there is a n00b mage.

[DF001]

But I must agree..If the archer doesn't pull or spam AoE Poison while pulling or spamming Multi-Shot/Nat on the stacked mobs the cleric/mage will die.

And if the mage is 67- and doesn't know how to use his skills and when...and where, the cleric will die.

[Celtic_Princess]

Yes, but you are only one of several hundred on a server. And there are players who take on a lot more than they can handle, and a lot more than a cleric can heal for. Its rather irritating to be in a party with someone like this, working your bum off to keep them alive, and then being called a noob cleric because they thought they were a god and took on way more than they could actually handle.

My heal may be over 1.7k, but if 20 mobs hit you at 200+ and your hp is only 3k (cough*squishehs*cough*) odds are, you're dead before I can get to you. Especially in KQ's when the party tends to get split up, and i have to run to heal each character.

[DF001]

Yes, but you are only one of several hundred on a server. And there are players who take on a lot more than they can handle, and a lot more than a cleric can heal for. Its rather irritating to be in a party with someone like this, working your bum off to keep them alive, and then being called a noob cleric because they thought they were a god and took on way more than they could actually handle.

My heal may be over 1.7k, but if 20 mobs hit you at 200+ and your hp is only 3k (cough*squishehs*cough*) odds are, you're dead before I can get to you. Especially in KQ's when the party tends to get split up, and i have to run to heal each character.

6x abyss mobs hit me around... 80 and I have 4.1k hp, I never AoE in abyss without t3's.

[Shadowic2]

To me, a good cleric can be measured by how they can balance Healing and Clanking, as well as being able to adjust well to different types of parties and each individual in that party.

Some squishies will be squishier then most, some won't. Some tanks may tank on more damage than others. Some you'll only need to cast restore and go have a cup of tea.

Sometimes the party is in a real fix, monsters coming left and right, the health bars are going nuts, and as the cleric you're frantically trying to click and heal as fast as the lag and the cooldown will let you, as well as trying to dodge attacks.

Sometimes you'll have a full party, more people to worry about, other times you may not. Sometimes you may have tons of DDs that are getting aggro'd all the time, sometimes not.

Not all parties are created equal. As a cleric you must know your limitations, and you need to communicate these with your party. Communication can play a big role in many of these situations where someone is attacked for not doing their job. Just a "Hey I'm lagging really bad, so heads up", or "Hey, I'm having a really hard time keeping you guys healed, could you please use a stone/potion if your health gets to halfway, just incase?" And the same for the other people in the party as well.

When I'm in a party I let them know whats going on. And if they do something that makes it hard for me to heal them, like taking on too many mobs, or running out of my range and away from the rest of th party, I'll politely make it known. People respond well to things put in a polite manner, rather than "OMG you noob! *** are you doing??!!!11"

Of course not everyone is good at what they play, but that's no reason to attack that person over it unless they are just being rude and don't care.

Remember it's not the Class, but the person behind the keyboard, that people are criticizing, praising,blaming, etc.

Just remember to have fun and be more mindful of the people around you and the problems they may be encountering on their end.

*Ends ramble* Think my coffee is kicking in.

[MissMagicka]

Shadow just about said everything I was going to say^^Like shadow said communication is key and being polite gets better results.
Some clerics know what they can handle and let their pt know if they are going overboard or if they are laggy etc...sometimes crap just happens like eeeek I hit the wrong button >.< accidents dont make the cleric a bad cleric. (and of course unfortunately, there are clerics who just dont want to do anything and dont care if their pt dies..."bad clerics") But the loss of major exp with a death causes almost anybody to be upset and some get rude about it. Others dont and understand. We cant save u all the time but a good cleric can save you most of the time. The negativity towards clerics is just as strong as the negativity from clerics these days. I know clerics who only want to heal and some who only want to fight. Just because they choose to be clank does not make them a bad cleric either.... just know ahead of time which cleric u get before u pt so nobody gets mad for either not getting healed or for being yelled at for bashing a monster. Generally in an aoe the cleric is specifically there to heal the pt. If they will not then please get another cleric >.<
Personally I take pride in being a good cleric and HATE it if a pt member dies. It does happen occasionally...like I said there are accidents and trains and overpulls etc... when we cant save u. And we feel bad enough when it happens we dont want to be cursed at. And I have alts of every class so I can see this from all perspectives as well.
Blessed be to all

[DF001]

