"Secret" Updates

[linkmaster02]

I know that the GM's don't tell us every little detail about what gets updated in patches, but sometimes I think those unsaid changes are rather important. Is there a list of "secret" updates that occurred with the 10/28 patch? If not, we can start listing ones we know of here.

Here's the ones I found/heard:

- Kill Points system is working
- Players killed by another player lose exp (abyss only I assume)
- You can now click on other players and mobs while you are in your mini-house

That's all i can think of right now...anything else?

[FatalLace]

animated NPCs in Forest Perimeter
Lvl 20 Restriction on Sand Hill town scroll

[TrippinRat]

Lvl 20 Restriction on Sand Hill town scroll

Heh, best update yet. I always found it amusing how many of those scrolls dropped from events and people left laying around for the newbies to vacuum up... only to find those poor souls trapped in Sand Hill.

[hesqua]

I know that the GM's don't tell us every little detail about what gets updated in patches, but sometimes I think those unsaid changes are rather important. Is there a list of "secret" updates that occurred with the 10/28 patch? If not, we can start listing ones we know of here.

Here's the ones I found/heard:

- Kill Points system is working
- Players killed by another player lose exp (abyss only I assume)
- You can now click on other players and mobs while you are in your mini-house

That's all i can think of right now...anything else?

hasnt that been around all along?? I'm pretty sure I could right click select a mob / player while i was in a shroom before the patch...


Heh, best update yet. I always found it amusing how many of those scrolls dropped from events and people left laying around for the newbies to vacuum up... only to find those poor souls trapped in Sand Hill.

Town Portal Guard is here to save the day!

[Shaden]

XP from a lot of 3x quests was completely dulled down to.. near nothing than what it was.

[samuraimandc]

thay should just put abyss back the way it was and make Holy Place of the Abyss for lvl 80~89. relic sux now trying to lvl and get killed by people way higher lvl just because thay are board, and low lvls have really hard time if thay can get in to higher abyss. the lvl caps need to go back. and lvl lock on dungeons now its no challange now that u can just get some one really high lvl to help out.

[TrippinRat]

hasnt that been around all along?? I'm pretty sure I could right click select a mob / player while i was in a shroom before the patch...

Wasn't around before mid-September, tho there's been a lot of updates since then, so can't say for sure


Town Portal Guard is here to save the day!

Doh, forgot they put that in. But again, since I haven't played since September, it's easy to forget. :)

[Rzpect]

BR mobs's eva lowered and aim
M.Dmg from mobs are higher

[DF001]

XP from a lot of 3x quests was completely dulled down to.. near nothing than what it was.

Oh really..?

Let's go Shaden! I plvl you in 4x abyss!

[autarchaurzel]

actually, the clicking from your shroom has been around for months, i used to do it in ... june or july was it ...

[Shrift]

the license system has been changed, the kill credits are shared in a party now.

[elementangel]

the license system has been changed, the kill credits are shared in a party now.

That was part of last week's update :3

[mredlodge]

I noticed on MD or Spirit Breath earrings...

evaision and aim is not displayed in a percentage anymore.

it is +10 , or +20

dunno about others..or even when this changed

crit rate is still in %

[wolfdance]

You can buy and sell on players shrooms while still on mount, mage magic burst cooldown when maxed is almost instant. No more mm1 needed :D

[wolfdance]

Oh and drop rate reduced in abyss, t4 snones now drop in 70 abyss when I need t3

[lenore_lurks]

I noticed on MD or Spirit Breath earrings...

evaision and aim is not displayed in a percentage anymore.

it is +10 , or +20

dunno about others..or even when this changed

crit rate is still in %

Aha! I was trying to remember what I saw had changed and this was it. Instead of them reading 2/2/2/100/100, it reads 2/+20/+20/100/100.

[autarchaurzel]

really about the earrings *checks* oh yeah o:

and a good thing about the buy/sell on mount, i didnt have half a problem forgetting i was on a mount and not being able to buy/sell XD

[brave_dai]

the license system has been changed, the kill credits are shared in a party now.

wow i like this, and happy to know

[Poisoned77]

Those updates are from older patch notes, so they did tell us about them, they just finally got the patch fro them from the devs.

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

Heel yea keep hidding the truth!!! Outspark lowered almost to the half the def/dmg at the lvl 59-79 cap raise!! And now they eliminated it from the bugg list cause they dont want to fix to get more spark cash!! On extenders and blah blah, come on asnwer to that cls, or gms or whatever u are so brave!!

[autarchaurzel]

*pokes hades* o:

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

lmao >< *pokes back* the gms and cls know where not to post cause they are afraid to tell the truth, we want more cash so we will mess up u all, i was posting about this time ago, and the only gm who had the courage to answer is no longer with us, strike 2 outspark!! next one u will loose ur best ppl

[booyah8876]

If you guys took the time to realize, the "1%" on the earrings only ever added 10 Aim Lol.

We know the Def/Dmg was reduced purposely, but oh well, that's how the game works now.

I don't understand where people are under the impression OutSpark is this company out to cheat the players for more money.

They do marketing things to make money because it's a company before it's a game... Oo.

[autarchaurzel]

the point is, who can be bothered to do the maths XD

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

no they listed that on buggs list and we all know that u are a cash shop abusser on extender charms, good for u, show how 'smart' u are

[Shadowic2]

lmao >< *pokes back* the gms and cls know where not to post cause they are afraid to tell the truth, we want more cash so we will mess up u all, i was posting about this time ago, and the only gm who had the courage to answer is no longer with us, strike 2 outspark!! next one u will loose ur best ppl

Why do you keep assuming that we CLs are lying to you and keeping things from you? We aren't in the loop or involved in any way when it comes to patches and updates.

Also we're too busy cleaning up all the threads that are popping up after this update to stop by in every little thread to answer questions. And many of the questions concerning this update we simply do not have the answers too.

