Urgent Attention! Vit[2] Scam has become a serious problem and its not Funny!

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

Hello there, thank you for reading this post. I might've posted in the wrong category but whatver, as long as everyone gets this message, I need you all to help spread it out and make sure no one else fall for such horrible scam!

I've taken a screenshot, it is attached with this thread.

This person has opened a vendor with this Vitality[2] scroll marked with the price of 1.5G. please NOTE: >in the scrolls text description, there is NOT a single word about PRODUCTION, so dont think its a Vit[Tier2] production scroll!!!< This scroll he/she is selling is actually the level 30 Warrior skill, it is sold in eld warrior master. Normal Vit[2] Production scroll is worth more than 2G, the reason this item is only marked 1.5G it is to make you feel the urge to buy it and resell, so you can make more money, most people havent read the text below the scroll title and just right clicked. This screenshot was taken 2 hours before the scroll was sold, I know it was sold becase when I got back to Eld and check this person's vendor out, the scroll was gone.

I can only attach 19.4kb sized pic, so its a small crop screenshot, but I still hope everyone knows this is happening and we need to be aware of it!~


Have a Great day and Enjoy Fiesta! :) we'll see again in Teva's Marketplace.

[ironde]

wow..it's almost the same as t2 vit prod...thanks for the post +rep for you ^^

[Orchids_Mantis]

Yeah, the vit scams have been around a while, most people on the forums know about them. You are right that if it doesn't say it is a production skill, then it is the fighter skill (something OS changed a while back to cut down on the vit2 scams; originally, they had the exact same name, only the picture on the book in the vendor was different).

Note, however, that there are 2 ways a fighter's vit2 skill can be considered a scam in the gane: The first, and most obvious, is to advertise it as a scroll production skill. Howver, as many people have begun simply saying "OMG VIT 2!!" in their vendors to claim they weren't misleading players when angry GMs showed up; it was decided a while back that if a player tries to sell it for more than 100 silver, the player is trying to scam as well in the hopes the buyer assumes it is the production scroll.


Send the full screenshot (with the player's name and server info) in with a report and OS will do what they can (jail or deletion, most likely).

[lenore_lurks]

These scams happen, sometimes more frequently and sometimes not. I think I saw a thread on this exact topic once before, and the OP had a screenie with 5 people selling this scroll as the production scroll. That was probably when it was at it's worst.

Did you happen to get a screenie of the shop as well? If the shop title said that it was a production scroll, then I suggest you said it to fiesta_help and the person will be delt with. Unfortunately, if there was no text indicating this was a production scroll, then there's nothing that can be done.

Everyone must remain vigillant and have their wits about them when going shopping. But unless there is direct evidence of a scam, then it's really up to the players to make the decision to buy or not to buy - a player can place any item at any price they want.


EDIT: well it seems Orchids and I have differing opinions on if this will be taken as a scam or not. If it is possible, s0ul, for you to maybe let us know the outcome of this? I wasn't aware that there was a 100s maximum.

[Orchids_Mantis]

As I said in my last post, Outspark decided that selling the fighter skill for more than 100 silver was an attempt to scam ithe skill as the production scroll. This player is selling it for 1.5 gold -well over 100 silver, so the player can still be reported and punished for attempting to scam.

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

where do I send it? lol.. I only Joined fiesta for 10 days.. I dont know about alot of the features :P

[lenore_lurks]

Send a PM to 'fiesta_help'. That is basically an open mailbox for all of the GM's and is the best way to communicate these types of issues.

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

I got the full screenshot btw but I just cant upload the whole thing up here.. its like 111kb :/ but his shop only says " All for sale" and my point of posting is just to let people know the difference, cuz I know nothing can be done at this stage. <.<

[Orchids_Mantis]

I copied and pasted from a post with a CSR talking about bots:


You can send these reports directly to Fiesta_Help or to support@outspark.com.




btw:
Fiesta_Help is a PM box




edit: dang...lenore beat me to it

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

thanks Mantis :D

[KateeHellen]

T2 Vitality production is one of the oldest scamm in Fiesta history.
And i remember posts suggested that OS should add this production scroll to regular sell by for example Nina in Eldy.
I personally think that setting t2 vitality production as monster drop <and to be honest faster Gold Slime will drop gold lumps as any other mob will drop this almoust miticall production scroll> was a mistake.
But yes... we still need to be very cautious when come to vendoring because like nice sentence say... "Haste is only a Silvers waste":)

EDIT: And +Rep for OP for being cautious :)

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

:) thanks for supporting my post~
I just sent the screenshot to support@outspark.com. :D

[drigr_x]

* Vendoring Scams: If you discover a vendor falsely advertising items (scrolls, weapons, etc.) they should be reported, with screenshots, to support (http://support.outspark.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit) (please make sure the attachments are not more than 2 MB or your email will be discarded). Please understand a vendor has the right to set any price for any item he/she desires; it is the purchaser’s responsibility to ensure the sale is what they want prior to making the purchase. This particular scam comes into effect when a vendor advertises, for example, a Vitality Production scroll for a certain price but in actuality is selling Vitality skill scrolls for said price. If you come across a vendor you believe falls under this example please report them. All sales are final, so again, be aware of what you are buying before completing the purchase.


