The Modern 'Cleric'

[Penhaligon_5]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.

[Nephron]

A little harsh, perhaps, but excellent advice regardless -- especially the bit about using an actual SENTENCE. :D

[smileeloser101]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.


I agree with everything except the bolded parts. There comes a point in any cleric's game life (If they make it past level 20), where "clanking" is necessary to keep a party alive. Especially in abyss parties, where there may be 3 to 4 "squishy" players, no tank, and one cleric. As clerics we can take more damage than archers and mages in general, so why shouldn't we reap the advantages of that? I am in no way saying that clerics should only tank though, clerics really should leave that to fighters whenever possible.

Secondly, saying that clerics should never type in party is a bit extreme. As long as no one dies from your chatting, typing is perfectly acceptable.

[redhawk306]

as much as it kills me your right.
saying that "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you" is a pure shame.
utter shame
the sterotype of cleric is a stuck up rich. and i do think people get the wrong idea from that statment
I was intown listening to a conversation about a guy who only has fighter freinds because he thinks clerics are to stuck up for him and that all they do is care about them self
and i think this leads to my next point, it still is heroic to give up your life to keep the life of someone you dont know or not
take this for example
in the abyssl the other day when i saw a mage. geting killed. i healled him ran up and bashed my way through and was attacked by the entire mob. we where both in critical states. so i healed him and died. after he /w me and told me how greatfull he was for my help and how he did kill them all.

now that is being a hero.
even on a game there still are heros
and i think clerics need to revise the sterotype and because heros.

[kirayagami]

i totally agree with you on the first part as a cleric I always try to heal as much fast as i can. As an archer somehow i always found lazy clerics that just go around attacking and no healing.

Once on Robo KQ there was a cleric in our party, no heals, no party buffs no nothing, when we asked him if he could cast the party buff he said " i dont have those useless skills". now thats some mad cleric XD

[whydisignup8869]

wow ... nice but #2 there is wrong because i can type and heal full party ... :D

[soojin]

why even ask them to type out a proper sentence ?

10 out of 10 clerics who DO lecture people on proper spelling / grammar when asking for endure spend more time doing that versus the amount of time just endure/restore/immune buffs and letting them go on their way (unless you have your lecture copy and pasted).

and it's not like people don't know what plz/pls/pl0x mean, anyways.. i don't see why people have such a chip on their shoulder about it. o-o. that's like demanding people to say " laughing out loud " instead of " lol. "

i think just as long as they say plx/plz/pl0x/please and " thank you, ty " afterwards, it shouldn't be an issue.

[xavier_swift]

Ok, I am one of those "modern" clerics, at least my alt is, and I have to agree with what you just said. My main is a fighter and I can say that I've come across many of clerics who don't fulfill their duties in parties. I mean, the only cleric AOEs have to do with healing(at least the ones in the North American version). Don't believe me? Just look it up.

To be honest, I usually solo the majority of my quests. The only time I actually party is for KQs, dungeon quests, or Boss quests. And after getting my cleric to lvl39, I'm proud to say I've yet to lose a single party mate, even with a 25SPR Rest STR build. ^__^

Just wanted to let you know that there is still one modern cleric who understands our role.

[sh4d0wkid]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.
LOL SOOOO TRUE. If you dont wanna heal just dont EVER pt. liek EVER PT if u dont wanna heal as a cleric. I have lost about 500k exp today (im lvl 58 atm and been 9x% past 4hours) cuz my cleric doesnt heal me, or is talking and dies then I die, or they just dont heal me period.

[campire931]

ok i understand u wanting to be healed but i being a cleric can heal, type and fight at the same time. u saying that only clerics cant talk is a little harsh, what if a fighter talks and dies while the cleric is trying to heal/ rez someone? there are certain situations where u could be right but i dont think u should say it that way. The rest of it i have no problem with.

[ahtai]

When typing, you can use mouse so the healing is sufficient if you move mouse fast enough. Though personally I don't like talking while I am fighting expecially I have a full party and the only cleric. With 3 I prefer to hit while I have the spare time. Well 1-2 it is total releaxing and can chat up a lot.

[KY_Jelly]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.

tl;dr: this is how I play my cleric and as such this is how everyone should play their cleric.

If a cleric doesn't want to heal you, deal with it, you are allowed to carry stones and pots for a reason. Why should the cleric have to spam his pots and stones just so I dont have to?

If a cleric wants to talk, who are you to stop him? Why should I be allowed to enjoy the secondary facets of this game, such as chatting with guildies, etc. but clerics are banned from anything but smashing their 3 key repeatedly?

You seem to think that by choosing the cleric class, you have taken an oath to put other players' enjoyment over your own. and that's very sad. This is a game, it is meant to be fun. If someone's version of fun is trying to tank a mob, or crack jokes in guild chat, more power to them. If their version of fun is to sit there quietly and spam heals on their party members, that works too. But if that was all the cleric class was meant to do, don't you think they would have given a more appropriate name? like heal-monkey or something.

[Klothos]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.

Wow

I have never seen a post with more moving targets than this one....Rather than shoot holes through it, I'll leave you with this:

Don't tell me how to play my Cleric. Im Full STR so I couldnt do half of what youre implying even if I wanted to. Some of us aren't built to be total-support Clerics. Thats the beauty of Free Stat: Personalize and create a character to one's own individual tastes.......

....and, no, a lot of times people die because of their own stupidity (i.e. 'Pulling more aggro than they can handle' and 'Players all over the map instead of a concise grouping' being the most common), so if people die, Im not going to be blamed for their idiotic choices and errors - and I will open the chat-box and tell them so

....However, the most important thing you need to understand is that some of us like to think outside-the-box and enjoy creative playing with our characters beyond the scope of their standard-model paradigms. Its also fun partying with players of other classes that, not only understand this, but do it as well.

Clank you very much,

Have a nice day :)

[drich147]

This is too easy.

I have never seen a post with more moving targets than this one....Rather than shoot holes through it, I'll leave you with this:

Your friends list is for more than just earning a 'Celebrity' title: When you meet Clerics that perform to your specifications, make friends with them and party with them often

But don't tell the rest of us how to play: You do not have the authority to do so - Some of us like to think outside-the-box and enjoy creative playing with our characters beyond the scope of their standard-model paradigms. Its also fun partying with players of other classes that, not only understand this, but do it as well. Those individuals are in my Friends List

Clank you very much,

Have a nice day :)

well said klothos can i join u r friends list


Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)1.First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. 2.Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) 3.Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. 4.Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. 5.So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) 6.Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, 7.if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- 8.I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.

ill respond to writing in bold (i dont agree with anything in the above quote)

1.it is not to heal we can do whatever we want

2.we dont have to and we arent screwing up our reputation beacuse the is none

3.we are alowed to type and u suck

4.it aint our fault if we dont start the converstation

5.we can do whatever we want u othe clerics not like us are just slave to other classes

6.when they treat us like a real person not like dog crap ill show some respect

7.maybe it wasnt our fault

8.its our choice to buff them its not a right from playing fiesta its a privlage usaly given to them to get them to stop annoying us

[whydisignup8869]

i get called [FAIL] alot ... so ... i dont party ppl often usually only friends which is why i can type and heal because ill actually try to keep em alive. ..

[jaseph27]

I agree with you KY. Clerics shouldn't be stuck into just healing everyone and doing nothing else. And saying that we can't chat is absolutely ridiculous. That is why we have Hp stones and Hp pots to help....so people shouldn't be completely dependent on clerics to stay alive!

[smileeloser101]

tl;dr: this is how I play my cleric and as such this is how everyone should play their cleric.

If a cleric doesn't want to heal you, deal with it, you are allowed to carry stones and pots for a reason. Why should the cleric have to spam his pots and stones just so I dont have to?

If a cleric wants to talk, who are you to stop him? Why should I be allowed to enjoy the secondary facets of this game, such as chatting with guildies, etc. but clerics are banned from anything but smashing their 3 key repeatedly?

You seem to think that by choosing the cleric class, you have taken an oath to put other players' enjoyment over your own. and that's very sad. This is a game, it is meant to be fun. If someone's version of fun is trying to tank a mob, or crack jokes in guild chat, more power to them. If their version of fun is to sit there quietly and spam heals on their party members, that works too. But if that was all the cleric class was meant to do, don't you think they would have given a more appropriate name? like heal-monkey or something.

Um, reconsider the skills of a cleric. PARTY HEAL. If you don't at least TRY to keep the members of your party alive, you fail. And if you don't want to have to deal with healing parties, find a different class or don't party. When people party a cleric they EXPECT healing to happen.

[campire931]

Um, reconsider the skills of a cleric. PARTY HEAL. If you don't at least TRY to keep the members of your party alive, you fail. And if you don't want to have to deal with healing parties, find a different class or don't party. When people party a cleric they EXPECT healing to happen.

most of the time its not the not trying to heal but its the not being able to. like some one said earlier, ppl spread out or pull to much aggro, its hrad to heal ur party when they're running all over the map in 4 different directions you know. And ppl who party a cleric also need to remember that healing is a skill with all the advantages and disadvantages of any other skill. we can only be so far away.

[smileeloser101]

most of the time its not the not trying to heal but its the not being able to. like some one said earlier, ppl spread out or pull to much aggro, its hrad to heal ur party when they're running all over the map in 4 different directions you know. And ppl who party a cleric also need to remember that healing is a skill with all the advantages and disadvantages of any other skill. we can only be so far away.

This is true, I was just ranting on the people that half-heartedly try to keep their party alive. Although I messed up pretty badly today so I really have no room to talk.

[Cherushi]

I see nothing wrong with typing ... D:

Unless, you're typing more than you're healing ;D And besides, there are idle times you can chat really o.O You just need to know when is the proper time to do it. (Obviously not, when your tanker is coming back with his pull LOL)

>.>.... and just healing is boring.... which makes the cleric sleepy.. which is kinda bad ... at least in my case lol o.o;

xD

[Nixkie]

lol awww does penny got cleric issues

[LonetheWolf]

[my two cents]Its always good to have your own morals but clerics get yelled at enough by the other classes they don't need their own doing it too. If you got your only theories and beliefs, abide by them, don't try to force them on everyone else. Its common for people to take a class and do more than its meant for, I have a mage tank on epith (no healer). My clerics are battle cleric hybrids, by this I mean they attack and kill but they heal AS ITS NEEDED. Its boring as hell spam healing slow parties and keeping your trap shut while they blab and waist your time.
The more and more I see these threads I want to smack the people that wrote them upside the head.. Seriously, you're doing nothing to help the situation, you can be a good cleric (so you say) well good for you, don't scold the others that want to move outside the generic and rather boring role. If you want to make a difference take an apprentice under your wing and teach them, without being a *****, how to be a good cleric.
Not everyone becomes a cleric to be a heal buff slave, many do it for the ability to be self sufficient, no need for parties or worry about health, i bet that pisses you off but its true and its obviously really common as there's so many threads like this. At 120 there's a class change for clerics (and all other classes) hopefully after that everyone will shut up about this as they'll get to chose what they want to be.[/my two cents]

[RikoRain]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

[QUOTE=Penhaligon_5;1232971](1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to..

EXACTLY. OMFG EXACTLY. ><
My cleric grew up in Jan~>Jul mostly, and I tell you.. It was Heal first, fight second. If you couldnt heal and fight at the same time, then by hell: you better just heal. We dont mind you standing there healing us. Seriously, my cleric is 81 atm, and Ill almost constantly get crits, but I cant function if my pt is dead. Ill heal first, and if therye all full hp, I either shroom to recover SP, or I throw in Bash and trip/bleed AND THATS IT! NOTHING MORE!

Heal first, fight later.


(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation? .

Lol only type in intermissions when its safe xD
A typing cleric = mages/archers worst nightmare.

Heal first, talk later.


(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way. .

My cleric is known as the "sacrificial lamb" by so many ppl I would pt with @.@ Quicken>Aoeheal FTW~ then invince, run for it, rejuv>Die>Sacrifice heals. Pt is safe, I am dead. Worth it. My 1% verses the total 5% lost (cus you know, the other 4 would die, then the cleric as well.)

