Why abyss shouldn't be pvp anymore

[EchoSound]

Before you tell me to "suck it up" or any of that I want to tell you a story. I just finally stepped in 6x abyss again for the first time since about 2 months ago when the last time I was in there I was a cleric. This time I'm an archer, and get to kite a lot of mobs. Now, when you see archer's kiting it looks like a train of mob right? Correct. If people don't realize you're dragging them on purpose you get things like the first part of my story.

My cleric and I were accused of training some fighter, and that he died because we did this. None of my mobs went off on him, because they were all poisoned and under either my clerics aggro or mine. (69 Paladin takes a lot of aggro x.x I had to chase HER mobs at more than one point. lol) He also had a nice little mob of his own - I'd say around 7-10 abyss orcs at once. Yet claims my 8 went onto him and he died. The only way this would have happened is if he mocked or devastated my mob. Which he didn't, because mine were still following me into the next room. So, after this and we die because my cleric can't keep up with me since I have a speed scroll on, this fighter and his new-found party proceeds to follow us and try to kill us. Finally after about five minutes of chasing us, he gives up because his party is chiding him.

Enter new room, idiot free. I call out to see if anyone's there, and low and behold we - a 60 archer and 69 paladin - kite the whole second largest room since no one is there. This time not even five minutes pass while we're dragging this massive mob behind us and getting all this yummy exp, does this party arrive. Brand new, no claims of "this is our room" as they watch us do the most awesome thing ever. As soon as I see them I give them the customary "this room is taken please move" which they reply with "we'll see". Now, it's only about three or four passes we make before they start to attack us. Their archer poisons me and we start yelling at them to stop because we're busy trying to kill mobs. I'm nice and when I see someone near me, I never use nature's mist. Like ever, unless I don't see them. So, we keep making passes through the room because we're circling it, and just ignore the party trying to kill us. Finally another couple passes and they're already starting to talk about the fighter devastating us, and their mage decides to use ice blast on me to slow me down so the mobs can kill me. It didn't succeed because a) I'm awesome and b) my cleric is awesome. About another five minutes of this pass and finally the fighter starts laughing because his dev can't hit either of us. But their mage takes action by using nova on our mobs to steal them. That makes us angry and we start shouting at them to grow up. Needless to say this party finally killed us and started laughing at us.

Oh, and let me make note that this all happened in the same half hour. ^^ 6x abyss has gotten so nooby. :/ in 5x Abyss people left me alone, and I left them alone. In fact I got more parties out of admiration than anything, because I could kite a whole section solo. What is it that changes in 6x? Do people finally think "I've hit the big time so I can act like a jerk now"?

Uhg. Only in 6x Abyss does this happen -.-'

[Poisoned77]

Well...

A) There is no spot claiming. They have a right to the room just as much as you. Just because you ask them nicely does not mean they have the obligation to find someplace else to grind.

B) The reward of large amounts of drops and high exp from easy to kill mobs comes at the cost of it being a PVP zone.

Having the abyss a PVP zone balances out its attributes. If there was no PVP there, parties would just kill steal each other's mobs into oblivion causing massive arguments and I am sure more than a few ToS violations. Parties would also be able to just sit in a room forever and reap the rewards of the abyss zone without the consequence of getting killed by another player.

It is all a balance. If you want to AOE large umbers of mobs and get rich very quick from mat drops, then you have to understand the risk that you may be attacked and killed at any time. There is no glory without sacrifice.

[EchoSound]

It shouldn't mean that it gives people rights to be jerks, though. Especially since they already did KS our mobs to kill us off. It was the only way they could do it because we didn't stay in one place long enough for them to attack us until we stopped to yell at them.

I wasn't expecting more than common courtesy, but in fairness... it's not balance at all. It's giving rights to people to make them feel they have to take something in order to even get it.

[Atmor]

Well I must agree with poisoned, for all great things there is always a down side. I do however agree that the otehr party could have handled it better than they did. Back in teh day when I was going through there with my archer (Daos of Epith) I had much the same problem with people, but since I soloed and didn't kite they thought that they would just steal my mobs. If I had had the power at the time I would have killed them until they decided to move but sadly I didn't...in any case PvP in the abyss isn't going away, so sorry but you gotta live with it or not go there...

[EchoSound]

Fine, then. Maybe the map just needs to be bigger so it allows everyone to have space. *grumble* It just ticks me off that this behavior is allowed in one zone, and not in another.

[KireiYosei]

I like them, its where grinding and pvp collide. It makes it a challenge. Like.. survival of the fittest.

[reminisce914]

Yeah, I've experienced this before. There is a lack of common courtesy everywhere. Sometimes it makes me sick. However, we can not really do anything to address these players or problems since most of the players do this either for fun, or for exp and drops, and since abyss was created for fighting over rooms or mobs.

The only solution is: Kill them. Teach them not to mess with you.

GL, Echo.

[Rzpect]

it makes things alil bit exciting. you never know who will war you in abyss :)

[Cha0sTribe]

I will kill them IF I think their presence will jeopardize my findings for drops. I don't come to Abyss to share, and thats what is the Abyss for.

[Empathys]

I only have two gripes with the PvP Abyss zones. One is that it favours players with +9s. If you don't have at least a +9 weapon it's hard to defend yourself against other players. Mages are especially prone to Axes in that regard. (lol1hit)

The other is that people tend to be extremely rude and disrespectful. Such as: "Oh, it's PvP. I can tell them to leave or else. And then when they complain I assail them with taunts and other rude remarks to make them feel inferior." People tend to stay just inside the "legal" limits of what they can say so they can be bullies but not get in trouble for it. Aggravating.

[Celtic_Princess]

I have to disagree with Poisoned for once, while it is a pvp zone, and there is no spot claiming...there is also no KSing. And in some cases it can cross a line into harassment, say should a party be continuously bothering you. Or should certain things be said at the time.

I've never really had a problem in the 6x abyss, just one fighter that tried to talk trash while he thought I was afk...that didn't really work out for him. Some people just suck...ignore them and grind somewhere else for a while.

[sirviney]

Before you tell me to "suck it up" or any of that I want to tell you a story. I just finally stepped in 6x abyss again for the first time since about 2 months ago when the last time I was in there I was a cleric. This time I'm an archer, and get to kite a lot of mobs. Now, when you see archer's kiting it looks like a train of mob right? Correct. If people don't realize you're dragging them on purpose you get things like the first part of my story.

My cleric and I were accused of training some fighter, and that he died because we did this. None of my mobs went off on him, because they were all poisoned and under either my clerics aggro or mine. (69 Paladin takes a lot of aggro x.x I had to chase HER mobs at more than one point. lol) He also had a nice little mob of his own - I'd say around 7-10 abyss orcs at once. Yet claims my 8 went onto him and he died. The only way this would have happened is if he mocked or devastated my mob. Which he didn't, because mine were still following me into the next room. So, after this and we die because my cleric can't keep up with me since I have a speed scroll on, this fighter and his new-found party proceeds to follow us and try to kill us. Finally after about five minutes of chasing us, he gives up because his party is chiding him.

Enter new room, idiot free. I call out to see if anyone's there, and low and behold we - a 60 archer and 69 paladin - kite the whole second largest room since no one is there. This time not even five minutes pass while we're dragging this massive mob behind us and getting all this yummy exp, does this party arrive. Brand new, no claims of "this is our room" as they watch us do the most awesome thing ever. As soon as I see them I give them the customary "this room is taken please move" which they reply with "we'll see". Now, it's only about three or four passes we make before they start to attack us. Their archer poisons me and we start yelling at them to stop because we're busy trying to kill mobs. I'm nice and when I see someone near me, I never use nature's mist. Like ever, unless I don't see them. So, we keep making passes through the room because we're circling it, and just ignore the party trying to kill us. Finally another couple passes and they're already starting to talk about the fighter devastating us, and their mage decides to use ice blast on me to slow me down so the mobs can kill me. It didn't succeed because a) I'm awesome and b) my cleric is awesome. About another five minutes of this pass and finally the fighter starts laughing because his dev can't hit either of us. But their mage takes action by using nova on our mobs to steal them. That makes us angry and we start shouting at them to grow up. Needless to say this party finally killed us and started laughing at us.

Oh, and let me make note that this all happened in the same half hour. ^^ 6x abyss has gotten so nooby. :/ in 5x Abyss people left me alone, and I left them alone. In fact I got more parties out of admiration than anything, because I could kite a whole section solo. What is it that changes in 6x? Do people finally think "I've hit the big time so I can act like a jerk now"?

Uhg. Only in 6x Abyss does this happen -.-'

TL;DR

If you have a perfect place to AOE it should most definitely have a downfall somewhere, in this case, PvP. I vote to keep it how it is.

[EchoSound]

I know I'm fighting a losing battle here, but I just think there's too much injustice in the 6x abyss zone. If there were two levels of the map (like lumi1 and lumi2), or the map setup was different there wouldn't be so many people having to fight over things. There are three larger rooms and EVERYONE wants them, because the spawn is so much better in that area or it's bigger for more exp per party. It causes absolutely too many problems, and feeds the need for revenge. Whether it's against tos or not, people will seek it somehow when they've felt victimized. Whether it be a cleric who was targeted and killed in the party and holding a grudge, so doesn't heal a member of the apposing side when it comes time for a kq or another party. Or maybe someone finding more party members just to kill that other party. It will be sought in one fashion or another. Heck, it even leads to guild warring outside of the abyss zone. Grudges held against other guilds for something one member did to them. (Mind you, not by me. x.x I don't generally like going against tos, but not everyone is the same. lol)

The point is: The moral injustifications leads to other in-game difficulties. Since only a handful of people that have either replied on here or I know feel the same way, something else needs to be done. It can't keep going like this. There are too many problems being caused. And you can't tell me that the problem isn't mounting, because 6x abyss was NOT this bad when I was training my mage in it months ago. There were problems, sure. But to this extent? Absolutely not.

[Empathys]

I agree totally with your last part. It used to be parties running around looking for a spot, if it was occupied to moved on to somewhere else. There was very little conflict. It's the rush of new players fault. They don't know how to behave in-game and to be nice people. There are problems like this even in the 20 and 30 Abyss. Grooming the players for lives of combat.

[sirviney]

I agree totally with your last part. It used to be parties running around looking for a spot, if it was occupied to moved on to somewhere else. There was very little conflict. It's the rush of new players fault. They don't know how to behave in-game and to be nice people. There are problems like this even in the 20 and 30 Abyss. Grooming the players for lives of combat.

