Should PvP be closed down?

[catry]

I probably should be writing my long overdue English paper but this just kept bugging me... >.>

Since the opening of PvP, the community has fallen apart more than ever. Insults are getting slung left and right because so-and-so interrupted this-and-that's duo or this-guild-went-on-that-rampage and now everyone hates them, etc. etc.
Frankly, I think the lack of rules, lack of plain judgment, manners, and common sense is spilling out into the community. People have gotten banned or warned, fights have broken out, friends have lost friends and stabbed other friends in the back.
Our community was already in fairly bad shape before open PvP came out (notice how nowadays we never rally over anything except Sparkcash issues!) between rising Xen prices and constant squabbles about AoE. Do we really need this as well?

Let me know what you think!

[thrakx]

i dont pvp so it doesnt effect me in the least. However I do think that I would be more likely to if the system was tweaked effectively. Many of the reasons I stay away are the same things people are always crying about, but you know what? If you dont like it dont go- its not going to kill you to NOT have some PvP.
I mean cmon, everyone cried about it for so long and they got exactly what they asked for. PvP arena. Yeah it needs work but so does almost everything about this game.

[SyneX]

Since the opening of PvP, the community has fallen apart more than ever. Insults are getting slung left and right because so-and-so interrupted this-and-that's duo or this-guild-went-on-that-rampage and now everyone hates them, etc. etc.

I said that b4 and after it came.
PvP is splitting the community in low and high. Like in rl poor and rich.
But in virtual playground ppl are whining more.

And a suggestion for our "High" lvls:
Be kind and friendly. You have been a Noob once too. And you are one if u kill them. How should a lvl 30 defend a lvl 112+ or 80+???
Pick on your own lvl, thats just fair.

I can understand the whiners, rly, they want to duel with others of there lvl and to intefere in duels is just rude.

So I voted yes. Remove free PvP.

[justin_2006]

i agree with thrakx
--edit--
and synex









and i find it silly how ppl take some of these game issues so darn serious....
its like "OMFG WHATS HIS FACE KILLED WHATS HIS NAME!!! IM TOTALLY GONNA PWN HIM!!!" then he kills the other guy in pvp and then a grudge is held and future fights occur which leads to others possibly joining and saying how much theyre gonna "avenge" their friend.... >.>

omg guys, so what u died in pvp.... what did u lose?? no exp was lost... u woulda used the pots up anyway if u won... and shame?! geeez its a game...[lol the last part rhymed ^.--]

[SyneX]

Justin, they don't learn that and wont do it. Idc of deaths, but they. So its good to close pvp.

[justin_2006]

buh i like pvping every other weekend D:

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[PayCarebear]

Well, no, I don't think it should be taken out.
I think rules should be enforced a little more in PvP but it shouldn't be taken out.
Too many people in PvP think that the rude things they do are allowed because nothing is enforced and some of it isn't bad enough to report. Some of it is, but the rest isn't.

But, to be honest, if nothing is solved soon or atleast if some rules aren't enforced, I can see myself quickly changing my mind. ._.

I agree that PvP is getting out of hand but I don't think you can blame the community recently falling out a bit only on PvP.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

I have to agree for that, seriously.

They should have put on any option about level restriction to enter, example:

LV:1-25
LV:26-45
LV:46-65
LV:66-95
LV:96+

That just a example i give there, they should have put that before make PvP.
Also no SC allowed on PvP should have be put as restriction too to make it fair for everyone.

Well that my opinion for that!

[D-Styles]

i think pvp is fine the way it is..

if you want a duel, there are other pvp rooms to go to. I mean.. if you're going into the one called "free" pvp, i dont see why there needs to be any restrictions whatsoever, you should know the consequences if you step into a place knowing you can be killed easy. If you cant take the heat, then leave and come back another time. Some people are more friendly than others, and some are not.. thats just how it goes.

and i agree, some people need to just chill out with all the pvp drama going on. Dont take it too seriously.. Besides, im sure we'd all hate it if we had to wait for a warp into the pvp arena which half of us always miss, rather than having to pay a small kron fee each time

[yin_yan]

mhmm yh theres no harm in pvp, and i don't think it should be taken out, its all apart of the fun i guess.

But it should be improved on, they should try impose more rules for it.
They should create arenas in each city for different lvl tiers. Tho that may take some time.
And yh u get higher lvls killin n00bs is not right.

Tho if not if u dn't like it simply don't go, or go to a different PvP room.

It does need alot of work on tho, jus like everything else in this game, so if something does happen i guess it'll take a long time till it does.

[blake3470]

Pvp shouldn't be closed. Just add some rules like level restrictions (yes I know many people already said this). I'm a lower level, so I get killed a lot by high level jerks who think they are so awesome by clearing the area of newbs. So just add some level restrictions, and many people will be happier.

[Necronomicron]

Omg people u really have so much problem with pvp?
Do people pick on u more in there or something (to the ones who want
it to get removed).
So if that pvp gets removed u think the community will be peaceful and loving?
don't make me laugh. >_>

No, I think its fine the way it is and it will not get better.


LV:1-25
LV:26-45
LV:46-65
LV:66-95
LV:96+
oh that's just funny, u think any 66 lvl have more then 0.5% chance of winning with 95?
Another, tell me how many 1-25 lvls come to pvp?

[TheDarkSenshi]

Well, I honestly can say PvP is PvP. Keep it, but I agree with a lv. restriction.

Although this:

LV:1-25
LV:26-45
LV:46-65
LV:66-95
LV:96+

I think you have the right idea..but those levels just dont match up well. But I think there's a great idea tho.

either way you look at it..pvp is still just that. I stay away cuz personally I don't like pvp.

[Kendrah]

People will always be people, in game and out. I DON'T want the PVP closed. That solves nothing but an immediate discomfort.

Yeah, sometimes it gets wild, but suck it up. It's just a game and it's just 800k to come back in, should no healer rev you (personally, I think you should carrying insignia's on your person just for that.) Most of the time it's a nice enviroment. Should you give up eating apples altogether for the chance rotten one?

[MarvHartigan]

As it has already been stated, the best option would be a lvl restriction (a bit more strick than Clyde's, maybe every 15 lvl, no idea) ...and also a duel arena.

Adios!

[Turbo-X-]

Well i dont pvp alot... i been there like couple times XDD. i would like to pvp maybe later when im not farming, especially when im bored of leveling.

I think its a good idea for level restrictions on other rooms but free pvp room should be like it says "free for all" battle. Also i would like the NO SC items/pots that way the fight wont take forever XDD because its not about tactics or skill who wins its about who has more SC def and more SC pots that will win.

PvP almost keeps other players from leveling that way they dont take maps im going. SO go ahead stay in pvp... get mad and upset that u want to turn ur PC off, then i will take over leveling spots or farm library.. :D whahahwahaha :rolleyes:

[techno-viking]

just ban that guild begining with B and that annoying rogue who's name begins with H and PVP will be ok.

[SyneX]

So true ^^

[MarvHartigan]

hahahahah *agrees* xD

[opensunflowers]

Even though it REALLY TICKS ME OFF when some people go on killing sprees...
i understand that it's all part of "FREE pvp".
They're probably never going to implement any sot of regulation (really, what can they do?) and I suppose people who want to duel can just go to party pvp.

YES, I should not be 'FORCED' to take my duel to a party pvp arena when it is NOT party pvp, but USUALLY the KoSers in pvp take breaks from killing ;P

free pvp, free-for-all, etc.

:/


oh and i agree with blue blaze =D
Should you give up eating apples altogether for the chance of a rotten one?

[poochyenarulez]

i only think there should be a duel arena so u can fight your friends 1 on 1 or even 2 on 2 to see whos stronger or something.

in free pvp your there to kill or be killed so that only the strongest survive, not the weakest, and if you die alot, get a higher level to help you out some until u get a higher level so u don't get killed as easily.

[notFire]

Does anyone notice that the people that say PVP is fine are usually (note my use of the word usually) the people that are 96+ and a member of the "higher leveled" tier? Funny how that works...

This was a great post Kit. Open PVP is one of the things that brought me back to SoS after a long stay away from it, but now I feel like I cant even have fun with my friends without BAMF and their lackey guilds (ZOMG, I said what others couldnt!), coming in and beating the snot out of me and my other friends that I am having fun with.

And dont gimme this "its PVP" crap, thats no excuse for ignorance and lack of thought for other players. Because thats exactly what it is, IGNORANCE. And thats exactly what the KoS'ers are, IGNORANT. Its a way of saying "you cant have fun because I wanna have fun killing you, regardless of what you are doing with YOUR friends."

and whats worse is, I used to agree with the consensus that you should go to other arenas to duel, but now I think thats a crock of crap. Why do I have to go somewhere else to conform for OTHERS?

If you ask me, the trouble in PVP rests on the shoulders of the high levels that choose to impart their power upon unsuspecting, and innocent, people.

I have lost a large degree of respect for some of those that I previously held in high regard. Maybe if the higher levels wanna mess around, THEY should go to another arena so myself and others can actually have fun without having to fear that others will come in and ruin it. Cause thats what this is about, FUN, and if you ask me, the thing that brought me back to SoS isnt fun anymore, its a way for people to abuse their power.

flame me, pick me apart, do as you choose, but I dont see many of you sticking up for the little man, the little neo's that get abused, the little appy's that get bullied.

edit- I conducted an experiment a few days ago. I went into PVP on my 4X disc, and i attempted to run across the arena without getting killed. Yeah, I tried 13 times, and didnt make it across once. Never said a word, never hit a thing. And later tried to duel a guild member of mine, and got owned by a few of BAMF's trigger happy archers.

You really wanna say this isnt a problem?

[captain_awesomeness]

@notFire's post....Yeah, I know there's this thing about not blacklisting or anything, not speaking of any character/guild/account specifically....but everybody KNOWS who it is doing the "wipes" on the PvP arena. Hell, you can even go to BAMF's guild thread where they say they perform regular wipes in the PvP arena. They're not trying to keep it a secret by any means, so nobody who refers to BAMF and their propensity for coming to PvP and wiping out the players there should be subject to disciplinary action because it has become common knowledge.

That having been said....they really need to knock it off. They shouldn't be "forcing" legitimate duelers to use different arenas, nor should they be interfering in those fights. They also should get some wins the same way the lower level players do - by actually taking a challenge and fighting against someone their level. What I find particularly appalling is how they actually take pride in wiping out an arena full of characters 30 levels lower than them. And I'm going to die laughing the day a bunch of level 7x and 8x characters get sick of these wipes and decide to gang up on one of them sitting there in the arena.

As far as the rest of us go, who get to within inches of a win before these callous, offensive intruders come in and carelessly screw it all up....we won't be there much for you to flaunt your power on us. Go out and grind instead...be a real BAMF and catch up to Charon Sirus's level. And leave us alone for a while to get some wins.

[hypersonic]

i think we need more arenas (although a ban sounds tempting >.>), me and my guild mates go in the pvp arean to mess around with each other, and we CAN'T use other arena's (we're in the same guild so bashing each other in guild pvp is no no, and we're partied to see each others hp, so again party pvp is a no no)
"ITS PVP NUB"
"GO USE DIFFERENT ARENA"
yea thanks for that >.>

also banning the h rogue from entering the pvp +1 :D

also i think there should be a BAMF and lacky guilds arena, if you go in there you know wats gunna happen >.>

[Dragonfly77]

Wait! don't remove it until I've gotten my revenge on all the people who picked on me in pvp when I was a newb!!!! Then once I'm done, remove so they can't come and fight back!! ;)

[TRXSTA]

@ Fire: Speaking for myself, I held the same opinion when I was 7x and under as I do now. I rarely get upset in pvp (I do have one thing that gets to me, though) and understand that free pvp is free pvp. I realize, however, I am very much in the minority. Although, devil's advocate for a second: when you call KoS'ers ignorant because they're denying you your fun, by trying to tell them they can't kill you... aren't you denying them their sense of fun? It may be less socially acceptable than yours, but it's "fun" nonetheless. Why is one "fun" more right than another?

I guess my last point here'll be about your mini-experiment. Do it more than once, different time, different day, whatever. Any successful experiment requires multiple trials.

[dylanangel]

I conducted my own experiment and here it is

1st run in pvp was cool. I was in with friends and had friends inform me one person was whispering them to kill me. I got a good laugh out of that considering this person was a low lvl who had a high lvl they weren't able to play atm. So things that went out of hand somewhere else have flowed over into the game where I am now a target by this person who will whisper anyone to kill me because of something they assume happened.

I got on my baby aco and sat there to give this person the opportunity to attack me themselves and they never did. I helped this person on a few occasions because I don't hold grudges against anyone when something happens on here. I had plenty of insignia's to rez players who were simply having fun and thats what pvp was atm.

Then when I logged back into my warrior I was talking to a friend when a sin attacked me for no reason and attempted to kill me. I laughed because I did not even touch this person but boy was he trying to kill me. My warrior has no gears on either so I had to run for the sz which I didn't like to do. I like to fight if I am being hit.

2nd day in pvp was worse than the 1st. I will say I was in pvp with bamf and they didnt touch me nor kill my baby aco. I have not encountered the "must kill all" bamf everyone is talking about. I did encounter a templar who was trying to kill the lower lvl chars and once again in comes that sin who tried to kill me the day before. He didn't touch me until I mentioned the templar and how it was horrible she was only trying to kill lower lvls. He then killed my baby aco 2x. There was a great group in pvp who was protecting the lower lvls which I thought was great. I saw our community come together with a few bad apples.

I will conduct another run to see if I encounter the "must kill all" bamf but I have not as of yet.

