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TastyTapioca
09-15-2007, 10:35 AM
I have to say I can't believe what GMs have to put up with so far in Fiesta. They work hard, very hard, and are very unappreciated it seems at times. GMs deal mostly with the negative side of life in a game as they are the people who deal with the bad things that happen.

I thought I'd write this post to give people an idea of what they go through.

As a GM, they are not only monitors of the gaming world but also testers.

People complain about the sheer number of gold/level spammers in the towns. People complain about their bugs, connection issues, play issues, grief issues, KS issues, and more. People complain the Cash Shop isn't open yet. They deal with people whose intelligence is about that of average day in the month or don't listen even when the answer is right there in their face.

A GM is a human being like you or I. Though they may have god-like powers, they also have to have god-like temperment. And they *do* get pushed on a daily basis there.

They are here to help make the game a better place but you all must understand this is a free-to-play game that uses a Cash Shop to help funds. In the meantime, who is paying the Devs? The GMs? And all the staff at Outspark? Money doesn't grow on trees kids and these folks are none the less doing their best to make you a game.

And guess what? There are only two primarly 'public' GMs that we see. Yes I'm sure there are more behind the scenes but Kaalan and Dakkon do a lot for us.

They have to deal with people begging for money, buffs, levels, items, etc. They have to deal with complaints against other players and try to investigate it in a timely manner. They have to balance out talking in public as well as in private whispers. They have to deal with suckups and people who use them as targets for personal issues. And occasionally they like to preview upcoming items (volcano!).

Have you ever been working and have people come up and start problems with you? I think of Customer Service people in particular and what they deal with each day. Well, this is what Kaalan and Dakkon are when out in public, in a sense (and you two are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong on that).

They don't have to host events on a regular basis. They don't have to give us the time of day for that matter, they are extremely busy. They have a lot on their plates to deal with. They have to be extremely good at multitasking because if you notice any time they're around, they are MOBBED by the throngs of people. And yet there you see them, hanging out and talking to people, showing off upcoming items and being silly conversationists. :)

They work a lot harder than you or I everyday at their job. A good number of players have probably never even had a job yet so they all of people are the ones most likely not understand. Those of you who do have a job and deal with a lot of crap, put yourself in their shoes and how it feels to do that EVERY DAY for hours on end.

And their job doesn't stop at hosting events, dealing with idiots, and trying to humor the public masses. These two GMs have to do all those things on not one but TWO servers. For the math challenged, that's 1 GM for each server.

Now imagine being one GM in a server full of people and doing the above jobs. Not only do they do that but they also visit these boards and try to help when they can. If a GM doesn't respond to you, it doesn't mean you aren't worth their time but that they are extremely busy people. They have personal lives like you or I and they do want time off away from this game believe it or not.

For us its casual and fun, but for them its a job. Yes, they enjoy it but there are times when you have to step away and take breaks or else you end up burning out. I've seen people test Kaalan and Dakkon on more than one occasion and I can tell you these two have more patience than Buddah.

Now THAT is scary. :P

In the end of all this talking though, put yourself in their shoes. They are doing more than what most people do or have to do in regards to their jobs. Give them some love and have some patience, they know about the problems that get re-posted 50 times a day, every day.

ASCIIrider
09-15-2007, 01:16 PM
I couldn't agree with you more Tasty!

Unlike some other games. Here there actually ARE GM's and they DO care.

Some people expect them to work 24/7. No person can do that, they have lives, famililes, and things outside of Outspark to do as well.

GM's are Outspark employees. They do more than one duty in ther jobs as well. They're the hosts, police, connection between us and the game devs, and on top of that they're the first line of customer service. While they may have godlike powers in game, unlike god they can't be everywhere at once, and take care of 20 simultanious problems at once.

The GM's here are doing a great job,and I for one respect them for their efforts and al lthey have to deal with on a daily basis.

kaskote
09-15-2007, 01:48 PM
Someone is trying to get an A+ on their book report! Lips hurt yet?

ASCIIrider
09-15-2007, 01:54 PM
Someone is trying to get an A+ on their book report! Lips hurt yet?
Yep, knew it wouldn't take long for an ignorant person to make comment like this...

What Tasty and I posted were facts... not sucking up as you seem to think.

Most people have no clue what a GM has to deal with. From experience *I* do. GM's get blamed for everything, yet rarely do they even get a thanks.

Sometimes they put in 18-20 hour days just to deal with things. Yet all they get is complaints. from people who aren't even contributing to their paycheck. Whatever they're making provbably is nowhere enough for what they deal with.

Remember Events and such... GM's don't have to hold them. They do it for us cause they want to.

TastyTapioca
09-15-2007, 02:07 PM
Actually no, no lip puckering to begin with LOL.

Purpose of this post is to help people understand and hopefully enlighten them to what the GMs are doing in Fiesta.

I, for one, am tired of seeing the 693th post complaining about gold/level spam, the KQ needing more slots, and how many complaints I see among the posts concerning the GMs and their performance in-game.

Many people don't seem to both to think or even realize how much the GMs do and put up with on a daily basis in and out of game. From what I've seen go on in-game is enough for me to pause and wonder how much they do when not in the public eye.

ASCIIrider
09-15-2007, 02:15 PM
What people also fail to understand with the gold botters the KQ's etc. All the GM's can do other than ban the spammers, is pass ingo on to the devs. In most cases GM's aren't programmers and have nothing to do with the coding.

People want instant fixes to everything, but anyone with programming knowledge knows it takes time to design, and test.

It isn't that nothing's being done, it's because it needs to be developed.

