Fighters have an unfair PvP advantage?

[8millionwaystodie]

I'm a 51 archer and I recently was killed 1v1 by a low 4x fighter. The stun ability is just too much for any other class to handle. I even see my cleric buddies get killed by low level fighters. Mages also get the fear ability eventually. Maybe clerics, but definately archers will not be complete in PvP until they get some kind of speed decrease/freezing spell that lets them use their strongest skills without getting stunned then killed. Opinions?

[saint_attila]

Stun doesn't hit as often as you think. I've been hit by four or five devastates in a PvP match on my Paladin and not a single one stunned me. But the probability of it is random. Sometimes you will be hit, sometimes you will not be hit. As for the Clerics dying, well stun is annoying. But you'll just have to keep stoning and potting till you can attack again.

Oh and one more thing, if you are an archer then why are you getting within Melee range in the first place? You should be keeping your distance AWAY from the devastates and concussive charges.

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

http://www.fiestaonline.net/guide/listSkill.asp?classType=3

archers get a lot of pvp skills later on, just be patient lol

[Shaden]

Stun doesn't hit as often as you think. I've been hit by four or five devastates in a PvP match on my Paladin and not a single one stunned me. But the probability of it is random. Sometimes you will be hit, sometimes you will not be hit. As for the Clerics dying, well stun is annoying. But you'll just have to keep stoning and potting till you can attack again.

Oh and one more thing, if you are an archer then why are you getting within Melee range in the first place? You should be keeping your distance AWAY from the devastates and concussive charges.

How do we achieve that when our two strongest moves both have a cast time (Aimed / Power Shot)? Kiting is fine and all, but it never really kills anyone unless they can't stone/pot. You don't do enough burst DPS with DoT's and NM/PS to kill someone... and PvP in Fiesta is all about burst DPS. Get them dead before they can use that stone - or low enough to make their stone useless.

I've taken Fighters in a 1v1 toe-to-toe competition though, on my Archer - it's great when 90% of their swings miss me and all of my DoTs rip down their health while I am stunned. Still though, the higher we get, the less chance we stand against a Fighter. Guess that holds true to anyone though. Especially 91+ when Helgait weapons have 2k+ aim.

[saint_attila]

How do we achieve that when our two strongest moves both have a cast time (Aimed / Power Shot)? Kiting is fine and all, but it never really kills anyone unless they can't stone/pot. You don't do enough burst DPS with DoT's and NM/PS to kill someone... and PvP in Fiesta is all about burst DPS. Get them dead before they can use that stone - or low enough to make their stone useless.

I know that, but he asked if the stun was an unfair advantage. I told of a way to avoid the stun. Not of a way to kill the fighter.

>.> Everything is about killing with you man.

[Shaden]

That's the thing though, it is an unfair advantage to an Archer whose two strongest skills can only be cast while they are standing in one spot for a bit. Which generally leads to them being stunned then dying. You know, gear takes a large part in this with your dex and all, but stun is still a bit unfair for Archers at the time.

Clerics can invincible and absorb the bulk of the blow... you know, for the first two Deva, presuming you chained it. xD

Mages have Fear and Stifle, both useful in keeping a Fighters stun at bay while he can unload a ton of spells free of damage.

It is the Player versus Player forum, to be fair. That generally involves someone dying. :P

In a duel, if you plan on finishing eventually, someone will die. You can't run forever. You'll take that stun hard some time or another. =/

[saint_attila]

Stun doesn't always connect though. There are plenty of times that I have been locked in PvP with a fighter friend of mine and the stun just doesn't stick. He devastates three or four times, only one would stick. It's really down to probability. And yeah, archers do take a second to use their good skills, but hey, there are such thing as 'no-stun fights'. And plus, you can just do endurance duels. Where you only use physical attacks and stones. Whoever runs out of stones first loses.

>.> But yeah, stun is annoying as heck, man. You take that away, fighters get a LOT weaker in PvP, but then they lose their main tanking tool. *sigh* It all comes down to the luck of the draw. Sometimes you get a good draw and a lot of stuns just miss. Other times, you get stunned every attack.

[otterfactory]

To answer the OPs question; Fighters are the best class in PvP.

If PvP interest you that much stop playing an archer right now and start a fighter, because your experiences facing them will only get worse. Either way, PvP sucks.

