PvP - a little debate.

[catry]

So, since open PvP came out I'm sure everyone who's gone there has seen it at least once: someone gets killed too many times or someone goes on a KoS spree and feelings get hurt, arguments get started, people get banned, etc.

Now from what I've seen a LOT of times what would be considered blatant disrespect elsewhere (e.g. ignoring another player when they ask you to stop killing them, rezkilling, repeatedly calling other players childish or worse, etc.) are "justified" in PvP because "it's PvP."

So here's the debate: Is "it's PvP" really a justifiable reason for basically being a jerk towards others in PvP? Does it give players a right to exercise a superiority complex or turn on friends because "it's just PvP, it's just a game" ? Remember that in PvP, you're no longer taking on faceless mobs spawned by the server...you're taking on other human beings who have feelings and different views than you. Does PvP give someone the right to disregard others? Post your arguments for/against!

EDIT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T READ OR ARE MISSING THE POINT: I'm not talking about getting killed in PvP. THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND IT. I COULDN'T CARE LESS IF I GET KILLED SINCE I ALREADY HAVE 3 TIMES AS MANY LOSSES AS I HAVE WINS. What this debate is about is whether or not PvP gives you the right to be an utter jerk towards someone.

In fact, I'll even reiterate the point of this thread a few times:

Is "it's PvP" really a justifiable reason for basically being a jerk towards others in PvP?

[VampireMelody]

PvP does not give anyone the right to bash others or disrespect anyone else.
I agree with what you said. Mobs don't have any feelings what so ever, but humans who go into pvp do.
So what "if its just a game" *speaking to the people who disrespect others* if someone did it to you, you would probably go on a rampage about how mean they are or something like that.
So no matter if its in a map, in town or in the pvp arena, respect should always be shown to everyone.

~VM

[blade-jin]

Dude. carebears should not go to the pvp arena if they dont wont to get Kos. really sots would be good if they made it free for all .. as in kos anywhere then there will be guild wars all over the place and overall that would make the game fun. anyways pvp is always good in a way

[PayCarebear]

Well, I haven't spent too much time in PvP because I'd rather lvl and I'd only go there if a friend is there or something. And I've only experienced "ignoring another player when they ask you to stop killing them" in a duel (which was pretty strange o.O), soooo...I may not be the best judge. But, honestly, I think it reaches a point where the player pretty much crosses the line and "IT'S PVP" doesn't cut it. Sometimes, it does, like when you kill someone once (not over and over) and they freak out and whatnot. I think that's perfectly fair. Or, when someone is repeatedly killing someone like 10 or more lvls lower than them over and over and over and you kill them. That's fine, too. But killing someone over and over, rezkilling them, calling them names, etc is NOT fair and you can't say "It's PVP lol, get over it" to them. There should be some sort of rules for Free PvP and you should be able to report them if they do keep doing something like you mentioned. I don't know, HAS someone reported someone for rezkilling or killing them multiple times? I think it should be done~ It would definitely help PvP.

Anyways, great post. <3

[PayCarebear]

Dude. carebears should not go to the pvp arena if they dont wont to get Kos. really sots would be good if they made it free for all .. as in kos anywhere then there will be guild wars all over the place and overall that would make the game fun. anyways pvp is always good in a way

Uhhh... well, since that would lead to constant guild wars and player bashing, I don't think that sounds very fun. And, I sort of agree, somewhat, that if you're going to freak out over getting killed ONCE, that you probably shouldn't be in PvP but if someone is killing you over and over, rezkilling you, and ignoring you asking them to stop, that its perfectly fine for you to be a 'carebear'. Dx

[comp4ssion]

Blatant disrespect is blatant disrespect no matter where it happens. A few cases in point:

Rezkilling: Totally scummy, and much worse for the "losing" character's ego than a fair loss in a one-on-one duel.
Killing sprees: There's a little bit of wiggle room on this, but for the most part, a killing spree that interrupts a fair duel or targets a player waiting for their opponent, or a player hanging out to revive the defeated, or other similar cases, is very rude and should be treated as such. And since you don't know whether or not your target falls under one of those categories, it would be very difficult to justify any killing sprees upon which you embark.
Turning on your friends: Would you kick the snot out of your best friend in real life just because you're in a boxing ring if they didn't want to fight you? Keep the answer to yourself, but think about it.
Showing off: No matter how high level you are or how awesome your gear is, you're not going to impress someone by whupping them repeatedly. If you want to impress someone much weaker than you, have them tag along in a high level map as you beat mindless, insentient mobs that are way over their heads senseless.

PvP is a place to test your skills against other players, not a place to exert your pent-up aggression or repeatedly blast unwilling newbies to kingdom come. It can even be stretched a little bit to say that PvP is a place to resolve heated in-game quarrels...but even then, it'll still be in the form of a duel that doesn't involve rezkilling, unjustified killing sprees, or traitorous acts of violence on an unwilling friend. If you go to PvP for the purpose of engaging in any of these three things, just leave. We don't want you there.

That's it for now.

[Arkova]

Pvp is an environment where people are free to act as they wish. It is particularly unique here, as there are certain standards that are immediately noticeable when you enter pvp. The way you are treated in the arena is primarily dependent on your relation with others, reputation inside and outside the arena, and of coarse..your level.

At the moment, there is no obligation really for others to act a certain way, or to even respect other players. It is an environment where anger, frustration, and disrespect is carried into whether it is looked down upon or not..

The fact is tho, that pvp is considerably different from most other games in that it is not entirely about killing each other. I personally don't go enter arena with goals in mind like earning points and tearing other people apart. I go in the arena to have fun..take a break from grinding..the majority seems to share this veiw.
It is only when an individual or small group becomes bored and decides to satisfy themselves that problems really arise (kill some1, repeatedly attack people, etc..cause conflict in some way or another).

Should acceptable standards of behavior in the arena be rethought? would it really be possible to change these standards?

zzzz

[thrakx]

these and other problems are why I dont even go near the arena

[comp4ssion]

At the moment, there is no obligation really for others to act a certain way, or to even respect other players. It is an environment where anger, frustration, and disrespect is carried into whether it is looked down upon or not..

There's no obligation ANYWHERE for ANYONE to respect ANYTHING. And that's the problem. People, kindness and respect tend to beget kindness and respect. Your level, how long you've been playing, your age, your PvP record, or how many overpriced Xens you're selling or buying DON'T MATTER. Show some respect, you'll get some back. This goes so much farther than the arena and is so pervasive and pandemic a problem that it will require the cooperation of all players everywhere to fix it.

Long story short: if you want to be a jerk, go do it in real life. I'm a jerk in real life sometimes, everyone is every now and then. But what's the point of deteriorating a game environment with your lack of respect? What does that accomplish? Nothing....

[BloodLimit]

PVP is a place to leave your anger on, no matter what. You guys shouldn't expect to have a happy community on the whole game. It's simple if you don't like stepping in there then don't go near it. Over all, you wont get respect in there no matter how much cookies you offer them so don't expect the game to be "perfect".

[kazuya-str]

PvP doesn't HAVE to be a place to relieve your anger and stress from.
Easy going grinding can substitute for that problem. =/
It already appears PvP is causing a lot of issues and arguments already.
The game doesn't have to be perfect, just a little change in respect and attitude between different people o.0 I don't mind getting killed in PvP every so often but overkill is... Blah.
PvP does unfortunantly have something to do with reputation, your actions, and unfortuantly yes... level.
A Lvl 100 probably has a more decent chance of sitting in the middle of the arena and go afk then a Lvl 2x player.

This is just my opinion anyway.

[comp4ssion]

I'm leaving this debate. Catry, according to the people who have responded to me (but don't even seem to know where to even begin to quote me), apparently it IS justified because "it's PvP." Never mind the absence of even a shred of rhetoric in counterpoint to what I've said, or the obvious fact that no one seems to comprehend the point of my posts above despite the clarity of their contents. Apparently I'm just supposed to keep my mouth shut and follow everybody around PvP buffing, healing, and giving them cookies. But just for you, BloodLimit, I'll make a batch with Ex-Lax in them.

[raemrazr]

PvP doesn't HAVE to be a place to relieve your anger and stress from.
Easy going grinding can substitute for that problem. =/



It may not have to be, but it certainly helps. It just isn't quite the same to rage on server generated mobs as it is to kill players.

[BloodLimit]

PvP doesn't HAVE to be a place to relieve your anger and stress from.
Easy going grinding can substitute for that problem. =/
It already appears PvP is causing a lot of issues and arguments already.
The game doesn't have to be perfect, just a little change in respect and attitude between different people o.0 I don't mind getting killed in PvP every so often but overkill is... Blah.
PvP does unfortunantly have something to do with reputation, your actions, and unfortuantly yes... level.
A Lvl 100 probably has a more decent chance of sitting in the middle of the arena and go afk then a Lvl 2x player.