BTW I voted no

[SakuraSweetStar]

With me I must vote "I dont know" Because personally its fun to watch the fights! I just dont like ...what i call a "Pvp bully" I do not have any against them. Just dont see the point in having fun with friends when you and them are getting bullied. But personally it just depends on the person. There are mostly friendly players that wont attack you or help you if your getting attacked out of no where by a higher level. So really..I do agree there are enough problems and with fire's post. But to me I just am bad at picking an option xD ;.; but nice thread kit! :3 hope to talk to you in game soon~! (hope i can find something to talk about first x3)

[deoxys114]

I agree with the lvl system. But make it more like this:

Lvl 20-40
Lvl 41-60
Lvl 61-80
Lvl 81-100
Lvl 100+

Something like that.

Yes I have noticed that the ppl that say PvP is fine the way it is, are usually high lvls. Why is that? Because they are loaded with SC and can actually survive more than 4 seconds.

I have been trying to get my guild to do this, but it is a no go. Try doing this. Get a couple of dedicated ppl together, and mass lvl as much as possible. Get to lvl 8x or 9x. Then walk into PvP and destroy any KoSers or just ppl being jerks.

This is to you BAMF:

BE A MAN FOO! DON'T BE A JERK! HELP PPL! BECAUSE A MAN ISN'T ONE THAT CAN OBLITERATE EVERYONE IN SIGHT! IT IS ONE THAT PROTECTS OTHERS! TAKE YOUR OWN GUILD'S NAME AND ACTUALLY FOLLOW IT!

[SakuraSweetStar]

just wanna say at deoxy...how can we hang out with our friends?.......I wouldnt be able to hang out with most of my friends with that system D: (just saying..)

[TRXSTA]

One, it would be supplemental, most likely. It would not replace free pvp. Two, if you mean strictly to chat, which I assume you don't... do it outside of pvp.

[D-Styles]

I still dont see why you would want to remove pvp still..

"ITS ADDED GAME CONTENT"

it'd be going in the reverse direction removing it.. i mean it gives me more to do in the game and kill some time when im not always doing the usual thing. Even though im one of the few who say to "suck it up, its pvp" or something, to the ones that know me can vouch and say that im no pvp bully..

[Necronomicron]

I still dont see why you would want to remove pvp still..

"ITS ADDED GAME CONTENT"

it'd be going in the reverse direction removing it.. i mean it gives me more to do in the game and kill some time when im not always doing the usual thing. Even though im one of the few who say to "suck it up, its pvp" or something, to the ones that know me can vouch and say that im no pvp bully..

EXACTLY D:

when it wasnt here ppl were only waiting for pvp events, now this game is more interesting, if u dont like it DONT COME no1 can make u to >_>;

PS
even if u die so what? that scores do nothing and no1 except u can see them so *** do u care?
(its not like u cant come back 10 sec later either >_> )

[CyroMega]

EXACTLY D:

when it wasnt here ppl were only waiting for pvp events, now this game is more interesting, if u dont like it DONT COME no1 can make u to >_>;

PS
even if u die so what? that scores do nothing and no1 except u can see them so *** do u care?
(its not like u cant come back 10 sec later either >_> )

Noo......what Kit Y meant was what PvP was doing to SoS in general, it makes more tension between people and guilds, etc.

But without pvp I wouldn't be able to own Uncle Milvert nub <_<

[RikanKhaos]

*sob* you ppl cry too much. 1st pvp is exactly what it means.if you enter a map and come out of sz, does the agro care that you just went there to chill? its not a chill spot there are towns for that sort of things. if you enter the pvp arena you do it at own risk knowin that theres someone whether he is ignorant or not that is going to kill you. so if you dont want to be killed its simple dont go in. and stop the cryin for heavens sake its a game you ppl take it too personal.

[ggBuRNe]

I say the free arena should be closed and Gm should revert back to weekly or daily Solstice Survivor Event with Prizes.. At least we can get prize from PvPing..

I miss those days... Solstice Survivor FTW!!!

I pledge for daily or weekly SS.. Solstice Survivor..

[deoxys114]

As stated above, there would still be Free PvP if the Lvl Divided PvP is entered.

Second, just as there is no rule saying that you can't kill lower lvls and mess up duels, there is no rule that says you can't whine. I will whine all I want.

If you are killed tons of times with no res and keep running in, that 800 kron adds up. It is like the awakening. When you die, you warp to saved town. You warp back to monster filled town. Over and over, that money gradually adds up. It does make a difference.

[raemrazr]

If you don't like paying the 800 kron fee to go, simply don't go. And Healers have no obligation to heal you either, just as you don't like to spend 800 kron to enter the arena, healers shouldn't have to spend the cost of an insignia to revive. PvP isn't a neccesity, you can choose to go or not go, if you don't like the system for what it is, then choose against going.

[hypersonic]

i like the way most of the people saying if you don't like dying don't go in are the bullies (except dj, i vouch for him) lol >.>

[notFire]

*sob* you ppl cry too much. 1st pvp is exactly what it means.if you enter a map and come out of sz, does the agro care that you just went there to chill? its not a chill spot there are towns for that sort of things. if you enter the pvp arena you do it at own risk knowin that theres someone whether he is ignorant or not that is going to kill you. so if you dont want to be killed its simple dont go in. and stop the cryin for heavens sake its a game you ppl take it too personal.

My example of ignorance is proven right here. Sorry Rikan, but this was perhaps the most shortsighted reply I have seen in this thread. A shame we cant rep anymore, you'd be short one from me.

I say the free arena should be closed and Gm should revert back to weekly or daily Solstice Survivor Event with Prizes.. At least we can get prize from PvPing..

I miss those days... Solstice Survivor FTW!!!

I pledge for daily or weekly SS.. Solstice Survivor..

This is perhaps the best idea ever. Odd that this comes from a BAMF member, when the above post I cited was also from a BAMF member, such a contrast. o.o

Leave it to Foger to prove that BAMF isnt completely full of ignoramus'. Thanks Foger, there may be some hope for respect for others from the high levelers. A shame we cant rep anymore, you'd have one more from me.

[RikanKhaos]

lmao fire...blah blah blah ignorance this ignorance that...aint this whole world built on bullies and ignorance? and what are we reppin dude? we never repped anything together in this game. im not even going to get personal cuz i know how i got to where i am. simple if you dont want to loose points or dont want to be bullied or killed dont go its not a place to chill its a place to prove yourself. and ive seen my odds and ends in this game.

[AmirulAkmal]

agree Ban rogue name beginning with H,he started killed me 3 times,lucky i killed him 4 times,some ppl in pvp said "DANG THAT WAS FAST"..muahaha lvl 7x killed lvl 8x wooot..LMAO

[deoxys114]

Along with Foger, there is one more high lvl player that you can respect. And this person is a Sin too. This person is Blue Blaze.

its not a place to chill its a place to prove yourself.

I TOTALLY understand you Rikan. I mean nothing proves that you are strong than to wipe out all low lvls coming in to PvP. Grats to you dude. I recognize your greatness in PvP. Oh and your Jerkness too.

[RikanKhaos]

dude pls ive seen lvl 40s pick on lvl20s so its just not high lvls that do that. you just need a finger to point at. be realistic dude...do something about it if you dont want to get pwned every time you set foot in pvp. thats what i did i grinded until i couldnt grind anymore and i still keep grinding so i dont fall back. not my fault that you need a finger to point at to excuse you lazyness to grind and wantin plvlin. this is what solstice has become a bunch of noobs always wanting plvlin and when you hit lvl80 you go broke buyin unknown books to lvl yourself. so stop with the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah and grind for a chance.

[deoxys114]

Woah when did this turn into pointing fingers and wanting plvling? I never once asked anyone for a plvl unless it was a joke.

As for lvl 40s picking on lvl 20s, anyone can actually stop them. There isn't anyone above the lvl 90s killing lvl 20s. We can't stop that.

And did you not see my post about whining? We can whine all we want. No rule against it. And if you say then there is no rule against killing low lvls, I agree. But it is common courtesy. Just as not whining is common courtesy. But hey, guess what? Want us to shut up? Then stop killing us for just the reason "It's PvP."

Back to topic plz.

[tankofinsanity]

I dont really get why people would sit in the middle of the arena

while understanding it is fully possible to be killed by a certain assasin

and complain once they die

you can always NOT go there and enjoy a decent game

you guys should know in some MMORPG

PVP is allowed throughout the whole world

and if you die, your belongings will drop onto the ground

and the only thing that is stopping them from killing u is they are only allowed to kill 1 player every week, if they kill more the game set a bounty on them and they cannot enter cities anymore for the week

I remember first starting out in that game, a high lvl guy was like :"hey let me show u how to play the game"

and he lure me way away from the city, and had his friend who already was on the bounty list kill me, and stole my nub gears, and called me a nub

comparing to that SOTS pvp is a freaking paradise

[saiguru]

Too often people assume an opinion that is different from thiers is the same as a display of ignorance. Im talking to you Fire. You praise foger for agreeing with you i also agree with him. If we gonna wipe arena, we may as well get a prize for it.

I'll be first to admit i love to run into pvp and indiscriminitely attack anything i see, whatever the level. Sometimes i go in and help someone being ganged, duel with other bamf, or have crazy pile-ons with adrenaline. I especially enjoy poking people who like to sit in the middle of the arena and chat all day like its a new guild room for them and watch them become appalled that i had the audacity to hit them in what is basically a virtual gladiator arena.

I remember i once killed someone and thier reaction was to curse me up and down and give me thier address to go fight them in real life. I suppose he figured he was a higher level in person. Theres so many different reactions i've encountered. some people laugh and hang out for a chat, and some people go complain on forums how thier gaming life is ruined by big mean bullies with pixel blood lust. Which reaction do you think generates the best response? Half the ime i apologize after killing someone and find a revive for them and leave them alone. But when someone says i need to be banned, beat up, shunned, or branded as a dagger wielding sociopath, of course imma just go ahead and kill them again.

scary scary bamf cold heartless losers with too much time go fight your own level.

the thing is, no one is our size. no one is our level. and most of us arent the insane bullies you percieve and do not kill people in pvp out of some sort of disgusting ignorant malice. We do it cause we can. and so would you.

[RikanKhaos]

hmmmmmmmm lets see were not pointing fingers but that person that said that guild that starts with a b and that player that starts with an h should be banned. correct me if im wrong but that is one heck of a finger point there. anyways lets make as an add, shall we? Tired of being picked on? Tired of being made fun of because of your lvl? how about i gave you a solution that will turn your character around in a 360 degree spin. now listen carefully because this will change your in game life around. Get some spark cash, get an 100% boost book, stop being lazy and grind your heads off until you cant no more and when you can no longer grind get a red bull from the fridge and tell yourself "you can do it".

[tankofinsanity]

too often people assume a different opinion from thiers is same as a display of ignorance. Im talking to you Fire. funny you praise foger just for saying something you can agree with.

I'll be first to admit i love to run into pvp and indiscriminitely attack anything i see, whatever the level. Sometimes i go in and help someone being ganged, somteimes duel with other bamf, or have crazy pile-ons with adrenaline. I remember i once killed someone and thier reaction was to curse me up and down and give me thier address to go fight them in real life, some people laugh and hang out for a chat, and some people go complain on forums how thier gaming life is ruined by big mean bullies with pixel blood lust. Half the ime i apologize after killing someone.

scary scary bamf cold heartless losers with too much time go fight your own level.

the thing is, no one is our size. no one is our level. and most of us arent the insane bullies you percieve and do not kill people in pvp out of some sort of disgusting ignorant malice. We do it cause we can. and so would you.

I challenge you to a mano-v-mano fight in real life Sai

we will meet at the Al Qaeda headquarter

and we will both wear a "I am American" T-shirt to identify each other

BE THERE >=D

[notFire]

too often people assume a different opinion from thiers is same as a display of ignorance. Im talking to you Fire. funny you praise foger just for saying something you can agree with.

I'll be first to admit i love to run into pvp and indiscriminitely attack anything i see, whatever the level. Sometimes i go in and help someone being ganged, somteimes duel with other bamf, or have crazy pile-ons with adrenaline. I remember i once killed someone and thier reaction was to curse me up and down and give me thier address to go fight them in real life, some people laugh and hang out for a chat, and some people go complain on forums how thier gaming life is ruined by big mean bullies with pixel blood lust. Half the ime i apologize after killing someone.

scary scary bamf cold heartless losers with too much time go fight your own level.

the thing is, no one is our size. no one is our level. and most of us arent the insane bullies you percieve and do not kill people in pvp out of some sort of disgusting ignorant malice. We do it cause we can. and so would you.

heh, i praised Foger for being the first BAMF member with half a brain to post in this thread. And for actually making a contribution other than "get over it, its pvp."

man, what happened to you guys? To think some people used to look up to you all as the best players in your class, only to now see those that kill, how was it said... "we do it cause we can?" Talk about falling from grace.

and to augment that, no, I WOULDNT. I do not let the power and level go to my head like half of you that step into the arena. notFire was never a KoS'er, and any characters I make wont stoop "down" to your levels.

Stick to fighting, cause so far, from this thread, and those of you in PVP, that seems to be all you are good at.

[opensunflowers]

Okay I don't understand why some people go to pvp "just to hang out"...like the people that just walk in and sit down (sometimes setting up shop o_O) and expect nothing to happen to them. That's what town is for. :/

Also...sitting in a giant group of friends...just...SITTING...doesn't belong in PvP. Again...that's what town is for. Don't get ticked off because someone comes over and kills you.

Either use the arena or get out. D<

[Kendrah]

Along with Foger, there is one more high lvl player that you can respect. And this person is a Sin too. This person is Blue Blaze.