This is from Joker in his thread on Scams, Scammers, and you. I highlighted the main point to this.

[JohnNitro]

Is this really a scam or a case of mistaking an item for something else?

Just asking as I have yet to see this.

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

yeah it is a real scam, it confuses people because not many know what's really written in the vit[2] production scroll. be sware to tell the difference, if the description of the scroll doesnt have ' Production' and it sells more than 100s, then its a definitely scam, cuz thats just a lvl 30 Fighter skill. 100s is already a rip. :/ npc sells cheap..

[sirviney]

yeah it is a real scam, it confuses people because not many know what's really written in the vit[2] production scroll. be sware to tell the difference, if the description of the scroll doesnt have ' Production' and it sells more than 100s, then its a definitely scam, cuz thats just a lvl 30 Fighter skill. 100s is already a rip. :/ npc sells cheap..

No - Per what Joker says and how the shop is set up, this is not a scam and the person is merely selling T2 vit scrolls for 1.5G.

It is the purchaser’s responsibility to ensure the sale is what they want prior to making the purchase.

In the shop the person said he is selling T2 vit scrolls, he mentioned nothing about t2 production scrolls therefore this is not a scam and should not be dealt with as such.

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

:/ I dont see why shouldn't I be warning people about it anyway... there might be previous posts about this issue, but I just want everyone to be cautious when they see Vit[2] for sale, think twice before buying it Just in cases its a fake

[Orchids_Mantis]

Is this really a scam or a case of mistaking an item for something else?

Just asking as I have yet to see this.




This is the third time in two pages I've posted this...and the last time I'll post it here:

It was announced by Outspark staff -after they added the "production skill" to the vitality production scroll's name- that selling the fighter's Vitality2 skill for more than 100 silver without putting in the shop name or advertisement that it :

A) was the fighter skill
or B) was NOT the production skill,

would be considered as selling with the intent to scam the Vitality2 fighter skill as the vitality2 production skill.

Players who do this are able to be reported and/or punished just as though they had advertised that the item was the production skill.

Now, if the person is selling Vit2 for 50s, and you buy it thinking it is the potion scroll being sold cheap; that is not a scam, that is mistaking one item for another. The only scams that can be done are:

1) advertising for 1 price and selling/buying for another when vending

2) Advertising one item when selling an item that appears similar but is not the same (Vit2, slimejelly/minislime pet, the wedding flower petal quest, and more recently the wedding invitation/wedding voucher are 4 big scams that have been done in Fiesta before)

3) This is a special add-on that to my knowledge is only given to the Vitality2 scam because of its common sighting: Selling the Vit2 fighter skill for more than 100 silver WITHOUT STATING IT IS THE FIGHTER SKILL.

If the player states that it is the fighter skill, they can sell it for 2g (no one will buy it, but they can try to sell it for that), but if they just say Vit2, or Vit2 skill and sell for more than 100 silver, it is considered a scam.



edit: If a GM, CSR or CL would confirm this it would be nice, as some don't seem to believe me...I remember the announcement in the forums, and don't recall any announcement having been made undoing that post...

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

thanks again Mantis :)

[Mordriss]

I found one too at E4 (in eldy) last night. He had it vendor entitled Vitality 2 SKILL as though he were trying to cover his bum...But he was selling for 2.1 gold. I have those screenshots and will report him, i guess.

He's a low level p;ayer I've seen around a bit. Pm me if you want his name for your "know who the scammers are" file. ^^ Can't blacklist in public, but I can sure as heck do what I want with my private messages!

[Poisoned77]

OK, to clear some stuff up.

It is not a scam if it just says Vit. scroll or vitality 2/3. As long as the vendor is advertising what they are actually selling they have the right to set whatever price they want for it. It is up to the consumer to recognize what they are buying and for how much.

The ONLY time it is a scam is if they say in their shop title "Vit production" or "Vit Tier2 production" and they are in fact selling the vitality fighter skill.

It's too much of a fine line to police whether somebody is scamming just because they set a high price, or because they forgot to specify whether it is vitality skill or vitality production.

A lot of people seem to be confused on what is or is not a Vitality skill scroll scam. I'm here to help you!

Now...
When you think you've found a scam on the Vitality skill scroll.. Follow these steps on what to do next.

1. Look at the store title.
Does it say "recipe", "prod", "production skill"?

If it just says "Vit 2/3" or "Vitality 2/3", forget it. You can't report it unfortunately. Even if they are selling the fighter skill for 500s, its up to the players to not get ripped off. Its like the Scion commercial! Just a little tweak can change the entire thing.


