PvP rules GMs plz read

[deedee479]

IF U DO NOT AGREE PLZ POST Y

common sense and common certousy Rules of pvp i thing these r a bit reasonable more or less


THESE FOR FREE PVP
1). if ppl are Dueling and wish to 1 on 1 . do not but in i think thats fair enough to ask


2) if some one asks u to stop plz just out of kindness stop.


3) NO KOS pz that just not fair to other players that wish to 1 on 1 or pvp their friends.(PLZ TAKE TO GUILD PVP SINCE IT'S SAME GUILD ALWAYS DOING IT TY)

4) if you kill some one find a cleric to revie them thats just common certousy

and 5) this is a big on NO CUSSING.

ADD: another on 6) no reviving and killing over and over (rez spam) not fair to players

other then this kill freely have fun.
i just think this is fair and help keep it fun and fair too all.

[notFire]

i have to agree with all you said, Alk, in an ideal world, that would be a great set of rules for every player to follow.

Then again, IDEAL, is exactly the word to use to describe your post. Despite the common courtesies of PVP, there will always be those bad apples that will defy the rules of ettiquette. The only solution I have noticed to be effective is to set a good example to other players, and just pray it has an effect.

Unless a GM is constantly patrolling the PVP arena, these rules will never be able to be STRICTLY enforced. Sad but true...

+rep for a good post though, it's nice to see other well known members of the community making a positive stance on PVP ettiquette.

[deedee479]

TY fire i just thought give it a try

[dylanangel]

For free PVP yes I agree with all

[deoxys114]

+ Rep time. I agree with it all. But if it wasn't for a Sin KoSing in PvP today, I wouldn't of had the best time in PvP today.

[deedee479]

KOS since it seems to be the same guild doing it can we take it to a diff pvp room

[deoxys114]

I just sent this to Solstice_Help, hoping to get some feedback. Hoping even more for some positive feedback.

I've thinking for a while, and I would love if these could be added to the game.

Level divided PvP

This has probably already been sent, but I, and many others, would love for there to be divided PvP based on level. Ever since PvP opened, there has been non-stop KoSing (Killing on Sight), and just high level players killing low level players. It would help so much for it to be divided. For example, levels 1-20, 21-40, 41-60, 61-80, 81-100, 101+. Of course there could still be Free PvP, where any level could go.

[killermandeath]

its kinda sad when u in there haveing fun and u got 2 guilds knowng there way higher comeing in and killing every 1 just cause they can and not even giveing u a chance to fight back and they dont fight each other

[deedee479]

yes deoxy i agree and keep free pvp but add lvl pvp

CAN WE GET A SHOP GUY IN PVP TOO
wit pots , revive and items player need for attacks


T^T i am so happy so many ppl agree ty guys

[flippers]

i agree ^^, well said alk :3 :D

[poochyenarulez]

i would like to see a duel arena so you can have 1 on 1 matches without interference because alot of people will see an acolyte getting hit so people will attack the person i'm dueling >.>

[Ginto]

i do agree but you might want to add dont jsut shout at a aco/cleric "GET OVER HERE AND RES ME!!!" cus ive seen that a couple times but yes i aggre with everything.

[notFire]

To All the Readers of this thread, I will post this here as I see it is relevant.

Do not stand for bullying.
Do not stand for res-killing.

Fight back and show you wont be bullied. Why do people break PVP ettiquette? Because we let it happen. Because we allow it and think "they are so powerful, they will kill us too."

Well, thats probably true in some cases, but to those who try, it will be seen, and others will see it, and like any trend, it will catch on.

Do not be afraid of such bullies! If you stand and fight, you will eventually be heard!

[deedee479]

yes i agree with fire very strongly....see GMs some ppl do go a bit to far wit pvp yes it's to kill ppl but it should be fun

not a bullying ground....this isn't 1st grade we are all older let treat others wit respect and as we want to be treated

[catry]

The problem is open PvP pits players of all levels and motives against each other...so it's basically anarchy right now xD And unfortunately people like to use "It's PvP" as an excuse to taunt and harass other players.

Rules would really help! I would also love to see the old level-separated arenas opened up too.

[Nights_Fang]

Agrees with everything alk said.

[thrakx]

this is a good idea, but i mean cmon....do you really think that anyone is going to listen as long as theres no "official" rules? No they wont.
Also im sure staff doesnt have time to put 1 GM in the arena at all times, plus have them answering all questions, and making presence known in towns.

I applaud your effort alk i really do, but I dont think it will go anywhere.

PS: all the things you said there should be rules for, are the EXACT reasons why I dont EVER want to PvP at ALL unless there is a MAJOR overhaul in the system.