Yeah, before it would take time for you to level and thus give you a better feel for the game, however now due to the leveling system being adjusted to allow leveling to become much more rapid players are hardly gaining literal experience and still inclined to be "Noobish", to be frank.

[EchoSound]

Yeah, before it would take time for you to level and thus give you a better feel for the game, however now due to the leveling system being adjusted to allow leveling to become much more rapid players are hardly gaining literal experience and still inclined to be "Noobish", to be frank.

I actually addressed that problem to serric (sp on the name x.x) once and he'd said at that time that it was a good point. Maybe if we all brainstorm on how to fix it, outspark will do something? Unless it's too late and they don't care what happens as long as they get their money. :/ But... they don't exactly see that to keep getting their money, they need to keep their players happy. It's not just the bugs that need fixing. It's the game mentality, which is, quite frankly, as seen in this post slipping.

[LonetheWolf]

You really are the one that needs to grow up. I got news for you, it can happen in any abyss to ANYONE you're not some special martyr for the cause, and your cause is rather pathetic I might add. Its an abyss, a pvp not pve, if you can't deal with it then go grind in the dungeon instead! If you're foolish enough to trust people to leave you be in the abyss then you will be attacked and killed. You should have dealt with the problem as soon as it arose; kill the 'intruders' and get back grinding don't be stupid enough to grind while a possible threat is there. So in conclusion GROW UP =.=

[lordofthesick]

My only problem with the abyss is the same problem i have with pvp in general in this game. Your charater is alot stronger then me? thats fine, Kill me in pvp/abyss? Thats fine to. But why does everyone feel the need to talk trash and try thier hardest to make the other player feel like crap? what happened to having a good clean fight?

Sometimes i swear it feels like fiesta is populated by a bunch of teenagers who just stole daddy's credit card , buying a cookie pack just so they can run around screaming "LOL I PWNED U NOOB!!! U PHAIL AT LIFE!!!!"

[lostangelrequiem]

You really are the one that needs to grow up. I got news for you, it can happen in any abyss to ANYONE you're not some special martyr for the cause, and your cause is rather pathetic I might add. Its an abyss, a pvp not pve, if you can't deal with it then go grind in the dungeon instead! If you're foolish enough to trust people to leave you be in the abyss then you will be attacked and killed. You should have dealt with the problem as soon as it arose; kill the 'intruders' and get back grinding don't be stupid enough to grind while a possible threat is there. So in conclusion GROW UP =.=

I'm sorry, but seriously, WHAT?
So he needs to "grow up" because OTHER players are being immature? How does that make any sense? D=
Some of us like abyss because of the PvE element, and the fact that it's PvP is secondary. In fact, unless someone attacks me first I just consider it another grinding zone. I don't automatically kill someone who comes into my room because, uh, that's just plain rude and the fact that it's a PvP zone does NOT give you the right to be a jerk.

[apallday]

Quit crying and start killing, thats what BG is there for if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. I kill anyone that comes into the room im in. Yes there is no spot claiming but if you can kill me then you get the right to kill in the room untill i rescroll and come back to kill you. Thats the way it is thats the way it will be.

[LonetheWolf]

I'm sorry, but seriously, WHAT?
So he needs to "grow up" because OTHER players are being immature? How does that make any sense? D=
Some of us like abyss because of the PvE element, and the fact that it's PvP is secondary. In fact, unless someone attacks me first I just consider it another grinding zone. I don't automatically kill someone who comes into my room because, uh, that's just plain rude and the fact that it's a PvP zone does NOT give you the right to be a jerk.

Hahah you seem to have misread my post completely. Hmm lets see to clarify your 'jerk' comment, I was not saying 'SOMEONE ENTERED MY ROOM KILL THEM!' I'm saying be sure the threat is neutralized before putting yourself at risk with large mobs. By this I mean make sure the people are hostile, trying to claim while you're there, attack you, etc. I am saying the opening poster needs to grow up because they are being rather babiesh and going in the simplest of terms 'waah someone killed me in pvp i dun want it to be a pvp any more!' As for the pvp vs pve, it'll always be a pvp and people need to understand the implications, it means people may stand by gates and kill as people enter or over take rooms you go to and kill you while going for the mobs or just plain kill you. Everyone's so hot and heavy on getting the easy exp and drops they hate to deal with the consequences; the possibility for being attacked by another player for no reason or 'unfair' ones and even killed, possibly multiple times too. Hope that clarifies my stance on the subject for you.

[lostangelrequiem]

Hahah you seem to have misread my post completely. Hmm lets see to clarify your 'jerk' comment, I was not saying 'SOMEONE ENTERED MY ROOM KILL THEM!' I'm saying be sure the threat is neutralized before putting yourself at risk with large mobs. By this I mean make sure the people are hostile, trying to claim while you're there, attack you, etc. I am saying the opening poster needs to grow up because they are being rather babiesh and going in the simplest of terms 'waah someone killed me in pvp i dun want it to be a pvp any more!' As for the pvp vs pve, it'll always be a pvp and people need to understand the implications, it means people may stand by gates and kill as people enter or over take rooms you go to and kill you while going for the mobs or just plain kill you. Everyone's so hot and heavy on getting the easy exp and drops they hate to deal with the consequences; the possibility for being attacked by another player for no reason or 'unfair' ones and even killed, possibly multiple times too. Hope that clarifies my stance on the subject for you.

Ah, I misunderstood your post, my apologies ^^;; Thankyou for clarifying.
However I still find myself siding with the OP, as essentially abyss is encouraging behaviour that can be classed as harassment because of the supposed "anything goes" rule. The only reason 9/10 people use the PvP aspect of abyss is either to fulfil a personal vendetta ("I don't like you so I'll kill you, haha") or to satisfy their own ego ("Oh, look how much better than you I am, haha"). Both behaviours are reprehensible, but because of this "anything goes", it's apparently permissible to act like this towards your fellow players -_-

Oh, and Mr. Fighter dude? (I forgot your name and can't be bothered to go back and look at your sig, sorry xD) You totally just proved my point. Abyss causes bad attitudes in people who are otherwise perfectly nice ^^;; I mean seriously >< Is it THAT hard to have a tiiiiny bit of common courtesy?
Oh wait, I forgot, it's PVP OMG -_-

[Tackey]

*wonders how many parties i killed in the two days i spent grinding in 6x abyss*

hmm.....

i love abyss. so much prey.

[Andy-XY]

If you cant stand it, stay out and find another way to gain exp or report if you were harassed. Problem solved without ruining the best maps in the game.......

[Celtic_Princess]

*wonders how many parties i killed in the two days i spent grinding in 6x abyss*

hmm.....

i love abyss. so much prey.

Seva honey, you're slightly demonic, you don't count as the norm....


....I love you anyways tho.

[ForgottenMiss27]

pvp? in abyss? NO WAI.

[Krusnik02]

On the opposite end, I find it annoying when on my mage, a cleric and I will walk into a room only to find it taken. Instantly, we're told it's taken while having a good 20 mobs on us from getting there. No, we're not gonna kill these mobs we brought, we're gonna pop our clogs just because we walked into a room and intend to leave anyways. This phrase of room taken is repeated numerous times till we tell them to shut up.

However, people being pissants in abyss usually get a bad rep. Just grab some guildies and beat the crap out of them. In the last few days, I've heard, "we're fighting some n00bs in the 60 abyss, come help" more than I needed to. I just leveled to level 70 on my mage and I actually prefer the emptier abyss because I can solo my little squishie heart out.

[FatalLace]

i read the original post, but didn't real all of the replies, i apologize.

if the abyss wasn't PvP, why not just make every single map in the game have the same spawn rate, drop rate, etc? PvP makes abyss what it is, a challenge.

when u step through that portal, u take the chance that u may have a) a great day with plenty o' experience and plenty o' drops, or b) a bad day where you're smashed face first into the emo corner by another player or party.

while personally yeah, i'd like to avoid B, sometimes it can't be helped. u just have to know what you're getting in to before u step through that portal. if you come to expect it, the sting doesn't hurt so bad :)

[EchoSound]

Ah, I misunderstood your post, my apologies ^^;; Thankyou for clarifying.
However I still find myself siding with the OP, as essentially abyss is encouraging behaviour that can be classed as harassment because of the supposed "anything goes" rule. The only reason 9/10 people use the PvP aspect of abyss is either to fulfil a personal vendetta ("I don't like you so I'll kill you, haha") or to satisfy their own ego ("Oh, look how much better than you I am, haha"). Both behaviours are reprehensible, but because of this "anything goes", it's apparently permissible to act like this towards your fellow players -_-

Oh, and Mr. Fighter dude? (I forgot your name and can't be bothered to go back and look at your sig, sorry xD) You totally just proved my point. Abyss causes bad attitudes in people who are otherwise perfectly nice ^^;; I mean seriously >< Is it THAT hard to have a tiiiiny bit of common courtesy?
Oh wait, I forgot, it's PVP OMG -_-

Thank you! That's my point exactly.

I'm using my case to illustrate that point, not be a martyr for the cause. Heck, I even stated that I knew I was fighting a loosing battle and admitted defeat. Now, I'm just discussing ways to try and fix the aspect that seems to be quite broken.

Abyss = pvp zone. Yeah, but people's attitudes need to be changed. The amount of behavior that's allowed needs to be fixed. 6x abyss is my point because it has always had the majority of jerks in it. Every other one, except for 2x has been perfectly fine. Even with those people who randomly go up to parties and kill them. Every x0-x9 has one of those.

People who run around going "HAHAHA I CAN KILL YOU!" just seems childish, y'know?

[Rzpect]

You can't change someone's greediness over a monitor..
and also stupidity

[Krusnik02]

No, but you can beat them at their own game.

[Midnight_Emeralds]

I think it is a problem. But It mainly has to do with the new incoming players.
I mean when abyss first came out EVERYONE was in there. And some how we all managed to share the rooms. Lols. I remember having 3-4 parties sharing 1 room. The new incoming players are used to having empty abyss due to the fact there aren't that many people in there anymore. They don't know how to share it. So instead they just kill people for the rooms that are occupied. ._.

[shinataku02]

My only problem with the abyss is the same problem i have with pvp in general in this game. Your charater is alot stronger then me? thats fine, Kill me in pvp/abyss? Thats fine to. But why does everyone feel the need to talk trash and try thier hardest to make the other player feel like crap? what happened to having a good clean fight?