Shadow just about said everything I was going to say^^Like shadow said communication is key and being polite gets better results.
Some clerics know what they can handle and let their pt know if they are going overboard or if they are laggy etc...sometimes crap just happens like eeeek I hit the wrong button >.< accidents dont make the cleric a bad cleric. (and of course unfortunately, there are clerics who just dont want to do anything and dont care if their pt dies..."bad clerics") But the loss of major exp with a death causes almost anybody to be upset and some get rude about it. Others dont and understand. We cant save u all the time but a good cleric can save you most of the time. The negativity towards clerics is just as strong as the negativity from clerics these days. I know clerics who only want to heal and some who only want to fight. Just because they choose to be clank does not make them a bad cleric either.... just know ahead of time which cleric u get before u pt so nobody gets mad for either not getting healed or for being yelled at for bashing a monster. Generally in an aoe the cleric is specifically there to heal the pt. If they will not then please get another cleric >.<
Personally I take pride in being a good cleric and HATE it if a pt member dies. It does happen occasionally...like I said there are accidents and trains and overpulls etc... when we cant save u. And we feel bad enough when it happens we dont want to be cursed at. And I have alts of every class so I can see this from all perspectives as well.
Blessed be to all

I remember that party when I died 2 times.

[Xenomorphcrux]

Hahaha... at the end of the day, i would say its all about knowing your character's strengths and weaknesses... Consider one scenario :

Mage **with t3s** and mage **w/o t3s** both using +9... in a pt in abyss..
Who would die first..? What is really funnie is that this non t3 mage user said he died alwiz... and did die alwiz... because he gets no heals... and die too fast... "well put on some t3s...and if u noticed ur health bar going down so fast... run around near the group "mob" and don't stand still... That takes the hits away... and run around while u nova, inferno, magic burst.." and pots and stones are meant to be used not to be stored for WW3..."

Basically in my days of being a cleric, i think i do a decent job... taking some tricks i learnt from sparring partners like Zapdos, Benuvety, Dettol, Kokohime... Those are great if not good clerics.... And so far no one complained.... Plus usually the pt i have usually are on t3s or at least t1 scrolls.. so that makes things way easier...

And yesh communication is always the key... i usually do that when im in a pt and healing... and laying out the ground works... on how to do things... And plus.... for those clerics that complain they die alot and nobody is protecting them "over healing / taking aggro"... well scroll up too... that would help u alot....

[Celtic_Princess]

6x abyss mobs hit me around... 80 and I have 4.1k hp, I never AoE in abyss without t3's.


Not everything takes place in the abyss. People aoe blue clover trumpies, ancient stonies, sylphs, other mobs with normal damage. Not always the weakened mobs of the abyss. These are the mobs and party situations I was referring to. I've even been in an aoe party in Trumpy Remains. Those things hit me 300+, and the magic can take over 1k off me in one hit.

[the_nutter]

Sorry I think that are just excuses. I know a few clerics than can keep all the mages/me alive without making us using stones.

Let me ask.

Did you ever do Invincible on the mage?

My cleric is lvl 70 now, and my mage is 82 which more then qualifies me to know my skills and limitation, i do not need pointing out whether i used Invinc, it seems you are just wishing to go against every valid point made about the realities of being a cleric, which is unfortunate.

I have had many ptys, many successful with no deaths, and some with deaths, most cleric hate when people die in there pty, i died alot as a mage being pure int build, i never once blamed the cleric as its my build, i compensated by having teva, as it was my choice to have that build, and except the risks thereof.

What i do not need is telling people when there are a high lvl of DD's in the pty that they will need 2 cleric to keep them alive, and they invite another DD, communication goes out the window when some classes just see exp in their eyes.

Just remember, we can aoe heal, rejuv 1, invince1, restore 1 and try and juggle them all, but if all want to live be realistic on what 1 cleric and there cool time can do.

If people dont want to be reasonable then get 2 clerics if they want to pull more then they can take, if u cant live with the amount dont pull it.

Khawvkoob was the best cleric in my opinion who ever was created, and i only ever died once in tr on my mage. He is a rarety and the parties were constructed knowing each persons strengths and weaknesses, u dont have that luxury in most parties, so just dont abuse the cleric for trying to help keep people alive who especially at the moment with high scroll prices would rather burn the clerics pots and stress them out rather than use a scroll to help themselves.:eek:

[ola_swirl]

:3
TOO many clerics shouldn't be clerics. There are TOO many that literally stand around talking, and only heal you after you've spammed stones and pots for the past ten years, and you're finally down to like, 250hp. Yet the second the cleric takes dmg they spam heal themselves like no tomorrow. If you ask for them to start healing, even politely, you get "I'M NOT A SLAVE" thrown into your face, its like, ok no heals then I don't tank or deal damage.

The complaints are aimed only at the clerics that don't even attempt to play their roles.