[charisteas3]

i totaly agree its unfair im paying t2 t3 pots for pve and dont use hp stones because im a cleric and they are not cheap s oi only use sp's
and it is unfair, they have high defense high damage and much hp and stun skills
and we clerics have heal buffing and 2 mellee skills bash and bleed or the otherone>.<
i think there must be a pvp skill for clerics like : stun : a new powerfull melee skill:


Alexandraa X4 Cleric
MegasAlexandros X2 fighter
Patserke1 X2 archer
lordalos X2 mage

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

I think Stun should have a high Miss Rate for PvP cause its true, archers have no way to defend against Stun and the onslaught of attacks soon after pair that up with an Axe and its aready over.

Archers can kill fighters pretty easily when they kite, but fighters can just run away if they dont like it, which bothers me.

[themichael]

Yep every1 in pvp can somewhat defend against fighters but us little archers.
And I dont have a mage..so...this may sound nooby but...whats stifle do?

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[Shaden]

Yep every1 in pvp can somewhat defend against fighters but us little archers.
And I dont have a mage..so...this may sound nooby but...whats stifle do?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Stifle, the most annoying skill in the game probably, makes it like you have super lag on your skills.

For example, you have stifle on you and cast Heal. The spell casts, but it takes about 3-4 seconds before you are actually healed. Fighter tries to Deva you, but he is stifled, so the Deva may go through but you won't take damage or be stunned for 3-4 seconds later.

I think you get the point~

[themichael]

Stifle, the most annoying skill in the game probably, makes it like you have super lag on your skills.

For example, you have stifle on you and cast Heal. The spell casts, but it takes about 3-4 seconds before you are actually healed. Fighter tries to Deva you, but he is stifled, so the Deva may go through but you won't take damage or be stunned for 3-4 seconds later.

I think you get the point~

Hmm...thats pretty cool
And thanks bud.

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[otterfactory]

Stifle, the most annoying skill in the game probably, makes it like you have super lag on your skills.

For example, you have stifle on you and cast Heal. The spell casts, but it takes about 3-4 seconds before you are actually healed. Fighter tries to Deva you, but he is stifled, so the Deva may go through but you won't take damage or be stunned for 3-4 seconds later.

I think you get the point~

Then the Devastate cools down in 13 seconds at which point the fighter is no longer stifled. Now the Mage either casts Fear or maybe if they Chain Cast earlier another Stifle or runs for their life.

Either way eventually the Mage runs out of "defensive" skills and the Fighter continues trying to Devastate every 13 seconds and eventually Fighters will get you.

It doesn't matter how well classes can avoid getting killed by Fighters because no other class is ever on offense, their main goal is survival.

[themichael]

Well it seems like the DD classes are in it for survival constantly running from fighters.
Clerics can seem to take fighters pretty easily.

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[pyr01379]

...ALL classes have their advantages and disadvantages. You're an archer, why are you letting the fighter to stun you. Just run around and kite. It's allowed. Use the technique. Fighters are ranged handicapped so unless they starts throwing swords and axes at you, I wouldn't worry too much.

Pyr0z
5x Fighter
Epith

[Ntxhuav]

In a PVP match. it's all about who hit the highest and fastest (compare to real life it's Strength and speed:p), guess what? Fighters has the fastest skill spamming ever compare to the other classes that the damage shown stack up on each other, they also have a lot of skills to spam without any cast time. A str build fighter with an axe can easily spam all their 6-8 skills and KO someone like nothing. They also have those debuffs like decrease def, dex, and stun you, etc. With that all being said fighters pretty much dominate PVP. When Outspark got this game they change it and remove most of the skills so PVP isn't balance yet. If you look at the korean version there's a lot of pvp skills that other classes got that we don't have.

[themichael]

In a PVP match. it's all about who hit the highest and fastest (compare to real life it's Strength and speed:p), guess what? Fighters has the fastest skill spamming ever compare to the other classes that the damage shown stack up on each other, they also have a lot of skills to spam without any cast time. A str build fighter with an axe can easily spam all their 6-8 skills and KO someone like nothing. They also have those debuffs like decrease def, dex, and stun you, etc. With that all being said fighters pretty much dominate PVP. When Outspark got this game they change it and remove most of the skills so PVP isn't balance yet. If you look at the korean version there's a lot of pvp skills that other classes got that we don't have.