Whaddaya talkin about? I'm totally a cold blooded killah. >D You should ask Sai. I've totally savaged him on multiple occasions. Bwaha Bwahahhahaha!

[catry]

Okay I don't understand why some people go to pvp "just to hang out"...like the people that just walk in and sit down (sometimes setting up shop o_O) and expect nothing to happen to them. That's what town is for. :/

Also...sitting in a giant group of friends...just...SITTING...doesn't belong in PvP. Again...that's what town is for. Don't get ticked off because someone comes over and kills you.

Either use the arena or get out. D<

I think this goes back to when PvP wasn't free and the only way in was after an event. People would try to maximize their time spent there and that would usually only last until the last healer with revives left.

I've said this repeatedly, people go into PvP with different agendas. Some go there to find friends because they know that's where their friends are. Some go in to test skills and poke around to see how they match up to others. Some just go in to beat the stuffing out of others.

Simply put, PvP right now is too much mismatch. You have players basically forcing their views and desires on others. To top that people reinforce these with taunts, threats, and other forms of verbal abuse, which apparently from the copy-and-paste responses I've gotten from Outspark are permitted just because it's PvP. What one player identifies as harassment another views as "teaching a lesson" and it seems that Outspark nowadays sides with the latter.

Is this right that Outspark refuses to make rules and even suspends their existing ones for the arena?

It's easy to say to leave "What goes on in PvP, stays in PvP." But I've had several friends turn on me altogether because of PvP. No matter what the issues are just going to keep spilling out because most normal human beings have emotions, and they tend to come out in situations such as these.

I'm not saying the PvP should be closed forever; I'm saying close it until Outspark (or perhaps even us as a community) gets its act together and establish some sort of guidelines about what is crossing the line. Because until then stuff is going to keep spilling out into the community. Some of you say it's been going down before Open PvP came out. This thread in itself and the replies and replies to replies is a testament to that! Is it really necessary to keep dumping on to that pile of failing community? O.o

[raemrazr]

I can understand why people get angry when duels are interrupted, they're revkilled repeatedly, etc. But why do some people insist on getting upset when they came to PvP just to sit and talk? As Taney stated, there are towns for that. Perhaps there should be duel arenas or even No Revival Arenas, but those who come in just to chat should expect that in "Free" PvP, they can be killed at anytime, afterall, that is what "Free" PvP is. The arena isn't designed for players to just sit and chat, it's made for those who want to fight, whether the way they fight be deemed "unfair" or not.

[Teiji25]

I voted no because "we do it cause we can." LOL

Pretty much raem, taney, sai, etc already gave my reasons.

Your choices beside whining are
1) Stay out of PVP or stay in the sz
2) Hope Outspark will make level-limited arenas
3) Get your friends/allies or whatever and kill whoever is the "bully" in your mind

[RikanKhaos]

you know kit whatever outspark does to improve(the little they do) to make us happy is never enough. Cuz theres always something or someone thats gonna come up and complain about the silliest thing. Why did i avoid pvp for the longest? cuz i was the #1 bounty in there. so i did as everyone has said, i stayed out and dint show my face. and fire dude i can understand that your upset but there is no need to undermine ppl.look at the reality, what is pvp?cuz we did our bullien plenty of times with mtg when we had the game on lock.not everyone has the same point of views.but i do think we can all understand what is pvp and why its there.but being told how it is dont make ppl happy. life doesnt stop on the count that you want to pause it. i do understand that pvp is to have fun and shouldnt be taken so seriously as of a lot of players have done. but pls your gonna sit there and say "i wouldnt do that" thats a laugh. so seriously get over yourself and stop complainin so much about petty things. cuz i bet you if they took pvp away you would also complain about that i can put money on that account.

[saiguru]

Blueblaze is a coldblooded killer and teaches me lessons daily.

Fire, he contributed how? By agreeing with you. He has to be a genuis to share your opinion even slightly i guess.

You're saying I, and others who believe that this psuedo discussion of virtual morality is a bunch of nonsense, am not making a contribution to the thread and that our vileness is rooted in ignorance of your views of what is happening in PvP. We lack empathy, we lack morals, we lack basic upstanding good citizenship and your reaction is to write off our view as we purportedly are doing to yours. Here's my veiw on your PvP "discussion"

At bottom, it comes to this. OMG you killed me and you're a *DELETED*. I'll get you for this! Thats what i hear every day. I think to myself, jeez i been killed in PvP and never said that to someone. I was just having some fun. And they ramble on, sometimes in shout. dont let up. Then theads pop up. ban all with Bamf name they killed me in pvp while i was dueling and once i looked up to them.

weeks of that, and pretty soon you become calloused, and soon you dont care about finding revives, about thier levels, about thier friends or what your so called respect and grace matters to anyone.

I was low level once and killed a lot in pvp. now that im high levelled and can defend myself or kill someone in PvP im supposed to go in the arena and hand out rainbows? Now that all the grinding and practicing has begun to pay off i get cursed at and reviled any time i so much as poke someone? What do you expect a persons reaction is going to be when constantly berated for playing the game better than most? How about a group of people? Maybe that group will become tight knit friends who decide they dont care about you having fun, not when so many have so much bad to say when most of those loud-mouths have never talked to or really encountered any of them.you'll find that there is no godly possesion of grace or heir of respect and that they are just people playing a dumb game where you get stronger the better you play so they can kick everyone elses ***.

Some bamf members never set foot in the PvP arena, yet all of you are willing to paint with such a broad brush that you wouldnt care if they get Banned along with the ones that do. Screw thier fun as long as you get yours? Very Bamf of you.

I'm not saying "it's pvp get over it". I'm saying get over us. Some of us are nice as pie, some are pvp bullies, some dont pvp at all. All of us just wanna play game just like you do, the problem is we more visable because of our levels and everything we do held up to your light. And im speaking for myself with this part, i dont care what you expect of me cause if i feel like being nice and helping or having fun and killing in pvp, im gonna do it regardless whateever some forum stomping loud-mouths have to say about.

[opensunflowers]

I think this goes back to when PvP wasn't free and the only way in was after an event. People would try to maximize their time spent there and that would usually only last until the last healer with revives left.

I've said this repeatedly, people go into PvP with different agendas. Some go there to find friends because they know that's where their friends are. Some go in to test skills and poke around to see how they match up to others. Some just go in to beat the stuffing out of others.

Simply put, PvP right now is too much mismatch. You have players basically forcing their views and desires on others. To top that people reinforce these with taunts, threats, and other forms of verbal abuse, which apparently from the copy-and-paste responses I've gotten from Outspark are permitted just because it's PvP. What one player identifies as harassment another views as "teaching a lesson" and it seems that Outspark nowadays sides with the latter.

Is this right that Outspark refuses to make rules and even suspends their existing ones for the arena?

It's easy to say to leave "What goes on in PvP, stays in PvP." But I've had several friends turn on me altogether because of PvP. No matter what the issues are just going to keep spilling out because most normal human beings have emotions, and they tend to come out in situations such as these.

I'm not saying the PvP should be closed forever; I'm saying close it until Outspark (or perhaps even us as a community) gets its act together and establish some sort of guidelines about what is crossing the line. Because until then stuff is going to keep spilling out into the community. Some of you say it's been going down before Open PvP came out. This thread in itself and the replies and replies to replies is a testament to that! Is it really necessary to keep dumping on to that pile of failing community? O.o

Good point, it WAS fun to chill in PvP back when PvP was special. It's... not so special anymore. xD I think (from my own experiences) that the KoSers kill now because it's really no problem to just restart and walk back to PvP. (Unless you're lazy...like me :< )

I know people go in there to seek friends out, BUT... >>; what do people expect? oh man, I almost just said "it's PvP" which I would have got berated for saying xDD But um <<;; why would someone walk in there and then get angry because they died T_T it's the equivelent of walking into a warzone. o_O

If outspark has truly said "its pvp" as an excuse for harrassment / profanities... shame on them. Maybe our community leaders can have some sort of talk with...someone? o_O; to get outspark to get their act together.

(if friends turned on you because of pvp...then be happy they showed you who they really were << no more wasting time with friends who'll backstab you! =D )

& i haven't noticed the community going down. >> maybe you hang with the wrong peeps, yo. D:
ANNND...honestly...people will always be jerks. they'll always kill you just because they can. that will never change .-.
guidelines for free pvp...seems contradictory Dx

oh and please ignore the spelling errors <__<;; it's late. and...this post isn't meant to be a personal attack? xD i hope that's obvious D:

[dylanangel]

Alright the insults and the obscene language will be the thing to close this thread down.

I am letting this thread stay open because yes its pvp and yes people are free to go in and do as they wish but please a little common courtesy for your fellow player is not hard to understand. Maybe you reading that its not fun to be beaten up on when you went in there to "check it out" you will stop the beatings.

I had fun in pvp the other day. I was not targeted except for the 2 examples I gave.

[AnimePimp66]

sure ppl will always get frustrated(including me) with the thing known as free pvp all sorts of annoying things can happen from lil noobs sticking yer bh or evil voiced opponent or constant duel interference by bored high lvs but game goes on... ppl get over it...just go back out and grind or set up shop and sleep ya needen sleep foos<-- (that b me sometimes xD) this game doesn't revolve around pvp and frustrations in pvp arena for the most part stay in pvp arena if pvp frustrates u do like rikan said and go out and play the game and lv foo . ppl whined forever for warps for pvp when no free arena and now they have it and ppl want it banned..for shame.....even when there where pvp events ppl did and still will still cry i don't think free pvp should b banned but more events would b nice tho event prizes will motivate our guild to lv although the few bamf pile ons Ive taken part in where fun and already good enough motivation to lv xD

[Tori845]

Well I for one like to sit around in PvP and hang out with my friends. Why? Because it's a nice quiet place, where everyone can go cuz it has no restrictions like Jot, and isn't always crowded like Essene. Sure, I get killed now and then, but that's from my own fault that I iced and fired or arrested a friend, and then they come after me yelling "I'MAH GET YOUS FOR THAT >>".
One thing I hate is when someone interupts a duel though, especially a funny one such as fist fighting.

However much I love PvP, there is one thing I hate the most. Classists. Some 96+ Priest called Angel, or someone, from BAMF decides that Apprentices equal the same squishiness as jumping onto a pile of bean bags.
I sat there in the safe zone minding my own buisness while being taunted to "Come out" and be killed by someone who either doesn't like Apprentices, was attacked by them before, or has some other reason.

Mages are not squishy just because they have the lowest DEF of everyone else. We are solid and have our dignity not to be mauled by 100+ players that we can't even ice.
I'm not saying "Ban BAMFs".
But I do believe that there should be level restrictions.

[deoxys114]

Rikan, some ppl can get that money together. I don't get allowance, and don't have a job. My dad is on the verge to cut the internet to save money. How am I to just whip up some SC then?

Second, I will admit right now, that when I finally hit Mage, I stopped lvling. After all that grinding, going out and grinding more, just bores me to death. So what do I do? I go into PvP.

I never said Ban BAMF. I would love members of BAMF to be banned, but not the whole guild. Because I know of some that aren't jerks like others.

I have one last attempt at trying to show you high lvls what we lower lvls see in PvP. How would you like it if PvP was a place where you can go, with all that room out there. Yet the second you step out of that sz, you are screwed. Utterly utterly screwed. I have died at least 10 times trying to run back to the sz, but can't get in because it is jammed pack. Get this through your minds. WE CAN NOT DEFEND OURSELVES IF WE ARE KILLED IN 2 HITS! And if you say then go lvl. What point will that be? I bet with the rate I lvl, which is forever. By the time I hit 96+ or 100+ all you high lvls will have left the game. Now THAT I am willing to place money on.

I will continue to watch this thread, but no longer post, in fear of saying something that could get my account suspended. Because every time I have made a post, I have to hold back some of the things I REALLY want to say.

[MarvHartigan]

We do it cause we can.
wooooo... I had heard these words really long ago, when bamf already existed but not even the guild system was implemented... seems that nothing have changed much...

Adios!

[saiguru]

Well I for one like to sit around in PvP and hang out with my friends. Why? Because it's a nice quiet place, where everyone can go cuz it has no restrictions like Jot, and isn't always crowded like Essene. Sure, I get killed now and then, but that's from my own fault that I iced and fired or arrested a friend, and then they come after me yelling "I'MAH GET YOUS FOR THAT >>".
One thing I hate is when someone interupts a duel though, especially a funny one such as fist fighting.

However much I love PvP, there is one thing I hate the most. Classists. Some 96+ Priest called Angel, or someone, from BAMF decides that Apprentices equal the same squishiness as jumping onto a pile of bean bags.
I sat there in the safe zone minding my own buisness while being taunted to "Come out" and be killed by someone who either doesn't like Apprentices, was attacked by them before, or has some other reason.

Mages are not squishy just because they have the lowest DEF of everyone else. We are solid and have our dignity not to be mauled by 100+ players that we can't even ice.
I'm not saying "Ban BAMFs".
But I do believe that there should be level restrictions.

BAMF had nothing to do with that, get facts straight. Angel made that game up, and if you pay attention, Foger is from that class. People in Bamf mostly wouldnt mess with him let alone anyone else.

[ggBuRNe]

However much I love PvP, there is one thing I hate the most. Classists. Some 96+ Priest called Angel, or someone, from BAMF decides that Apprentices equal the same squishiness as jumping onto a pile of bean bags.
I sat there in the safe zone minding my own buisness while being taunted to "Come out" and be killed by someone who either doesn't like Apprentices, was attacked by them before, or has some other reason.