The ones that try and get hit by lag, or even too much dmg VS heal cool times, those are good clerics. If someone dies but the cleric was seriously trying, then why complain. Could've been stuck spamming hp stones and pots with a cleric that stood off to the side asking why you die so much. :x


:3 I'd like to point out that most clerics do not know how to perform their supportive role, as most have now been power leveled by the new quest exp, resulting in them not using their skills a lot. Then there's the small group of clerics that are indeed sick of the "heal," "buff," "res" demands, and then the even smaller group of clerics that actually know how to perform their roles in the appropriate times~

K. *Shutsmouth*

True true. Now most of the clerics are really bad ones, expecting other people to do all the job and then walk away. And that "I'M NOT A SLAVE" part was really well said, because not only that they are not doing their job, but they're practically saying they shouldn't be doing it.
Now nearly all the lower (lvl1~50) levelled clerics are being a target of an unfair generalization, and I honestly don't like that. There are a lot of good clerics, but thanks to the marvellous bad clerics, the good ones are treated as a bad one.

And yes, the quest exp raise was too much, people do not know what to do at higher levels. It was just fine before. If one does not know how to play it, he/she quits Fiesta, in their lower levels. The end. But now the quests lower level quests give more exp now, (my fighter levelled really quickly, I did KQ and one quest and I levelled up, I still had lots of quests o.o) the player levels up and up very fastly, and he/she doesn't dominate the techniques that a player would before the quest exp raise. No one is noobier than a high-levelled noob. (Is that how you say it? 0.o)

[blurie]

If that's you in that siggy, ur really kewt x.x

hehehe. yup :P I'll update the real pic in rl pic thread..

[blurie]

well, Wat i do in a Big aoe party for eg. 2 mages and 1 archer and 1 warrior. I'll still be the clank. Coz, it would be easier for me if i heal myself. Am not a full end build cleric but i rather be the main clank. I'll spam awaken, aoe heal and big heals on myself. So everyone will be free from mobs and i can concentrate on healing on myself. So no noob clerics no complains of dying of pt memebers. Healing on 1 is so much better than to handle 4 ppl at a time. so if u want to pt me. I call the shot. I'm the main clank! :P Aoe only when i get full aggros! If they choose to aggro their mobs and i am unable to heal fast enough.. Just sorry..

[DF001]

Not everything takes place in the abyss. People aoe blue clover trumpies, ancient stonies, sylphs, other mobs with normal damage. Not always the weakened mobs of the abyss. These are the mobs and party situations I was referring to. I've even been in an aoe party in Trumpy Remains. Those things hit me 300+, and the magic can take over 1k off me in one hit.

o.O...I only AoE in abyss

[DF001]

My cleric is lvl 70 now, and my mage is 82 which more then qualifies me to know my skills and limitation, i do not need pointing out whether i used Invinc, it seems you are just wishing to go against every valid point made about the realities of being a cleric, which is unfortunate.

lolwut

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[Kraehe]

6x abyss mobs hit me around... 80 and I have 4.1k hp, I never AoE in abyss without t3's.


Of course you don´t, that would be called a suicide-mission. :3

[Xenomorphcrux]

o.O...I only AoE in abyss


Boring...... only aoe in abyss..? LoLz that's not much fun... Well in the case of me warrior and scout... i mostly aoe alone in the abyss... and still do fine... well of course with t3s def, vit and evasion, with speed.... but the downside is t3 pots hp goes down fast that way... but awesome xp and drops lolz... i usually take both upper rooms in the level 60 abyss... so much fun hehehehe.... But still after a while..... BORING....

[Synthetic_Sheep]

So I was wandering the forums and found my favorite post of all time:


I love Dr Dominoes. Never used a stone or died once on a party with him.
He could handle 4 squishy DDs...

I hate other partys and I hate having to get 2 clerics to the party, waste of a spot and exp..

I remember partys that I wouldn't even get heals when pulling or I would only get a buff after asking politely for 10 mins...

I still remember and miss keeping my full DD aoeing pty alive :P When I was L4x cleric, I was wandering AEW and got an invite from a L7x mage. ^^ He aoeed every BCT in that BCT area o.0 and he didn't die once, so I believe it's knowing how to use your skills to save for time and hp etc. The one thing I don't think a lone cleric can do is keep a pty of Warriors alive in KKP (or a similar situation)...a few deaths that day, but I can always manage instant rez o.0 My pty knew how to use their stones and pots though and didn't complain once. I did try my hardest, quickened-->INV restored and rezzed all over the place. It's the effort of every team member that counts :) And the more they do to try and keep themselves (and hence the pty alive) the more motivated I am to heal more and more.


