PVP should not be in abyss

[alexeccles234]

:eek: its not fuun how when i try to train i get killed and lose tons of exp, it makes me so mad! :mad:

[Shaden]

Then don't train in the Abyss - it isn't the only place to level in the game, you know. It is the easiest, and fastest in a sense, because you have higher risks of dying.

There was once a time when we had no Abyss to grind in; everyone managed back then - I'm sure it won't kill you to try grinding elsewhere.

[philipelva]

actually, some ppl are not friendly and just kill without talking
unfortunitely, high lvl ppl could enter in low lvl abyss, eg. lvl 86 can enter in lvl 70 abyss
so if u are sure that u cant beat someone in abyss, just change the spot in abyss for grinding. it seems on one would trace u with evil intentions. Thats the only way we could do recently >-<

[Spankle]

Then don't train in the Abyss - it isn't the only place to level in the game, you know. It is the easiest, and fastest in a sense, because you have higher risks of dying.

There was once a time when we had no Abyss to grind in; everyone managed back then - I'm sure it won't kill you to try grinding elsewhere.

The only reason levelling abyss is hard is if higher levels don't let you by killing you, not looking at anyones sig. I'd like to think there is a certain level of player respect among the community, given we all know we're looking for the fastest way to level and levelling isn't easy at times. Rather than telling players to go to areas with lower exp if they want to level, why dont you go to FBZ1 if you want to pvp Shaden?

I dont hate abyss, most people aren't there to get you and leave you at peace as a 2x grinding in 4x abyss i know this. But of course there are some and thats when you go quest or go to another abyss and come back when they've gone.

[Shaden]

why dont you go to FBZ1 if you want to pvp Shaden?

Because it is tainted with the level 89's in full +9 armor and weapons who decide to one hit anyone of any level if they try to enjoy themselves in PvP. At least Abyss provides a playing field where you can fight people around the same level with generally the same skills and no major advantages over you; aside from SC users.

You don't have to kill everyone in sight in one huge massacre to get 1k points, just so you know. It took me a while to get this together, and the last 50 were provided by my lovely friend who let me kill her. xD

I know someone who got 1k in roughly 4 days from just spam killing everyone. Why didn't I stop him? No idea, but what's done is done.

I've had my character in Abyss since it was released, 29 perma. Now I have to keep up with the new cap otherwise even I wouldn't be able to stand a second in there. And everyone knows I like to shroom up and AFK for several hours... in hopes of not dying while I read the forums. Although I usually do. :P

/rambles on

[Spankle]

nd no major advantages over you.

A lv 36 with full t3 scrolls does have a huge advantage over a lv 20-25 who cant even access t3s, thats why people don't like the new patch, they want to level not get killed by people they have NO chance against. Its the same reason people dont want to go to abyss that you don't want to go to pvp, but its ok for you because you have no cost of not going there. For them it means grinding on lower exp, and it is lower, so u cant use the "all maps are the same" thing to justify killing people out.

[Shaden]

A lv 36 with full t3 scrolls does have a huge advantage over a lv 20-25 who cant even access t3s, thats why people don't like the new patch, they want to level not get killed by people they have NO chance against. Its the same reason people dont want to go to abyss that you don't want to go to pvp, but its ok for you because you have no cost of not going there. For them it means grinding on lower exp, and it is lower, so u cant use the "all maps are the same" thing to justify killing people out.

You still judge me mindlessly, Spankkle. This seems to be you vs. me now, so why don't we take it to PM's, because you are getting close to the point of flaming now. I'd rather you not get into trouble. xD

In regards to your argument, players were passing the lowbie Abyss cap long before the change and running t3 to massacre. Back then, even I could do nothing to stop them, mainly because using scrolls when you plan on fighting for 20 minutes then chatting for the other 40 is a waste.

Also, I've yet to see a PK'er with full t3 who lasts long enough in the Abyss to actually cause distruption. Most of them are killed by PKK's within 10 minutes of beginning their terrorizing. You know, in 20 Abyss.