[deedee479]

thrakx agrees wit me......we know that i'm right and yws i know it won't happen

[opensunflowers]

I think having a separate system of "normal" PvP is needed to fix all of the complaints around the current Normal PvP arena.
I said "fix the complaints" specifically because really, I don't think it's needed to improve the game. If people were just curteous to each other...we wouldn't even have this problem.

So I'm thinking there'd be

Normal Pvp
+Normal PvP (1-40?)
+Normal PvP (41-75?)
+Normal PvP (76+?)
++Normal PvP (100+??) (for all the high level people who want to be undisturbed by newbs? I don't know >_> Probably not this one, but the three before this seem appropriate I think))
Guild PvP
Party PvP

[ggBuRNe]

I think having a separate system of "normal" PvP is needed to fix all of the complaints around the current Normal PvP arena.
I said "fix the complaints" specifically because really, I don't think it's needed to improve the game. If people were just curteous to each other...we wouldn't even have this problem.

So I'm thinking there'd be

Normal Pvp
+Normal PvP (1-40?)
+Normal PvP (41-75?)
+Normal PvP (76+?)
++Normal PvP (100+??) (for all the high level people who want to be undisturbed by newbs? I don't know >_> Probably not this one, but the three before this seem appropriate I think))
Guild PvP
Party PvP

What if those high level players made strong alt character at each level range and KoS?? Hmm.. well at least within the given range above, other players can fight back and make pvp more interesting..

I do prefer level range as I want to train my neo, scout and squire against all classes in low level pvp.. This is a great idea but I doubt they will focus on this matter at the moment.. Nonetheless this is a great idea to stop from bored high level players to kill anybody they want.. Hey, not all high level players are evil or kill anybody they want.. I can say the one who do those thing most of the time is Assassin or rogue class.. Most high level players respect 1 v 1 duel and i said "MOST" not all.. We also don't want to get disturbed when we dueling or partying fight.. Not everyone have the courtesy to do what alk said and not everyone care for others in cyber world.. Everyone is different and not all of them are nice..

As for GM patrolling the Arena, I don't think that will happen AT ALL.. They need to sleep, they have tons of important work at the office and they have a family and life..

[dylanangel]

I for one have never gone to pvp and beat up on a character that was tons of levels below me. I don't see the point in picking on someone who can't IMO really defend themselves.
I have seen people do this and as much as I would like to "deal" with them myself I am one person.
I appreciate all the people who are kind enough to come up to you and request a duel instead of just attack you. IMO you don't look like a bigger person because you can PWN in pvp. You just look like a bully.

The sad fact is we won't get a GM to sit in PVP. We are all adults (or should be ;) ) and should act like it. I don't go to pvp anymore because its not fun. I wish there was something they could come up with that would make pvp a fun place to go. If you guys have suggestions let me hear em written up in PM and I will be happy to talk about it at our next council meeting. They are taking your suggestions and they are listening to you. Lets show them that this community is worth working hard for.

[ggBuRNe]

I for one have never gone to pvp and beat up on a character that was tons of levels below me. I don't see the point in picking on someone who can't IMO really defend themselves.
I have seen people do this and as much as I would like to "deal" with them myself I am one person.
I appreciate all the people who are kind enough to come up to you and request a duel instead of just attack you. IMO you don't look like a bigger person because you can PWN in pvp. You just look like a bully.

The sad fact is we won't get a GM to sit in PVP. We are all adults (or should be ;) ) and should act like it. I don't go to pvp anymore because its not fun. I wish there was something they could come up with that would make pvp a fun place to go. If you guys have suggestions let me hear em written up in PM and I will be happy to talk about it at our next council meeting. They are taking your suggestions and they are listening to you. Lets show them that this community is worth working hard for.

I don't think pvp is fun anymore, heck even KoS is not fun.. I don't think implementing level range will solve the problem.. There will be players or group of players within the range that will conquer the arena.. Basically all ideas are useless IMO.. Dylan, there are no ways to make pvp fun for ALL.. However, I had so much fun yesterday when me/cdar (wiz party) vs sno/sai (sins party) and me/strider vs cdar/sno.. That was hell a good fight and FUN PVP.. Fighting with pure skills with no elixir no antidote.. Everything depends on skill, communication and teamwork.. PvP is fun if u make it fun.. Some people have fun bullying, dueling and some have fun healing and res-ing.. Same in reality life, you can't make everybody happy, same as in the game, in pvp or whatever..

[deoxys114]

Fight back and show you wont be bullied. Why do people break PVP ettiquette? Because we let it happen. Because we allow it and think "they are so powerful, they will kill us too."

Haha. A Sin and a Warrior were going around yesterday morning KoSing everyone. There wasn't that many ppl, mostly like 7 in all. But we got annoyed, and we got a group of 4 2nd tier classes to bring them down. We kept pwning them until an archer came and helped them. It was still great none the less.

