More about clerics annoyance!! YAY!

[anthony5126]

ok so yesterday i do kingdom quest with my cleric and of course im the only cleric there -.- so everyone starts cursing going omg this cleric has to take care of everyone! but then i said no i dont im only going to target the tanker the whole time. everyone starts getting annoyed so they go thru, everyone dies cept me and my tanker that ive been healing the whole time! everyone sticked around to start yelling at me after we lost but they started getting mad after me and the tanker won.

So the moral of this story is... dont tick off a cleric u cant live without them =P

BTW: the tanker was only level 13 and i was 10 at the time! =D

i got those +25 HP earings and a +6 mace so everyone got especially mad that they didnt think that i was going to do it

[Oalka]

Well I hope you're satisfied with yourself, you did exactly the opposite of what your job should do :P

[anthony5126]

should do not want to do! do you really think one person should take care of 14 people when they can make one person stay alive the whole time and end up winning?

[TastyTapioca]

In defense of the cleric, he can do what he needs to for the good of the group. In this case the main tank was top priority. It's not the clerics fault that he was the only one who got into the KQ. It's not the clerics fault that he DID prioritize his healing powers to that of the lead person keeping everyone moving forward and alive LONGER than they would have without one.

I would have done the same. My priority as a cleric is to see the lead tank stays alive. *If* I have the ability to babysit everyone else and am the only cleric, I will, but if this tank is all that's keeping the big mobs from me. He has ALL my love and the rest will have to fend for themselves till things are clear enough for me to attend to them.

[kikuxleet]

People need to stop being selfish sometimes - Clerics are not gods and they have limited talents. I had the same problem in World of Warcraft: My priest got yelled at by stupid players who all think they have the highest priority to get healed... -_- But that got fixed gradually when priests began to let people die on purpose for revenge then people started to shut up about it =P

[aegrimonia]

Clerics aren't SUPPOSED to do anything.

I heal people when i feel like it while soloing.. almost never rev anyone out in the field, because nobody rev's me.. when i die i go back to town.. why shouldn't you?

People act as if clerics have nothing better to do then to run around healing buffing and reving people..

I'd like to level and get good loot too..

I play a cleric because we can be largely self-reliant.. we may take longer to kill something, but we can keep keeping on while others are begging for help.

that's my opinion.

[anthony5126]

you guys are what i like too see in players =P except for the first reply of course... you feel how other people think and how hard it is to do some of the things everyone wants you to do. if you want someone to babysit you get a girl who is 18 and never gets off the phone with her boyfriend not someone who wants to play a game

[MewMewLina]

So just a level 13 tank killed king slime?

And to anyone else in that KQ who may be reading this, jeez, it's common sense not to get yourself killed, don't blame the cleric for your stupidity.

[Superwolf]

Lol 13 died in king slime except for the cleric and the tanker. I like that :D

By the way, everyone else shouldn't depends on your heal they have to take care of themselves, THEN you as a second choice whenever you're able to.

[MyYing]

well i like clerics and ive said it b4 dozens of times (if anything i die for them during evry kq ecspecially the robo one). as for those in ur kq they got what they deserved, i am a fighter and really i wish every cleric thought like u heal the main tank/tanks but not all do =/ . also clerics DO have the RIGHT to do as they please just like any other class i mean c'mon we are ppl with choices. as for me being res'd in the field tho...Youre damn right i feel like i need to be res'd lol its fair exchange for all the clerics ive saved lol...seriously tho at higher lvls u will see helping the next man/woman really does help u out in the long run lol

[denns]

Yeah , it's true. I'm a cleric as well and finding that sometimes fighter in a pty rely so much on cleric. like it happened to me once, when i pty with 2 fighters ( lvl 31 & 29) grinding in C.Prison. and OMG they fought the harkan without using any skill , and they relied on me to heal all the time and my sp gone in a blind of an eye ( 1 harkan cost me like 600sp ) same as i solo. that's why should be aware of tanker sometimes as well.