Now when we look at a higher Abyss... -cough-

[dewthedew02]

Dont get me wrong abyss pvp is good in a way but the new lvs aloud their is a PAIN i used to hate worring about gettin atk and fightin for my spot but now that people 10 lvs higher than me in abyss their no point

[Spankle]

You still judge me mindlessly, Spankkle. This seems to be you vs. me now, so why don't we take it to PM's, because you are getting close to the point of flaming now. I'd rather you not get into trouble. xD

In regards to your argument, players were passing the lowbie Abyss cap long before the change and running t3 to massacre. Back then, even I could do nothing to stop them, mainly because using scrolls when you plan on fighting for 20 minutes then chatting for the other 40 is a waste.-

I only judge what you post, I see you make comments like "The times I do gank for the hell of it, well, I can't give a reason. I love to kill." and I have strong opinions against it. Theres no point in PMing because my posts aren't really for you as much as players reading who will go and do the same thing.

[Shaden]

I only judge what you post, I see you make comments like "The times I do gank for the hell of it, well, I can't give a reason. I love to kill." and I have strong opinions against it. Theres no point in PMing because my posts aren't really for you as much as players reading who will go and do the same thing.

Still, you seem to be basing it on me solely with the fact that I've provided some proof I ever used scrolls. I honestly hardly see PK'ers in full t3 rampaging the 2x Abyss. You think this happens, maybe you had a bad experience once, but it isn't as common as people make it out to be.

[otterfactory]

This game is not made for PvP. Player versus player in Fiesta requires no skill, just SparkCash, Class (Fighter), and Levels. How can I possibly be for a change that not only makes PvP a more significant part of abyss but also imbalances the Level aspect of PvP in thereby allowing people 16 levels higher to kill noobs mindlessly at a cost to the low level characters?

I know someone who got 1k in roughly 4 days from just spam killing everyone. Why didn't I stop him? No idea, but what's done is done.

Exactly, that means that one jerk is happy and the 1ks worth of people he killed are really pissed off. Does it balance out? I think not.

I notice you have 1K Kill Points too. Want a cookie?


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It is not that PvP should not be a part of abyss, it is that unbalanced PvP should not be a part of this game. By not addressing the initial imbalance they have made the problem far worse by expanding PvP's function in abyss.

[saint_attila]

Because it is tainted with the level 89's in full +9 armor and weapons who decide to one hit anyone of any level if they try to enjoy themselves in PvP.

Could this not be said the same of level 39s who decide to go into level 20 abyss and kill people who try to enjoy themselves in the abyss? Or in the level 30 abyss, or 40, or 50, or any of the abyss for that matter? While they might not have full +9 armor, they are still much more powerful than the rest of the population. Thus, everything is unbalanced. That balance needs to be repaired.

[redjumpsuitapparatus]

Abyss gives high exp, easy kill mobs, and good drops. People fight for spots because of this. They also kill some people w/o speaking up doing random attacking. Its for power i guess and for fun. So if you don't like being killed in Abyss, go train outside.

As for the higher levels, you can't avoid them. Just call for help ;)

[Shaden]

Could this not be said the same of level 39s who decide to go into level 20 abyss and kill people who try to enjoy themselves in the abyss? Or in the level 30 abyss, or 40, or 50, or any of the abyss for that matter? While they might not have full +9 armor, they are still much more powerful than the rest of the population. Thus, everything is unbalanced. That balance needs to be repaired.

Certainly could, but there is a large difference in 26 vs. 32 compared to 25 vs. 89. That difference being you can expect the 89 to win, while the other fight will at least go on for a bit.

[saint_attila]

Not really. A level 32 fighter will have access to more skills than the level 26, as well as better armor and weapons. If they are enhanced, even moreso. The best thing that could happen right now is that people suddenly find their common sense again. Killing someone lower leveled than you is always frowned upon, so why should you slaughter people lower leveled than you in the abyss for 'fun'? I mean, they don't find it fun and if you were killed by someone much higher leveled than you, how would you react? I don't think you would go 'Oh well, lol." And move on. I believe that if I were to kill you, on my Cleric of all classes, you would be just as angry as if you had killed me on my fighter alt.