[deedee479]

well if u look at who voted u will see murdock did and has seen this ty mur for atleast looking at this. so know guys atleast our voices were heard

[BloodLimit]

Level requirement would solve the problem, a 10 level gap is not the same as a 50+ level gap. Where i say that high levels pick on anything they see in the arena, noobs hang there the most and they are the same that complain.

Good thread but it wont happen, sorries.

[deedee479]

lol i have a death wish on my head for this at pvp more now has it out of me ^^ all good telling ppl not to rez me

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

I agreed with alk said, nice thread!

[Zarz5]

LOL dood its pk get over it

[deedee479]

^ who is that

[SyneX]

Weeeee~ go alk!!!
I agree and support it!
But I still bully >_>
But I look that they have full hp an I don't interfere into duels.

Atm Im stalking Kat xDDDD

- SyneX

[thrakx]

how about this idea? Just start a sign up sheet and start having some of US patrol the arena?

Get a dedicated and yes, bored, group of people INCLUDING higher levels and such, and then just have them stay in the arena in shifts KOSing ANYONE who is acting contrary to the will off the people.

Yeah its be tough to pull off but if they all knew each other it would be easy to call for backup and even an assassin or warrior will get themself pwnd if 20 people in their 80s ganged up on them just to prove a point.

Call it PvP patrol or something, make it a guild....IDK

what you think of that?

[blake3470]

how about this idea? Just start a sign up sheet and start having some of US patrol the arena?

Get a dedicated and yes, bored, group of people INCLUDING higher levels and such, and then just have them stay in the arena in shifts KOSing ANYONE who is acting contrary to the will off the people.

Yeah its be tough to pull off but if they all knew each other it would be easy to call for backup and even an assassin or warrior will get themself pwnd if 20 people in their 80s ganged up on them just to prove a point.

Call it PvP patrol or something, make it a guild....IDK

what you think of that?

Great idea! I already do something like that myself though on the lower levels. If someone randomly starts attacking someone else and that person doesn't like it....I pwn them.:D

[Trashknight]

The problem with creating a group for patrolling is to find trustworthy people who won't get corrupted, nor abuse their trusted position, and can perform their duty. ^_^'

Netiquette only works when a majority agrees on the "set" rules, otherwise what is there preventing genocide really? Most of it can be applied on yourself when it comes to this such as "Would you love to see someone twice your level trounce everytime you enter the arena?", "I love getting stabbed in the back when me and my opponent aren't bothering anyone", etc ,etc...

[foxmasterd]

Lol,

Common courtesy if you kill someone to have them revived?
Wow.
I'd prefer not to.

Now, I do agree that there should be no rez-killing.
Leave the SoS filter system with chat deal with cursing.

Finally, if someone says 'stop' you don't have to listen to them.
Its a choice.

[deedee479]

Lol,

Common courtesy if you kill someone to have them revived?
Wow.
I'd prefer not to.

Now, I do agree that there should be no rez-killing.
Leave the SoS filter system with chat deal with cursing.

Finally, if someone says 'stop' you don't have to listen to them.
Its a choice.

1) most ppl r cuss in pvp as i see

2) i was trying to leave but they kept hitting me i asked them to stop(as it has happened to many plays that then in turn makes them cuss) and this happens wit rez-killing(it all kinda goes together) some ppl r there to duel and others come alone and kill them even if they ask them to stop.


3) the reviving after killing is to save the player korn so they don't waste it coming in and out(and think u get to kill them again and they or u don't have to leave) i think fair enough
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thrakx i agree(was kinda thinking it myself) and would love to be one to do it but only can late nights and weekends so i'll take that time and do it ^^ ty for the idea man
and putting it out here for me *removed*

[dylanangel]

If you are being harassed in game or forums from a specific member or group please do not name them just get screenies and submit that information

[deedee479]

u couldn't answer my question tho....on where to put the other thread

[dylanangel]

Which thread?

[deedee479]

how about this idea? Just start a sign up sheet and start having some of US patrol the arena?

Get a dedicated and yes, bored, group of people INCLUDING higher levels and such, and then just have them stay in the arena in shifts KOSing ANYONE who is acting contrary to the will off the people.

Yeah its be tough to pull off but if they all knew each other it would be easy to call for backup and even an assassin or warrior will get themself pwnd if 20 people in their 80s ganged up on them just to prove a point.

Call it PvP patrol or something, make it a guild....IDK

what you think of that?




that one ^^^^^^^ yeah that one

[dylanangel]

I would not make a "sign in here to man the PVP arena" just yet. Unless these players are "officially put there by the GM's" your no better than the players who are KOSing in the PVP arena now

[deedee479]

true true *waits for gm to do so....really hates waiting*(has class now so knida have to )

[Zarz5]

Haha this thread makes me lol >.<
If you guys form some lame guild to bully people in the arena to submission to your rules than someone like me is going to form a guild against yours and in the end its going to be chaos.

