the no sc week

[thechaz]

i was thinking lastnight about how people would cope without sc for a whole week. i think it would be a really good idea cause then more people will realise how to play propperly and will not rely on sc to help them all the time to enforce bad builds and this will get people into the way of playing and pvping with skill not with sc.

[DF001]

i dont use sc for months.

[lenore_lurks]

I don't know... some people use it just for aesthetics and for movers/houses. Which have nothing to do with gameplay as such. It would be interesting to see how the 'power' players go without things like extenders and charms while fighting, but chances are they're going to be pretty good without them due to godly statted weaps/armor and knowledge.

I don't think a lack of SC is going to suddenly make a bad player a good one. lol. Thats something that requires alot of time to build knowledge, its really not a simple SC issue.

[linkmaster02]

I know what you're saying and I understand your point, but this would be a disaster to implement. Say you had a week off from school, so you bought a 7-day item to use specifically during your time off. If the GM's halted all the SC items during that week, you would be forced to use your item during a time you didn't want to use it. Also, that would mean a week with no SC purchases....OutSpark would NOT like that XD

[Hemmes]

Nuuuuuuu, people buy sc!

[Atmor]

Rofl, I will be the first to admit Daos would never have gotten to lvl 70 as fast as he did without SC, or at least not the way he did. I admit I am guilty of basically abusing charms and extenders etc. during my time in the 5X and 6X abysses, but then again I prefer to solo so...(and remember this was back in teh day when we couldn't move and AoE...)

That being said I use far less SC items than I used to and I can cope fairly easily. I still use the houses and the moves and teh crit outfits but it doesn't make a HUGE difference. So take away my cash shop items for a week? Meh. Just means I crit less XD

[autarchaurzel]

very simply put:
it would cause too many problems in implementation
it would cause an uproar among many gamers
and the real issue:
it would cause outspark to not make as much money

[kimikawaii]

Me thinks most people buy sc at the beginning and end of every month, when the pay comes in, and then they buy stuff that lasts 30days, so closing sc for 1 week in my opinion would do nothing. Closing for a month, now that would be a shame.

[autarchaurzel]

errr ... what's the point of closing it if everyone has stuff that works through the time?
i.e. someone buys a 30 day crit suit, 30 day mover, 30 day house as well as several charms and such to use over the coming month, closing the cs will have no effect on them as they've already bought the stuff, so the idea to make people better through lack of cs is nullified by the fact that people will have pre bought stuff to use

[RikoRain]

So what youre saying is..

Just because I buy a Dog Sled mover, Im a bad player? I find that insulting.
Take into account most outfits add crit %, which is just a little bonus. You cant terribly rely on it. It only HELPS.

Using SC to reinforce builds? Who WOULDNT want extra hp/sp with an extender? I know several times my pt has suceeded in high lvl areas getting loads of exp because the tank had the brains enough to use an extender. Otherwise we would have had to go so slow.

I think youre just jealous and mad. Someone in game ticked you off, and you saw they had an outfit, so figured OMG they use sparkcash and you dont and thats why they won.

MOST players with bad builds DONT use sparkcash because they cant even get to high enough lvl to ENJOY the sparklcash.

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Keep in mind, this is a play for free game, BUT, all those bugs you gripe and whine about? Without sparkcash outspark would get no money, which means no paying people, which means: no more fiesta.

Mmki. :) Think about it

[ahtai]

Well if no SC item. First I need to re-buy a mover and Flotation stone. Critic will be less so level will take double the current time. But than I probably will use T3 scrolls to make up for the lack of critic and do more licenses to fill it up.

Yep definitely can survive and probably won't make much difference aside form the speed of laveling.

[autarchaurzel]

So what youre saying is..

Just because I buy a Dog Sled mover, Im a bad player? I find that insulting.
Take into account most outfits add crit %, which is just a little bonus. You cant terribly rely on it. It only HELPS.