This is just my opinion anyway.

Yes, it doesn't have to but it is anyway. Compare it to the real life, it all depends on the person, not the laws the same people hope to follow.

I'm leaving this debate. Catry, according to the people who have responded to me (but don't even seem to know where to even begin to quote me), apparently it IS justified because "it's PvP." Never mind the absence of even a shred of rhetoric in counterpoint to what I've said, or the obvious fact that no one seems to comprehend the point of my posts above despite the clarity of their contents. Apparently I'm just supposed to keep my mouth shut and follow everybody around PvP buffing, healing, and giving them cookies. But just for you, BloodLimit, I'll make a batch with Ex-Lax in them.

Read what i wrote up there, you'll get it. And if your an Acolyte i doubt you'll have any fun in there in the first place especially with those people around you.

[comp4ssion]

Read what i wrote up there, you'll get it. And if your an Acolyte i doubt you'll have any fun in there in the first place especially with those people around you.

I have a BLAST in there every time a high 40s Neo or Squire is feeling lucky or arrogant and directs those sentiments at me. And trust me, I get what you said. Perhaps you should have read what Kit said in the first place...it's not about the viability of PvP or even the fight itself, it's the obnoxious and disrespectful behavior that needs to go.

[BloodLimit]

I have a BLAST in there every time a high 40s Neo or Squire is feeling lucky or arrogant and directs those sentiments at me. And trust me, I get what you said. Perhaps you should have read what Kit said in the first place...it's not about the viability of PvP or even the fight itself, it's the obnoxious and disrespectful behavior that needs to go.

Before i reply to a thread, i read the whole lot. I already explained that, no matter how nice you are you can't "make" people change.

[Daft_Brat]

My main thing isn't the killing, it's the insults that come with it. People seem to think that in PvP the T.O.S. about harassment don't apply. Calling other people names because they don't appreciate being rez killed over and over again is not something that belongs in PvP. Free for all applys to killing other players, not the way you treat them verbally.

[catry]

PVP is a place to leave your anger on, no matter what. You guys shouldn't expect to have a happy community on the whole game. It's simple if you don't like stepping in there then don't go near it. Over all, you wont get respect in there no matter how much cookies you offer them so don't expect the game to be "perfect".

That brings up a good point though...if PvP is meant to give people an outlet for their anger, why does it seem to be causing more of it?

I think this once again goes to complete disrespect of others' wishes. Different people have different agendas when going into PvP and different views on what it's for. Is it right to force an agenda onto them and ruin their desires and fun because someone wanted to vent?

My main thing isn't the killing, it's the insults that come with it. People seem to think that in PvP the T.O.S. about harassment don't apply. Calling other people names because they don't appreciate being rez killed over and over again is not something that belongs in PvP. Free for all applys to killing other players, not the way you treat them verbally.

YESH! Even with all the killing and whatnot, is the VERBAL abuse justified by "It's PVP"? Is "It's PVP" an excuse to not apologize or not explain, or flat out insult someone and treat them like they're inferior to you?

[BloodLimit]

@catry Take in mind that this game is for children, not many children have matured yet, so that can give you a little explanation at what are the limits a child to respect other players.

But above all even if your being too nice to them, you can't expect them to return the favor.

[Daft_Brat]

Age requirement for this game is 13+...kinda sad if you don't know manners by then.

[shellbullet101]

Some people deserve to be killed and revived over and over haha its pvp you dont lose exp or anything get over it >.> the person will eventually leave the arena at some point.

[kazuya-str]

Well... like I said. There are many alernatives to relieving stress and problems other than PvP. In a way, PvP is PvP where people go test their strength against other players. Not harass or over kill them and ignore their kindish requests to stop attacking them.

Another thought: Some people get angry when they kill an afk person. Going afk in the arena is like going afk in the middle of a difficult map. You can't expect to come back and find yourself alive. =/ In another way, the monsters don't have feelings or thoughts like, "Oh, I'll skip this person and attacking that one because this person's afk" so the person you attack in PvP is entirely up to you. They may go afk but you have two decisions: "Will I attack them because they appear to be afk" or "Will I just leave them alone and attack that bored person over there who looks fairly my level?".

That was my...off topicish thought. Well the main point is:
There are many alernatives to relieving stress and problems other than PvP. In a way, PvP is PvP where people go test their strength against other players. Not harass or over kill them and ignore their kindish requests to stop attacking them.

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Some people deserve to be killed and revived over and over haha its pvp you dont lose exp or anything get over it >.> the person will eventually leave the arena at some point.

Yes, but I'm sure you'd be pretty ticked off if someone rezed you and killed you over and over. You don't lose exp but your thoughts may change about other people and/or society and you also lose 800 kron everytime you enter o.0

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Pssst... I'm just barely over the age minimum to play this game o.0 So I hope you don't think I don't do my best to respect other players everyday.

Editx5: Fixed Errors.

[deoxys114]

I completely and utterly agree with Comp4ssion , Catry, Kazuya, and Daft. You both seem to take the words right out of my mouth.

Funny, I wish a certain archer that is similar to the name *edited by request* would see this thread. Maybe he might learn a few things from it.

[raemrazr]

lol Even though you're not using the exact name of the alleged player, and are using one that rhymes, I'd suggest you completely censor out the name.

Edit: Thanks for removing the name : D

[BloodLimit]

@catry Take in mind that this game is for children, not many children have matured yet, so that can give you a little explanation at what are the limits a child to respect other players.

But above all even if your being too nice to them, you can't expect them to return the favor.

Age requirement for this game is 13+...kinda sad if you don't know manners by then.

I believe that by the age of 13 they don't know what respect is yet and around 18 - 20 is when they start to learn what respect is. As for manners it all depends on how their childhood raised them.

[shellbullet101]

whats 800 krons lol

[kazuya-str]

whats 800 krons lol

Kron is the Currency in the game. ^^ What the money is called. =/
And if that's not what you meant, I believe it was 800 kron to enter the Arena.

[sedfvgt]

the game isnt perfect, it is after all open beta. however, PvP is to most ppl "a break from grininding". so respecting ea other's desicions(not figting) shud b respected.

spree killers are really not dat bad, there r always ppl in PvP who will kill any one on sight.......MOROENER XD (killed me couple x 4 no reason) n they just do it for fun, feelings shouldnt b hurt, howevers those jerks who kill noobs just to get wins shud get teamed on...ex= noBvL14 was killing my nooby aco wed morning, so TRX, Sl3yer, HOLY1, n several other chars protected me :) [thnx to those ppl]

dat is wat every one shud do, if a jerk shows up in PvP just team on them, they will just b annoyed n keep out

some unspoken rules of PvP are:
1. poke n ask if u want to fight
2. dont interfere in a duel
3.dont take poking or playing around seriously....... lik some ppl -.-
4. if a cleric rez u n hits u w/ oblivion or ghost steel, its ok, they wil heal u
5. if u dont wanna die alot.....make frends in PvP, bring lots of pots, n dont att othersd
6. AFK = wen i come bak 2 pc n im dead evry one will die!
7. dont b a jerk... ppl will kill u
8. just hv fun!

respect just means honoring wat is said by ppl n foloing wat is said, if someone says afk, then leave them alone till they get bak, simple as dat, if some nub decides to att the afk person, stun the noob XD

if 13 yr old kids who play this game dont kno wat respect is =.= they need to get slapped XD

[shellbullet101]

>< i know what kron is...im saying 800 kron is easily obtainable

[sedfvgt]

>< i know what kron is...im saying 800 kron is easily obtainable

noobs in the game are very reluctant to pay 800 Krons, after all they r noobs
they dont know how easy it is to get 800 Krons.

dat y noobs shud be protected in PvP specially acos, tehy r just there to pik up tips from older players, to get in the rythm of the game, klling them n calling them noobs wil just make them quit,

a bad thing cus more noobs = more xen in the economy
(a lot of noobs pik up xen n sell them)

to bloodlimit:
if ur just in PvP to kill ppl, u dont belong there. PvP is for having fun w/ others, dying is not fun...
n if u want to vent go hit a punching bag, i bet u wont kill another human being in real life just bc ur mad, so dont do it in the game

[foxmasterd]

"it's PvP"!
I could not say it any better myself,
It IS indeed PVP, So STOP whining about being KILLED.

If you wanna talk to your friends and chill out go ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE GAME.
Don't COMPLAIN about BEING KILLED IN PVP!