[notFire]

Haha this thread makes me lol >.<
If you guys form some lame guild to bully people in the arena to submission to your rules than someone like me is going to form a guild against yours and in the end its going to be chaos.

this being what we are trying to avoid. Hence why this thread exists.

Lets not instigate any more issues, eh?

[Callypso]

I agree, alk.
But let's be honest, player-created rules that not everyone "signed" just aren't going to work. There will always be people who feel like they're above the rules and have the right to do whatever they want, anywhere, at any time.

PvP isn't a right. It's a privilege. Remember when our only PvP was at GM hosted events that happened... less and less often? We got the Free PvP arena because we wanted more than the events. It wasn't, and isn't, a required area for Solstice. Let's not ruin our gift.

Lol,

Common courtesy if you kill someone to have them revived?
Wow.
I'd prefer not to.

Now, I do agree that there should be no rez-killing.
Leave the SoS filter system with chat deal with cursing.

Finally, if someone says 'stop' you don't have to listen to them.
Its a choice.

Revival: Yes, actually, it is a courtesy. You may not want to be the acolyte/cleric that revives the pale yellow floating people, but some people actually like doing that. You may feel just fine with paying another 800 kron just to go in and back in and back in again after dying, but not everyone does.
Some people may agree with you; "Reviving isn't necessary." What I'm saying is, as far as I've seen, that's not the majority's opinion.

Cursing: The filter system doesn't cover everything. It doesn't cover every single form of the word. It doesn't cover the word if there are things added onto it - like periods, question marks, leet, commas, etc. - and I doubt anyone will take the time to add every single way you can form the word (and still make it apparent that you're swearing) into the filter. So NO, the chat filter is not enough.
Adding to that: Fine, if you want to curse, go ahead. But be ready for someone to screenshot it and send it in. Cursing is offensive to a lot of people, and it's against the Terms of Service (AKA the official OutSpark rules), so people won't hesitate to report.

Stop: So what you're saying is,
"I have a level 32 acolyte and there was a level 97 assassin attacking me. I asked him/her to stop, but they still killed me. Not a word of apology or anything on their behalf. But no, I don't find that rude at all.
THEN, when I was dueling someone and we were minding our own business, some 100+ people came and totally finished our duel for us. We told them we were dueling and that they should stop, but they ignored us. We were really getting close to the end, too. No, I don't find that rude or wrong at all."

.... That's not right. I really hope you see the problem with that. Yes, stopping requires the player to read the chat or look at what they're beating up to see the "Please stop" and then click somewhere else on the map. And yes, that requires a reaction out of the bully. But is that really that hard to do?

Haha this thread makes me lol >.<
If you guys form some lame guild to bully people in the arena to submission to your rules than someone like me is going to form a guild against yours and in the end its going to be chaos.

Probably true.
The thing is, if that PvP Patrol guild is made, that will be the anti-guild. We all know that's it basically one or two guilds that everyone thinks of when we think of PvP problem-causers. So they'd be the ones that are probably going to be most watched. Heck, they already are.

To anyone for the PvP Patrol guild: If you really want to avoid the guild-hating and guild-fighting because one is trying to keep the other in control, then the PvP Patrol shouldn't be created. Frankly, like Dylan said, it's just as bad. You'd be trying to do something good and ending up making the situation worse.

... Just my two cents.

[dylanangel]

Haha this thread makes me lol >.<
If you guys form some lame guild to bully people in the arena to submission to your rules than someone like me is going to form a guild against yours and in the end its going to be chaos.

You know I wish someone would come at me like that if I was officially appointed from a GM ;)

[raemrazr]

how about this idea? Just start a sign up sheet and start having some of US patrol the arena?

Get a dedicated and yes, bored, group of people INCLUDING higher levels and such, and then just have them stay in the arena in shifts KOSing ANYONE who is acting contrary to the will off the people.

Yeah its be tough to pull off but if they all knew each other it would be easy to call for backup and even an assassin or warrior will get themself pwnd if 20 people in their 80s ganged up on them just to prove a point.

Call it PvP patrol or something, make it a guild....IDK

what you think of that?


Banding a group of people for the sake of enforcing a set of principles set by the idealistic players...enforcing these rules via KoS. Would this not be doing the very same thing, in a sense, that you are trying to prevent? KoS in the name of "justice" seems to be the purpose of this idea, but by doing so, you are practicing the same actions as those in which you are against, KoSing KoS-ers. The saying: two wrongs do not make a right can apply to such a case.