Using SC to reinforce builds? Who WOULDNT want extra hp/sp with an extender? I know several times my pt has suceeded in high lvl areas getting loads of exp because the tank had the brains enough to use an extender. Otherwise we would have had to go so slow.

I think youre just jealous and mad. Someone in game ticked you off, and you saw they had an outfit, so figured OMG they use sparkcash and you dont and thats why they won.

MOST players with bad builds DONT use sparkcash because they cant even get to high enough lvl to ENJOY the sparklcash.

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Keep in mind, this is a play for free game, BUT, all those bugs you gripe and whine about? Without sparkcash outspark would get no money, which means no paying people, which means: no more fiesta.

Mmki. :) Think about it

i would have thought we all knew he wasnt reffering to aesthetic things such as movers, by that line of reason you could say someone is a bad player because they changed their hair colour, no, doesnt make sense to me either. Then you have to admit there are certain people who use their sc to aquire charms, extenders, etc. then use them in places such as PvP to annoy people who dont use them, or maybe rely on them a little too much. Personally i always feel slightly downed in abilities when i lose an item, thats ussually just a suit, or anything, having to adapt to situation when you'd normally rely on the boosts given by your cs items might make you a better player, or might make you go back to certain tactics that were more useful before, and on the best side, it makes you appreciate those items all the more when you buy them again.

[wrecksalot]

i buy 30 day items so no effect for myself.

[RikoRain]

i would have thought we all knew he wasnt reffering to aesthetic things such as movers, by that line of reason you could say someone is a bad player because they changed their hair colour, no, doesnt make sense to me either. Then you have to admit there are certain people who use their sc to aquire charms, extenders, etc. then use them in places such as PvP to annoy people who dont use them, or maybe rely on them a little too much. Personally i always feel slightly downed in abilities when i lose an item, thats ussually just a suit, or anything, having to adapt to situation when you'd normally rely on the boosts given by your cs items might make you a better player, or might make you go back to certain tactics that were more useful before, and on the best side, it makes you appreciate those items all the more when you buy them again.


Well if you think about it, there are 3 kinds of cash shop items.
a) Abstracts - these dont really help your character out much. Like the mover, beauty coupon, or an outfit with no stats. They are for look, and for convenience.
b) Enhancings - These ENHANCE an aspect of your character. It wont do any good to get them if its not already strong. A good example would be the person with loads of spr, a 8% weapon with a lic adding another 6% or so, and then getting a 15% crit outfit. This person would crit nonstop, but they woudl already have naturally critted before. Its an added bonus.
c) Additions - add things to your character. This would be like the 5-stat pets, or an outfit that added, I dont know.. 200 def or something. This also applies to charms of might, def, etc. I dont know if oyu woudl put extendors in here cus all they do is add 30%. a person with 1k hp would get 1300, but a person with 6k hp would get 8k from it.

So most the items in the cash shop cant really change a bad character to a good one, unless they were already semi-good.

Using cash shop items in pvp to annoy people doesnt really apply here, as hes whining that they are used to dominate over others (warring them then brow beating them with cs items). Plus you have to keep in mind its their choice. You have the choice as well to buy cs items if you want. You choose not to. They choose to. Its not their fault your cheap.

Besides, technically everyone uses cash shop items. You know that 3 day exp extender you get at lv 20? Mmhmm. You know those 10 reset stats you get at 30? Mmmhmm. That +9 youre holding? Gauruntee you it was made with cash shop eyes and miles.

[sirviney]

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[sixthsweetsense]

meh good idea..but this will mean that Outspark wouldn't get the money they need for a week..and when ideas like this starts..some people will post more threads about this...i know it isn't fair that some "strong" players uses cs items..but it won't also be fair to the staffs.