Sometimes i swear it feels like fiesta is populated by a bunch of teenagers who just stole daddy's credit card , buying a cookie pack just so they can run around screaming "LOL I PWNED U NOOB!!! U PHAIL AT LIFE!!!!"


This, this, this. This is my only problem with PVP in Fiesta. I like that the Abyss is a PVP zone. If it wasn't, then there would be no point in there being any other map in the game. I like the risk, and I don't even like PVP- I never enter Free Battlezones, and I don't start any fights in the Abyss.

But you never know what's going to happen.

If you're stronger than me, by all means, kill me. I deserve it if I can't take you on. But don't sit there going ROFLMAO I PWN UR NUB FACE GO EET PEWPIEZ UR MAWM IS FAT HOAR I PWN U CUZ I HAZ ALL +9 N UR A STUPID NUB GO DIE IRL. Really, not going to earn you my respect. If you kill me in a fair fight, though, you will.


Oh, and for the record, it's pretty cowardly to go up to someone who's tanking a bunch of mobs solo and then kill them because they're already taking massive damage. Not saying there's anything against the rules about it or whatever, but if you have any sense of honour, it's a pretty crappy thing to do.

[Poisoned77]

I have to disagree with Poisoned for once, while it is a pvp zone, and there is no spot claiming...there is also no KSing. And in some cases it can cross a line into harassment, say should a party be continuously bothering you. Or should certain things be said at the time.

I've never really had a problem in the 6x abyss, just one fighter that tried to talk trash while he thought I was afk...that didn't really work out for him. Some people just suck...ignore them and grind somewhere else for a while.

I did not say that what the other party did was by any means nice, or even within the rules of the game. My point was mainly to explain why I think that the Abyss zones are and should stay PVP areas.

[Saruin]

Here's what you do.
Kill them.

[hemmes]

suck it up...

The abyss should be pvp, cause it makes it more fun and different. There is no necessity for you to enter the Abyss and you cant claim a room. Its nasty that this happends but if the Abyss wouldnt be pvp...then whats the point? It would just be a dulpicate map with different drops and xp...

And i have to agree with the above post...if your so godly, why dont just killem, im sure with your amazing skills that will be incredibly easy...

[Ryokosha]

Lol, people still have not realized that the exp / drop is only good there to balance out the PVP difficulty. IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER EXP THAN ANY OTHER REGION. If you don't like PVP just level in normal regions because that's what you are supposed to do.

Saying that Abyss shouldn't have PVP is like asking for more Exp from Monsters indirectly.

[EchoSound]

suck it up...

The abyss should be pvp, cause it makes it more fun and different. There is no necessity for you to enter the Abyss and you cant claim a room. Its nasty that this happends but if the Abyss wouldnt be pvp...then whats the point? It would just be a dulpicate map with different drops and xp...

And i have to agree with the above post...if your so godly, why dont just killem, im sure with your amazing skills that will be incredibly easy...

There's a difference between evasive maneuver and pvping. AKA I suck at it so completely, that the only thing I'm good for is living passed the point of what should be my death. I can't kill much of anything, no matter which character I'm on. XD

And please, if you're going to try and degrade me using my own words read the rest of the posts in the topic. May be a few pages worth, but a little reading does the eyes some good. It's a pretty important topic, after all. And I say that because of the debate aspect.
_____________________

For the pvp thingy, maybe there really should be that option to participate or not? Like the people's ideas for war. You have to accept it like a party invite, only we can put limitations on it. If it's less than three people you can't attack. And I know that people can escape this by only duoing, but not too many people duo as much as they party. Or maybe make a "neutral" zone for soloists and duo's?

Ryokosha - Oh? Jee, I thought that was mostly the idea. Because I mean the minute you step into any of the abysses and kill something they give at least 10% more (may be off by that, since I'm no good at math and that's a guestimate) exp than a quest mob your level. The exp there is fast, that's why it's a better place to level. You get more kills, thus leveling a whole heck of a lot faster than on a normal mob.

The whole reason I personally think that the abyss system shouldn't be pvp anymore is because of a lack of courtesy. People don't give a damn about anything but themselves, and no one is saying anything else about it. There would absolutely not be a problem if people respected each other just a little bit more. And you see this in not only the abysses, but EVERYWHERE. The point was more on abyss because this is where I was personally wronged, and chose to use as an example since I knew it first hand, and because you see it more there than everywhere else. Also, because that's where there are "no rules". Now, people... stop taking a stab at the initial post and read the rest, please. We've sorta moved on with the topic, and people bring up some really darn good points. Which, I thank you guys as the starter of this topic for doing.

[hemmes]

After reading the whole thread -_- I stand by my point...what do you want? If pvp causes bad behaviour then should we remove all pvp functions?
You: "No, im not saying that, just the abyss"
Me: Then we are exactly where we started...the abyss has a price for getting a lot of xp and drops.
So without being rude (i think), how has the discussion changed?
What is your sollution to this problem?

Rude behaviour is everywhere. I heard people shouting rather rude things in moonlight tomb the other night too. Its not just Pvp.

[EchoSound]

I would have thought that point was cleared up. No, it's not just in pvp. People are just plain rude everywhere, and that's the direction the thread changed. Clearing up the problem would be to have an active policing.

Having already admitted defeat about the abyss system and it's pvpness, the way to clear it up would be to really have someone come in and check on players. We already have GL's, GM's and all that jazz. They help with events and outspark stuff (ie: bugs and content) but we need someone or a group of people who can do public relations. The game has no government. Not saying taxes and that stuff, but we have a general list of tos violations and stuff but no one to explicately enforce them unless they're reported. But even then, they're left unchecked, which only aids in people getting worse and worse in thinking they can do anything they want. We have no one who see's with their own eyes just how bad the general community has gotten. We have unseen kings, but no parents. That's what we need.

[hemmes]

Ah now we are getting somewhere :)

So you suggest a sort of neighbourhood watch?
Cause i would like to see that. Just people who have the power to serisously warn players and can jail them. Banning rights may be a bit to much. So they can put someone in jail for the gm to take a look at the situation later.

At the risk of it turning into a police-state i would say yes to this.

The alternative is off course to have more gm's, which shouldnt be a problem since plenty of people want to be gm ^_^

[Sharlyne]

Abyss is one more reason to buy SC and fun sometimes, but i seen that lately no one goes to abyss O_O coz of the pvp and fighting at least on pvp 30,40,50 i cant find a party with my cleric =s don't know why if its coz of the pvp or coz of people like plvl this days? O_O don't know . But people always cookie on lvl 60 back in my day to steal room, always get a strong pt or a full pt. thats how i never got a room steal ^-^. and be full +9 :P

[EchoSound]

Ah now we are getting somewhere :)

So you suggest a sort of neighbourhood watch?
Cause i would like to see that. Just people who have the power to serisously warn players and can jail them. Banning rights may be a bit to much. So they can put someone in jail for the gm to take a look at the situation later.

At the risk of it turning into a police-state i would say yes to this.

The alternative is off course to have more gm's, which shouldnt be a problem since plenty of people want to be gm ^_^

There would be that possibity that it might turn into a police-state, but if it helps things run more smoothly for everyone, then it would be worth it. The key would, of course, be to recruit only those with an understanding of how far to go and what offenses were punishable.

You're right, though. Definitely not banning, but jailing is a positive. Probably the minimum of three days with a note somewhere to the GM's that so and so was put in for whatever offense? The only question is would this be acceptable? Is it something that's ok to offer up to the GM's as an alternative? Because it's a lot like taking a load off their shoulders and helping our community at the same time. The rudeness can't go on for much longer, because it's already pushed a great number of people out of the game, especially those who just found out about it.

[hemmes]

Yeah i think its important to instruct the police (lol) well so that they dont jail on first sight but first warn and so on. It will be some work too because you want people who are responsible, in different time zones, online a lot, different lvls and experienced...pfew...but its absolutely possible.

It will be very important for the gm's to react within a set amount of time though, so people wont sit in jail for a week and go complain on the forum.

I like where this is going ^_^

[KateeHellen]

I remember that once my brother post here his idea about FIESTA POLICE DEPARTAMENT <perhaps this thread is still somewere in forum archive (however closed so no chance to necro :D)> but at this time <that was around half year ago> his idea was turned down by community because of risk that people who will <possibly> participate in FPD can abuse thier power.
I personally avoided so far abbyses <exept couple short visits in +20 abbys> because of lag issue.
But on the other hand since Abbyses appearance we have less fights over spots at regular maps ad that is one of the reasons why they should stay :).
However its true that there is needed a system preventing staying in certain abbys after reaching Abbys cap level limit.
For example in the moment when you reach lvl 30 in +20 abbys you will autowrap to forest perimeter.
Otherwise like many posted here... <especially now> when you enter Abbys be prepared that not only mob will try to kill you so then my advice is "FIRST SHOOT AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER" :D

[LonetheWolf]

You can't change someone's greediness over a monitor..
and also stupidity
^read and believe!^

As for the ops comment on 'restricting battles' you miss the whole point here, about ten people now have stated that you simply can't have so much gain without a risk, and you're sick of us saying it but you need to wise up to that, there's not going to be some trick for you to get out of being attacked other than STAYING OUT. If you can't kill anything in the other fields gee partying someone... Besides which if there was a battle system request people could easily spam it on you (like trades and party invites) and get you killed as you can't heal while those little boxes are up (unless they fixed that real recently).
Dare I touch the ever disputed subject of just when ksing/killing people crosses the line in the abyss? mmm yes... I believe it doesn't and I know you'll all flame me for this and no I'm not a bully, I've dealt with them plenty though (try the lvl 30 abyss on epith- bully central) A cl, gm, crs (can't recall who) basically stated a while back that you're on your own when you enter the abyss, its like entering the seediest areas of a city, where no cop with help you, expect to be attacked- I fully understand and accept those words when I go into any abyss. I believe the only thing reportable in the abyss is anything that doesn't have to do with killing in there (swearing, spaming, scaming, war for revenge, hacking) and I know quite well poisoned77's view and a few others is rather different from that but eh I don't attack people without a reason in there (mainly being attacked first) so go ahead and report and whine to fiesta help.. or grow up, get a group together, and defend yourself! Seriously, the customer support people have enough to deal with already. If you can solve your own problems without breaking the rules then its good to do so.