[deedee479]

i really just want a way to solve this prob tempy took time off cuz of how bad it got he was so upset ppl quit...i really just wanna keep ppl here and happy......not trying to kill fun or upset ppl or make a fight......just a way to stop the unfairness(if thats even a word)

[thrakx]

Banding a group of people for the sake of enforcing a set of principles set by the idealistic players...enforcing these rules via KoS. Would this not be doing the very same thing, in a sense, that you are trying to prevent? KoS in the name of "justice" seems to be the purpose of this idea, but by doing so, you are practicing the same actions as those in which you are against, KoSing KoS-ers. The saying: two wrongs do not make a right can apply to such a case.

not what i really meant, and since i dont PvP and until there is a dueling room I never will so i dont care.
But if you have an official appointment of players BY THE STAFF, to do a certain job then its not really the same thing.
two wrongs DONT make a right but just like the police are appoiinted by the government to enforce rules- then i dont see why Outspark cant make some sort of police force with the power to instantly report improper action, and have something done about it.

I mean CLs on the forum are just regular people, but they have some admin power- they can delete threads, move them give people warning and im sure if they need to they can get some CSR to hit you with the ban-hammer if your actions warranted it.

Why cant the same things be done for the arena? Granted I AM a bit groggy and out of it from the pills but at least Im trying to help come up with some suggestions. What are you doing to try and help the situation?

[raemrazr]

not what i really meant, and since i dont PvP and until there is a dueling room I never will so i dont care.
But if you have an official appointment of players BY THE STAFF, to do a certain job then its not really the same thing.
two wrongs DONT make a right but just like the police are appoiinted by the government to enforce rules- then i dont see why Outspark cant make some sort of police force with the power to instantly report improper action, and have something done about it.

I mean CLs on the forum are just regular people, but they have some admin power- they can delete threads, move them give people warning and im sure if they need to they can get some CSR to hit you with the ban-hammer if your actions warranted it.

Why cant the same things be done for the arena? Granted I AM a bit groggy and out of it from the pills but at least Im trying to help come up with some suggestions. What are you doing to try and help the situation?


mmmmm, me, nothing. I don't visit PvP any longer. I was simply pointing out the flaw in the logic.
As for the policing of the arena, KoS, revival killing, etc. are not against any sort of official rule determined by Outspark. The only thing that can really be monitored is the use of cuss words in the arena. Although many are against the use of the excuse "It's PvP", it can be applied in this matter. Free PvP is Free for All Player Vs Player Combat, if one chooses to go in, they should expect that death is bound to happen.

[dylanangel]

The flaw if they were vigilantes so to speak but thats not what he was saying

[raemrazr]

The flaw I was referring to was moreso the way that these "rules" would be enforced.

[Zarz5]

You know I wish someone would come at me like that if I was officially appointed from a GM
Thats why your not one ~.^

[dylanangel]

Nope your right no one is "one" yet but if they do this I am signing up and I hope like you stated someone comes at me when I am appointed by the GM's and attempts to "take me out"

We are looking for people to come up with ideas that help the community not someone who wants to go all over the forum and post negativity.

[deedee479]

ty tharkx and dyl for the help u don't know how much this whole thing means to mean. i have just been sitting in the pvp the last few days just watching everything. and there are times where it gets way out of hand and times when it's fine i want it to stay fine and fun for all so that everyone would come . i want it to get to where there r so many ppl want to got that it laggs the gms XD and they split the rooms just cuz the lagg XD like the candy spam all over sos where the gms laggs too

[catry]

What I would honestly like to see is PvP shut down altogether until some of these issues are resolved, whether through the opening of more restrictive arenas such as duel rooms and level-limit PvPs or by the setting up of some official rules and enforcement.

This thread highlights just how varying the opinions are that people have about PvP, and these splits are pretty well-highlighted every day as more and more PvP issues and drama come up. Not to mention the dozens of people who have been banned or warned over PvP. For something that was so highly anticipated, it does NOT seem to be the right result for people to be breaking friendships, people getting back-stabbed by friends, and people getting banned or warned because their views differed from someone else.

The fact of the matter is, PvP pits live players against other live players that may not have the same motives as them. And while it's easy to say "It's PvP, get over it," I think it's best to look at it from a PvE standpoint. When someone dies because of a mob, they are usually very disappointed because of the pots wasted, time wasted, and exp lost. I think this mentality is not only carried over into PvP, it is heightened. A player spamming tons of pots trying to stay alive getting owned by someone 80+ levels higher, or by a giant mob of people, is like getting mobbed by aggro hard-hitters, or a newbie walking into Loren Valley. That's material and time both spent up. Then to add insult to injury, PvP is recorded in a permanent record. While PvP records don't do anything, how do you really feel knowing that you have a "loss"? Combine this frustration with the fact that some people come to PvP as a respite to maybe let out their frustration with friends or just to hang out.
Now on the reverse psychology we have someone who goes into PvP because, frankly, it's PvP. In their view it's a free-for-all and it's in their right to kill anyone they want. But then they get all sorts of flack thrown at them about it, and that just makes them angry.
To the first person, the second one is an egotistical, power-hungry arrogant person looking to inflate their ego by sucking the fun out of PvP.
To the second person, the first person is a wuss who has no right to complain because that's the point of PvP.
Arguments break out, arguments turn to taunts, taunts to curses to bans.