On my cleric I know full well all the other classes can do way more dmg than me. Ill let them fight. ONLY, and ONLY when it is safe (ie: I just invinced them), so I quickly hit BASH or trip/bleed, and then Im right back to having them selected to heal.
On my mage/archer, I get ticked so easily at "dd clerics".
CLERICS CANNOT BE DAMAGE DEALERS!!! DEAL WITH IT!!! Theyve LOWERED the clerics dmg so much you have no chance at all to be a DD, trust me.


(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again. .

Bleh I just ignore em. Or if I get enough requests, shout "BUFFING AT _______ hurry up before I leave!", do all my buffing, then leave.

On my archer/mage, so hard to get a buff.. and I ask nicely "May I have a buff please?" and theyll either walk away, or tell me their job isnt to buff.
I mean..
Come on.
thats an extra 400-1k hp. Everyone needsit.

[kikkokk]

1st. cleric arent made to just too heal, we tank if we want, we DON'T have to heal if we don't want.

2nd. if party are die it's not our fault, everyone can buy stones and potions.

3rd. If we have to show respect to the other classes they have to respect us too, we have the power of healing, if they dont respect us why we have to respect or heal them?

that what I have to say.

[Daevor]

If a cleric doesn't want to heal you, deal with it, you are allowed to carry stones and pots for a reason. Why should the cleric have to spam his pots and stones just so I dont have to?


You clearly have no idea how many stones/pots the other classes have to burn to be effective at their roles. A mage cannot even attack without using sp. A fighter who's tanking is burning sp (for spamming mock/sneering kick, as well as casting their debuff skills), and often hp stones/pots too (even with a cleric whose finger can find the heal hot-key).



1st. cleric arent made to just too heal, we tank if we want, we DON'T have to heal if we don't want.


If you don't want to heal, don't party. Have you ever come across a mage/archer refusing to use AoE attacks? I can promise you 60+ mage who doesn't want to use nova for whatever reason will be booted from the party is before they can cast MM[1].
A fighter who whips out his/her axe and expects the mage/archer (of similar level) to tank while he smashes away with his axe will be booted from the party before he can cast power hit.
If you don't want to use your god-given (I mean, class-given) skills to the benefit of the party, don't party. Go solo. No-one cares then if you have issues about hitting the heal button.




2nd. if party are die it's not our fault, everyone can buy stones and potions.

If they died but you could have healed them but didn't, then it is your fault. If you suffer from inferiority complex about casting heal, let the party know before the pull. This way they'll know to do a smaller pull as they can't depend on your heals (if, ofcourse, they're happy having a cleric-DD-wannabe, which is higly unlikely).



3rd. If we have to show respect to the other classes they have to respect us too, we have the power of healing, if they dont respect us why we have to respect or heal them?

Respect is earned. A non-healing cleric who parties without informing his party of his non-healing disorder will not garner much respect.

[xavier_swift]

This whole thread is totally the reason why I'm a solo cleric outside of Kingdom Quests. Why deal with the whole issue of " Clerics are only good for healing" or " Clerics can fight too"? There's nothing wrong with people who like to heal only, and there sure as heck nothing wrong with battle clerics.

Playing a class in a certain is based SOLELY on the person behind it. If you want to rant about crap that's happened to you, you're more than welcomed to do so. However, don't try to generalize a whole class based on YOUR beliefs, and YOUR opinions. I'll heal, rez, and buff whenever I have to. No more, no less.

If you got an issue with it, here's a tissue.

[HeroicAce]

My opinion is that both clanks and spam healers work just fine as clerics. My only problem is when in a kq and people dont heal. like it or not a kq forces you to do your Primary job. for archers its DOTs, fighters its tanking, and mages its aoe. for clerics in this case it is healing. you may be able to throw in some extra damage but if you dont heal you just make it harder on the rest of us cause your damage isnt as vital as it would be from say a mage. By no means does this example im about to give happen often but it does happen and i would like to ask you to examine yourself and see if this description fits you.

Lately i have been doing honeying and MD kqs, and for some of the past few times i have had whole kqs with clerics that would only heal themselves and not the party, they only rezed people in their party and not other parties when people died then they went back to fighting and only healing them selves. in times like these i have actually wished the clerics werent there, because i could plan a better way to fight if i had more archers/mages/fighters and just didnt have a low damaging class that wouldnt work with a group and wouldnt heal. To top this off, i have heard some clerics say we cant win without them, and in truth we can in fact win without them. i finished a MD with no clerics and only 1 maybe 2 fighters.

To finish up. i really dont have anything against clerics. They are awesome, and they can help a lot in parties. However, sometimes their are times when you are forced to play your class at its most basic level and i would like to see more people actually doing this. I believe it would lead to less fights in kqs and would making everything easier for the whole group.

{P.S Please dont think im saying the other classes are perfect. i have seen similar problems with all classes but since this is the cleric section i have only talked about what i have experienced with clerics.}

[Saruin]

The problem I have with clerics is this: They melee in KQs. ***? You do realize that the tank is gonna die if you don't heal them, right? They die = KQ fails. And don't give me that clank stuff. KQ is about being a TEAM.

Also, I don't mind when clerics attack. Just saying that when it's necessary, you kinda need to heal. Like in an AoE party. If you refuse to heal, what do we need you for? It's not like you can hit more than one mob anyway. It's fine if the person you're AoEing with isn't dying, fine, go ahead and attack. But if you see me with 200 hp and a mob, but you're full health and trying to kill ONE monster, you're outta my party. End of story.

And for the DD clerics. Just don't expect a lot of parties over clerics who do participate.

[miagimaster99]

Actually, you can type during MD >.>

Also during Robo when you wait out those 2-3 mins before spawns, then obviously you cant ^^

Talk when needed, or if you think you can get away with it, but not to compromise your party's safety and well-being. A dead party=dead cleric, or it CAN become an equivalent

Meh, KQ's are fun to get away from grinding personally. And they typically are'nt half bad. Im doing MD every other hour, provided i dont forget, to soften the cushion between my current level and getting to 60 :X

I personally dont type much during KQ, i just do my job without thinking twice about having to talk. I'll type if i have to point out something useful though.

[Thasmudyan]

I think what it really comes down to is that new players simply don't get much exposure to partying at lower levels, and as a result they don't really understand how to work with others in a party. This goes for all classes, not just clerics. It's just more noticeable with the clerics because of their role.

In a good party, EVERYONE works together, using the abilties of their class to best help the group's goal (i.e. kill lots of stuff fast and not die). It's not a simple division of "fighter/mage/archer work on the kill lots of stuff part and cleric work on the not die part", though. All four classes can help with the kill lots of stuff part, and all four can help with the not die part.

When I join a party with my cleric, depending on the situation, there are various ways in which I can be helpful. In most parties, the most useful and efficient thing I can do to help out is to heal my party members. In case people don't realize, it's far cheaper (cost-wise) for a cleric to heal a person than it is for that person to use a stone or a potion. A cleric can cast something like 10 heals per SP stone, after all. Therefore, if it's not an emergency, a cleric should always be doing the healing, and never expecting party members to stone. Stones and potions are emergency healing if a cleric's around... but at the same time, people can't be afraid to use them. If the cleric's healing as fast as they can, and you died, and your stone's not on cooldown.. then sorry, but you could have helped yourself, you know.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm just a heal bot. I'm a full STR cleric, so you can bet that any chance I get, I'm up there with the fighters bashing away. Here's the key thing to remember, though. Even when fighting, a cleric should be paying attention to the members of their party. Make sure nobody's wandering off, watch people's health, etc. Get ready to heal as soon as someone starts taking damage. I'll bold it, because it's important: Healing always should take priority over fighting, if you're a cleric. Fighting, of course, takes priority over talking or doing nothing, at least for me, but never over healing.

Of course, some parties are matters of "let's throw together whoever needs a particular quest and go kill". In which case, you might end up with all clerics, or something like a fighter and 3 clerics. In that case, I might very well not heal at all. Why? Most of the time, out of the clerics in the group I do the most damage, so the best way I can contribute to that party is to help kill. It's better for me to let the other cleric(s) heal, then. Of course, even here I don't stop paying attention. If someone's health starts getting low, I'll toss a heal their way. I don't want death to happen if I could have prevented it, after all.

Finally, sometimes I find myself duoing with, say, an archer who's lower level than me. In that case, guess what my role is? That's right... I tank. I pull, start fighting, and use my heals to keep aggro. If I lose aggro, I switch to healing my archer friend (and fighting too if time allows). Again, my goal is to prevent death and kill as fast as possible, just as it always is.

KQ's are a bit different, because in a KQ, unless there are like 7-8 clerics, there's probably always someone that needs healing. I take care of my party first. If everyone's alive and healthy, then I click around on other people until I find someone that needs a heal, or spot a dead person that needs a revive. If nobody's really taking any damage, then I might fight a little, but again, it's important to always pay attention.

I guess what I'm trying to say about all this is that a good cleric doesn't just have to be a heal-bot, and in fact clerics are quite versatile and can adapt to different situations. However, our greatest strength is in our ability to heal, so we should always be prepared to heal should the need arise, no matter what type of cleric we play.

[campire931]

Ok, my opinion this: I find this thread very.....hmmmm how to put it nicely?......not smart.

We don't need people telling us how to play our character on a game made to customize and personalize our character. If our character was made for soloing then leave us alone. We'll do what we want as long as we're not breaking rules. I personally am a healer and fighter at the same time. I'll clank if need be but i don't think its fair for people to generalize and stereotype a c;*** because it has one skill. The point of a game is to have FUN not be yelled at by people who think we're playing the game wrong. And honestly, only clerics can't type, okay, lets see the tank type and everyone ends up dead because he's not keeping aggro. And Healing..its a skill, just like every other, i keep saying, people need to stay together, and what happens? They run to different corners of the map. And during KQ they yell "heal the TANK" then get mad when they die even if your not in they're party. Respect is another issue. I've never had to deal with it myself, but respect is a two way street, give it and you'll get it in return. People give clerics the least respect and then expect a random heal or buff? Pfft.

I'll heal, and keep you alive but do not yell at me for any reason. Your alive so shut up. I'm doing my job. Party buffs are on and would be re-buffed when gone, so don't spam me for stupid buffs. I'll do what i can and keep u alive, i you do happen to die, oops, I'll revive you. Its not that hard.

Opinions are different for everyone. If you don't agree don't disrespect anyone or argue, that's stupid. A Point of view will never be the same to a T. It's not the end of the world if some one disagrees with you. Move on because you'll end up looking stupid.

[KY_Jelly]

Um, reconsider the skills of a cleric. PARTY HEAL. If you don't at least TRY to keep the members of your party alive, you fail. And if you don't want to have to deal with healing parties, find a different class or don't party. When people party a cleric they EXPECT healing to happen.

If a party is explicitly looking for a healer, then yes, you better start healing. if you are duoing with a random or something though, there really isn't a reason you should be heal spamming them.


You clearly have no idea how many stones/pots the other classes have to burn to be effective at their roles. A mage cannot even attack without using sp. A fighter who's tanking is burning sp (for spamming mock/sneering kick, as well as casting their debuff skills), and often hp stones/pots too (even with a cleric whose finger can find the heal hot-key).

seeing as how my main is an archer, i'd like to think i have some idea of how many stones and pots an archer use. That's right, i dont even play a cleric as a main toon and I'm arguing that it's rediculous that people have this idea that clerics are just heal bots. Cleric toons are being played by people, just like every other class. Their happiness should come first in how they play their game. If healing you doesn't make this game enjoyable, why should they heal you? So why dont you come back when you've gotten rid of those faulty assumptions you made.

[Daevor]

seeing as how my main is an archer, i'd like to think i have some idea of how many stones and pots an archer use. That's right, i dont even play a cleric as a main toon and I'm arguing that it's rediculous that people have this idea that clerics are just heal bots. Cleric toons are being played by people, just like every other class. Their happiness should come first in how they play their game. If healing you doesn't make this game enjoyable, why should they heal you? So why dont you come back when you've gotten rid of those faulty assumptions you made.