[tylerhuskins]

Well if you think about it, there are 3 kinds of cash shop items.
a) Abstracts - these dont really help your character out much. Like the mover, beauty coupon, or an outfit with no stats. They are for look, and for convenience.
b) Enhancings - These ENHANCE an aspect of your character. It wont do any good to get them if its not already strong. A good example would be the person with loads of spr, a 8% weapon with a lic adding another 6% or so, and then getting a 15% crit outfit. This person would crit nonstop, but they woudl already have naturally critted before. Its an added bonus.
c) Additions - add things to your character. This would be like the 5-stat pets, or an outfit that added, I dont know.. 200 def or something. This also applies to charms of might, def, etc. I dont know if oyu woudl put extendors in here cus all they do is add 30%. a person with 1k hp would get 1300, but a person with 6k hp would get 8k from it.

So most the items in the cash shop cant really change a bad character to a good one, unless they were already semi-good.

Using cash shop items in pvp to annoy people doesnt really apply here, as hes whining that they are used to dominate over others (warring them then brow beating them with cs items). Plus you have to keep in mind its their choice. You have the choice as well to buy cs items if you want. You choose not to. They choose to. Its not their fault your cheap.

Besides, technically everyone uses cash shop items. You know that 3 day exp extender you get at lv 20? Mmhmm. You know those 10 reset stats you get at 30? Mmmhmm. That +9 youre holding? Gauruntee you it was made with cash shop eyes and miles.


See thats were your wrong,Ive made 4 or so level 20-40 weapons without using Sc Items,It was just mear luck ide say..

[sirviney]

It's pathetic that you free users get pissy at me and the people who use SC, we keep the game open for your free play which you take for granted.

[PenguinEvan]

lol I sense more "scheduled cutbacks" =O

[tylerhuskins]

It's pathetic that you free users get pissy at me and the people who use SC, we keep the game open for your free play which you take for granted.

Excuse me? "Us Free Users" if im not mistaken your just as much as a free user as any of us Vin,ITS A FREE GAME WITH BENEFITS!

L2P kaythnxbai

[sirviney]

Your logic is overly stupid.

[tylerhuskins]

Yet i still sit here,I proving you wrong,And yet you still insult me..Now that sir,is pathedic

[autarchaurzel]

i have a question for you sirviney, are all your posts flames or just most of them?

[tylerhuskins]

Thanks you! autar! +rep for that!

[autarchaurzel]

i'm sorry if it offends him but i've seen him on more than just this topic giving unhelpful posts, or more like one line put downs

[tylerhuskins]

It's pathetic that you free users get pissy at me and the people who use SC, we keep the game open for your free play which you take for granted.

The thing is,He didnt put me down,what he said are just words. And words dont hurt i just hate the fact that he thinks that hes all Godly and what not because of his so called "Reputation" on the forum..And no,Im not blacklisting,Im stating facts.
He really needs to stop flaming and attempting to put people down.

And theres my proof at the top,That was going to far viney...And you know it.
That comment is completely untrue.

BAM! how do you like them apples!:rolleyes:

[autarchaurzel]

ok i think we've flamed enough, lets try and get this topic back on track ...

[Thasmudyan]

Well, first of all it's not going to happen, as it'd be the equivalent of every Outspark employee saying, "Sure, we'll work for free for a week." Would you want to work for free for a week, particularly when it would have absolutely no long term impact on the success of your product?

That said... even if they were to do something like this... how exactly would they do it? Disable the use of charms/extenders/other timed items, perhaps... but what about +9 items? People with full +9 are still going to kick butt even without charms. Ok, so disable the +9 effect on all gear. It'll probably just annoy people at this point, as even a lot of non-CS users have +9 weapons at least. And even if this happened, would there be balance? No, STR fighters would still dominate PvP, for example. No matter how many changes you make for the sake of having a week of balance, there's still going to be an imbalance somewhere.

As much as I'd love to see some of the +9'd/charmed/extendered out people try and play without these things for a few days, the cash shop is part of the game whether we like it or not. It does keep the game running, after all.