[RikoRain]

Abyss is pvp because you fight over a mobbing spot. Keep in mind outside abyss peopel fight over spots, but aside form warring, you cant do anything about it but bicker. In Abyss.. its a "Please leave" type of deal, they dont leave, its simply: attack em.

xD On my cleric I was pretty placid about it, on my archer i rarely got a pt (im talking abotu the 60 abyss btw), btu on my mage.. with a party usualy of 3 mages 2 clerics, or 3 mages, 1 fighter 2 clerics, or 2 mages 1 fighters 2 clerics... theres no way. Not uh. Not when were all using extendors and full scroll. s

[Ciocolajs]

i cant go abyss AHAHAAHH >;D

[Sakura_The_Mage]

Omg Kuwa you had the guts to post :3 <3
But yeah he suddenly started folloing us and, Ithink we're hated Dx But we DID both spot claim -Is guilty- but yeah :/ They both probably kind should've handled it better, BUT I got -a person- on the job xD SInce it IS PVP, the person owned them and after a while they left them o:
Note: Not Adding people ._.

[sh4d0wkid]

Stop makiing lutpost... face it, Abysss IS MEANT FOR PvP! THATS THE WHOLE POINT they're not just going to give you ez drops, ez exp its since the abhility to be killed is on the line. Take awya pvp and thats not an abyss and it would be taken out the game completely

Sidenote. U can report the people who Nova'd your mob then killed u for ksing

[soojin]

the only thing i could say bad about the PVP abysses are the people who come in there solely to PVP. aka, killing because they can, not because they want the better training spot.

and i think PVPing because " hey, your ign sucks / your guild sucks / i'm bored / i'm a higher level than you " and not because my party has the better training spot, is harassment in that respect.

i can't name how many times i've gone into the 2x and 3x abyss on my archer to train, only to have a gang of people attack me time the map entrance invincibility status wears off. even on my cleric in the past, i've gone into the abyss solo and was wiped out upon entering because of something as petty as " oh, your guild and my guild are enemies, gtfo " or someone was leaving and saw me come in all buffed up / scrolled up.

seriously, the abyss is for training. :/ why do you think roumen / elderine / uruga PVPs don't have monsters while the abyss does ? i don't think it was accidental.

i think some monitoring would be nice for those in who go into the abyss with intentions to level, not intentions to just start crap.

[sh4d0wkid]

the only thing i could say bad about the PVP abysses are the people who come in there solely to PVP. aka, killing because they can, not because they want the better training spot.

and i think PVPing because " hey, your ign sucks / your guild sucks / i'm bored / i'm a higher level than you " and not because my party has the better training spot, is harassment in that respect.

i can't name how many times i've gone into the 2x and 3x abyss on my archer to train, only to have a gang of people attack me time the map entrance invincibility status wears off. even on my cleric in the past, i've gone into the abyss solo only to be wiped out upon entering because of something as petty as " oh, your guild and my guild are enemies, gtfo " or someone was leaving and saw me come in all buffed up / scrolled up.

seriously, the abyss is for training. :/ why do you think roumen / elderine / uruga PVPs don't have monsters while the abyss does ? i don't think it was accidental.

i think some monitoring would be nice for those in who go into the abyss with intentions to level, not intentions to just start crap.

Thats the point? killing ppl is pvp abyss is a pvp for ur lvl section if u cant take the ehat u can leave and quest or grind something

[hemmes]

i am guilty too...but people plz READ THE POSTS!

Soojin, your arguments have been pwnd long time ago.

[soojin]

Thats the point? killing ppl is pvp abyss is a pvp for ur lvl section if u cant take the ehat u can leave and quest or grind something
lol@ehat.
i've acknowledged the purpose of PVP in the abyss, thanks for reinstating.
however, just as you are entitled to your opinion, i'm entitled to mine.

and mine = abyss is a training area with PVP, but don't disturb my time just because you're too afraid of going into an open PVP area where chances are, you'll get killed by someone higher level than you.

please note that i didn't say to take away PVP from the abyss, because i know some people do have selective reading abilities apparently.

thanks for the advice, though.

i am guilty too...but people plz READ THE POSTS!

Soojin, your arguments have been pwnd long time ago.

i am sorry for voicing my opinion and/or experience on an open topic - that allows everyone with an account the ability to respond - in a public forum.

" pwnd " or not, it's still a valid argument. whether or not you agree doesn't change my stance.

and i have read the posts, thank you for your concern. (:

[TrippinRat]

please note that i didn't say to take away PVP from the abyss, because i know some people do have selective reading abilities apparently.

and mine = abyss is a training area with PVP, but don't disturb my time just because you're too afraid of going into an open PVP area where chances are, you'll get killed by someone higher level than you.



Why have PvP at all in the zone if you don't want to be killed? Abyss is a tier'd zone, so you aren't going to get stomped by someone twice your level like you would in BG. Nothing about fear, it's about forced competitiveness over a premium zone.

Why dictate how other people play the game for that matter? If people find it fun to kill for sport, then let them.

It's like people complaining you use Size 1 font just to make us strain our eyes.

Just revel in the fact you have better ethics. Just move on and hope karma bites them in the **** later or something...



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[Ryokosha]

They really should just make it so that Abyss doesn't give more exp / drops than any other region, so that the people who like PVP no matter for what reason can go there and the ones who don't want to PVP just don't go there.

[hemmes]

i am sorry for voicing my opinion and/or experience on an open topic - that allows everyone with an account the ability to respond - in a public forum.

" pwnd " or not, it's still a valid argument. whether or not you agree doesn't change my stance.

and i have read the posts, thank you for your concern. (:

I didnt mean you couldnt post your opinion, it is quite valid.
I meant that the fact that the abyss is just a training ground is just not true, it wasnt made just to train. And it has barely any rules which is a choice they made when creating it. You can be killed for any reason. Its just as it is, i dont always like it either but i see why things are the way they are.

I had the feeling you missed some of the posts, like the one from poison, but if you didnt...my bad.:) I can be very subtle at times :p

[Asato]

*wonders how many parties i killed in the two days i spent grinding in 6x abyss*

hmm.....

i love abyss. so much prey.

With me healing, you killed 4 seva, plus some random people going on your inferno, after, dunno how many you killed alone.

I admit I quite don't like that part of abyss, the pvp thingy cuz 1) I'm too nice to kill people 2) I hate pvp

I won't lie that I was with Seva when he killed people who didin't want to move from his room, I was healing him cuz we were duoing, but I wa snot attacking, I'm pacifist -_-° (Reason why I don't go in FBZ and I dun like GW)

and that's quite annoying when people come in the room you are and then try to take it or kill you while you aoe like 90% of mobs there. (The worse is when people kill you just cuz you pass in the room @@ you didn't do anything, jsut passing and they kill you, ***?)

But again, it's pvp so oh well. (I always try to finish that in a nice way, not by killing like a certain someone -_-; )

[Sakura_The_Mage]

Well I know IT IS PVP, but we were both guilty of spot claiming (except for the person who was following us he spot claimed the room himself while we were going through to go to a different place) But the other party when we let them have some of the room, we did both spot claim and one person claimed "Sorry we just wanted the room" Is that not spot claiming? But yes it's PVP and I do agree with some of you but others have wrong points.
a) It's PVP you can do what you want
b) You can't spot claim
c) Don't be obnoxious about it
We're just trying to say that people are becoming more obnoxious about abyss spot claiming, killing to spot claim, and cursing people off for you running into they're mobs while you're kiting, that's dumb on your part.
All Kura and I are saying is, Why is Abyss so dumb now? That's all we want to say really... She's really just trying to say, why are people acting this way just because they want to level? Sure everyone does, but doesn't mean you have to make people lose money (scrolls and stones) and your grinding exp if you have a mob. And also I agree with Soojin, people go after one another for guilds/levels/class/spot claiming, that's only what people do..
That's really what Kura and I were saying :/

[elynsysnos]

I've had some rotten experiences in 6x abyss too in the past...

I was solo on my nubby fighter, no +9 equips, wasn't scrolled or buffed {why waste buff time while looking for a room?}, was using an axe {so def was fairly low}... I was passing through the largest room in the Abyss, a group was in there, so I headed to another hallway {"GTFO OUT OF OUR ROOM"~Chill there tiger, I'm just passing through}. Just as I get to the opening of the hallway, the fighter from the party ran towards me, as did the mage, they had the ENTIRE room hot on their heels, fighter stuns me, mage slows me, they both warped out. Well now, what happens to the unbuffed, non-+9d, non-charmed/extended soloist that was merely passing by? Well, stunned, can't move, slowed in case you survived the initial wave, but really, it's instant death/loss of exp. {Yea, ever since that little incident I decided to keep a minimum of 3 hotkeys for warp scrolls}

Situations like that are the only ones I think can justify the removal of the PvP aspects from the Abyss.
Other than that, Abyss is free grounds. *Shrug* It won't change, nor will the power hungry twits. You want that nice, juicy exp and all those yummy drops? You gotta fight for it.

[soojin]

Why have PvP at all in the zone if you don't want to be killed? Abyss is a tier'd zone, so you aren't going to get stomped by someone twice your level like you would in BG. Nothing about fear, it's about forced competitiveness over a premium zone.

Why dictate how other people play the game for that matter? If people find it fun to kill for sport, then let them.

It's like people complaining you use Size 1 font just to make us strain our eyes.

Just revel in the fact you have better ethics. Just move on and hope karma bites them in the **** later or something...


i never suggested removing PVP from the abyss. :X i just suggested maybe it'd be a good idea to have a GM or some other form of game authority watch how people interact in the abyss, since i believe most people think that PVPing in roumen / elderine / uruga is different than PVPing in abyss for training spots. i'm aware that yes, higher risk of death by PVP / PVE = higher EXP amounts and drops. never argued that, but i find it silly to die because i've entered and a bunch of jerks go, " oh she's using t3 scrolls, everyone kill her ". repeatedly. :3

it's more of a " i kill you because _ _ _ _ " reason than a breaking ToS one, i suppose.

and actually, people complaining about me using size 1 font is different from complaining of being spawned killed due to someone simply having a chip on their shoulder is different.(IE: are you complaining about my font size just to start trouble, or is it really bothering you and potentially others ?) if you ask me to change my font size, i will gladly do so. i was asked to change my font colour before, and i've been doing that because it was brought to my attention that some people had a problem with it. *shrug* if there is a problem that nobody knows about, nothing can be done about it. that said, if you have a problem with my font size, i suggest kindly asking me to change it, and i'll do so. i don't know how it looks on your screen if you don't tell me, because it looks 100% fine on mine, and i try not to pick colours / fonts that cause headaches, such as a bright yellow colour in funky styles. .-.

i guess i should pat myself on the back for my ethics :/, but i try being positive in thinking that people aren't 100% selfish in everything they do, because not everyone is. perhaps i need to stop holding people to the same standards that i hold myself. i tend to be an optimist, but i forget people [of all ages] on the lower end of the maturity spectrum also play the game, lol. ):

I didnt mean you couldnt post your opinion, it is quite valid.
I meant that the fact that the abyss is just a training ground is just not true, it wasnt made just to train. And it has barely any rules which is a choice they made when creating it. You can be killed for any reason. Its just as it is, i dont always like it either but i see why things are the way they are.