You see, I'm calling for people to play more intelligently. Stop killing the helpless lower levels in the abyss, start fighting those that are your level. Fight fairly. Whatever happened to the fighter's code of honor?

[Spankle]

Not really. A level 32 fighter will have access to more skills than the level 26, as well as better armor and weapons. If they are enhanced, even moreso. The best thing that could happen right now is that people suddenly find their common sense again. Killing someone lower leveled than you is always frowned upon, so why should you slaughter people lower leveled than you in the abyss for 'fun'? I mean, they don't find it fun and if you were killed by someone much higher leveled than you, how would you react? I don't think you would go 'Oh well, lol." And move on. I believe that if I were to kill you, on my Cleric of all classes, you would be just as angry as if you had killed me on my fighter alt.


You see, I'm calling for people to play more intelligently. Stop killing the helpless lower levels in the abyss, start fighting those that are your level. Fight fairly. Whatever happened to the fighter's code of honor?

Well said..*imaginary +rep*

[saint_attila]

It seems to me that a few fighters may need to check this place out.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123657&highlight=Fighter%27s+code+honor

[DF001]

Rofl, abyss in PvP is great. *rollf eyes*

Stop bashing Shaden, he is just playing the game like it should be played.

[Spankle]

nah players choose how they treat each other not outspark

[Shaden]

I notice you have 1K Kill Points too. Want a cookie?


Yes, yes I would. Oreo if you could.

[otterfactory]

Yes, yes I would. Oreo if you could.

http://i36.tinypic.com/28k0yn8.jpg

The rest of it got eaten by a group of 4x Noobcakes who still manage to Devastate you mid pull in 8x abyss. Upon your death, the Noob-Raiders seized what loot they could from the cookie before the Grave Robbers got 'em.

[Spankle]

Looool please dont tell me that happened

[aslynn_15]

No one has addressed my experience. I was in a room in 7x abyss which already does not have enough mobs as it is, and a lower level couple decides to steal the mobs out of the room. I try not to kill lower lvls because I don't see any honor in that but then what is one to do when something like this happens? I posted this here just for folks to keep in mind that they (the lower levels) are not always innocent and that they are taking a risk by being in a higher lvl area and other players should be treated as monsters. Moral of the story: Don't aggro higher level players or you will be killed.

[NLWarrior]

I agree that PvP should not be in Abby. If Abby was intended to be PvP then there should not be any monsters. That would make the Battle Zone is useless =.=

[pyr01379]

Yes, I agree that abyss shouldn't be a pvp zone but I will kill any lower lvs that are in the wrong abyss for begging for plv.

[holyavenger777]

Still, you seem to be basing it on me solely with the fact that I've provided some proof I ever used scrolls. I honestly hardly see PK'ers in full t3 rampaging the 2x Abyss. You think this happens, maybe you had a bad experience once, but it isn't as common as people make it out to be.

i see 30+ in 2x abyss fully scrolled all the time :(

[KLutZoo11]

:eek: its not fuun how when i try to train i get killed and lose tons of exp, it makes me so mad! :mad:
....tons? from the lower lvls u only lose 1% and the higher lvls only lose a part of a %

[saint_attila]

....tons? from the lower lvls u only lose 1% and the higher lvls only lose a part of a %

If you are soloing, it usually takes a bit of time to get that exp back. If you are a cleric, it takes even longer. So.........yeah, you could call it a 'ton' of exp. Especially at high levels where 1% is about 60k exp.