*sigh* And that's why I didn't mention an archer in my post. I did, however, mention a tanking fighter and mage. *waits for response to what I actually said, and not a response to what I didn't say*

As you might have noticed, I have a 7x cleric, and if you've read some of my more recent posts across the cleric forum, you'll know that the phrase I repeat most often (w.r.t. KQ) is:
"It is the responsibility of every player to use their skills to the maximum benefit of the party, and to the ultimate benefit of the KQ. For the cleric, that is to HEAL."
Basically, every player is expected to do whatever they can to maximize the success chance of the KQ. If you don't want to do this (e.g. cleric refusing to heal/rez fellow KQ members), then don't join a KQ: you're using up 1/15 (or 1/10 for honeying) KQ spots, and the rest of the KQ members now have their success chance compromised because of you. That is a very selfish thing to do.

Go have a look at my guide for clerics in KQ, you might find it interesting (see link in my siggy).

[DF001]

Penh I totally agree with you.

They should heal not bash the mobs when 20 mobs are hitting me..

[RikoRain]

1st. cleric arent made to just too heal, we tank if we want, we DON'T have to heal if we don't want.

2nd. if party are die it's not our fault, everyone can buy stones and potions.

3rd. If we have to show respect to the other classes they have to respect us too, we have the power of healing, if they dont respect us why we have to respect or heal them?

that what I have to say.

Hahaha.. hahaha... wow.. ahahaha...

1) Clerics are made to be support in parties, via heal and support buffs

2) You can tank AND heal your pt. I do it all the time. In fact, I dont even use bash now unless Im soloing, and you know what? Im always tanking.

3) Id like to see you keep a party with that "I dont HAVE to heal you" philosophy. If you dont want to heal the fighter/archer/mage, but you want their exp, then Im sure theyll appreciate another fighter/archer/mage, instead of you, because those classes will actually CONTRIBUTE to the dmg dealing.

4) If you are in teh party, and they die, it IS your fault. As I said before: they party you for the heals. They are depending on you. Yes, they can buy pots and stones, but why use these when you have a cleric that can heal you for 2k+ using only 62 sp?

5) The reason they dont respect you is because you dome into a pt, with skills mostly in healing and support, yet you think youre measly dmg will have an effect.

6) Another reason they dont respect you, is because you think "IM A CLANK!!!!" and refuse to heal.

7) Most of your skills are in heal.. not using heal.. is like if a mage refused to use all of his skills except debuff, dispell, and lifetap. Or if an archer refused to use his DOTs. Or if a fighter refused to use any of his skills that stunnes, cursed, or pulled aggro.

8) You want other classes to do things, mages to aoe, archer to aoe, fighters to stun/tank, yet you dont want to heal? Methinks you is leech.


//PWND

[Klothos]

Hahaha.. hahaha... wow.. ahahaha...

1) Clerics are made to be support in parties, via heal and support buffs

2) You can tank AND heal your pt. I do it all the time. In fact, I dont even use bash now unless Im soloing, and you know what? Im always tanking.

3) Id like to see you keep a party with that "I dont HAVE to heal you" philosophy. If you dont want to heal the fighter/archer/mage, but you want their exp, then Im sure theyll appreciate another fighter/archer/mage, instead of you, because those classes will actually CONTRIBUTE to the dmg dealing.

4) If you are in teh party, and they die, it IS your fault. As I said before: they party you for the heals. They are depending on you. Yes, they can buy pots and stones, but why use these when you have a cleric that can heal you for 2k+ using only 62 sp?

5) The reason they dont respect you is because you dome into a pt, with skills mostly in healing and support, yet you think youre measly dmg will have an effect.

6) Another reason they dont respect you, is because you think "IM A CLANK!!!!" and refuse to heal.

7) Most of your skills are in heal.. not using heal.. is like if a mage refused to use all of his skills except debuff, dispell, and lifetap. Or if an archer refused to use his DOTs. Or if a fighter refused to use any of his skills that stunnes, cursed, or pulled aggro.

8) You want other classes to do things, mages to aoe, archer to aoe, fighters to stun/tank, yet you dont want to heal? Methinks you is leech.


//PWND

I agree with your philosophy, for the most part, but I totally disagree with Number 4 (In bold)

There are many reasons that people die in a party that are no way my fault. Two of the most common are "Pulling more aggro than they (Tanks) can handle" and "Partymembers all over the map" ( If I have to run all over the place to heal, the party is dead). There are other reasons but I'll just focus on these. I will not get blamed for stupid decision-making on other players' part - If I am in Heal-Bot Mode, I am not driving the car...When Im a Heal-Bot, its up to the Tank(s) to drive the car and keep everyone together, draw mobs that they can handle, and check on the safety of their partymembers (Even with my All STR-build, Im always going to default to Heal over Clank if Im the only Cleric (and if Im in Utility Player Mode, I always Heal FIRST), but if other class players want me to do heal, they need to make sure I'm not getting attacked). Its up to the Archers and Mages to position themselves somewhere in my vicinity/heal range to the best of their ability and vice-versa for me. "If they die, its my fault" will NEVER be a philosophy with me because I see stupid decison-making all the time ( OK, it has gotten way better as I have leveled up - but Im just saying :) ). Im not saying that I have never made mistakes - We all have - but Im not going to take the brunt of it when I know for a fact that Tank 1 drew too much aggro or Tank 2 was in Oz on the Map and there was no way to Heal Tank 2 AND heal other partymembers on the other side of the map .....

[DF001]

Well said Kaiten, you officially pwned this thread.

[Penhaligon_5]

1st) Just to comment on things, most clerics who do chat while in a party, has the effect of getting someone killed; this is true whether you like it or not. And I mean an aoe party, not a small party barely doing anything
2nd) I am a str cleric, I never said being a str cleric was bad, as long as you know how important healing is.
3rd) Like many people have stated, as to who you are pertaining a party/aoe party, your role is to heal, not tank. There are a few clankers that can do it, but most cannot hold aggro.
And 4th) I'm not trying to be mean to anyone, I was just stating obvious 'facts'.

[FrontierVortex]

This is another one of those "New players are going to be mad at me" kind of posts.

The "Clank" and the "Full Support" cleric are the two major archetypes of Clerics in fiesta. I personally play my Cleric as the situation demands. I am a 25 Spr/Rest End Cleric and find both roles easy to fill. Now when playing on my various alts I have run into Cleric's who could not even keep themselves alive let alone keep me alive so I have become fairly jaded towards newer Clerics. As for the Clerics not talking while partying subject, there are times when a Cleric can speak and should do his talking and times when a Cleric can not.

All of that being said, I started playing Fiesta in the middle of January after many years of playing other MMO's. At that time the average player had a fairly good grasp of what is expected of their character in most situations. Now before I get flamed, there always have and always will be players who are simply bad and therefore do not know how to play their character. I have run into players of all classes in the 60's and 70's who simply cannot perform their basic class functions, generally after gloating about how good they are. When I returned from a work forced vacation in the middle of September I was in the 6x bg in a party of myself, then lvl 69, 2 fighters in their mid 60's and an archer in the low 60's. After about the fifth pull I simply left. Neither of the supposed "awesome" tanks would use Mock or Kick and the Archer never once used a DoT. The worst part was that none of them would accept my advice on how best to help out the party. Those that know me know that I can come across a little harsh sometimes, but in this situation I was not.

I think that the threads attempting to tell Clerics how to play their characters is an indictment of the entire newer crop of Fiesta player.

[Klothos]

This is another one of those "New players are going to be mad at me" kind of posts.

The "Clank" and the "Full Support" cleric are the two major archetypes of Clerics in fiesta. I personally play my Cleric as the situation demands. I am a 25 Spr/Rest End Cleric and find both roles easy to fill. Now when playing on my various alts I have run into Cleric's who could not even keep themselves alive let alone keep me alive so I have become fairly jaded towards newer Clerics. As for the Clerics not talking while partying subject, there are times when a Cleric can speak and should do his talking and times when a Cleric can not.

All of that being said, I started playing Fiesta in the middle of January after many years of playing other MMO's. At that time the average player had a fairly good grasp of what is expected of their character in most situations. Now before I get flamed, there always have and always will be players who are simply bad and therefore do not know how to play their character. I have run into players of all classes in the 60's and 70's who simply cannot perform their basic class functions, generally after gloating about how good they are. When I returned from a work forced vacation in the middle of September I was in the 6x bg in a party of myself, then lvl 69, 2 fighters in their mid 60's and an archer in the low 60's. After about the fifth pull I simply left. Neither of the supposed "awesome" tanks would use Mock or Kick and the Archer never once used a DoT. The worst part was that none of them would accept my advice on how best to help out the party. Those that know me know that I can come across a little harsh sometimes, but in this situation I was not.

I think that the threads attempting to tell Clerics how to play their characters is an indictment of the entire newer crop of Fiesta player.

The real problem (to me) is that Fiesta got easier. If you start a new character now, you will see that all the low level quests have been edited - quest kills are down to a minimum (example: the Robin greenkey quest used to be 20, now its 5). Nowadays, new players are getting to their late lvl 30s in the same amount of time it took us to get to mid 20s back then.


But even more important is that a lot of the low level mobs dont aggro anymore (these include smart phinos, boogys, speedy slimes, slow slimes, kebings and a whole lot others). There was no teleport gates and a Lvl 20 player could never make it on foot to Elderine through Forest Of Mist because of all the aggro. It was harder back then - it forced a cleric into situational playing early and new players got a grasp on how Fiesta plays out as a game

The current setup doesnt provide enough of a challenge for new players to figure out that they have to party and play as a team to complete goals in a minimized timeframe

The way Fiesta is so easily setup now, they dont have a reason to

[bobkami123]

well... if u dont heal them they start cussing at u and u can easily ss the cussing and jailtime them. abuse ur abilities, young jedi and soon u will go with the sith cuz the sith has free cookies! im srs u can jailtime them... rly srs and buff pl0x my response- gtfo and stfu stupid 9 yr old delinquent

[Lynxeh]

The real problem (to me) is that Fiesta got easier. If you start a new character now, you will see that all the low level quests have been edited - quest kills are down to a minimum (example: the Robin greenkey quest used to be 20, now its 5). Nowadays, new players are getting to their late lvl 30s in the same amount of time it took us to get to mid 20s back then.


But even more important is that a lot of the low level mobs dont aggro anymore (these include smart phinos, boogys, speedy slimes, slow slimes, kebings and a whole lot others). There was no teleport gates and a Lvl 20 player could never make it on foot to Elderine through Forest Of Mist because of all the aggro. It was harder back then - it forced a cleric into situational playing early and new players got a grasp on how Fiesta plays out as a game

The current setup doesnt provide enough of a challenge for new players to figure out that they have to party and play as a team to complete goals in a minimized timeframe

The way Fiesta is so easily setup now, they dont have a reason to

You forgot abyss. Basically a powerlevel of the new generation.

[meco16]

choosing to play as a cleric you are given all the freedom. but it depends on the person really.. even if the cleric has a battle attack build, it would be great if the cleric know his/her role in the party. we join a party to make our leveling easier but what if the cleric dose not heal?and you always die..you must know your limitations too. having a party buff is already an advantage. but if you are still unsatisfied, you can always kick and maybe the cleric would realize. im playing a cleric and i have huge regrets over it.. its too boring. when im in a party i can hardly talk cause of the [spam]healing. i know that i can always not-heal but would you not feel bad if a party mate keeps on dying because of you?then your whole party follows[mobbed in abyss] when we solo it gets boring not having an aoe attack skill.and it takes too long to kill..too tedious[trying to lvlup solo is NEVER going to cap or lvl up when ur 55+ (unless your really patient)] i realized that "everyone" is up for themselves only or maybe almost all.Clerics who dont know how to heal/buff should make fighters instead of trying to drag everyone down.

[The-Great-Paladin]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.