Now a response to the very beginning of this post ^^
It's a sad thing when a cleric is the one demanding for heals.
I was in kkp a couple days ago keeping my ptys fighter alive because he is rather squishy, and a not so rosey and nice lil cleric girl yelled at me and the other cleric for not healing her when she decided to clank. Actually she accused us of leeching rofl :) Then she pulled phino into us all when we all got sick of her ordering us around. Yep cleric has heal lag in kkp, but if she can't keep herself alive when there's not enough clerics, don't tank and beg for heal you fool ^^ Sit back and heal the next tanker (or join a pty with another cleric rofl).
SUCCESS regardless of her selfishness :P
She had 7k hp and announced 1.5kdef or more, she could easily keep herself alive. I have 4.5khp and 1.2kdef with T3 buffs I can tank Phino and keep myself alive. I would ask kindly for heals but not demand and whine like that -.-
Clanks ftw............it just makes me cry when they order for heals -,-

P.S. That same not so nice clankette yelled at a friend of mine a week before for clanking, calling her a noob and that clerics were not meant to clank or fight. ^^ At least my friend could do it properly, healing herself and being considerate to others.

[Synthetic_Sheep]

Boring...... only aoe in abyss..? LoLz that's not much fun... Well in the case of me warrior and scout... i mostly aoe alone in the abyss... and still do fine... well of course with t3s def, vit and evasion, with speed.... but the downside is t3 pots hp goes down fast that way... but awesome xp and drops lolz... i usually take both upper rooms in the level 60 abyss... so much fun hehehehe.... But still after a while..... BORING....

It gets mind-numbing to you too? XD

I used to love long abyss pty with CONVERSATION lol.

[Xenomorphcrux]

It gets mind-numbing to you too? XD

I used to love long abyss pty with CONVERSATION lol.


Awh pt me then... i hate being in a pt that's monoton and concentrate only on xp and leveling and what not... **i play the game to meet people and new friends damnit >.< Not just leveling hahaha

[Beckywolf2]

I think that there can be 2 sides to this story.... Tankers need to have clerics to heal them but sometimes, other members are dying faster so the cleric heals them. While doing that the tanker dies... Its one of those situations you cant win or lose... But on the other hand sometimes clerics just dont heal at all... I think its best just to gt on with it and not to really blam anyone :D

[Synthetic_Sheep]

Awh pt me then... i hate being in a pt that's monoton and concentrate only on xp and leveling and what not... **i play the game to meet people and new friends damnit >.< Not just leveling hahaha

I know right? I almost quit when I was first playing cuz nobody EVER talked XD Depressing


I think that there can be 2 sides to this story.... Tankers need to have clerics to heal them but sometimes, other members are dying faster so the cleric heals them. While doing that the tanker dies... Its one of those situations you cant win or lose... But on the other hand sometimes clerics just dont heal at all... I think its best just to gt on with it and not to really blam anyone :D

I do that very same thing XD I rez others only if I know the tank can live for 5 sec if he heals himself while I rez others, but that's the catch....IF HE HEALS HIMSELF o.o Otherwise why risk everyone elses lives when you know tank will die D:

[piepiepiepie]

I know right? I almost quit when I was first playing cuz nobody EVER talked XD Depressing

*thinks of Dom quitting. Shudders*

But in response to the topic of clanking I think that Clerics are far and away the best class for tanking bosses in KQ's but we don't handle as well when trying to aoe(at least in the lvls I've done). The reason is that tanking bosses allows all our big shiny heals to concentrate on holding aggro on that one boss instead of lots of tiny little critters. If a cleric clanks a boss right the only way they should lose aggro is if they are stunned; feared; or a fighter uses mock. i enjoy clanking the bosses in KKP because then I know that my pt members aren't being attacked. Look at is as a form of preventative healing:p

[DF001]

I think that there can be 2 sides to this story.... Tankers need to have clerics to heal them but sometimes, other members are dying faster so the cleric heals them. While doing that the tanker dies... Its one of those situations you cant win or lose... But on the other hand sometimes clerics just dont heal at all... I think its best just to gt on with it and not to really blam anyone :D

What class is tanker to you?

[Beckywolf2]

What class is tanker to you?

im talking about any class apart from a cleric tanking, a cleric could tank but in most situations they dont.

[DF001]

im talking about any class apart from a cleric tanking, a cleric could tank but in most situations they dont.

1 clank + 1 multi shot = 1 dead archer..

[Celtic_Princess]

1 clank + 1 multi shot = 1 dead archer..


I hold aggro over my husband, who's 3 levels above me, and I can steal aggro from an archer friend I was in TR with last night...who is also a few levels above me. If aggro switches its really not that difficult to press f2 and then heal. No one should die in the pt even if the tanker (or clanker) loses aggro.

[DF001]

I hold aggro over my husband, who's 3 levels above me, and I can steal aggro from an archer friend I was in TR with last night...who is also a few levels above me. If aggro switches its really not that difficult to press f2 and then heal. No one should die in the pt even if the tanker (or clanker) loses aggro.

