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Shaden

11-10-2008, 02:53 PM

I love the Abyss... it is the best place in the game to me. Whether I'm winning or losing... anywho, on Apple-Line, the 10~36 Abyss is one of the more hectic spots in the game. And a lot of people pimp themselves and hang out in here - on peak weekend times you can find as many as 20 people just chillin' at the front gate. Good times.

I hit 1k Kill Points in Abysmal Cave - yay! No title though. xD
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/ShadenReborn/screenshot262.jpg

As usual, accused of charming, lol. I hate it when people do that.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/ShadenReborn/screenshot232.jpg

I took a swing at this fellow and landed a crit that put him at 1 health! Lucky.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/ShadenReborn/1HPohShi.jpg

Aw, look - not everything is killin' and hatin' in the Abyss!
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/ShadenReborn/Beep.jpg

My lovely guild members... some of them at least!
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/ShadenReborn/AbyssIs.jpg

So go for it, post some screenies you have of Abyss PvP matches you've had! Duels, ganks, wars! It all goes~ Just remember to not blacklist anyone by accident!

I'll get exciting ones but usually I'm too focused on my fights to remember to spam Print Screen.

Dthugtherealist

11-10-2008, 05:57 PM

Lol man you must have some major enemies to amass that much kill points. Or maybe people just don't like the look of your face XD Well anyways nice screenies nice damage for your level take care of your self and good luck and hope you don't meet any of those people in 60 abyss XD

Shaden

11-10-2008, 07:17 PM

More enemies than you could imagine. Also a lot of friends though... good times. Good times. xD

Thanks, lol.

Nephron

11-10-2008, 07:58 PM

I recognize you, OP. You've cruelly squished my alts for no reason. :eek:

Just kidding -- mostly. I am curious, though. What's the appeal in randomly attacking people who clearly are just there to grind? I know I've gone into the 20-30 abyss and have been chased and killed (by you, among others) without the slightest provocation.

I understand that the Abyss is a PvP zone. I understand that you don't need a reason to kill someone in the Abyss. I understand that PvPing can be fun. What I want to understand is why people (such as yourself, apparently) think it's fun to go after other people who are just trying to get to the back of the cave so they can grind in relative peace. How many non-agressive, minding-their-own-business players did you slaughter while getting those those useless 1k kill points?

I'm not looking for argument; I'm genuinely curious.

Shaden

11-10-2008, 08:35 PM

I, myself, usually hang out in the front where no one is there to grind. You see, the 20 Abyss is different. People pile up at the gate and do nothing - I don't really know why. However, that's where PKer's come in. They are the ones who pick on everyone and anyone grinding. I consider myself a duelist and bounty hunter, in a sense.

I always have a reason to kill someone, a good one. Such as they killed a friends alt - or we agreed to a duel. Maybe not a good reason for other people, but for me it is. Also, I generally only kill a person once, unless they come back for more (i.e hit me), talk garbage to me, or threaten me.

I have days where I am generally pissed off and just killed anyone who walks by... which is mean. But usually I hang out up front with everyone else and we all fight. Honestly, if you've ever been to the 20 Abyss on Apoline, you'd know how it's more like FBZ1 up front. People just chat there... we fight. Sometimes not in agreement, always cussing from random people dying - but generally everyone stands around being bums. This happens in 50 Abyss sometimes; haven't seen it much in the others though.

People whine they wanna grind, but after 15 minutes of crying they are still just standing there with full buffs, full hp/sp, and doing absolutely nothing. What's the point? Grind or don't, but if you expect to stand around here with that, you should reconsider. I don't consider myself a mean person, although a lot of people would.

How many grinding players did I slaughter WITHOUT a good reason? Probably less than 1/3rd. Honestly, I've seen some people stand in one spot and kill everyone walking by EVERY time they respawn. If you know me, and how I play in there, that isn't me.

Blood thirst and lust for Player vs. Player gets the best of me from time to time though. PvP is the only reason I play online games after meeting an awesome community of players, which is the only reason I go online at all. xD

I really can't explain what it's like unless you experience it yourself for about a month.

That's just the way Abysmal Cave rolls.

Note: I hope that is good enough for you. I can't make anyone like what I do for fun, or how I play, or believe it despite my 1k-pointiness - but that's your choice. Just thought I'd point all this out.

Question: Curious enough, are other servers like this in any Abyss zones?

Sure glad the rep system was removed, I know I had 2 bubbles but I'd so be de-repped by the council of 'holier than thou art' on here. x-X

Nephron

11-10-2008, 09:53 PM

I wouldn't -rep you. That was an articulate, honest, and illuminating response, which I respect.

