Poll-Repeal new Update or Keep It? [Archive]

zues8844

10-29-2008, 07:27 PM

Halloween Quest:

- Myzen's Halloween Bash (Event Quest) - from Grandma Myzen
- Zach's Halloween Bash (Event Quest) - from Weapon Title Merchant Zach
- Receive permanent mask for quest rewards

Minimum level to enter Battle Field has been changed to level 10

- Abysmal Cave - lev 10 ~ 36
- Grave of the Abyss - lev 10 ~ 46
- Abysmal Summit - lev 10 ~ 56
- Passage of the Abyss - lev 10 ~ 66
- Dungeon of the Abyss - lev 10 ~ 76
- Relic of the Abyss - lev 10 ~ 86
- Holy Place of the Abyss - lev 10 ~ above

Battle Field rule changes:

- Cannot attack guild members
- Can attack enemy guild members even when in same party

Level restriction removed and players can use mounts in following Dungeons:

- Marlone Clan's Hideout
- Graveyard of the Dead
- Concealed Peak
- Land of Trials
- Bonds of Darkness
- Trumpy Remains
- Guardian's Holy Shrine
Also, Kill Points are now available, AND you lose xp from another player killing you. Not to mention that your bosses of dungeons are being spawn killed for their drops, repeatedly. What's next, Slime KQ for lvl 30+'s?

Originally Posted by SKiNG http://outspark.com/forums/images/fiesta/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=248376#post248376)
Hi everyone,

I haven't posted here in a while because I've moved my focus on Blackshot but I still read the forum here and there.

The reasoning behind the PvP changes was to promote more competitiveness in the PvP zones, hence the term PvP. Developers felt it was too "care bear" and wanted the zones to play out as intended. This was tested in the Korean version first and now it's in our version. This doesn't mean it's permanent though (the beauty of PC games). We will definitely follow how it plays out and make necessary changes as time goes on.

PvP is meant for player vs player. If players only make use of those zones for grinding mobs, then what's the point? I'm not saying the changes are right, but give it a chance before raising your arms in anger :)

ownbusiness

10-29-2008, 07:33 PM

Saw some like level 65-70 people in level 50 abyss spawn killing everyone earlier...It's pretty sad. Considering you lose xp to, I don't know why they even did this maintenance. Change it back lol...

Fre_ak

10-29-2008, 07:38 PM

burn it...just keep the lvl80-89 abyss ^^"

zues8844

10-29-2008, 08:41 PM

Keep it coming.........

Sockrawteez

10-29-2008, 08:43 PM

this patch is bar far the failest thing ive ever seen...*** where they thinking..UNDO IT

RikoRain

10-29-2008, 08:44 PM

As someone so delicately put it...

"The person who thought of this patch should be fired. NOW."

U.u Seriously. You know what I got when I got home? "Dont go to abyss" -- why? " -notsaying name- is spawn killing anyone who goes into or out of abyss for "kill points"." -- oh.. guess Im not lvling anytime soon..

Sockrawteez

10-29-2008, 08:47 PM

lol famous quote for this..."*** where you smokeing when you made this?"

zues8844

10-29-2008, 08:51 PM

Some 2 people voted for keep, but they're probably just newbs trying to get themselves noticed >.>

Kraehe

10-29-2008, 08:55 PM

Or people who like to annoy others by begging for plvl in the Abysses. -_- Therefore, they wanna keep the patch because if it went poof, no more higher lvl Abyss for them~ [the way it should be >O]

TrippinRat

10-29-2008, 09:00 PM

Some 2 people voted for keep, but they're probably just newbs trying to get themselves noticed >.>

Versus people making 2 new threads about the patch after dozens have already been closed.

Maybe the abyss's were designed for more competition and this will spark a bit more chaos in those zones. Maybe the level restrictions were removed so the "problem" of higher level players warping to academy members could be made moot. Or maybe they were removed just so people could have help on the quests. Not everyone is very social or has enough time to form a group.

zues8844

10-29-2008, 09:02 PM

I said "probably". Lots of people make 0 post alts just to make an annoying vote. No offence intended Tigole.