Mages are not squishy just because they have the lowest DEF of everyone else. We are solid and have our dignity not to be mauled by 100+ players that we can't even ice.
I'm not saying "Ban BAMFs".
But I do believe that there should be level restrictions.

First off, Angel Abel is from Buraku, not BAMF.. Second, if any of the BAMF members joins the "Kill the Apprentice" event, pm me.. Third, to any Apprentice out there or Mages, if u get hit by other classes around your level or lower, fight back.. Don't just stand and take ****.. I hate to see you guys "allow" them to beat u.. Sometimes you allow them to hit u even they are lower than u..

[TRXSTA]

Rikan, some ppl can get that money together. I don't get allowance, and don't have a job. My dad is on the verge to cut the internet to save money. How am I to just whip up some SC then?
Then do it without SC. It just takes longer. And not every single post is directed at you and only you, dude... You may not be saying ban BAMF as a whole, but a lot are; maybe you can't get SC, but a lot can.

I could never put it together quite as eloquently as sai has, heh. So I guess I'll let him do the talking.

You're saying I, and others who believe that this psuedo discussion of virtual morality is a bunch of nonsense, am not making a contribution to the thread and that our vileness is rooted in ignorance of your views of what is happening in PvP. We lack empathy, we lack morals, we lack basic upstanding good citizenship and your reaction is to write off our view as we purportedly are doing to yours.

[catry]

I find it interesting that the entire reputation of BAMF was ruined by PvP. Goes to show just what it means to be in a guild...what I find interesting is the number of Guilds whose reputations have been rubbed deep in the dirt because of PvP. =P

[RikanKhaos]

you know it dont even matter. you see my point exactly the kid found 20 excuses not to grind. even without a boost book from sc he still gets exp that a lot of us dont know what it is anymore. there goes to show that all they want to do is complain like kids instead of going out there like we do and grind. as a mage(asuming lvl66+) how much exp do you get with out boost. cuz i get .40-.50 even lower per mob and not per creature with boost book. and you got this individual cuz its borin cuz i dont have the sc i dont want to grind. so because you refuse to grind and not want to go foward we aint gonna stop lvlin. man so many ppl have had it so easy in this game. try being in my shoes in your lvl. a lot of ppl can tell you that no one wanted to pt with me. i got to where i am because of me. so stop with the excuses and go grind dude cuz even without boost book the exp you make is by far better than what we get per kill.

[Brutus_]

even though some guilds may be notorious for beying KOSer , keep in mind that not all of the members of that particular guild must be KOSer ...

there is a thin line between arguing a subject , to become just plain blinded and point the finger at everyone ... KOS is a problem , its uber lame , but just because a guy is in that guild doesnt mean he does the same ...

i say this because the other day someone from my guild went a bit berserk on the arena , and then suddently i got hate messages on my box ... i was like : *** ? am i doing anything ?

bottom line , in pvp i dun give a damn about beying killed , as long im not beying harrased over n over by the same person , or rezkilled , gangbanged etc ...

win some , loose some .

also , this issue has grown so out of proportion , that i cant even poke no one anymore without getting some ... lets say , upset words ... what is this coming to i wonder ?

[Orangeman21]

I"m going to give my own personal experiance in this game with pvp. I started playing my character the second day of OB(the first day I wanted to be templar but I hated playing aco so much LOL). I didn't change to knight until after 3rd class was released(almost 6 months).

I was always getting pwned by the high levels all the time and had many of the same feelings you all are having now, but I made a resolution to keep training and get stronger. Now I"m one of the highest level warriors in-game. I don't care if I die in pvp that just means I have to get stronger.

With free pvp I go in to have fun if that means just messing with friends, killing a bunch of people, or having an epic pvp battle. If my fun gets in the way of your fun should I stop having fun? We are supposed to conform to your ideas and morals or be subject to being called ignorant? If you actually knew them and grind with them, they aren't bad people.

Sai did sum it up best.
Blueblaze is a coldblooded killer and teaches me lessons daily.

You're saying I, and others who believe that this psuedo discussion of virtual morality is a bunch of nonsense, am not making a contribution to the thread and that our vileness is rooted in ignorance of your views of what is happening in PvP. We lack empathy, we lack morals, we lack basic upstanding good citizenship and your reaction is to write off our view as we purportedly are doing to yours. Here's my veiw on your PvP "discussion"

I'm not saying "it's pvp get over it". I'm saying get over us. Some of us are nice as pie, some are pvp bullies, some dont pvp at all. All of us just wanna play game just like you do, the problem is we more visable because of our levels and everything we do held up to your light. And im speaking for myself with this part, i dont care what you expect of me cause if i feel like being nice and helping or having fun and killing in pvp, im gonna do it regardless whateever some forum stomping loud-mouths have to say about.

On nother note I think it would be nice for GMs to bring back pvp events with prizes even if it was just some pet quest stuff or Xens. Have the pvp be regulated, but leave open free pvp for when people want to pvp without having to wait for an event. Maybe also some higher level players could host pvp events such as duels and protect combatents from being interferred with by other players or have larger solstice survivor, party or guild pvp events and have small prizes for the winners.

As you can probally tell I want free pvp to stay and that blue blaze is acold blooded killer. D:

[catry]

Do you guys think it's affecting the community negatively though?

Blueberry, it's easy to say "What goes on in PvP stays in PvP" but is that really what's happening?

It's all easy to say it like it should be, that PvP is all in good fun and noone gets hurt.

The question that no one's addressing is: Is that what's really happening? Look at what's up with BAMF at the moment. Half the community wants them banned, the other half is vehemently defending them, all because of PvP. Is this kind of division really what the community needs right now?

[MrBlueberry]

Kit~
It might be hard to say "What goes in PvP, stays in PvP" but most have taken upon themselves to just that. Many of the people that have "ganged" me in PvP, have also saved my life in Turmeit, countless times (speaking to sai, teki, charon, and abel). Who cares what any one does in a Player Versus' Player situation. Pvp is what inspired me to train so hard, to get higher lvl so i couldnt be killed instantly. Of course i was mad when it happened, but i wouldnt have gotten to the lvl i am today, if it werent for the KOS'ers in Pvp. I was once told, by a lower lvl (when i was on my lvl 24 aco ) he said to me "I kill anyone that hits me" he was prolly a lvl 5x discple, now, what if every person that went into pvp, thought the same as he did? I think the way pvp is now, is fair enough.

[comp4ssion]

Blueberry, you're just airing out dirty laundry now. None of your neighbors in the Solstice community want to see it. Keep the squabbles on PMs.

[xyangster]

I went to the free PVP arena after seeing this post, and I just got close to 20 wins and losses on my archer. Having been rez killed, several times, by someone close to 30 lvls my senior, I can understand a lot of the grumblings in this thread: PVP feels really personal, unfair, needs lvl restrictions, generates drama, and so forth.

That said, taking out free PVP = removing game content, and I don't think the drama provoked by PVP so far warrants that. How could there be PVP without drama? Even back when it was just PVP events, players got upset.

The thread has also descended into guild and personal attacks, which is both useless and irrelevant. In defense of these supposed "high lvl bullies," I will say that 1) when I went into PVP on my disciple, I was left alone, and it was only when I was on a char that could legitimately fight back that I was attacked in earnest, and 2) when it was all done, it was very cordial: "Thanks for the PVP; we're going back to grind now." I have no problems whatsoever with that, even if it meant dying several times over.

A few insults were tossed around, but only by one person. And while I am absolutely against anyone (myself included, thanks ._.) being called an "inferior human" in PVP, I am also against removing it entirely because of a very minority of individuals. If you are not able to leave PVP behind when you leave the PVP arena, then perhaps you ought not go in there.

[comp4ssion]

Props to Fire for deleting his most recent post....glad you had a flash of clarity. =)

[comp4ssion]

gah, yeah props, cuz i tried to, but i dont go on forums, ever, so i dont know how to delete my post, so i edited it instead ><

To edit a post, you click on the "edit" button near the "quote", "reply", etc. buttons. :) Glad I could help.

*Edit* You can also delete a post by hitting the Edit button and deleting all the text and markup language in your post.

Returning to topic...PVP is PVP...if we can kill in a civilized fashion, we can discuss it in a civilized fashion. I implore everyone to please do so, thank you. :)

[RikanKhaos]

ok on all serious note this is gettin way out of hand. pvp is ment to have fun whether you loose or win. i went once in my scout and 2 seconds latter i have a pair of neos on top me on a kos. sadly they both lost. anyways i must applaud what mr.blueberry said because i think thats what made me hit the maps so hard as well. it was because of pvp and i wanted to go in there and i had my mind set on fixing the bad blood between this person and i. but for him being 20lvls above me and having so many wantin to kill me i had to avoid pvp(and fire you know we both talked about it in your house). since pvp aint being moderated by any gms there is only one rule in it sad to say. the rule is kill or be killed. i became a bamf member for many reasons and i have 0 regrets. you want to judge a book by its cover like always and dont see what bamf is outside of pvp. againt the finger can be pointed directly or indirectly. now to close the case there are only 2 types of individuals. #1) do as you do and just mope, whine, complain, kick and cry that you are gettin pwned in the pvp room. #2) or you can do as i have get out in those maps and train as hard as you can and come back another day when you are ready to face your enemies. again you can call me as you like cuz ive heard it all in this game and ive done it all. i have been like a celebrity in this game...hated, loved, admired. come up with with a word and ive heard it. i am where i am because of me because of my own desires. i never once in my life complained about pvp even as a noob with pvp events. only thing i help fight are in the ridiculous prices ppl set on items. so seriously stop point in fingers(directly or indirectly) and hit those maps make some progress show that you can and retaliate when the time comes and you are able too. so please lets stop the bickering its going to get no one no where. show your true potential. because i made it mostly alone so i can testify that it can be done.

[Hilux]

These pvp discussions are always interesting.. I have but a few things to say.

- What satisfaction is gained by killing someone who has no chance to defend themselves? I personally don’t know.

- PvP battle and bad blood make the game more interesting. Lets be honest, there is no great evil out there, a little infamy makes things more fun.

- Not that I don’t feel sorry for people being picked on, but for those of you who make the statement “it’s a quiet place to hang out with my friends” I think you really need to reconsider the logic of that statement. Would you go into the middle of Loren and hang out there expecting to not be bothered? Even if you’re not the direct target of an attack, you may inadvertently be hit

- Removing any game content would be a HUGE mistake for Solstice as it is lacking in content already

- I do think there could be a duel room where only players registered with an npc could enter an instance pvp room so noone will interfere.

- The highest amount of complaints about pvp seem to be coming from well established players with a wide network of friends. Why don’t you get together and fight back against your “oppressors” instead of making posts that go nowhere? Nothing personal against BAMF (I greatly look forward to our duel ^^) but if you all have such a problem with them why not gather all your friends and fight back? Have you ever even tried? You would not believe how hard it was to rally a few players to give some resistance in one of the last wipes, we didn’t win, but it was fun to try.

- Why do people care so much about losing in pvp? You go out and risk your lives for poor exp on maps that will actually take something from you if you lose, yet you are so reluctant to fight in a place that will cost you nothing.

- One final thing is a question of why are you being targeted? I have gone in pvp on alts where people do not know me and therefore would not get “immunity” or any such thing, and have not been attacked. I was even in during a wipe, I poked at a few high lvl players and I was not eradicated.

I think bottom line is this. If you want to go to pvp, be prepared to fight, and if you get picked on fight back. Don’t be abusive, and just have fun. If pvp is not fun for you, don’t go. Hang out in Candyvault or some other quiet place, personally I think some people go into pvp asking for a fight; not all, but some.

[dylanangel]

- Why do people care so much about losing in pvp? You go out and risk your lives for poor exp on maps that will actually take something from you if you lose, yet you are so reluctant to fight in a place that will cost you nothing.

Wow enough said! This alone would have gotten a +rep from me :)

[tower714]

If you don't like paying the 800 kron fee to go, simply don't go. And Healers have no obligation to heal you either, just as you don't like to spend 800 kron to enter the arena, healers shouldn't have to spend the cost of an insignia to revive. PvP isn't a neccesity, you can choose to go or not go, if you don't like the system for what it is, then choose against going.

does the cost of insignia really matter that much? i agree that there's no obligation to heal / revive, but because insignia's cost a few krons? gimme a break.

[tower714]

As for lvl 40s picking on lvl 20s, anyone can actually stop them. There isn't anyone above the lvl 90s killing lvl 20s. We can't stop that.

And did you not see my post about whining? We can whine all we want. No rule against it. And if you say then there is no rule against killing low lvls, I agree. But it is common courtesy. Just as not whining is common courtesy. But hey, guess what? Want us to shut up? Then stop killing us for just the reason "It's PvP."

Back to topic plz.
i don't understand why you think you have the "right" or "obligation" to stop some lvl 40 from killing a 20. you aren't the pvp police, they don't exist. if you don't like pvp, please don't go to it and you won't be affected. plain and simple. whining to some high lvl who just owned you is not showing everyone around you common courtesy. one last thing, if you're so tired of getting owned, start grinding so you can actually own some people.

[TheDarkSenshi]

*Hugz everyone in this thread* >.>'

[deoxys114]

Ok I am breaking my promise about not posting. There is too much that I want to say.

First. The whole thing about risking the loss of exp, but are too afraid to lose nothing. I hate to die in there because then I can not move. I am talking to someone just for a few seconds, or I am watching a duel. Then I am killed. I can't move around to see what is happening. I restart, head back in, and get killed again. I am res killed. THAT is why I hate to die. I don't hate to die because it shows I am weaker, but because I can't do anything afterwards.