I said that statement based on previous experiences..

[Synthetic_Sheep]

And doesn't it vary from situation to situation anyways? Depending on the individuals I mean XD I steal aggro like crazy everywhere I go cuz I spam heal. Which is why you should all let meh use less stones and tank myself >:] Squishies + heals = 40s per restones D:
(Wasn't someone giving a gold? 'nother forum? Drat XD)

[piepiepiepie]

yay for heal aggro. Best in the world. Chain cast recover steals stupid amounts of aggro

[RikoRain]

Well mate, i hear u there... i've been mostlie on so kq mini d now and i alwiz see fighters, mages leeching like lots.... **archers are still acceptable since the afk and just shoot away the whole time "u notice when their sp dont go down" ** but owh well, i understand how u fell in lots of ways...

But the main thing that people are so dependent on the cleric because they are a super vital asset in keeping the pt or the kq alive... Of course, i've been to some kqs and pt without clerics at all and we still get the work done... but the clerics are still a vital asset... and with them it makes all the things way easier....

So, relax mate... dont fret!!! live on with it... if they dont need u... then dont pt them... if u dont feel like healing people dont pt... or get in a pt with 2-3 cleric and talk to them about who heals and who heals... its all about strategie and cooperation and understanding... i mean if everyone is hard headed... then nothing could be accomplished right..?

Ye but still, you gotta admit:
In KQ you pt a cleic for the buffs and heals.
They cant attack well (trust me, lv 81 cleric talking here, and Im probably one of the top 3 who hit the hardest and do the most dmg)
At lv 50 or so they can barely tank, and only if their stats are just right
They cant long range

So whats there left? HEALS.

I personally boot and then point out to the k the cleric who is NOT being a cleric.
I had ne guy say once he was a tank. We told him to make a fighter, and he said plainly that he was a cleric "just to heal me". stating "just because I can tank and heal myself and you cant, doesnt mean I can heal you".

Course we just start insulting them that they dont know what "heal" skill is.

[Synthetic_Sheep]

yay for heal aggro. Best in the world. Chain cast recover steals stupid amounts of aggro

I never even thought of chain casting heals until you suggested it not too long ago. XD

This reminds me of when I didn't know I could "cancel" participation in a KQ until I was level.....71. (1 level ago rofl).

[marilyne]

I think for a pt, everyone have to do their part, tanker keep aggro, dds kill fast, it will be easier for the cleric. If the tanker lure like nobody's business, the cleric will be in trouble after healing you for the 2nd time cause the mobs will start running towards him/er. (talking about squishy cleric like myself who only has a shield that is +2). BAM!!! All dies. Free scrolls to nowhere.
Clerics are a great class and we need them (not talking about those that doesn't heal and keep attacking even though their weps are so dull).
Thank you clerics :D

[geteausan]

at least most people here get it that when someone dies its automaticly blame cleric time excuse. i get this on a daily basis. someone blamed me for not healing them when i had 3 monsters who deal 200+ damage attacking me and they died and said "*** is your problem???? why didnt you heal me???" i told them after i finished the monsters off "Gee why do you think i couldnt heal you? DEE DEE DEE!!! its just people are so mental to think the cleric should heal them when the cleric is under attack by multiple monsters, and think they are the only ones who matter. if the cleric cant risk it people should understand it before we play the blame game. this is why i rarely party with people, if i heal someone its because i care that they dont die and plus as some of you all said its in the job discription.

[DF001]

I think for a pt, everyone have to do their part, tanker keep aggro, dds kill fast, it will be easier for the cleric. If the tanker lure like nobody's business, the cleric will be in trouble after healing you for the 2nd time cause the mobs will start running towards him/er. (talking about squishy cleric like myself who only has a shield that is +2). BAM!!! All dies. Free scrolls to nowhere.
Clerics are a great class and we need them (not talking about those that doesn't heal and keep attacking even though their weps are so dull).
Thank you clerics :D

archers pulls = cleric heals = cleric gets only 10% of the mobs = no deaths

I don't party fighters lol.

[DF001]

at least most people here get it that when someone dies its automaticly blame cleric time excuse. i get this on a daily basis. someone blamed me for not healing them when i had 3 monsters who deal 200+ damage attacking me and they died and said "*** is your problem???? why didnt you heal me???" i told them after i finished the monsters off "Gee why do you think i couldnt heal you? DEE DEE DEE!!! its just people are so mental to think the cleric should heal them when the cleric is under attack by multiple monsters, and think they are the only ones who matter. if the cleric cant risk it people should understand it before we play the blame game. this is why i rarely party with people, if i heal someone its because i care that they dont die and plus as some of you all said its in the job discription.

hp stone. kthxbai.