RikoRain

10-29-2008, 09:11 PM

Not everyone is very social or has enough time to form a group.
Very social?

How is being spawn killed by a player 20+ lvls higher than you "social"? Not everyone has time to form a group? Okay.. so.. before this patch it would take you what.. a max of 30 min to form an abyss / dungeon pt. Now? Now you go there, and some 20+ lvls higher than you is SOLOING everything, as well as killing you.

So tell me, tell me how this promotes teamwork and happiness in this game. Explain it to me. //sarcasm//

TrippinRat

10-29-2008, 09:46 PM

Very social?

How is being spawn killed by a player 20+ lvls higher than you "social"? Not everyone has time to form a group? Okay.. so.. before this patch it would take you what.. a max of 30 min to form an abyss / dungeon pt. Now? Now you go there, and some 20+ lvls higher than you is SOLOING everything, as well as killing you.

So tell me, tell me how this promotes teamwork and happiness in this game. Explain it to me. //sarcasm//

Okay, keep in mind that I also said abyss is high risk for high reward. You walk in there, you should expect some higher risks than were previously there. Loot shouldn't be handed out by the truckload like that without really earning it.

I'm sure for every chump that wants to be a jerk in abyss, there'll be a newbie he kills that'll bring his higher level back to take him down or run him out.

It's not like the minimum level is meant to be in all of the abyss's. If you're getting terrorized, go to a different abyss. If you're getting terrorized in the lowest abyss you can go into, form a posse. If you can't form a posse, just move on. There are plenty of other options for leveling.

How does it promote teamwork? You get a TEAM to go in and do the WORK. And when your team takes down the jerk, you'll all be much happier than he will.

HassanChop

10-29-2008, 10:08 PM

I just voted repeal to some of the features because I mean I like the whole mounts in Trumpys Remains and the other dungeons is an awesome feature.

Alodia

10-29-2008, 10:46 PM

Okay, keep in mind that I also said abyss is high risk for high reward. You walk in there, you should expect some higher risks than were previously there. Loot shouldn't be handed out by the truckload like that without really earning it.

I'm sure for every chump that wants to be a jerk in abyss, there'll be a newbie he kills that'll bring his higher level back to take him down or run him out.

It's not like the minimum level is meant to be in all of the abyss's. If you're getting terrorized, go to a different abyss. If you're getting terrorized in the lowest abyss you can go into, form a posse. If you can't form a posse, just move on. There are plenty of other options for leveling.

How does it promote teamwork? You get a TEAM to go in and do the WORK. And when your team takes down the jerk, you'll all be much happier than he will.

You seem to be veryvery idealistic.
:D

Unfortunately, in the real world (lol real world) team work doesn`t work too well, and you KNOW there is going to be a certain group that always manages to 'pwn' other players.

And jerks are usually friends with other jerks, who will come help friend jerk take out that lovely TEAM.

str99t

10-29-2008, 10:57 PM

hahaha ^ true. repeal the abys/dungeon lv changes. keep rest :)

lordofthesick

10-29-2008, 11:18 PM

the biggest problem i have is loss of xp when killed by another player that really sux the fun outta pvp especially when playing a mage that stands no chance against cash shopped up fighters.

To look on the brightside BR mobs evasion has been fixed which helps questing ALOT clerics can even solo kidmon easily now :D. Having not one but two abyss to go to at lvl 84 is great, even thoe they are packed right now :(

autarchaurzel

10-29-2008, 11:41 PM

the biggest problem i have is loss of xp when killed by another player that really sux the fun outta pvp especially when playing a mage that stands no chance against cash shopped up fighters.

i agree completely, the update wouldnt have been such a severe blow if there was not pvp exp loss, granted they want to encourage the pvp aspect of abyss but player induced exp loss is bad enough, they get in trouble for training mobs on people, why should they now allow someone a much easier way to knock others' exp off

TrippinRat

10-29-2008, 11:47 PM

You seem to be veryvery idealistic.
:D

Unfortunately, in the real world (lol real world) team work doesn`t work too well, and you KNOW there is going to be a certain group that always manages to 'pwn' other players.