And of course, the inevitable Piling of 3rd class characters onto someone who attacks someone in their 'clique'

Again, STOP WHINING OR GET OUT OF PVP!

/If you don't want to DIE, then go to Brynhild Trisects.

[kazuya-str]

I could not say it any better myself,
It IS indeed PVP, So STOP whining about being KILLED.

If you wanna talk to your friends and chill out go ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE GAME.
Don't COMPLAIN about BEING KILLED IN PVP!

And of course, the inevitable Piling of 3rd class characters onto someone who attacks someone in their 'clique'

Again, STOP WHINING OR GET OUT OF PVP!

/If you don't want to DIE, then go to Brynhild Trisects.


I've seen reports of high leveled people getting killed in the Brynhild Trisects *cough* o.0

[sedfvgt]

fox no one is whining about getting killed, its the "verbal abuse" (qtd from prev posts).
this is after all a friendly game , y do u thnk they censor the chat?
it is the same in PvP, killing some one w/out announcing ur challenge is a bad thing

wen Hitler surprise att Poland, it rsulted in WW2...wen Japan att Pearl Harbor, US atom bombed JApan..
ppl dont lik getting attcked w/out any declaration.....it all goes bak to respect

[catry]

I could not say it any better myself,
It IS indeed PVP, So STOP whining about being KILLED.

If you wanna talk to your friends and chill out go ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE GAME.
Don't COMPLAIN about BEING KILLED IN PVP!

And of course, the inevitable Piling of 3rd class characters onto someone who attacks someone in their 'clique'

Again, STOP WHINING OR GET OUT OF PVP!

/If you don't want to DIE, then go to Brynhild Trisects.

First off, where am I whining about getting killed? In fact, where am I whining at all? I am presenting a debate and my opinions on that debate. I have been piled on plenty of times and I have 3 times as many losses as I have wins. So please do me a big favor:

ACTUALLY READ WHAT THE THREAD SAYS BEFORE YOU POST SOME DUMB FLAME COMMENTED THAT ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT. You are in no way being constructive or contributing to this thread, which I created to be a constructive debate on conduct in PvP. Kindly keep your useless, unintelligent flames out until you have some actual content to contribute, thank you very much.

[deoxys114]

For all those that think it's fine to insult and kill anything that moves, is this what happens when you get together?

Moron #1: ZOMG! AN AFK PERSON! LETS GO KILL HIM!
Moron #2: WOOT! *kills the afk person*
Moron #3: Heh, we so pwn. He didn't even fight back.
*Savior 1, 2, and 3 come in*
Savior #1: Dude ***?
Savior #2: Don't kill afk ppl.
Savior #3: Lets kill you *kills Moron 1, 2, and 3*
Moron #1: Dude ***!? Why did you kill me?
Moron #2: Seriously, you are way higher lvl. You shouldn't be killing us!
Moron #3: I'm going to go get my Warrior! *never comes back*

[sedfvgt]

First off, where am I whining about getting killed? In fact, where am I whining at all? I am presenting a debate and my opinions on that debate. I have been piled on plenty of times and I have 3 times as many losses as I have wins. So please do me a big favor:

ACTUALLY READ WHAT THE THREAD SAYS BEFORE YOU POST SOME DUMB FLAME COMMENTED THAT ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT. You are in no way being constructive or contributing to this thread, which I created to be a constructive debate on conduct in PvP. Kindly keep your useless, unintelligent flames out until you have some actual content to contribute, thank you very much.

lololol nice catry XD

[BloodLimit]

to bloodlimit:
if ur just in PvP to kill ppl, u dont belong there. PvP is for having fun w/ others, dying is not fun...
n if u want to vent go hit a punching bag, i bet u wont kill another human being in real life just bc ur mad, so dont do it in the game

Someone here needs a brain, read what i wrote and stop making yourself look bad.

[sedfvgt]

sry blood limit , some one mentioned something about venting thru PvP
i assumed it was u.... bc of ur forum name

really sry, i meant no offense

note: im not really good at debates, im a history guy, i do hav a brain -.-
im just not good at arguing, i find it pointless....ill just play them 1 on 1 na basketball court XD
just using this deabate for practice n bc i got mad from all the jerks posting " It's PvP!, get over it!"

really sry, hope u didnt get too mad

[notFire]

So, since open PvP came out I'm sure everyone who's gone there has seen it at least once: someone gets killed too many times or someone goes on a KoS spree and feelings get hurt, arguments get started, people get banned, etc.

Now from what I've seen a LOT of times what would be considered blatant disrespect elsewhere (e.g. ignoring another player when they ask you to stop killing them, rezkilling, repeatedly calling other players childish or worse, etc.) are "justified" in PvP because "it's PvP."

So here's the debate: Is "it's PvP" really a justifiable reason for basically being a jerk towards others in PvP? Does it give players a right to exercise a superiority complex or turn on friends because "it's just PvP, it's just a game" ? Remember that in PvP, you're no longer taking on faceless mobs spawned by the server...you're taking on other human beings who have feelings and different views than you. Does PvP give someone the right to disregard others? Post your arguments for/against!

*gets things back on track*

PVP is about fun. It's about testing one's skills against others, pitting the prowess of one player against another, seeing who has mastered their class to the farthest extent.

It is also about friendly competition. I have often been called an "Idealist" for believing that combat should be ruled by chivalry and respect, and this may be true, but this view has brought on respect for myself and my guildmates who share and exercise my ideas.

Everyone is going to be a jerk every now and then, its inevitable. I have had those days where my son has driven me crazy and I feel a little extra aggressive, but taking it out on people who are enjoying the game AS THEY SEE FIT, would be unfair and rude.

This is a game, and PVP is a part of the game, and in a game, PEOPLE MAY ENJOY IT AS THEY SEE FIT. And those who choose to enforce THEIR way of playing on others is nothing short of a show of disrespect and lack of thought for that player.

I have witnessed such things time and time again, and am appalled at how I have seen others socializing and occasionally fighting with their friends, only to see a higher level player come in and decimate them all. Claiming afterwards that "It's PVP!" (this being one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard, btw) And the LANGUAGE that accompanies that is usually nothing to be desired.

All I can say is, though there are tons of n00bkillers and people who Kill On Sight, there are also people like myself who stand for fairness and respect between players, and will ENFORCE it, even if it means taking a loss.

[kazuya-str]

For all those that think it's fine to insult and kill anything that moves, is this what happens when you get together?

Moron #1: ZOMG! AN AFK PERSON! LETS GO KILL HIM!
Moron #2: WOOT! *kills the afk person*
Moron #3: Heh, we so pwn. He didn't even fight back.
*Savior 1, 2, and 3 come in*
Savior #1: Dude ***?
Savior #2: Don't kill afk ppl.
Savior #3: Lets kill you *kills Moron 1, 2, and 3*
Moron #1: Dude ***!? Why did you kill me?
Moron #2: Seriously, you are way higher lvl. You shouldn't be killing us!
Moron #3: I'm going to go get my Warrior! *never comes back*

xD I just love when stuff like that happens. But it really......... for the afk guy =/ It doesn't make you the least bit superior killing a an afk person as mentioned in my post not so far above this one.

And don't kill the Lvl 2x people who only inflict 2 Damage on you D= They don't deserve to die! Dx I just Blindside and Poison Blow and that's it. ><
Then they usual run back to the stands. But don't kill them D=
Then they might not ever come to PvP in the future. =/

[sedfvgt]

For all those that think it's fine to insult and kill anything that moves, is this what happens when you get together?

Moron #1: ZOMG! AN AFK PERSON! LETS GO KILL HIM!
Moron #2: WOOT! *kills the afk person*
Moron #3: Heh, we so pwn. He didn't even fight back.
*Savior 1, 2, and 3 come in*
Savior #1: Dude ***?
Savior #2: Don't kill afk ppl.
Savior #3: Lets kill you *kills Moron 1, 2, and 3*
Moron #1: Dude ***!? Why did you kill me?
Moron #2: Seriously, you are way higher lvl. You shouldn't be killing us!
Moron #3: I'm going to go get my Warrior! *never comes back*

hahaha very funny deoxys i luv it wen this happens

morons always try to look good, i wonder how they evr liv w/ themselves XD

[TRXSTA]

And don't kill the Lvl 2x people who only inflict 2 Damage on you D= They don't deserve to die! Dx I just Blindside and Poison Blow and that's it. ><
Then they usual run back to the stands. But don't kill them D=
Then they might not ever come to PvP in the future. =/
Actually, the bolded is the most annoying thing ever. Well, second most annoying. Continually getting Amplification interrupted is #1.