And did you ever stop to think that the GMs and staff are a bit too busy to come into this chaos at the moment? They do have other things to do than to visit the forums.

If you want to continue badmouthing the CLs and Staff, please take it up with one of us privately via PM or Email to whoever you want to contact, rather than repeatedly posting about it on the forums.

I understand you are angry, but if you keep displaying this behavior it can and will probably land you in a bit of trouble. So please try and calm down and think a bit before you post.

And that goes for everyone else as well.

Let's keep it civil and on topic, yes?

Thank you.

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

lmao u are the one that closed mu POLL and now u aloud more? and i blame most of cls cause u are the ones that represente the comunity with the gms, and cls control most of the post, so why that one dissapeared uh?

i forgot this; the gms dont care are jsut doing events. i pm them 2 times with the 25% sale off overprice, what they did do? nothing, until almost 10h after it, and events that are for cs users, btw great gms, where is the burning rock photo event uh? o i forgot u never give up the price, even if we used cash to get in that event,come on answer that? scared?

[tylerhuskins]

-Closed-.....

[autarchaurzel]

didnt work, lemme try ...

~CLOSED~

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

and now i c my poll with other name, did u close it ? nooooo. get ur facts right CL, u are player like us with "dreams of power" if u are under preassure and u cant handle it, quit

[booyah8876]

no they listed that on buggs list and we all know that u are a cash shop abusser on extender charms, good for u, show how 'smart' u are

I just got an extender for the first time 3 days ago. I use charms for boss events and grinding in Helga's Tomb. Lol.

I don't understand what your arguement is. It says in the bug list that it was by design, right? Right. If the Koreans don't change it, then they don't change it.

Thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard,GTFO

I'm stating the truth. It's a company that produces a game. Companies need money to survive... I don't know what's so stupid about it.

[Poisoned77]

Hades...what did your mom put in your Froot Loops this morning?...dear lord... 0.0

[autarchaurzel]

extra sugar?

[inthehizzle]

Thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard,GTFO

No, it's rather true and makes perfect sense.

and now i c my poll with other name, did u close it ? nooooo. get ur facts right CL, u are player like us with "dreams of power" if u are under preassure and u cant handle it, quit

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[CSR_Joker]

lmao u are the one that closed mu POLL and now u aloud more? and i blame most of cls cause u are the ones that represente the comunity with the gms, and cls control most of the post, so why that one dissapeared uh?

i forgot this; the gms dont care are jsut doing events. i pm them 2 times with the 25% sale off overprice, what they did do? nothing, until almost 10h after it, and events that are for cs users, btw great gms, where is the burning rock photo event uh? o i forgot u never give up the price, even if we used cash to get in that event,come on answer that? scared?

You are getting very close to a forum suspension with the way you post. Please cool down and send your concerns about specific people to their PM box or to our management via support@outspark.com

If you continue this kind of rant with personal attacks and staff harassment on the forum i will suspend your access. You have been warned.

[inthehizzle]

http://image.fpsbanana.com/ico/sprays/blahbyfblows.jpg

The hammer has been brought down.

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

i had pm them all csr , why u never respond me? <-- (cool down enough, just asking), what aobut all the stuff we want to know? is there any chance we all can make a huge true converstation about this?

[AParadiseLost]

Resource gathering bar works now, unless this is old news, I've been gone for a few months.

[CSR_Joker]

i had pm them all csr , why u never respond me? <-- (cool down enough, just asking), what aobut all the stuff we want to know? is there any chance we all can make a huge true converstation about this?

Sure, we can make a conversation within reason. Keep in mind that we may not know the answer to some questions due to various reasons including features still being worked on at the developer level or things , not finalized, that we plan to release later that may affect the answer to the question, etc.

[booyah8876]

i had pm them all csr , why u never respond me? <-- (cool down enough, just asking), what aobut all the stuff we want to know? is there any chance we all can make a huge true converstation about this?

That's what I'm confused about...

why does everyone think that OutSpark have nothing better to do with their time other than conspire under the table to get us maliciously?

Oo.

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

Sure, we can make a conversation within reason. Keep in mind that we may not know the answer to some questions due to various reasons including features still being worked on at the developer level or things , not finalized, that we plan to release later that may affect the answer to the question, etc.

when CSR ? i think all comunity will love to have a open an polite conversation, so i would ask where and when? so we can discuss all the things that we have in mind?

[autarchaurzel]

when someone starts one?

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

ok ill start it
ill make a post ^^

[fi_esta]

Can someone make a nice list of all these secret changes. From this thread, I learned a few things which I think are important, especailly the fact that licenses can now be worked in a pt. And the magic burst cooldown thing.. is it true?

[CSR_Joker]

Why not talk here since we are already engaged in the thread?

I really don't have much to report besides that the recent changes were decided by our team and were released. I'll try to answer anything else that I am aware of, go ahead and post here.

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

OK scr i maked another post at general discuss, but since u say here lets do it here ill paste that all
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Dear CSR im here to start the conversation in a polite way as u required

ok i think all the community will love to post here, so lets try to keep this clean

ill start with a few questions

* what happened with the deff/dmg decrease on the 59-79 cap raise?

* why there is no more ongame cash movers since lvl 20?

* why u decided to make all the production skills now are a rare drop (t4) lixes, elrues, xir, u realize this destroys the economy of players who try to earn some honest silvers

* now we dont have any scrools recipe t4 at npc, and pots is messed up , expample Antioxin t3 recipe = dont teach the antixin t3 recipe.

* decomp is hard to develop and now the recipes are rare, expensive, and we dont even have the AS t5 (alchemys stones)

* why br mobs just drop t3 mats? and at a very low rate? i think we should have t4 drops like the lizards knights ancient stonies, that are lower lvl mobs

ill paste the following from a post that u may not have seen


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1st: Kq rewards, this makes lvl 5x-6x the most fortune ppl, becasue this kq was the last one who gave earrings.. all are farming and selling this MD earrings for prices that are ubber high.. ppl in higher lvls should have the posibility to get items with sts according do their own lvl, and not to be hunting low lvl ppl to buy this items..