And jerks are usually friends with other jerks, who will come help friend jerk take out that lovely TEAM.

Actually, teamwork doesn't work as well online... but it is certainly encouraged I think. And yes, there are always going to be people who have been playing a long time with deep pockets who SC up and aim to kill just for the sake of killing. That's unfortunate. If you simply walk away from those scenarios, they're just sitting there wasting time and they'll leave soon when it's boring. After a few weeks, the hype of abyss will cool down and it won't be a slaughter-zone anymore.

Even the jerk congregations (yeah, I know they like to roll in teams, I was an avid PK in UltimaOnline lol) get bored, and I think "pk gangs" are rare in this game.

I just like to give things a chance, and I like a challenge in games I play. It's almost like everyone wants to have a monthly paycheck in the game for free.

Alodia

10-29-2008, 11:58 PM

Actually, teamwork doesn't work as well online... but it is certainly encouraged I think. And yes, there are always going to be people who have been playing a long time with deep pockets who SC up and aim to kill just for the sake of killing. That's unfortunate. If you simply walk away from those scenarios, they're just sitting there wasting time and they'll leave soon when it's boring. After a few weeks, the hype of abyss will cool down and it won't be a slaughter-zone anymore.

Even the jerk congregations (yeah, I know they like to roll in teams, I was an avid PK in UltimaOnline lol) get bored, and I think "pk gangs" are rare in this game.

I just like to give things a chance, and I like a challenge in games I play. It's almost like everyone wants to have a monthly paycheck in the game for free.

Walking away isn`t easy when idiots are going to launch on you as soon as you spawn. And sometimes, lag prevents you from zoning out before idle state wears out, resulting in your death... again.
:D
And while all this lovely spawnkilling by idiots is going on, you`re losing hard earned exp. Delightful, isn`t it?

I doubt it`ll 'cool down'. Jerks will always be jerks, and unfortunately for some of us, the world, not to mention Fiesta, is positively FLOODED with jerks. Jerks who WILL come into Abyss looking for some people to kill for kill points that don`t even do anything (yet... I guess?).

PK gangs are most definitely not rare in this game. At least not in Apoline.

Challenge, yes. Pulling your hair, gritting your teeth, raising your blood pressure in frustration? No.

YES! YES! YES! 'It`s just a game! Calm down! It`s just a game! Don`t get so worked up about it! LOL UR STUPD! ITZ JUS A GAME!' But I actually liked this game once upon a time, quite a long time ago, and I dedicated a freaking YEAR to Eirlyn. My fault for dedicating so much to her, yeah sure whatever, but you gotta admit... Seeing your character hit the floor AND lose exp because of jerks who (in my opinion :'D) don`t deserve to live be on the internet is going to frustrate you.

DF001

10-30-2008, 01:54 AM

lol sking is like saying that abyss is only for pvp....really...I would see many party wars before this patch.

Hemmes

10-30-2008, 04:59 AM

Its fine if the abyss would be pvp only IF they made sure you could seriously lvl any other way. There are way too little quests to lvl. And 1 repeatable quest gets borring (no really, its does). Im lvl 46 and saying this so i can imagine the higher lvls being a pain. And how are we to get higher lvl alchemy skills??? without the drops from 2x abyss?

Im not going in there if you lose xp by being killed. There was enough pvp going on in there imo.