If the store title does say recipe, prod, or production. Read on.

2. Look at the skill and the price.
If the title says its a production skill being sold, check the actual scroll.

If it is a production skill, it will say production on it. And it will look like this:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/594/screenshot000ir7.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9020/screenshot004aq1.jpg

NOT THIS
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8558/screenshot001kq6.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9238/screenshot003zm5.jpg


But also check the name of the skill, just in case someone is trying to scam you with another production skill scroll.


3. Take action.
All in all, if the shop title does not match the skill scroll in the shop, you have a scam.

PM any of the GMs (Fiesta_Help) on the forums with a clear screenshot of the scam.
DO NOT post a thread on the forums. That is not needed.


Tip: I suggest saying in shout "_______ is selling a scammed Vitality scroll, do not buy it" a few times, just to warn people. Do not spam it!

If you have any more questions, please ask in this thread!

[Orchids_Mantis]

Ah, so they did decide to stop the Vit2 reporting by price as well as title, then?


Okay...I must have missed that. Sorry to those who may have gotten confused then :(

[fre_ak]

ohh lol thats a very old scam XD
remember i bought 2 of that...lost 700s T_T (700s was a lot at that time)

GM kinda fix it by changing the look of the production skills and we dont need to be lvl30 to learn them

[sirviney]

Your GIF is scary...

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

that GiF is maaaad.. It's Madness I tell ya :D


"This is Madness!" - messenger
"Madness?.... THIS IS SPARTA!!!" - Sparta

:D

[Celtic_Princess]

Ah, so they did decide to stop the Vit2 reporting by price as well as title, then?


Okay...I must have missed that. Sorry to those who may have gotten confused then :(

I'm not entirely sure, I sent a screenie in earlier today, they said it was still a scam but they do want screenies of the shop name as well. in this case the shop name was just Vit t2, but they were selling it for 1g, and admitted in another screenie that they were scamming. So...we'll see.

[Poisoned77]

Of course, I am not saying that selling a vitality skill for 1g is a nice thing to do. I think it's underhanded and low to try and sell something that far over its real value.

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

D: ok.. its not a scam then.. but still.. I just want everyone to know about it and be more cautious in game.. cuz not everyone can tell the difference between the Fighter skil and the REAL Vit[2] Production scroll <.<

It's not i am jealous that those people can make like heaps of money by selling fake scrolls, its just I feel sorry for those who actually bought it and thinks they can make money out of it... 1G or 1.5G isnt easy to make :(

[ownbusiness]

I'm not entirely sure, I sent a screenie in earlier today, they said it was still a scam but they do want screenies of the shop name as well. in this case the shop name was just Vit t2, but they were selling it for 1g, and admitted in another screenie that they were scamming. So...we'll see.

Okay well heres the thing. They said that is a scam because the person wrote vit "t"2 . If they didn't add the t2 and just wrote vit 2 then it wouldn't be a scam. It's really the way they set their stalls up that classifies it as a scam or not.

[otterfactory]

Honestly, if you are at the point in the game were you have 1g and are still falling for a Vit2 scam, you are probably pretty dense ._.

Maybe I overestimate how observant people are or should be but it certainly didn't take me more than 1 look at the scroll to know that something was different.

Maybe they should just change the name to "Vitality STR Increase 2 Skill". That would idiot-proof it...maybe >.>

[onionbear]

Do you really believe this seller thinks the skill is worth 1.5g? He is obviously aware of the similarities and is trying to pass it off as a production skill.
Immoral? Yeah!
Illegal? Maybe not.

It is nice to know of these things though. I am reasonably new to the game and was not aware of this fighter skill so a post here is most welcome.

I am surprised by the incredible rarity of these learning scrolls, vitality and shield. The drop rate is ridiculously low. Should be a purchasable item, for fame or silver. That would stop the nonsense.

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

well if its purchasable then T2 production stage would be too easy and that's gonna kill some fun out of the game. :/ I just hope people know about the existance of this Fighter skill and Vit[2] Production frauds.. I am not really reporting anyone here.

[soulowner]

I vote for ban ip for them, its clearly the intention of that people, its a scam.

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

thank you for supporting this thread soul :D we're both souls :P

[KireiYosei]

I vote for ban ip for them, its clearly the intention of that people, its a scam.

IP banning could be an issue.

[s0ul-r3ap3r]

well as long as everyone knows how to identify the difference between these two Scrolls, such Fraud will be useless to us, so I'll regularly refresh this post :/

To all new players, please think twice before you buy anything with a price that you aren't sure about, often people gets their items sold over priced is due to the fact that new players dont know the true value of it and still bought them.

my point is.. if its something 1 silver or 2 then its not much of a big deal, but when it moves to the next unit: Gold, which is 1000 times more than a silver, its a problem we should really be aware of, I feel sorry for the person who bought the scroll I have in the screenshot when I posted this. :(