I do but as any other archer would tell you "every1 runs at the same speed and everytime a skill is cast your character pauses for a second or two," so you're eventually caught up with.

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[borednl]

Try playing with a fighter, tap your hotkeys quickly for devastate, power hit, and the rest of the skills in rapid succession. You'll notice that the animations cancel and all the skills fire off within a few seconds, ignoring a weapon's swing time (so an axe, 2h sword, and 1h sword hit at the same rate while skills are being used). This combined with stun is what gives a fighter an unfair advantage in PVP and elsewhere, because no other class can do this.

[themichael]

If fighters had some cast time on their skills I beleive it coming out of a devestate alive would have a much higher succes rate.

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[bumstick]

hmmm....If u take away the stun how can we stop u guys from running all over...we r much slower than every class...Try an put ur skill point wer they r useful 2 how u play...an if they take away stun how about ur poison, or a mages fear, that would put game in a twirl. So chose ur skills carefully i ve
had2 reset a few of mine

[themichael]

hmmm....If u take away the stun how can we stop u guys from running all over...we r much slower than every class...Try an put ur skill point wer they r useful 2 how u play...an if they take away stun how about ur poison, or a mages fear, that would put game in a twirl. So chose ur skills carefully i ve
had2 reset a few of mine


1st. Not take away the stun completely just make the cool time like 30 secs.(including empowerment)
2nd. Every1 runs at the same speed.:rolleyes:

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[gleeok]

No.You just need right gears. Go for full out str or dex gears. I've seen a lvl.8x mage barely hit a single damage on lvl.6x archer who had godly spr/dex gears. Remember that devestate can't stun all the time, and it can't stun unless they actually hit u, without hitting "miss" Go for full out str, this will give advantage against mages due to their defense. Unless they have +9 gears, u should be able to kill them. But yes, it is kind of unfair because fighters, are the strongest in pvp, with good defense AND attack gives few disadvantages against other classes. I've personally went for pure str and killed a lvl.73mage with full int, with devestate==>spam every skill=he's dead.

[gleeok]

And to michael:When u kite, you'll not get hit at all when u do so. So run around at safe distance disease>poison>bleed and keep running around till the fighter seems ****y not to use their stone then surprise them with nature's swiftness->1skill>chain cast>another skill.......no, it's not gonna work 100% because in bz1, where lot of ppl go, the whole map is not connected to itself, it ends in the pit, and it ends where the portal guard is. If they somehow immoblize and stun u.....you'll have 80% of dying so good luck.

[gleeok]

Also fighters have vitality. Yes, it lowers the defense, but it increases number of attack twice(if I remember) than lowered defense. But when they cast vitality and then manages to stun another class, they can't fight back. So the lowered defense is nothing for few seconds. Attack raised and str build and axe........it's a dangerous threat for every class including clerics.

[NimbusCloud]

...ALL classes have their advantages and disadvantages. You're an archer, why are you letting the fighter to stun you. Just run around and kite. It's allowed. Use the technique. Fighters are ranged handicapped so unless they starts throwing swords and axes at you, I wouldn't worry too much.

Pyr0z
5x Fighter
Epith


the problem with that is that eventually they catch up.

[wannabeguyo]

...ALL classes have their advantages and disadvantages. You're an archer, why are you letting the fighter to stun you. Just run around and kite. It's allowed. Use the technique. Fighters are ranged handicapped so unless they starts throwing swords and axes at you, I wouldn't worry too much.

Pyr0z
5x Fighter
Epith

Lawl, the funny thing is.....they do at lvl 110.

[themichael]

Throwing swords D=
That would be COMPLETELY un fair.

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[Shaden]

Unfair or not, it's something we have reasonable evidence to expect.

Doesn't mean this version will get the 2H weapon throw skill, but the chance is there.

However, to be fair, Archers will have several skills to hold their own for once such as force them to de-equip a weapon for x seconds, and entangle, and so forth.

[neobeam]

I'm a 51 archer and I recently was killed 1v1 by a low 4x fighter. The stun ability is just too much for any other class to handle. I even see my cleric buddies get killed by low level fighters. Mages also get the fear ability eventually. Maybe clerics, but definately archers will not be complete in PvP until they get some kind of speed decrease/freezing spell that lets them use their strongest skills without getting stunned then killed. Opinions?