From what I see, this and hundreds of other misunderstandings happen basically daily in free PvP.

Some idea about what the GMs can do:
- Establish a set of rules, especially on the subject of taunting and harassment. Some players view KoS'ing, Reskilling, or ignoring requests to stop as violations of the harassment sections of the ToS and get angry about it. Some established rules set by the GMs would really help to clarify these issues.
- Establish separate arenas, like the Level limit ones. I know as a fact, having been warped there once, that there is at least 1 PvP arena with a level limit. Admittedly this won't solve all the problems but it would help to smooth things out. Likewise, I like thrakx's idea about duel rooms. If people are engaged in a duel, they should be allowed to carry it out without risk of interference.
- Establish some enforcement in the arena, though this would require the rules first >.>

Some idea about what we as players can do!
- Be sensitive to others! Remember that these are live players you are facing. If you feel the need to KoS or whatever, give a warning. An apology really goes a long way too, because then you're saying that you at least know how they feel.
- Try to keep taunting and smacktalking in check! Everyone knows there are certain problem players who go about KoS'ing and smacktalk when they beat you up or when they can't kill you and run into the SZ or accuse you of spamming SC pots and taunts you about wasting them...take the high road and ignore them. If they kill you, fine, just come back. If they kill you again, screenshot it. If they're deliberately targeting you, report it and let the GM's decided if what they do is ok. Don't give in to taunts...it's best to let the GM's and CSR's know about and handle those instead. If you know someone is a bully, don't let them run wild. We are a community built on friendship and respect, and bullies have no place if they can't respect the ToS and principles that this community has been built up on over the year.
- Use the other arenas! The party and guild arenas are hardly ever used. If you want to duel, or chill with friends, suggest to them to go to one of the other arenas. It would save a lot of aggravation.

Sorry for the long post, or if any of that sounds a little rant-y >_>;; It's past 3am here and I'm aggravated over a term paper xD

[Nights_Fang]

I agree with Kit completely. We (myself included) seem to forget that many people have different opinions. Some established PVP rules laid down by Outspark would be beneficial. So would Thrakx's suggestion of OS appointing some players to patrol the PvP arenas to make sure these rules aren't broken. I mean the forum CLs are just ordinary players too... Why can't we have In-Game CLs too? It would take a load of the GMs and help the whole community in the long-run.

[D-Styles]

i find nothing wrong with pvp at all. O_O

[SyneX]

xDDD
Because they only pick on healers and low lvls.

////// I still want ur mask D= ///////

[Kendrah]

can say the one who do those thing most of the time is Assassin or rogue class.. Most high level players respect 1 v 1 duel and i said "MOST" not all..

Excuse me. *coughs* You're not the one to talk about KOS or go about accusing others of that sin. >>"

Anyway, I don't want lvl restrictions. I like to come to PVP and hang out, chat it up. Just cause you get sore for being killed doesn't mean you should ruin it for the rest of us. Dx If you don't like it, don't come.

[thrakx]

Excuse me. *coughs* You're not the one to talk about KOS or go about accusing others of that sin. >>"

Anyway, I don't want lvl restrictions. I like to come to PVP and hang out, chat it up. Just cause you get sore for being killed doesn't mean you should ruin it for the rest of us. Dx If you don't like it, don't come.

sums it all up doesnt it? And that is EXACTLY why I dont go. When the flawed system we have gets fixed, ill be excited and happy, and you know what? Ill go hang out and pvp some, but what we have right now is anarchy and I for one choose to stay away from the anarchy. I can have a lot more fun trying to farm drops then getting frustrated over childish behavior.

[opensunflowers]

Hmmmm...
I've been rethinking about the PvP system and I guess I have to say that there isn't that much wrong with the one we have now.

The 'problems' are purely player-based meaning the GMs can do nothing about it. O.o

High-Lvls don't always have their little "ZOMG LETZ KILL EVERY1!" sprees...so if you go there during one and you die...don't come back until it's cooled down.

And if you're being targeted by someone and ask them to stop multiple times...screenie and report as harrassment? O.o?