[elynsysnos]

...someone blamed me for not healing them when i had 3 monsters who deal 200+ damage attacking me and they died and said "*** is your problem???? why didnt you heal me???" i told them after i finished the monsters off...

I've been in situations like that, luckily only in KKP, my cleric always ended up spam healing the tanker/squishy party, so when Mara/Marlone would spawn from Phino, insta-aggro. My cleric is squishy, only 2.9k-3k hp, hits from Mara/Marlone at the same time bring her down to about 300hp. But I never stopped healing my party, I'd heal while running { ♥ ♥ ♥That bug}, and mash hp stones and pots, generally another class notices after 20-30secs and pulls aggro off of you.

If it's an aoe party in w/e map, the cleric really needs to tell the party something like, "Hey look, try to keep all aggro off of me, it's difficult trying to keep all of you alive when I'm taking heavy dmg too. Dead clerics can't heal~" and if ya do happen to take aggro later on, a quick "Take aggro" between heals should do the trick. :x If you don't point out that you have aggro {sometimes tankers forget to watch pt bars @_@;}, how else are ya gonna fix the issue other than letting your pt die while you slowly kill off some mobs~

[marilyne]

DF001, you should get some life outside abyss. lol.
You're like living in the barbie world of fiesta xD

[DF001]

DF001, you should get some life outside abyss. lol.
You're like living in the barbie world of fiesta xD

oh yea im going to aoe bcts and get no drops at all, lame exp and get pwned by their high damage >>

[CCL225]

Vers, if you're in an aoe party, and you aren't decked in +9s, you'll really *need* cleric heals. [/example]

Stone cool time and even pot cool time kills.

well..in this case ill suggest either you dun aoe or surround a group of mob just nice for you to handle


:3
<--- very into this topic.

TOO many clerics shouldn't be clerics. There are TOO many that literally stand around talking, and only heal you after you've spammed stones and pots for the past ten years, and you're finally down to like, 250hp. Yet the second the cleric takes dmg they spam heal themselves like no tomorrow. If you ask for them to start healing, even politely, you get "I'M NOT A SLAVE" thrown into your face, its like, ok no heals then I don't tank or deal damage.

The complaints are aimed only at the clerics that don't even attempt to play their roles.

The ones that try and get hit by lag, or even too much dmg VS heal cool times, those are good clerics. If someone dies but the cleric was seriously trying, then why complain. Could've been stuck spamming hp stones and pots with a cleric that stood off to the side asking why you die so much. :x

lol.......i agree....but clerics are human too...they are not always good nor always bad. some clerics were good in lvl 30-50, and bad after 60s(like myself who is used to solo-ing after 60) and some are bad clerics at the beginning and became good now coz they learn.

like i said before, practices and getting used is the key to a good class(any class)



well, Wat i do in a Big aoe party for eg. 2 mages and 1 archer and 1 warrior. I'll still be the clank. Coz, it would be easier for me if i heal myself. Am not a full end build cleric but i rather be the main clank. I'll spam awaken, aoe heal and big heals on myself. So everyone will be free from mobs and i can concentrate on healing on myself. So no noob clerics no complains of dying of pt memebers. Healing on 1 is so much better than to handle 4 ppl at a time. so if u want to pt me. I call the shot. I'm the main clank! :P Aoe only when i get full aggros! If they choose to aggro their mobs and i am unable to heal fast enough.. Just sorry..

haha...good point...this was what i did when i lvled my fighter when he was lvl30+ and i was lvl40+(he lvled me to 40+ before he left for fighter)



Boring...... only aoe in abyss..? LoLz that's not much fun... Well in the case of me warrior and scout... i mostly aoe alone in the abyss... and still do fine... well of course with t3s def, vit and evasion, with speed.... but the downside is t3 pots hp goes down fast that way... but awesome xp and drops lolz... i usually take both upper rooms in the level 60 abyss... so much fun hehehehe.... But still after a while..... BORING....


U are super good in knowing how much you can handle and how much your cleric can handle.(though i still dun like to be in party with you^^) but at least you do try and test before you go, you inform and tell before you lure, and you will be alive coz u did all that.(though i think you died once)




I hate other partys and I hate having to get 2 clerics to the party, waste of a spot and exp..

(erm...that's if the cleric is willing to have a full DD party)


I remember partys that I wouldn't even get heals when pulling

(talking about me? =P true...i dun heal when my lurer is pulling....coz most ask me not to as ill lure spawns instead)


I love Dr Dominoes. Never used a stone or died once on a party with him.
He could handle 4 squishy DDs...