1) clerics role is to support actually, learn your classes, if the best way to keep ur pt alive is to clank then doo it =) if clank can hold 15/20 mobs on them compared to tanks about 5, cleric tanking = best form of keeping pt alive, due to 15 attacing pt members is much more dangerous than 5..
2) u can click heal without shortcut keys while typing, learn to play cleric.
3) everyone makes mistakes including urself
4) doesn't work, i am normally nice but people listern more if ur a lil harsh, although anyone that argues on a game takes it far to seriously
5) learn to play cleric =)
6) learn to play cleric =)
above go for all ur other points u bring up in future

[xAvP2MasTeRx]

Cleric shouldn't talk in parties? you are delusional.

I rarely type in parties (to concentrate, obviously) but if someone ask me something i will answer the soonest i can, i will never ignore them or say nothing, myself i am a solo cleric, but whenever somebody needs help or is doing the same quest as me, i will accept without question.

I always stay behind and heal whoever needs me when i am in parties, but sometimes i can fight and heal myself/party members at the same time. I have to admit that it's not always fun to stay behind while everybody else have all the fun, but somebody has to keep them alive. It really depends which enemies we are killing, and the size of the mob.

I understand that cleric are the supporting class, and should heal, but it's mostly the players decision to do whatever they want, i have to agree though, if you don't heal, don't join parties.

[JeanClaude]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)


(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.



*eyetwitch* hitting a real sore spot here, and I cant even count how many threads there are allready on this topic lol. *shoves all clericy threads into one super massive thread*

Now, dont get me wrong, I totally respect your opinion, HOWEVER, this is just begging for a valo rant D: LOL


First I guess I'll begin with my story of clericy valo-ness, then pinpoint individual things.

When I first started out with my cleric, I generally soloed, I didnt know many people on the server, and wasn't really sure what I was doing until I joined my very first guild, where I met, you guessed it, Vadel. He was the only other member of the guild who wasnt 15+ lvls higher than me, so we partied often, and tbh, i had no idea what dungeons were until I started partying with him and he took me to the 30 dungeon. Well we found ZK, and i was like o_o *** is that? it hurts! he loled at me, I had taken aggro, because I was spam healing, which, I had been told time and time again is what clerics were supposed to do in a party. Once we got back to ZK,

Vadel: okay, valo..dont heal me, just hit something so you dont pull aggro again.
DarkValo: o.o..
*notices his hp getting lower, and heals*
Vadel: VALOO dooont i'll be fine just hit something!!
DarkValo:
*itching to heal, and panicking*

then ZK dies, and i realized, YOU ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON MY HEALS! YOU CAN STONE! YOU CAN POT! YOU CAN KEEP YOURSELF ALIVE YOU DO NOT NEED A CLERIC IF YOU BUILD YOUR CHAR PROPERLY AND KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING!!

*eyetwitch*


And so I continued on, eventually Vadel and I started duoing GGK as well, and he allowed me to throw in a few heals, as the mages were annoying as hell, and the aoe hurt me quite a bit. So I couldnt do much there aside from stand back, throw in the occasional heal, invinc, restore, and then dance lol. and, around 46, awaiting the oh so coveted endure skill, I was partied with Condiments, while he worked on his orc lic. and i'd spam heal, he never let me take aggro, but every so often he'd say,

"Valo you really dont have to heal, if you want to just cast a restore every so often and pick herbs or do whatever thats fine"

So I started to get used to the idea of it, not needing to heal alllll the time. Vadel and I continued to party together, constantly, and eventually, it got to the point where I was just so used to NOT healing, and being told STOP HEALING ME! HIT SOMETHING!

and the lines that will stick with me for the rest of my pixelized life:

Vadel: stop healing lol, I can stay alive without heals, just hit something.
DarkValo: but I have sucky dmg T_T
Vadel: Any bit of dmg helps, brings them down faster, besides, I know healing gets boring after a while.

_______________________
Now okay, lemme get a bit more organized and into more detail here.

1. Classes:
Fighter~ assumed role being the tank of the party. Now, how many sigs, shouts, w/e do you see, along the lines of: FULL STR DD FIGHTER
DD is NOT a tank. Now I've seen a few complaints on that, but not NEARLY as many as there are for 'clanks'

Clerics~ yes, our assumed role is a support class and the healer of the party. However, In a full party in oh say an aoe or dungeon situation. Your poorly built tank is screaming at you for heals, your spam healing, then something spawns on your mage, and you've got to heal the mage, the tank continues to scream at you forheals when he/she could clearly use a damn stone for a second. so, you pull aggro off the mage, and since your tank REFUSES to pot or stone, they die, all aggro goes back to the mage who just casted nova. and theres no saving them. so eventually, you die. the whole party dies. who gets the blame? the cleric.

heres a tip.
DONT PULL MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE!
HAVING A CLERIC IS A LUXORY
USE A STONE SHOULD SOMEONE ELSE PULL AGGRO
and heres a good one,
MOCK!!!
do NOT ever completly rely on the cleric, you cant always assume they're the best heal slave in the universe and can keep a full party of 5 alive while everyone including his/herself has aggro.
DEPEND ON YOURSELF! AND ONLY YOURSELF!

2. Parties/KQs
Yes, generally, in an aoe its appropriate for the cleric to keep the party alive, and in KQs. However if you have a good tank who doesnt need it, why stand there and heal the whole time? why not hit something? or, as so forbidden...have a conversation?

3. Talking
If you can manage to talk and keep everyone alive at the same time, fine. Dont forbid us from talking all together, thats just begging to get flamed.

4. Buffs
I ignore them, (: I seriously walk around on hide mode, I dont notice people spamming me anymore until they whisper me, then its auto block, I dont deal with it anymore. Yes, Im a cruel evil mean dispicable cleric, get over it >=P
__________________

Now I myself as a cleric can also "out-cleric" plenty of other clerics, but I take it to the next level. Not only do I keep a full party alive in a dungeon aoe scenario, but I also add my own dmg while doing so. And yes admittedly so, its because I have in my opinion, the absolute best tank in all of teva as my wifey/hubby by my side.


Don't just pick on the new generation of clerics, its tanks as well. Fighters have simply forgotten how to tank, or just refuse to. And clerics have become a substitute tank, so cant really pin the blame on clerics in general.


Yes I do see your point of view, and some clerics are well, ridiculous to say in the nicest way possible. but so are some of these so called "tanks"

I simply refuse to party with people I dont know anymore, because of how rude a majority of them are to me as a cleric. blaming me for death, calling me a moron for hitting something. Hey, with over 2k dmg at my lvl, why the hell should I not hit something? I do more damage than some fighters I know, admittedly, i dont have enough skills to make my 2k dmg much usefull, but anything helps.

And I refuse to even KQ anymore unless I'm asked to by a friend to help out, or fill the slot, or I need a bit of quick cash. I'm partied immediately by the new generation who dont know me as the "I shall not heal thou" bish cleric I've been labeled by the majority of the community. Then the "tank" cant even do his job properly when I'm doing mine? I end up tanking KQs more than the other 'tanks' in a majority of the KQs I participate in lately.


So, I prefer to party with just people who know me, if its convenient for me to heal, fine I'll heal, but if I dont have to, I wont, and these people know that, and respect that. I just wont party with anyone otherwise. Simple as that. Its not that I WONT heal, or CANT heal, I just prefer not to ;]


Which party would you choose,

A: the full party going for GH where the tank always pulls too much and doesnt know how to stone/pot while your saving the other party members.

B: Or the party where you get more exp because your not dying as often trying to save moronic fighters who call themselves tanks, and you dont have to do much aside from hit things, cast an occasional invinc or restore, or even just sit there and dance.

yeah I pick B, thats what Im used to. I can outcleric most people in party A as well, but if I have a choice? party B, duh.


Thats the freedom of the game, we have the CHOICE. I really should have chosen a different class, but refuse to start anew, Ive gotten way too far with my cleric, her gear is absolutely phenomenal, and shes awesome (:

So hate me if you will, but I love being the DPS cleric of teva, it works for me, its just a game. I have fun with it.



Okay I think I'm done, running on like ZERO sleep here, theres my rant, lol.

Again, No offence, at all, i toally see your point and respect it. But thats my rant, my opinion, not sure if i made my point and im not going to read the whole thing through again lmao.

[random]

But if that was all the cleric class was meant to do, don't you think they would have given a more appropriate name? like heal-monkey or something.


I Lol'ed so hard at that Jelly, may I add that to a thread I'm working on? LMAO

[Lynxeh]

[QUOTE=JeanClaude;1277956]*eyetwitch* hitting a real sore spot here, and I cant even count how many threads there are allready on this topic lol. *shoves all clericy threads into one super massive thread*

Now, dont get me wrong, I totally respect your opinion, HOWEVER, this is just begging for a valo rant D: LOL


First I guess I'll begin with my story of clericy valo-ness, then pinpoint individual things.

When I first started out with my cleric, I generally soloed, I didnt know many people on the server, and wasn't really sure what I was doing until I joined my very first guild, where I met, you guessed it, Vadel. He was the only other member of the guild who wasnt 15+ lvls higher than me, so we partied often, and tbh, i had no idea what dungeons were until I started partying with him and he took me to the 30 dungeon. Well we found ZK, and i was like o_o *** is that? it hurts! he loled at me, I had taken aggro, because I was spam healing, which, I had been told time and time again is what clerics were supposed to do in a party. Once we got back to ZK,

Vadel: okay, valo..dont heal me, just hit something so you dont pull aggro again.
DarkValo: o.o..
*notices his hp getting lower, and heals*
Vadel: VALOO dooont i'll be fine just hit something!!
DarkValo:
*itching to heal, and panicking*

then ZK dies, and i realized, YOU ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON MY HEALS! YOU CAN STONE! YOU CAN POT! YOU CAN KEEP YOURSELF ALIVE YOU DO NOT NEED A CLERIC IF YOU BUILD YOUR CHAR PROPERLY AND KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING!!

*eyetwitch*


And so I continued on, eventually Vadel and I started duoing GGK as well, and he allowed me to throw in a few heals, as the mages were annoying as hell, and the aoe hurt me quite a bit. So I couldnt do much there aside from stand back, throw in the occasional heal, invinc, restore, and then dance lol. and, around 46, awaiting the oh so coveted endure skill, I was partied with Condiments, while he worked on his orc lic. and i'd spam heal, he never let me take aggro, but every so often he'd say,

"Valo you really dont have to heal, if you want to just cast a restore every so often and pick herbs or do whatever thats fine"

So I started to get used to the idea of it, not needing to heal alllll the time. Vadel and I continued to party together, constantly, and eventually, it got to the point where I was just so used to NOT healing, and being told STOP HEALING ME! HIT SOMETHING!

and the lines that will stick with me for the rest of my pixelized life:

Vadel: stop healing lol, I can stay alive without heals, just hit something.
DarkValo: but I have sucky dmg T_T
Vadel: Any bit of dmg helps, brings them down faster, besides, I know healing gets boring after a while.

You DO realize that that is just one case where you don't need to heal. Clerics are used basically so they don't have to SPAM pots and stones. In your case, he didn't need you, at all, period.

Secondly, I agree with Penh on everything. He is basically giving an outline on how things should be. Yes, some people can handle talking and healing in a party. Some can't.

Same with clanking. When you're clanking you're spamming heals on yourself, but you WILL lose aggro to a mage with Nova/Inferno or an archer spamming Mist. Just like mock, which doesn't hold the amount of mobs they bring, the same happens with heal. And if you're busy getting nailed by the majority of the mob, healing strickly yourself so you won't die, the squishies may very well die.

Sorta off topic now, but yes. I do realize the new generation of fighters need to learn how to mock. But what is more important (this has been stated in another thread) a fighter who won't mock, or a cleric who won't heal?

[Lynxeh]

Oops, internet gave out during the first post. Didn't see it post. >.<

[novotny]

haha, this post makes laugh.

I agree with valo on everything basically. I hope to play with people like u soon.