Just even out the odds. If a fighter tries to kill you, RUN! Then come back with a friend and kill him :)

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

Lawl, the funny thing is.....they do at lvl 110.

the cd for that skill is too long to be useful lol, and in terms of lvl 110 skills, archer get entangle, hide, and several other pvp skills.

[filthynote]

i have 2 say mages are the pvp class in this game at lvl 73+ no doubts about that talkn about +9ed mages other than that then pffft fighters XD

[themichael]

I think I like the 110 archer skills.

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[themichael]

also could one of u give me the URL for the site that tells what skills the classes will be getting at lvl 110?

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[BreederWerewolf]

my Dev misses all the time and yes i can say i have killed a 74 mage when i was 64 with a lvl50 +9 axe ... but when they were actually ready for me no chance .... theres a lot of times fighting people around my lvl if my dev misses i'm dead .. I'm not going to say fighters arnt built well for pvp but if you are a different class you just have to figure out to right build to get the result you want .. not to mention finding good gear to compliment your build

[jorge2011]

i think they have over power the fithers heres what i think i have a lvl 20 fither and he has over 70 stones and i have a mage lvl 44 and he only has 46 stones are u kiding that the first reason,now the second one is i always love to be the dd's that y i love mages and findind out that when u start in our 40's the fither starts cathing up in damage *** is that ,3 reason they have so much hp at lvl 89 i estimate a full end fither has over 7,000 hp and a lvl 89 mage even with t3 srolls has like 4,000 and last ther def is so high i mean outspark should just amit the truth that in this game fithers are the best,and my conclusion is that outspark over power the fither and i heard that ther was a patch were mages that when u put your fear on soemeone which only last like 6 secs{fithers stun last 8 secs with skill points}the peopel coulnt use stones i mean that fair people u guys have stunn since lvl 11 com onn wel just because most people who play here and the desiners which have fither class like DAKKON staret crying just cause of that DONE.SORRY IF THIS WAS WAY LONG I JUST FELT LIKE EXPRESING MY FEELINGS

[themichael]

Even Though My eyes Bleed everytime The man thong Crossed My eyes,
I miss Dakkon because he strove to balance out the classes and tried to do SO much for us archers. :(

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[caitybell]

I see where your coming from, and i agree but the other characters also have there own ability, i used to the think that clerics haveing heal was a bit of a cheat on the other characters. and its unfair aswell because the fighters do have the upperhand while the rest dont...Im a lvl 40 cleric and from the skills ive seen so fair we get to three attacks...and two of them depend on what weapon you have...and to be fair the archers have bleed and poison and the stun move sometimes doesnt effect you...Though it is an unfair thing and i think that all the characters have the own ability it just the fighters seem to have better ones the rest of us.

[nurfy]

that just because your a archer, yu die from anything without running..

but yeah str/end or pure str fighters own pvp 70+

+bk and good gears is gg x]

[klopuis]

i agree especially because fighters can increase the effect time of stun so if they do manage to stun you your pretty much done o.o

[jakranga]

Be A Warrior The, Stop Whining!

[RetardedAnt]

ok, so u think warriors have a un-fair pvp advantage?
MAGES
they use fear... annihalates any archers/warriors with no +9's
ARCHERS
have poisons damage to basically lower their oppenents HP while attack with lon range attack
CLERICS
clerics just heal... nothing special
FIGHTERS
yes they have devastate, but it has a min of 14 SEC re-load, gives enough time to kill them...

IF NOT THEN BE A WARRIOR...

research before u post please...

MeLoveScrubs - 7x Warrior - Bijou
Appletini - 3x HawkArcher - Bijou
MidnightJuganaut - 0x Fighter - Bijou
MeLoveScrubsAlso - 1x Mage - Bijou

[totalynotlogan]

yo ppl, ima archer and I personally think that its not just fighters that have the advantage. Clerics do, theyre impossible to kill unless u can stun or fear. the only possible way is if theyre a risky cleric and like to wait till theyre bout to 100 hp and then heal, or if theyre a cleric that is a real stone burner and run out of sp stones [dosnet happen because they can carry about 300 sp stones max at lvl 65] so dont be mad at fighters, clerics have things to do with this >_>











oh noes! my siggy not coming up D=

[themichael]

ok, so u think warriors have a un-fair pvp advantage?
MAGES
they use fear... annihalates any archers/warriors with no +9's
ARCHERS
have poisons damage to basically lower their oppenents HP while attack with lon range attack
CLERICS
clerics just heal... nothing special
FIGHTERS
yes they have devastate, but it has a min of 14 SEC re-load, gives enough time to kill them...