[DARUNA]

Not really. A level 32 fighter will have access to more skills than the level 26, as well as better armor and weapons. If they are enhanced, even moreso. The best thing that could happen right now is that people suddenly find their common sense again. Killing someone lower leveled than you is always frowned upon, so why should you slaughter people lower leveled than you in the abyss for 'fun'? I mean, they don't find it fun and if you were killed by someone much higher leveled than you, how would you react? I don't think you would go 'Oh well, lol." And move on. I believe that if I were to kill you, on my Cleric of all classes, you would be just as angry as if you had killed me on my fighter alt.


You see, I'm calling for people to play more intelligently. Stop killing the helpless lower levels in the abyss, start fighting those that are your level. Fight fairly. Whatever happened to the fighter's code of honor?

somone mentioned my post XD but i agree that this is a bit unbalanced and should be scaled down some.

[dogdogs]

Then don't train in the Abyss - it isn't the only place to level in the game, you know. It is the easiest, and fastest in a sense, because you have higher risks of dying.

There was once a time when we had no Abyss to grind in; everyone managed back then - I'm sure it won't kill you to try grinding elsewhere.

Grinding in the Abyss is much easier and has very great mobs within it, its an ideal place rather than spending the exact same time on grinding in a different place only for lower exp. Abyss monsters also do incredibly lower damage than there original states so it makes a lower risk of dying.

Reasons above make it the best place for grinding, and when you find a good place you cant resist that well so its pretty hard to quit grinding fro the abyss.

[Calus767]

Ok ima list the problems some people are having and then my opinions to make it more clear. I support PvP in abyss so if you dont please atleast take your time to read this.

1. [Abyss shouldn't be PvP, if you want to PvP go to FBZ / Abyss isnt for PvP because it has monsters]
- First off, as Shaden mentioned, in FBZ its either empty or filled with cap players and unless you agree to set them, there are no stakes. Abyss is different because you might be fighting for reasons such as grinding spots or even access to the abyss. For players like me and many others thats alot more fun than fighting for nothing and doing nothing between fights. Abyss is big and filled with monsters with better drops and exp. Now tell me, would you rather go to FBZ or a PvP area that protects you from very high LVs and you get good drops and exp in. I love PvP and I love being able to PvP while at the same time getting exp and money. It also attracts players with its high exp and drops so its never empty.
Now while thats more than enough reasons to have monsters in a large PvP area, the REAL problem is the high drops and high exp attracts people who are poor sports when it comes to dieing, are use to getting whatever they want, or are to low LV to compete there and claim its "unfair". The reason for the high exp and high drops though is because of the risks, you loose alot of money during PvP and now you loose exp, (plus, you dont get exp from PvP itself) so the high exp and drop rates make up for this.. but ONLY because of the people who want non-PvP abyss because they want the bonus drops and exp, I think PvP should have normal drop rates and exp.. AND REMEMBER, IF ABYSS WAS NON-PVP WHO WOULD TRAIN ANYWHERE ELSE??
-- another way to solve this is to throw gold in a cage of rabid dogs and whoever jumps in die, thus the people who want the high drops and exp without the risk will be to busy being dead to play.

2. [Its not fair because a LV35 will always loose to a LV42 (or) there are higher LVs who will kill the lower LVs in abyss just like they would in FBZ]
- (First I want to start with saying although being the Higher LV or having the +9 does give you a huge advantage, it doesn't mean sure win. When I was LV59, for example, I fought a LV67 +9 axe fighter in a no CS/Potion/Buff battle and out of our 3 fights, I won the last one (it wasn't till the 3rd fight I realized I should switch to a shield when stunned))
Now to the point though, stay in the abyss that's cap is closest to your LV if you are afraid of being killed by a higher LV! Before that patch you could even GO to the higher LV abysses, being able to go there is an extra option, take it at your own risk! -- So your givin an all you can eat ticket to a McDonalds.. but because you cant control your desire to eat as much as you can, you blame McDonalds?! what?!
I like being able to bring lower LV guild members into my LV abyss and they know the risk as well as I do when coming with me XD Still, people will complain because even when it was LV30-39, a LV30 would stand no chance against a LV39 ... but its simple, if the LV30 cant find a party, then just don't go to abyss until you LV some more..
Now there is a problem how the LVs are something like LV1-56 on the LV40 abyss, I belive LV56 is to high to make use of the abyss for LVing anyway so I do think that the cap for an abyss should be lowered 6-7 LVs