Clerics should do everything in their power to keep their party alive. However, one thing i don't get is why it seems most other clerics i play with always spam their top heal spell at that time. If you do the math, its easy to see that you save Sp by spamming a lower lvl of heal spell, for giving the same amount of health to your partied member, and it draws less aggro.

In the case that ur restore + lower lvl heal isn't keeping up, i bet its helping enough so that you can cast low lvl heal 5-10 times, and then full lvl heal just to boost the tank's health back to full, and start over. This draws far less aggro than some clerics i've seen just spamming full lvl heal for their own lvl.

i'm not that far into the cleric scene yet, but honestly, why does it seem that everyone is thinking for themselves? Tanks want to be healed, archers and mages want others to pull more aggro, clerics want to be just players. I mean, why don't tankers want to hold enemies to save others. Why don't DD want to be a DD and at the same time don't pull aggro to mess up the cleric? Why don't clerics want to just play the game and support the tank/DD if they so happen to need it?

stop thinking about urselves for once. Do something FOR the team.

"It's not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

erm, party i mean.

[MMORPGNERD]

umm agreed except for the typing part... and why does every1 care when u say plz instead of please?? thats so dumb and useless

[meco16]

*eyetwitch* hitting a real sore spot here, and I cant even count how many threads there are allready on this topic lol. *shoves all clericy threads into one super massive thread*

Now, dont get me wrong, I totally respect your opinion, HOWEVER, this is just begging for a valo rant D: LOL


First I guess I'll begin with my story of clericy valo-ness, then pinpoint individual things.

When I first started out with my cleric, I generally soloed, I didnt know many people on the server, and wasn't really sure what I was doing until I joined my very first guild, where I met, you guessed it, Vadel. He was the only other member of the guild who wasnt 15+ lvls higher than me, so we partied often, and tbh, i had no idea what dungeons were until I started partying with him and he took me to the 30 dungeon. Well we found ZK, and i was like o_o *** is that? it hurts! he loled at me, I had taken aggro, because I was spam healing, which, I had been told time and time again is what clerics were supposed to do in a party. Once we got back to ZK,

Vadel: okay, valo..dont heal me, just hit something so you dont pull aggro again.
DarkValo: o.o..
*notices his hp getting lower, and heals*
Vadel: VALOO dooont i'll be fine just hit something!!
DarkValo:
*itching to heal, and panicking*

then ZK dies, and i realized, YOU ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON MY HEALS! YOU CAN STONE! YOU CAN POT! YOU CAN KEEP YOURSELF ALIVE YOU DO NOT NEED A CLERIC IF YOU BUILD YOUR CHAR PROPERLY AND KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING!!

*eyetwitch*


And so I continued on, eventually Vadel and I started duoing GGK as well, and he allowed me to throw in a few heals, as the mages were annoying as hell, and the aoe hurt me quite a bit. So I couldnt do much there aside from stand back, throw in the occasional heal, invinc, restore, and then dance lol. and, around 46, awaiting the oh so coveted endure skill, I was partied with Condiments, while he worked on his orc lic. and i'd spam heal, he never let me take aggro, but every so often he'd say,

"Valo you really dont have to heal, if you want to just cast a restore every so often and pick herbs or do whatever thats fine"

So I started to get used to the idea of it, not needing to heal alllll the time. Vadel and I continued to party together, constantly, and eventually, it got to the point where I was just so used to NOT healing, and being told STOP HEALING ME! HIT SOMETHING!

and the lines that will stick with me for the rest of my pixelized life:

Vadel: stop healing lol, I can stay alive without heals, just hit something.
DarkValo: but I have sucky dmg T_T
Vadel: Any bit of dmg helps, brings them down faster, besides, I know healing gets boring after a while.

_______________________
Now okay, lemme get a bit more organized and into more detail here.

1. Classes:
Fighter~ assumed role being the tank of the party. Now, how many sigs, shouts, w/e do you see, along the lines of: FULL STR DD FIGHTER
DD is NOT a tank. Now I've seen a few complaints on that, but not NEARLY as many as there are for 'clanks'

Clerics~ yes, our assumed role is a support class and the healer of the party. However, In a full party in oh say an aoe or dungeon situation. Your poorly built tank is screaming at you for heals, your spam healing, then something spawns on your mage, and you've got to heal the mage, the tank continues to scream at you forheals when he/she could clearly use a damn stone for a second. so, you pull aggro off the mage, and since your tank REFUSES to pot or stone, they die, all aggro goes back to the mage who just casted nova. and theres no saving them. so eventually, you die. the whole party dies. who gets the blame? the cleric.

heres a tip.
DONT PULL MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE!
HAVING A CLERIC IS A LUXORY
USE A STONE SHOULD SOMEONE ELSE PULL AGGRO
and heres a good one,
MOCK!!!
do NOT ever completly rely on the cleric, you cant always assume they're the best heal slave in the universe and can keep a full party of 5 alive while everyone including his/herself has aggro.
DEPEND ON YOURSELF! AND ONLY YOURSELF!

2. Parties/KQs
Yes, generally, in an aoe its appropriate for the cleric to keep the party alive, and in KQs. However if you have a good tank who doesnt need it, why stand there and heal the whole time? why not hit something? or, as so forbidden...have a conversation?

3. Talking
If you can manage to talk and keep everyone alive at the same time, fine. Dont forbid us from talking all together, thats just begging to get flamed.

4. Buffs
I ignore them, (: I seriously walk around on hide mode, I dont notice people spamming me anymore until they whisper me, then its auto block, I dont deal with it anymore. Yes, Im a cruel evil mean dispicable cleric, get over it >=P
__________________

Now I myself as a cleric can also "out-cleric" plenty of other clerics, but I take it to the next level. Not only do I keep a full party alive in a dungeon aoe scenario, but I also add my own dmg while doing so. And yes admittedly so, its because I have in my opinion, the absolute best tank in all of teva as my wifey/hubby by my side.


Don't just pick on the new generation of clerics, its tanks as well. Fighters have simply forgotten how to tank, or just refuse to. And clerics have become a substitute tank, so cant really pin the blame on clerics in general.


Yes I do see your point of view, and some clerics are well, ridiculous to say in the nicest way possible. but so are some of these so called "tanks"

I simply refuse to party with people I dont know anymore, because of how rude a majority of them are to me as a cleric. blaming me for death, calling me a moron for hitting something. Hey, with over 2k dmg at my lvl, why the hell should I not hit something? I do more damage than some fighters I know, admittedly, i dont have enough skills to make my 2k dmg much usefull, but anything helps.

And I refuse to even KQ anymore unless I'm asked to by a friend to help out, or fill the slot, or I need a bit of quick cash. I'm partied immediately by the new generation who dont know me as the "I shall not heal thou" bish cleric I've been labeled by the majority of the community. Then the "tank" cant even do his job properly when I'm doing mine? I end up tanking KQs more than the other 'tanks' in a majority of the KQs I participate in lately.


So, I prefer to party with just people who know me, if its convenient for me to heal, fine I'll heal, but if I dont have to, I wont, and these people know that, and respect that. I just wont party with anyone otherwise. Simple as that. Its not that I WONT heal, or CANT heal, I just prefer not to ;]


Which party would you choose,

A: the full party going for GH where the tank always pulls too much and doesnt know how to stone/pot while your saving the other party members.

B: Or the party where you get more exp because your not dying as often trying to save moronic fighters who call themselves tanks, and you dont have to do much aside from hit things, cast an occasional invinc or restore, or even just sit there and dance.

yeah I pick B, thats what Im used to. I can outcleric most people in party A as well, but if I have a choice? party B, duh.


Thats the freedom of the game, we have the CHOICE. I really should have chosen a different class, but refuse to start anew, Ive gotten way too far with my cleric, her gear is absolutely phenomenal, and shes awesome (:

So hate me if you will, but I love being the DPS cleric of teva, it works for me, its just a game. I have fun with it.



Okay I think I'm done, running on like ZERO sleep here, theres my rant, lol.

Again, No offence, at all, i toally see your point and respect it. But thats my rant, my opinion, not sure if i made my point and im not going to read the whole thing through again lmao.

[random]



I Lol'ed so hard at that Jelly, may I add that to a thread I'm working on? LMAO


is the longest (non-spam) post ive seen in my pixilated life.:eek:
+rep to that even if it did hurt my eye.

[FrontierVortex]

Clerics should do everything in their power to keep their party alive. However, one thing i don't get is why it seems most other clerics i play with always spam their top heal spell at that time. If you do the math, its easy to see that you save Sp by spamming a lower lvl of heal spell, for giving the same amount of health to your partied member, and it draws less aggro.

In the case that ur restore + lower lvl heal isn't keeping up, i bet its helping enough so that you can cast low lvl heal 5-10 times, and then full lvl heal just to boost the tank's health back to full, and start over. This draws far less aggro than some clerics i've seen just spamming full lvl heal for their own lvl.


I only spam heal when partying with my wifey, who is almost 20 levels below me, and that is only because when doing stuff with her the mobs bore me to tears. Healing IS NOT about mashing whichever hotkey you set for Heal but rather as others have, once again, pointed out a timing issue. Yes, spam healing has its uses, particularly when clanking, but for the most part it is less effective than healing at the correct time.

[Penhaligon_5]

1) clerics role is to support actually, learn your classes, if the best way to keep ur pt alive is to clank then doo it =) if clank can hold 15/20 mobs on them compared to tanks about 5, cleric tanking = best form of keeping pt alive, due to 15 attacing pt members is much more dangerous than 5..
2) u can click heal without shortcut keys while typing, learn to play cleric.
3) everyone makes mistakes including urself
4) doesn't work, i am normally nice but people listern more if ur a lil harsh, although anyone that argues on a game takes it far to seriously
5) learn to play cleric =)
6) learn to play cleric =)
above go for all ur other points u bring up in future


First off, I do know how to play my character and I would appreciate you not bashing me as the purpose of this thread was not to bash people.
Second, most of the clerics I was talking about only focus on the typing, not the healing. There are people who can multitask efficiently, but most cannot.
Third, directed towards the "learn your classes" comment, once again is rude and do not bash others. Also, the definition of a "support character" is the same as that in literature. "Support characters help the 'hero'". So, I'll be rude back, and say, learn your definitions.


umm agreed except for the typing part... and why does every1 care when u say plz instead of please?? thats so dumb and useless

Because if you look at our modern society, most people are a bunch of morons who are illiterate and should go through school again. Taking shortcuts helps in the short run, but if you continuously take shortcuts, you'll no longer even know how to do it the long, or proper, way.

[Klothos]

Because if you look at our modern society, most people are a bunch of morons who are illiterate and should go through school again. Taking shortcuts helps in the short run, but if you continuously take shortcuts, you'll no longer even know how to do it the long, or proper, way.


... On the other hand, 1337 speak and its derivatives are all part of internet linguistics, which is a relatively new form of communication and continually evolving. Im on a computer and on the net so therefore I accept it as proper net communication syntax

This is why I accept "Plz" and similar

Im not saying you're wrong by any means (especially the 'morons' part), but Im just saying that there is another way to look at it

[ChosenDragon]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.

1- People can play their character however they want.

Easiest example: the fighter
"I'm the only fighter in this KQ but I can't tank because my shield is +8 not +9 or because I only have an axe"
That you don't like their way of playing is not their problem.
Just kick them from your party and get someone else.

2- Nothing much to add, its obvious not good to talk too much when your party is getting creamed.

3- Actually this you got wrong, the cleric is the last piece of the party that you sacrifice. Whether its his fault or not. Why you may ask?

Simple, someone has to ress everyone, its still their role to protect us so we can protect them. Say they attacked when you weren't ready and lets say its the clerics fault, if the clerics die the party has to completely stop until that cleric makes his way back to the party providing hes the only cleric. But if say, a dd or fighter sacrificed himself, you can ress him after and make up his exp without much delay.

4- I usually dont ask for grammar during a KQ since I pretty much auto-buff everyone around me. But in Elderine its another story. I DONT have to buff you, I DONT have to heal you, heck I dont really have to talk to you at all.
If they cant bother to write a 6 lettered word like please I ain't buffin them.

