Why is there a 2h sword *not talking about axs*

[flipso2]

what is the point of using a 2h sword:confused::confused::confused: to me its like a wanna be ax yet a wanna be sword. if you want the damadge from it, y dont people just use an ax? Can someone explain to me when is it you would use a 2h sword.

[Celtic_Princess]

The 2h has a higher attack speed. And some people prefer the look.

[zues8844]

Some of us prefer to go ALL the way to look like Dakkon -.-

[Dou_Maxwell]

If u compare a 2h sword w/ an axe, the difference is a 2h sword has higher attack rate, higher aim, higher dmg than 1h but less than axe. while axe has lower attack rate, lower aim, higher crit and has the strongest dmg among them. if u use 2h's u will have a higher chance of hitting ur opponent than axe since it has higher aim and u can also attack faster the an axe.

[Chaola]

Actually there is no point to the 2h

Even with it's higher speed, in a lapse of time it doesn't beat the axe... And when you think you spam skills that don't take in account the weapon's speed, you have a useless 2h

Appart from the looks that's it...

[shadow_destination]

The 2-handed sword has a better attack speed and looks better xD

[thechaz]

ill tell u the reasons ot use a 2h
faster attack rate
higher aim
hits in between skills
sone of the time has the same crit as an axe
and the look alot better so tbh i like them over axes

[xavier_swift]

I personally think the 2h sword should be replaced with sort of dual blade set-up. It can have the same type of attack rate and dmg, but add some defense onto them to make up for the lack of a shield.

[sk8ters_can_tank]

Its attacks fast... (I like):D
The look pwn... Hanging over ur shoulder;)

[allyyCORE]

ill tell u the reasons ot use a 2h
faster attack rate
higher aim
hits in between skills
sone of the time has the same crit as an axe
and the look alot better so tbh i like them over axes

not good enough!

here are the reasons as to why yours are flawed:

1.attack rate doesn't make up the dmg done by axe
2. higher aim? use a t1 aim. yeah, a t1.
3. same as no.1
4. same critical... only when the axe sucks lol
5. you obviously haven't touched a GH or a blue axe...

[Sybraton]

>.> simple reason....

wht ppl like to use,they'll use jus dat....so since they prefer 2hnd over an axe or 1hnd they'll use a 2hnd...

[thechaz]

yes but the hits between skills that a 2h can do but an axe cant matches the dmg

[Hemmes]

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110449
Not that many people use it as you can see. It does kinda look cooler so for the lower lvls, i can imagine why you'd use it :)

[love-loves]

2h is there cuz for people who are DD

[Kunminshin]

Bottom line is looks. The only way I can see a 2h being equal to the overall dps of an axe is if you're a full STR build and you solo in a high respawn area. Meaning you never stop to rest or stop and wait for that extra 3-4 seconds after you kill a mob for your cooltime to catch up before you attack another mob.

Personally I am a LV 52, 25 SPR rest STR Axe wielder with a 35% crit rate with completed license. I just wanna cap as fast as possible. When I cap I will use SC to switch to full END s/s user or full STR 2h user since leveling at a high pace won't matter anymore

Even now I solo Blue Trumpies and I kill them in one set of skill spamming and when I AoE solo them I spam my skills differently so there isn't much time between CT, so 2h is worthless outside of looks

[DF001]

2h female fighters are hawt? :D

[leobaloy]

2h is just for looks <__<||
nuff said ||>__>
if you really want to do damge that's what an axe is for
<--needs new siggy =___=

[vonartrix]

blue 2h looks damn awesome, it makes most younger(lower lv) players go, WOW i want one of those when im grow up!!!(lv up that is)

[Chaola]

*nods*

I know that I dropped a crappy 2h, tried it on to see how cool it looked, but it threathened to cut my hair, so I NPCed and got back to my faithful axe

*pets lovingly her axe*

[MMORPGNERD]

2h= fail
u want speed and aim go to a 1h... at least there u get defense
u want dmg and crit go to an axe... at least there u get power

[Terranwolf]

TBH, I think there was originally going to be a 2H for slashing damage, and axe for crushing. At least, that's how I would have done it.
But they ended up just having it physical damage.