3. [Fighters > All, Archers > Mage, Cleric = No damage. "This isn't fair because fighters will claim the abyss blah blah" / TEAMERS]
- now BESIDES the point that abyss is better off unfair, I do think us fighters should be a little easier to kill.. though this one is another simple one, I have more than just a fighter so when im my mage I party with a cleric or fighter or archer with high def even. Team = WIN! if you want to solo in abyss, Fighter or not, expect things to be unfair! XD

4. [Gate killing / repetitive killing / harassment]
- Now this happens often to me and ive seen it happen far to many times to others. when it happens to me I either Build a team or get high LVs to take out the spawn killer or Simply stay out of abyss for a while (yeah its that simple, I know)
And before you go blaming abyss for this, remember that its not abyss's fault that there are idiots in the world! Abyss is not the problem here, its individual person you should complain about if you really feel the need.

If anyone complains without reading this and says something ive already explained im going to quote the part of this post in a reply to them. so PLEASE READ

[zues8844]

If the Abyss gets it's PvP status taken away, then the increase drop and experience rate will also go away, meaning that the whole point of the Abyss is gone and the Abyss should be removed. Simple. End of story.

[Calus767]

If the Abyss gets it's PvP status taken away, then the increase drop and experience rate will also go away, meaning that the whole point of the Abyss is gone and the Abyss should be removed. Simple. End of story.
lol yeah and dont forget the fact that abyss will be over crowded and everywere else empty XD

[megacloud11]

:cool:lol yeah and dont forget the fact that abyss will be over crowded and everywere else empty XD

yea and i think that the abyss shuldnt be like pvp. besides if they wanna kill som1 take it 2 pvp1 or pvp2. the thing i hate most tho is that wen u die u lose ALOT!! of EXP and i hate the ppl that make me do that.i used 2 go solo but now i pretty much hav 2 hav a pty cuz of this stupid rule!:mad:

[Kyo_Sama]

why do people still find this an issue ?

i mean seriously are you all just that naive as to go willingly into a pvp field and not expect to die ?

big flipping deal, you died in the abyss to a player, its the same as dying in the field to a mob.

get over it stop crying and for the love of all thats holy go do something more productive than crying that you cant solo or party in the abyss because you failed to take into account your gonna get PK'd

/end rant

[zues8844]

They're all ranting. You just did too. Everyone has a right to it. Even though this is one rant which is annoying and keeps commonly popping up.

[Shrift]

i like how the abyss is now but i recon they should put the upper lvl limit back and it would be perfect.
i don't like how they decreased the drop rate either but i can live with it.

[toddmccreery]

The only reason levelling abyss is hard is if higher levels don't let you by killing you, not looking at anyones sig. I'd like to think there is a certain level of player respect among the community, given we all know we're looking for the fastest way to level and levelling isn't easy at times. Rather than telling players to go to areas with lower exp if they want to level, why dont you go to FBZ1 if you want to pvp Shaden?

I dont hate abyss, most people aren't there to get you and leave you at peace as a 2x grinding in 4x abyss i know this. But of course there are some and thats when you go quest or go to another abyss and come back when they've gone.

your so werid o.O

[Spankle]

your so werid o.O

i know that :D

[hemmes]

Ive got 12 kill points, some from low lvls in an abyss they shouldnt be in and the rest from feeling threatened or people trying to take my room. I have not once been killed myself since the patch. Why? CAUSE IM UBER L33D SUPER POWERFULL!
nope...not even close, i do not use SC and dont have a lot of ig money. I just now how to run and where i can and cannot pass. Im a chicken and dont take great risks. But if you make the abyss like this, this is how ill behave ^_^

People forget how to run and be insanely paranoid these days....pfffft

[KenshinGi]

I'll have to agree with shaden on most of these points...While I dont frequent the Abysses, it seems an awful trend in the FBZ areas as well. This trend being players who walk into a PvP Zone and expect to not be attacked. This seems incredibly strange, while granted when the killing gets to the poiint of harrasment it's no fun, but walking into an area where players can kill you without a reason and getting angry over it? Seems more childish than noble to me. P.S 1000 kill points :o hmmm I'd like to see those stats on my char info too >:D

[TrueNarutoUzumaki]

Abyss was created for PvP, not for grinding. You can't make them take away the main reason they created the place.

