just to clear up the no 'debating' rule :D

[kevinata]

a lot of people seem to be interested about the no debating rule so i made

this thread to avoid people from 'debating' the wrong way

*post your thoughts about the debate rule here

debating: 1.Obsolete. to fight; quarrel.

2. to engage in formal argumentation or disputation with (another person, group, etc.)

yup debates will lead to flaming and insults and other bad-for-the-forums stuff

i suggest discuss topics not debate about them

* the definition of debate came from dictionary.com :D

[dylanangel]

Great thread and thank you for the description :)

[ggBuRNe]

a lot of people seem to be interested about the no debating rule so i made

this thread to avoid people from 'debating' the wrong way

*post your thoughts about the debate rule here

debating: 1.Obsolete. to fight; quarrel.

2. to engage in formal argumentation or disputation with (another person, group, etc.)

yup debates will lead to flaming and insults and other bad-for-the-forums stuff

i suggest discuss topics not debate about them

* the definition of debate came from dictionary.com :D

Based on experience as a debater in real life, debate is

-to argue or give out opinion with facts or based on facts to support or to not support an argument or opinion from others

[TRXSTA]

Right. Debate and discuss are synonymous. Why does one have a negative connotation? -.-

[opensunflowers]

You know I thought they were synonymous too... :x

Which is why this no-debating rule makes no sense to me.
no debating = no discussion = no forums. :(

It looks to me like some people are getting debating and flaming confused because they don't agree with the debators arguement.

But, you know, good post on clearing up the definition of debate. =P
However, the point where it says "2. to engage in formal argumentation" which to me sounds like DICUSSING o.O
An unformal arguement would be like an angry baboon, throwing insults, belittling, etc., not pointing out flaws in ideas in order to find the perfect, unflawed solution.


[ar⋅gu⋅men⋅ta⋅tion
1. the process of developing or presenting an argument; reasoning.
2. discussion; debate; disputation: The lengthy argumentation tired many listeners.
3. a discussion dealing with a controversial point.
4. the setting forth of reasons together with the conclusion drawn from them.

I bolded the important parts ;)]

[thrakx]

this stuff should all go without saying. If you dont know by now how to act on a forum then you have no business here or even online at all.

[vykdraygo]

dang it tanny. you always have to make me feel dumb.
and noone even needs to debate that.

[vykdraygo]

and you have all these equals signs. and then equals X. and then equals P.
its like. SOME OF US DIDNT GO TO COLLEGE.
but i should stop pointing out flaws and and stuff about my stupid chat illiterate self.
im such a babboon sometimes. im so stupid.im so stupid and obsolete.

<waits for debate>
dang.

[thrakx]

vyk you are going to have to make a more coherent statement before anyone can possibly debate you.

[angelblackrose]

Well..debates don't necessarily have to end with flaming. Personally, I always saw debates as a way to gain knowledge and insight to certain issues or topics. Debates allow you to look at both sides of an issue or topic and make an educated decision as to what side you want to take. I believe debates actually help people to obtain knowledge, just as Socrates debated with his students so that they could both arrive at new and even startling conclusions and revelations. Debates isn't simply about arguing, it's about finding out new information about things and looking at things from another person's perspective. The only reason why debates fail nowadays is because people get so heated when their beliefs are refuted. Debates should be a learning experience, not an experience that consists solely of insulting another person for their beliefs

[blake3470]

Yea, like Taney said, if we can't debate on the forums, then why do we have them?

[dylanangel]

Forums are not for debates. Forums are for posting your in game problems, posting your suggestions. People are not understanding the point of not debating the way others felt the need to in a particular thread. You can discuss to your hearts content on someones suggestions. You can NOT however tear apart their idea as that has been done before. I won't let another player be discouraged from posting because people want to belittle them and their ideas. My job is to keep that kind of stuff from happening

[TRXSTA]

Debate and discuss are synonymous. "Tearing apart someone's idea" and "belittling them and their idea" has as little to do with debate as it has to do with discuss. It's not that difficult.

[blake3470]

Well yea, you shouldn't toss someone's idea out the window, but debating and discussing about it is necessary for good ideas.

[Dark_Knight99]

I agree, it is not tearing away at someones opinions but having an opinion of your own. Or are we to belive that is not allowed here either? Debate can and almost always will lead to discussions where people do not agree. If that is a problem then a CSR needs to clarify that. Forums are a place for ideas, opinions etc. If our opinions are deleted, destroyed because ONE person doesn't like them then that destroys our whole way of thinking.

[comp4ssion]

GOOD Debating
Addressing another's ideas and professionally highlighting the potential merits and flaws of their argument before rhetorically supporting your own modifications or rebuttal to theirs in a logically cohesive and courteous manner demonstrative of a fashion that allows for both arguments to simultaneously develop and improve to the point where one (or both) of them eventually lead(s) to the most acceptable ultimate conclusion.

BAD Debating
Anything short of the above, especially that which contains unjustified criticism or personal attacks against an opinion or perspective (inclusive of flaming and insults).

Do the former, not the latter. It's really a piece of cake. ^^

/endwithepicwinofdoom

[kevinata]

hey, i got my definition from dictionary.com

i didnt fake the definition , and from what i have seen in real life debates are kinda like arguments.

People do not like their ideas to be torn apart. Therefore quarrels start and insults are given from/to both sides. In general, debates seem to be fueled by emotion. And emotion leads to flaming because a mind filled with passion acts on impulse not with reason.

Some people discuss topics because they wish to avoid having a heated argument.

What is the point of debating? IF not to change the other side's point of view or to convince the other side that their ideas are wrong.

Therefore discussing a topic is the sensible, solution to ending or at least limiting the amount of flaming in the forums

I completely agree with Dylanangel1 about debates in the forums.

[TRXSTA]

Again, why the negative connotation with debate?


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[Dark_Knight99]

Well I totally disagree. Debating is a known fact of life. It is used in almost everything you do, whether it is a school debate team, the Presidency or even your employer. Debating can bring alot of good as well such as the truth, a compromise of opinions or possibly even new ideas. And as far as I am concerned if a topic leads into a sensible debate there is no one here to tell me other wise unless a CSR makes it a rule. And since we are into the topic why would CSR dept handle forums when there is so many customer issues to be handled? No disrespect but more a mere question seeing how it takes 24- 48 hrs to get a response back from the CSR dept. And now with Solstice Help closed the CSR dept will be even more back logged. Forums in any game whether it is MMORPG or any other is mainly used for ideas, a place where players can rant and rave in a somewhat controlled enviroment with no swearing. This is just my opinion so attack me if you will, but i feel these are valid points.

[dylanangel]

Ok again you can talk about another persons ideas. You can add to those ideas what you think will make them better. I am asking that no ones ideas are quoted and belittled. No ones ideas are torn apart and these posters are not made to feel like their ideas are garbage.

Debates are a way of life yes. You can talk about game issues in the forums and discuss all you wish. You can not debate off topic issues because we do not allow debating of that nature in the forums any longer because it leads to flaming.