2nd. Recipes.. until t3 we were ok beacuse the t3 were not hard to get so all the ppl can enjoy t3 scrool making, not like before was a black market, overpriced.. now again we will have same problem, and even worse, in a huge more big scale

2.1 stones t4, since patch was release of t4 recipes we have killed ( my party) more than 10000 mobs and non recipe were dropped (jewel tree, red nix mobs) who will ever complete the 3 recipes needed to make xir t4?? nobody.. and again we will have a blackmarted, overpriced stones..

2.2 scrools t4, not even the common scrools recipes like aim, eva, magic def, are at npc.. its ok if u want to leave t4 vit and def like rare drop but this will generate again more overpriced market.. leaving the ppl poor

2.3 decomping t5. there is no t5 AS (alchemy stones), and no way to get the recipes cause they are not droppping, and it would be nice if they were at npc like all the others decomping recipes.. its hard enough raising the skill to reach t5 and u cant use them..

3 drops

3.1 rings.. again we have a great problem.. why lvl 86 uruga shinning / brave rings are dropping in 60s abys?? and not at BR? again ppl of higher lvl are doomed to buy low lvl ppl stuff, generating overpriced things and making the ppl who have worked hard to reach lvl 80s live impossible..
also we dont have boss rings since lvl 60 dungeon (GOC rings) and that leaves again ppl with no good rings..
not even 80 abys so far..

3.2 mat drops.. at fos .. killinga ancient stonies and Lizard knights u get t4 mats as drops.. in br u get only t3 mats.. again leaving the effort of ppl in nothing. low lvl ppl pay less for sp/hp stones and get more cash for them, high lvl ppl have to use 3-4 stones to try kill a BR mob that have an insane dex..(bugged dex on br mobs not fixed..yet..)

3.3 armor /green drops.. again we have a problem here.. more than 10000 mobs killed on br (jewel trees and red nixes) and no armor drop, just 4 useless lvl 95 weps.. why the most needed mobs for player dont drop armor? again ppl of fos lvl 60-79 are getting these drops from shylps, ancient stonies lizard knights.. and even worse, the sts are bad maded. why a lvl 88 cleric pants have like 11 int?? its just ridiculous. so far non t4 drop can match a t3 armor drop.. and again the ppl of lvl 80s+ have to check ppl of 60s+ for armor ,, and pay overpriced cause we cant get the items that were supposed for us..

3.4 weps.. well the weps now are not that rare, but bk weps lvl 85 and 95 are making a huge mess, this maybe should sound as class balance, yea it is , short but here.. an axe lvl 70 are like around 233 aim, lvl 85 have 500 aim, lvl 95 are 1000+ aim.. so axes can now hit with no chance of miss a full dex archer. making the dex added for evasion useless. like all the other cleric/mage/archer weps that have overaim.. well this part is not like for here but i feel the need to add it..

4 movers.. if i may ask .. why we have the same slowwwwpoke mover since lvl 20? we have to travel huge areas like uruga - BR.. if there is no chance for ingame money movers at least make a gate from uruga to BR.. like all the other towns are linked by town portal guards.. we also diserve that for avoidn the long travel, and no spammer will go to BR since there are mobs in the npc area.. (btw the only npc at BR is bugged... )

i think so far its all i had on my mind.. im worried cause there is ppl that are making money exploting ppl, and thats not nice.. we all should have same oportunies according to our lvl to get good stuff .. and to make our own bussnies to get some extra silvers. since the skills are overpriced and the quests we most use gives 2s at lvl 80s... that + the drops dont even match the price of the stones used to do what the quest requires..

i thikn its all for now.. pls lets make this very objetive, with no flamming, we just want answer and opinions, if u do, pls put the reasosns that makes u feel that way..

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[Wolfdevil007]

When you are done answering this Question i would like to know WHY when outspark makes ALL the updates you dont ask ppl about it, i mean we are the ones who play it , dont we?
And almost all of the time when a new patch is added, it only drives us into buying Cash shop items (i know nobody forces us to buy them)
An example with this last patch, in abyss when a high lvl comes , how is the only way, if you are alone to defend your self, is buying charms? maybe extenders, or wht leads if you get killed? by a cs user? you get mad and your guild cant kill him bc he have 50% charms +extenders on, This last patch is leading to a fully stressing time while some1 is in abyss.


Am sorry for some typos or any bad wrong typed

And to be honest YES cash shop items like Extenders/crit suits/charms only make one thing. UNBALANCE gameplay

[frickity]

That sparks an amazing question.. Why doesn't outspark make a proposal of updates to the players and let them all vote on it before deciding to implement the change?

EDIT: Furthermore advertise the release of the new poll server wide just like they advertise BUY MORE SPARKCASH!! PLAY REMI!!

"New update proposals have been released, place your vote now!"

[Wolfdevil007]

Yes absolutely, why do we have to suffer first the consecuences until Outspark discovers their patch was a total fail, and only promoted to buy more spark cash, w/o getting worried about the ppl tht cant aford tht many cs items even some of them qutting until this get fixed?

Also WHY Outspark didnt announce some *extra changes* did with this patch?

[Corpse65]

Another is that the dex/evasion was reduced on br monsters, don't have to use aim scrolls to effectively hit/kill them any more

[Wolfdevil007]

Well dex/evasion on BR mobs was a bugg Corpse, so now you are able to hit them i consider a + to the patch, but the other stuff absolutely a fail

[CSR_Joker]

OK scr i maked another post at general discuss, but since u say here lets do it here ill paste that all



Thanks for your message.