[leoandpop]

psssht THE 2H IS THE AWESOMENESS IT PWNSS IT HITS FASTER DOES NORMAL AXE DAMAGE IN 2 HITS AND YOU DONT NEED TO WAIST MONEY BUYING T1 STUFF THE AXE LOOKS LAME ANYHOW AND YOU SHOULD SEE SOME LVL 70-89 AXES PLUS HAVING THE BEST FIGHTER BUILD (DEX STR) YOURE FINE ITS COOOOOOL AND YOU HIT AND THE GUY MISSIS YOU HIT THE GUY MISSIS YOU MISS HE MISSIS.

[leoandpop]

lols sorry had a spas attack

[flipso2]

XD i never got a cummunity leader to post a post in my post XD

[Eziekial]

I know what you mean. Its dmg is actually lower than the axe below its lvl, which i dont understand.
It does have higher aim, and looks cool, but i wish the made it a little more appealing, of course it wont stop me from having fun with it.

Cause you just look nice with a big sword, it just screams i wont to kill things.

But yeah as far as DD goes an axe but i dont want them to replace the 2h sword, just make it stronger than the axe 10 lvls below it. XD

still axes ftw in power

[Blaxcalibur]

yes but the hits between skills that a 2h can do but an axe cant matches the dmg

sorry to burst your bubble but...axe does too

if your talking about doin normal damage while doing skill damage to..the axe does that

if your talking about normal attack while your skills are cooling down..experienced players know how to uhh..idk what to call it....attack cancel?

right after you do damage from a normal attack, start spamming skills. when your done your character will do about 2 or 3 fast normal attacks..2h cant match the axes damage unless the axe user is missing way more, but tbh..the extra aim from a 2h isnt much higher than a axes aim, but the axe obviously has way more damage

[yaseeda]

Well, listen here! I am lvl 60 (right now), i am hybried and my dmg is 1300 with +9 2h sword, i NEVER miss and dont use aim scrolls! My dmg is even higher then mage's dmg at same lvl, lvl 60 axe users have only 100-150 more dmg then me and i can own most of them, because they miss very often!
2h rule! if u disagree, find me in Epith (char name Yaseeda) and prove in pvp that i am wrong (of course if your lvl is near mine -:)
One more.... Killing Kidmon is VERY troublesome for axe users, if u saw him, u know what i mean -:) thats where 2h sword is irreplacable.

[Blaxcalibur]

eh...at lvl 60 my damage was 1600+...with barely any str in my gear..



One more.... Killing Kidmon is VERY troublesome for axe users, if u saw him, u know what i mean -:) thats where 2h sword is irreplacable.

LOL ask a lvl84 fighter how much easier it is to hit a kidmon just by switching to a 2h...that little bit of extra aim gets you nowhere

the guys your fighting arent missin because theyre using an axe and your using a 2h..theyre missing because you have more dex in your gear and/or build

if a 2h user and a axe user both use npc gear and weapons, and have the same build...the axe user will win..9/10 if not everytime (factors like failed debuffs/stun and crit frequency come into play)..

Info From Fiesta Wiki : Name/Level/Damage/Aim/Crit%/Attack Rate/Price

Titanic Sword/ 90/ 437~622/ 359/ 4%/ 1.3/ 890s <-- more aim

Viking Axe/ 70/ 490~678/ 230/ 5%/ 1.5/ 440s <-- more damage than the lvl90 2h and its lvl 70

Titanic Axe/ 90/ 685~949/ 314/ 5%/ 1.5/ 890s <-- 327 more damage and only 45 less aim...

[Chaola]

What, this is still going on ???

Everyone know that the Axe pawns it all

The end.

[yaseeda]

I hate when ppl just say "Axe rule, 2h sucks"....
I still wanna try to spare with any "super axe user" from this thread, anybody from Epith and lvl 6x there? +9 axe is a MUST BE, either way the battle will not be fair.

Also i agree that axe is better choice if u are DD.... But for hybried like me 2h is much more balanced weapon, it has no strong points but no weak points also.

[Eziekial]

As I said, its true every point most ppl made, and Axes as a 2h for DD is the best, and sometimes its crit is insane with an axe. The aim in a 2h sword really doesnt match that of an axe and the nore does the time it takes to attack with each. In an earlier thread long ago, someone actually mathmatically calculated how an axe is more effective than a 2h sword. I would like them to revamp the 2h swords to be a little stronger, cause its kinda silly to have a 2h sword at lvl 90 when a lvl 70 axe is stronger than a lvl 90 2h sword.
All great points, but no matter what axes are the best damage dealing weapon in fiesta as far as physical power goes.