TIS IS ALL RUBBISH! I havent had the chance to play since the update but if i dont like it, im gonna say goodbye to Fiesta. I dont want to pay for a 'free' MMORPG, but you have got no choice now. besides fiesta aint that good of an MMORPG anyway ^_^

EDIT: Soon there will be the "you'll get used to it, its for the best" threads inspired by the gm's. Ill laugh at that. The only people who wont disagree are the ones who just started and dont know better. Maybe thats the target audiance for them now.

kimikawaii

10-30-2008, 05:56 AM

I don't like this update, is this how it is in the Korean Fiesta, or is Outspark being different?

wolfdance

10-30-2008, 06:04 AM

Its fine if the abyss would be pvp only IF they made sure you could seriously lvl any other way. There are way too little quests to lvl. And 1 repeatable quest gets boring (no really, its does). I'm lvl 46 and saying this so i can imagine the higher lvls being a pain. And how are we to get higher lvl alchemy skills??? without the drops from 2x abyss?

i'm not going in there if you lose xp by being killed. There was enough pvp going on in there imo.

TIS IS ALL RUBBISH! I haven't had the chance to play since the update but if i don't like it, i'm gonna say goodbye to Fiesta. I don't want to pay for a 'free' MMORPG, but you have got no choice now. besides fiesta ain't that good of an MMORPG anyway ^_^

EDIT: Soon there will be the "you'll get used to it, its for the best" threads inspired by the gm's. Ill laugh at that. The only people who wont disagree are the ones who just started and don't know better. Maybe thats the target audience for them now.

Hmm you sound spoiled, "there's not enough quests". Well big whaa. Cry me a river. You got more than twice the quests I had, you get repeats with good exp. Our repeats didn't give anything and half didn't exist. There was no abyss. And quests only gave about 25% of a level. The rest you had to grind in regular maps. Why do you think there are regular maps? Abyss has spoiled too many player. So now you have to earn your level again. Still easier than most that came before you. So use normal maps or get strong enough to use abyss. No more free ride. :O

Hemmes

10-30-2008, 06:33 AM

Hmm you sound spoiled, "there's not enough quests". Well big whaa. Cry me a river. You got more than twice the quests I had, you get repeats with good exp. Our repeats didn't give anything and half didn't exist. There was no abyss. And quests only gave about 25% of a level. The rest you had to grind in regular maps. Why do you think there are regular maps? Abyss has spoiled too many player. So now you have to earn your level again. Still easier than most that came before you. So use normal maps or get strong enough to use abyss. No more free ride. :O

25% :confused: Thats about what you get now...so what are you blapping about?
My repeatable quest gives me 8% for killing 50-70 werebears. How can 1 quest be twice the quests? O yeah, theres the sand mushroom repeatable quest. The xp on that one is even lower.
And spoiled??? If you have to kill the same monsters for houres and houres while its simple to put in quests...The game is stupid. It has nothing to do with being spoiled.

Youre just **** because you feel/think you had to work harder to lvl. Well it keeps getting easier so get over it...Im not happy about how easy it is now to become lvl 30, it took me a lot more time. I dont go around calling people spoiled though.

Big surprise, people start complaining when the game gets worse...No real point in telling me it used to be even worse cause that means nothing to me.

zues8844

10-30-2008, 06:53 AM

Take it easy guys............so far 53 for repeal.........good,good.

Orchids_Mantis

10-30-2008, 07:08 AM

The abyss is a PVE zone, but lower levels that want to PVP OTHER low levels cannot do so now because the higher level players will kill everyone in there. I feel -especially if they intend to keep the patch that has been set up- that the creation of rooms with no mobs where fighting cannot take place should be employed (Safe Zones).

The first room you warp into should always be a Safe Zone, to let you see if a higher level is standing in the doorway waiting for an easy PK. This will stifle the amount of higher level PKers that sit by the warp spot (a long and boring wait, if they can see you before you can kill them), and let the lower level players know it is not safe to leave the room, so they should go elsewhere and grind.