For fighting back. What good is it if a Sin comes up, hits you with breeze dagger, have 54 HP left, and hit them with Magic Fire? First you are dead in the next hit. Second they can blindside you. Third, you can't stun them. Fourth, they can run faster than you. I see no reason to even try to fight back.

For the lvl 40s killing lvl 20s. That was me explaining what someone else said. I in no way said we should stop them, I am just saying we can. But we can't stop lvl 90s.

I have banded together with many ppl to stop the higher lvls. I remember getting into a party of 4 2nd tier lvls and taking down a Sin and his Warrior. But that was because there was two. If you try to kill someone that is in a guild. The other guild members will attack. I was trying to help ppl kill a Sin, then an Archer and a warrior jumps on us. Yeah, what we do now?

[saiguru]

look at this way, to be on topic and off the whining: Right now all of the complaining is focused on being bullied in pvp.

Say they close it down to make rules. Then the complaining will refocus on mean high-levels doing aoe runs without shouting when killing and disrupting people powerleveling thier neos. It will refocus on mean highlevels aoeing in a map stealing all the monsters. It will refocus on mean high levels accidentally outrunning a small mob and dropping a monster or two on a low level that cant survive or shouldn't try to in the first place. Lets leave alone the question: what is a level 60,70 or 80 anything doing complaining about us doing our things on maps intended for 110+.

Ill make a proposition: We will stop killing low levels in PvP when low levels get off maps with 100+ level monsters and discontinue attempts to be powerlevelled and the constant complaining when they die from being hit by monsters in 1 or 2 hits supposedly because of our actions resultant from run-of-the-mill grinding.

I cant grind how like in Emp, Aser, cret, or turmeit because it bothers lower levels, i cant play PvP how i like because it bothers lower levels. when everything a higher level does basically bothers a lower level player, what are we to do?

What we have here is a community of low levels demanding that anyone who has played longer and harder walk on egg-shells whatever they are doing. Demanding that GM's rewrite rules according to every small complaint they harbor to make the game easier for them. I remember when there was a time when you played a game that was difficult or contained difficulies you either wussed out and quit, or you worked at the game to get around those difficulties. Now we demand the makers of the game to chop these things down for us and demand rules to erase them.

To actually answer the question, no we shouldnt shut down pvp to make rules, because all of those problems will transfer to somewhere else, to places they were before free arena opened.

[MetallicaX]

Here's a post from both views:

I don't KoS, I don't kill random people, and I don't get attacked too often from people. And the people who end up killing me, usually they get me a revive. However. This is only on my knight.
On my scout and app, I get killed almost instantaneously, 99% of the time from it being from someone 20+ levels higher than me. This tells me that either 1. High levels like to kill lower levels to view their reactions as entertainment, or 2. Said High levels specifically target lower levels, for god-knows-what reason. It could be because they're too scared to attack someone decent level in fear this person has "friends." Who knows?
A lot of people who are lower-level often go to Free PvP for the sole reason of seeing the higher levels beat the living crap out of each other. The Stands are no fun; You can't seen but 50% of the arena, IF that, and how many duels stay in one spot?

However, the opposite view. I can see how higher levels go on a rampage, because it's fun. Killing lower levels, just to see how many hits they can survive, etc. I don't do it myself. Personally, I don't want to agree with the people in the thread, but I do have to say it IS pvp, and that there's gonna be people who KoS, no matter how much you moan and groan in and outside the arena. Nothing that most of us can do will change this, the only people who can are these KoS'ers themselves and the GM's. And the GM's have proven already that they're not going to bother.
This matter has been brought up time and time again, and all i've seen is people quit, from both sides. People who quit because PvP is corrupt. And people quit because they have fun KoSing in PvP, yet they get spam/flames for something that doesn't really matter.
I am not defending either side, in fact I am looking at this from a logical point of view.
Basically, PvP will probably stay this way, and there's nothing we can do about it, the most complaining in the forums will do is make matters worse, and end a lot of friendships. All I have to say is suck it up, go to a different arena, and have fun if you can.

EDIT: Added something to first view.

[MetallicaX]

look at this way, to be on topic and off the whining: Right now all of the complaining is focused on being bullied in pvp.

Say they close it down to make rules. Then the complaining will refocus on mean high-levels doing aoe runs without shouting when killing and disrupting people powerleveling thier neos. It will refocus on mean highlevels aoeing in a map stealing all the monsters. It will refocus on mean high levels accidentally outrunning a small mob and dropping a monster or two on a low level that cant survive or shouldn't try to in the first place. Lets leave alone the question: what is a level 60,70 or 80 anything doing complaining about us doing our things on maps intended for 110+.

Ill make a proposition: We will stop killing low levels in PvP when low levels get off maps with 100+ level monsters and discontinue attempts to be powerlevelled and the constant complaining when they die from being hit by monsters in 1 or 2 hits supposedly because of our actions resultant from run-of-the-mill grinding.

I cant grind how like in Emp, Aser, cret, or turmeit because it bothers lower levels, i cant play PvP how i like because it bothers lower levels. when everything a higher level does basically bothers a lower level player, what are we to do?

What we have here is a community of low levels demanding that anyone who has played longer and harder walk on egg-shells whatever they are doing. Demanding that GM's rewrite rules according to every small complaint they harbor to make the game easier for them. I remember when there was a time when you played a game that was difficult or contained difficulies you either wussed out and quit, or you worked at the game to get around those difficulties. Now we demand the makers of the game to chop these things down for us and demand rules to erase them.

To actually answer the question, no we shouldnt shut down pvp to make rules, because all of those problems will transfer to somewhere else, to places they were before free arena opened.

I agree with this post, btw

[Dragonkillerz5]

Umm no. This is what they should do.

They have certain rooms

Suppose im lvl 25, i would enter the NOVICE arena.
If i was like lvl 112 I would enter the elite arena
They would add rooms for a certain radius of levels
And then there is a free arena, which is for all levels.

It probably would not entirely cure the plague of whining, but it will help a lot; and it would be very bad if people were complaining in the free arena >.>

[raemrazr]

does the cost of insignia really matter that much? i agree that there's no obligation to heal / revive, but because insignia's cost a few krons? gimme a break.

The point of my post was to point out that if one is too cheap to pay the 800 kron fee to rewarp into the arena, they shouldn't expect healers to pay out of their pocket, albeit a small amount, to revive them. Healers are by no means obligated to revive you, they can choose to do it or not. If people come in and get killed and don't want to pay the fee again, and you don't get a revive, just don't come again.

[Hilux]

I think one reason people might be reacting so strongly to this is that they may feel cheated by people the thought they once knew, feeling PvP has brought out the “worst” in them. If a friend of yours is like this and you dislike it, its best to find out sooner than later. But bear this in mind…

When out in the real maps, where killing and being killed actually mean something, were these players actively trying to harm you? Purposely dropping mobs on you? Not healing or reviving out of spite? I highly doubt it.

As Deoxys144 pointed out, it can be difficult to face off against someone who is significantly higher than yourself, but remember this – its not only lvl that makes the players strong, its teamwork. High lvls are having fun taking low lvls out, so why don’t the low lvls have fun trying to fight back? In the Awakening attacks, I have seen players way too low fighting lizard griffins and other impossible monsters, and getting essentially res-killed in the process. I see very few of them leave. Instead they get in a group of 10 or 100 or however many it takes to bring the beast down. Why is pvp any different? If you want to take back free pvp, do it yourselves!!

This is a game, and to be honest PvP serves no purpose to the playing of said game, its only a fun addition to the game. As always, try to show respect to other players and consider their feelings, but at the same time remember there are other pvp rooms and getting mad cussing another player out is not likely going to solve any problem.

[poochyenarulez]

am i the only one that thinks pvp should stay the same? at pvp the point is to kill other people or get killed by other people, so stop complaining if u die even if it was by a higher level, and if u don't like it DON'T GO! no one makes u go to pvp...

[deoxys114]

Ill make a proposition: We will stop killing low levels in PvP when low levels get off maps with 100+ level monsters and discontinue attempts to be powerlevelled and the constant complaining when they die from being hit by monsters in 1 or 2 hits supposedly because of our actions resultant from run-of-the-mill grinding.

Deal. The highest map I have trained at is Tanline. And that was with a party. The highest map I have trained solo at is Chant. Those aren't 100+ monsters. How the low lvls get to Turmeit or Sherwood or something, I will never know. Someone walks them there? For Powerlvling, I find it just as annoying as a lvl 100+ does. What fun is it if you don't earn your lvls?

I noticed that I have not said if I want PvP closed or not. I say it should not be closed. I only think it should be improved.

Until such time comes, I will continue to go to PvP. Continue to get annoyed by KoSers. Continue to whine. Continue to come back. Continue to annoy the crap out of them with my Amped Arrest. Continue to talk back. Continue to fight back, not actually fighting, but what we are doing right now, talking. I will continue all these until at least something can be improved in PvP.

It has been 10 pages now. For those that have said it should stay the same, I don't think anything will change your mind if it hasn't yet. For those that say fixes to be done, we aren't going to change our mind. But I believe even if 20 ppl read this post right now, and agree with it, there will still be someone to post after this to bring back the argument. I now officially declare that I shall no longer post in this thread. Good day.

[tower714]

look at this way, to be on topic and off the whining: Right now all of the complaining is focused on being bullied in pvp.

Say they close it down to make rules. Then the complaining will refocus on mean high-levels doing aoe runs without shouting when killing and disrupting people powerleveling thier neos. It will refocus on mean highlevels aoeing in a map stealing all the monsters. It will refocus on mean high levels accidentally outrunning a small mob and dropping a monster or two on a low level that cant survive or shouldn't try to in the first place. Lets leave alone the question: what is a level 60,70 or 80 anything doing complaining about us doing our things on maps intended for 110+.

Ill make a proposition: We will stop killing low levels in PvP when low levels get off maps with 100+ level monsters and discontinue attempts to be powerlevelled and the constant complaining when they die from being hit by monsters in 1 or 2 hits supposedly because of our actions resultant from run-of-the-mill grinding.

I cant grind how like in Emp, Aser, cret, or turmeit because it bothers lower levels, i cant play PvP how i like because it bothers lower levels. when everything a higher level does basically bothers a lower level player, what are we to do?

What we have here is a community of low levels demanding that anyone who has played longer and harder walk on egg-shells whatever they are doing. Demanding that GM's rewrite rules according to every small complaint they harbor to make the game easier for them. I remember when there was a time when you played a game that was difficult or contained difficulies you either wussed out and quit, or you worked at the game to get around those difficulties. Now we demand the makers of the game to chop these things down for us and demand rules to erase them.

To actually answer the question, no we shouldnt shut down pvp to make rules, because all of those problems will transfer to somewhere else, to places they were before free arena opened.

i totally agree with you sai. one thing we can do is start getting strict at the high level training grounds. simple refuse to party them and they will stop going there. but - there's always some nice fella who will let an uncapable player into the party. i think if we take some action, things will change. i urge you to not worry about the noobs in turn and grind to you hearts content.

[HeartlessKairi]

Wow alot of replies o_0.
I agree with Kit but then again...

More and more, the community IS falling apart due to PvP.
More overall, when it comes to PvP, people forgot their friendships with one another and betrayed/stab them behind their back.
[been through this alot.]

PvP is seriously not fun anymore with all these KoSing..
I know it's PvP and I shouldn't be complaining but it should be fair to all players.
Winning, Losing, blah blah blah.
They're just points but don't stab people behind their backs please.
ESPECIALLY when they are your friends.

I don't believe we should close down PvP but lessen the drama and violence please.
I don't go to PvP anymore because of those issues. Have fun in PvP everyone! ^^

This has been bothering me for a couple of weeks x_x;;; So I had to let it out >>; Sorry if it sounds like I'm whining. I'm not. Thank you ^^

[AnimePimp66]

how great is our community anyway if it falls apart cause of an awesome update that lets us do something other than grind ._.

[Hilux]

Continue to annoy the crap out of them with my Amped Arrest. Continue to talk back.
And you wonder why people are bothering you?

But seriously, I just had the most fun time in pvp (in Solstice period) that I have in a long time. Guess what it was doing? Fighting BAMF in pvp. We set up a fight with rules and had a blast! We didn't win but so what? We did some damage and had some dealt. Even better was after when we combined and split the teams to make things more even, I will never forget Strider and Omzig's final battle xDDDD

[deedee479]

not pvp it's self some ppl (person) that starts prob and makes it unfun for others to pvp by mocking an making fun of them

[catry]

how great is our community anyway if it falls apart cause of an awesome update that lets us do something other than grind ._.

I found out today the old community is dead for good. The new one doesn't work out for me at all.

[casper42o]

I vote no,

why?

Well I am a newb here on this game and yes so far its pretty good for a "free-b" so to speak. However even though I am a newb I am a pretty skilled player from Diablo 2 which I no longer have so here I am.

Anyway the reason I said no right?...

well, on diablo 2 we didnt realy have the choice to pvp, sometimes while in the middle of questing or just leveling up, a dumby would randomly come in and attempt to ruin our fun. However unlike diablo 2, here you have a choice in servers as to if you are looking to pvp or not. And in this sense of choice it also means if you dont want it to bother you,.. well then it wont. Just dont go to the pvp server.

Of course people are going to talk smack as to who might be better.. its a video game. And like in any online multiplayer video game its competitive. Like Halo 3, rise ranks to show how good you are and beat players on the 360, on diablo 2 rise in levels kill others to prove your better.. almost in any video game you want to be better then someone. I guess its all about the satisfaction of having 1 up on someone.