[Eziekial]

sorry for grammer errors or anything that sounds dumb in my earlier comment

[thechaz]

seee now a 2h can double hit unlike an axe ( do i have to keep spamming this) when u go from skill to skill u dont get a hit inbetween with an axe but u do with a 2h like 1h for fighters and bow for archers

[DARUNA]

Now dont go hating on 2h swords,i love em and use em even at 60,they look nice,they are faster than axes and my high crit build combined with a high spr on a lvl 60 2h can do a whole lotta dmg.Not to mention you look like a total bad person(for the ladies who love 2hs like me :D)Now dont get me wrong,axes are nice DD weps,but accuracy is their flaw since they are powerful.2hs are for the balanced people who like the look of a giant 60+ pound sword on their shoulder.I love 2hs,thats my opinion ^^

[leobaloy]

i've said it before, they just look cool >.>
i have mine for show, i use my axe when i'm in pvp/questing

[jordix]

ima likes the way a 2h sword looks but i only use it in pvp to kill lower lvls because if im to use a 2h on some1 of me same lvl i will most likely lose>< unless the 2h is +9 then i might have a chance. but still a 2h is not the best option to kill mobs in places were mobs hits u by 102~200 cuz u will only will b wasting pots due to the mad drop of ur def

[strawrberry]

not good enough!

here are the reasons as to why yours are flawed:

1.attack rate doesn't make up the dmg done by axe
2. higher aim? use a t1 aim. yeah, a t1.
3. same as no.1
4. same critical... only when the axe sucks lol
5. you obviously haven't touched a GH or a blue axe...

But you are shown holding a 2h in your sig =.=.....

[Damnecro]

All I know is that my belly is full of laughter when I see a guy with an axe begging the people in the KQ for an Aim scroll.











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6x warrior Teva

[undeadgun]

Its all about personal taste, and, of course opinion. You choose what you want to use, what you like to use.

[cloudjames]

Well.. this is probably late but I guess I will post my opinion

The good side of 2h Compared to Axe.
-Better aim
-Faster Rate Of Attack
-Able to deal normal dmg in between skills
-It looks more damn cool than an axe xD

The good side of Axe compared to 2h
-Better Crit rate (Most Green Axe do, but I do see some with 3%, wathell . . .)
-Higher damage

Ok, here goes, LOL.

MAYBE, at lower levels, 2h is a better choice. Reason being, its because there are lesser skills lower levels, thus, the normal attack rates, replaces the axe dmg. However, this replacement is very quite minimal, probably means nothing anyway. (This one, is my opinion, LOL, true or not, I leave it for you all to find out)

At higher level, its very different, you have more skills to use, and thus, axe dmg from all the skills combo, replaces the normal attack rates of 2h, which makes axe, more efficient in the speed of killing.

Personally, I feel Axe is a better choice, in questing, or grinding, an aim scroll helps to prevent misses. Now please, LOL, don complain about scrolls are expensive these days...etc. You do need to spend money when you grind or quest, LOL. Anyway, (damn got off topic) Ok *ahem* yea, axe is slightly much better than a 2h. And 2h-er probably need strength pots to replaces the amount of dmg an Axe-er can deal. So, which is cheaper, Aim Scroll or Strength Pots?

Pvping? LOL. A DEX gear, Axe User have a higher chance of pwn-ing, LOL, compared to a 2h-er. O__O;; But hey, I do see some 2h Casha Claw user pwning in pvp but, who knows? However, putting both to fair test, an Axe and a 2H, you can clearly see, Axe can perform better in pvp. What I meant by putting into fair test is, wearing the same gear with the same build, and testing it out on Axe and a 2H.

I am not perfect nor a very strong player, but this is just my opinion and the way I play the game.