I don't think you will be happy with my response since I don't really have any answers for you. I will ask our GM team and Fiesta help to read this thread and try to answer your questions. CSRs handle anything related to accounts and billing, Scam, hack reports etc. Game and event questions are handled by our GMs and Fiesta Help.

Some of this stuff might also require some time since we have another channel of communication with the developers that takes time due to time difference and geographical location, so please be patient and don't expect answers right away.

[CSR_Joker]

When you are done answering this Question i would like to know WHY when outspark makes ALL the updates you dont ask ppl about it, i mean we are the ones who play it , dont we?


We welcome feedback at all times, before and after a patch release. there are feedback forum areas, bug reporting and troubleshooting area here where we look for your feedback.


And almost all of the time when a new patch is added, it only drives us into buying Cash shop items (i know nobody forces us to buy them)
An example with this last patch, in abyss when a high lvl comes , how is the only way, if you are alone to defend your self, is buying charms? maybe extenders, or wht leads if you get killed? by a cs user? you get mad and your guild cant kill him bc he have 50% charms +extenders on, This last patch is leading to a fully stressing time while some1 is in abyss.


The latest PVP restriction changes were made by a decision of our management. We are reading your feedback and others and taking it back to our management. So keep posting your opinions and we will make sure they are aware of it. Maybe this will change maybe not but at least you know you're being heard.


Am sorry for some typos or any bad wrong typed


No problem, I think we can make out what you're trying to say.

That sparks an amazing question.. Why doesn't outspark make a proposal of updates to the players and let them all vote on it before deciding to implement the change?

EDIT: Furthermore advertise the release of the new poll server wide just like they advertise BUY MORE SPARKCASH!! PLAY REMI!!

"New update proposals have been released, place your vote now!"

That's not going to happen. Most of our updates are already driven by users feedback, since we work on the next update based on what we need to fix, change or add. once the update is released then we will collect feedback, not before.

Yes absolutely, why do we have to suffer first the consecuences until Outspark discovers their patch was a total fail, and only promoted to buy more spark cash, w/o getting worried about the ppl tht cant aford tht many cs items even some of them qutting until this get fixed?


OK, let's make sure we all understand this. You are playing a FREE TO PLAY game. SparkCash and Items are the tools that allow us to run this service. They are going to happen on a regular basis REGARDLESS of any patch, update, hurricane or earthquake. So please don't mix this with other issues as they are totally separate. If we don't promote our new items and SparkCash incentives then eventually you guys and gals don't play the game.


Also WHY Outspark didnt announce some *extra changes* did with this patch?

We announce our updates as soon as we release the patch like we always do. not before the patch, we may make an exception and announce before but usually we announce after we release the patch.

Thanks.

[greenpappy]

Joker, would you know if no drops in Lv 20 abyss is a permanent feature?

[CSR_Joker]

greenpappy:

Level 20 abyss has drops actually , we did not remove it. What we did is reduce the frequency of the drops. it drops but rarely, this was an intended change. Is it going to be this way forever? not sure, for now that's how it is. We may change it again later.

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

csr joker i have some acc issues problem, u think u can open ur pm or send me a pm with another acc u have please?

[Wolfdevil007]

Well thanks for answering some of our questions but somethings should change , like for exmaple how about you guys have the patch ready and not install it untill having a poll about the new feautures
so you can make sure will be a total succes, at this moment more than the 50% of gamers arent happy with these patch at all
Also i agree on announcing all the changes done by the patchs but, am still waitting to be announced one of the updates on thes elast patch and tht is the stats changed on Earings, they arent giving % any longer they just add 10+ eva / aim points (when its 1%) wich is totally different from the way it was.

And you say about feedback before and after the patch, well to get feedback before the patch its really hard with so low on time Outspark tells us about a new patch.


Also i would like to know whats wrong with some buggs keep on this game and its been a long time and havent even announced the current status, they were even deleted from Bugg reporting
One of them is the current bugg def/dmg from December last year, we got our DMG/DEF lowered, it appeared *on* for a couple months , then just dissapeared, and nobody have from outspark have given us any kind of explanation to what happened to this bugg

[CSR_Joker]

csr joker i have some acc issues problem, u think u can open ur pm or send me a pm with another acc u have please?

You can send us questions or feedback at support@outspark.com. My team will respond to you promptly, usually within 24 hours or based on the volume of messages we handle. I personally answer some of those as well. Send us email!

Well thanks for answering some of our questions but somethings should change , like for exmaple how about you guys have the patch ready and not install it untill having a poll about the new feautures
so you can make sure will be a total succes, at this moment more than the 50% of gamers arent happy with these patch at all


This is not going to happen. Even if we agree with it, the way our updates are carried out does not allow for last minute changes. Remember we are a publisher and the developers are in Korea.


Also i agree on announcing all the changes done by the patchs but, am still waitting to be announced one of the updates on thes elast patch and tht is the stats changed on Earings, they arent giving % any longer they just add 10+ eva / aim points (when its 1%) wich is totally different from the way it was.


What earrings are we talking about? what type so i can ask the GM or look it up.


And you say about feedback before and after the patch, well to get feedback before the patch its really hard with so low on time Outspark tells us about a new patch.


Feedback most likely AFTER the patch. then we will report the feedback and they can consider future adjustments where necessary.


Also i would like to know whats wrong with some buggs keep on this game and its been a long time and havent even announced the current status, they were even deleted from Bugg reporting
One of them is the current bugg def/dmg from December last year, we got our DMG/DEF lowered, it appeared *on* for a couple months , then just dissapeared, and nobody have from outspark have given us any kind of explanation to what happened to this bugg

I'm not sure I understand this. What exactly are you talking about? Was this on an old thread that was removed? Please explain.