So...if I understand correctly, for those times when you just randomly kill someone without a good reason, we can chalk it up to a bad mood or predator's drive gone awry.

All right, fair enough. I can understand that.

Shaden

11-10-2008, 09:58 PM

I wasn't suggesting you would, but there are others here... well, I don't wanna tread into dangerous waters.

But yes, you are correct. :P

saint_attila

11-10-2008, 10:13 PM

In my opinion, killing just cause you are in a bad mood isn't the way to go. But, that is for another thread, another time.

<.< Oy, killing 1000 people. Congrats on 1000 kill points that do nothing right now. Watch them take them all away when they actually implement what they are supposed to do.

But here is another thing I don't get. You're in level 20 abyss and you are level 36 (Or are according to these screenshots). Ok, where is the challenge in that? Why not fight people at or above your level? You know, so the fight would be actually interesting? I can't see why people (and I am not meaning you) enjoy going to lower level abyss, killing players, then bragging to their friends about how many new players they killed that day. Isn't that just going to make the new players hate the abyss because they die whenever they go in there? Wouldn't that make them quit the game? I still cannot fathom the reason people find slaughtering those far lower leveled and much less experienced than they are so enjoyable.

Perhaps you can help me figure this out?

((Sorry for the rant and if I repeated myself a few times, sorry about that too. I have a bad habit of doing that.))

Shaden

11-10-2008, 10:33 PM

Most players in the 20 Abyss are 30-36 now, at least the dozen or so who frequent the entrance hang-out... that or below 20. (If they aren't, I plvl them to 30 on my Archer in 4x Abyss with a few aoe pulls xD) The new patch has screwed everything up, and PKers are a dime a dozen, especially with t3 scrolls being able to be used. As I said before, I really don't just massacre everyone in my path - usually I am looking for 1v1 duels (my favorite thing, when I can find a great opponent). And I certainly don't brag about my kills for a day, heck if I even remember them. I only tell people I have 1,000 KP if they ask, no more to it than that. Well, I guess you could consider this telling everyone... contradict myself much?

I just consider it a fun achievement I reached, especially since I did it the slower way than some people have. If I wanted to massacre, I could had this within the week of the patch. xD

To give you an idea how long this took me; I am in this Abyss every single day. For my entire game-time usually, unless I am plvling a friend or shopping in Elderine. I spend a lot of time in here.

((No worries, I have the same annoying habit of repeating myself when typing out long things. >.<))

saint_attila

11-10-2008, 10:44 PM

Aye, that is a bit of a contradiction there. I hate it when people start using things like this to 'one-up' their fellow players. I can see it now....

Some random guy: *walks up to Saint* Hey, how many kill points do you have?
Saint: Uh.....none?
Some random guy: "Lol, just like I thought. Clerics can't PvP. lol." *runs off*

I fear that this may come to pass. These kill points are going to become the be all and end all of Fiesta. *rubs temples* Us non-PvP build people are going to have a rough time when we have to grind.

Sorry, I believe I got a little off track there.

themichael

11-11-2008, 02:53 PM

When did kill points start mattering.
And where can u get them.
(Mikes been off for a while.)

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Shaden

11-11-2008, 02:56 PM

fireyair

11-11-2008, 02:59 PM

They actually don't matter at all, currently at least.

They were implemented in the last large patch with the Abyss changes, and as you can guess, they come from killing other players in the Abyss zones.

it always seemed like it was implemented to stop everyone from grinding in abyss permanantly...

Peace:cool:

themichael

11-11-2008, 03:19 PM

Hmm...what changes were made to the abyss?
I've heard of abysses that arent just 10-19, 20-29, 30-39 etc.
And I guess Ill have to go check it out after I finally get ungrounded.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

saint_attila

11-11-2008, 03:22 PM

Basically, people who should not be in the abyss (Like people 10+ levels higher than you.) are running around in the abyss killing hapless lower levels so they can get useless kill points and gloat about it to their friends. This happens in every abyss.

In other words, we have level 80+ running around in the 60 abyss going on killing sprees. And you lose exp in the abyss when you are killed, so it makes it very difficult to grind now. Since the drops have been lessened and you have bloodthirsty high levels ready to kill you around every corner.

themichael

11-11-2008, 03:26 PM

saint_attila

11-11-2008, 03:30 PM

And it is not just the level 60 abyss. Nope, this happens in all of the abyss. Level 30-40 are killing level 20 players in their abyss. And the list goes on and on. So yeah. Fun times.

>.> Oh and dungeons no longer have level restrictions either. This means you will (almost) never get your boss kill. This means every boss, from king marlone to giant harpy will be dead 99% of the time. Why? Simple. High levels will go in, clear out all the bosses in hopes of getting one of their drops and then leave. When the boss respawns, they clear it again.