The abyss should have 1 or 2 other Safe Zones in addition to the first. These rooms with multiple entrances would be a place people could go AFK in (after all, sometimes crap happens in the real world and you can't stay at your computer) as well as recover in (probably even more Mushroom Killers now than before, and this would stop that as well).
- Possible problem with safe zones: High level players waiting at entrance to PK other players. Worst case scenario of this, though, is you respawn in the initial Safe Zone.

This would remove the 3 largest complaints in the PVE abyss zones
1) Spawn killing -cannot kill in room with spawn point
2) AFK killing -move to safe zone before going AFK
3) (recovering) Shroom Killing -Move to safe Zone before recovering

Just my ideas (I'll probably put it in the feedback section....but I highly doubt anyone at OS would even consider these, as it would reduce the number of BoT and cookie packs sold for people going into the abyss)

Hemmes

10-30-2008, 07:17 AM

Take it easy guys............

Myeah your right srry.
I just dont like to be called things.

Its like cutting your pay check in half. Then saying people used to have even less money so you shouldnt complain.

UzumakiW

10-30-2008, 07:33 AM

I don't like this update, is this how it is in the Korean Fiesta, or is Outspark being different?

This is an update Bright Kingdom decided to implement in their game to make the abyss more challenging, and eventually, it got passed down to OutSpark.

zues8844

10-30-2008, 09:27 AM

Well, I believe it should be repealed >.>

Angeliqu

10-30-2008, 09:46 AM

This is gettin stupid now i cant even go in roa without under leveled 70's coming in takin over in room and if we dont move we die coz then they get guildys to come now i was really thinkin of leavin the game becoz its becomin redicolus and now uve made it even more impossible.all i wanted to do with my party was level but no can u please sort it so that only level 70+ can enter relic of abyss coz its stupid and so annoying!!! Ty

zues8844

10-30-2008, 09:48 AM

Good, 62 votes for a repeal............

wiccanrod

10-30-2008, 10:07 AM

zues8844

10-30-2008, 10:09 AM

No, we all know they know Fiesta is their biggest game, even better than Blackshot. If they let this go down the drains, they just lost their biggest source of income.

k7leetha

10-30-2008, 10:16 AM

REPEAL

This is the worst thing Outspark has done to this game so far.

Deaths_Will

10-30-2008, 10:23 AM

zues8844

10-30-2008, 10:34 AM

wiccanrod

10-30-2008, 10:47 AM

1. Higher levels can now farm the bosses. Thought boss weapons were pricey before? Think again.
2. Yeah, because the lvl 7X benefits SO much from gathering 100 mobs from the lvl 3X abyss.
3. Yeah, and I bet YOU get great exp while you power level newbs who will not know how to play their class.
4. Maybe they messed up on YOUR server, mine is relatively stable.
5. I could get a better argument from my dog.

hahahahaha i like ur reasoning very good (mayb deaths will is an undercover GM) sure seems to like them a lot ^^

cloudjames

10-30-2008, 10:58 AM

DONT MESS WITH IT
#1~
lower lvls can get help with quests in dungeons now
#2~gathering mobs is twice as easier
#3~bring the train more for me to kill and it doesnt madder in abyss the monsters do like 20 dmg to me anyways lol
#4~we messed up the economy so we also need to stop blaming outspark for ruining the society
#5~want more? just pm me

#1
Back then, how did we manage to do or dungeon Quest? We did it by our own. We find party on our own. Hell, I think dungeon is at a semi-difficulty level. With the current state of dungeon standard the lower levels need help from high level? I can solo dungeon bosses, ZK, GGK, TK, GoC, GH. With the help of Only T3 buffs and HP pots. You referring to other classes? I have seen Clerics solo Dungeon bosses. No big deal. Mages and Archers, not yet. But the purpose of dungeon is to find a party of around your own similar level and kill the Quest/Boss. And it also allows the similar level groups of players to farm bosses in their repsective Dungeon. Its something call, challenge. Then ask that lower level not play Fiesta then if he/she needs help with dungeon Quest from a player almost 10 level higher. Its about playing the game yourself and socializing with groups of people of around the same level, do Quest/Farming together.
Second point. There are alot high levels jerks around. They can do the low level farming for no apparent reasons and this wil make the lower level players who need the boss kill, wait for 2/4/6 hours (I do not know the exact time) for their boss kills. Not everyone have 5 to 10 hours a day to play. It's something call a life.