[Corpse65]

Sort of curious on why there was an addition onto the abyss that you lose xp when you enter abyss and are killed by another player, I get that its probably due to enhance the idea that the abyss is a dangerous place which is made up for by the drop rates, but if high levels are allowed to enter lower and lower enter higher is it truly fair to the lower levels? Yesterday after this patch was implemented I went to tr normally expecting to make some money when i went in to see my fellow 7X players "guarding" our/the abyss from anyone under level 70.
If possible do you think you would be able to tell me if this will be reverted back, or at least reduce the level range that has been allowed by this reason patch. I understand if you are not allowed to release any info on this due to the confidentially agreement you most likely signed with outspark but any insight would be appreciated ^^

Sorry if this is confusing tried to make it as simple as possible.

[KateeHellen]

"The Empire Strikes Back"...
I see that any meritoric discusion here is pointless because i am too tired to play russian roulette whit OS staff and put whole thread at danger to closing up because some of my posts might be consider as "staff harassment".
I wish all Good night.

[Wolfdevil007]

Sure The earings i am talking about are the ones tht have 1% aim or 1% evasion sometimes 1 % eva and 1% aim (also they can be with 2% on each stat) , but with the new patch it has been changed, Now the earings doesnt add 1% it adds 10 evasion points or 10 aim points, (the earings tht use to add 2% to eva or aim or both now only add 20 points to the stat)



Now the bugg am refering to, is one bugg from a long time ago, And it happened the maintenance day for cap raise 59~79, we all players in fiesta got the Defense and Dmage reduced in a big amount, since then we have been waitting for these bugg to be fixed, then with some time and after a few months the bugg report of about these problem disappeared, while it was the current bug *on*

[almemento]

For that 1% to be +10, you would need 1000 aim. For 2% to be +20, you would need 2000 aim.

[Wolfdevil007]

Not really actualy depends on your build and even if you would be right, is not the even the subject am talking to CSR_Joker , so please read again

[greenpappy]

greenpappy:

Level 20 abyss has drops actually , we did not remove it. What we did is reduce the frequency of the drops. it drops but rarely, this was an intended change. Is it going to be this way forever? not sure, for now that's how it is. We may change it again later.

I killed over 50 mobs with my lv 25 archer last night and didn't get a single thing dropped, is this as rare as it was intended? Thank you for replying.

[almemento]

You say it depends on the build, but any bonuses from free stats are not reflected in the main character window, and are thus freestanding. However, what I said may not be entirely correct, if the values presented as percentages went into the free stat 'mixer' (like the critical boost does).

I don't see what I'm missing when you say read again though. You mentioned the earrings changing so I made a post about it. If you are referring to asking him about the bug in your second paragraph, then my post makes no reference to it, nor do I intend to make one in relation to it.

[Wolfdevil007]

You are absolutely wrong , first place i dont have 1000 and when i had earings 1% aim, it added me more than 10 aim, and yes the IN BUILD helps you add the %, please next time research bit more before saying such things without sence, while the more % you are to your in build it adds you extra eva/aim, and i have to say it again? i am not even talking about it, period , my point if way other thing far from what you are trying to acomplish

[Cherushi]

CSR_Joker
- I'm a bit confused, what's the purpose of the sudden change for this ? Abyss was a map that allows player killing and to balance off that risk was higher rewards like higher drop and exp, was it not? Why then the sudden decrease in drop rate? Now,one loses twice as much exp when getting killed from someone in Abyss, the risk in going to abyss, is much higher, why then the sudden decrease in drops and fewer mobs especially for the L7x and 8x abyss? What are you trying to do by decreasing the benefits of Abyss and increasing the risks? (higher levels can go to lower level areas, exp loss when killed by a player)

I'm really confused.

Also I would like to ask here, why do the patch notes always leave somethings out? That is okay, I'm sure you can't post every detail of the changes, however when players do notice such changes, can we expect please a clarification if that's a bug or an intentional change? Is that so hard to do? I believe that would be very helpful to lessen the frustration of the players, and would help us cope with the changes brought about every new update.

This lack of clarification or confirmation about certain changes I observed have happened a lot of times. I can give a list of changes that were never confirmed or simply ignored by Outspark, to which I really can't understand why you do that... Players report these changes, but you just ignore them.. We're not asking you to fix it immediately, but a little confirmation if this was bug or not, is something we would really appreciate.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to rant, but it's been a thing that has been really disappointing in your part and adds to the frustration of players. I don't mean to simply bash at Outspark, but I'm pointing out something you could improve on... hopefully.

[almemento]

Having fun trying to be condescending? And it is perfectly possible to make sense while not being correct on a subject, by the way. And on that topic, your last sentence makes little.

Of course your build helps you add to your aim and evasion. What would be the point otherwise. The point I was making (and even said that I didn't know - when you suggested originally that I was wrong) was that if the 1% affects your base aim (and evasion - excluded hereof) then 1000 aim would be needed for that 1% to equate to adding 10 - 1% of 1000 is 10. However, if that 1% adds to the percentage displayed in free stats, the increase it would be different, as:

105% x 101% x ### != 106% x ###

Or if the percentage is a pure chance value rather than a multiplier of sorts, it would have a different effect again.

The above was really more thinking aloud, rather than anything else. If you would like to fill me out in more detail, and show me why I am wrong, feel free. However, seeing as this seems to have got you quite vexed already, take the opportunity to decline, should you so wish.

[Wolfdevil007]

dude wow i think you still dont understand, go check the IN BUILD STATS the add the earings stats, then add THEN CLOTHE DEX stats, and then remove the earing and see the diference mmmmmkay?
i think tht is the easiest way for you to understand :) have fun
Now go bugg some1 else for real, first you arent right and second you are OFF TOPIC :) so please next time read the Thread name before posting something, Thank for your wasted time in here tho

[almemento]

No point in flogging a dead horse.

[adudefellfast]

The earrings that added '1%' added +10 and the earrings that added '2%' added +20. If you had tried it before the patch, you would have realized this. They were never % based to begin with. All they have done is place on the earrings an accurate description of what the earrings do now. If you don't believe me, don't bother quoting me on it. I won't respond anyway.