[Lety23]

You can't really assume everyone who uses SC uses it on stats, crit armor, etc.
Some just the plain accessories to look good
I don't use SC....yet

[lordofthesick]

oh yeah this will work.......outspark just turn off your profit from fiesta for week....money cant be that important to a company, certainly not as important as making ppl learn how to play without it. I have an idea why you would make a thread like this ppl forget sometimes what its like with +0 armor, hp/sp extender ,crit suits , and all that. But outspark is a company and money makes the world go round so short of a cashshop server crash combined with premium item bugs game wide this sc free week aint gonna happen

[Adrichiang]

I am kinda of addicted to the cute costumes rather than leveling quickly. In other Online games that is monthly fee based, the only reason I would put up with boring grinding would be the fact I can eventually level high enough to wear that pretty outfit ^^.

Hee hee hee, I can picture Outspark having a one week without SparkCash. It is probably when the big one hits California and Arizona becomes new beach front property, off course if that were to happen there would no Fiesta as the servers are forever lost at the bottom of the Ocean. Although, the players can campaign and boycott the purchasing off cash shop items if they can prove that buying spark cash is dangerous to our physical and/or mental well being, something like buying sparkcash will make you more likely to have cancer or buying sparkcash will more likely turn a normal person into a megalomanic who wants to rule the rl world! Just Kidding ^^.

[Lety23]

I am kinda of addicted to the cute costumes rather than leveling quickly. In other Online games that is monthly fee based, the only reason I would put up with boring grinding would be the fact I can eventually level high enough to wear that pretty outfit ^^.

Hee hee hee, I can picture Outspark having a one week without SparkCash. It is probably when the big one hits California and Arizona becomes new beach front property, off course if that were to happen there would no Fiesta as the servers are forever lost at the bottom of the Ocean. Although, the players can campaign and boycott the purchasing off cash shop items if they can prove that buying spark cash is dangerous to our physical and/or mental well being, something like buying sparkcash will make you more likely to have cancer or buying sparkcash will more likely turn a normal person into a megalomanic who wants to rule the rl world! Just Kidding ^^.



No offense
I read this whole thing
and i think it's a masterpiece o.o

I call it
"the perfect way to confuse Lety"
o.o;

T.T






I would like to add I am also addicted to the cute little outfits
Even though I haven't bought any....yet >.>

i will as soon as I get to a Target, and get a few $$
annnnd of course as soon as i am able to play Fiesta again D:

[UzumakiW]

Well, I haven't bought any Spark Cash for over 3 weeks, though I'm still using Cash Shop items. Does that count?

Seriously, though, if you want to protest and not buy Spark Cash for a week, go for it, however, I'm not going to take part in a protest from both buying Spark Cash and using cash shop items. This is how they are able to keep the game going and pay their employees.

Ako loves the Cash shop cloths =3

[Lety23]

lol
I don't think people who use SC at all will go with this xD
I don't think they'll even take it into considertaion

I think the people that voted yes
are Non-Spark Cash users who want to see SC users suffer
Though, I am totally for that, bwahahaha XD

But it's not gonna happen

[booyah8876]

i was thinking lastnight about how people would cope without sc for a whole week. i think it would be a really good idea cause then more people will realise how to play propperly and will not rely on sc to help them all the time to enforce bad builds and this will get people into the way of playing and pvping with skill not with sc.

I suggest, taking your business and shutting down the only source of income it can get.

Just to see how long you can last on what resources you have available to you right now, and make you think about what you're really doing.

Call me back in a week...

Oh wait, you can't...

you won't have a phone nor electricity, nor a phone company providing the ability to call...