Well...not everyone is Dr Dominoes...Try to remember that when you try other parties. (and ya...u died twice coz i rezed you...while rezing i was considering giving up the rez coz i know you will die again, but it's too late to stop then >< *and what i thought reali happened =P hehehe*)

either you try to remember that or DO NOT ever ask for party from others besides Dr Dominoes^^



What i do...i do not ask for party from others(except for 4 people whom I will definitely ask when they are online, namely Violet_X*though i try to leech around her =P* and Harle, (seems they 2 pampers me too much), JiuLei and Bluryello-pretty good people to duo with)...so if u die, blame yourself for asking me to join u in party(this sounds harsh...sorry...though ill still try to do my job)...ill normally reject if im not in the mood to heal though.

and coz of that i forgot how to heal >< (misses party with Harle T_T)

[DF001]

(erm...that's if the cleric is willing to have a full DD party)

(talking about me? =P true...i dun heal when my lurer is pulling....coz most ask me not to as ill lure spawns instead)

Well...not everyone is Dr Dominoes...Try to remember that when you try other parties. (and ya...u died twice coz i rezed you...while rezing i was considering giving up the rez coz i know you will die again, but it's too late to stop then >< *and what i thought reali happened =P hehehe*)

either you try to remember that or DO NOT ever ask for party from others besides Dr Dominoes^^



What i do...i do not ask for party from others(except for 4 people whom I will definitely ask when they are online, namely Violet_X(though i try to leech ard her =P), Harle, JiuLei and Bluryello-pretty good people to duo with)...so if u die, blame yourself for asking me to join u in party(this sounds harsh...sorry...though ill still try to do my job)...ill normally reject if im not in the mood to heal though.

and coz of that i forgot how to heal ><


1. what?

2. noob pullers...and no i wasn't singling out one person, I partyed with many clerics than don't bother healing me when im pulling

3. I only partyed with 3 good clerics in my abyss life.

MAV_XR
baci
Dr_Dominoes

too bad they all 7x now..

[CCL225]

erm...on topic:


As i seen in vent thread people seem to blaming cleric for not healing.

A cleric will get this kind of command " BUFF" "HEAL " "REV" wherever they are, either they are grinding or afk at towns. There are some who asking nicely, but not to many who prefer to do that.

Not to mention, when in kq if the party consist of other class and cleric, it seem ok for other class to afk. But when a cleric need to handle something in real life which only take 2 minutes, he or she will get accuse as leeching. I even had a very bad experience when i use my cleric to go into KQ. sometimes unseen things happen in real life when you decide to join KQ. Most of my time, i wouldn't join kq if i need to handle something in real life.

And what make i'm so mad is one of my party member decide to get killed than use his pots/stones when the cleric not around. And the whole kq, one of the party member which is a mage afk whole kq. Most of cleric decide to be a lone because other people keep treating them bad.

And for those who keep flaming the cleric who not healing, just realize the community of people who create this unhealing cleric. Some are just give up of being good cleric because they will treat as useless slave whose job only healing.:(

well...everyone remembers bad things...and they complain more than they compliment. people are like that...they complain in public and compliment in private messages.

from person opinion, do not expect them to praise you. Try to remember the last time you said good tanking to a tanker, good aoe to an archer or a mage. I do remember getting people telling me thank you for healing. Those who did are all in my flist.

I always tell people that ill kill you at least once in an aoe duo/party...to let them be prepared....and it seems that way all the time ever since i have aoe heal. Never once has there been a party ill heal without the wrong skill >< and end up panicking on what to do next. Seems i work better without too many skills^^

Ill take this chance to say thank you for those who understood me (you know who you are) and sorry for those whom i killed*not in kq*(though not many, people i remembered are l_daxin_l, Violet_X and Harle whom i got them killed like 20-30 times already, _CareBear_ and Teddie_Tales whom i got them killed less than 3times(and i swear to myself not to party again*personally not blacklisting*), and alucardxX(the fighter) whom im super sorry for some reasons i cant remember offhand. Tell me if i left you out^^)

[DF001]

erm...on topic:



well...everyone remembers bad things...and they complain more than they compliment. people are like that...they complain in public and compliment in private messages.

from person opinion, do not expect them to praise you. Try to remember the last time you said good tanking to a tanker, good aoe to an archer or a mage. I do remember getting people telling me thank you for healing. Those who did are all in my flist.