Eh, most people take pvp too seriously. I'm not saying I go in there and slaughter those lower level than me over and over. I don't really go in there and do anything that would bother me if our positions were reversed, but some people need to leave pvp in pvp and not say every naughty word they know every time they die.

[bobalitos]

Dont you just love it when a certain 8x-9x person comes in there, kills your noob alt, gets killed by your friends' mains, and then complains that he got ganged?

YES ITS PVP BUT BEING A HIGH LEVEL DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT DESERVES THE FUN OF PVP.

If you can see that you are 10 lvls higher than a certain player, is it right to KoS?

[SyneX]

I rly wonder why ppl going to PvP when they dont want to get killed.
I wonder why they r whining when they get killed. Maybe they dont know the meaning of Player vs. Player.

I rly ask everyone: What do u lose if u get killed?
Respect? NO
Reputation? NO
So what?

In my opinion is Free PvP and Guilds splitting up the community in diferent ways.
I never seen so many hate ingame since the Guild system and Free PvP released.
B4 that all High lvls have been friendly and kind to newbies. Now, idk why, lower lvls get haten and same to the higher lvls. (I dont want to name users)

[justin_2006]

my opinion is basically that there should be lvl controls in the pvp... like they used to have... i dont think that anyone should complain for dying once or numerously in pvp(an exception to this is if someone much higher than u keeps killing u).... it IS afterall pvp, where ppl fight each other... its not very smart to go to a place where ppl go to kill other players and complain about being killed or asking them to stop.

but of course with the much higher lvls(and lower lvls i guess) being there in one place its not very fun... er rather its not much of a fight.... :/

[Kendrah]

I love PVP. It's fun to hang around with people. It's a nice change from grinding. I dun really enjoy the kill and do try to not kill ppl. This whole topic makes me feel bad about hitting random people with my n00b weapon and/ or my fist. XD

[TheDarkSenshi]

You know.... I've read this entire thread....as thoroughly as I could. PvP is a great topic to discuss. I feel there are limits but for the most part it is a place for people to gather and duel it out. Or it could be a place to hang out and chill, but technically...it's a war zone meant for players.

I myself do not like to be rez killed. It really ticks me off plus I'm a very nice person, given a chance, so in my opinion I don't deserve it. But, I do like a battle from time to time and I will die if I am meant to against another player.

As for any name calling, I disapprove of it. People have feelings. Plain and simple. You yourself have feelings right now as I type this. *You as in everyone >.>'* If you wana be mean and call people names, do it in your personal life and not towards others game related.

This game is here to have fun, to escape reality, to meet people around the globe, to be proud of a character you raised, and many more.

Unfortunately there will be people on this game who will have absolutely no regard for people's feelings or have any respect towards them simply becuz they think it's just a game. It's a part of reality most people would like to escape but it's nearly impossible to escape fully.

No matter what is discussed people will continue to do as they please. Now, if you are offended, been called a name or names, or even been rez killed, take screen shots and send them to a GM or a CL. It's still against TOS to do these things freely without a punishment to occur.

Also, do not get hostel with other people's opinions. If you want people to respect your post, you in turn must respect theirs. I am not directing this to anyone in particularly. Merely I have a somewhat of an optimistic look on life and opinions. For if there were no optimism, the people of this world would be even harder to understand.

I have shared my piece of thought. I am sorry if it strayed from the topic at hand.

Edit: Err... I seem to of been a little late with my response. *looks at new responses* I did take my time to write this so I have not yet read the new posts. Thx for reading. ^^

[shellbullet101]

There is nothing wrong with killing people off in pvp dont go there and expect not to be killed, when i go to pvp im ready to kill sorry if you go there to associate hold your conversations elsewhere there are plenty of alternatives to hang out other than pvp, whats the big deal you dont lose exp, and if you are pondering to pay 800 krons to be there..then you dont need to be there period .But i do find rev-killing a bit too much.To sum it up if i come to pvp and i feel like killing you or the whole arena im gonna do it because i feel like it lol have fun at pvp:)

[Brutus_]

when im at work , and since i cant really AOE , cause of the sudden AFKness , i hang out in the arena ...

reason to go there : have fun , poke , chat , play , and also duel ...

things that have happened to me : Rezkilled , gangbanged , harrased ( still am ) by peeps close to 100+

i go into arena with intention of pwning absolutly no one , but , i will respond when i see anyone doing the stuff i mentioned above to others ...

DUEL _ it would be great if they asked ... i may be afk , i may be without weapon ( poking ) , i may have no pots , or i just may not feel like dueling O.o Archers really should check this part with special attention ( not all of them of course ) because sometimes i get pwned by one , and im not even sure where the arrows are coming from ... and some peeps come at me and ask , " wanna duel ? " great i think , maybe hes the same lvl as i ... just to realize hes like 20 lvls above me ... guys , " dueling " people with over 20 lvls then u , is not a duel , its a massacre . end of story .


GangBang - just .. lousy .. i have done it to some peeps , sure i have , when they were 20 lvls above me , and wouldnt leave me the heck alone ... but it cant be justified to do so when the participants are same lvld ... its like , just leave people alone ... let them duel .

Rezkill - theres a certain Cleric that feels everyday how i feel about that ... he has done it to me twice , among other things . if someone sees me pwning a Cleric , there are 2 reasons , either he rezkilled me , or was healing someone i was dueling . that thingy of defending Clerics on PVP is all nice , but be sure what are the reasons of the person pwning him ...

and i think i covered the most annoying aspects of PVP ...

in the end , it boils down to respect for each other ... dont rezkill , dont gangbang , dont kill noobs , dont interfere duels when both sides agree to duel , and just CHILL .

i know it may be hard , cause a lot of things may be going on on that arena , but dont jump to conclusions ... be patient , if u feel some one is doing something wrong , try to find out whats going on ...

this a game , its for fun , that " release anger and frustration " thing i heard is just silly ... if u feel that way , go to sleep , go smoke a cigar ( if u old enough O.o ) , just dont dump it on people who have no fault whatsoever .

P.S. not sure if gangbang is a naughty word ... i apologise if it is , and i ask that someone edit it , or erase ...

[waffaddict]

Ok, I'm seeing that this debate is sorta splitting in two. Some people are responding about people complaining about getting killed, which this thread is not about. The only killing on topic that was complained about was rez killing, which is a weak unless its something that agreed to.
As the thread started out about discussing whether it was ok for players being jerks in pvp because its Pvp. If you're frustrated IRL, does it make sense to go in pvp and frustrate another player by harrassing them. I'm not saying don't go to pvp and duel/battle, but don't go to pvp and kill only lower lvls and afk.
If someone comes into PVP in KOS mode and kills a player who is already in a duel and that dueling player comes back and rez kills that KOS player, who is in the wrong?

This is what we've established so far.
1. There are no reasons to be a jerk in Sos, period.
2. Killing afk players is cheap. Say what you want its still cheap.
3. Killing dueling players is cheap.
4. Rez Killing is cheap
5. Taunting and harrasing a player you've killed is rude and childish.
6. Killing someone 10 or more lvls lower than you is cheap
7. Respecting fellow players is great

[comp4ssion]

This is what we've established so far.
1. There are no reasons to be a jerk in Sos, period.
2. Killing afk players is cheap. Say what you want its still cheap.
3. Killing dueling players is cheap.
4. Rez Killing is cheap
5. Taunting and harrasing a player you've killed is rude and childish.
6. Killing someone 10 or more lvls lower than you is cheap
7. Respecting fellow players is great

GOD...Finally, someone GETS it! No one's mad about being killed, or scared of being killed, or getting whiny about dying...getting killed and killing are part of what PvP's all about! The point is , DON'T BE A JERK ABOUT IT.

Thanks, Waffa, Enjoy the rep.

[Brutus_]

waffadict u saw me yesterday killin a lvl 3x aco ... i thought u were gona jump at me , but u just watched ... after i pwned her , i said it was for trying to rezkill me earlier , and i bet u understood my reasons ...

that my friends , is what we all should do ... stay calm O.o

[shellbullet101]

why go to pvp and go afk like...im going to go afk in the middle of the arena noones going to attack me...lmao get real theres really no such thing as being a jerk in pvp besides rez-killing..its pvp

[tankofinsanity]

SOTS pvp is extremely unbalanced and serves no purpose

first of all not all classes are the same, it is obvious scouts have an advantage in pvp, and there is no other class that can effectively balance that out

second of all everything depends on ur level and equipment too much, a monkey can beat the best game player in the world if the monkey is 20 lvl higher, has uber items, and chose a good class

third of all you cannot choose ur opponent, people disturb duel too much

if you really want to test ur skills as a gamer, I would suggest other games that I would not name here.