Have fun y'all =D

*Gives everyone cookies*
Cheers ~

~ClouDie~

[Daniel_Fury]

Cloud James is very right guys. I used to be a dedicated 2H fighter from 2X to 7X. I am now level 72 and using everything. Now 2H's swords and axes (in terms of PVP) are very interesting. I have fought 8X axe fighters that I beat because they cant hit me, once they use an unenhanced Casha Claw I die very quickly. It's like an unwritten rule not to use scrolls in pvp so put the aim scroll aside. Though all this changes, as soon as you hit level 85 the BellowKnight Axe has a ridiculous amount of aim on it that not even the highest dex built fighter can evade :P Thus axes are stronger from that point forward. Levels below 85, I have noticed high dex axe fighters really hurt, alot more than a 2H fighter :P In my personal opinion for pvp, Axe for high end people, 2H's for high dex people. ^.^

Grind hard

[cloudjames]

Cloud James is very right guys. I used to be a dedicated 2H fighter from 2X to 7X. I am now level 72 and using everything. Now 2H's swords and axes (in terms of PVP) are very interesting. I have fought 8X axe fighters that I beat because they cant hit me, once they use an unenhanced Casha Claw I die very quickly. It's like an unwritten rule not to use scrolls in pvp so put the aim scroll aside. Though all this changes, as soon as you hit level 85 the BellowKnight Axe has a ridiculous amount of aim on it that not even the highest dex built fighter can evade :P Thus axes are stronger from that point forward. Levels below 85, I have noticed high dex axe fighters really hurt, alot more than a 2H fighter :P In my personal opinion for pvp, Axe for high end people, 2H's for high dex people. ^.^

Grind hard


DANNIE <3

ROFL. yes, Daniel_Fury is the only Casha Claw User that Pwned me in pvp.

:P

And btw...

Axe for high end people, 2H's for high dex people. ^.^

Grind hard
Don't you mean AXE for High DEX user and 2h for high END? LOL =x

[allyyCORE]

A lot of people here who talk about how the atk rate on a 2h matches the slow-strong hits of an axe are wrong. if you're not at an advance stage of this game (lv.65+ at the least), you don't know the difference, period.

i use everything, don't get me wrong; but when it comes down to business, the axe is the way for dealing certain dmg. certain players can manage kills with the 2h, like mr. daniel fury here, and i applaud to you.

an axe user who has some DEX or even DEX in their armor is bound to hit hard and without struggling with the aim. take that as a certainty.

don't compare atk rates, seriously; in the end, it's who can hit deva first, and who can deal the most dmg along the quick skill spams. even when it comes down the atk rates, like i said, no real difference.

[Blaxcalibur]

yay axe wielders..and james dont feel bad =P..Daniel could probaly kill me too lol
but the casha claw is only about 130 (thats like 26damage?) damage points off from a viking axe (off memory...might be wrong) so depending on his build and gear he probaly hits harder with that 2h than i do with my axe =3

but thats with a BLUE 2h i repeat BLUE 2h people...

somebody posted earlier and said he laughs when a axe user begs for a aim scroll in a kq...that because that fighter doesnt have enough dex in his gear...i have 110dex in my gear combined (couldnt find any good end/dex boots and my weapon has no dex T__T), does that cover that little aim gap between axes and 2hs? yes..yes it does

i hated the axe at lvl43..then i broke my 2h and was left with my axe i had for backup....now i cant even look at 2hs when im shoppin for a weap. I might say the axe sucked at first, it dont look as kool as a 2h, its slow, blah blah.....then i got used to it once i noticed ppl 7 lvls above me using 2hs couldnt keep up with my killing rate

and wow....didnt know i typed this much xD

[sh4d0wkid]

Wanna know why? cuz 2h is a weapon warriors use. thee u go NEXT RANT plz :P

[Kronica]

2h Sword is mos def for looks ...and i LOVE the look

[Daniel_Fury]

dammit, some people just don't understand.
2h isn't all about looks. I use all weapons as well, I have quite a bit of dex, I still use axe in majority of pvp but that 2h sword really is useful against some players, mainly really high end and dex archers that you just cant hit even if you have good dex and an axe. At the end of the day, if you want to be the best, use everything, if you want to be close to the best use an axe and 1h. 2h is hardly worth the bother but I find it useful in some desperate times of need :D

As for cloudie, I meant use 2h on high dex enemies, and axe for high end enemies. XD

Still.. the majority of 7x fighters I face I can beat with the blue 2h either way XD But the blue axe I use is still my weapon for choice as far as damage goes.