>.> Again, fun times.

Shaden

11-11-2008, 03:43 PM

That's abusing the Academy Master glitch and could probably be reported, lol.

Anywho, I was in here long before the Abyss changes as a Lv29 Fighter and I killed everyone then. Several months before the update actually - and I restarted my Fighter like 5 times until I got the perfect build down for 29 PvP. This update didn't really sway the way I played - except now I can go into the 30 Abyss and kill, and still hang out in the 20 Abyss. :P

Spankle

11-11-2008, 11:10 PM

I'm not convinced so some questions...

How is punishing people for killing your friends then doing the same to others not hypocritical?

How do you feel about the fact you have undoubtedly upset and wasted time of many peaceful people that just want to grind?

How does "being in a bad mood" justify making others who have nothing to do with you pay for it, ever?

If abyss is only for pvp what are the mobs there for?

Because we can do something without consequence does that make it right?

I think you know what i mean and its why you're afraid of being de-repped, you seem intelligent enough. I'm posting to try and prevent this behaviour being seen as acceptable like your thread advocates. Killing people without a chance (ie 10 levels below you) is never cool if they dont provoke you. You say its only "less than a third" of ur kp, thats still 300 players and im gonna guess its more than that anyway.

This is one of the short list of things I really dislike in fiesta so call me a flamer/off topic/ delete my post w/e but i can't let this thread pass by knowing it will probably just encourage more people to do this.

Shaden

11-11-2008, 11:47 PM

Let's keep this simple now, I like PKing, get over it.

WARNING: Very long post. :D

Getting a rise out of the community... hehe.

How is punishing people for killing your friends then doing the same to others not hypocritical?

It is very hypocritical. I'm not gonna deny that, but I'm not going to just let them kill my friends. So, let violence be the answer! Since most people in-game fail to use logic as a way to solve problems.

How do you feel about the fact you have undoubtedly upset and wasted time of many peaceful people that just want to grind?

I cry myself to sleep, thinking... if that was me, wouldn't I be upset too? Then I come to the conclusion that I'd leave the Abyss, go work on quests or use one of the other bajillion zones we have in-game that provide nice xp.

How does "being in a bad mood" justify making others who have nothing to do with you pay for it, ever?

It doesn't justify it, I even said in my post that it was mean. It's rude and I know they hate it. Why do I do it anyways? Because when I get annoyed or angry, I lose the wonderful ability to think rationally and put the entire thing into perspective. Therefore, I act on... I don't know... hatred, irrationally. You could argue I should just go play some TF2 or something where you are meant to kill - but I can't find any stable servers that ping under 100 to me... xD

If abyss is only for pvp what are the mobs there for?
It isn't an exact term, I mainly use it to argue when people tell me the Abyss isn't meant for PvP. Sure, there is PvE action to be had, but there certainly is PvP action to be had. It was the original intention of the Abyss.

Because we can do something without consequence does that make it right?
You act as if I spawn kill someone 24/7, that's lame. And way to pre-judgmental. Anyway, there are limits in the zone... spawning is frowned on, shrooming is generally frowned on, ganking a lowbie is generally frowned on. Even that's low for anyone to do, which is what I do these days in Abyss. Sit in my shroom and kill anyone who thinks they can just spawn freely, or shroom anyone. Like I said, judgmental. You've never met me in-game in the Abyss - spend a few days chillin' and you'd think different.

its why you're afraid of being de-repped
Not afraid, it just happens that I hit 1,000 KP the day of the forum patch. This was going up regardless of rep or not. Besides, -rep flamers would just get revoked by the higher-ups because most of it would probably have a stupid reason and be spammed by friends or alternate accounts.

Killing people without a chance (ie 10 levels below you) is never cool if they dont provoke you.
If you kill someone in the Abyss, most people expect to be hunted down after that. Most people are ready for anything. Now, a sporadic massacre isn't expected and not fair, but I blame the person anyways. When I level in the Abyss on my higher characters, I focus heavily on what I am doing. I carry plenty of returns, t3 potions, extra scrolls, and am always looking around at other players.

It's pretty obvious if someone is going to move in for a kill. EVERYONE should be prepared to fight another in the Abyss.

You say its only "less than a third" of ur kp, thats still 300 players and im gonna guess its more than that anyway.
Already mentioned I wasn't going to try to make anyone think about this. Take it as you may, I honestly could care less what people believe of it. I know how I earned nearly every kill on there, that's more than good enough for me.

The times I do gank for the hell of it, well, I can't give a reason. I love to kill.