Sorry. =/

[princess_vivianne]

I haven't spent spark cash in a few weeks now. Only because I kinda have to choose between spark cash or groceries (currently in college). But usually if I have spare money I buy SC. I don't mind it esp. since it supports OS and the staff. Silky needs to eat to, you know... o.o

[thechaz]

if people are saying that leveing is hard currently without any sc i have a lv 83 cleric lv 60 fighter lv 61 archer and a lv 56 mage so there goes that theory and im at school most of the time. then to top it off i know some good players that use sc but rely on it to much and there are noob players (wont be listed) who use sc and they are "godly" when i know if they didnt have it they would be tramples all the time.
*soaks self in water* fire is hot

[Hemmes]

lol
I don't think people who use SC at all will go with this xD
I don't think they'll even take it into considertaion

I think the people that voted yes
are Non-Spark Cash users who want to see SC users suffer
Though, I am totally for that, bwahahaha XD

But it's not gonna happen

Then lets go on a non-SC strike with all the people that dont use SC items! :D
This is like closing a shop saying: "You know what, gather your own food this week." or: "no trains this week, bike the 30 kilometers to work".

Seriously though: I hate to see people on my lvl who are plain bad at Fiesta but lvl twice as fast as me. I have to work hard and get to be proud when i lvl.
On the other hand...thx for partying with me and killing werebears in one hit so i can pick up the armpit hairs...XD

[kavaska]

Hmmm what I think about that...
I'm a workin' woman. I'm working hard IRL to get some money. And I'm spending some money for SC. I don't really have a lot of time to play after work, so I want to make a game kinda easier to have fun, not to play 24/7 to lvl/make quests etc. CashShop items are helping me not to waste my precious nerves for game, I have enough ploblems IRL for it xD. I don't wanna hit the table with my head everytime I'm trying to make my weapon +9 and it breakes, I don't wanna waste 2 hours to complete quest when i can make it in 1 hours with +9s/extenders and waste another 1 hour for house work or something other useful IRL. If someone doesn't want or cannot use SC, it's not my fault and not my problem - I want and I will use it.
And - yes, Fiesta won't going on without people who supporting it with their money.No servers will work forever, and noone will work for free.

P.S. Many ppl before me already said it - bad or good player - it's all depending only on person behind it, not on items on character.

[Hemmes]

I understand what your saying Kavaska. But you said something rather odd to me.
Basically you say that when you dont use SC your wasting time, cause it will take you longer to do a q. That would lead to the conclusion that you play the game to complete quests as fast as possible and lvl as fast as possible. Though your lvl 50 after playing over 7 months. I understand you cant play every day but it is still slow-ish, definetaly considering the SC items.
You also say that if you can complete a quest twice as fast, you play half the time...
I reckon most people find lvling an important part of the game. I dont use SC and i just play as much as i can/want, not till a certain quest is done. And i play cause its fun. If I would use SC items and lvl twice as fast, i would more likely spend more time on Fiesta than less. Since i would want to use the SC to its full extend and because i get enthousiastic about the quick results.

I mean...every minute on this game is theoratically a wast of time because everything you can do playing fiesta, you could do better IRL. (like relaxing, social contact, achieving something.....)

[kavaska]

Heh, unfortunally, I don't speak English very good, so I cannot say what I exactly wanna say sometimes ;) But I'll try to explain what I meant.
I'm not very obsessed with leveling fast. I like quests not for exp it gives, but because it's kinda mission. But as example, when I need to kill 100 bats or 120 prisoners or something like that in amount, it bring less fun and relax when it takes a very long time. It will just become boooring. I like finishing quest before I'm bored of it :D

I mean...every minute on this game is theoratically a wast of time because everything you can do playing fiesta, you could do better IRL. (like relaxing, social contact, achieving something.....)
Yeah, you're right for sure :) Anyway, I have a lot of hobbies and playing Fiesta is just one of them :)

Well, I say one more time - someone uses SC, someone doesn't. It's just a choice that everyone makes by himself. Where's nothing wrong in wasting real money for game, and nothing wrong not to do it.

[autarchaurzel]

well hey, people pay for other games to pay monthly, so whats wrong with paying a little here every now and then, the only difference is you dont have to if you dont want to, people i dont get are those that spend like $100+ per month here