But for the main topic at hand here (the changed topic, since that's the direction this thread has moved to), I'd really like to hear the answers to the most recent questions asked of the powers that be. Most of them I've wanted to know myself, and it's a little relieving to know the administrators of this game may care a little more for their clients than admins of other games do (since it's always the case in other games that admins won't ever actually communicate with their clients until they've screwed up).


That bug that reduces our defense/damage will most likely never be fixed. If it were to be fixed, it could have easily been done when it was placed as a 'bug' in the forums back then. I believe it would be a few simple lines of code, or at the very most, a few equations to be changed. It was changed intentionally, whether they want to fess up to it or not, and as such it will not be 'fixed'...(though I'd really like it if I could NOT be near one hitted (4k hp?!) by a charmed barely higher level warrior even with my fairly decent equipment as a mage).

[crystalorbie]

Ok... I think I understand 2 of the issues that CSR Joker hasn't answered...

The earrings thing: Normally listed as such in the highlight box:

(you know, the one that appears when the mouse is over the item in question)

Critical +2%
Aim +2%
Evasion +1%
MaxHP +100
MaxSP +100

or some similar varient. Now however, it looks more like this:

Critical +2%
Aim +20
Evasion +10
MaxHP +100
MaxSP +100

That is now what the highlight box looks like.

My guess, they want to know is that boost to Aim and Evasion a direct point boost, a percentage boost, or something entirely different?

Now to the dmg/def bug...

As someone said a couple posts back, during december of last year there was a bug/change in programming that caused everyone's damage and defense values to drop, though STR and END stayed the same. Meaning everyone took more damage, and everyone but mages now dealt less damage. (unless the mage was using thier basic attack to hack away with thier weapon, but the difference was probobly too small to notice)

Supposedly, it turned from being an accidental (this was long ago, please be kind enough not to have me stand trial on this) to being by design, and was apparently never fixed.

I don't know if this is completely true since I don't track every little stat change possible, but it seems to be the case because people time how long it takes to kill something or be killed by something.

Anyways... some other things I noticed...

---People lose exp in abyss now even if another player gets the last hit. combine that with even higher leveled people being able to enter... I think it can now be harrassment to kill someone else there. (the reason I say that is because before the summer, the main case of harrassment in the abyss was causing other players to lose exp by "helping" the monsters the other players were fighting, but making sure the monsters got the last hit)

---The level limit removal for the dungeons: in Bijou at least, I have yet to see the fears of people here come to fruition. That being that major farming would happen. I have gone into the 2 lowest ones, to help my friends who were having trouble there, but other players were just surprised until I explained how I got in, then they didn't care.

---The Lanturn Souls and abyss item drop rates: I understand that you want people to work for thier event items, but come on... I had to fight about 100 monsters to get 3 souls, and as a cleric that takes forever. (I know your answer is to party, but then the others will take all the lanturn souls and I get nothing... it always happens that way to me) For Abyss drop rates, they do seem more rare than you intended, except that the rate of dropping silver ore seems higher than dropping anything else. (in the level 50 abyss anyways)

---A random question: How long will this halloween event last? I'd like enough time to get all the souls needed for the black cat mask at least, and buying them is out of the question (since people are putting ridiculus prices based on the rarity of them... average 40 silver per soul I think in Bijou, and 40 * 300 is too much gold for me to spend, since I don't have that much)

---Just my opinion, but I liked the name "Masic Staff" before you guys changed it to "Magic Staff". (this being a monster in moonlight tomb, if anyone forgot or came after they fixed it) It's just my personal opinion though... as I just like saying "Masic" over "Magic".

I think I covered everything... for the moment anyways.

[Wolfdevil007]

Well thank you for posting something IN TOPIC, however i dont not look for any foward argue with persons tht doesnt share my idea and concept about eva /aim added by %,
Well now we guess iwll have to wait for CSR answer




Ok... I think I understand 2 of the issues that CSR Joker hasn't answered...

The earrings thing: Normally listed as such in the highlight box:

(you know, the one that appears when the mouse is over the item in question)

Critical +2%
Aim +2%
Evasion +1%
MaxHP +100
MaxSP +100

or some similar varient. Now however, it looks more like this:

Critical +2%
Aim +20
Evasion +10
MaxHP +100
MaxSP +100

That is now what the highlight box looks like.

My guess, they want to know is that boost to Aim and Evasion a direct point boost, a percentage boost, or something entirely different?

Now to the dmg/def bug...

As someone said a couple posts back, during december of last year there was a bug/change in programming that caused everyone's damage and defense values to drop, though STR and END stayed the same. Meaning everyone took more damage, and everyone but mages now dealt less damage. (unless the mage was using thier basic attack to hack away with thier weapon, but the difference was probobly too small to notice)

Supposedly, it turned from being an accidental (this was long ago, please be kind enough not to have me stand trial on this) to being by design, and was apparently never fixed.

I don't know if this is completely true since I don't track every little stat change possible, but it seems to be the case because people time how long it takes to kill something or be killed by something.

Anyways... some other things I noticed...

---People lose exp in abyss now even if another player gets the last hit. combine that with even higher leveled people being able to enter... I think it can now be harrassment to kill someone else there. (the reason I say that is because before the summer, the main case of harrassment in the abyss was causing other players to lose exp by "helping" the monsters the other players were fighting, but making sure the monsters got the last hit)

---The level limit removal for the dungeons: in Bijou at least, I have yet to see the fears of people here come to fruition. That being that major farming would happen. I have gone into the 2 lowest ones, to help my friends who were having trouble there, but other players were just surprised until I explained how I got in, then they didn't care.