[Ueberbier]

I agree, some people seem to think a clerik is nothing more than a healbot and they dont even bother to use a HP stone or pot to stay alive. If they die in case of that they shout at you like HEAL DAMN!! wich will most likely make me not healing that person at all.

[anthony5126]

its funny that some people just dont get it tho... i mean if you want to be healed dont expect for someone to do it. BE FREAKIN PREPARED. its almost like doing pvp without a weapon. or jumping into a fire without an un flammable suit... OR NOT HAVING PEANUT BUTTER ON YOUR BAGEL WITH CREAM CHEESE EVERY MORNING :cool:
if u want something done its not right to just ask someone to do it for you or even start cursing them out when you find they are doing something that made it better.

and i just love the people who pretend that they have like level 30 healers who say "well i have a level 30 healer im able to heal everyone why cant you"... i just find that pathetic

[manji2501]

hmm.. its.. like.. you want something done.. do it yourself?! [i mean the healing]
Something similar happened to me also in a Mara pirates KQ.. everyone was yelling at the cleric (she was the only one) saying dam why wont you heal bla bla bla... i was the only one defending her...... please..... i mean, we have not one, but 2! ways of healing ourselves, pots and gems. Did those ppl forget they have ways of healing themselves or.. they are just plain geniouses??
In the end the poor player using the cleric thanked me and even appologised for it, but i thanked her for healing me when i was in a tough spot and both pots and gems where recharging (I was using a Mage at the time).
Gezz...
About the ressurecting, my mage girl got ressurected a couple of times while playing in Luminous stone 2 and Mara Pirates Hideout. And all those times i never asked to be ressurected. They did it cuz they wanted it and where responsible players (although we where also in separate party's).
So my thanks to the clerics.

[anthony5126]

thats true also. i dont do it if you ask me especially if you ask me rudely by going up to me and say like "Heal" even though i dont know if people want me to heal them or if they are just calling my characters name "HealsRUS" but you know if they want to be healed or not most times. what i think the problem is is that people are stuck in other games where u go up to people ask ask them for a buff or heal and they just do it because it doesnt harm them... well heres news for you people...

THIS IS FIESTA

thank you :D

[LostDEwind]

I think u done nothing wrong^^
Sometime when cleric are extrmely rare... ppl who are not tanker should use up their own hp pot or stone...

Ya... cleric can heal and rez but we are not god...
Fiesta also seem doesnt have group heal...
so... if i were u i will also do the samething^^... except there have extra time then i will considere heal other...

[dericcyk]

clerics/healers are always abused in every game, i'm all for letting them abusers die and not ressurrecting them, there was even a few times when those idiots keep standing in front of marlone and keep dying, since there was only 2 clerics and both were needed to keep the tanker from dying.

Some others defended us, and said if you have lives use it, the clerics are busy keeping the whole group alive by healing the tanker.

[tingrui22]

should do not want to do! do you really think one person should take care of 14 people when they can make one person stay alive the whole time and end up winning?

Who says...i won mara KQ 1 cleric to 14 people..i healed all of them when they asked and i healed those being chased...although i only heal tanker at boss(he died 4 times for mara) and rez ppl who die...who says being only cleric in the team cannot win...u can!! even without rez...and if u think ur the one with heal did all the job...think abt the warrior must have hp pots along (if ur 190hp can last for every 3sec heal...he would die in an earthquake...probaly depending on the warrior)

[tingrui22]

Clerics aren't SUPPOSED to do anything.

I heal people when i feel like it while soloing.. almost never rev anyone out in the field, because nobody rev's me.. when i die i go back to town.. why shouldn't you?

People act as if clerics have nothing better to do then to run around healing buffing and reving people..

I'd like to level and get good loot too..

I play a cleric because we can be largely self-reliant.. we may take longer to kill something, but we can keep keeping on while others are begging for help.

that's my opinion.

u r the person who is going to change the reputation and the types of clerics....

[cunnington]

As a cleric, I prioritize who i heal/res. My party tank comes first then archers/mages. Then anyone outta party The main tank the archers/mages.
I never understand how mages/archers die since they're in the back unless the fighter fails to keep agro. But people need to understand if a cleric is on their screen doesnt mean that their saved and dont have to use pots ever. Seems people become even more reckless when theres a cleric around.