Getting rid of this server in which you can PVP in I believe would be a big mistake. If that did happen and we couldnt PVP, there would be more arguments about whos better, and the worst part is.. it cant be solved besides showing of items.. which if you could imagine it.. it would be pretty boring. And all you get in the end is a long list of arguments that just keep going back and forth. Plus if we got rid of pvp.. I believe it would ruin some of the fun for others.

Anyway this is my first post on the forums sense starting the game today and im already a level 18 :D i look forward to seeing how good this game truly gets as I rise in levels. See you guys on the battle field!

[D-Styles]

I vote no,

why?

Well I am a newb here on this game and yes so far its pretty good for a "free-b" so to speak. However even though I am a newb I am a pretty skilled player from Diablo 2 which I no longer have so here I am.

Anyway the reason I said no right?...

well, on diablo 2 we didnt realy have the choice to pvp, sometimes while in the middle of questing or just leveling up, a dumby would randomly come in and attempt to ruin our fun. However unlike diablo 2, here you have a choice in servers as to if you are looking to pvp or not. And in this sense of choice it also means if you dont want it to bother you,.. well then it wont. Just dont go to the pvp server.

Of course people are going to talk smack as to who might be better.. its a video game. And like in any online multiplayer video game its competitive. Like Halo 3, rise ranks to show how good you are and beat players on the 360, on diablo 2 rise in levels kill others to prove your better.. almost in any video game you want to be better then someone. I guess its all about the satisfaction of having 1 up on someone.

Getting rid of this server in which you can PVP in I believe would be a big mistake. If that did happen and we couldnt PVP, there would be more arguments about whos better, and the worst part is.. it cant be solved besides showing of items.. which if you could imagine it.. it would be pretty boring. And all you get in the end is a long list of arguments that just keep going back and forth. Plus if we got rid of pvp.. I believe it would ruin some of the fun for others.

Anyway this is my first post on the forums sense starting the game today and im already a level 18 :D i look forward to seeing how good this game truly gets as I rise in levels. See you guys on the battle field!

welcome to the game and forums man.

And I too have played Diablo 2 and agree. This game's pvp system is probably one of the most lenient and flexible i have seen yet. Because in a game like Diablo 2, all someone had to do was declare you as an enemy (which only took a few clicks in a menu to do), and kill you REGARDLESS of what you're doing as long as your outside a safezone. So please guys.. You can always have it worse..

[AnimePimp66]

i havent played that game in like....6 years so i dunno how it turned out but i thought u could make yer own game room and make a password for it there if u wanted to =0 (although that game cant b compared to here so many including me had hax) there were ppl with hax and legit targets pretty much xD

[Hilux]

I found out today the old community is dead for good. The new one doesn't work out for me at all.

You do realize you're condemming an entire population based only on the tiny little pvp arena?

[ZAPDOS21]

Does killing in pvp is a crime? i voted NO, well before the pvp got open i was killed by high lvls before so THE SOLUTION? go GRIND n LVL if now ur a low lvl and get killed offten by higer ones... GO TRAIN,
any whay high lvl people isnt killing ALL time low lvls or bothering that much, beside is just a place were u kill. WHY ppl get so mad? u die = no exp loose, you can come back ALL the times you want so were is the problem?

[Nanoko]

I vote no for getting rid of pvp. Even though I was killed in there for 60s times... (gosh Deoxy I was trying to make a record of most deaths and you ruined it lol), I hold no grudge. Pvp was demanded a lot before by many people and now some want to get rid of it.

It is really annoying and disrespectful for Outspark. They did what you wanted and now you get bored of it and want a change (which is back to the beginning).

You are weak, you get killed. That is game and life pals. If people like to hang out somewhere quiet I suggest Eir Thief Guild or some places in big cites.

Also, if you like to duo, try party pvp. It is better than the free one that is spawned with high lv now.

OR if you know any high lv friends, ask them to come and protect you while duo...

Just my suggestion dont hate me D:

[heavenzcloud]

And you wonder why people are bothering you?

But seriously, I just had the most fun time in pvp (in Solstice period) that I have in a long time. Guess what it was doing? Fighting BAMF in pvp. We set up a fight with rules and had a blast! We didn't win but so what? We did some damage and had some dealt. Even better was after when we combined and split the teams to make things more even, I will never forget Strider and Omzig's final battle xDDDD

going to PvP makes me want to grind as well, Not because I am tired of dying and need a higher level to pwn, haha. But because of the skills that you can get at a higher level. I go in to pvp for 2 reasons, 1 to poke a high level guild member and laugh when I hit 1 with an amped slash. or 2 to watch high levels use their sweet skills. This pushes me to get out and kill as many monsters as I can to also have sweet skills.

This is something I wish I could've seen. I would have loved to see all the skills and watch Strider and Omzig's battle. I think the solution lies in the community. Have players like Strider (saw the shouts about putting a 8 on 8 team for pvp) and many others setup battles like this. Be as equally matched as you can, and band together as a team toward a common goal. That, I think would help the community. As long as we are able to keep it good natured after the battle. I do like that the rules were put in place by those involved. no need to be regulated by GMs or remove PvP but taking care of ourselves.

Show us Newbs why when we get discouraged about leveling what awaits us if we do to push forward and all the sweet skills that we can have. I see both sides, so I will refrain from taking sides. I don't know if Strider or Omzig has posted on the thread, but I would be very interested to hear their thoughts on the subject.

[Hilux]

This is something I wish I could've seen. I would have loved to see all the skills and watch Strider and Omzig's battle. I think the solution lies in the community. Have players like Strider (saw the shouts about putting a 8 on 8 team for pvp) and many others setup battles like this. Be as equally matched as you can, and band together as a team toward a common goal. That, I think would help the community. As long as we are able to keep it good natured after the battle. I do like that the rules were put in place by those involved. no need to be regulated by GMs or remove PvP but taking care of ourselves.


That was beautifully said, and I really hope it could come true (that battle was an awsome display of skill and tactic btw), but do you have any idea how hard it was for me to come up with the combantants to battle Strider? Even after 30m-1h we were still 1 short of 8, and the majority of fighters came from my own guild. It seems people are scared to lose, scared to try or think they can't help. I urge you all give it a shot!!! You have NOTHING to lose but 800 kron enterance fee and maybe 1 more loss (or win) on your record.

If anyone wants to challenge me to a duel, a party fight or a guild war please give me a shout, I'll try to get everyone I can involved!

[catry]

You do realize you're condemming an entire population based only on the tiny little pvp arena?

No, I'm condemning it based on a lot more. Get your facts straight before you accuse me.

But then again, seeing as that's what everyone does nowadays I guess it's alright for you to just jump on the bandwagon.

[heavenzcloud]

haha, the off-topic side: make me jealous about missing it!, and let me get to knight then I am so up for helpin even if it is just as a distraction/punching bag for strider haha, while the rest of the party puts up a good fight ^.^

The-on topic side. I hope it comes true as well. With all the classes and skills there are so many different ways and tatics to fight as a party. I think that player hosted events like this would be a great testin area for some of the tatics that I have thought of, but dont want to be responsible for my parties death and loss of EXP facing real mobs if they fail. PvP is what it is, but if we use common courtsy and common sense we can regulate ourselves as a community, and band together for a positve experience for everyone in PvP. The best friends that I have made in the game came because we partied together to rid the land of Xen of its monsters. I think the same type of bond could be formed through PvP as well. With rules set before hand seems to be the big thing. (Not rich enough to get sc pots for pvp ,so no sc pots, you get a rez but you are out of the battle ao you can watch, etc...) Its fun in pvp because we are facing real, thinking, people. with dynamically changing tactics causing us to be on our toes. Not just shield crash, slash, slash slash, till the monster dies haha.

Are we forgetting that the bad guy is Alastor? ^^

[Hilux]

No, I'm condemning it based on a lot more. Get your facts straight before you accuse me.

But then again, seeing as that's what everyone does nowadays I guess it's alright for you to just jump on the bandwagon.

Oh no, please clarify if I am in error. But according to your post this seems to be the case.

That wasn't meant to be sarcastic, kinda looks that way.

And Heavenzcloud, I hope to see you around more often, you've got a good attitude about this it seems.

[heavenzcloud]

Thanks Hilux! I hope to see you around as well. And Kit thanks as always for this great poll. This is something that needed to be discussed in depth not at less than 80 characters per message like in game. I hope that a solution is found for both sides of the poll. I dont want to lose PvP, but I dont want to be someones punching bag if I havent agreed to it.

[Omzig]

okay so i'm too lazy to read eeeveryone's post. therefore i'll probably end up saying things that have already been said but oh well. i say pvp shouldn't be closed. why? because why should it be closed.
if you're gonna saaay
"because the higher levels kill me and i don't even stand a chance"
not all high levels kill people with lower levels. just time when you go. if you get it right you won't have to worry about those people. although if you want it closed why go at all?
"because people gang and it's unfair"
people usually don't gang without reason. otherwise they're just bored or something. and again.. if you want it closed why go at all?
"because pvp is stupid and i hate it"
if you hate it ignore it. simple as that. no one says you have to go. no one is threatening you saying they'll pk you or something like that and if they did you should probably go report it >>
blahblahblah pvp is pvp. i'm sure you get what i'm saying by now.. but
i usually go to pvp to just take a break from leveling and to act stupid cause that's me >> but i honestly don't care about dieing anymore i find it somewhat funny and sometimes put up a fight cause why die without trying?
just leave pvp be. it is how it is. putting a level ranged one or however you say it would suck. i have friends who are like 30 levels lower then me and i like to poke them. that would suck if i wouldn't be able to do that anymore :\ but if you guys mean adding it to what there already is then sure why not. it would be fair.
as for rules. i just don't know how to reply to that.. most people who pvp go to free pvp. free. rules would just kill it. people should just learn to have some respect. but i know that that just won't happen. so don't give me some smart.. reply >>
now what you guys should try is trying an organized pvp. what i mean is someting like 8v8 or 3v3 or gvg. lay out some rules and then go at it. now i'm not saying you should try it in free pvp cause that's just.... people would interfere (i know i spelled that wrong..) i thnk hilux already said this but oh well. and as he said in one of his post me and him and other people (too lazy too list xD) went against some people from bamf. now this was for fun. and it was fun. a lot of fun. i would love to do it again. with anyone actually. and also as hilux said we mixed it up after. and almost everyone died except me and strider... and that was FUN. funfunfunfunfunfunfun lol i'm sure you get my point now.. i hope.. i wasn't saying too much, was i? gah this is a long post.. i don't think i've ever posted something this long..... >>;; and i said some things that didn't come out right but hopefully you understand. now i'll shut like i usually try to. byeee D:

[heavenzcloud]

Thanks for the thoughts Omzig, Hope to be apart of one of these organized pvps one day ^^

[bravo101company]

ba it doesnt say anything about u haveing to go into ppv so get over that already and whats with the no cs stuff going on with this game....not my fault that i can get cs and u cant well actually seeing though this game is made for what age 13+ which i see its been around go get a job yes at 13 u can get one rake leaves cut grass whatever it may b either that or just get over it rofl dont make us all suffer just bc u dont want to use cs not our problem nor fiesta just get over it and drop it already

[heavenzcloud]

haha, no one is sayin you cant use sc stuff in pvp. It was just a suggestion as a rule for these organized pvp events. I use sc, but I only use my pots for exp not pvp.

[Tori845]

I agree that you don't have to go to PvP. And I don't think it should be taken away either. I remember the patient waits we did just to get INTO PvP. Not many people cared about dying within the first 10 minutes because of the GMs would go around and revive people, no one was targetted.

I must say, I go into PvP BECAUSE of the risk. I like dueling with my friends, or just sitting down and talking. I like doing things like this, and arresting or icing the odd scout who thinks it's fun to bind people and have races with them.
But really, I sit in PvP because it gives me a break from grinding. Sure, sitting in a city is fun, but it's so hard to move about in Essene with the crowds of people, Bryn is too boring and everything's too far away, Eir is too weird, and Jot is too empty.

I do also agree on not adding rules. The simple rule of "Kill or be killed" is enough of motivation for me.
However different arenas for different levels would be greatly suited this game.
I love the idea of an NPC where you can register with a friend for uninterupted duos, like the event ones rider held, where Fire's scout pwn'd me xDD
Looking onto the higher levels perspective~ The reason I love PvP is cuz it's not grinding. I'd love more features out of the story line of 'Grind, grind, grind and grind some more to get to second class. Grind to get to third, and when fourth comes out, grind even harder for that. The end.' What do you do after you grind? Sit around in Essene for people to buy your gears to earn money to make pots to grind. It's a never-ending circle, and I know how easily it can be grinding, so I do indeed respect higher level's boredom.
I just wish this community wouldn't be so sepparated by High levels and low levels. I swear it's like status in this game.
This game. It needs a hug >.>"

[catry]

ba it doesnt say anything about u haveing to go into ppv so get over that already and whats with the no cs stuff going on with this game....not my fault that i can get cs and u cant well actually seeing though this game is made for what age 13+ which i see its been around go get a job yes at 13 u can get one rake leaves cut grass whatever it may b either that or just get over it rofl dont make us all suffer just bc u dont want to use cs not our problem nor fiesta just get over it and drop it already

This isn't the Fiesta forums. Congrats on making yourself look completely ignorant.

