Archers!! - Want more def? Here's a thought

[nik_kit]

Hail all the archers out there. Kiteing like crazy. Running your legs off with bleeding mobs closing in on you. Then POW! low defense & the obligatory LAGGGGG means instant DEATH.

What's the solution you may ask? Well there isn't one at present apart from maxing out on your VITS. But there could be. I've seen posts about a 'BIND/BINDING' move where the enemy is bound to the spot unable to move. Good yes, but not much help if you've lots of crazed creatures decending upon you & you can only disable one of them.

Well what about this Archers. We have a 'little space' on our armour inventory that's devoid of anything. You know the one! Where FIGHTERS & CLERICS have their SHIELDS. Well how about us Archers! We want something to fill that annoying space too.

What we need there are, wait for it! VANBRACES What on earth are those I hear you ask? Well take a look at my SIG below. They are the ARM GUARDS Archers use to protect their skin from the blow of the string. The BROWN leather protectors. They can also act as an added DEF against attack from another. Raise the arm & block an attack!!

So Archers how would you like to FILL THAT INVENTORY space with some of these?

They could be developed just like any other piece of armour. With STAT increases such as GREENS have now. They could even be different colours to match your particular Character level.

It's just a thought..... Something I'd like all you Archers & other classes out there to think about & vote on if you wish.

Do you think they would make an improvement to our CLASS?
or are they something else to have to spend our hard fought for cash on?

I'd like you to vote & please post your ideas on the subject. I'd be interested in your feedback.

It might give something for the GM's to possibly consider in the future & I know it would definately improve my enjoyment of the game.

[Sockrawteez]

emoblized been asked for a lot not happening till like lvl 100 this thread is useless someone close it [pl0x] and yes im an archer xD

[conniealice]

emoblized been asked for a lot not happening till like lvl 100 this thread is useless someone close it [pl0x] and yes im an archer xD

Have you read this? - I don't think you have. Maybe the 1st bit only.

Nik_kit isn't asking for a poll on 'EMOBLIZED'

They are asking for a poll on VANBRACES to increase an Archers DEF if I read correctly.

A good idea as far as I can see & NO I'm NOT an Archer but a FIGHTER. Support for our fellow players is what's needed NOT knee jerk reactions from those who can't be bothered to READ!!!!!

DON'T close the thread. I for one would like to know what others think about Nik_kit's idea.

[Mordriss]

It's a neat idea.

[Gaaraxxx]

I had an archer that made it to the high 60's; but I'm far too lazy and impertinent to kite, I just sat there and took it while I multishot my way through :P.
Neat idea though, not my style XD.

[michabell]

It's a good idea, but a bit unfair for mages, don't you think? :p

[Kraehe]

And it´s fine for mages to have low defense? -.- Archers can not have both damage and defense raised so people really need to fix up their minds and decide already which they wanna ask for. >.>

No offense, it´s probably a nice idea. o.o;

[Hemmes]

Myeah but they would have to make a new slot and everything. And no other class has an exlusive item just for them. I think it would be a lot of trouble to implement it.

I am not against archers getting more def or anything, so its a good thought :)


Im not sure whether an archer or mage is better. But we dont want to outbalance the classes either.

[fundude93]

And no other class has an exlusive item just for them.

yes they do, what about the weapons?


they also don't have to make a new slot or anything, there's 2 empty slots beneath the rings and on either side of the boots

[Daevor]

1. Hi nik_kit!
2. OMG that archer in your siggy is ULTRA-SMEXY! *takes a long moment to appreciate her smexiness.
3. Vanbraces... use the slot where the shield goes.... increased defense ... less dying. *nods profusely*

[biazingstar]

I think its a great idea. Might help with inbalances a bit.

[Lety23]

Mages: come up with your own idea :D

nik_kit This is a great idea I hope this happens
we Archers so deserve it


LovelyLety --- Arhcer --- Apoline ---- lvl 27
Lety ---- Cleric ---- Apoline ---- Lvl 52
(My other chars dont matter xD)

[nik_kit]

Mages: come up with your own idea :D

nik_kit This is a great idea I hope this happens
we Archers so deserve it


LovelyLety --- Arhcer --- Apoline ---- lvl 27
Lety ---- Cleric ---- Apoline ---- Lvl 52
(My other chars dont matter xD)



Thanks Lety23 for your nice comment.

Anyone else have views on my post?