[deedee479]

wat if u wanna pvp ur friends and thats the only time u can get there is thats time....(it's always the same time )

i was thinking having pvp arena works is really not all that bad but not too kill the ppl doing wrong......see cl's can remove a bad thread or post right why not y not give the pvp patrol the power to tele ppl out of it......... and maybe if it gets really bad the power to kill them off like a GM kill witout attack i've seen the GMs do it.....and GM shadow kinda thing so they can watch and not really get into a problem wit the players


like it teles hem to a room and tell them wat was done wrong and ask them to stop
3 chances and on the 4th maybe pvp bann (depending on wat they did wrong how long it will be)

but these powers only work in pvp(dono if its doable but yeah)

[deedee479]

to all the people who go to pvp, complain about pvp, or just straight up lazy go grind!!
Come on people the time to be lazy is over the gms saying there wont be new classes until there enough people so hit the maps chop! Chop!. If u wanna do something about slow content all u have to do is endure the bore and grind. So get to work to all those lazy pvping players.


~ grind! Grind! Grind!

pwetty plssss <_<

stop it wit this post and if u want us to lvl u come lvl me and i will all pts want is a cleric wit major heal i don't got it so not many pts but if u want us to grind then u take me

[dylanangel]

To all the people who go to pvp, complain about pvp, or just straight up lazy GO GRIND!!
Come on people the time to be lazy is over the gms saying there wont be new classes until there enough people so hit the maps Chop! Chop!. If u wanna do something about slow content all u have to do is endure the bore and grind. So get to work to all those lazy pvping players.


~ Grind! Grind! Grind!

pwetty plssss <_<

Do not spam the threads with the same posts. Your others were removed

[bakuyaa]

stop it wit this post and if u want us to lvl u come lvl me and i will all pts want is a cleric wit major heal i don't got it so not many pts but if u want us to grind then u take me

<.< forget it you wont understand what im talking about, and if you want a pty why not just find one. Not all ptys want cleric with major heal so that statement of yours is not true. Iv partied with acos in turmeit.I'm not telling people what to do im just saying, so u can ignore it if you wish.


I didn't mean to spam i simply wanted more people to see,so I apologize for that.

[deedee479]

>.> yeah i try t find pts not as easy as u think and yes most do u may not so y u not pt me then hmmmm

[lost.hero]

They could always start promoting gamers on a volunteer basis to a semi-official position so they can have some moderation powers, maybe not to kick people out of the game but like kick them out of pvp arena or disable any form of activity that allows them to harrass others, and the ppl who would be picked could be long term gamers in good standing who are very active, they could have a more direct lin of communication to GMs...I have seen it in other games and especially chat rooms and what not so I think it is very feasible...a volunteer police that can play as normal but take action when necessary

[Hilux]

1. What we are talking about here is Police, and for all of you who think the only response to bullying is to bully back, you are wrong. Each class has at least one stun skill, consider using this first (pepper spray opposed to pistol) and try talking for once. The only talk I see going on is instigating and provocation. You’d be surprised how many people will respond if you communicate with them in a mature fashion.


2. Do not stand for bullying. This doesn’t mean you have to fight back with your sword or magic, there are people you can talk to, people who can help. People often play MMORPGS as an escape from the real world and in doing so seem to forget that they are all based on the real world and real people. You wouldn’t act like this IRL would you? If I witness bullying or am the target of it I will stun the person (regardless of lvl, class guild ect) and engage conversation. I have never had any trouble as a result.


3. Ego (and I’m not talking about gear here) is a huge problem in this situation. People seem to need to prove their prowess, skill or just reassure their “manhood” by attacking everyone they can – this translates nicely into “Ug Ug! Me caveman! Me big!”. If you really need to prove yourself as this is a vital part of pvp, organize it. Declare a duel, start a guild or party war. If all you’re doing is killing someone lower lvl than you because they are lower lvl, all you prove is that you are inconsiderate and played longer then they have… GOOD JOB! -.- I for one would love to be involved in an agreed guild war, not some stupid KoS or other such thing that is the virtual equivalent of a drive by shooting. Prove your actual skill with your character, your ability to work well in a party or guild and have a planned face off. I personally consider anyone attacking someone without consent, especially repeatedly or with and obvious disadvantage in lvl to be harassment and I will not tolerate it.


4. LvL restrictions in PvP I feel will just separate friends as current game lvl restrictions do. I really believe this game should be renamed Secret of the LvL because that’s all it really seems to be about. I see very few people who care about adventuring, testing their skills or investigating new things, its just grind grind grind, and to what end I do not know. Our guild is currently divided because of lvl restrictions on dungeons, cities and quests, this is very annoying and I do not wish to see it progress any further. As for PvP, it is sometimes fun to fool around with lower lvl people, make duels where its like 3 squires against 1 knight, I’ve organized fights between 4 people lvl 30-60 against myself – I lost some and won some. It was a lot more fun trying to see what techniques I could use to win than it would be killing them just to prove I’m higher lvl (btw if you really want to prove that, just turn inspect on..). The next time some lvl 100+ wants to go nuts and wipe the arena, try to organize a fight between yourself and all those present, see what skills your REALLY have.