IF NOT THEN BE A WARRIOR...

research before u post please...

MeLoveScrubs - 7x Warrior - Bijou
Appletini - 3x HawkArcher - Bijou
MidnightJuganaut - 0x Fighter - Bijou
MeLoveScrubsAlso - 1x Mage - Bijou

Maybe but the fighters stun advantage over the rest of the characters is greater than that of any other towards them.

If a fighter survives a mages barrage of skills They get to them and stun...full skill spam...its over.

If a fighter happens to catch an archer and stuns them....full skill spam ....its over.

Clerics stand a chance if they're end build other than that they will fal eventually to the lack of heals created by stuns.


P.S.-Its not rare to see a fighter killed while a mage is fearing.
BUt archers often come out of it alive...or at least I do.

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[themichael]

yo ppl, ima archer and I personally think that its not just fighters that have the advantage. Clerics do, theyre impossible to kill unless u can stun or fear. the only possible way is if theyre a risky cleric and like to wait till theyre bout to 100 hp and then heal, or if theyre a cleric that is a real stone burner and run out of sp stones [dosnet happen because they can carry about 300 sp stones max at lvl 65] so dont be mad at fighters, clerics have things to do with this >_>













oh noes! my siggy not coming up D=

The reason clerics arent considered over powered is because they have trouble bringing doen any target.

Even a pure INT mage can stand and tank a cleric their lvl without having to fear.
But u cant do that with a fighter.

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[vampyrio]

Fighters: Eventually get 2 stun abilities, debuffs and aoes. They all get their skills rather early. High def, str, and hp. Low magic def. Can easily kill opponent if 1 of their stuns works.
Clerics: The annoying heal :D few attack skills, but plenty of buffs. Decent hp with buff, and decent def with end build. Clerics have a chance to survive, but have a small chance to kill.
Archers: Can kite with two skills at low levels, generally have bad def, but high dex and str. If a archer gets stunned... its over.
Mages: Low def, high magic str. Gets no good skills till lvl 49, and first good pvp skill is fear. If a mage gets stunned... its over.

And if everyone had a fighter, Fiesta would be boring.

[themichael]

true but every other class getting pwned by fighters isnt either.

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[luiscubanito]

Blah Yes warrio are STRONG no one cant sya no but

MAGE lvl got a skill dont rememebr name hat unable anu player use for 15 minute skill >.> and tehy can use it 2 time ian round cleric HEAL,HEAL,HEAL but when they hit lvl 80+ they rule archer SLot of poison and Critic and awsome DEF every player have something special but Yes warrio DEV then if is full STR teh oponent is in big problem ^^
Happy new year

Warrio lvl 7x+
Serer Teva
Name luis9


any cuestion or help call me i hop ei can help ^^

[themichael]

LOL.
It was kinda hard for me to undertand what u were sayin because of your choice of spelling but i got it. :D

and its kinda true.
xcept no1 reallly rules any1 they just have seemingly unstopable advantages and all.
But i think ive figured it out.

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[luiscubanito]

sorry about my english iam learn it just 4 year in Unite state yeahh noone rule is just about who have better Build and who is more fast iam lvl 70 + 25 SPR rest STR Gear high STR full+9 yes i die fast cus eiamFUll STR- SPR but when i STone if is no KO is cuse a cleric heal ofcurse iam lvl 70 70-80 hard to survive if i stone first iam no agod or nothin gjust spend alot of time on pvp but my pint Everybody can WIn just maatter of Power ^^

AND SORRY ABOU TMY ENGLISH X_X

[neolancer]

why does every complain about fighters, when in fact they gang up on fighters and expect us to not fight back. i've done pvp kq on my fighter when he was 49 and in fact i didn't win, never won because other classes (archers and mages) attacked me first then complained when i killed them. my exact words were "if you don't wanna die then don't hit me, this is pvp just like anything else" and in fact i don't like fighters stun myself. mostly i solo in abyss and fighters kill me when i'm running around killing stuff

[dancer963]

its true what u guys r saying :P
but i hate it wen they stun u and then the otherone comes and kills u X.x
i get mad in that kq lol XD

[neolancer]

i really don't mind about the kq except for when they gang me when i pwn them 1 on 1 with no scrolls or anything but WHY jump when your in the same lvl range?