I had the feeling you missed some of the posts, like the one from poison, but if you didnt...my bad.:) I can be very subtle at times :p
thank you for clarifying what you meant by your earlier words. ^^
i felt as if you were implying that whatever i said now didn't matter since it had been " pwnd " previously.

i like the PVP in the abyss. it's exciting. i like defending my training spot, lol.
i just don't like the harassment in there that goes on (you know, spawn invincibility goes off after you enter, and 3+ people gang you before you can step from the entrance npc).

[firedemon25]

http://ifyouwas.com

[Tommy2k7_uk]

cool so i can just go into pvp see a room someones in kill them wait for them to come back n kill them again :D sounds fun to me :P. but one thing i kill them then they get people they no to come kill me mm best not kill them n keep lookin for a room in pvp... ( dont mind my random things lol )

[LonetheWolf]

http://ifyouwas.com

this has nothing to do with the topic, fiesta, or outspark and will probably be removed

[serpenscoda]

I don't see any point in even having an abyss anymore. Its just a chaotic mess right now. It's nothing but a PvP arena filled with foul-mouthed little noobs. What's the point in even having the mobs? You can't even get to them.

They should either just turn it into another BZ, or actually police the place.

[meixi]

The purpose of an Abyss is to bring a team in there if you get killed. It's not meant for grinding. It's more of a "Level and prepare to battle at any point in time" place. Meaning, the spots AREN'T anybodies, if you can get there your allowed to be there; so if players are spot claiming it is illegal. The actions you can take against it are reporting them, or just PVP them and kill there and they'll probably come back, that's the purpose of the abyss. Removing PVP in the abyss would make the zone too easy to level & the game virtually too easy to level without any action inside there. If you don't like the PVP in the Abyss then you could just simply level in a normal zone, and people hate the XP in the normal zones but grinding there IS do-able, or you could use the dungeons (which offer 300% more XP over all other zones.) Infact, it's fun, relaxing when people come for a party or they try to kill you over a small mob/spawn of monsters, so just pull in friends and fight back that's what it's for =P.

May~

[gibson82650]

ok yea i skipped pages 4 and 5 so what idc im sickk of ppl sayign "keep it pvp" your probly the ***** that killppl THATS why you wanna keep it pvp -.- and whys it just lvl 60 its lvl 20 and 30 and 40 ive seen it im only lvl 46 :P (ima n00b) what most ppl do is just kik your **** while your killing mobs...your just a little ***** if you do that and room claiming *** IS THIS this isnt stratego stop it its not about terrtory if your life sucks that much go kill your self i dont hit ne one in the abyss...at all they hit me i stand still dont fight back...that way they dont get ne pleasure them: Hhaha i killed you n00b me: well i diditn do ne thign so yea you would kill me thus...they get no reward and im all for pvp for the rest of the players just make it in one zone only!!!!! i mean about a 50 yard raidus around the warp guard plenty of space to run like a chicken.Idc any more im just sickk of losign my f'in scrolls

[TrippinRat]

I think some people are just having bad luck or ask for trouble when they enter...

I've leveled one character to 50 and another past 70, and almost exclusively hunted the abyss because of the drop rates. I've never had any problems with getting "PK'd".

Now I've had people rudely tell me to beat it and they were there first... But that's THEIR fault when they get their behind whooped.


It's risk vs. reward. Too many people want loot handed to them on a silver platter. What fun would there be without some chaos?

If you can't take the heat, move your feet.

[Canboy]

Woo for pvp abyss!

i always thought it was fun :3.

Still if you have a good enough pt, you won't die against another group if they're the kinda nubs who think they'll win everything.

[RetroZero]

abyss really pisses a lot ofpeople off, i dont know why its made as pvp, but it's the best grinding places for below 70

[gibson82650]

well w/e im done postin here everyoen is childish

[wrecksalot]

serpenscoda: I couldn't agree with you more. I've only entered the Abyss a few times only to pick up a few quick drops "of my own", not anyone elses, just to complete a stack of Elrue. Last time I dropped in, I was hit as soon as I spawned in by a Archer and there were dead bodies everywhere. I tried talkin to the person (as did others) and all any of us got back was foul language from the Archer and the other 7 people sitting on the ground near the spawn point. I left, got my lvl 29 character, came in and killed him. I then waited for him to spawn in and killed him. I asked him to stop spawn killing because no one likes it, he simply cussed me out. It was a waste of time, so I left and don't go there any more for any reason.

I know it's a PVP area, but I do wish there was an area such as this without the PVP ability and the drops work just like when you are in a quest, they belong to the person who kills them and only they can get them.

Hummm... question. What makes this any different from the Battlezone areas? I know it has monsters and drops, but what I mean is the battlezone area is a area where you can PK. That's what happens in the Abyss, so what makes it any different.

Also, I'm thinking this has nothing to do with Outspark. Seem's like this is a function of the game provided to Outspark by OnSoft (I think that's the name of the company). Probably not much can be done outside of staying out of those areas.

I don't fault Outspark, people will be people and when you open an area up for PVP, this is going to happen. I see that area as no different than a death match map in some other games. Then we would need machine guns ;-)

[meixi]

ok yea i skipped pages 4 and 5 so what idc im sickk of ppl sayign "keep it pvp" your probly the ***** that killppl THATS why you wanna keep it pvp -.- and whys it just lvl 60 its lvl 20 and 30 and 40 ive seen it im only lvl 46 :P (ima n00b) what most ppl do is just kik your **** while your killing mobs...your just a little ***** if you do that and room claiming *** IS THIS this isnt stratego stop it its not about terrtory if your life sucks that much go kill your self i dont hit ne one in the abyss...at all they hit me i stand still dont fight back...that way they dont get ne pleasure them: Hhaha i killed you n00b me: well i diditn do ne thign so yea you would kill me thus...they get no reward and im all for pvp for the rest of the players just make it in one zone only!!!!! i mean about a 50 yard raidus around the warp guard plenty of space to run like a chicken.Idc any more im just sickk of losign my f'in scrolls

It's meant for PVP gibson. That's why they warn you befor eyou enter. If you don't like the risk you simply do not have to enter the zone.

May

[Miazma]

ONLY players with full cs buffs and complete +9 armour and equips should enter Abyss? Funny thing I have just finished lvl 6x and spent a huge amount of time in there. Yes I had a +9 weapon but whoopie doo I am a cleric and all I did was tank and heal. I used a lvl 40 +9 shield from lvl 40 to lvl 70. I was wearing green lvl 26 to 68 armour none of it +9, just odd bits and pieces I picked up.

I always partied with the same group and I have to be honest and say the majority of people we met respected the fact if they entered a room and it was taken they moved on. Not once was I pk'd by another player and I think the only time a member of my party was pk'd was by another party member playing a prank.

My personal view on the pvp areas is if you enter them then you are putting yourself up to be pk'd. But with good people skills you can grind there for very long periods without any drama.

I personally read the OP's post as looking more at the rudeness of some people, and player rudeness has become a huge problem. Myself and my party if we entered a room and it was taken then we simply moved on till we found an empty one. Yes we could have pk'd and taken over the room but that would have seriously eaten into the grinding time. Our goal was to gain experience and items so we considered fighting to take over a room a waste.

Yes everybody plays the game differently but if a few basic rules are followed there is more than enough space for us all to enjoy.

[gibson82650]

It's meant for PVP gibson. That's why they warn you befor eyou enter. If you don't like the risk you simply do not have to enter the zone.

May

bull***** if everyoen wasnt such a smart*** ppl woudl go there more just cause you have a higher main and w/e +9 armor and weps that still does not give you the right to go aroudn killign ppl as you plz

[frickity]

PVP = KILL PEOPLE AS YOU PLEASE

any questions?

[gibson82650]

PVP = KILL PEOPLE AS YOU PLEASE

any questions?

no PVP is a way for jerks to get theri way and not get into troubel -.-

[meixi]

no PVP is a way for jerks to get theri way and not get into troubel -.-

Keep this thread on topic and don't start flaming please. If you have nothing nice to say then don't say it all. Thank you.

May

[gibson82650]

Keep this thread on topic and don't start flaming please. If you have nothing nice to say then don't say it all. Thank you.

May

what im saying is this...ppl sometimes go to the abyss to killppl while thier killign mobs just to makethem PO'ed ...and i have only 3 ppl in mind when i say "jerks"

[WarpstonePsycho]

I thought the whole point of pvp was you could spot claim and if anyone wanted to challenge you they could. if you are more powerfull or better at fighting you cna keep the spot. if the other people win they can claim the spot.

that soulds like the rules for pvp. whats with telling us we can not claim spots in pvp?
that defeats the purpose in it

[frickity]

If you are going to enter abyss when you are lvl x0-x5 expect to get dominated unless you are stacked.

Once you hit x6 you start to be able to put up a good fight.

If you still can't handle it don't go in there til you are x9 and own the place, and if you are x9 and getting Dominated, you're doing something wrong.

EDIT: no you can't spot claim, hence you can get killed out of it, in fact spot claiming
is illegal in every map of the game.

[gibson82650]

ok i agree with both psyco adn frickity i mean yaea sure psyco that a friend ly battle but not someon while your killing 10+mobs comes up and gives ya a ax to the back :/ that just sux and yea frick if your x9 and gettign pwned by a x1 theres defsoemthign wrong..we are talkgin about no buffs or neenhancers right ?

[meixi]

I thought the whole point of pvp was you could spot claim and if anyone wanted to challenge you they could. if you are more powerfull or better at fighting you cna keep the spot. if the other people win they can claim the spot.

that soulds like the rules for pvp. whats with telling us we can not claim spots in pvp?
that defeats the purpose in it

Spot claiming isn't allowed on normal maps, so it isn't allowed in PVP either. Though, you can kill other players if they enter the room and try to grind because it is PVP and you can attack at any given time, but if you attack I would at least let them kill the mobs then attacking while they're killing. At least make it a bit respectful.