[xxandreaxx]

I don't understand ... if everyone says the abyss is for pvp then y would there b monsters in there that give u such good exp ?!? .. I think people go in the abyss just to kill lower levels to make them look cool. Well y don't they go in FBZ then lets see how cool they think they r .. when they fight ppl there lvls and higher.

[flergus]

You got this the wrong way round, there are monsters in there with good xp/drops because its a pvp environment. That's the point, higher risk, greater rewards. I don't go there that often, I don't think the xp is that great unless you are in a decent aoe party, and half the time I get distracted and chase around other players rather than mobs anyway, but when I do go, it's because I'm bored, and want something a bit more intense than the usual grind. I been killed after the patch, xp loss wasn't that bad, about 1/4 what I lose from mob death, this is like lev 50-ish. I killed some people there that annoyed me, some I didn't. I think it's fine as it is, except as mentioned by others, drop upper cap by 6 levs. So yeah, it's a pvp environment, if you go there expect to be attacked, make sure you can deal with that or get in a party. Don't be too harsh on the guys that kill the lowbies, someone gotta play the role of the bad guys, aint it. Just get together with a few people and hunt them down.

[waengle]

Abyss was created for PvP, not for grinding. You can't make them take away the main reason they created the place.
O= abyss were make for pvp o.o really? i didnt know this...

[spheris]

What can I say, Its part of the game-Deal with it.

Cause its most likely not going to change.

[otterfactory]

Abyss was created for PvP, not for grinding. You can't make them take away the main reason they created the place.

Is that in the ToS, or are you inside the developer's heads? Obviously if you can both grind and PvP, then it was meant for both.

Cause its most likely not going to change.

Well it changed for the worst before, I don't see why it couldn't change back again.

[Doran1234]

I think pvp should be allowed..but i dont like the fact of level 50+ comeing into the lower level abyass but then agin it is kindaof fun getting a big army and than all attacking that dang level 70 something that always seems to be in my abyass. in overall i think higher level players should not be allowed into lower level abyass but a lower level can go into a higher level abyass if he/she feel like it.

[spheris]

Well it changed for the worst before, I don't see why it couldn't change back again.[/QUOTE]

The only thing that changed about the abyss is the level restrictions, not the PvP aspect.

[dogdogs]

I don't think so, the game is saposed to be fun and all although pvp, deaths and loss of exp cause to much frustration and anger in people. Causing anger and frustration to level should be rare in a game like this although the pvp in the abyss is where much of the source comes from. Losing the exp is 99% of where everything went wrong, people think it's fun to kill people and get them to lose there exp but once it happens to themselves they get mad. And I completely agree with Otterfactory, since when did anyone say the abyss was for PvP, if it was why are there mobs everywhere.

[big_blade]

Guys... The only problem with pvp in abyss is the lvl limit. If only Outspark could STOP the lvl 30-40 ppl going to lvl 20 abyss, etc, this problem could be avoided. And they also need to stop all those really low lvls from coming into abyss period. Of course, Outspark doesnt seem to care very much, as so far they havent changed anything, despite all the arguments about this topic...

[big_blade]

I think pvp should be allowed..but i dont like the fact of level 50+ comeing into the lower level abyass but then agin it is kindaof fun getting a big army and than all attacking that dang level 70 something that always seems to be in my abyass. in overall i think higher level players should not be allowed into lower level abyass but a lower level can go into a higher level abyass if he/she feel like it.
Case in point. That, Doran, is a summary of my life ever since i was high enough to enter abyss.