5- I'm really tired of these annoying do this or do that threads about clerics and the other classes

[Daevor]

Vadel: stop healing lol, I can stay alive without heals, just hit something.
DarkValo: but I have sucky dmg T_T


I may be completely misunderstanding what you're saying, but it seems to me that in situations like this, the cleric is little more than a leech. :eek:




Which party would you choose,

A: the full party going for GH where the tank always pulls too much and doesnt know how to stone/pot while your saving the other party members.

B: Or the party where you get more exp because your not dying as often trying to save moronic fighters who call themselves tanks, and you dont have to do much aside from hit things, cast an occasional invinc or restore, or even just sit there and dance.


I choose option C: the party where you get most experience, because the cleric is actually supporting the party as best as possible, giving the rest of the party the confidence to take on more mobs than in option B, but still kill them in the same amount of time.
I choose option C, as this is the most effective party: you're killing more mobs, gaining more experience and getting more drops in the same amount of time than in any other party setup.

[JeanClaude]

You DO realize that that is just one case where you don't need to heal. Clerics are used basically so they don't have to SPAM pots and stones. In your case, he didn't need you, at all, period.

Secondly, I agree with Penh on everything. He is basically giving an outline on how things should be. Yes, some people can handle talking and healing in a party. Some can't.

Same with clanking. When you're clanking you're spamming heals on yourself, but you WILL lose aggro to a mage with Nova/Inferno or an archer spamming Mist. Just like mock, which doesn't hold the amount of mobs they bring, the same happens with heal. And if you're busy getting nailed by the majority of the mob, healing strickly yourself so you won't die, the squishies may very well die.

Sorta off topic now, but yes. I do realize the new generation of fighters need to learn how to mock. But what is more important (this has been stated in another thread) a fighter who won't mock, or a cleric who won't heal?


Yes, I see your point, I'm not saying a cleric should always be a clank, and never heal their party, having a healer in the party is a luxory, theres times when you cant always get ahold of a cleric, and you should always rely on yourself. I guess thats what I was trying to get at there, rely on yourself, not the cleric, dont even rely on the tank. Everyone is capable of lag, which can result in an accidental death on any classes part, so relying on a cleric, when they lag, even if their spamming heal it doesnt always save everyone in time.

As for the which is more important, to me? neither, every class should be trying to support their party in the way they were meant to I agree on that, but there is also the freedom of doing as you please.



haha, this post makes laugh.

I agree with valo on everything basically. I hope to play with people like u soon.

Clerics should do everything in their power to keep their party alive. However, one thing i don't get is why it seems most other clerics i play with always spam their top heal spell at that time. If you do the math, its easy to see that you save Sp by spamming a lower lvl of heal spell, for giving the same amount of health to your partied member, and it draws less aggro.

In the case that ur restore + lower lvl heal isn't keeping up, i bet its helping enough so that you can cast low lvl heal 5-10 times, and then full lvl heal just to boost the tank's health back to full, and start over. This draws far less aggro than some clerics i've seen just spamming full lvl heal for their own lvl.

i'm not that far into the cleric scene yet, but honestly, why does it seem that everyone is thinking for themselves? Tanks want to be healed, archers and mages want others to pull more aggro, clerics want to be just players. I mean, why don't tankers want to hold enemies to save others. Why don't DD want to be a DD and at the same time don't pull aggro to mess up the cleric? Why don't clerics want to just play the game and support the tank/DD if they so happen to need it?

stop thinking about urselves for once. Do something FOR the team.

"It's not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

erm, party i mean.

Thanks o.o, Dont get me wrong I dont mind healing, but any long played cleric will agree, standing there healing gets boring after a while.
(watch some one say oh no its never boring just because i said that T_T)


is the longest (non-spam) post ive seen in my pixilated life.:eek:
+rep to that even if it did hurt my eye.

Lol thanks D: sorry I'd have been more organized if i'd had any sleep at all, I'm still not really awake yet, past 4am just woke up >.<


First off, I do know how to play my character and I would appreciate you not bashing me as the purpose of this thread was not to bash people.
Second, most of the clerics I was talking about only focus on the typing, not the healing. There are people who can multitask efficiently, but most cannot.
Third, directed towards the "learn your classes" comment, once again is rude and do not bash others. Also, the definition of a "support character" is the same as that in literature. "Support characters help the 'hero'". So, I'll be rude back, and say, learn your definitions.



Because if you look at our modern society, most people are a bunch of morons who are illiterate and should go through school again. Taking shortcuts helps in the short run, but if you continuously take shortcuts, you'll no longer even know how to do it the long, or proper, way.

Dont get me wrong here, I completly respect your views and opinions, and I actually like that you've made a guide for the newer generation, however, I guess I was trying to show my side of clericy-ness in my previous post, and I may have failed miserably due to lack of sleep lol. However, the thread no matter how politely written, clerics are a touchy subject with a lot of people, a lot of controversy. I see the sides to both be a clank, and be a healer. whatever way you want to phrase the argument.

I'm extremly stubborn, thats why I see the be a clank side. I got sick of being disrespected as a support healer, by bad tanks, and unnapreciative misc. party members. personal flaw of mine I suppose, but I'm too stubborn to deal with a majority of people who treat me like a doormat.
(even I lost myself on that one *rubs sleep out of her eyes*) xD


I may be completely misunderstanding what you're saying, but it seems to me that in situations like this, the cleric is little more than a leech. :eek:



I choose option C: the party where you get most experience, because the cleric is actually supporting the party as best as possible, giving the rest of the party the confidence to take on more mobs than in option B, but still kill them in the same amount of time.
I choose option C, as this is the most effective party: you're killing more mobs, gaining more experience and getting more drops in the same amount of time than in any other party setup.



I'll admit, lately when I party with Vadel, or his mage, I'm generally leeching. He's a far better player than me, and has the money for sc pots, to provide me with the luxory of not needing to stand there and spam heal, and unfortunately, by the time I even get to a mob to hit it, its dead. *shrugs* He's a better player, one of my best friends in the whole world, and my wifey/hubby ^ ^. He puts up with my stubborn I shall not heal thou label the community has given me, but he knows that if he ever did need a heal, I'd do it.


Now option C:, I like it, but its not my personal preference, I dont focus on just lvling as my main goal (:
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Leeching isnt really the best gameplay, and i am by no means saying follow in my footsteps. I just sorta wanted to show its possible to be a clank, support, DPS, and in my case, a total leech all rolled into one nicely wrapped package.


Remember, Fiesta, is a game, simple as that, nothing more, nothing less. Its a great game and I totally love it, I've been here a long time and I'm not planning on leaving anytime soon, I've worked wayy too hard, I've made some fantastic friends, some that I cant picture my life without talking to them each and every day at this point. But, that being said, it is a game, and its meant to be fun. Everyone has the freedom to choose whichever class they please, build and play it as they desire.

Unfortunately, some people aren't quite building their chars right, or playing in a way that would benefit the community in a party or kq situation.


Now Peng, I totally love that your trying to improve the newer generation of clerics, I see what your trying to say, and I agree with you on the guideline, however, as I stated before clerics are a touchy subject, people will bash at you for it, and I was by no means trying to bash at you, just wanted to get that out there.

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thanks everyone who actually reads my ridiculousy long unorganized and in most cases unhelpful posts, I didnt expect much feedback to be honest ^ ^

[angerchild]

It just hurts a bit that everytime I stop into the cleric forum we are being bashed by everyone...

Everyone seems to feel the need to pick apart this class and they all feel their way is right.

Mages, archers, fighters (the most) and clerics...y'all need to STOP.

I've been in KQ's and was told to "STOP HEALING AND FIGHT!!!"

I've been partied in the abyss and been told, "Stop healing so much...it's drawing more aggro than I can handle, I can heal myself."

I've been in a KQ and 2 mins in a fighter was cursing out ALL the clerics (he hadn't had an ounce of life drop because he hadn't fought anything yet)

I've been in parties where all members ran in different directions and no matter how many times you tried to explain to them that your heal has a range to it...they did it anyway...DEATH!!!

I've been in AOE parties where the fighter gets on his hobby and grabs as many mobs as he can but refuses to mock and I end up DEAD!!!

So basically...all I'm saying is THERE ARE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES TO EVERYTHING.

Try not to over judge...it's just a game.

[smileeloser101]

I think it's about time we got rid of all these "BE THIS" threads. There are a million and one ways to be a cleric and it's nice that we're trying to tell people about the different ways, but now it's more like shoving it down each other's throats.

Live and let live.

[Luke.mc]

Noob clerics are noobs. They suck, we know.

They don't read the forums though; and even if they did read these threads, would they think they were one of whom we were speaking of? No.

[Klothos]

I think it's about time we got rid of all these "BE THIS" threads. There are a million and one ways to be a cleric and it's nice that we're trying to tell people about the different ways, but now it's more like shoving it down each other's throats.

Live and let live.

Yeah, I am too but it seems that any positive-focused thread (such as lenore_lurks excellent "Tips" thread) doesnt seem to stay afloat unless repeatedly bumped. All these debate-focused threads seem to have staying power and Fiesta public-interest.

The old newspaper headline trick: "If it bleeds, it leads"

[looper]

woot i am cleric lv 23 i love this post
and this goes for kq golden hill dont mine all the time clerics
i got 2 team meber kill by doing this and now i dont mine much
youcan mine but dont do it all the time

[smileeloser101]

The old newspaper headline trick: "If it bleeds, it leads"

True. Bad news sells so I guess this is just another variation.

[slime_mushroom]

Fairly new to the game but enjoying it very much. In the past 2.5 weeks I have been around, I have seen a lot of things both that makes being a cleric fun and dreadful.

I do believe that if a cleric can not chat and heal at the same time they should refrain from chatting, I know I have. It is not being anti social for me, it is merely being responsible. My goal as a cleric is to keep the party alive no matter what the cost, but then again this is a personal preference rather than an iron clad rule.

Buffing people is optional. People should learn that clerics do have things to do as well other then buff other people. Clerics should try to help out as much as they can, but they do need some free time of their own. I personally have been harrassed by ill-tempered players when I wouldn't buff them, even after I have told them that I still do not have buffs at my level. You do not have to kiss up to us, just respect us (and this goes for all other classes) and we will be more than happy to help you out.

If I get the urge to tank, I do quests SOLO. This fills my urges to be a tank, after 2 to 3 hours of non stop grinding a cleric will remember that maybe they are more efficient at healing than being tanks; at least my end/spr built is. ;) I am sure that other clerics do well, I personally do not do so because of my built.

Lastly to all classes, learn to love the game. It is the experience of meeting people, seeing new places, and doing things together that matters. It is painful but does not the end the world when the party dies, I personally play the game to relax at bit. Pick up your armor again and forge on, while dying isn't fun, we do learn a few tricks after that.

Happy gaming to all. :D

[FrontierVortex]

The one fact the most of the people saying that Clerics should not tank is that after you get the level 85 aoe heal you are actually MORE efficient at holding aggro than any other class. The amount of hate the spammable aoe heal generates is crazy. I do not have the spell yet, however I was in a party with a level 85 Cleric and a level 86 Fighter and 2 level 83 Mages and the Cleric took aggro at any point they wanted.

[booyah8876]

No hahaha this thread makes me laugh.

Whenever I join a pt I always say that I fight rather than heal seeing as I'm pure STR... if they've got a problem with it, they'll tell me it's not ok... so I can go solo... because I'm pure STR.

If you choose to become a heal-monkey, then fail to be said heal-monkey, then yeah it's your fault.

If someone in the pt dies, it's NOT our fault all the time. If we have a full pt and we're solo cleric, I'm sorry if the tank can't hold aggro, then the mage is getting hurt, the archer is deciding to kite suddenly, and the tank isn't going back to mock the mobs...

you can't honestly tell me that it was MY fault the mage died and so did the tank because I was chasing the archer trying to heal, and the tank didn't want to use a stone...

If I want to talk, then I'll talk. If you start having a full blown conversation about random stupid stuff while you're doing AoE, and heals start to slip because of your excessive chatting, then it's a problem. Telling me I'm not allowed to type at all because my job is healing you, it's extremely rude.