In the end, what it comes down to is consideration. Show some.

One final thought, to those people who enter pvp only to spam racist comments or verbally abuse other players, I hope you’re in the area when someone does decide to wipe…… and please, report these people.

[deedee479]

They could always start promoting gamers on a volunteer basis to a semi-official position so they can have some moderation powers, maybe not to kick people out of the game but like kick them out of pvp arena or disable any form of activity that allows them to harrass others, and the ppl who would be picked could be long term gamers in good standing who are very active, they could have a more direct lin of communication to GMs...I have seen it in other games and especially chat rooms and what not so I think it is very feasible...a volunteer police that can play as normal but take action when necessary

O_O i didn't mean kick them out of game i did mean out of pvp thats y i said "tele them out" or in a room and tell them what they did wrong ask them to stop and bring them back if they keep up bring them to the room 4 a bit like time out ^^




can i dyl or u make a new thread about the ideas for the pvp other then the rules cuz i'm getting confuessed here like a poll on players patroling the pvp kinda one

[deedee479]

1. What we are talking about here is Police, and for all of you who think the only response to bullying is to bully back, you are wrong. Each class has at least one stun skill, consider using this first (pepper spray opposed to pistol) and try talking for once. The only talk I see going on is instigating and provocation. You’d be surprised how many people will respond if you communicate with them in a mature fashion.


2. Do not stand for bullying. This doesn’t mean you have to fight back with your sword or magic, there are people you can talk to, people who can help. People often play MMORPGS as an escape from the real world and in doing so seem to forget that they are all based on the real world and real people. You wouldn’t act like this IRL would you? If I witness bullying or am the target of it I will stun the person (regardless of lvl, class guild ect) and engage conversation. I have never had any trouble as a result.



In the end, what it comes down to is consideration. Show some.

One final thought, to those people who enter pvp only to spam racist comments or verbally abuse other players, I hope you’re in the area when someone does decide to wipe…… and please, report these people.


sorry 4 2 post he sent this as i sent mine or i didn't see it but......we have tried talking to the players and they wish not to listen i don't think fight back is right but my idea in my above post i think can do it


and it has been reported but nothing the GMs can do they asked for ideas and if we thought the pvp needed rules and how to get players to follow sooooo here it is thats wat this thread is here for^^ ty and have a nice day

[Hilux]

I meant report the people who are entering pvp only to spam racist comments and instigatve violence, not the wipers.

Another way to deal with those who are unwilling to talk is to exclude them from the community, don’t trade with them, talk to them, party with them because they obviously don’t care about peoples feelings, so why should we care about theirs? I personally am not one to care if I am killed in pvp, I even allow others to kill me for the fun of it, or to make them feel better about being too low to succeed. However, I am aware that some people take it very personally and it is for them that I fight back. For those who continue to express a need to showcase their skills, I would gladly challenge you to a duel, and if my guild was behind it, a guild war. I suggest others try this as well. Believe me, its a lot more fun than wiping - the most fun I had was leading a group of 40- players against a knight and rogue, we lost some but it was epic!

If you want to wipe, go AOE the trisects, poyo's LOVE the abuse.

[ggBuRNe]

I meant report the people who are entering pvp only to spam racist comments and instigatve violence, not the wipers.

Another way to deal with those who are unwilling to talk is to exclude them from the community, don’t trade with them, talk to them, party with them because they obviously don’t care about peoples feelings, so why should we care about theirs? I personally am not one to care if I am killed in pvp, I even allow others to kill me for the fun of it, or to make them feel better about being too low to succeed. However, I am aware that some people take it very personally and it is for them that I fight back. For those who continue to express a need to showcase their skills, I would gladly challenge you to a duel, and if my guild was behind it, a guild war. I suggest others try this as well. Believe me, its a lot more fun than wiping - the most fun I had was leading a group of 40- players against a knight and rogue, we lost some but it was epic!

If you want to wipe, go AOE the trisects, poyo's LOVE the abuse.

*Sry out of topic*

Here is a thread if you want a guild war for fun and challenge.. I welcome any other guilds to join too..

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122638

Pm or mail StriderHien or StriderHiryu for arrangement..

[dylanangel]

Ok closing this. People are not getting the point that no one is saying make a group that just blindly get together and kos anyone who is bullying. Another thread will be made asking for your suggestions on making PVP a better place to go where you don't have to deal with KOS.

If you make a debate on why other peoples opinions and suggestions are wrong your post will be deleted