As a fighter i dont depend on anyone i come stocked with 200 potions and maxed stones ready to use. And unlike most fighters i can keep the agro of my monsters making everyone else's job easier. I play as if there are no clerics or mages or anything in my party.

[qwter55]

Yeah , it's true. I'm a cleric as well and finding that sometimes fighter in a pty rely so much on cleric. like it happened to me once, when i pty with 2 fighters ( lvl 31 & 29) grinding in C.Prison. and OMG they fought the harkan without using any skill , and they relied on me to heal all the time and my sp gone in a blind of an eye ( 1 harkan cost me like 600sp ) same as i solo. that's why should be aware of tanker sometimes as well.


Stand there let them die... smile to yourself and think... ohhh I am feeling naughty...if they ask say sorry its lag or something... or logout and have a break ... go make coffee ... oohhh nice coffee...^.^ ... feel good now? Dont stay party with nub... you dont have to .. really you dont.

[anthony5126]

Who says...i won mara KQ 1 cleric to 14 people..i healed all of them when they asked and i healed those being chased...although i only heal tanker at boss(he died 4 times for mara) and rez ppl who die...who says being only cleric in the team cannot win...u can!! even without rez...and if u think ur the one with heal did all the job...think abt the warrior must have hp pots along (if ur 190hp can last for every 3sec heal...he would die in an earthquake...probaly depending on the warrior)

yes and that is exactly the problem! people will automatically think, hey one person healed me before when i asked, maybe that means if i just ask they will heal me... then it snowballs to them cursing you out when you say you cant heal them!

[academics03]

Heh heh that's funny. I'm also surprised, this is the first time I've ever seen a game where more then one person agreed with the cleric player about not being required to carry all the other classes.
One cleric can't be expected to carry an entire team. I've had experience with healing classes in other games (people screaming "HEAL PLZ" at you gets really old) and being responsible for saving everyone will empty out your mp and your magic potions really quick...you usually don't get enough money to make up for it either
Why don't people carry potions anymore? Seems like more then two people would have survived the kq (or survived longer) if they had a few potions on hand. Can't always assume the next healing spell will be meant for you and not the other hurt party member.

[XpierulesX]

And what's up with all the 'REZZING' we gotta do >_>

[anthony5126]

And what's up with all the 'REZZING' we gotta do >_>

first again, this is fiesta its called revive not ressurect in this game =P and we dont HAVE to revive anyone if we dont feel like it

[TastyTapioca]

I call it rezzing, ressing, reviving, and whatever else really. I guess old habits from EverQuest die hard? :D

[myztic]

Isnt that the job of a healer,to keep the MT up at all cost if the MT is down so is the rest of the group and no one wins ? IF they have time they can spam a heal or 2 on other group members my suggestion would be to bring a few pots along and dont count on the Priest (healer) Im sure glad with the attitudes ive seen in this post I never grouped with most of you in another MMORPG such as WoW where i was also a priest and seen more content then 80% of most players I was really suprised at this game being a n00b in Fiesta the priest was as powerful as they are able to tank/ do damage and still heal very well.

[tingrui22]

yes and that is exactly the problem! people will automatically think, hey one person healed me before when i asked, maybe that means if i just ask they will heal me... then it snowballs to them cursing you out when you say you cant heal them!

Nope they nvr said anything...they knew i'm the only person...so they quite understand until the boss part where tank died 4 times..he was pissed off becus i rez others instead of healing him....(dun think tanker got pots)

[anthony5126]

you guys gtta start reading lol.. im replying to the other posts. i started the thread. im on the right side not the outside

[KonataIzumi]

Clerics aint no slave. As myztic pointed out. Main tank dies, the rest dies. Can't get the logic? Then play as a cleric and find out yourself(Refering to people who whines towards clerics). Unless ofcourse, there's a handful of backup tanks in the standby corner. Play smart, don't depend on clerics on everything. Died the first time? Use a life. Don't go REZZZ PLS REZZZZZZZZZZ REEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ over every single deaths. If no clerics resurrects you, grab yourself some toilet papers and sniff your nose. Don't OMG YOU CLERICS ARE IDIOTS. You'll be under the personal "People-that-I-won't-buff-heal-resurrect-help" list of clerics. Refer to bottom paragraph.