[yaseeda]

Oh Casha... Oh mighty gods... plz show mercy and drop casha claw+9 on my head :D .....For then i will be unstoppable.

[enumasam]

the damage done by a 2h sword sword is similar to that of an axe 10 levels lower...ie a lvl 50 2h~lvl 40 axe...and its attack rate is .1 sec faster than that of an axe...weilding a 2h sword gives you the same def as that of an axe...other than it looks its not really practical...

[yaseeda]

My current dmg now (lvl 70 2h+9) 1510 without party, axe users have around 1600 (without party also). When killing mobs one-by-one (i do it often, i like soloing) faster hit rate means a lot actually. I think i kill even faster then axe user, so 2h ideal for soloing (once again, dont start "axevs2h", we have thread for this).

[crymeariverydontcha]

2h are good beacuse its even between the ax and the 1h. The ax has great dmg but...what if you didnt hit much? what would the dmg do for you then? So 2h has more aim so u can hit harder than 1h and faster than ax and have half annd half from ax and 1h crit rate tsut me if u got to try it u'll like it....Ladies will like it to xD but to me ax is the best if you have aim scrolls ^^

[Blaxcalibur]

My current dmg now (lvl 70 2h+9) 1510 without party, axe users have around 1600 (without party also). When killing mobs one-by-one (i do it often, i like soloing) faster hit rate means a lot actually. I think i kill even faster then axe user, so 2h ideal for soloing (once again, dont start "axevs2h", we have thread for this).

i dont feel like arguing with you in this thread but i will say....at lvl70 if you have any +9 axe, your damage wont be 1600..more like 1900

[Orchids_Mantis]

Really there is no competition between 2H users and axe users. Axe users -level for level and stat for stat- can kill a 2H user due to their greater damage and critical rate.


To be honest, I think that the 2H sword needs a low defense stat (like 1/4 that of a shield) and a low block rate to compete fairly with the 1 hander and axe...which is something I've said for a while and will never happen.


The only reasons to use a 2H sword is to kill a shield bearer (which is faster and easier with an axe), and for the looks. When you have an axe, you're hunched over, you look like a hunch-back walking around town, and the +9 isn't that spectacular in my opinion.

When you have a 2H sword, you stand straight, with pride, the sword resting along your shoulders -an air of "I could kill you but I don't fee like it" resides around you- and it looks awesome when at +9 ....but the damage is still lower than an axe

[leobaloy]

Cloud James is very right guys. I used to be a dedicated 2H fighter from 2X to 7X. I am now level 72 and using everything. Now 2H's swords and axes (in terms of PVP) are very interesting. I have fought 8X axe fighters that I beat because they cant hit me, once they use an unenhanced Casha Claw I die very quickly. It's like an unwritten rule not to use scrolls in pvp so put the aim scroll aside. Though all this changes, as soon as you hit level 85 the BellowKnight Axe has a ridiculous amount of aim on it that not even the highest dex built fighter can evade :P Thus axes are stronger from that point forward. Levels below 85, I have noticed high dex axe fighters really hurt, alot more than a 2H fighter :P In my personal opinion for pvp, Axe for high end people, 2H's for high dex people. ^.^

Grind hard

i wanna fight you O.O
i'll use my 2h o:
not the one in my screenie lol i have a casha's claw o:

[Blaxcalibur]

Really there is no competition between 2H users and axe users. Axe users -level for level and stat for stat- can kill a 2H user due to their greater damage and critical rate.


To be honest, I think that the 2H sword needs a low defense stat (like 1/4 that of a shield) and a low block rate to compete fairly with the 1 hander and axe...which is something I've said for a while and will never happen.


The only reasons to use a 2H sword is to kill a shield bearer (which is faster and easier with an axe), and for the looks. When you have an axe, you're hunched over, you look like a hunch-back walking around town, and the +9 isn't that spectacular in my opinion.

When you have a 2H sword, you stand straight, with pride, the sword resting along your shoulders -an air of "I could kill you but I don't fee like it" resides around you- and it looks awesome when at +9 ....but the damage is still lower than an axe

in combat male axe users hunch over, girls dont.....and 2h users hunch over in combat too :D...standing idle..both stand up straight =P....but 2h does look kooler tho