[comp4ssion]

waffadict u saw me yesterday killin a lvl 3x aco ... i thought u were gona jump at me , but u just watched ... after i pwned her , i said it was for trying to rezkill me earlier , and i bet u understood my reasons ...

that my friends , is what we all should do ... stay calm O.o

Brutus, Acos can't res until 46+...Hopefully this was a nominal error and not an act of malice....o_o; Do realize, of course, that I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions...

[Brutus_]

some people actually do have a RL besides SOS ... im at work , i may go AFK anytime .. not saying its lame to kill someone who is afk , cause no one can guess who is and who isnt ... not asking for a duel and wait for an answer is O.o

Compassion , lol 30x , 40x 50x is more or less the same for me ... low lvl aco then , is what i meant lol

[tankofinsanity]

waffadict u saw me yesterday killin ...

u should know better than anyone acos dont get rez until lvl 46 :\

I suggest u delete ur post before u get flamed.

[Brutus_]

i dun care bout flaming ... whatever ... made a mistake . shoot me lmao

i already explained above ... 30x to 50x is more or less the same ... low lvl is what i meant ...

[catry]

Ok, I'm seeing that this debate is sorta splitting in two. Some people are responding about people complaining about getting killed, which this thread is not about. The only killing on topic that was complained about was rez killing, which is a weak unless its something that agreed to.
As the thread started out about discussing whether it was ok for players being jerks in pvp because its Pvp. If you're frustrated IRL, does it make sense to go in pvp and frustrate another player by harrassing them. I'm not saying don't go to pvp and duel/battle, but don't go to pvp and kill only lower lvls and afk.
If someone comes into PVP in KOS mode and kills a player who is already in a duel and that dueling player comes back and rez kills that KOS player, who is in the wrong?

This is what we've established so far.
1. There are no reasons to be a jerk in Sos, period.
2. Killing afk players is cheap. Say what you want its still cheap.
3. Killing dueling players is cheap.
4. Rez Killing is cheap
5. Taunting and harrasing a player you've killed is rude and childish.
6. Killing someone 10 or more lvls lower than you is cheap
7. Respecting fellow players is great

Kudos to you for actually reading and comprehending the point of this thread. Nicely said! :D

[MetallicaX]

I personally don't mind being killed in PvP, except if:
1. I'm in the middle of a fair, formal duel with a friend.
2. I'm testing damage on a friend, or vice versa, and when one of us is weak from the test hit, some random high level comes in and 1-shot kills.
3. I'm hanging out with a friend, out of the way, on an alt, and randomly get killed by some assasin or archer that feels the need to pick on the lower level.

Honestly, I know PvP is a free-for-all environment. But it should be limited to killing those near your level. I've noticed all the "bullies" of PvP are either 30+ levels higher then the people they're attacking, or they have more Sparkcash items then their computer is worth. Saying you KoS "because it's PvP" is not justified; there's a difference between killing others through casual duels, and deliberately killing every lower-level for a cheap way of getting off. People who use the excuse "because it's PvP", I see this phrase as "I like to disrespect everyone when the opportunity arises."

Yes, I did just reiterate 3-4 different posts in this thread. I just wanted to give my opinion. =P

[shellbullet101]

Scouts have advantage? Lmao put em in the arena with me and see if they can win without sc =P

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Seriously, this thread have becoming a flame war now. Better stop with the flamming.

Ok back on the topic:

If you go on PvP(mainly on the free PvP), it's at your own risk, because at any moment, you could get killed by anyone at your level or higher than you.

Surely it's bad to group on someone and killing him or her and revive him or her again and repeat the same thing again, again and again...until everyone get bored.

Here my points to this:

-If you don't like PvP, don't waste your time to go there at all if you know that you could get killed at any moment by anyone.

-Someone that goes on PvP and goes AFK in the arena and not on the sz, i said the one that was afk is responsible of his character if someone got you killed or you got killed by someone while you are AFK, not the one that got you killed or kill you.

*On the next point,i will not mention the name of the one that was banned for three days because of what he does on PvP, but let's put this on table.*

-You remember that someone got banned for three days for harrasing comments against someone because the someone was pissed off by someone that was already pissed at him because he got killed by the someone in question on PvP. I said this, if someone use harrasing comments or he try to get you banned and start a war against you: Screenshots ready->take them
->report him with the Screenshots->Problem solved.

-PvP was supposed to be fun and what happen now: it's a war against anyone that want to own the arena by themself. I will said this:this can be reportable if someone take screenshots and see that happen many times with the same persons that want to own the arena for themself. You will said this point is foolish but that what i see on the thread and that must happen on the PvP Arena.

-There three PvP you can go:
-Guild PvP:If you have a guild and want to fight or doing a war against a another guild, that the place to do that.

-Party PvP: if you want to team up and fight against a another party, this is the place to go.

-Free PvP:That must be supposed to be anyone against anyone on this PvP, but i think some (i said some, not everyone) abuse of the Free PvP, party togheter while that was supposed to be on the Party PvP that must do, not there, or someone that goes there to prove that e or she was superior than anyone and invincible.

I said this: everyone has a weakness and can die anytime, anywhere they go(cities:depending of the events that occuring).

Well, to conclude my points, i will said one last thing: PvP is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, not a owner or be the king of the PvP Arena.

Well, that my opinion for this thread.

[catry]

It seems the majority of people are missing the point of this thread, whether by design because they feel like fueling the flames, or because they just fail at reading comprehension.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT KILLING OR BEING KILLED IN PVP.

In fact, I'll go ahead and quote, bold, italize, giganticize, and underline the point!

Is "it's PvP" really a justifiable reason for basically being a jerk towards others in PvP?

I'll even include the examples of being a jerk that I posted in my original post:
- RezKilling
- Taunting and harassing people you kill
- Targeting someone who has explicitly requested (politely) that you do not...repeatedly, just because they asked you not to.
- Verbally abusing someone from the safety of the SZ
- Verbally abusing someone from the safety of your guild
- Verbally abusing someone from the safety of your party
- Verbally abusing someone from the safety of their level

I can add more if it's still unclear.

And for all of you trying to deliberately start off a flamewar or fan flames, kindly get out of this thread. I made this to be a civilized debate and if you cannot show that you are civilized then I really pity you.

[kazuya-str]

Note: No flaming should be involved in this thread. It's called "debate" for a reason. o.0
And if we're all expressing our opinions too much that it seems like we're flaming then we're sorry I suppose.

Flaming: "Your idea sucks and you should give up your idea because mine's better."
Not Flaming: "I support this idea and I'm trying to get my point across."

No offense intended. And please note this thread is NOT about killing or being killed in PvP. Thank You ^^

[TRXSTA]

No, it isn't. But "jerk" can be subjective.

[shellbullet101]

A debate is an argument cant we express our opinions?

[MetallicaX]

@catry: If you were referring to my post... I did cover my opinion of the phrase "it's pvp"... O.o;

Edit: Saying you KoS "because it's PvP" is not justified; there's a difference between killing others through casual duels, and deliberately killing every lower-level for a cheap way of getting off. People who use the excuse "because it's PvP", I see this phrase as "I like to disrespect everyone when the opportunity arises."

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

My post didn't contain any flamming, i just said to stop flamming this thread. I completly forgot to anwser the question about this thread and the anwser is no it's not justifying that you acting like a jerk on PvP, some of my points said the reason i say no.

Check some of my points on the precedent post i did, and even if i did mention killing, that can be a another example than killing someone(some points you mention are principally the reason i say no) i should have give on my precedent post.

I know you don't mean killing or not be killed on pvp, it's just i forgot to answer the question. Sorry if i forgot!

[sedfvgt]

to shell:

if ur a close combat char u would not last against a scout

a debate is an argument wer u not only present ur opinion but also present examples and facts

bak to topic

sure there are jerks in PvP, and "it's PvP"is not a justified reason @ all 4 killing (some1 unless its a duel) ,
its lik a temporary insanity def irl,
its not a question of right or wrong , its a question of wat ur values r
n some players just dont hav good values... they dont respect others

However, there are jerks everywer, especially in rpg games
but u hav to forgiv them, or forget about them,they r probably morons....
n some fools just has to be ignored..... or killed XD (so team on them!)

lik bobalitos, he sort of rez killed me, wenever some1 rezurects m he comes w/ a different char n kills me.......bc i didnt wash the dishes =.=

[sedfvgt]

n to evryone pissed @ posts about killing or whining:

morons just assume threads lik this are whines,
tehy hav low IQ (no offense) n u just hav to ignore them

[Sineat]

nah i dont think its the IQ mines only 90 and im understanding what catry is trying to get at.