---The Lanturn Souls and abyss item drop rates: I understand that you want people to work for thier event items, but come on... I had to fight about 100 monsters to get 3 souls, and as a cleric that takes forever. (I know your answer is to party, but then the others will take all the lanturn souls and I get nothing... it always happens that way to me) For Abyss drop rates, they do seem more rare than you intended, except that the rate of dropping silver ore seems higher than dropping anything else. (in the level 50 abyss anyways)

---A random question: How long will this halloween event last? I'd like enough time to get all the souls needed for the black cat mask at least, and buying them is out of the question (since people are putting ridiculus prices based on the rarity of them... average 40 silver per soul I think in Bijou, and 40 * 300 is too much gold for me to spend, since I don't have that much)

---Just my opinion, but I liked the name "Masic Staff" before you guys changed it to "Magic Staff". (this being a monster in moonlight tomb, if anyone forgot or came after they fixed it) It's just my personal opinion though... as I just like saying "Masic" over "Magic".

I think I covered everything... for the moment anyways.

[RikoRain]

- You can now click on other players and mobs while you are in your mini-house


Eh you could do that before by right clicking. You could also click people too far away by right clicking.

- Drop rate outside abyss also drastically decreased.
- Green drop rate drastically decreased
And heres a new one:
- EXP CHANGES WHEN IN PT
(BUT! Now it doesnt matter if theyre near you or not. Before, if they werent near you, you still got solo exp, but now if youre in a pt and theyre nowhere near you, your exp decreases. Had a friend today trying to grind in BR who got lowered exp when she joined a kq pt early, even tho the rest of us were in Eldy).

[cloudjames]

---People lose exp in abyss now even if another player gets the last hit. combine that with even higher leveled people being able to enter... I think it can now be harrassment to kill someone else there. (the reason I say that is because before the summer, the main case of harrassment in the abyss was causing other players to lose exp by "helping" the monsters the other players were fighting, but making sure the monsters got the last hit)

---The level limit removal for the dungeons: in Bijou at least, I have yet to see the fears of people here come to fruition. That being that major farming would happen. I have gone into the 2 lowest ones, to help my friends who were having trouble there, but other players were just surprised until I explained how I got in, then they didn't care.

Post your comments and opinions here.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123016
CLs wants minimal thread regarding this patch.
Not new thread that repeats things over and over again


---The Lanturn Souls and abyss item drop rates: I understand that you want people to work for thier event items, but come on... I had to fight about 100 monsters to get 3 souls, and as a cleric that takes forever. (I know your answer is to party, but then the others will take all the lanturn souls and I get nothing... it always happens that way to me) For Abyss drop rates, they do seem more rare than you intended, except that the rate of dropping silver ore seems higher than dropping anything else. (in the level 50 abyss anyways)

Erm... if you are in party, set to Sequential Allocation? o.o Fair enough? o.O

You are getting very close to a forum suspension with the way you post. Please cool down and send your concerns about specific people to their PM box or to our management via support@outspark.com

If you continue this kind of rant with personal attacks and staff harassment on the forum i will suspend your access. You have been warned.
Sure, we can make a conversation within reason. Keep in mind that we may not know the answer to some questions due to various reasons including features still being worked on at the developer level or things , not finalized, that we plan to release later that may affect the answer to the question, etc.

LOL.
Ok Off topic:
Haven't got a chance yet but... LOL

I would love to see CSR_Joker in game ROFL.
Seen a few post by him, the way he answer to ranting/flaming post...
Love it. ROFL.

[crystalorbie]

That sequential alocation doesn't help much, I usually end up with the crummy items somehow (and if I see someone counting the rotation, I just speed collect everything to throw them off)

I figured I'd post everything I thought of here, since CSR Joker had already responded to this thread, and appeared that he might do so again. I rarely create new threads so don't worry about that from me.

[cloudjames]

That sequential alocation doesn't help much, I usually end up with the crummy items somehow (and if I see someone counting the rotation, I just speed collect everything to throw them off)


I know I can understand that. >.<
Oher options could be, partying more with closer friends in game? ^^ It's gonna be hard to get all the Quest items. The reward is not too bad so a little bit more of hard work will be worthwhile for you since that mask is permanent. ^^ xD


I figured I'd post everything I thought of here, since CSR Joker had already responded to this thread, and appeared that he might do so again. I rarely create new threads so don't worry about that from me.

No. Not worrying. just thought you should re-post it again on that thread since it is announced official and has been sticky, so I believe that the GM/GL are most likely gathering all the information and opinions all from that thread. (Due to their tight schedule they might not read all threads. xD)

^^

[Rzpect]

i've seen Joker in game...same personality..
and why can't we talk about staffs? is that against "Freedom of Speech" o-O
we are giving opinions on HOW to make u guys BETTER
because there were too many positive threads...they make u guys think "oh oh we are good, we are so pro, we shud lay down and chill and buy games from other companies to make more money, who cares about the other players from other games"
its time to get things straighten up. Don't let Dakkon the only one who was doing everything for you guys. Now OS is a tree w/o roots... start fresh now.

[hemmes]

Im against freedom of speech.

We cant blacklist people, that includes staff. We cant have a contest about who we like most either. I think this is fair. Some people get so **** off by what happends in game, they go vent and insult cl's who cant do anything about it.