This is an english port of a Korean and Chinese game. Some of the things people want, and the Outspark staff have said are needed, are being worked on from scratch as they weren't in the other versions.

hoss27055
09-15-2007, 02:23 PM
I agree with you also. I work as customer service for a tax software company. People call in all the time cussing us out over the littlest things like how an address is appearing and they want it changed then. In that instantse the IRS :( has mandated it to be that away to go electronicly. I know it is a little off topic but similar experinces.

anarchy_
09-15-2007, 06:23 PM
True, GM's do go through a lot in their attempt to do an admirable job, but again theres plenty of jobs that garner respect throughout society.

Like Doctors, they save peoples lives; lawyers who protect peoples rights; volunteer workers who give up their time and energy to contribute to society without thinking of any return or gains; soldiers and patriots of a nation, willing to sacrifice their lives to protect the interests of their nation.

GM's are just ordinary people, like everyone else, they eat, sleep and wake up every morning with the same headaches as everyone else. Not all players are greatful and some are plain immature and idiotic, and I think the greatest way of thanking GM's (apart from *erherm* $$$) is not to contribute ourselves to the LCD (lowest common denominator) and let them get on with their jobs.

nintenfan1989
09-16-2007, 01:56 AM
Yeah, i play a few MMO's and i see the GM's getting swamped over stupid things.... people that complain to GM's over stuff like Spammers and how the Mushroom Houses don't look realistic enough (oh yes, search the forum, someone was complaining that the mushroom houses didn't feel realistic enough....)
GM's are real people, and even though this game is their job they should be allowed to enjoy the game like everyone else. Everyone that sits pestering them over stupid things and asking for plvls obviously has no social lives or they could get a mate to come help them lvl.

@every one that sits complaining: its a free game, your not contributing so you have no right to complain, until the item shop is up and you pay real cash to buy some items and help the game out you have no right to complain.
Step away from the computer just for one second and look out the window... WOW!!!! theirs a world out their isn't there.... see that green stuff.... thats grass.... go explore out in the real world, many things to complain about in there. Just make sure that when you found something to complain about you whine to the biggest most scary looking person you find, im sure they will sort you out with any problems you may have about the sky being too blue and the water being too wet.

Sick_559
09-16-2007, 03:19 AM
is kal still a evil gm?

TastyTapioca
09-16-2007, 07:11 AM
is kal still a evil gm?


How does appearing in Elderine and spawning high level monsters just for ****s and giggles on the houses litered in the center. Even if I was one of the victims, that was hilarious.

ASCIIrider
09-16-2007, 08:19 AM
LOL I think he does that to clear out some of the AFK sellers who've been there forever.

Kitysedai
09-16-2007, 08:36 AM
So totally agree. I was a guide for EQ, kind of a mini-GM. There are many many more players on EQ and only half the GM "harassment" which is kind of saying a lot about the players of Fiesta. Granted there are beggers and complainers on all games, but people here seem to take it to an extreme. I've seen Daakon come to a town and be bum rushed, then spammed to death with people begging for everything under the sun and then some. He comes to boot the bots and most people dont seem to think that's good enough, they expect him to entertain their tiny little brains and give them stuff. Well in my opinion thats just childish and rude. Tell him thank-you, say hi, whatever, but give them some breathing room and understand they are here to do their jobs, NOT to entertain a bunch of people who still act as if they are in preschool and cant understand they must work for things. If all you want is free handouts or plvls from GMs etc then leave. This is not the game for you. Gms are not devs, they can pass on ideas, information, etc but they cant just make things change about the game, this has been said soooo many times, get it through your heads people. There are many games where the GMs are never even heard from or seen, so feel lucky that Dakkon and Kaalan actually care enough about this game to bother.

kaskote
09-16-2007, 10:41 AM
Yep, knew it wouldn't take long for an ignorant person to make comment like this...

What Tasty and I posted were facts... not sucking up as you seem to think.

Most people have no clue what a GM has to deal with. From experience *I* do. GM's get blamed for everything, yet rarely do they even get a thanks.

Sometimes they put in 18-20 hour days just to deal with things. Yet all they get is complaints. from people who aren't even contributing to their paycheck. Whatever they're making provbably is nowhere enough for what they deal with.

Remember Events and such... GM's don't have to hold them. They do it for us cause they want to.

Blah Blah Blah... I know what they deal with. I know what they do for us. And I appreciate their efforts to make this a fun, thriving gaming community. However, I keep my praises silent. Kissing **** only makes you look like a dog doing tricks for scraps from the Bossman (in this case, the GMs). And, if like you say, this isn't butthole puckering, and you are trying to raise awareness or something like that, then start a committee and host a telethon. Donate all proceeds to the GMs and see if that helps. Because I'm sure this won't. People don't check the forums. That's why we have 734 people posting the same thing every day. And that's why Kaalan gets mad and locks the posts.

And I've already spent more time on this than I intended to... Here's the point of my post: Brush your teeth often. I hear poop is bad for your teeth and horrible for your breath.

TastyTapioca
09-16-2007, 10:45 AM
Silly newbies eating **** again? Yup, I said it.

PS when we getting a filter for the boards like we have in-game? :P

kaskote
09-16-2007, 10:52 AM
Silly newbies eating **** again? Yup, I said it.

PS when we getting a filter for the boards like we have in-game? :P

Wow. Your wit and maturity are amazing. Thank you for showing me than I was about to start arguing with a bunch of 12 year olds. I'm done with you now.

TastyTapioca
09-16-2007, 11:02 AM
Wow. Your wit and maturity are amazing. Thank you for showing me than I was about to start arguing with a bunch of 12 year olds. I'm done with you now.


Allow me to save a tear for later, when the tiny violin plays for this response.

If saying poop makes you more mature than me, then I think you're more misguided and misinformed than you're willing to admit. Neither of us needs to prove ourselves to the other.

Kaalan
09-16-2007, 12:55 PM
This thread has veered off topic, Locking it down before it turns into (more of) a flame thread.