[spheris]

I think pvp should be allowed..but i dont like the fact of level 50+ comeing into the lower level abyass but then agin it is kindaof fun getting a big army and than all attacking that dang level 70 something that always seems to be in my abyass. in overall i think higher level players should not be allowed into lower level abyass but a lower level can go into a higher level abyass if he/she feel like it.

Yeah why don't you try being a 7x minding your own business in the 70 abyss when a mess'a 40-50 people come in and steal all the kills you've been working on :/

Such situations happen all too often in the 70 abyss on epith.

So really all I can say is I will very happily kill any newb who trys to kill steal from me in the abyss, and I would encourage anyone else whom this has happened to to do the same.

[kenpoluvr]

I personally believe that since you can lose xp in abyss I think it is best to ask the person if they want to pvp in abyss before killing. There a certain someone spending a lot of time in 50 abyss right now killing ppl the second the load into the abyss and then spawn killing them. If this is considered bad sportmanship by Outspark and listed as such under GW guidelines then I think it is so for abyss as well. People in this game sometimes have little or no respect for other players.

[zerozone01]

Just kill them plan and simple :)

[Lythari]

Guys... The only problem with pvp in abyss is the lvl limit. If only Outspark could STOP the lvl 30-40 ppl going to lvl 20 abyss, etc, this problem could be avoided. And they also need to stop all those really low lvls from coming into abyss period. Of course, Outspark doesnt seem to care very much, as so far they havent changed anything, despite all the arguments about this topic...

The thing is that Outspark can't do a damn thing. OnsOnSoft are the makers. They're the ones that make these changes. All Outspark can do is give them suggestions, recommendations, and feedback; but it' ultimately up to OOS as to whether or not they are going to listen to it all.

[leobaloy]

no one would complain if they didn't lose exp as the result of being PKed. don't like being PKed? then either don't go to the abyss, or find a party, plain and simple

[spart5]

Well it changed this way so what in a person's right mind thinks it won't change back? either you can telepathicaly read a Gm's mind from states away we won't know officialy. Or there is another solution without having to take out the pvp, don't let it lose exp, sure look at the glory..you killed someone ad you like them complaing woopy for you but at least they won't lose the exp they worked o so hard for.

[kenpoluvr]

All I was saying is that if there is going to be pvp somewhere where you can lose xp then the people who are killing should use more sense and treat those who wish to grind with more respect and let them get past the spawn point. My mage had no way of fighting back while being spawn killed.

[kenpoluvr]

I just have one last thing to say then I am out of this, I forgot to mention that the spawn killing could be considered harassment. I feel like a broken record right now but OMG stop telling people to go into Abyss at your own risk. People need to be more respectful. GW guidelines state that you should not spawn kill and should not attack those that wish to not battle. I think those same guidelines should apply to pvp/abyss.

[spheris]

I just have one last thing to say then I am out of this, I forgot to mention that the spawn killing could be considered harassment. I feel like a broken record right now but OMG stop telling people to go into Abyss at your own risk. People need to be more respectful. GW guidelines state that you should not spawn kill and should not attack those that wish to not battle. I think those same guidelines should apply to pvp/abyss.

What you neglected to mention is that the part about spawn killing was listed an an optional guidline.

Yes, people go into the abyss at their own risk, it IS a PvP area afterall.

And it doesn't matter if the other person(s) wants to fight or not, in PvP everyone assumes the risk of being attacked the moment they warp through the gate.

[kenpoluvr]

Perhaps it is under "optional" but you can also go read ToS under Rules and Conduct e and w and I think that pretty much sums up that these situations can be considered harassment. You can say whatever you want but I believe there is something called ummm what is that ...RESPECT and that is all I am looking for. If I am respectful enough not to kill other players for no reason, I believe I deserve the same in return. Just because they have pvp in abyss does not mean anything should go. When exp is lost upon death in there people should use their better judgement but perhaps some people don't have any. Anyways if there is the FBZ"s where exp is not lost, then why are people so bent on killing in abyss anyways???? Now they have also implemented the pvp KQ where you can get KP's as well so really I think the bullying in abyss can and should stop.

