Fiesta is beta game??

[peperinox]

Hi:
as the title says, I saw on a website that is specialized in mmorpg that says that this feast in "open beta", till what I was "open beta" test is a game in which can be erased all character when they become so "final" ... I would like to see if that any error in this webpage ... please respond someone who knows for sure if that version is "beta" or "final"

[KateeHellen]

Official this is Open Beta <however this is not 100% sure now> but there will be no character erasing after status changes.
Such move was done after Closed Beta but not now from one simple reason.
No one will bother to reaching cap level or invested in gear <or cash shop items> if behind horizon will lurking deleting character option after Open Beta phase.
So be sure that you will have your characters if Fiesta will ever achieve Full release status.

[peperinox]

to be missing but that it gets to be in phase "final" this game?

[Celtic_Princess]

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking with the second question, but there isn't a set date for the final release (or end game) yet. As of right now, we are just about halfway. (Information based on current Korean version)

Given the length of the game and the introduction of the cash shop during Open Beta I highly doubt that the characters would be erased. Imagine reaching 110 and then having your character erased...most of their players would quit.

[KireiYosei]

There's nothing to worry about. Outspark will be doing no more character deletions, and thats all that should matter right? o:

[Erevan]

This title "Beta" is more for commercial pruposes and advertising.

When a game gets "old" people may look for new games, so they keep the title "Beta" to attract new customers. Fiesta will remain "Beta" for a long time.

I do not believe they will erease anything at the end of beta. The game is running ok, only a major problem would demand this action.

[CM_Biski]

Hey there,

A few comments on this discussion:

as the title says, I saw on a website that is specialized in mmorpg that says that this feast in "open beta", till what I was "open beta" test is a game in which can be erased all character when they become so "final" ... I would like to see if that any error in this webpage ... please respond someone who knows for sure if that version is "beta" or "final"

Fiesta is not currently in Open Beta, nor should you see anything on the site containing that language. If you do, please let us know. We have no plans for any character wipes. Fiesta is currently in live commercial service.

there isn't a set date for the final release (or end game) yet. As of right now, we are just about halfway.

I'm not sure where you got this information, but we have not made any public statements about where Fiesta is with respect to its planned lifetime. All I can say is that we hope to support the game and release content for it as long as player involvement justifies our efforts. :)

Typically software leaves the "Beta" phase once it enters commercial status. Wikipedia has a nice explanation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_phase#Beta):

General availability (GA) is the point where all necessary commercialization activities have been completed and the software has been made available to the general market either via the web or physical media.

We publicly announced the debut of the Fiesta Store on November 7, 2007 - just over a year ago. Click here (http://corp.outspark.com/news/20071107-01.php) to read the full release.

Hope all this information is helpful.

[Poisoned77]

That would be November 7, 2007. I don't think the cash shop was released 7 days ago. :p

[Zixia]

Hey there,

A few comments on this discussion:

Fiesta is not currently in Open Beta, nor should you see anything on the site containing that language. If you do, please let us know. We have no plans for any character wipes. Fiesta is currently in live commercial service.

I'm not sure where you got this information, but we have not made any public statements about where Fiesta is with respect to its planned lifetime. All I can say is that we hope to support the game and release content for it as long as player involvement justifies our efforts. :)

Typically software leaves the "Beta" phase once it enters commercial status. Wikipedia has a nice explanation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_phase#Beta):General availability (GA) is the point where all necessary commercialization activities have been completed and the software has been made available to the general market either via the web or physical media.We publicly announced the debut of the Fiesta Store on November 7, 2007 - just over a year ago. Click here (http://corp.outspark.com/news/20071107-01.php) to read the full release.

Hope all this information is helpful.

Just curious...when did Fiesta go into commercial release phase?

[Poisoned77]

Just curious...when did Fiesta go into commercial release phase?



We publicly announced the debut of the Fiesta Store on November 7, 2007 - just over a year ago. Click here (http://corp.outspark.com/news/20071107-01.php) to read the full release.

Hope all this information is helpful.

It's right there.

[Zixia]

It's right there.

TY Po -- in CM_Biski's response to the OP, he stated that the Fiesta Store was released on Nov 7, didn't say anything about the retail launch of Fiesta.

So my question is again, "Just curious...when did Fiesta go into commercial release phase?"

[joecracker]

then why after that date where the staff still saying open beta, this was talked about before and they sauid stuill beta, so excuse most of us old timers for saying why now the change of date?

[otterfactory]

I'm not sure where you got this information, but we have not made any public statements about where Fiesta is with respect to its planned lifetime. All I can say is that we hope to support the game and release content for it as long as player involvement justifies our efforts. :)

Does that not sound quite negative to anyone else?

Like a little too much said where nothing said at all would have done just fine.

[HeroicAce]

Im a little confused as well. I joined in November of last year, and it was after the cash shop was opened, but i know at least once or twice i heard people from the staff say that the game was in open beta. The latest time i remember hearing it was early this year like around January or February. It doesnt really matter too much since i doubt there would be any major changes to the system even if it still is open beta, but it does have me wondering what the actual status is.

[Chaola]

The open beta excuse has been used left and right to justify all the bugs that rise with each patch.

And now, we learn that is actually FR since a year ? :eek:

Oh the irony :D

[kimikawaii]

I thought we were still in beta because of all these patches, Open beta should close after all patches are finished, to me at least, it's makes the most sense.

[Chaola]

Well, not really

Because as a MMO, it should always be in motion, adding new stuff, so if you said it FR when it's done, it's like saying the game is over...