I always tell people that ill kill you at least once in an aoe duo/party...to let them be prepared....and it seems that way all the time ever since i have aoe heal. Never once has there been a party ill heal without the wrong skill >< and end up panicking on what to do next. Seems i work better without too many skills^^

Ill take this chance to say thank you for those who understood me (you know who you are) and sorry for those whom i killed*not in kq*(though not many, people i remembered are l_daxin_l, Violet_X and Harle whom i got them killed like 20-30 times already, _CareBear_ and Teddie_Tales whom i got them killed less than 3times(and i swear to myself not to party again*personally not blacklisting*), and alucardxX(the fighter) whom im super sorry for some reasons i cant remember offhand. Tell me if i left you out^^)

you could take off some skills from the skill bar..that may help

[CCL225]

good idea^^ i tried...didnt help ><

but thanks for the suggestion

[bluryellow]

With the lag situation now, its difficult to know if your pt members are still alive including oneself. So let's be more understanding with each class, we just want to be happy playing the game, not stressing oneself ^^

[DF001]

With the lag situation now, its difficult to know if your pt members are still alive including oneself. So let's be more understanding with each class, we just want to be happy playing the game, not stressing oneself ^^

No excuse, my cleric could keep a party full of DDs right after the server move.

We barely used stones.

[programmer579]

... well then i guess ur cleric just plain pwns :p
[not as much as mine ;) lol]

[Archaonn]

First of all, english is not my main language so i'm sorry for other who get annoyed with improper grammar in here. As i seem in vent thread people seem to blaming cleric for not healing. I myself annoyed when i party with a cleric who does not healing or helping at all. But in other hand, i understand why this kind of people exist. Anyone will get annoyed when they been ordered around to do thing. A cleric will get this kind of command " BUFF" "HEAL " "REV" wherever they are, either they are grinding or afk at towns. There are some who asking nicely, but not to many who prefer to do that.

Not to mention, when in kq if the party consist of other class and cleric, it seem ok for other class to afk. But when a cleric need to handle something in real life which only take 2 minutes, he or she will get accuse as leeching. I even had a very bad experience when i use my cleric to go into KQ. sometimes unseen things happen in real life when you decide to join KQ. Most of my time, i wouldn't join kq if i need to handle something in real life.

And what make i'm so mad is one of my party member decide to get killed than use his pots/stones when the cleric not around. And the whole kq, one of the party member which is a mage afk whole kq. Most of cleric decide to be a lone because other people keep treating them bad.

And for those who keep flaming the cleric who not healing, just realize the community of people who create this unhealing cleric. Some are just give up of being good cleric because they will treat as useless slave whose job only healing.:(

wat

anyway the tank is the most important party member the rest are worthless and can be easily replaced. For the dps i like to bring a lvl 1 newbie to show that it can do dps too and for the healers i will kick you and get someone who makes potions

[programmer579]

@Archaonn: don't be rude ... lvl 1 can't do anything in a pty of "high lvls" ... there is no "most" important, for the most part you need each class to kq successfully ... although that isn't the case with all kqs. Pots/Stones, while they have a fairly fast cd time, can only be used so fast and in limited amounts ...

@ChildofFire: I understand what ur saying ... clerics take a lot of crapp from ppl sometimes ... but there are times when other classes get blamed for things too ^^ just do ur best and ignore any insults they send your way ... it's inevitable that those who do not understand clerics will blame them in those situations ^_^

[DF001]

@Archaonn: don't be rude ... lvl 1 can't do anything in a pty of "high lvls" ... there is no "most" important, for the most part you need each class to kq successfully ... although that isn't the case with all kqs. Pots/Stones, while they have a fairly fast cd time, can only be used so fast and in limited amounts ...


no he r jus trollin

[elynsysnos]

well..in this case ill suggest either you dun aoe or surround a group of mob just nice for you to handle
When I still played I knew full well what I could and couldn't handle. Once they increased the cap to 89, I rarely ever partied a cleric when I was aoeing. It was me {tanker}, 3 mages, and a wildcard {archer or a dd warrior}. Died only once out of all those aoes because my stones and pots glitched, had to relog so they would work. -.-;


lol.......i agree....but clerics are human too...they are not always good nor always bad. some clerics were good in lvl 30-50, and bad after 60s(like myself who is used to solo-ing after 60) and some are bad clerics at the beginning and became good now coz they learn.

like i said before, practices and getting used is the key to a good class(any class)
I think you missed my point. I stated that a lot of clerics just stand around talking, or even using the dance emotes while their pt is dying, and only heal maybe once or twice the entire time, yet if they so much as get hit once, spam heal central on themselves~. I don't believe that has anything to do with skill, as they're not even using any. If they're not going to play their class then they shouldn't've chosen it. Simple as that. :3

And no, when it comes to talking about clerics, I'm not just talking outta my ****, I have a "higher" level cleric too, and no, I'm not being "elitist" by mentioning it. -.- It just shows that I at least know the ups and downs of being a cleric, soloer or full support, and that I'm not just screaming "STUPID CLERIC HEAL! DO YOUR DAMN JOB!1!!!~!1" -.-