[barewolf]

In my opinion,and maybe it's only my sole one,PvP system in abyss in a sense prevents abyss from being overcrowded.
Do you seriously thnk the programmers would put a place full of monsters just for your leveling sake?Of cuz for such a deal you'd have to accept a catch,one that involves losing exp.
If you're afraid of doing so,maybe you can find some other areas to train on.
And well,about spawn killing,I guess you can try to run to the gatekeeper which you coincidentally spawn a few steps away?Your invulnerability for that few seconds in which you are respawned was given to you for a reason=.=
And well,another perhaps sole opinion of mine,people who gets spawn killed are probably those who are afk so that people CAN kill them.

[kenpoluvr]

Whatever people...I am sick of people defending such rude and unnecessary behavior. I never said that pvp should be taken out of abyss, I simply said people should use good judgment, respect and manners when it comes to killing people. Those who are there to grind should be allowed to go do so and not harassed for their efforts and those who want pvp go right ahead with WILLING participants.

[Fuzzz]

Im at school so i dont have enough time to read all of this, but just my opinion on this topic.

Yes, Abyss gives alot of Exp and good drops but it all comes at a cost..
Outspark is trying to add a more PvP feel to this game. If you die to someone else and know you cant handle them just go to a different area to grind, dont complain about it like most do. Its PvP, not many rules. I agree is not really fair having high lvs coming into the lower lv abyss and randomly killing, but like i said its PvP. just find a different area.

People talk about "manners" but if someone asks you to leave their spot and you dont. Dont get mad or complain about it when they kill you. if they warned you in advance. Even then some people dont give warnings. People have the idea the Abyss is some nice little place that is safe and a easy way to lv. It can be but its NOT safe, lately its been giving people that idea, When it is a full PvP fight over territory.

So to me i dont mind the PvP, it can be frustrating but its part of the game. *Vote I dont Hate*

[MMORPGNERD]

whole point of abyss is risk... if it didnt have the pvp aspect why would any1 bother to train outside of it? I, for one, LOVE to pvp, and love to have the ability to kill any1 who kses me.

[Plushii]

Well today I was glad there is PVP in abyss

Some guy was ksing and attacking me for so long, and when I fought back he ran off, then 5 min later he came again, it lasted for over a hour! so annoying >.<

[kenpoluvr]

There is a huge difference between killing someone because of ks or trying to take a spot and bullies. My comments have been referring to those people, the ones bullying everyone else.

[avion210]

Although the GM's are based in California, this games is not a democracy and anything we say usually doesn't change anything the GM's do... the whole "poll" idea is really pointless...

[aleesa1]

Whatever people...I am sick of people defending such rude and unnecessary behavior. I never said that pvp should be taken out of abyss, I simply said people should use good judgment, respect and manners when it comes to killing people. Those who are there to grind should be allowed to go do so and not harassed for their efforts and those who want pvp go right ahead with WILLING participants.


^thank you for having common sense, respect for other players, and so on
Whether people who are reading this have done this or not it happens too often. People go into abyss and just wait at the gate for a potential victim. I never really go into Abyss for various reasons, however it is a good place for you to gain exp when needed to get to the next level, and also a good place to lose some(keep in mind) ... Anyways if you really want to pvp someone then go do it when killing someone wont hurt. And yeah it probably wont change anytime soon but i would just love it if people for EX: 70+ 80+ wouldnt go in lvl 50 abyss and have a big pow wow of exp loss for every single person who comes through the gate. I couldnt even stand in there for 5 secs or get past them the second time or the third... there was at least like 6 of them and it really made me mad that they were being such bullies. Mind you that i was lvl 53 at the time, not a lvl 30 or something. I do hate it when people do that.