#2
Gathering mobs is indeed easier. Travelling in abyss is faster. Speed of finishing the Quest is also faster. As a result, no challenge again! Dungeon is meant to be challenging. From what I can see, Dungeon is just an peasy easy place now.
Second point. Moving around with your mounts carrying loads of trains behind you and the trains happen to mobbed onto a solo mage doing some mobs Quest in dungeon. Then the shout chat will appear "____ trainers" (fill in whatever offensive words you want)
I don't mind getting trained by loads of mobs. In fact, I love it. But not everyone can handle them.

#3
Erm.. in abyss you can't use a mount. So I am not sure what you are trying to point out here. And again. I don't mind getting trained, but that doesn't mean everyone can handle them.

#4/#5
I don't quite understand what you are trying to point out and what does this got to do with this patch, so I am going to ignore this two points.

Last point.
Sorry no offence death. but learn to be specific to your opinion and arguements. thanks.

Hades_Sith_Lord

10-30-2008, 10:59 AM

go to lvl 70 abbys and find lvl 85 ppl with BK weps, farming kill points, just for fun.. THIS IS JUST A STRATEGY TO SELL MORE CS ITEMS, this game is falling down like the "free" pirates online game, it turned so much cash shop that was almost stupid to try play without them.. jsut c we still have the dam lvl 20 hobby, so if u want to go br u need the dam cash shop moves, etc etc, sucks

tylerhuskins

10-30-2008, 11:13 AM

Repeal
Repeal
Repeal
Repeal
Repeal

something needs to be done!Gawd,This is awesome,This is almost like a strike!

Deaths_Will

10-30-2008, 11:15 AM

i just think that the new patch is good
cause so many people said they would quit the game with all the blues coming into game that they had no choice but to leave them all.
then people still blame outspark for lettin that bug exist.
i mean seriously you have a team that raises cap are there not goiing to be some bugs once its done?
and it was the players fault for ruining the economy for wanting to keep the blues.
and with this lvl limit change on everything all the weapon price's and rings will go way down.
same thing that happend with the blues
resulting in a controlled society again on Fiesta.

tylerhuskins

10-30-2008, 11:22 AM

See,thats not always the case,For all we know,instead of the prices dropping,They could drastically raise even more,Making the economy perish in dirt..
Now,the high levels 70+ can farm all they bosses they want,getting the weapons,asn selling them for stupid prices that not many level levels can afford..
How will low levels be able to aquire such a feat?

Im only level 30,and its a big accomplishment to defeat a boss,GGK,KM,etc,but now that theres higher levels there,non-stop.it has taken the fun out of the game...

mistertears

10-30-2008, 11:38 AM

i dont think greens or rings drop for high leveled players in lowered leveled dungeons ie. 7x in a 4x dungeon.

@deaths will: the reason that it is called a bug is because it was unintentional. the in-game economy will stabilize eventually but give it another 6+ months. ring and weapon prices wont go down from this patch; higher levels will just spawn kill the lower levels for kill points.

with this latest update: outspark forces you to be a cash shop baby and buy blessing of teva, else have fun and delevel

Orchids_Mantis

10-30-2008, 11:46 AM

i dont think greens or rings drop for high leveled players in lowered leveled dungeons ie. 7x in a 4x dungeon.