May

[Zenkarus]

Spot claiming isn't allowed on normal maps, so it isn't allowed in PVP either. Though, you can kill other players if they enter the room and try to grind because it is PVP and you can attack at any given time, but if you attack I would at least let them kill the mobs then attacking while they're killing. At least make it a bit respectful.

May

ill spot your claim D:< this thread is pointless just because nothing the public or the wanna be cl's say will change the way the game is made in korea

[luckywalker07]

If abyss wasn't a pvp area then this thread would be about people getting ks'ed in abyss rather than people dying...

Simply changing it just creates another problem

[lordhatred6665150]

I like them, its where grinding and pvp collide. It makes it a challenge. Like.. survival of the fittest.

Lol, more like survival of the CS (insert your choice of derogatory comment here). It's becoming more and more of the bully boys playground than a grinding area. Honestly, even if I can kill them (and in 9/10 of the time I can), I'll be willing to share. Only if they attack me on purpose or steal what I ask them to kindly leave alone will I attack them with intention of killing them.

Point being, if ya wanna kill other players, take it to the actual PvP zones. No one can complain in there (after all, it is what they're there for). Or go pick a guild war, those are good too.

[evileggroll]

well, i'm bored so i'll post a few of my thoughts. the problem with rude, immature, and disrespectful people in game is not only limited to the abyss. it seems they're everywhere, even in higher lvl maps. i see arguments and obscenities (although misspelled to avoid jail time i guess) shouted in eldy and uruga, rude and sometimes profane language used in several of the abyss areas, ks'ing from roumen to burning rock ( that's as far as i've gone, but i'm sure it exists in higher areas too). it wasn't like this 4 months ago, only guess i have is it must be the newer players causing alot of the commotion. well, i have no solution, i do like the idea of some sort of fiesta police to kinda monitor things, another game i played had the gm's do it and they normally were invisible to other players until they revealed themselves. anyways, you're not alone as far as having to deal with rude, immature, and disrespectful people. best of luck to you. sorry if my post didn't really have a point, i'm sleepy.

[gibson82650]

If abyss wasn't a pvp area then this thread would be about people getting ks'ed in abyss rather than people dying...

Simply changing it just creates another problem

well would you rather get alittle exp or lose a ot fo exp when they attack you and let the mob hit oyu last hmmm NOT a really not choice dont ya think!!!

[speedoryu0817]

In Abyss... it's ABYSS...
You want your mobs to grind, you gotta b able to defend your right to those mobs...
If that means a little PvP, so be it.. it's abyss... JUST DEAL ^_^

[Zenkarus]

well, i'm bored so i'll post a few of my thoughts. the problem with rude, immature, and disrespectful people in game is not only limited to the abyss. it seems they're everywhere, even in higher lvl maps. i see arguments shouted in eldy and uruga, rude and sometimes profane language used in several of the abyss areas, ks'ing from roumen to burning rock ( that's as far as i've gone, but i'm sure it exists in higher areas too). it wasn't like this 4 months ago, only guess i have is it must be the newer players causing alot of the commotion. well, i have no solution, i do like the idea of some sort of fiesta police to kinda monitor things, another game i played had the gm's do it and they normally were invisible to other players until they revealed themselves. anyways, you're not alone as far as having to deal with rude, immature, and disrespectful people. best of luck to you. sorry if my post didn't really have a point, i'm sleepy.

if you dont like it then leave what isnt censored ingame isnt considered bad to the people censoring it then you just gotta deal with it and rudeness is life go anywhere and you'll get it the thing is the same ppl that are rude outside of life are rude ingame as well you just gotta deal with it cuz your not gonna change how ppl are

[frickity]

well would you rather get alittle exp or lose a ot fo exp when they attack you and let the mob hit oyu last hmmm NOT a really not choice dont ya think!!!

Thats the risk you take when you enter abyss.

If you can't take the heat, stay out.

[gibson82650]

in abyss... It's abyss...
You want your mobs to grind, you gotta b able to defend your right to those mobs...
If that means a little pvp, so be it.. It's abyss... Just deal ^_^

nope not when ppl kil me then i get the last hit froma mob im not gonan deal im sickk of this happening i shouldnt have to leave the abyss!!!

[Klothos]

Spot claiming isn't allowed on normal maps, so it isn't allowed in PVP either. Though, you can kill other players if they enter the room and try to grind because it is PVP and you can attack at any given time, but if you attack I would at least let them kill the mobs then attacking while they're killing. At least make it a bit respectful.

May

Fortunately, 'Common Courtesy' gets better in each abyss as I level up - Perhaps because, after Level 60 or so, most of us are familiar what we all have to go through to level up and it just isn't worth the hassle. If somebody 'spot-claims', no biggie for me - I just go somewhere else: That person may run into me later in a 'spot' and return the favor (actually, this does happen) --- but there are always going to be (four-letter-word)heads at any level who have nothing better to do but to try and make you miserable


I agree with Poisoned way back in Post 2

[Zenkarus]

nope not when ppl kil me then i get the last hit froma mob im not gonan deal im sickk of this happening i shouldnt have to leave the abyss!!!

then complain to the makers of the game in korea and then watch them not respond

[luckywalker07]

well would you rather get alittle exp or lose a ot fo exp when they attack you and let the mob hit oyu last hmmm NOT a really not choice dont ya think!!!

first or all, no need for the bold thing... second, I actually don't get killed to often in abyss and there's a simple reason why. I party, and in parties your much less likely to even get attacked, and if you are attacked, then you have multiple people to take down 1 target.

Secondly, I would rather just get killed than be ks'ed because I find ks'ing to be the most annoying thing on the planet!

Finally what does this mean? :...or lose a ot fo exp

[Zenkarus]

Fortunately, 'Common Courtesy' gets better in each abyss as I level up - Perhaps because, after Level 60 or so, most of us are familiar what we all have to go through to level up and it just isn't worth the hassle. If somebody 'spot-claims', no biggie for me - I just go somewhere else: That person may run into me later in a 'spot' and return the favor (actually, this does happen) --- but there are always going to be (four-letter-word)heads at any level who have nothing better to do but to try and make you miserable


I agree with Poisoned way back in Post 2

lol go lvl to 80 and then wait for the abyss and common courtesy will be thrown to the dogs when ppl fight over the mat drops cuz nothing drops enough mats in br and kq is pointless till its fixed

[evileggroll]

Zenkarus you're opinion is note and thrown in my mental wastebasket. You know why.

[EchoSound]

x.x I'm glad the inital post points to the right area I was getting at and is understood by a nice handful of people here. Which, the point is, people are simply allowed to get away with too much and are extremely rude while doing it.

But uh.. gibson you might wanna tone the language down. There are more constructive ways to argue your point of a disagreement than to swear at them. You could get into some big trouble with that mouth by not only your peers, but by the staff. So be careful, ok?

[gibson82650]

then complain to the makers of the game in korea and then watch them not respond

heh exactly:/

[gibson82650]

first or all, no need for the bold thing... second, I actually don't get killed to often in abyss and there's a simple reason why. I party, and in parties your much less likely to even get attacked, and if you are attacked, then you have multiple people to take down 1 target.

Secondly, I would rather just get killed than be ks'ed because I find ks'ing to be the most annoying thing on the planet!

Finally what does this mean? :

lols well thats just you and that a typo i ment "or lose a lot of exp"

[Jen1073]

im sorry...did people not know when they go to the abyss that they can die?



honestly yea you should expect to get attacked there...i DONT think some of the trash talking and language that happens is necessary tho

[gibson82650]

>.> ok ima go to a more mature topic

[frickity]

At least they don't allow shouting, and on the overseas server they don't even allow parties.

[gibson82650]

At least they don't allow shouting, and on the overseas server they don't even allow parties.

hey 1 question what server is you on>.> i swear i saw you in eapith alot

[Klothos]

lol go lvl to 80 and then wait for the abyss and common courtesy will be thrown to the dogs when ppl fight over the mat drops cuz nothing drops enough mats in br and kq is pointless till its fixed

LOL - Im looking forward to it ( I still have to pack on a few levels though)


Whats funny is that I can see that happening at Lvl 80-89 - because you are at the top and you dont have a whole lot of places to go. Probably a lot like the Lvl 20s abyss (maybe worse :D )


Proving, once again, that things usually go Full Circle in life.........

[EchoSound]

>.> ok ima go to a more mature topic

Wait a second. More mature topic? So a topic on how our community has gone down the crapper isn't important and mature? Sure, I may have been griping in the header that abyss shouldn't be pvp anymore and that was childish. I admit that... but the content is what really matters here. And that content is that players are just becoming way too inconsiderate of each other, and something needs to happen. Or at least that's what it escalated to, anyway.

Spread the love, not the hate.

[gibson82650]

Wait a second. More mature topic? So a topic on how our community has gone down the crapper isn't important and mature? Sure, I may have been griping in the header that abyss shouldn't be pvp anymore and that was childish. I admit that... but the content is what really matters here. And that content is that players are just becoming way too inconsiderate of each other, and something needs to happen. Or at least that's what it escalated to, anyway.

Spread the love, not the hate.

well w/e its nto gonna change so why bother

[EchoSound]

Because with enough people on board anything can change. With enough good ideas on how to rectify the problem, things can be done about them.

[hemmes]

>.> ok ima go to a more mature topic

Yeah so you can flame people in a mature way:rolleyes:
Srry to say, you are amongst the least mature posters on this topic.

Well...

A) There is no spot claiming. They have a right to the room just as much as you. Just because you ask them nicely does not mean they have the obligation to find someplace else to grind.

B) The reward of large amounts of drops and high exp from easy to kill mobs comes at the cost of it being a PVP zone.

Having the abyss a PVP zone balances out its attributes. If there was no PVP there, parties would just kill steal each other's mobs into oblivion causing massive arguments and I am sure more than a few ToS violations. Parties would also be able to just sit in a room forever and reap the rewards of the abyss zone without the consequence of getting killed by another player.

It is all a balance. If you want to AOE large umbers of mobs and get rich very quick from mat drops, then you have to understand the risk that you may be attacked and killed at any time. There is no glory without sacrifice.

Did people not read this, or just ignored it? :)

[frickity]

But the only "change" you all are referring to is what people say, they taunt you, they swear at you, but thats not PVP only that happens everywhere, and the only way to control that is with 24 hour policing of all maps.