[DF001]

this is probably a bug, everytime my fighter levels in a shroom his hp won't restore but if I unshroom and shroom again, hp restores again. (I was being plvled in the case you ask how i managed to kill a mob with a shroom)

[KateeHellen]

I really wish that atleast for one time OS take off thier businessman hats and start to wear player hats...
And hemmes CLs only fail victims of community angers because staff is lacking of courage to show up and explain what they have on thier minds when they apply this downdate.
Even her Joker agree to show up UNDER PRECONDITIONS OF NO NEGATIVE POSTS.
"Lets talk about harvesting of peanuts in Kongo" in other words... guys this is not how crisis should be handled.
I will very welcome any discussion about future updates AFTER resolving current crisis, now staff still pretend that nothing is happend but that is a lie.
Honestly soon or later situation in abbysses will self clear <but in very negative way> but free access to dungeons <like was pointed in other threads> made finishing boss quests impossible to finish unless we start infinite Guild wars just to secure area for guild members who need such boss for thier quests, but who known maybe that is what they have in mind <more CS income>.
Then lot more easier will be add open PK system to Fiesta <even more CS income>.
I think that it is time to abandon "Fiestanic" before she sink definetly...
By the way "Fiestanic" already have hole after collision whit iceberg <server move> but instead to secure flooded sectors you guys just launch "Long Lance" torpedo making situation worse...
I envy your good mood but soon water will enter dining room but then it is will be too late for any rescue.
I wish you Good Day anyway.

[Wolfdevil007]

well all i see is silence again......
Nothing have happened and i dont see more answers.
Thank you CSR_Joker for the help, but is not enought, and am pretty sure almost all of the readers and players agree on it, if doesnt i apologize, but thts my point of view

[Cherushi]

Mhmm, maybe their lack of reply is because 'tis Halloween after all. I'm pretty sure the staff have their own errands or stuff to take care of, I believe once this season passes, they'd be able to give a reply ... hopefully. >.<"

[KateeHellen]

Mhmm, maybe their lack of reply is because 'tis Halloween after all. I'm pretty sure the staff have their own errands or stuff to take care of, I believe once this season passes, they'd be able to give a reply ... hopefully. >.<"

I doubt.
Look at this thread, Joker was here but after first negative post he just back off and not show anymore <and they have plenty of time after patch introduction" to respond.>.
But no... instead answering at our concerns they start threathing to suspend or even ban from forum anyone who will dare to criticize them.
Now we have another two happy days to endure in Fiesta without single word from staff...
I think thier businessman hats are too comfortable to take them off and start to wear gamer hats and honestly if i have spark of hope that previous crisises will teach staff how to not act in such situations then now i finally wake up, but that is not pleasant awakening...

[lenore_lurks]

But it's also the weekend. They don't work on weekends. Plus, this isn't the first time we've had a patch dumped on us over a time period where nothing can be done about it. It is the famous Outspark Dump 'n' Run technique!! :O lol.

I of course say this in a humerous light... but such things can often ring true at times, dontcha think? XD

[KateeHellen]

But it's also the weekend. They don't work on weekends. Plus, this isn't the first time we've had a patch dumped on us over a time period where nothing can be done about it. It is the famous Outspark Dump 'n' Run technique!! :O lol.

I of course say this in a humerous light... but such things can often ring true at times, dontcha think? XD

You are very correct :).
Like i post early, game "evolution" will clear situation in abbyses <perhaps in dark side way but will> but my biggest concerns are dungeon areas and unability to finish dungeon quests because some XX<---- insert inproper level here ;)> in for example Marlone Hideout <by the way i started my hideout quests at my archer> just from boriness kill all KMs...
So this patch was nothing more as very smelly "kinder Supprise" egg dumped by OnsOnSoft to Fiesta.

[booyah8876]

Or how about I'm sure they reported things to Korea, and now they're just waiting? Korea has got 5 versions of the game to take care of, I don't think they would be able to see:

"Oh wow you're players aren't liking that let me cancel all other operations I have, and fix that one problem!"

If it's not taken care of, then it's obviously how the Koreans wanted it... this isn't the only version that had the abyss cap range change.

[KateeHellen]

Or how about I'm sure they reported things to Korea, and now they're just waiting? Korea has got 5 versions of the game to take care of, I don't think they would be able to see:

"Oh wow you're players aren't liking that let me cancel all other operations I have, and fix that one problem!"

If it's not taken care of, then it's obviously how the Koreans wanted it... this isn't the only version that had the abyss cap range change.

I see you Still believe in OS BUT i am not believe them anymore... beside even if they resend info to Korea was is SO DIFICULT to make server vide announcement "We are current discus issues whit developers, Please be patience" or show at patch feedback thread just to calm down situation ?
Furthermore Joker stance at this particular thread only confirm my suspect that they will not bother whit our current problems until they will have constant income from CS...
This update is too illogical considering such factor as 1 XP cap at all monsters over +30 <he is still active> and now i only wait for a patch whit full PK system adding to Fiesta... [SARCASM] Godly income from CS cookies sale[/SARCASM?]

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

And Csr joker never responded ever again, how long shall we wait?

[Bueawa]

Don't necro man...

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

dude read 1st then talk, im asking for csr joker and pointing to respond what he promised 2

[YoshimaruOrona]

I'm not reading a necro'd thread >.>

Look, if you want someone to answer something send a ticket (A CSR -has- to respond to those). Nobody's obligated to answer anything here, as we've OBVIOUSLY seen on these forums countless times.

They either hold out on information, never disclose it, or don't know the answer. Oh well. Deal with it. Hold whatever grudge you feel like, but there's no reason to necro threads. ~_~

[lolyina]

I'm not reading a necro'd thread >.>

Look, if you want someone to answer something send a ticket (A CSR -has- to respond to those). Nobody's obligated to answer anything here, as we've OBVIOUSLY seen on these forums countless times.

They either hold out on information, never disclose it, or don't know the answer. Oh well. Deal with it. Hold whatever grudge you feel like, but there's no reason to necro threads. ~_~

xD Agreed.

[Celtic_Princess]

Hades,

You've been around long enough to know that 'searching' for an answer in this manner...by violating forum rules...doesn't help your situation.

You have been informed any number of times that the list of skills on fiestaonline.net isn't specific to our version of the game. We are not guaranteed to get it at the level they list, with the same cooldowns or power that they list, or even get it at all.

You were also told that you were welcome to recreate the topic as long as you and others kept your posts respectful. I would suggest doing that instead of heading down the path you're on now.

[Closed]