[mermer]

wrong each class has other class that beat him.Mages Can own fighters because fighters are low m.def ...archer can own them by kitting ..just clerics can't own fighters because low dmg.its true if the fighters stun a mage or archer ur dead if u dont have big hp and def.today i just got owned by a buffed mage with t3 .

[zues8844]

Um, I was in the 2x abyss yesterday on my 26 fighter........the level 30 mages could NOT exactly pwn me because I kept 3 hitting them........

Also, it's not the class, it's the player. I saw a bunch of idiots of all classes yesterday. Archers who thought they could tank with no buffs, mages who did the same, fighters who just stayed back and stunned while occasionally throwing in a debuff, clerics that thought they were DD"s.......

[themichael]

Yea but it seems to me
(from kq experiences alone)
All the classes seem like they dont know what they're doin at that current (1-30) except those that always brag about their higher lvl mains.
(but i cant complain I do myself on my fighter.)

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[pocket_dragon]

IN my opinion mages actualy are the most devestating pvp clas out of the hole groop.
thank about it yes mageshav parctly no defence but a mage can deal 3k damage wara fiter of equillv would b lucky 2 pul of 1k
(yes i know spelling is horible)

[ijoke]

Who cares even if a fighter has a pvp advantage? Fighters are a pvp class. Mages and archers can aoe grind 100x easier than a fighter. How about you think before you post a thread the next time. Every class had advantages, and disadvantages.

[char_family]

To answer the OPs question; Fighters are the best class in PvP.

If PvP interest you that much stop playing an archer right now and start a fighter, because your experiences facing them will only get worse. Either way, PvP sucks.

Actually you are wrong. Mages dominate pvp at higher levels. and im talking about PVP, not the trash we call pvp in the abyss.

[ForgottenMiss27]

even at 100+, if you are competent as a fighter, with a HG shield, you should be able to take any mage 1 v 1.

[kungfuhobo]

IN my opinion mages actualy are the most devestating pvp clas out of the hole groop.
thank about it yes mageshav parctly no defence but a mage can deal 3k damage wara fiter of equillv would b lucky 2 pul of 1k
(yes i know spelling is horible)

Way to necro o.o

even at 100+, if you are competent as a fighter, with a HG shield, you should be able to take any mage 1 v 1.

Ugh, and degro has that unholy ammount of damage.

Too bad it's 1h only v.v -cries-

[themichael]

Way to necro o.o



Ugh, and degro has that unholy ammount of damage.

Too bad it's 1h only v.v -cries-


So Does powershot(not as much though)

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[Blaxcalibur]

even at 100+, if you are competent as a fighter, with a HG shield, you should be able to take any mage 1 v 1.

by competent...she means cs hoar. id like so see any fighter take on a warlock with no extra buffs/extendors/m.def suits and anything else that lets them live longer than theyre suppose to *cough* cs pots *cough*

[Dthugtherealist]

Mages if your char is not built right will take you down easy unless you dodge their attacks alot you will die with ease or are able to take a few shots an survive. Fighters stones take like 5 secs to reload by the time your stone reloads if their kiting they have probably taken a huge chunk of your Hp already or you died.

[Blaxcalibur]

Mages if your char is not built right will take you down easy unless you dodge their attacks alot you will die with ease or are able to take a few shots an survive. Fighters stones take like 5 secs to reload by the time your stone reloads if their kiting they have probably taken a huge chunk of your Hp already or you died.

its 8secs xD but ya

[Dthugtherealist]

its 8secs xD but ya

Omg lol we have no chance anymore

[prasss]

Shh a HolyKnight would kill them both while making a cup of tea :3

[themichael]

100% crit skill is epic...though i still think the wrong class got it >.>;


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[pyro_shade]

o.O? why havent I heard of this skill? >.<

[Blaxcalibur]

100% crit skill is epic...though i still think the wrong class got it >.>;


[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

but any other class EXCEPT clerics would be overpowered with it. especially mages/archers (chain cast YAAAAAY)

[cinnaboy200]

level 60 mges can usually kill fighters without charms and sc items but stun and deva is and evil i think fighters stun should miss more though

[Dthugtherealist]

level 60 mges can usually kill fighters without charms and sc items but stun and deva is and evil i think fighters stun should miss more though

Its called get Dex gear Devastate is the most susceptible skill to Eva.