This is one of the short list of things I really dislike in fiesta so call me a flamer/off topic/ delete my post w/e but i can't let this thread pass by knowing it will probably just encourage more people to do this.
You are free to hate it all you want, not going to flame you for your opinion.I honestly don't think this would encourage more killing, people would be afraid of being hated after this. Fortunately for me, I don't have a fear of being shunned by the community as being a 'omg ebil PKer of d00m'.

you seem intelligent enough.
I disagree, however I cannot refute my claim because I have no evidence suggesting 'i r fail @ brainz'.

^_^

Thank you for voicing your opinion... my fingers now hurt! xP[/s]

Toshiya__x

11-11-2008, 11:47 PM

I understand killing for titles or fun...But randomly just bothers me, considering I/other people lose exp when they die. If they're going to make it 10~X6 for abyss they should take away the exp loss when killed by players, then I might not mind it as much.

That's my opinion on the subject.~

Shaden

11-11-2008, 11:52 PM

I fully agree, the experience loss is in no way cool at all. It should never have been put in, but there is a reason for it and that is because Abyss is E-Z Mode without it. Plus it sells more BoT I'd bet.

And now, this:

a·byss [ə bíss]
(plural a·byss·es)
n

3. terrible situation: a situation of apparently unending awfulness

a·bys·mal [ə bízm’l]
adj

1. horrible: appallingly bad or extremely severe

Hm...

themichael

11-12-2008, 02:25 PM

Let's keep this simple now, I like PKing, get over it.

WARNING: Very long post. :D

Getting a rise out of the community... hehe.

It is very hypocritical. I'm not gonna deny that, but I'm not going to just let them kill my friends. So, let violence be the answer! Since most people in-game fail to use logic as a way to solve problems.

I cry myself to sleep, thinking... if that was me, wouldn't I be upset too? Then I come to the conclusion that I'd leave the Abyss, go work on quests or use one of the other bajillion zones we have in-game that provide nice xp.

It doesn't justify it, I even said in my post that it was mean. It's rude and I know they hate it. Why do I do it anyways? Because when I get annoyed or angry, I lose the wonderful ability to think rationally and put the entire thing into perspective. Therefore, I act on... I don't know... hatred, irrationally. You could argue I should just go play some TF2 or something where you are meant to kill - but I can't find any stable servers that ping under 100 to me... xD

It isn't an exact term, I mainly use it to argue when people tell me the Abyss isn't meant for PvP. Sure, there is PvE action to be had, but there certainly is PvP action to be had. It was the original intention of the Abyss.

You act as if I spawn kill someone 24/7, that's lame. And way to pre-judgmental. Anyway, there are limits in the zone... spawning is frowned on, shrooming is generally frowned on, ganking a lowbie is generally frowned on. Even that's low for anyone to do, which is what I do these days in Abyss. Sit in my shroom and kill anyone who thinks they can just spawn freely, or shroom anyone. Like I said, judgmental. You've never met me in-game in the Abyss - spend a few days chillin' and you'd think different.

Not afraid, it just happens that I hit 1,000 KP the day of the forum patch. This was going up regardless of rep or not. Besides, -rep flamers would just get revoked by the higher-ups because most of it would probably have a stupid reason and be spammed by friends or alternate accounts.

If you kill someone in the Abyss, most people expect to be hunted down after that. Most people are ready for anything. Now, a sporadic massacre isn't expected and not fair, but I blame the person anyways. When I level in the Abyss on my higher characters, I focus heavily on what I am doing. I carry plenty of returns, t3 potions, extra scrolls, and am always looking around at other players.

It's pretty obvious if someone is going to move in for a kill. EVERYONE should be prepared to fight another in the Abyss.

Already mentioned I wasn't going to try to make anyone think about this. Take it as you may, I honestly could care less what people believe of it. I know how I earned nearly every kill on there, that's more than good enough for me.

The times I do gank for the hell of it, well, I can't give a reason. I love to kill.

You are free to hate it all you want, not going to flame you for your opinion.I honestly don't think this would encourage more killing, people would be afraid of being hated after this. Fortunately for me, I don't have a fear of being shunned by the community as being a 'omg ebil PKer of d00m'.

I disagree, however I cannot refute my claim because I have no evidence suggesting 'i r fail @ brainz'.

^_^

Thank you for voicing your opinion... my fingers now hurt! xP[/s]

That was long and now Mikes head hurts but it was worth it.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

jenncool89

11-12-2008, 10:32 PM

Valentyn

11-12-2008, 11:49 PM

1000 Kill Points, simply epic.

themichael

11-13-2008, 02:27 PM

Mike's only got 100
Not on much I guess though.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]