They won't, which is why the 7X will bring a 7X friend with a 3X or 4X alt to get the final few hits -the drop is based on the kill-shot primarilly.

chester17

10-30-2008, 12:05 PM

For my view...

someone mention abt there no abyss (in some other version or earlier version of fiesta?) and u grind in normal map?
It is fine for me
i believe it is fine for many pple
i myself do not know that there a place call abyss until i reach lvl 5x
i grind in normal map
One thing bad abt the abyss, when u get kill by pple u lose exp
so when u kill someone u get exp also?
I would rather fiesta close all abyss, and let grind in normal map
at least there no chance for u to get kill by someone higher than u, and risk losing exp

There are always good n bad things abt patch

Etc
the last patch, there was glitch in MD kq where MD get stuck in the rock
many pple like it
but i dun like it
It spoil the fun of the game!

But in my thoughts, this patch is horrible plus terrible

WHY!!!!!!

OS really disappoint me with this patch

totally spoil the fun of the game, and de-moralize me
Many high lvl will soon come out, because they can go higher lvl abyss and grind, party with pple in higher dungeon and get awesome exp
kill 100 mob they will lvl
no need for quest
consider cancel all NPC quest. abyss good enough for low level
they just have to go high lvl abyss and grind
normal 5x need pure 8hr of grind to get 100% exp, a 3x player into 5x abyss only need maybe 3-4 hr to get 100% or even lesser time

Consider make KQ no lvl restriction
and u see lvl 1 going gordon master KQ, and once success, they lvl straight up to maybe 30, or higher

I really wan to see the old dungeon and abyss
Abyss is not so bad at least, cos there still soem lvl restriction
BUT dungeon PLEASE revert back to normal, and NO MOUNT ALLOWED!!!
If mount allow in dungeon, made CP1 and CP2, LS1 and LS2 also can use mount!

If there no change gonna be made, then maybe in a few more month, or maybe few more week fiesta will become my history.

I will stop spending sparkcash from now on. cos it not gonna be worth...

REVERT BACK!!!

resigood

10-30-2008, 12:23 PM

Repeal ffs
im sick of this crap already

squilibrina

10-30-2008, 12:26 PM

Also, Kill Points are now available, AND you lose xp from another player killing you. Not to mention that your bosses of dungeons are being spawn killed for their drops, repeatedly. What's next, Slime KQ for lvl 30+'s?

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I think if it was just a matter of making players become more competitive on killing each other .. u could make more BFZ maps.. maybe even a bit more interesting and with some stuff in it
Actually most of players use Abyss maps to do some proper grinding, exp and drops .. then u've got a bunch of players all charmed and +9 that go in abyss killing around all parties happily grinding there

Dont wanna make fuss but few months ago with a big patch u just cleared off most of mobs around FOS and URUGA ...u gave us Dark Passages .. easy way for lvl 30 to reach uruga as soon as they manage to jump Karasians in CP
So higher level ... found themselves with less mobs and more players around .. we just had very good abyss at lvl 50/60 and now this is spoiled
So what do we have to do.. where do we have to go if we just wanna do exp .. get some nice drops and happily enjoy this game without getting killed every 2 minutes?

And another little thing.. Burning Rock was the only map where i never seen 50+ go killing because of the high mobs evasion..
Now.. they gonna reach us again.. im so glad about it:mad::mad::mad:
2 lvl repeatable on kidmons.. would be really nice if u get a 60+ party making exp around
BR was safe.. now it's not anymore :-((

And this is unfair even for all players that enhanced gears with dex and now .. what? they can get back on their usual stats and enhance again?

Yesterday i went to 80's pvp and i read a players says.. come on lets race to 1000 kill point in one day..
Or few players laugh at killing players with no teva blessing making them lose exp
Is that game harmony? Do we really have to cope with stuff like this?

Plz dont answer abyss is a pvp area if u dont like dont go.. cause i feel i have the right to get in and have fun
And lots of players feel the same

sorry but like this u make so many premium item necessary to might survive in abyss and this is against rules of games
Blessing of Teva is really necessary if u dont wanna get back to 0% of the lvl
Im really sad about it

Enchanter 80x

PS i use teva blessing.. but i dont wanna feel forced to use it
and.. i feel sorry for ppl lose exp for some "feel cool on killing noobs" players