[gibson82650]

Yeah so you can flame people in a mature way:rolleyes:
Srry to say, you are amongst the least mature posters on this topic.



Did people not read this, or just ignored it? :)

wow thnx for the compliment :/

[hemmes]

:p your very welcome.

U just said it because you where a bit to enthousiastically with your answers and a bit rude. Plus next time, try to truely 'listen' to other people and use more than one argument. Im not trying to dis you, simply advice you ^_^

[EchoSound]

But the only "change" you all are referring to is what people say, they taunt you, they swear at you, but thats not PVP only that happens everywhere, and the only way to control that is with 24 hour policing of all maps.

The problem was never the pvp it's self, but the consequences of the pvp. The players (all of - meaning every party involved in every pvp such as these) actions is what makes the problem - the way people feel they can do whatever the heck they want and get off scott free. Both portions of my post broke a lot of rules both morally and game-related. That's the change that needs to be made, and if policing is what needs to be done then that's the course things need to go to run smoothly for the whole game.

[cloudjames]

Haha, I feel the whole point on this thread is most of the new generation group of players need to learn what courtesy and being nice is. The released of Abyss and Additional Quest allows the new generation of players to level very rapidly. Thus, making MOST (not all) of the new generation of players "noobish", "inexperienced"(Even if you are 6x). I think back then, when Abyss just started, whenever I go to abyss rooms, 5x, 6x abyss, I see most parties are more than willing to share rooms. And you know what, when it just started out, I don't see texts in abyss like, "Please leave the room, its taken.", "GTFO if you don't want to die"...etc.
Now, LOL, even just PASSING THROUGH the rooms, you will see those types of texts appearing. Its just, LOL, I don't know, the way I see it is, most newer group of players are just selfish? LOL. I just feel most of the new generation players needs to maybe, learn the word, share? (Note, I said most, not all.) I think those players, the older generation group, which I always look up to, are just nicer and more courteous.
But yea, I have to totally agree that, you can't gain everything without sacrifices. So I guess, the only way to gain all the good drops and EXP is to defend yourself. I don't like pvping either. But I can pretty much defend myself now, thanks to Sensei Areli, LOL.

~Have fun all.~

[evileggroll]

haha, i feel the whole point on this thread is most of the new generation group of players need to learn what courtesy and being nice is. The released of abyss and additional quest allows the new generation of players to level very rapidly. Thus, making most (not all) of the new generation of players "noobish", "inexperienced"(even if you are 6x). I think back then, when abyss just started, whenever i go to abyss rooms, 5x, 6x abyss, i see most parties are more than willing to share rooms. And you know what, when it just started out, i don't see texts in abyss like, "please leave the room, its taken.", "gtfo if you don't want to die"...etc.
Now, lol, even just passing through the rooms, you will see those types of texts appearing. Its just, lol, i don't know, the way i see it is, most newer group of players are just selfish? Lol. I just feel most of the new generation players needs to maybe, learn the word, share? (note, i said most, not all.) i think those players, the older generation group, which i always look up to, are just nicer and more courteous.
But yea, i have to totally agree that, you can't gain everything without sacrifices. So i guess, the only way to gain all the good drops and exp is to defend yourself. I don't like pvping either. But i can pretty much defend myself now, thanks to sensei areli, lol.

~have fun all.~

yeah!!! wat he said!!! sharing is caring.hehehe

[jjhubby]

I solo 99% of the time and my favorites for sure are the parties that try to kill a solo fighter. Must be 10 year old kids that feel important to gang a single player. These are the type of players that get what they deserve in the end.

[Kia_Xiou]

you forgot one imp. when u are killing happly there are these idiots who start attacking you because they want to steal your drops

[wrecksalot]

Just to be clear, it's not just about defending your mobs. I've spawned in and was attacked as soon as I was in there and I'm aware of others who have had this same issue. It's turned into a Battlefield area.

In Abyss... it's ABYSS...
You want your mobs to grind, you gotta b able to defend your right to those mobs...
If that means a little PvP, so be it.. it's abyss... JUST DEAL ^_^

[wrecksalot]

if you dont like it then leave what isnt censored ingame isnt considered bad to the people censoring it then you just gotta deal with it and rudeness is life go anywhere and you'll get it the thing is the same ppl that are rude outside of life are rude ingame as well you just gotta deal with it cuz your not gonna change how ppl are

This is sort of true, the fact is there is no way to censor every miss-spelling of a foul word that some teen has figured out. I'm guessing Outspark is looking at this as a business decission, if you can clean this up to at least a PG rating, you can include more gamers and that means more CS purchases. I'm not sure anyone is saying that you can stop rudeness, it's a matter of what level. Sometimes it becomes hate related and goes to far. I've never seen it so bad except over the past 2 weeks of play. I'm guessing teen's who want to be bullies and have nothing else to do, including PKing in non-PVP areas.

[meixi]

Abyss is moreless a battlefield, just with mobs placed in there to give players Exp. Originally, you weren't supposed to be able to party in the zone itself (if I remember correctly). The parties in there are bugs, so really it's meant for a solo place to level & pvp, which, is why rooms are so small & the map.

Grinding in the abyss isn't just about leveling, you've got the risks to it, and if you don't like to accept those risks, and know you may be pvp'd or killed. I would stick to the instance dungeons for your level which offer 300% more exp over normal zones.

True, it's became like a battlefield, but that's the purpose of these zones all together. If the party in the zone isn't a bug & is meant to be available in there, then it's meant for a party Battlefield PVP over leveling/grinding. Most people take these area's as "strictly a place to level." Granted, I understand the frustrations, because i've been in the abyss and seen all of this unfold before, and people cuss & get mad. It's the purpose, and life. So it's got some consequences... Even a non CS user can get +9 equipments (if you save the money up accordingly) along with godly gears.

You don't need charms, or extenders to be able to PVP in the zones efficiently. I would always wear weak gear in these zones at my level, which were +9 (and yes i'm an avid CS user) I never activated charms, or any extenders and was fine tanking & every other thing. (I was also a mage.)

The abyss is also let me state this "level according PVP" over Free Battle Zones which allow 1-89. This was done to insure players could have equal PVP battles, and at the same time maybe grab some exp. Way back when the zones first came out they weren't crowded because people didn't realize how good the zones were. Now that people realize, they're fighting for the spots/areas, and realizing "oh it's pvp.. stop killing me its my spot."

Well, this concludes my big wall of text. I honestly, think the way the abyss is now is okay. I'm used to it but others might get mad at my opinion and differences, but hey, we all have our opinions.

May

[wrecksalot]

[QUOTE=EchoSound;1252099]Sure, I may have been griping in the header that abyss shouldn't be pvp anymore and that was childish. I admit that... but the content is what really matters here. QUOTE]

Childish? EchoSound, not at all. This is what forums are for to express an opinion or vent and you were doing nothing wrong. I'm glad the subject has been brought to life, it allows myself to see how others feel and it also let me know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

After 46 years in this world, I can tell you that no matter what we do, there will "always" be someone who finds it funny to ruin your day.

examp: My Wife was in Marlone's Cave trying to bump over her 99% as a lvl 24. Someone came up and asked her to party. When she "nicely" said no think you that she was about done, the person mobbed all the baddies in the cave and tried to kill her with them. This is a non-PVP area. The person found it funny.

You did fine and this was not childish. Keep up the good postings.

[wrecksalot]

[QUOTE=frickity;1252130]But the only "change" you all are referring to is what people sayQUOTE]

Ok, here's a real change idea. I don't know if it could even be completed because it would take some programing on the part of OnSoft.

What if when you entered the Abyss, you entered it like you do the lvl 20 Shadow Quest or maybe the KQ. You could go by yourself or with a team and you would be the only one's in that area. No one else could enter. This would allow you to grind all you want without anyone else bothering you or you could do it as a team.

This past Sunday night I happen to be up late because I was going to be off on Monday. I went into the Abyss to see if I could grab some DIM items without getting killed. There was no one in there. It was great. I stayed for a good hour and had a lot of fun. Probably some of the best fun I had in Fiesta all weekend.

My boss always says please provide a solution without getting into blame. So here you go, What do you think?

[animeswimmerfan]

wow after reading 12 pages ( sorry i partly got sick of reading on page 10,11,12)

again shouldn't a pvp be a good fight not and crappy fighter with lack of any greens vs. a mage with a +9 ><

shouldn't it be like 2-handed sword vs. a swordshield user
that why theres a reason and a good way to test your build

as for my experience my cleric always got owned XD i rarely used scrolls so i'd just take it and move on

oh on my alt account im going to get all for classes to about 35 in the 20-29 abyss i hope. I'll be using this to try and get back and the "jerks" that repeatly spawn kill or kill people fighting mobs

[jjhubby]

The people who kill other people who are in a house are gutless cowards and you know who you are.

[Calus767]

Ok, i'm sure its been said before and people prolly aren't going to bother to read this so ima try making myself loud and clear XD

Abyss is not a normal grinding place! the purpose of Abyss is "grind here at your own risk" If you dont like being interrupted attacked, or killed while grinding, then don't come to abyss! Now some people are going to think "Thats not fair because its more exp so the people who do take the chance to grind there have an advantage!" and, thats the whole point!! its made be careless killing, its NOT a place you go do mindless repetitive grinding! when in abyss you need to be aware and if someone stronger forcefully takes your spot, find a new one.. its like survival of the fittest.
Instead of people skipping over what im saying and continue complaining about the same things without even reading what I said.. now, im going to say it again. but loudly XD im not yelling, just trying to get your attention. WHEN SOMEONE KILLS OR TRAINS YOU FOR A STUPID OR MEAN REASON, THATS A PROBLEM WITH THEM, NOT ABYSS.
lol I sound so angry =X

anyway, lastly, I would like to explain what abyss was made for and how outspark tweaked it. abyss was originally made so you cant see the name of other people, they come up as ??? like the mobs made after our classes. you are not allowed to party or talk either.
Now, problem is outspark has made partying and being able to see names and talk (and I prefer it this way) problem is people take killing eachother to personaly

If people kill you and waste your scrolls, thats the price you pay in abyss.

If people kill you and a monster finishes you off causing you to loose exp, thats the price you pay in abyss.

If people have +9s and you have +0s and dont want to try, then run. thatys the price you pay in abyss.

If people forcefully take your spot, thats the price you pay in abyss.