[CM_Saphar]

To clarify: Once we open our cash shop for a game and it goes commercial, it is no longer considered to be in open beta. Therefore Fiesta's open beta ended on November 7, 2007. Any statement on our websites or made by staff that contradicts this is incorrect, and should be reported to any Outspark CM.

As with any MMORPG, just because Fiesta is no longer in beta doesn't mean work on the game has stopped. This should be obvious given the amount of new content and fixes we release on a regular basis.

We're committed to continuing to improve Fiesta and bring more exciting new content to the game. The real strength of working on a PC MMORPG is that nothing is ever set in stone, and we're always able build upon, change, and improve the game.

[Miazma]

To clarify: Once we open our cash shop for a game and it goes commercial, it is no longer considered to be in open beta. Therefore Fiesta's open beta ended on November 7, 2007. Any statement on our websites or made by staff that contradicts this is incorrect, and should be reported to any Outspark CM.

As with any MMORPG, just because Fiesta is no longer in beta doesn't mean work on the game has stopped. This should be obvious given the amount of new content and fixes we release on a regular basis.

We're committed to continuing to improve Fiesta and bring more exciting new content to the game. The real strength of working on a PC MMORPG is that nothing is ever set in stone, and we're always able build upon, change, and improve the game.

A huge thanks Saphar for clarifying this. Up until quite recently we have been told over and over by the powers that be that Fiesta IS in Open Beta. Claiming to still be in *Open Beta* was used to cover many problems the players face.

[Zixia]

To clarify: Once we open our cash shop for a game and it goes commercial, it is no longer considered to be in open beta. Therefore Fiesta's open beta ended on November 7, 2007. Any statement on our websites or made by staff that contradicts this is incorrect, and should be reported to any Outspark CM.

As with any MMORPG, just because Fiesta is no longer in beta doesn't mean work on the game has stopped. This should be obvious given the amount of new content and fixes we release on a regular basis.

We're committed to continuing to improve Fiesta and bring more exciting new content to the game. The real strength of working on a PC MMORPG is that nothing is ever set in stone, and we're always able build upon, change, and improve the game.

After a year and almost a month, a new member of the OutSpark family finally admits that the game is in "commercial" phase. Thank you Saphar. :)

I applaud you for the way you've conducted yourself in these forums. You've been very professional and it is the way that any/all GMs should be conducting themselves in front of their community. Hopefully your charm will rub off onto the other OS staff members.

Curious though, what past community are you from? My guess (from your posts) is that you've done this before; working with another community.


Here's an interesting old thread to read.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47988

[mynameisbobnotk]

Fiesta isnt in "Beta" its just not the full verson (reverencing the Korean version as the full version)

[Jacquin]

That's not how MMOs work. Officially, and also for all intents and purposes, this Fiesta is as official as Korean Fiesta.

MMOs don't 'retail' in the same manner as most buy-it-from-the-store games. In the latter, once the game is considered 'full' and the first CDs are being delivered, the game is essentually finished. Excluding patches that are mostly to repair problems in the code, no changes occur to the game until an expansion pack is created.

MMOs have an entirely different type of life. Typically, an MMO alters and changes throughout its lifespan. Not only are bug fixes added in, but so is completely new content. In that reguard, an MMO is never really 'done' until it is formally abandoned by the staff. This doesn't mean that the game is in beta. 'Beta' for an MMO is when the main engine and first batches of content are tested. Once the game is deemed stable, the MMO is no longer in beta, since now the game makers can turn to adding new content rather than taking care of the old content. In general, the event that marks the end of Beta is the start of the payment system (either the requests for subscriptions or the opening of the cash shop).

Btw, I can say truly that Fiesta was the odd ball: it is the only one I know that declared itself openly as Open Beta while maintaining a fully running cash shop. The recent statement on this thread is the first time I have ever seen the game referred to as full retail. Given the lack of announcement or any MAJOR changes or downtimes it is probably best to just assume that Fiesta really was in full retail, no matter what the Powers That Be said before.

As for the Korean matter: Korean is still making regular patches and upgrades just like we are. The main difference is that they pull their changes directly from the developers while we pull the changes from Korea. It makes Korea a higher version than us, but does not make them any more 'full game' than we are.

Nitpick: You can't be 'not beta or full release'. Either you are a beta or a full release, with no inbetween.

[Chaola]

Exactly.

Don't why, though, they didn't make any annoucements here on the forums...

[apoplegiason]

To clarify: Once we open our cash shop for a game and it goes commercial, it is no longer considered to be in open beta.

The open beta excuse has been used left and right to justify all the bugs that rise with each patch.

And now, we learn that is actually FR since a year ? :eek:

Oh the irony :D

A huge thanks Saphar for clarifying this. Up until quite recently we have been told over and over by the powers that be that Fiesta IS in Open Beta. Claiming to still be in *Open Beta* was used to cover many problems the players face.

im agree with miazma and chaola

i remember when i quit fiesta cuz the blue kq weapons bug and almost everyone said "its just an open beta, of curse there will be bugs" like and excuse to the bugs and when someone said, "it cant be open beta cuz we alredy have a cash store" no CL/CM/GM or wathever clarify nothing, everything was based in the "open beta excuse" and now u say we hav been in full relase since 1 year ago

how many times have been used that excuse since 1 year ago when every patch buged the game and make the players lost money,cash,time and had a bad time playing and now u say is full relase :mad:


Nitpick: You can't be 'not beta or full release'. Either you are a beta or a full release, with no inbetween.

QUOTE OF TRUTH!