[sedfvgt]

nah i dont think its the IQ mines only 90 and im understanding what catry is trying to get at.

lol i kno 75 is wat is needed for comprehension, i meant no offense if ur pissed
but wat i meant was that some players are just .. dumb, they dont use their brains b4 saying somthing, i do it sumtimes. but morons do it all the time

[Nights_Fang]

Catry is right. PvP is not an excuse to be a jerk. You go there to deal with some frustration, do it on someone your own level, in a fair duel. Believe me it relieves stress much more better than KoS.

KoS =/= I'm cool.

Rez-killing: It depends on the situation. (Say like if someone had targeted this specific aco before, or one of it's alts... then it's something like payback.)

Killing an afk player: This is something of a double edged sword. While it is common courtesy not to kill someone who's afk, it's also common sense not to afk in the middle of the PvP field.

Going with a party/guild into free PvP: Actually being someone who does this (the guild part) I only see it as a problem if the whole party/guild gangs up on someone for no reason. But otherwise when you're getting tag-teamed by people/rez-killed, it's a good thing since you can call for help.

But yeah main point is PvP is not excuse for being a jerk.

[Sineat]

lol i kno 75 is wat is needed for comprehension, i meant no offense if ur pissed
but wat i meant was that some players are just .. dumb, they dont use their brains b4 saying somthing, i do it sumtimes. but morons do it all the time

No no im not pissed most of the time i act like an idiot on purpose plz go on about how stuipid other players can be sometimes

[foxmasterd]

First off, where am I whining about getting killed? In fact, where am I whining at all? I am presenting a debate and my opinions on that debate. I have been piled on plenty of times and I have 3 times as many losses as I have wins. So please do me a big favor:

ACTUALLY READ WHAT THE THREAD SAYS BEFORE YOU POST SOME DUMB FLAME COMMENTED THAT ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT. You are in no way being constructive or contributing to this thread, which I created to be a constructive debate on conduct in PvP. Kindly keep your useless, unintelligent flames out until you have some actual content to contribute, thank you very much.

Hmm, I never said YOU were whining about it, it's the OTHERS who ARE complaining i'm talking about. And maybe if you'd read my entire post before you post "DUMB FLAME COMMENTED THAT ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT," You'd know that. Now, i've constructively added to the pot as well as other users have with their knowledge, If you don't like my P.O.V. then it doesn't matter to you however, saying that my posts are useless and unintelligent just shows what an immature person you are. If you would actually consider what my posts OPINIONS are, instead of jumping onto them you'd understand where i'm coming from. Thank YOU very much.

fox no one is whining about getting killed, its the "verbal abuse"


If you don't like what someone has to say, IGNORE THE PLAYER. Stop OVERCOMPLICATING THINGS, ITS THE INTERNET, STOP GETTING YOUR FEELINGS HURT OVER USELESS QUARRELS.

[MetallicaX]

If you don't like what someone has to say, IGNORE THE PLAYER. Stop OVERCOMPLICATING THINGS, ITS THE INTERNET, STOP GETTING YOUR FEELINGS HURT OVER USELESS QUARRELS.

Not everyone who plays this game is as desensitized as you are. If it means that little to you, it's a good sign you spend far too much time on the computer.

[taintedl0ve]

Killing an afk player: This is something of a double edged sword. While it is common courtesy not to kill someone who's afk, it's also common sense not to afk in the middle of the PvP field.

Cough::they had it coming::Cough


PVP is not an excuse to be a butthead... but people aren't
going to change. And the only way to be able to stop this is to maybe have a Referee
in the arena, watching these kinds of things.

I think PVP should only be at certain times, and should have one of these "refs"
there everytime it is open. This is just too easy of a way for bad things to happen
in the SOS community. I've seen it happen several times already. I don't really play anymore and I have already gotten into a fight with a friend.

Just an edit... I don't mean PVP only at certain times like it has been in the past. I mean every day, maybe for two hours or so, twice a day.

[TheDarkSenshi]

If you don't like what someone has to say, IGNORE THE PLAYER. Stop OVERCOMPLICATING THINGS, ITS THE INTERNET, STOP GETTING YOUR FEELINGS HURT OVER USELESS QUARRELS.

If you think you're part of this community, then show some freakin respect. To some people, the net is real to them. Did you not read a part of my post earlier? PEOPLE HAVE FEELINGS. GET USED TO IT. Whether it be in real life or on, as you so casually put it, the internet, feelings will ALWAYS be there. -.- This is a debate. Debates are like this....

>.>'

On Topic: I agree with most opinions about the jerk thing. No excuse to be one towards others in the PvP arena.

[sedfvgt]

No no im not pissed most of the time i act like an idiot on purpose plz go on about how stuipid other players can be sometimes

ok ^^ will do



If you don't like what someone has to say, IGNORE THE PLAYER. Stop OVERCOMPLICATING THINGS, ITS THE INTERNET, STOP GETTING YOUR FEELINGS HURT OVER USELESS QUARRELS.

no one is getting their feelings hurt, i kno its the internet
n as 4 ur complains about us not taking ur opinion serioulsy, u need to remember they doent matter unless u giv proof ur rite, that is the like the biggest rule of debate, giv proof.....=.=

[foxmasterd]

To : Metillica + Shenshi
All i'm trying to say is some people will always be total jerks. You have to be able to have thicker skin instead of being a wuss about it or you'll never get through life. I'm just saying to have some insight and stop shriveling up your lip when someone says "OH YEAH PWNT YA NOOB!"

Also, In case you havn't noticed, Metallica Jerks are EVERYWHERE. If you think people only need thicker skin on the internet, I suppose you don't get out much, do you? Insulting my amount of time on the computer proves nothing about yourself besides the fact that you've stalked a 14 year old who occasionally plays an MMO.

/Also, this IS a debate so no need to take offense to my posts and INSULT me or it'l come back to you.

[sedfvgt]

Insulting my amount of time on the computer proves nothing about yourself besides the fact that you've stalked a 14 year old who occasionally plays an MMO.

oO how did u come to this conclusion????

[MetallicaX]

To : Metillica + Shenshi
All i'm trying to say is some people will always be total jerks. You have to be able to have thicker skin instead of being a wuss about it or you'll never get through life. I'm just saying to have some insight and stop shriveling up your lip when someone says "OH YEAH PWNT YA NOOB!"

Also, In case you havn't noticed, Metallica Jerks are EVERYWHERE. If you think people only need thicker skin on the internet, I suppose you don't get out much, do you? Insulting my amount of time on the computer proves nothing about yourself besides the fact that you've stalked a 14 year old who occasionally plays an MMO.


I realize there's jerks everywhere. I'm not speaking for myself; I'm defending the thousands of people who actually have feelings, who take these things seriously because they're not subjected to it all the time, which is where my "being on the computer too much" comment comes into play. I don't think that people need to "toughen up" just for the computer; not everyone in society is constantly subjected to these so-called "jerks" in real life, so an insult on the computer can seem just like an insult in real life to these people.
And how does insulting how much time you spend on the computer have any relevance to stalking? I hardly believe a 14 year old is this desensitized by outside life in today's society.
You make too many assumptions and jump to conclusions. You overanalyze any post made against you. Lighten up, and stop trying to look smart.

[TheDarkSenshi]

I realize there's jerks everywhere. I'm not speaking for myself; I'm defending the thousands of people who actually have feelings, who take these things seriously because they're not subjected to it all the time, which is where my "being on the computer too much" comment comes into play. I don't think that people need to "toughen up" just for the computer; not everyone in society is constantly subjected to these so-called "jerks" in real life, so an insult on the computer can seem just like an insult in real life to these people.
And how does insulting how much time you spend on the computer have any relevance to stalking? I hardly believe a 14 year old is this desensitized by outside life in today's society.
You make too many assumptions and jump to conclusions. You overanalyze any post made against you. Lighten up, and stop trying to look smart.

I 100% agree with this post.

[foxmasterd]

And how does insulting how much time you spend on the computer have any relevance to stalking? I hardly believe a 14 year old is this desensitized by outside life in today's society.
You make too many assumptions and jump to conclusions. You overanalyze any post made against you. Lighten up, and stop trying to look smart.

Insulting how much time you spend on the computer
Right there. How would you know how much time I spend on the computer?

@ I'm not saying that EVERYONE is exposed to this kind of treatment. I'm only saying that this is the internet, you can expect to run into meanies, and on the internet you shouldn't take it as seriously as you would in real-life.


Btw I've played SoS for only half a year I only have a level 56 Squire, You have a 8x knight and more characters so I'd imagine you spend much more time on the computer than I do.

I 100% agree with this post.

Congratulations?
You agree with someone, yaaay!
You want me to agree with him too?