BUT THATS THE FUN OF IT!!! XD these are the things that make it better than mindless repetitive grinding. more interesting. more emotions like anger and the feeling of victory when successfully defending your spot or save someone who is out numbered. the feeling of running away from someone stronger than you and making it out alive is even fun to some, this is what you should expect when going to abyss. thats the fun of abyss ^^

I FORGOT TO MENTION! Teaming is the key to PvP, people who are outnumbered and complain that its not fair are just complaining and making excuses of why they loose. "THERE WAS 5 OF THEM AND 1 OF ME! THEY STOLE MY SPOT AND ITS UNFAIR BECAUSE I WAS OUTNUMBERED AND STOOD NO CHANCE!" yeahhh... well it makes sense that its more likely they would win if they had more people than you.. if you had more people them then, you would have the better chances too.. your point? its not nice? -.- then lighten up or dont go to abyss

[EchoSound]

I never dreamed, even yesterday when I was shocked to see this thread make 11+ pages, that it would reach this type of controversy. Now, with that said...

Everyone knows why Abyss is PVP by now. More than one person has stated it's original purpose, but that doesn't exactly matter anymore, now does it? Look at how the system has evolved. 100% of the community uses abyss to level. Even those twits who go in soully to ruin your day. They grind on the monsters given to be a distraction, as well as try to kill the map's population. That point's clearly made by several users who've replied to this thread.

So instead of arguing the original point of a system that's evolved, argue how to fix the players who make the environment a negative place for others.

[jasedarkblood]

i dont like the PvP in abyss too. But its that way so... dont complain.

[Lety23]

Hmmm, my thoughts on this:

you know when you right click on a character
a little list pops up right?
Why not add to that list "PvP"
They could choose to accept or not
And only those two players would be involved (this way, there's no need to involved
your whole guild into your argument with someone else), Kinda like PvP on the go

[animeswimmerfan]

kinda repeating myself
maybe the abyss is lacking "honourable" people
if you wish to challenge for a room wait until the mob is gone
this just seem logical to me


Ok, i'm sure its been said before and people prolly aren't going to bother to read this so ima try making myself loud and clear XD

Abyss is not a normal grinding place! the purpose of Abyss is "grind here at your own risk" If you dont like being interrupted attacked, or killed while grinding, then don't come to abyss! Now some people are going to think "Thats not fair because its more exp so the people who do take the chance to grind there have an advantage!" and, thats the whole point!! its made be careless killing, its NOT a place you go do mindless repetitive grinding! when in abyss you need to be aware and if someone stronger forcefully takes your spot, find a new one.. its like survival of the fittest.
Instead of people skipping over what im saying and continue complaining about the same things without even reading what I said.. now, im going to say it again. but loudly XD im not yelling, just trying to get your attention. WHEN SOMEONE KILLS OR TRAINS YOU FOR A STUPID OR MEAN REASON, THATS A PROBLEM WITH THEM, NOT ABYSS.
lol I sound so angry =X

anyway, lastly, I would like to explain what abyss was made for and how outspark tweaked it. abyss was originally made so you cant see the name of other people, they come up as ??? like the mobs made after our classes. you are not allowed to party or talk either.
Now, problem is outspark has made partying and being able to see names and talk (and I prefer it this way) problem is people take killing eachother to personaly

If people kill you and waste your scrolls, thats the price you pay in abyss.

If people kill you and a monster finishes you off causing you to loose exp, thats the price you pay in abyss.

If people have +9s and you have +0s and dont want to try, then run. thatys the price you pay in abyss.

If people forcefully take your spot, thats the price you pay in abyss.

BUT THATS THE FUN OF IT!!! XD these are the things that make it better than mindless repetitive grinding. more interesting. more emotions like anger and the feeling of victory when successfully defending your spot or save someone who is out numbered. the feeling of running away from someone stronger than you and making it out alive is even fun to some, this is what you should expect when going to abyss. thats the fun of abyss ^^

I FORGOT TO MENTION! Teaming is the key to PvP, people who are outnumbered and complain that its not fair are just complaining and making excuses of why they loose. "THERE WAS 5 OF THEM AND 1 OF ME! THEY STOLE MY SPOT AND ITS UNFAIR BECAUSE I WAS OUTNUMBERED AND STOOD NO CHANCE!" yeahhh... well it makes sense that its more likely they would win if they had more people than you.. if you had more people them then, you would have the better chances too.. your point? its not nice? -.- then lighten up or dont go to abyss

[animeswimmerfan]

Lety23's idea is nice too ( double post sorry lmao)

[Calus767]

I never dreamed, even yesterday when I was shocked to see this thread make 11+ pages, that it would reach this type of controversy. Now, with that said...

Everyone knows why Abyss is PVP by now. More than one person has stated it's original purpose, but that doesn't exactly matter anymore, now does it? Look at how the system has evolved. 100% of the community uses abyss to level. Even those twits who go in soully to ruin your day. They grind on the monsters given to be a distraction, as well as try to kill the map's population. That point's clearly made by several users who've replied to this thread.

So instead of arguing the original point of a system that's evolved, argue how to fix the players who make the environment a negative place for others.

thats the point of abyss though, dealing with those dumbasses. if abyss was a place were PvP needs to be agreed on by both players or no PvP at all, nobody would go anywere else to LV besides when doing quests.
You want abyss because its easy to AoE with good drops and high exp, thats the reason why it has to be a chaotic place though. The chaos balances it out.

Yeah, there are idiots down there, ive seen my fair share. but if your going to complain, complain about them, not abyss.
picking pointless fights is importaint though, if lets say the idiots in PvP dont use it anymore (as impossible as this is) people should still fight over a spot or just randomly but NOT when people are already fighting monsters or AFK or anything.


Abyss needs its chaos it keep it in balance and to some people, its fun chaotic. If its not to you, then don't go there expecting it to be same and calm

[Tamlinari]

I have to agree with Poisoned on this one.
Keep the Abyss as it is, completely lawless.
I don't mind it anymore since I use a Blessing of Teva to protect my EXP from the degenerate idiots who kill with mobs, which incidentally is the most popular way to drive other players out of an area in the Abyss.
I just laugh at them now and re-spawn and go right back to what I was doing before.
It makes them so frustrated. LOL
Lots of fun ^^

[cloudjames]

Hmmm, my thoughts on this:

you know when you right click on a character
a little list pops up right?
Why not add to that list "PvP"
They could choose to accept or not
And only those two players would be involved (this way, there's no need to involved
your whole guild into your argument with someone else), Kinda like PvP on the go


Well it seems to be a good idea but think about it, isn't it slightly similar as making abyss non-pvp. If I am just there to grind for the EXP and drops, you right click me, and pvp, I can chose to reject isn't it? Now, I believe posioned have mentioned that the purpose of abyss, is like a challenge. yea, great drops, good enough EXP, however, you get the risk of getting pvped with someone.

My point of view is, like what I have said on my previous post, some of the group of people in the community needs to learn to be courteous and to give and take. If you are just there to grind, then find a room that no one else is there, to avoid conflicts. If someone else is grinding at your spot when you are already there first (yes I do know, no spot claiming.) and you don't really want to share the room (due to the lack of mobs, this I understand), then ask nicely. Doesn't hurt to be nice isn't it? I believe those big rooms in 6x abyss can be shared among 2 parties.

Besides, from the few post above me I think, someone already mentioned. almost 100% of the people goes there for drops and EXP. No one really go there for pvping. its just waste of time.

And another thing is, having a group of good higher level friends helps too. If you get teamed while mobbing on solo (either for the room or whatever), that's when you ask for your friends for help. Whether or not you win that group of party is not the point. The thing is, they are most likely not able to grind in peace at all. As long as you know you aren't being rude. I am not suggesting this to bring a group of friends and form a party to kill people in abyss and yay, gain this room from this party. NO. That's rude. Although yes, it's not against the ToS and it's abyss but, bringing a party down and killing for the room while another one/party that are grinding is totally rude. Respect others, and others will learn to respect you. I am suggesting this as a self-defense method. I know this seems to be like a revenge method, but you can't, you know, make yourself look weak in front of them. Next time when you grind in abyss, they are gonna think "hey, it's that dude again, haha, he is always alone, let's kill him again and get this room for ourselves" Taking a little revenge on them isn't wrong because they are the one disturbing you in the first place when you grind. And since they can't grind in peace, next time when they see you in a room first, they will think twice. Because in pvping, you are just wasting the scroll buff time and stones and pots. (Unless the purpose of the group of party, is just there to massarce everyone. >.>) If you are not gonna take a little revenge, it will happen to you again. I know because I been through it a few times.

Lastly, I don't think there is any solution to this problem, who's gonna change that small group of irritating people among the community to learn to be nice and courteous? A Gaming-Social Moral Community Leader? LOL. I think the only way is to learn to defend yourself, and of course, if you don't like this behavior in abyss, don't do it on others.

~Have Fun All~

[LonetheWolf]

I dunno about some of you but some actually use it specifically to settle out disputes. On epith me and my mate would offer anyone that ksed us in the fields to get to the abyss and duke it out (most ran off and didn't accept the invitation). We used the Abyss and not the fbz so we didn't have to deal with the person bringing their high lvl friends, if they wanted to do that they could just declare war onus, and one did. Besides which using your 'high lv main' or higher lvl friends to hide behind is rather cowardly and pathetic. The funny this is that one did war us and got pwned in eldy and logged out to hide his wounded ego; he had gotten on his caped character and was whooped by us -10+lvls below him- that one was epic fun >:3. Anyways back on topic:most of the people we fought in the abyss to settle arguments from other fields we ended up having very civil interactions with any time we encountered after that, odd huh?
Some might say this scenario is like waring for revenge but I'd like to point out that waring for revenge the guild warred upon cannot refuse the war just hide or leave the guild during the war. Our invitations to the abyss were not forced on our foes, they had the option to never go, or go in and leave, etc.

[matty19]

Just be happy that all maps are not PvP like in some other games. I play another game where in certain maps its strictly PvP but you collect quest there so basically its open season kill or be killed just deal with it or GTFO

[Lety23]

Technically I don't have anything against the abys
And since i haven't been able to play Fiesta for a while now, I don't know if
anything has changed but I always remember it being fine as it was
the occasional party coming and ruining everything but it would still be fine
afterwards

So my idea was just an idea
But truly, I don't see a reason to change it

[wolfdance]

People would try to claim rooms in 70 abyss which there are only 4 and only 2 decent ones. So when they attack me cause I try to grind same room I used to just kill them and earn the room. EARN it OWN it. Can't handle it try another room or map til you can take it back. :)