[EchoSound]

That would mean creating a whole new piece of equipment to use for one specific class... and if you do it for one, you have to do it for all. It doesn't seem like it would really help. So, I say slap on some high end greens and deal with the lag by restarting your computer.

[shinataku02]

Yup- given that I have experience with archery in real life, and I play an archer, I've actually thought of this in the past. They shouldn't be nearly as much defense as a shield for a Cleric or Fighter, but it would be a small defense boost that would be very welcome.

[elhackermaestro]

: offtopic:
I do not know if it is coincidence but only mages and archers have long ears like elf, and fighters and clerics normal ears like normal humans

so, mages and archers have low def, and fighters and clerics high def

...but the mage is strong vs all type of enemys with low magic def, the archer isnt strong vs anything lol
: offtopic end:

so following the logic, the archers dont need too much def, they need more attack and evasion, our class is based on evasion, that's why we have an evasion skill, so an improve on our evasion of our equip should be ok, or an improve in our base dex

im a lvl 85 archer and i dont want more def, i dont use sc items, and im ok with my normal def, i do soloing in anywhere at anytime and i havent problems, i vote no to increase def on archer or new equips lol

[RYUKofDEATH]

i agree archers need this :D

[Atmor]

While a good idea I don't really think it is overwhelmingly neccesary. If you are kiting mobs and dieing when they hit you, you probably do need to get some higher end greens or something, or get some nice speed scrolls to help you stay ahead of the enemies. I can actually kite 20 or so mobs quite comfortably without speed scrolls in BR, but then again I also still have my +9 70s armor set each with at least 30 end on them...

P.S. I think they are called vaMbraces, not vaNbraces.

[lordofthesick]

the reason archers die when kiting is because your kiting massive amounts of mobs then you lag and make a mistake so you die >.< even a fighter or cleric can die during aoe with lag or any other mishap caused by human error

Many of the archers on here are just "ooooo more def for us yay! i say yes"
Archers already having more def then mages and they are the only class they can kite giving archers more def would just inbalance the game more then it already is.

[Andy-XY]

: offtopic:
...but the mage is strong vs all type of enemys with low magic def, the archer isnt strong vs anything lol
: offtopic end:l

seconded


the reason archers die when kiting is because your kiting massive amounts of mobs then you lag and make a mistake so you die >.< even a fighter or cleric can die during aoe with lag or any other mishap caused by human error

Many of the archers on here are just "ooooo more def for us yay! i say yes"
Archers already having more def then mages and they are the only class they can kite giving archers more def would just inbalance the game more then it already is.

yeah, but archers are more prone to dying than fighters and clerics because of their lower def. Fighters will die less doing AOE because of their ginormous def that's 2times larger or more than an archer, plus they can devastate the mobs and stop the damage. Clerics die less also because they have a good def and can heal themselves. Archers if they lag, they'll die in seconds(unless your atmor and have all high end +9 gears)
At higher lvs mages can just kill the mobs before they do any real damage with their powerful AOE(at least my mage can)

as for the new equip, it will go where fighters and clerics equip their shields
don't know why some of you are talking about having to make a special slot just for archers
/ rant over

[Atmor]

yeah, but archers are more prone to dying than fighters and clerics because of their lower def. Fighters will die less doing AOE because of their ginormous def that's 2times larger or more than an archer, plus they can devastate the mobs and stop the damage. Clerics die less also because they have a good def and can heal themselves. Archers if they lag, they'll die in seconds(unless your atmor and have all high end +9 gears)
At higher lvs mages can just kill the mobs before they do any real damage with their powerful AOE(at least my mage can)

as for the new equip, it will go where fighters and clerics equip their shields
don't know why some of you are talking about having to make a special slot just for archers
/ rant over

Actually even before I +9ed all my equips (takes alot of money in game and out) I was tanking 10+ mobs easily with and without a cleric. In teh 6X abyss I solo AoEd half of a big room (this was before you could use the AoEs while moving) Then in the 7X dungeon I was tanking 4-8 of the bigger mobs at lvl 70 when I had a good enough cleric. Then of course once Igot around to +9ing everything (around lvl 75) no one kept aggro from me and I tanked quite comfortably. Besides more def for archers is just overkill imo.