I still remembered some good old times in mara kq back weeks ago. Main tank dies, some other low leveled fighter who was attacking at the side, disregarding our warnings not to, but to attack from the back instead also died and guess what. The smart cleric revives the low leveled fighter first. Before cooldown ended, it chased some mages and did an aoe, a group of mages/archers died and the smart cleric revives a dead mage who's inside his party, and ended up dead himself, the smart cleric. Whole KQ fail in 15 minutes. Good old times..no. Golden times.:rolleyes:


Nowadays, there're ALOT of clerics in golden hill KQ in Teva. Like, 9 clerics out of 15? Gives me an idea that most clerics graduated from Mara KQ, leaving the mara'ers without clerics or limited clerics:D Heck, also due to that there's getting more and more clerics leeching in GH KQ. Not that I care, since we have more than enough clerics to keep everyone alive to begin with.


I'm sure when those people realised that a level 47 and on clerics can give you a nice hp/sp buff, I'm sure they'll start being especially polite towards clerics. :D

[Nerria]

first again, this is fiesta its called revive not ressurect in this game =P and we dont HAVE to revive anyone if we dont feel like it

But don't you enjoy the warm fuzzy feeling of making someone else enjoy the game while you continue on knowing a bunch of Magic Staves will spawn and no one will revive you?

I sure do.

Seriously though, I do. xD

I'm just to kind-hearted I suppose, although friends would argue (lol). I revive anyone I see on the ground, if you are hunting near me and NOT kill-stealing, I heal you, I buff you, I help you with aggros, and cure you.

As for healing - my party is first priority. The main tank (who is usually with me) is my main target. After the main tank, I heal the next best tank, then squishies. As for damage-dealing fighters, I don't heal at all unless partied or I have them targeted.

Squishies are far more useful than damage warrior in my opinion, therefore they get more of my cleric love. =3

I imagine at 41 when we get Rejuvenate, a party based heal, life will be easier in with others around. Since you can target an out of group tank and use Rejuv. to heal your party.

0.02

[SpiritS]

In my opinion,ask urself 1st tanker(to all who tank).If you unable to protect our(cleric) life why should we sacrifies our life to keep u alive.If u think cleric are nothing than healbot,or one can let you save up your own HP pot/stone,then you are wrong.We mayb unable do powerful damage like you all did but we do have better chance to survive then you.So if you think you are good to be a pro cleric then be one yourself and taste it,if not dont scold cleric for unable to do this or that or u can just use your precious Hp stone or pot and dont depend on cleric to revive or heal.
Cleric maybe need burn their Sp stone/pot to make sure you survie so in return fighter should burn their own Hp Stone/Pot to protect our Life.
For me as long as you Not Kill Steal me then i heal,cure or revive you no mather i know you or not.

[Exhonour]

Weird, my kq are all half clerics = sucks i hate it.... id rather work with 1-2 clerics ...

[atese]

My scrolled up level 25 pure end fighter just dropped while tanking Charismatic Mara. The damage was so low, a level 17 cleric with heal 3 can probably keep me alive(and one <20 did in a previous kq. Not sure of his level.) This KQ had two clerics level 20+.

Neither were fighting. They just weren't healing the main tank.

I burned a good 2s worth of stones + pots that kq. Clerics would have spent maybe 200-300 copper in sp stones.

Someone had the gall to tell me to "give the clerics a break"
A break? It's a frakkin boss fight, there is a tank that can eat nearly three aoe's worth of damage, and I should give them a break? They aren't the ones eating 2s worth of hp stones/pots because a stupid cleric won't heal the MT.