Telling clerics they have to just sit back and heal is like telling the other classes they can only do one thing with the game, and then the game becomes extremely boring and repetetive in every single party you join.

These are my opinions and have been my opinions...

Seeing as how I'm obviously not hated in this game, they can't be too bad, right?

Also at my level we're taking our time, and gradually killing things to level up slowly... most of the time there will be another cleric in the party...

I DID kill someone and I take the blame for it all...

Poor ngel was tanking 5 Jewel Trees that I didn't know she had 5... I finished my quest, hopped off to Uruga really fast, and she died because of it ;-;

That was my fault for not looking to make sure everyone was ok before I left, I could've prevented that.

If you wish to spend your days sitting back in the pt with a pure END cleric, spam healing everyone, have fun. I enjoy chatting, and killing things... the last time I checked, me dealing over 1100 dmg to a Jewel Tree is more appreciated than doing nothing when no one is losing a lot of health.

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[kenji86]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.
u r true but im a healer

[FrostFruit]

Our role is to heal, your right. However, we can heal and tank...at the same time. The cleric heals while luring and still holds on to aggro. It is easy for some. Though, yes...heal is your basic role in the party. That's it. How hard can that be??

Conversations in parties make parties go faster. It is not necessary, but it can't be stop easily. Your advice is good, but most clerics I know will talk and inform me on important messages.

Respect is something everyone can agree with.

The phrase buff plox is not irritating. I would not waste time typing, "please use proper grammar". It is just a waste of time.

There are people who do find it irritating..which I find odd. So, the best thing to say to a cleric when asking for a buff is to say buff me please. Just to be safe and to get your buff.

Also, what I find irritating is when a cleric says to use proper grammar, but they themself have not been using proper grammar. If you tell people to use proper grammer, you yourself should use it as well or do not even say it all and just buff them.

Hmm, your advice in some terms..I can agree with.

+Rep.

[sh4d0wkid]

ok i understand u wanting to be healed but i being a cleric can heal, type and fight at the same time. u saying that only clerics cant talk is a little harsh, what if a fighter talks and dies while the cleric is trying to heal/ rez someone? there are certain situations where u could be right but i dont think u should say it that way. The rest of it i have no problem with.

Lol I know thye maybe necroposted (I havent visited this ina while but I was gunna edit my sig and noticed me getting like 5 + rep outa nowhere XD from here) I mean just, most clerics when they talk they forget to heal and die then pt dies which is ANNOYING =P and u shud be abl to maintain a pt and type =/ or u just become a complete epic fail ;) if u can type, heal, fighter then :eek: Ur a Chuck Norris in the making ^^.... (coudlnt resist saying this)

If god can swim in water, Chuck Norris can swim on land. :eek:

btw sup booyah and yeah ur a good cleric :cool: but Im talking about clerics who r looking for a pt and I tell them just to heala nd they say okay then start to chatter, or not heal, or try to grab agro/fight other mobs its just plain annoying =_=

[Spuls56]

iv made so many clerics, never can figure out the right stats to use, but i get to lvl 30, anyways i agree with everything you said but not talking, i mean its just a game, why cant we loosen up after a day at work or school, and have some fun, people are making it a bit too serious

[spart5]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.



(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?


(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.


(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.
1.Well it's not really what a lot of cleric's do, they get better after robo since it has to do with many mobs. We are responsible for there healing but if they are not willing to cooperate with us and wander off to get the boss or somthing we cannot sacrifice our selves for the sake of there own stupidity
2.Well the point of a game is to have a fun and when it is online with other's you ca't help it but to socialize. We don't want to be so bored all the time so the only thing we could resort to is conversations, can we help it? no not realy. And they realy usualy don't die i mean unless your one heck of a slow typer then yea but if not less of a chance 3.Not exactly they should show cleric's a bit of respect and gve us a little slack we work so hard everyday to buff, heal and revive and take a look at the fighter's they barely have a flaw and get the up most respect for not being able to keep a mob? yet the clerics above from Robo kq could never be given a normal thanks. We make errors all the time it is not our fault everyone makes a mistake all the time even the other classes like forgetting to dot or mock. And sacrifice our selves? you mean your gonna sacrifice a cleric..a full healing cleric.. for the sake of a. archer who wants to dot or fighter who wants to tank or even a mage who wants to do somthing... no no i don't think so, who is saposed to keep the party alive then we are the back bone and we can revive people btw.

4. Just walk away if you want to do it i mean it is your skill, who are they to say that the buffs of a cleric belong to them.

[spart5]

1.Well it's not really what a lot of cleric's do, they get better after robo since it has to do with many mobs. We are responsible for there healing but if they are not willing to cooperate with us and wander off to get the boss or somthing we cannot sacrifice our selves for the sake of there own stupidity
2.Well the point of a game is to have a fun and when it is online with other's you ca't help it but to socialize. We don't want to be so bored all the time so the only thing we could resort to is conversations, can we help it? no not realy. And they realy usualy don't die i mean unless your one heck of a slow typer then yea but if not less of a chance 3.Not exactly they should show cleric's a bit of respect and gve us a little slack we work so hard everyday to buff, heal and revive and take a look at the fighter's they barely have a flaw and get the up most respect for not being able to keep a mob? yet the clerics above from Robo kq could never be given a normal thanks. We make errors all the time it is not our fault everyone makes a mistake all the time even the other classes like forgetting to dot or mock. And sacrifice our selves? you mean your gonna sacrifice a cleric..a full healing cleric.. for the sake of a. archer who wants to dot or fighter who wants to tank or even a mage who wants to do somthing... no no i don't think so, who is saposed to keep the party alive then we are the back bone and we can revive people btw.

4. Just walk away if you want to do it i mean it is your skill, who are they to say that the buffs of a cleric belong to them.

2 and 3 are scrunched together dunno why o.o tried to fix it but wont work so bare with me.

[stones.mule]

This is not smart at all. Clerics do not receive the respect we deserve, and yet one of our own is agreeing with them. Clerics are not slaves or heal-bots. If we were, we'd have less HP and more SP. We'd have no attack skills and only buffs and heals and can only rely on party, but this game didn't make Clerics/Paladin like that.

I agree, clerics should heal, especially when boss fighting and AOE party. However, it does not mean that the tanker, or pt members should depend on the cleric to the point where they are cheap on their stones/pots. I am a full STR cleric, that heals well enough to keep a full party of fighters alive at a KQ run. Don't get me wrong, I believe clerics SHOULD heal and SHOULD find a way to keep the party alive. However, to say clerics should ONLY heal, that's B.S. Not all fighters are strong, and not all of them pull aggro correctly. If you think clerics cannot pull aggro over other classes, you haven't seen good clerics yet. I think, even if a cleric is clanking, they should make sure their party is well and alive. If needed, I would heal them, and stone myself, but, at no time I would sacrifice myself for the party. You die and save them, and then what? They will die because they fail without your heal. Why not if, one ends up dead, as long as its not the tank, just let them die, and keep the rest alive. We have revive for a reason, its to revive others (hint: clerics shouldn't be dying).

Clerics can't talk? I don't think ANYONE should talk when grinding or boss hunting. If anyone talks, its a burden on the entire party. If one member can talk, all should be able to.

ie: if the tank talks, they lose aggro, and entire party gets killed, or all mobs go to the cleric because we are (lets say) still healing them. Then, the cleric is healing themselves and everyone else dies.

ie2: if DD (archer/mage) talks, they can't heal themselves. This means, clerics are forced to heal them to keep them alive, hence, cannot focus on healing the tank. Tank dies, and poof, all over again.

Sacrafice? I'm not losing my 1% so others can save theirs. If they are dying because they are too CHEAP to stone/pot, its there fault. Its a lesson for them to be learned. If they die because they pull too much and cannot handle it. Its there fault. Another lesson for them to learn. If i'm not healing when I can, then its my fault, SORRY, but you still need to learn how to stone/pot! All my heals are empowered, so my cool time is very short, if I still can't heal you fast enough, guess what, you PULLED TOO MUCH! POT! STONE!

Buff Plox? - If I'm in the mood I'll buff. If i'm busy, then I can't right? If a party is waiting for me and I'm on my mount, don't expect me to get off my mount just to buff you and get back on. I will buff if I can but don't expect all clerics to be nice and have time for that. I had a mage before, and I never got buff. What did I do? MAKE A CLERIC.

Respect - If they don't respect me, why should I respect them and heal them? Respect is something that is earned. Its for both sides. If you are talking crap about a cleric, then you don't deserve heal. If I go into a KQ and ask for a party, and not a single person parties me, because they prefer a DD so they can win the boss, don't expect me to heal you. I am "soloing"... Party comes first before any. I will keep my party alive before I revive anyone outside the party. If the main tank is not in my party, the main tank's cleric should be the one healing him/her. If I have no one losing HP in my party, I will heal the tank, but I will keep my party alive first, esp. if I have a warrior in my party too.

Note to other classes that look down on clerics - its not easy to play a cleric. If you want revive and a cleric is healing their tank, wait! If you can't wait, then use your heart if your in KQ. Don't start cursing out clerics saying they suck. Its not easy playing any classes, and most people don't know how to play their own classes, so don't disrespect clerics without being pro at your own class. Then afterwards, go play a cleric and be pro at that too, then talk all you want.

[Nephron]

umm agreed except for the typing part... and why does every1 care when u say plz instead of please?? thats so dumb and useless

Why "please" instead of "plz"? It's really quite simple: "please" is a recognized word; "plz" is a strange bundle of letters that happens to sound a bit like "please." (And don't get me started on "pl0x" or "plssss" or "pleeezzzz.") If you have the time to type "buff plz," then you certianly have time the time to type "buff please." I know I'm in the grammar-freak minority on this, but it goes beyond grammar. It's about respect and civility. To paraphrase another cleric from a post long ago, if I'm not worth a few extra letters, then you're not worth a buff. :cool:

To be fair, even some perverted form of "please" is better than shouting "BUFF ME," but still -- is it that hard to ask nicely using actual words? :(

[Penhaligon_5]

Why "please" instead of "plz"? It's really quite simple: "please" is a recognized word; "plz" is a strange bundle of letters that happens to sound a bit like "please." (And don't get me started on "pl0x" or "plssss" or "pleeezzzz.") If you have the time to type "buff plz," then you certianly have time the time to type "buff please." I know I'm in the grammar-freak minority on this, but it goes beyond grammar. It's about respect and civility. To paraphrase another cleric from a post long ago, if I'm not worth a few extra letters, then you're not worth a buff. :cool:

To be fair, even some perverted form of "please" is better than shouting "BUFF ME," but still -- is it that hard to ask nicely using actual words? :(

Oooo, I like that paraphrased quote. Who said it?

[Eternal_Doom]

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

Im going to focus on these 2 mainly

1st of all, Clerics can type whenever they want to. If the tank dies then he might have pulled too many mobs, since he would have died in the short time of 2 seconds saying "lol" or the cleric might go on with a big conversation and forget about the party but normaly the cleric will try their best to keep healing the party whilst talking, and from what your saying, fighters shouldnt talk, they should be spamming mock, snearing kick and devastate. Archers should be spamming those oh so delightful and painful DoTs and Multi Shot has a 3 seconds cooldown if fully empowered and an original 5 second cooldown (I think) and mages cant really take their hand off the keyboard or they will stop using spells

2nd of all why should I sacrifice myself for some big-headed jerk who calls me a bad player for not spam healing him when he was trying to kill a slime? Or some idiot that cant see that I'm trying to kill a monster and screams "BuFFE Pl0x0Rz"? I wont give anyone any respect unless I see them being respectful and asking nicely for buffs and ask politely for a revive

And FYI clerics are not heal-bots nor are they your buff slaves or heal slaves!

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[Nephron]

Oooo, I like that paraphrased quote. Who said it?