[lordofthesick]

seconded



yeah, but archers are more prone to dying than fighters and clerics because of their lower def. Fighters will die less doing AOE because of their ginormous def that's 2times larger or more than an archer, plus they can devastate the mobs and stop the damage. Clerics die less also because they have a good def and can heal themselves. Archers if they lag, they'll die in seconds(unless your atmor and have all high end +9 gears)
At higher lvs mages can just kill the mobs before they do any real damage with their powerful AOE(at least my mage can)

as for the new equip, it will go where fighters and clerics equip their shields
don't know why some of you are talking about having to make a special slot just for archers
/ rant over

you forget archers are the only ones to pull off a effiecent solo aoe just by kiting lag kills everyone some easier then others, but if your fighting 5-10 mobs at once solo what do you except? yes mages can kill stuff most of the time before the mobs do alot of real dmg but we cant do that solo. The only time ive ever seen a mage solo aoe was when he was fully +9ed charmed and extended alot of ppl dont wanna spend all that money on charms extenders and gear just to grind so we either fight mobs one or two at a time or find a cleric. As for archer a unextended un+9ed with decent end gear and a speed scroll can kite a whole area by themselves reaping all the rewards.

In short more def on a class that can already solo 5-20mobs(if not more) at once with just a speed scroll and no lag=overpowered

[Blaxcalibur]

baaah *thumbs down* lol...if archers get a bonus equip i want somethin too >_>

[Lordlymight]

That would mean creating a whole new piece of equipment to use for one specific class... and if you do it for one, you have to do it for all. It doesn't seem like it would really help. So, I say slap on some high end greens and deal with the lag by restarting your computer.


Myeah but they would have to make a new slot and everything. And no other class has an exlusive item just for them. I think it would be a lot of trouble to implement it.

All equipment, with the exception of jewelry, is specific to a class. Even the fighter and cleric, who use identical-looking shields, cannot interchange.

I agree with an earlier post that mentioned that this new item increase evasion rather than defense. This would play on the archer's strengths without stepping on anyone's toes... Good idea

[DF001]

All equipment, with the exception of jewelry, is specific to a class. Even the fighter and cleric, who use identical-looking shields, cannot interchange.

I agree with an earlier post that mentioned that this new item increase evasion rather than defense. This would play on the archer's strengths without stepping on anyone's toes... Good idea

Most of the archer items have more DEF than EVA.

That's kinda stupid. D:

[nik_kit]

While a good idea I don't really think it is overwhelmingly neccesary. If you are kiting mobs and dieing when they hit you, you probably do need to get some higher end greens or something, or get some nice speed scrolls to help you stay ahead of the enemies. I can actually kite 20 or so mobs quite comfortably without speed scrolls in BR, but then again I also still have my +9 70s armor set each with at least 30 end on them...

P.S. I think they are called vaMbraces, not vaNbraces.

Ahh!! Thanks for pointing my spelling error out. You are CORRECT they are VaMbraces & NOT VaNbraces. I hadn't noticed. I ran a spell check prior to posting but it failed to pick it up. Anyway as a footnote here's some info on what they actualy are:


'Vambraces (French language avant-bras, sometimes known as lower cannons in the Middle Ages) are "tubular" or "gutter" defences for the forearm, developed first in the ancient world by the Romans, but only formally named during the early 14th century, as part of a suit of plate armour. They were made of either leather, sometimes reinforced with longitudinal strips of hardened hide or metal (a crafting method named "splinted armour"), or from a single piece of worked steel and worn with other pieces of armour. Vambraces are generally called forearm guards, with or without separate couters'.

'The couter is the defense for the elbow in a piece of plate armour. Initially just a curved piece of metal, as plate armor progressed the couter became an articulated joint.'

Thanks all, for your comments it's interesting to know how you think. Keep them coming.

[link82650]

i is mainly a fighter but im al for it :D ^ ^ either way cant have players deing fo rme i voted yes

[Ren-sama]

Its not a bad idea... But i dont think it will happen.. ever...

[LionessRampant]

Since vanbraces would normally be part of an archers gear, I see no reason why archers shouldn't have them. To balance it out perhaps a book of spells for mages? Just a thought.

[Hemmes]

All equipment, with the exception of jewelry, is specific to a class. Even the fighter and cleric, who use identical-looking shields, cannot interchange.


Okay, have it your way, ill refrase:
No class has a TYPE of item specifically for them.
Yes of course boots for an archer are different from boos from a fighter, but they are still boots. In the same slot, with the same requirements and the same SORT of bonusses.