Then we can all jump off a cliff and throw explosives at buildings. :]
Yeah, i'll do anything you want me to do!

[MetallicaX]

Insulting how much time you spend on the computer
Right there. How would you know how much time I spend on the computer?

@ I'm not saying that EVERYONE is exposed to this kind of treatment. I'm only saying that this is the internet, you can expect to run into meanies, and on the internet you shouldn't take it as seriously as you would in real-life.


Btw I've played SoS for only half a year I only have a level 56 Squire, You have a 8x knight and more characters so I'd imagine you spend much more time on the computer than I do.


I never said i know how much time you spend on the computer; what I SAID was "the fact that it means so little to you is a good sign you spend too much time on the computer."
Not everyone is a brickhead; there's people that take it seriously, because they don't expect it. Just telling them to expect insults over the internet doesn't really help; some people are still offended by it regardless.
I have an 8x knight and other characters, but i've been here for a year. I've been here longer than some of the people who are now level 112+. Besides that, I never compared how much time i spend to how much time you spend.

Honestly, if winning an argument over the internet means that much to you, then it's all yours.

[foxmasterd]

Really? Because that's all I really wanted.

That and a pony

Winning helps me fill the void inside of me,
Oh how great that feels.

/Too Suggestive?

[TheDarkSenshi]

You're starting to flame. Knock it off please. -.-

[BellaAnimorum]

ON TOPIC: No, "it's PvP" shouldn't give people the right to be mean to the players, but there really is nothing to be done about this.

OFF TOPIC: Player vs.Player in SotS is broken. It is an elitist system based off of level vs. level between players. Those on top will stay on top because the weaker players simply cannot break them, no matter the numbers or their 'skills' (which there are none in this game, just pot-spamming and F-key pressing) Think I am wrong? Go challenge any of the coalitions the highest levelled players have created, see if you have a chance.
Now that being said, all good and relevant points have been made so far. PvP sould be fun, but unfortunately, it is ruled by "The strong will survive" philosophy and teeth-gritting tenacity (did I mention how many hundreds of dollars are spent on pot-spamming?) to attain another Win Point, as if it made any difference. Since there will always be more 'lessers' than those high levelled players, all feeling will ultimately be pointed towards them with angst and discrimination.
I recall a certain guild going around constantly killing-on-sight. Then, one day, everyone turned on them and finally beat them down (or at least most of them who didn't flee like cowards) Wanna know what happened afterwards? They started complaining just like those they oppressed, saying that it was unfair they were being targetted. Eventually the bitterness subsided and everything turned out to be ok in the end.

Why are we beating this dead horse over and over again?
If you like PvP, but don't like to be killed repeatedly, then go train to become the highest level in the game, or make up a new gang to be ruthless in PvP combat, as the "elites" have been doing for months now.
Of course there is the alternative, don't go to PvP at all.
AND IF YOU STILL AREN'T SATISFIED THEN THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE GAME FOR YOU.

/Let it sink in!

[raoza26]

high level players will be high level players...picking on lower level players for the fun of it!! is still pvp.im not saying this because im a high level.

i just wish they had a pvp room for player of same level or category so we may test our skill on same level players. :p

free for all room is just full of bullies!!!! arrrrg:(

[Daft_Brat]

lol maybe we should start talking about players who band together and sit in pvp so no one else can use it....like right now....oh but then again, the excuse that it's pvp covers everything now doesn't it....hide behind that excuse....I don't care that I died, I care that no one else can use pvp right now...

[phantom_thief]

ON TOPIC: No, "it's PvP" shouldn't give people the right to be mean to the players, but there really is nothing to be done about this.

OFF TOPIC: Player vs.Player in SotS is broken. It is an elitist system based off of level vs. level between players. Those on top will stay on top because the weaker players simply cannot break them, no matter the numbers or their 'skills' (which there are none in this game, just pot-spamming and F-key pressing) Think I am wrong? Go challenge any of the coalitions the highest levelled players have created, see if you have a chance.
Now that being said, all good and relevant points have been made so far. PvP sould be fun, but unfortunately, it is ruled by "The strong will survive" philosophy and teeth-gritting tenacity (did I mention how many hundreds of dollars are spent on pot-spamming?) to attain another Win Point, as if it made any difference. Since there will always be more 'lessers' than those high levelled players, all feeling will ultimately be pointed towards them with angst and discrimination.
I recall a certain guild going around constantly killing-on-sight. Then, one day, everyone turned on them and finally beat them down (or at least most of them who didn't flee like cowards) Wanna know what happened afterwards? They started complaining just like those they oppressed, saying that it was unfair they were being targetted. Eventually the bitterness subsided and everything turned out to be ok in the end.

Why are we beating this dead horse over and over again?
If you like PvP, but don't like to be killed repeatedly, then go train to become the highest level in the game, or make up a new gang to be ruthless in PvP combat, as the "elites" have been doing for months now.
Of course there is the alternative, don't go to PvP at all.
AND IF YOU STILL AREN'T SATISFIED THEN THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE GAME FOR YOU.

/Let it sink in!


I totally agree with this.

But something happened today. Somebody yelled out in the game that there were mayo's in free pvp that were dropping Xens. Of course, the new players went in there only to face death by high level players. In other words, a trap. Is this still "OK"? I understand the whole point of "dont go in if you dont want to", but this was on purpose.

I find that disgusting.

[opensunflowers]

So uh, if I go to PvP to duel someone, and we can't even get our duel started because we keep getting KoS'd...that's my problem, and I should go "level up" to "be equal" because "i don't like it"?

Yeah, we could go to Party PvP...but why am I being forced to go to a different arena just to avoid being KoS'd? Why can't I use the normal PvP arena for NORMAL PVP?
& guild pvp is worthless because you can't hit guild members (i think)

that's a bunch of bull.

[sedfvgt]

I totally agree with this.

But something happened today. Somebody yelled out in the game that there were mayo's in free pvp that were dropping Xens. Of course, the new players went in there only to face death by high level players. In other words, a trap. Is this still "OK"? I understand the whole point of "dont go in if you dont want to", but this was on purpose.

I find that disgusting.

lol PvP regulars did this for fun, u hav to forgiv them
n they werent being jerks, sum actually rez u n protect u till u go bak to sz

n to those who got tricked by the shout, use ur brain: if a hi lvl person shouts: go to PvP bc of mayos, they r lying =.= they want the xens for themselves so y shout 4 low lvl ppl?

dont cry about it bc u didnt use ur brain....
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* jerks are those who kill low lvlers for no reason n those who insult after killing

if a jerk comes to PvP, u dont need to cry about it, just team on them!
n ask for thei reason b4 assuming they r jerks
-if they dont answer then they r jerks

[Daft_Brat]

lol PvP regulars did this for fun, u hav to forgiv them
n they werent being jerks, sum actually rez u n protect u till u go bak to sz

n to those who got tricked by the shout, use ur brain: if a hi lvl person shouts: go to PvP bc of mayos, they r lying =.= they want the xens for themselves so y shout 4 low lvl ppl?

dont cry about it bc u didnt use ur brain....
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* jerks are those who kill low lvlers for no reason n those who insult after killing

if a jerk comes to PvP, u dont need to cry about it, just team on them!
n ask for thei reason b4 assuming they r jerks
-if they dont answer then they r jerks

lol read the first part of your post, then read the second part. The second part is what was occurring today.

[sedfvgt]

lol read the first part of your post, then read the second part. The second part is what was occurring today.

dude i was there, they killed my aco but a cleric rez m n kept on healing m until i got to sz, wen others wer hitting my aco....they werent being jerks , they wer just hving fun... n if u got killed there n got pissed, then learn from this n nvr go to PvP wen hilvl ppl are bored, (which is always)
XD

[opensunflowers]

if a hi lvl person shouts: go to PvP bc of mayos, they r lying =.= they want the xens for themselves so y shout 4 low lvl ppl?

what if you're new, and you don't know who the "high level people" are yet? o_O;
and there ARE still NICE people in this game. I would shout to tell people about xen filled mayos. I'm not that greedy. o_O;

[sedfvgt]

what if you're new, and you don't know who the "high level people" are yet? o_O;
and there ARE still NICE people in this game. I would shout to tell people about xen filled mayos. I'm not that greedy. o_O;

lol if ur new then u woulndt even know where the arena is, n i know there are some nice ppl , bbut there are too many greedy ones!

one time they killed my almst dead mayo n soul braked, breeze daggered, volcanoed, beamed, phantom arrowed, oblivioned, penetrated it!
n i lost my xen T.T .........this was wen xen drops wer still very, very, very, very rare

*sry if a bit off topic

[phantom_thief]

sedfvgt, There are still people who have just played the game for only DAYS. Is this the impression we want to give them? Im not pissed, even though i still got killed. But i did see a lot of low lvl people really get pissed about this, and they have reason to be.