[vandaluske]

You all Whine [removed] and get over it thats how fiesta is.
A Unbalanced Casual Game, It doesnt require Skills for Pvp and is really easy to lvl in.
Thats how it is

[kungfuhobo]

level 60 mges can usually kill fighters without charms and sc items but stun and deva is and evil i think fighters stun should miss more though

A non cs mage doesnt have enough crits to kill a fighter. :O

9 times out of ten..but im a cs fighter i could be wrong. O:

[willy_sage]

stun evens out with kiting... etc..
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[rinsaki]

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[Bonthra]

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Uh, seconded.

[keratzoman]

You all Whine like Little B1tches.
Stfu and get over it thats how fiesta is.
A Unbalanced Casual Game, It doesnt require Skills for Pvp and is really easy to lvl in.
Thats how it is

Perfect example of a sc hoar.=)
How about YOU watch your words next time?These people argue becaues there is a possibility for something to be done for these.
If you want ot play on an unbalanced game,your problem.
Don't tell others to shut up,because you can afford what makes you powerful.
MISTER.

[keratzoman]

even at 100+, if you are competent as a fighter, with a HG shield, you should be able to take any mage 1 v 1.

-Slightly whispers-Add some extender..crit suit..sc pot/tier 4 pot..charms..There:)
EDIT:Sorry for double post..forgot to edit.

[stefan-soan]

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EDIT:Sorry for double post..forgot to edit.

Heh
Mages will try to run as long as possible.
Fighters get a better chance at 10x because of the throwing weapons skill.
Otherwise, Fighters only have the advantage in Close Combat. Which can be impaired by Stifle and such.

[sk8r_dude]

I'm a 51 archer and I recently was killed 1v1 by a low 4x fighter. The stun ability is just too much for any other class to handle. I even see my cleric buddies get killed by low level fighters. Mages also get the fear ability eventually. Maybe clerics, but definately archers will not be complete in PvP until they get some kind of speed decrease/freezing spell that lets them use their strongest skills without getting stunned then killed. Opinions?

Create a mage, And own them.

I HAVE SPOKEN

[themichael]

but any other class EXCEPT clerics would be overpowered with it. especially mages/archers (chain cast YAAAAAY)

Clerics have a chan cast too. Fighters are just left in the dark.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Orashi]

xD bottom line, if you wanted to pvp, you really shouldn't have gone archer. Archers aren't really meant for pvp because for the most part they rely on Damage over time rather than blunt force attack and skills. Here's how I see it

(Rating Usefulness 1~4, 1 being lowest 4 being highest)

PVE: (Solo) Mage: 1 Cleric: 2 Archer: 3 Fighter: 4
PVE: (In Party) Mage: 2 (unless 60+, then 3.5) Cleric: 4, Archer: 2 (Unless 51+, then 3.5) Fighter: 3 (Depending on build and equipment)

PvP: Archer:1 Cleric: 2~3 (Depending on Build) Mage: 3~4 (Depending on Skill empowerment) Fighter: 2~4 (Depending on build, equipment, and skill empowerment)

*Note: All of this I'm basing on using npc equipment and even level vs level*

But even then, this assessment is still extremely vague and a huge generalization. All classes have thier weaknesses and strengths, but my suggestion is this: If you wanna PvP, don't use and archer to do so with until you're at least level 70~80. In my opinion, the best pvp class is the mage hands down.

[themichael]

All is right but archers in PvE.

Archers are rank highest in solo, and lowest in party.

Any party can do just fin without an archer (unless you're in BR) but still the archer is only good for pulling.

Also, Archers beat down competition during 3x-4xs in KQs if they're DEX/STR built.
They stand a chance in 5x-6x, but after about 75 Archers are the worst classs to PvP with by far, unless you have ALOT of skill.