[Gavener]

Well I hope you're satisfied with yourself, you did exactly the opposite of what your job should do :P

Yes and No
i take care of my group And the MT and spot heal but on a boss fight Sorry MT gets all the love

HEAL MEZ ! all i hear from people not in my group, i think to myself hell i have 20 hp and sp stones and 30 of each pots and regen pots, why am i so differant from the rest of people im broke always, but for some reason everyone says i cant afford potions and stones...if everyone didn waste every copper on weapon/armor upgrade you might have some coin

[ketashi]

I don't really know how to react to all the posts.. Everyone has a point, at least to some extent.. Yes, I know some people can be rude sometimes when asking for support.. But if it's in KQ, I think clerics should try helping anyone who's bleeding to death.. Afterall, everyone's depending on one another in a KQ.. Of course the partymates of the cleric takes first priority, but a couple of heal's spared for the others would be awesome ^^..

Anyway once you're no longer allowed inside GH KQ, you won't have to deal with all these later on..

[ScarlettLady]

Ive been a "healer" class in every game Ive played. Its always HEAL!!! CURE!!!! REV!!!! spam over and over.
So I made an agreement with myself unless you can respect ME enough to say "heal me plz" or sumthin like that, i dont help you. Team is diffrent, but team NEVER has to ask me. When I play another class i die alot because Im so used to watching teams health. As far as revving random people, I always feel bad for the little dead noobs running around just trying to do the same thing I am. As long as they dont rudely spam me, they get a rev. As far as my SP, thats rediculous. Last night, team of four, my tanker getting hit for 20-30 and I used... 10 pots, and he let me pick up the SP pots mostly, so I lost 1 pot on a team of four and got 6 lvls. well worth it to me. AND i random healed people, helped a guy being PvP 4 to 1. Cant rev yet, so im not sure how that will affect my SP, but i can only assume, i will get more SP pot drops the higher mobs we go after.
Anyhow, just my 2 cents.
And just for those of you saying "Im the healer you need me" They are the tanker, we need them too. Unless you love running back from city over and over and over. I believe in the golden rule. treat me like a "healthpot" and get no heal. Treat my skill with respect, and get the respect of my skills.

[The_Zeroith]

I'm a lvl 30 cleric....

The person that is a cleric should always do what is in their best interest to stay alive or to accomplish a set goal. The same goes for evey other character type and individual playing. Clerics have to think strategically and decide when to heal and who to heal.....clerics have to think strategically to decide when to cast invincibility on themself so that it is possible to rev someone while a monster is pounding on you...you have to think strategically to complete the actions that will give you and your party the best chance for success! We are all players and sometimes we can't do what we intend.....

With that said....... there are plenty of times that neither you nor your party members are in jepoardy.....in those times clerics should be on the look out to help others in need....never put them above yourself or your objective, but
for f--- sake, don't walk by people asking to be rev'd....don't stand and watch as someone is running away from 5 monsters and their life is slowly being drained.....yeah, true, it's not your problem....but if at the moment you are free and able you should help people out....it's not our job or responsibility, but should be within ur personality.....I mean, come on, every Cleric CHOSE to be a healer.....u don't have to be pricks.....if you're healin your tank and can find a way to make him/her safe for a while so that you can tend to others you should do it....... don't be evil....

digiversed

[Gravvi]

i agree. What pisses me off tho is that people think we are obliged to when we are not and then when we are done not one thanks or anything. Just "ban party member". Yes i know that we are healers but some people made builds for soloing and happen to get into a KQ. They can't instantly change their builds. And yes i tend to heal the weak and save everyone. Just think outside urself for a change people.

[BaronSkippy]

Lol, I agree.

I try to do as much as I can heal and buff wise but I am more then a big walking HP potion.

Just because I can concievably(sp?) heal 14,285 HP/min doesn't mean I have too because some may see a cleric in a support role but it's kinda like the one legged man in an **** kicking contest. If you don't watch yourself and what's happening I can't be held accountable just because you die.

There's an old phrase about not biting the hand that feeds you, well I have another one.

"Don't **** on the hand that's holding your life." XD