And is nothing about being greedy. If they told you there were xen stones being dropped in the arena for real, i bet you wouldnt even think twice to go...I know i wouldnt.

[opensunflowers]

lol if ur new then u woulndt even know where the arena is, n i know there are some nice ppl , bbut there are too many greedy ones!

one time they killed my almst dead mayo n soul braked, breeze daggered, volcanoed, beamed, phantom arrowed, oblivioned, penetrated it!
n i lost my xen T.T .........this was wen xen drops wer still very, very, very, very rare

*sry if a bit off topic

LOL.
Thats not true at all. Someone who's in essene and finds the arena master and talks to him will thusly...KNOW ABOUT THE PVP ARENA. :O
So don't try to run that crap up in here.

[phantom_thief]

LOL.
Thats not true at all. Someone who's in essene and finds the arena master and talks to him will thusly...KNOW ABOUT THE PVP ARENA. :O
So don't try to run that crap up in here.

Wooo! Go Taney~ xD

[waterfall]

OFF Topic: wow, oooook, I completely downloaded the game in the time it took me to read this.

ON Topic: I have played sos in beta, no pvp then but I have played pvp in other games before, hated it because of this exact topic, jerks who kos and rezkill, and insult as well. I belive they should have a level block, only alow like, chars who are 5 levels either way be able to pvp each other, this keeps balance, and keeps down dmg to people's egos :P.

Anyway, people need to realize that there ARE people in this world who do have feelings, oh, and for high levels who want to blow off steam, go kill a lev 1 mob! Yeesh, why can people be such morons? Btw, that isn't a flame, that is constructive critisizm to those who are jerks in pvp. Oh and last thing, yes afk in arena is about the dumbest thing someone can do.

[opensunflowers]

Oh and last thing, yes afk in arena is about the dumbest thing someone can do.

yes, yes it is.
o_O

but *certain* people who afk in arenas don't get killed
but other people do and the reason given is "because they were afk lol"
funny how people pick and choose...

[sedfvgt]

Is this the impression we want to give them?i did see a lot of low lvl people really get pissed about this, and they have reason to be.

And is nothing about being greedy. If they told you there were xen stones being dropped in the arena for real, i bet you wouldnt even think twice to go...I know i wouldnt.

im sure this isnt da impresion we wana giv but if they go to pvp, im sure u can see from sz dat there are lots of ppl dead.....n if they still get out of sz they r preety dumb

u would hav lost that bet bc i would think twice about going for a xen, i would imagine the lagg it would cause having so many ppl in a cramped arena
n i see events as oppurtinity to get a mob going bc wenever ther is no event, hier lvl ppl take all the mons


LOL.
Thats not true at all. Someone who's in essene and finds the arena master and talks to him will thusly...KNOW ABOUT THE PVP ARENA. :O
So don't try to run that crap up in here.

how many nuubs you see walk around essene talking to all the npcs?
n wat r the odds they will walk to arena master?
there are no npc shops or buildings close to arena guy, so i wouldnt understand y a nuub will go walking around that area


*agin sry if off topic, i just had to reply

[opensunflowers]

im sure this isnt da impresion we wana giv but if they go to pvp, im sure u can see from sz dat there are lots of ppl dead.....n if they still get out of sz they r preety dumb

u would hav lost that bet bc i would think twice about going for a xen, i would imagine the lagg it would cause having so many ppl in a cramped arena
n i see events as oppurtinity to get a mob going bc wenever ther is no event, hier lvl ppl take all the mons




how many nuubs you see walk around essene talking to all the npcs?
n wat r the odds they will walk to arena master?
there are no npc shops or buildings close to arena guy, so i wouldnt understand y a nuub will go walking around that area


*agin sry if off topic, i just had to reply

o_O
When I was a newb I walked around and talked to every NPC. Exploring, y'know?

[foxmasterd]

Oh, wait..

You're asking if "It's PvP" a justifyable reason for being a jerk to other players?

Oooh..

No I don't think it is.. You can't be a jerk to players just because it's PvP,
Is that what you've been trying to tell me?

/Sorry, I misread question.. ._.

[sedfvgt]

o_O
When I was a newb I walked around and talked to every NPC. Exploring, y'know?

LOL i wouldnt know, i didnt explore w/ my char wen i was nooby, just got curious one time about loren.......turned out it was a bad place :D

only explored wen my bro let me use bobalitos/allei in jott,

[TheDarkSenshi]

Oh, wait..

You're asking if "It's PvP" a justifyable reason for being a jerk to other players?

Oooh..

No I don't think it is.. You can't be a jerk to players just because it's PvP,
Is that what you've been trying to tell me?

/Sorry, I misread question.. ._.

*Slaps forehead* Sometimes I wonder. XDDD

[foxmasterd]

Weeel that argument could've been avoided.

/:P Sorry to everyone. Except the OP, I still have a grudge on you.. >_>

[thrakx]

As long as your not sorry to that sed guy. He cant even type in english. I hate that guy.

[shellbullet101]

You guys still on about this?? Drop it...

[Nights_Fang]

You guys still on about this?? Drop it...

No offence but you really sound like a proud egotistical jerk to me. This is a debate, and as long as there will be problems in PvP someone with brains who cares about this community will try and get everyone's opinions on it, on how it affects them, and affects the game balance, in order to come up with a solution. Sorry if it doesn't get through to your thick skull.

This goes for everyone who's keen to start up a flame war in this thread. Catry was just opening up what she hoped would be a smart, and civilised debate. I'm sure she didn't expect morons to enter in and whine.

[Rodsession]

Answer: There's no justifiable reason to be a jerk in PvP or anywhere else in the game and that's it.

Will we get still to see jerks in PvP?

Yes. Even though, I'd like everyone to be nice and respectful, I'm completely sure that these people will stay around just like in real life.
In PvP, I protect my friends and bf when they are being attacked by higher levels and I do not fight back or whine when a higher level is killing me and I do not get mad (worthless) BUT once is Ok, twice is wrong (unless you have done something bad, and you deserve it, I say this cause I have done it... A player insulted my guild and he/she kept doing it and kept dying, not rezkilling though U_U).

And yes, people have feelings and I totally disagree with verbal violence which is against ToS.

How to deal with it?
Do what you think is respectful and fair. If you get killed more than once time by a jerk... just think it's the only way they have to show their 'superiority' and laugh at it.

[joshiasi]

i dont mind the kosing in pvp... after all pvp will be pvp... there will be people that would go power hungry and just try to wipe off the map... but thats one of the aspects of pvp... if people just want to go to pvp to just hang out... there are towns where you can do that... dont expect people to come to pvp with the same mentality that they are there just to chill... lucky this game has only that room with pvp is on... i have been on servers where every map except towns have that on... so if you dont want to get killed stay out of the pvp or just chill by the safe zone...

[ggBuRNe]

i dont mind the kosing in pvp... after all pvp will be pvp... there will be people that would go power hungry and just try to wipe off the map... but thats one of the aspects of pvp... if people just want to go to pvp to just hang out... there are towns where you can do that... dont expect people to come to pvp with the same mentality that they are there just to chill... lucky this game has only that room with pvp is on... i have been on servers where every map except towns have that on... so if you dont want to get killed stay out of the pvp or just chill by the safe zone...

ebil ebil ebil :p

[shellbullet101]

No offence but you really sound like a proud egotistical jerk to me. This is a debate, and as long as there will be problems in PvP someone with brains who cares about this community will try and get everyone's opinions on it, on how it affects them, and affects the game balance, in order to come up with a solution. Sorry if it doesn't get through to your thick skull.

This goes for everyone who's keen to start up a flame war in this thread. Catry was just opening up what she hoped would be a smart, and civilised debate. I'm sure she didn't expect morons to enter in and whine.


First let's get something straight why am I getting bashed by someone who knows nothing about me whatsoever, all i said was you guys are still on about this. Guess people cant express there opinions without getting bashed by people who cant spell offense right. There are bigger problems with the game than this the whole knight class need a fix in pvp do you see them complaining? And your comment about me not caring for the community...Ive been here longer than you have there have been many things i have done for the community, the question is what have you done, besides complain about pvp. As a matter of fact what I said was not even pointed at you. Everyone is getting on posting the same comments NO!!! Is the answer to this irrelevant question that is self explanatory. And how am I starting a flame war by saying your still on about this? It is you who have started a flame war. This is not a debate, it is a simple question that required a simple answer so before you bash me about saying "Your still on about this..". Look at yourself maybe it is you who are the one complaining about pvp.