This is kinda necro btw ^_^

[silverblade989]

Nice idea. Anything to help our little archers is always a good idea. But they should do something for mages too.




baaah *thumbs down* lol...if archers get a bonus equip i want somethin too >_>

LOL man it sounds so mean and uncessary JEALOUS. Fighters already have THREE kinds of weapons, highest defense ever, awesome AoE attacks, and easy tank. Don't be so evil and never forget those little brave players who lure Bosses for ya.


And ahn... before everyone ask, i have BOTH an archer and a fighter.

[nik_kit]

'Bump' - Just giving the tread a shove!! - Thought it had died on me (a bit like my archer from lack of DEF lol)

[fireyair]

lol... it's a cute idea, but it would overpower us




Peace:cool:

[artboi]

sorry i disagree with this idea, there are tough like stone archers in this game, only because they set their mind to make an archer tough, this idea is just trying to make it easier for the archers, which alrdy have it so very easy, and i really mean it, i lvled my archer to lvl73 in a month, i alrdy had a main lvl84 which provided me with some good money get the archer started, but all the equipments i got for my archert after lvl50 came from making money with the archer i made it self.

i never partied with my archer, i was always soloing, only with t3 scrolls and some+9s (weapon and top) and i was able to kite well over 20 mobs in lvl50 abyss by myself.
same thing at lvl60 abyss.

i dont see the point in these "i think (class) is unbalanced, hope they implement something that can fix this" threads, every class has their pros and cons.

fighters have highest natural physical defence, they also have the lowest magical defence, making it weakest against mages.

clerics have the ability to heal themselves and have a balanced physical and magical defence, but its not so high to make a diference against a pure str fighter or a mage.
they also lack aoe attacks bounding this class to party to lvl up faster, not saying they can not solo, this class is the best at soloing.

mages inmense damage against mostly anything, have the most curses and aoes attacks, but as well has the lowest physical defence.

archers, they are the ones that can be made into anything, from tanking to pvping to aoe master, they are easy to solo a lot of mobs with the lowest % in dying while doing so, they can run and hit with almost all their powers, and with their poisons they are deadly against mages. but do have a low physical defence making it weaker to fighters.

overall it all depends on the time you put on your character and the equipments you get your character to make it tough, this is a game thats a paper rock sisors type thing.

i can name a couple of tough as stone archers:
Thin
GeminiDNK
Sthealthy
Recuver
Kopri

and there are more but i dont remember.

[KungFuHobo]

If this idea does happen they shouldnt be available throughout all levels.

Like maybe starting at 40 with a 2% block rate and going up. But thats it.

[saueracker]

I think its a good idea..i dont see why not.


of course there are spells that we never got, maybe these would have made the def a little less noticeable. i know that outspark mentioned something about trying to get them back, because a lot of the archer skills were left out. Perhaps if these spells are implemented then it wouldn't be an issue.

[autarchaurzel]

i wonder why no one mentioned that:
archers are a DD class, they sit back and attack
hence they shouldnt have to rely too much on their def since a fighter or cleric should be taking the hits
this game promotes party play, and each class is geared towards a specific purpose in that party
that being said, archers can kite, who cares if you get lazy and dont want to kite, thats like saying a cleric gets lazy and doesnt want to heal, i think this idea isnt appropriate, besides, if you're going to get mobbed, then a little extra def is going to do sweet f.a.

[rebelangelme]

Yeah Yeah Yeah..What about:
ARchers get that thing for def,mage as well.
And why not..
Fighter thing for m.def ,cleric for dmg as well
WELL!!! If this will happend [ i hope not ] i think 40% of this game players will leave because its a stupid idea. -.- OUTSPARK DONT DO THAT IF YOU WANT TO BE A GREAT GAME!

[Lety23]

I'm thinking it wont happen.


i wonder why no one mentioned that:
archers are a DD class, they sit back and attack
hence they shouldnt have to rely too much on their def since a fighter or cleric should be taking the hits
this game promotes party play, and each class is geared towards a specific purpose in that party
that being said, archers can kite, who cares if you get lazy and dont want to kite, thats like saying a cleric gets lazy and doesnt want to heal, i think this idea isnt appropriate, besides, if you're going to get mobbed, then a little extra def is going to do sweet f.a.

This has been the plan in the KQ I have been part of. I steal the aggro.
I've tanked all most all my KQ, being an archer.
This idea is good. But that's why theres def scrolls.