I unfortunately have no idea. I read it in a post a several months ago, but that's the kind of pointless stuff I remember. Like I said, I know I'm probably in the grammar-freak minority on this, but I refuse to let the erosion of the English language continue unopposed. ;)

[ra77man]

Okay - I TOTALLY agree with the Penhaligon! I'm a lvl 62 mage on Teva - I'm never gonna say 'buff plox' again (except to my cleric wifey :D). But having said that - It pisses me off whenever a cleric says 'just b/c I'm a cleric doesn't mean I have to heal'.

Generally - I come across scared or selfish clerics who look after their health first and THEN the party's! Only once have I come across a cleric (like redhawk306 - who actually died while healing me). That garners respect... SERIOUS respect! I mean - I was in AWE of that cleric and continued to help him out throughout each of his quests only b/c he died keeping me alive once.

Its quite visible that its the nice clerics who everyone loves... :)

[smileeloser101]

Okay - I TOTALLY agree with the Penhaligon! I'm a lvl 62 mage on Teva - I'm never gonna say 'buff plox' again (except to my cleric wifey :D). But having said that - It pisses me off whenever a cleric says 'just b/c I'm a cleric doesn't mean I have to heal'.

Generally - I come across scared or selfish clerics who look after their health first and THEN the party's! Only once have I come across a cleric (like redhawk306 - who actually died while healing me). That garners respect... SERIOUS respect! I mean - I was in AWE of that cleric and continued to help him out throughout each of his quests only b/c he died keeping me alive once.

Its quite visible that its the nice clerics who everyone loves... :)

Um, not to sound condescending, but the idea is that cleric is supposed to stay alive to KEEP healing the party. So if a cleric dies while healing the party, it's embarassing. Clerics need to pay attention to their own health too. His intentions were admirable, no doubt, but clerics can also stone and pot just like any other class. And I am in no way saying I've never died trying to heal my party. I have died some humiliating deaths in this game =]

[Kierya]

I doubt there is a cleric who hasn't died at least once because they were concentrating more on everyone else's health than their own. It is kinda of embarrasing. I've had my fair share of humiliating deaths too.

[threewishes112]

Ok, so, many of you newer clerics will likely hate me after this, but I honestly don't care. Here goes :)

(1st)First off, your role, whether you like it or not, is TO HEAL, not tank. I truly hate the clerics who say "Just because I'm a cleric, doesn't mean I have to heal you. Umm, YEA you do. That's our role. If you don't want to be responsible for healing, pick another class. Stop screwing up the clerics' reputations. I'm not saying I am a pro-cleric, but I could out-cleric 99% of the modern clerics. . .well, if I had my equips still I would be able to.

(2nd) Second off, please don't type. Other classes can do it, clerics can't. Ever wonder why your party dies while you're having a conversation? Yea, your fault =]. So, I think it's easy enough for you to just stick to healing and not having a conversation. Seriously, do you need to always have a conversation?

(3rd) Third off, show the other classes respect. There are times where you need to sacrifice yourself for them. If you make an error, why should they pay for it? So, if you're doing the opposite of what I advised in my second thought, then that is a time where you made an error, and you need to make it up in some way.

(4th) Fourth- I know, 'Buff pl0x' is one of the most annoying things in the game, but instead of yelling at these said speakers that you won't buff them, simply say "Use a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation please; then I'll buff you." Trust me, most of them will listen. If they don't, don't argue with them or block them, just walk again.

Well, that's my rant. If I discover more, I'll tell you. Have a pleasant day, and PLEASE listen to my advice.


You must have been quite the loyal cleric yourself, but sometimes don't you think that clerics work too hard and need a mind to act on our own sometimes? For instance, is it necessary to scrifice ourselves to other party members when we make an error? A simple: "sorry" sounds fine to me. I agree that there comes a time when clerics must heal and buff, but everyone eventually comes across a bad day and being a bad cleric once in a while won't stuff up the community, it just means that sometimes we've had it with other players telling us what to do. That's a fact we can't ignored, after all, you don't see clerics complaining that fighter's don't do enough damage. Last but not least, in my own opinion, grinding is an opportunity to merge and get to know your party members better. Everyone should be encouraged to ask questions and talk. :)

-threewishes112

[blackguy729]

clerics do that now? wow i have ben gone long! dont worry im comming back and im like the old clirics that heal not attack bosses.

[dragonfly_11]

It just hurts a bit that everytime I stop into the cleric forum we are being bashed by everyone...

Everyone seems to feel the need to pick apart this class and they all feel their way is right.

Mages, archers, fighters (the most) and clerics...y'all need to STOP.

I've been in KQ's and was told to "STOP HEALING AND FIGHT!!!"

I've been partied in the abyss and been told, "Stop healing so much...it's drawing more aggro than I can handle, I can heal myself."

I've been in a KQ and 2 mins in a fighter was cursing out ALL the clerics (he hadn't had an ounce of life drop because he hadn't fought anything yet)

I've been in parties where all members ran in different directions and no matter how many times you tried to explain to them that your heal has a range to it...they did it anyway...DEATH!!!

I've been in AOE parties where the fighter gets on his hobby and grabs as many mobs as he can but refuses to mock and I end up DEAD!!!

So basically...all I'm saying is THERE ARE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES TO EVERYTHING.

Try not to over judge...it's just a game.

I am new to the game, and this post is the closest to my experience as a cleric.

I was booted from a party because I did not fight. The next party, I fought and I was told to stop fighting and I mentioned what happened to me earlier and was reassured I was to heal only.

I notice that when I heal too much I see what I now know as aggro. This will help me with my next parties.

I tell the newer players I will party with them, as only one member. Then they invite so many players I can not keep up with them running everywhere. I type and keep telling them to stay together. After a while I lost them, one by one. I don't know if they know there is a limit to my healing range. Who knows, that is just my guess.

[thedreamer7]

rofl ~ z.z since when did people say stop healing and fight....
i usually get mad when my cleric in party fights while i try to aoe =\
weird weird world of fiesta...

[fireyair]

don't you think that clerics work too hard and need a mind to act on our own sometimes?

Pffff, What's next? We give clerics the right to solo?

Peace:cool:

[darknightofwind]

I am new to the game, and this post is the closest to my experience as a cleric.

I was booted from a party because I did not fight. The next party, I fought and I was told to stop fighting and I mentioned what happened to me earlier and was reassured I was to heal only.

I notice that when I heal too much I see what I now know as aggro. This will help me with my next parties.

I tell the newer players I will party with them, as only one member. Then they invite so many players I can not keep up with them running everywhere. I type and keep telling them to stay together. After a while I lost them, one by one. I don't know if they know there is a limit to my healing range. Who knows, that is just my guess.
First off, holy necro batman.

Second, yeah at lower levels people don't understand the dynamics of how party buffs, heals, or other classes work. You don't have to, but it helps quite a bit (imo). Find some friends or people in an acad / guild and do quests and KQs together. It'll probably be a lot more fun and you'll get parties you can rely on :)


rofl ~ z.z since when did people say stop healing and fight....
i usually get mad when my cleric in party fights while i try to aoe =\
weird weird world of fiesta...

She/He probably hasn't gotten to any sort of real 'aoe' party yet, so the attacking / staying back and healing is still cleric's choice >.>

& lol @ firey

[leviannon]

Pffff, What's next? We give clerics the right to solo?

Peace:cool:

I defintely dont need allowance from anybody to heal, buff or clank. Im a good cleric and i can keep my party alive. but nobody owns me and my skills -.-

[horixchan]

Pffff, What's next? We give clerics the right to solo?

Peace:cool:

Oh just you wait, my signature pretty much says that Clerics can solo, with a couple low-CD AoEs too. The Future 'Cleric' is gonna be epic, as soon as OS can get OOS into gear and bring that content to us.

inb4 people QQ "Cleric is OP with AoEs"

[rudeolph]

WoW! Excellent job on getting everyone to put there two cents in Penhaligon. For the most part I agree with your rantings. It's been said by others, but I too can type and heal at the same time, difficult as it may be. I think that one's typing skills come into consideration (or at least should) in said scenario.

As far as attacking and healing a party, well it kinda depends on (IMO) - how many people are partied with you - what level mobs are being fought - if "you" attacking is actually gonna help or not - If you know how to use your function keys for speed switching from member to member of the party (and knowing which position relates to each f1-f-whatever key)... I have found that when farming Caymen giant with mi papo Strawhat, I can invigorate and attack the little guys and use my party heals to the best of there use... Recover at this point still only heals up to 1500, that's another story. BUT like you said, If my gladiator bro needs heals other than invigorate and the party heals then I'll switch to him and heal ~OF COURSE~. Now, when we go farm kallaps in HT, I don't waste my time with attacking. One, crit and white knight suit on with angel wings and helmet, I only do at best 180 damage to a kallap... Two, even the godly def of my bro needs a LOT of backup in this situation. So, it would be a waste to try to attack maybe once, then switch over to heal, then auto select enemy and attack, and so-on.....

When it comes to respect, I give all classes respect in this game. We all have our "trying" areas IG and all classes have there own special role to fulfill in a party, or not I suppose. Whether they know how to or not is a different story.
Lastly, "BUFF PLOX" LMFAO... :D I personally like to go to Elderine (sometimes anyways as it is tiresome) and shout out "T5 Buffers at shutian, come and get em!!!", and buff the little ones in game who without our buffs, might not complete there quest or w/e. I also have an archer (lvl39 atm only) and I find myself asking for buffs near shutian because it makes a huge difference, it really does...

Well I will stop there now that I've started rambling, but again, Nice Topic!

cleRUDEss [No_Drama] FTW!!!!
Level 102 Guardian
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level 39 archer (obviously)
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[Ex.plode]

Why do clerics need AoE's? OS advertises them as a support class from the first time you step into the game, or read a Fiesta advertisement over the web

Most clerics are full end, w/ AoE's wouldn't they only solo like.... 2% faster :x?

I'm not trying to say clerics do not need offensive buffs, They should be able to solo a little better.



Alssoo *I know the post is getting long but*

NA Fiesta Clerics have 0 Damage AoEs, but our Chinese friends let Clerics have FOUR! -from Horixchan's siggy-

That's the Asian version of this game, multiple OS staff members have said that just because something is in another Fiesta, does not mean it will be in this one

[emostudmuffin]

I agree with you...Mostly.
I CAN type and heal. You just have to know when to STOP TYPING and heal.
And ONLY healing as a cleric, you dont get any respect. Sometimes, you have to tank. Clerics that can heal AND do damage, are much more sought after than heal-bots. If you just sit around in the background, occasionally healing, it makes you lazy. Not a good cleric.

[WingSword]

there are so many of this kind of threads already so....
its useless to tell clerics so many times about whats their job in game, the only thing you can do is to party different clerics and check if they heal or not- if they do befriend them to invite them later again, if they dont heal well talk to them in game about their job if they dont change just dont invite them again and look for another one ;)
some clerics will never change and a lot of them dont even read the forum so its kinda pointless to tell them here what to do ^^
get good cleric friends in game and youll be fine :P

[istorage]

HI LICHT

play on Bijou
join rye

love,
that one cleric you ignored while in nm with D:<

[orangemale]

ugh this is just easy, if you dont want to heal, then try to SOLO your way to 110 and dont leech the exp from the other players, also dont be rude with other people saying "I tank, i heal myself, live with that" when you're not even tanking (this is sad and funny at the same time xD), now for the other classes just ban the non-healing cleric, this might be rude but at the end, why would you care about it, if the cleric doesnt even care about healing.
At the end non-healing clerics will learn to keep their party alive, because its impossible to reach lvl 110 soloing as a cleric.

[resigood]

lol harsh to say they cant talk..
and why should others pay for OUR mistakes?

its often the tankers fault for pulling too many than they can handle
or everyone in pt is taking damage at the same time while you're expecting 1 cleric to keep them all alive
and they dont use stones because they think you're a god who can keep them alive despite everyday issues such as lag

clerics are a support class
they support you not just there to save you money on stones

like a teacher supports you in school, they help
dont do homework for you

jeez
all just human too, and its a game where you socialize too
whats the point in playing to bash the same button all the time without talking
theres no fun in it