Mages aren't too great in PvP until 73, but still they surpass archers in the 60s. Fighters rule the 60s.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[squirrelbuddy]

I disagree with themichael when he says "archers are ranked highest in solo" I think Clerics are better at soloing by far.....they can enter maps way above there lvl and still kill npcs by themselves. Sure they don't do as much dmg as a mage or fighter but in general the clerics fight strategy is "outlast and weardown" so as long as you have a high def, which most clerics have, and can heal (even if it's low) you'll win. In my mind it's not a matter of strength. If you build a cleric well you can out last anyone and go to maps 10+ your lvl.....I know cause I do it all the time. This goes with any class! If you build your char a specific way for a part of the game play (like group fighting) then it only stands to reason that it will be better at that than some other type of game play (like pvp). What it all comes down to is, how did you build your char? All of my char are balanced so I'm not amazing in either pvp, kq, or (solo/group)npc fights but I can adapt to those fights fairly well. Right now I'm leaning more towards a npc fighting person......I never cared for pvp so I don't do it unless I just wanna test myself and see how long it takes to be killed. If you don't like it don't do it.....there is nothing making you guys do pvp! It's your choice and if you get pwned and don't like it then don't pvp! Kq or something else. (FYI any char can pvp well....it depends on build and skill of the player.) BTW: Fiesta never was a pvp game......that was something they tacked on later cause people were complaining that there was no pvp in the game. Outspark added pvp and now peeps are complaining that it's unfair.......I wonder why they didn't want it in the first place....hmmmmmmm lets think about that..........did you figure it out?........It's because they knew people would complain and now they have all this headache lol. Maybe people shouldn't play this game if there going to complain about every single little "problem" or immagined problem. The problem is layed upon the individual who plays the game because they refuse to give up something(pvp) and expect someone to change it (outspark). Don't ask for change please otherwise you just might get it and some poor Fiesta soul will be playing by your rules and complain about it to the Outspark peeps and continue the madness. Just play what you want to play.......THE END!

[joaocaveira]

Yes fighters do have unfair advantage as long as they arent squishy against mages and have good aim. But still at 100 instead of fighters>archers it is archers>fighters in pvp kq cause archers can perm hide so they never get killed
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[Krozz]

Clerics have a chan cast too. Fighters are just left in the dark.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]That's because fighters under lvl 100 don't really have any skills that they need it for, and chain deva would just be ridiculously overpowered :/

[Eternal_Doom]

That's because fighters under lvl 100 don't really have any skills that they need it for, and chain deva would just be ridiculously overpowered :/

Eh, Chain Deva wouldn't make a difference in my opinion.

*Shrugs*

[Krozz]

I think it would...with enough aim a lvl 60 fighter easily kill lvl 80 mages using chain deva. But as it is they don't really need it anyways, deva doesn't really have all that much cool down.

[enn19842]

Maybe u should try a different build...i like the archer class but i also get pwn alot . I know that archers wont be able to pwn fighers any time soon but im trying to work on it(trying different build's, different gears,putting the empowerment on different skills then what ppl say u have to put it on). From the way i see it, if u cant beat a fighter and simply dont fight him/her. If u know ur going to get pwn then y bother getting pwn. Another tip that i found out and other ppl might not agree on is that power shot sucks...its takes too long to cast and its not that strong from aim shot so i didnt bother to put any empowerment on power shot...i think power shot was the wrost skill the archers got(thinks it is useless). Anyways back to my point archers are not meant for pvp untill higher lvl...i seen the lvl 100+ skills and i think they pwn ^_^

[Krozz]

Although my cousin would disagree with me, archers can be pretty good for PvP. He'd also disagree with me that HE'S good at PvP, even though he is, so I'm not gonna have you talk to him. He'd probably just discourage you even more. Rest assured though, archers CAN kill fighters. I laugh whenever I see a fighter spamming skills on an archer and barely hitting him. Although, I'm pretty sure figthers DO have the second highest aim in the game.

[jimboace]

An archer can never kill a fighter in pvp, even one a fewl lvls lower unless the fighter is really dumb.

If you stand and fight, you get devastated, demoralized and stunned. You stone up and fire a few times before it starts all over, then you die. While you are stunned, the fighter restones. My lvl 7x archer is full dex and I still get stunned frequently enough that eventually I have to run from fighters some levels below me. Sure I survive, but never kill.

If you kite, any fighter worth his salt simply won't follow you. Again, you survive, but you still never kill.

The only way I can imagine an archer killing a fighter is to goad, irritate, insult and harass him until he is so mad he follows you to hell and you kite him to death. I have never actually done that because I think it is wrong, but I can think of no other way. Eventually even the dumbest of fighters figures it out and quits following you.

[Shadowic2]

Please do not Necro-Post.

Thank You.

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