[Omzig]

alright so i decided to skim through everyone's post. i feel my post is going to get misunderstood and i'm not going to edit cause i don't feel like it. but some people have good points. anyhow before i forget to say this i'm gonna say it now. YOU GUYS NEED TO STOP SAYING BAMF SHOULD GET BANNED OR BAMF SUCKS OR WHATEVER. NOT ALL BAMF members go on those wipes that get you killed or **** you off or whatever. some bamf members don't even show up in pvp as stated before. not all bamf members are the people you feel the need to cuss at because they killed you. you know what i mean.. i hope >< you can't just say bamf should get banned or that rogue whos ign starts with h (i'm guessing hugu..). as people have said before, fight back. find some people and fight back. not only that. i've seen other people not in bamf go on little "wipes". and yeah i'm starting to see 4x (or whatever) people kill people they see lower then them. probably because they've been influenced or they feel the need to after having a similar thing happen to them.. okay now to what i really wanted to say...
it's not pvp that's messing with the community. it's respect (that sounds a little er well you know and i think i know what kinda reply i'm gonna get but whatever say it). closing pvp down won't help anything.. well not really. i remember a looot of people asking for pvp to be uh what's the word? insomething. but yeah people wanted to be able to go to pvp whenever they want. well look now we have it. but now some people want it closed? because it's soo unfair, because it has no rules and needs to become more organized. okay so you guys are telling me that we need outspark or the gms or whoever to give us rules? if you want rules so bad try to get people to listen to you. now i'm not saying boss them around or act like you're all high and mighty >>
now i feel the need to say this. DO NOT i repeat DO NOT be one of those people who try to justify ganging or whatever to people who are not higher then you but when people from bamf come and gang you do nothing but suck up. pathetic. but then again if you wana get laughed at then go ahead.
as for the sparkcash pots being used in pvp well that's kinda lame if you ask me. don't say i'm being a hypocrite if you've seen me using them. i only use them when someone else does when fighting against me. i've gone through so many lucky balls. i have enough pots to waste. but then again i guess those people might have to so i think i'll shut up about that.
pvp is for fun. should stay that way. no one should take it personal unless you get rezkilled repeatedly or somethng like that. ganging and killing people levels lower then you is kinda lame too. now if you wanna call me a hypocrite for that well idk. i never kill without reason. i never gang without reason. i did one day. ONE DAY. it was a spur of the moment kinda thing so shush. if you think i'm whining like a little kid or whatever then boohoo to you. i am a kid and i'll whine all i want D<
once again another long post.. i have so much more i could and want to say but i feel like i'm saying too much like i usually do so i'll end it here..
also i know i've repeated some things other people have said but i agree and hey why not repeat maybe it'll get across people better. also i hope you don't think that i'm saying: it's pvp, don't wanna die don't go. i'm not saying that at all. but i am suggesting that if you can't handle it and it gets you too frusturated or whatever then maybe you shouldn't go. also when going to pvp do not expect to be left alone. people like me just might go and poke you and i mean poke not kill D: and there may be people who will kill. there i go again. okay i'm done... for now x.x

[Trashknight]

Even when they are going to improve pvp I see no reason in closing down the pvp-arena based on I haven't heard any fatal bugs or flaws (Beyond level-trouncing)are presented for the time being.

[Hilux]

I’m not trying to badmouth the idea of lvl divided pvp, but I honestly think no one would use it. No one uses the party/guild pvps anyways. Why is this? Cause no one else is there! A duel room, yeah that’s a good idea, but its not entirely necessary. I think some people go into free pvp just to see how long they can last knowing full well they won’t last long. I’ve done it, the thing is I never get mad when I lose.

My stand on sparkcash (specifically pots) is that it takes away any challenge there may have previously been. SC pots mean that anyone can face off against someone else and theoretically never lose – its only a fight of how many pots did you buy, and considering they are weightless you could be holding thousands – as long as someone doesn’t hit above your max hp, you will stay alive indefinately… But at any rate, if you set up a fight make your own rules and have fun with it! SC pots have a great place for use, on the real maps where death means something, and depending on your lvl it could mean quite a lot. SC gear I don’t really have anything against, I prefer to fight without them but its not necessary.

I think people need to stop thinking about pvp as a “killing” zone. Pvp is a sport, that’s all it is! When a sports team loses do they die? Can they never come back? And again, these friends who have “stabbed someone in the back” honestly what have they really done? Please keep in mind its not like they are taking your exp, your items or anything else of value. And again have these people actively tried to HARM you outside of pvp? Have they hunted you down and mobbed you on purpose? Refused to trade with you? If they have then ok, we have an entirely different situation – but my bet is they have not….
Please keep this in mind:

You are not dying

You are not losing anything

No one made you go

HAVE FUN!

And above all, try to respect others – if you smacktalk, harass, or annoy you are likely getting what you deserve regardless of lvl, guild or class.

[ggBuRNe]

I’ve done it, the thing is I never get mad when I lose.

Some people do care about losses.. I do care about it.. I take lose in a good fight.. All my losses are either from GMs or good fight.. That's why I do not allow a low level players to poke me nor high level players to hit me.. I will beat them out because I hate losses.. It's my personal record and I intend to keep it.. Some players are like me, they like to have good PvP record..

My stand on sparkcash (specifically pots) is that it takes away any challenge there may have previously been. SC pots mean that anyone can face off against someone else and theoretically never lose – its only a fight of how many pots did you buy, and considering they are weightless you could be holding thousands – as long as someone doesn’t hit above your max hp, you will stay alive indefinately… But at any rate, if you set up a fight make your own rules and have fun with it! SC pots have a great place for use, on the real maps where death means something, and depending on your lvl it could mean quite a lot. SC gear I don’t really have anything against, I prefer to fight without them but its not necessary.



Do you know why they (the GMs) allow SC pots in PvP?? Apart from business and marketing reasons, as level gets higher, damage is getting greater and the mp usage per skill is greater especially mage class.. Regular pots are not enough to compensate the damage on oneself and the mp usage.. Before sc was introduced, everybody was low level and we all fought with regular potions, herbs and fruits because we dealt like less than 60 damage.. I doubt that you were there because it was before mid of january..

I do agree with setting up rules.. I suggest for everyone, if you dueling with Sc pots, put a time limit.. Probably 15 - 20 mins, then stop fighting.. You don't want to waste you expensive potions in PvP alone.. PvP is not just about killing your opponent, it's about having a good fight and testing your skill to the fullest..

[TRXSTA]

Some people do care about losses.. I do care about it.. I take lose in a good fight.. All my losses are either from GMs or good fight.. That's why I do not allow a low level players to poke me nor high level players to hit me.. I will beat them out because I hate losses.. It's my personal record and I intend to keep it.. Some players are like me, they like to have good PvP record..
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. If you lose in a duel, so be it. Not stand there and let some random person to attack and kill you and don't care. Win or lose in fair fight, no problem. Although... it's funny some people ask for duels then run to safezone when they're losing... that's lame.

[heavenzcloud]

Exactly Foger. I dont mind taking a loss in pvp that I have agreed to take. Like today, TRX and I had a duel, I had no chance of winning of course. But I had decided to accept the concequences when I ask him for a duel. ^.^ I want a lost from a fight. I dont want to be ambushed by lets say an archer, since I am a squire. I get slowed, poisoned, and so close to death that by the time I reach the archer to attack I get 2 attacks in before I die. This isnt fun for me since there is no chance of winning, and I dont see it being fun for them cause theres no chance of losing. This isnt a test of skill. Its the exact same strategy you use on monsters oO. I will fight anyone that wants to fight back. But I ask by typing, instead of asking with my sword and gettin 5 attacks in before they can respond. The sweeps of pvp seems to be another sore spot. I've never been in there personally when they have happened. So If someone could inform me about the normal protocol if I am wrong. From the sounds of it members of BAMF show up to pvp and make quick work of everyone. Cause well you are BAMF and that speaks for itself^.^ I don't know if this type of domination is fun for those attacking or been attacked. The easiest situation to dominate is the chaotic one. Again, little or no skill involved in these type of attacks. I risk gettin flamed or gettin killed on sight in pvp for these next few suggestions just hear me out first. Give a white egg shout in the pvp room about the sweep. This gives a chance for us to organize ourselves and gives the sweepers more of a challenge. Its like the awakening events with Alastor. Everyone looking for parties to dominate one of his tough mobs. I believe there was a post commenting on this. Give us a chance to get a few parties together to give you a good fight. Then I wouldnt mind dying in the sweep cause I had been fully prepared to give all the fight that I could give. Not being ambushed mid-duel. I know there will be those that are too afraid of dying that they will leave pvp alltogether during the sweep , but I hope there would be enough of us, stepping up and Being Man enough, to give you the fight that you want. I know this places alot of the of the responsibility on those committing the sweep. I doesnt have to be an "excuse me, we will preforming a purge of pvp" but "we will be killing everyone in pvp. prepare to defend yourselves or go to another pvp room for a minute." I think this would cut down on the whining about the sweeps and BAMF members. and give us the chance to participate in some epic battles and create great memories.

Sorry for the edit, I had to move classes. Just finished up my thought.

[Hilux]

TRX, I actually did mean I don't care about losses in any case - mean I would prefer them to be from accepted heroic fights but its not a big thing either way. I just don't like being interupted. I'm not saying those who do care about their record are being foolish, its just not my thing. If it meant something (and who knows maybe it will one day and then i'll be in trouble xD) perhaps I would care more. And yes TRX, those people who accept a duel then run into the SZ.... yeah that's weak.

Foger, I understand what you mean regarding the high mp cost of your class and how +50mp does not cut it to get it all back, I have 600 mp and my skills are costly too. I just think that given enough pots (especially hp) there is almost no way to lose as one could just stand there, hold down the hotkey and wait. Is that realy a fight? I suppose in some cases it would make the fight last longer and every battle is different, but in general I prefer a limited supply of potions of any type. High power comes with high cost so strategy of how you use it comes into play more, at least from my perspective.

Heavenz, I agree that warning, and accepted duels are a better way to go that could possibly make everyone happier. And yes, epic battle are the best thing that rarely happens, I would love to see more guilds having friendly wars, why does competition have to end in anger?

[casper42o]

I think the one and only idea that should be used is the idea that people should be seperated by levels IF THEY CHOOSE. Like a seperate option which allows you to choose the level differences in battles like for example only battle opponents 1-10 levels higher or 1-15 levels higher or someone the same level, or 1-5 levels higher, you get what im saying? Being able to choose the level difference would be a good improvement. Today I got into a duel against a level 63.. and i was 32 at the time.. easy to say I lost the fight in one or two swings depending on iff I used the skill which makes enemys damage a quarter less then what it should be. Now if we had the option to pick and choose I think it would be good for the pvp world as we know it. As well as the option to go all out against whatever level. Completely up to yourself,... and once in create rules between eachother like no pots, no running. And if they disagree to the rules.. simply dont fight them.Diablo 2 has a system where theres a level allowence IF YOU CHOOSE which is where I am copying the idea from. I think players would have more fun against close to the same level pvp combat. But I am a newb.. so maybe im getting ahead of myself.

[kevinata]

PvP closed?............NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

its too fun to be closed >.>

sure it gets annoying when higher lvl people kill you for nothing but over all it is too fun to be closed, i dont know when most people go to PvP but during weekends 11 PM pacific time, there arent a lot of "bad" people in PvP. Matter of fact they make it a little funner, because people get a laugh when so and so gets killed.

PvP Events in the pasts were highly anticipated and there were always a lot of turn outs
now that a PvP arena has been implemented, People are whining.:mad:

Remember the old saying people "Becareful of what you wish for"

[ggBuRNe]

To be honest, in any PvP whether it's event or free arena, the same faces will end up as winner and there will be people whine about it.. Try look back when there were Solstice Survivor event.. Who was the winner? Shiki? Haruko? StriderHien? magius_cdar? me LOL? fireslinger (long time ago xD) and then you people blame high levels for their win..



Foger, I understand what you mean regarding the high mp cost of your class and how +50mp does not cut it to get it all back, I have 600 mp and my skills are costly too. I just think that given enough pots (especially hp) there is almost no way to lose as one could just stand there, hold down the hotkey and wait. Is that realy a fight? I suppose in some cases it would make the fight last longer and every battle is different, but in general I prefer a limited supply of potions of any type. High power comes with high cost so strategy of how you use it comes into play more, at least from my perspective.


As for this comment above, I think lately PvP is getting over your head.. Hey if you are long enough in this game or participate in PvP much or at least have a mage class character, you will understand what is mage all about and how hard it is to raise and to play this class.. As for strategy, the one with experience know what and what's not and the best combination of skill..

[Raishuu]

Whoo. I could totally be training right now, but instead decided to read every single post in this thread : D

My answer to the question? No, it should not be closed down.

I'm quite certain I'll sound like a broken record, with all the posts that's already been made here, but I just really want to say this.
Bash me all you want if you choose, call me ignorant, w/e. I stand by what I say, and that's that.

To anyone talking about being back-stabbed, betrayed, etc, etc:
Your friends are always gonna hate your other friends. Not everything can be happy and perfect and sunshine-y 24/7. Just accept the fact that Person B doesn't like Person C, and you as Person A should either take a side, or just stay out of it. I personally think that whatever happens in PvP should stay in PvP, even though that doesn't always happen. As I read earlier, someone who slaughters you in PvP one day, might just save your life out on the field the next - out where DEATH REALLY MATTERS.
You sure you didn't do something to them first? Maybe you kept DoT'ing someone, or poking someone, and they didn't like it cause they were having a bad day. "But you never told me to stop ;_;" might be your defense - open your eyes! If they stunned/ankled you while you were "having fun" - that's a sign to STOP. Keep doing it and they WILL attack you for real, and maybe even bring some friends with them.
Ever thought that maybe they were just picking a fight FOR FUN? If one of your friends goes after you - seemingly for-real, just play along. If they kill you, they'll most likely get you a rez; if you kill them, you go get them a rez. I've had several of my friends try and really kill me, that doesn't mean that they're not my friends anymore; it's all in good fun - an unsaid mutual agreement. Now if you ask them to stop and they don't, or they seriously start cussing their heads off if they've died, that's another story. Then they've just shown you their true colors and just what you mean to them - don't let it bother you, forget them, they're not worth your time.

To anyone whining about being killed in PvP because you're a lower level:
DEATH DOESN'T HURT. You die, you lose 800 kron and your Loss record is one digit higher. Boo hoo. What's 800 kron worth? FOUR TINY POTS. It's almost NOTHING. Yeah, in the long run it will add up, but essentially the entrance fee is pocket change - that's the only point I'm trying to make. It's not like changing your hair style/color, which costs 9K [still cheap depending on your financial status in-game, but more expensive than PvP]. And your loss record? Doesn't matter at all, it's just a little meter that tells you how many people you've killed, or how many people have killed you. Yeah, to some people it means something, and I have nothing against that - just means you're serious about the game and that can hardly be called bad (:
BAMF. I am not in any way affiliated with BAMF, nor do I know any of their members very well, but I think they are just people who happen to have more time/money on their hands and spend it grinding. They are not full of KoS'ers, jerks, people with no lives - many people in the guild are decent . They work for their levels - and to deny them the small, quite useless reward of being able to kill someone in PvP, 30+ levels lower or not? I find that unfair. What else is it that they gain from leveling, anyway? Besides to get class change/new helms/new skills. Everyone has to admit that SoS doesn't have enough features, nothing to [I]truly look forward to, yet.
Also, I'm somewhat quoting a friend here, lol. Don't remember it exactly, but... "BAMF is just full of bored people." that was when we were talking about how BAMF had an open-call for guilds willing to PvP with them. Now, referring back to the epic Ziggy vs. Strider duel that was mentioned earlier, why haven't more guilds than just SS attempted to accept the challenge? I was a spectator at the beginning but when people started leaving I got involved, and you know what? Even though my Disc is only lv. 71, I had FUN. When the teams got mixed, Hilux's team got one win, Strider's team got one win. And if you're wondering, YES. ONE win per side - which means what? Strider died - the impossible happened and the invincible man got beat. And you know how he reacted? Did he go all whiny and start complaining about it? No, he just shook it off and went at it again in Round Two. How do you like that? The leader of the KoS'ing guild showed more maturity when dying than some others.
I really think that it is impossible to stop BAMF from wiping the Normal Arena, but maybe it would happen less often if people stopped being so scared of BAMF and joined in on one of their Party/Guild battles?
And you also gotta remember that at one point every member in BAMF was just like that level 3 Xenian you see running around Brynhilld. They were NOT born Templars/Priests/Assassins/Archers/Warriors/Wizards. They were NOT given these characters to play. They worked for their status. They worked hard because at one point maybe THEY were the ones getting KoS'ed in the arena.
Going back to "What happens in PvP stays in PvP." Sort of. Talking about that "H-Rogue" so many people hate... yeah, he is a pain in the Arena. In fact, not only is he a pain, but he's rude, inconsiderate, and downright irritating. But have any of you ever talked to him outside of PvP? He's actually not that bad [OMG!]. I remember partying with him for the first time with his scout. My Disciple had just gotten Chain Block and was giving my first shot at AoE. He actually gave me tips on AoEing - things that might help me. And although some of his ideas I didn't completely agree with [killing the alphas while mobbing - I'm too lazy to do that], he was trying to help me become a better player in his own way. Now what would you call that? Mean? I think not.
Go chat and mingle somewhere else, kay? I'll admit - I go to PvP to hang out with my friends, cause they're so addicted [and I'm becoming hooked as well...]. But I go in there knowing that there's a very large chance I'll die in a wipe or just from some idiot who thinks it's cool to kill me. Yeah, I'm a lil upset when I can't move anymore cause I'm a ghost, and LOL, I'll whine a bit to my guildies if I got ganged, or someone just keeps annoying me after I tell them to stop. I don't hold a grudge - usually [I believe everyone, even those supporting PvP makes a few exceptions for those special people out there], and I never will to people like BAMF, whom I really don't think are KoS because I personally define KoS as killing a SPECIFIC person and/or guild every time you see them because of something they've done/because you just don't like them. BAMF doesn't discriminate - they kill anyone and everyone.
But anyway, in the end PvP is PvP - don't hate me for saying that 'cause it is. When it comes down to it it's Free-For-All and if you can't take it just don't go and ignore it. The end.

Now, last night, during Maintenance, I was a part of a very long PvP group chat on msn, and I'd like to quote a few things here...

Will remove names mentioned in this one if anyone wants me to...
i mean look like yesterday
bakuyaa was getting mobbed by arion hugu more and rikan
arion is cool
i targeted him >D
and then me and rikan duked it out
we had a blast
didn't care
we were talking and laughing
while beating the **** out of each other
People that cry about PvP should just go train more
They know that if they were strong, they would kill people too
You realize, how on the 2 sides
there's the Pro PvP side, which is labelled the ******* KoSers
Then the Con side, which are the harbringers of "justice"
does anyone even REALIZe the way players ply in the game?
i've never had a problem with anyone outside of pvp
or inside for that matter..

[kevinata]

somewhat agree with the person above, he said what i wanted to say but better

althogh i dont about the BAMF people, the same goes for the Buraku and Adrenaline people

they dont just Kill everyone, most are really just there to poke (with their amped skills)
and have fun, if u die from 1 hit, then you must leave PvP and start grinding

Most are really nice people , they protected me when some person was there killing noobs (i always go to PvP with my super lowlevel aco)

THe unspoken-should-be-understood thingy in PvP:
if you die its not a big deal, forget about it and move on

The PvP arena isnt there to let people kill unsuspecting totally random noobs
its a place to have fun,in a place where there are lots of people to talk to and no monsters to agro u (OK there are some monsters in PvP XP) and although some people make it hard to have fun like them noob killers, then just go sumwher else >.> and whine

not in the forums tho <.<


OT: nuuuuuuu plz keep PvP

[Hilux]

As for this comment above, I think lately PvP is getting over your head.. Hey if you are long enough in this game or participate in PvP much or at least have a mage class character, you will understand what is mage all about and how hard it is to raise and to play this class.. As for strategy, the one with experience know what and what's not and the best combination of skill..

I am by no means trying to tell how how to play your class, and I admit I know almost nothing about mage class except from what I hear from my friends. Its just my preference to avoid the use of potions where possible while using my own mp heavy class; you don't have to. My comments about skill and potions refer to people spamming high power potions as oppose to moving around and fighting it out and using all the skills they have. Would you say for example, if 2 knights are dueling just standing there using slash on eachother while spamming large pots that it is a real battle of skill and technique? I am not saying that you do that, just that some do and that I personally don't enjoy such battles as much as ones where you might have to stun your opponent retreat and recover. And no, I don't think pvp is getting over my head. I am really enjoying it and I'm trying to get others to enjoy it too.

[SawyerAshfire]

BAMF always seems to be the issue for everyone in PvP but what about those members that not only never step foot into PvP but people who dont abide by the so called KoS policies? Me included. I vowed when I joined BAMF (or any of it's affiliations) that I would not abide by the KoS policy because personally I think its stupid. My guild members know this and they accept my decision. You can only single out certain people who participate like that but then what kind of guild member would I be to point fingers? There are other individuals that do the exact same Killing on Sight that are not members of BAMF so why is it that they are not being crucified in the same manner? Yes, BAMF is notorious for slaughtering in PvP, but isn't it ironic that when someone else goes on a killing spree BAMF is still always the first to be blamed? Of course, blame by reputation.

Yes I do think there is a definite issue with regards to the etequite that is presented in the arena, like people being revived and then killed countless times or bullied the second they step into the arena, but I don't think that closing PvP as a free activity is going to do anything. Granted even today I warped in on my Wizard and was immediately attacked and killed. I hadn't even been in there for longer than 30 seconds.

Personally I would love it if they brought back Solstice Survivor or Class of Destiny, but guess what? The people who would win every time would be the same BAMF members.. and why? Because they are some of the strongest players in the game. And you know what? People will STILL complain. I don't think its proper for people to sit there and say 'its PvP get over it' because there are those who knowingly will attack another player for the easy kill just for fun. If people are bored.. whats the point in the easy kill? Isn't the point of PvP to test your skills against other players? Well one would assume that would mean players of a similar or higher level. Its a lose/lose situation. Why do people go into PvP? Simple.. to pwn anyone and everyone. I get it, PvP isn't fun any more because of killing sprees, people interrupting duels, and rez/killing, but I don't see it changing anytime soon.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I think we're going about this the wrong way. I agree with the level system though that does create a little bit of a bias for people who are friends and of different levels so that they cannot enter PvP together. And obviously closing free PvP all together is just going to create that much more of an uproar. Maybe there isn't anything that can be done. Maybe there will always be rude and ignorant people out there that will kill other players for fun and not think twice about it. It would just go to show how close knit the community actually is.

Divided we stand...

[HeartlessKairi]

Damn Aya, that's LONG o_0.
I fully agree with her.
BAMF really worked hard to get their lvls and their status right now. [not negative status]
BAMF is just like us, WE'RE HUMAN.
We eat, we sleep, we work, etc.
No need to be mad or upset just because they are the strongest people among Xen.
I bet you would do the same if YOU were higher level. [I would, but I'm a healer :] + I don't believe in KoSing.]
PvP is PvP ^^ Don't worry about the losses and wins.
...drama is another part ><;;
So don't blame BAMF please :'D They TOO want fun from all their hard work in grinding.
[Would YOU like exp like .005 WITH BOOST!? No! >> But they didn't complain and started grinding no more how sucky the exp is. So in return, don't complain about your deaths in PvP even though it's hard.] ^^

DON'T give up okay? Try your best. Get in there, have some fun, and laugh at your deaths! >> [I know I did xD]

[shiningkittenfur]

im not gonna write up a giant block of text like everyone else, but my point is still the same.

PvP shouldnt be closed down, maybe changed, but not closed down.
IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO GO TO PVP.

it's like fast food, it's your choice to go, so if you die from whatever they put in the food, you take the responsibility.

[TRXSTA]

Except. People in America. Sue fast food for making them fat. So I dunno how well that'll get across. :<

[Necronomicron]

Except. People in America. Sue fast food for making them fat. So I dunno how well that'll get across. :<

lolololo 100% truth :x

ppl just complain about everything
"omg i went to pvp i got killed T_T,
i think pvp should be closed!"
*** >_>

[catry]

lolololo 100% truth :x

ppl just complain about everything
"omg i went to pvp i got killed T_T,
i think pvp should be closed!"
*** >_>

...that's not even remotely what the original post said. Thanks for putting words into my mouth.

Can a CL please close this thread down? The civilized debate is getting lost in all the whining about whiners... O_o

[comp4ssion]

Except. People in America. Sue fast food for making them fat. So I dunno how well that'll get across. :<

Don't put all Americans in one basket, TRX. We're not all a bunch of whiny, overweight, blue-jean wearing, french-fry munching, brainless, panicky, greedy, capitalistic, selfish, whiny, crybaby jerks. The 10% of us that are make the 90% of the rest of us look bad. Same thing goes about PvP...the 10% of people it's making mad enough to get vocal about it are the 10% posting here. Step back and look at a situation before you stereotype people, because I'm not a member of EITHER 10%.

...that's not even remotely what the original post said. Thanks for putting words into my mouth.

No offense, Kit, but you should have seen some gross misinterpretation of your thread coming. Fact is, people will blast down their opinions before even reading what is posted...rather than taking the time to stop and think about what you really mean, they'll just stereotype your intent (or just you in general, as the eloquent and sophisticated individual above has) and forsake their supposed reading comprehension skills for the chance to make themselves feel better by painting you up to be the bad guy.

I'm ditching this thread; don't bother replying to me, I'm not coming back to this.

[tankofinsanity]

lolololo 100% truth :x

ppl just complain about everything
"omg i went to pvp i got killed T_T,
i think pvp should be closed!"
*** >_>

of course there is no requirement that you cannot kill everyone you see in PvP

but as a courtesy you should allow people to finish duel, or at least ask for consensus before engaging in combat

The PVP should not be closed down, just like the right of speech should not be taken away

As said, No one have to respect others

But I guess the expectation for the community was too great, and expecting the community to follow the general courtesy rule of respect is too great

I guess I should just blame myself for having high expectation

afterall you guys are just humans, bounded by inferior complex and can only seek satisfaction through degrading others.

and same as compassion, I will not check this thread any longer

I'm off to happier threads since wasting my free time to see how the community is failing is idiotic

[MetallicaX]

No. Pvp should not be shut down. More people will complain if it's gone than if it remains.

[Necronomicron]

make love, not war? D:

[bobalitos]

why dont we all sit together and press control 6 in pvp =P

then everything will be fine and dandy


^^;


pvp should stay.

[justin_2006]

Don't put all Americans in one basket, TRX. We're not all a bunch of whiny, overweight, blue-jean wearing, french-fry munching, brainless, panicky, greedy, capitalistic, selfish, whiny, crybaby jerks. The 10% of us that are make the 90% of the rest of us look bad. Same thing goes about PvP...the 10% of people it's making mad enough to get vocal about it are the 10% posting here. Step back and look at a situation before you stereotype people, because I'm not a member of EITHER 10%.

seriously >....>
i am NOT a fat fast food eating american <...<

[bobalitos]

actually it is 72 million people that are obese- not simply overweight- in america.

that is one third of US population.

source: CDC.

one out of three people does not make majority but it is an alarming number.



on topic: pvp should stay! lol

[dylanangel]

[closed]
Pr request of the OP.