Is outspark closing/deleting/moving threads that are constructive?

[tankofinsanity]

I believe the basic constitutional rights are ignored in outspark

and I ask the community if it agrees or disagrees

this is my argument:

Freedom of speech has been violated in outspark because:

1. When they find something that is highly negative, they shut down the thread so we cannot discuss it any longer

2. When they find a thread that is negative but do not want to close it, because they are still keeping the appearance they "respect" our freedom of speech, they move the thread to a less visited section of the forum so people will not see it as much

3. just now my thread concerning this was deleted, however it contains constructive criticism toward a CSR containing no personal attack in comparison to this one
link: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128184

please vote yes if you are dissatisfied with the closing of threads even when they have no "flamming", and wish for CL, CSR, GM, and CM to rethink that.

please vote no if you think otherwise, and post your comments

[techno-viking]

no. and mate...take the weekend off and cooldown or you'll end up banned too ><

[dylanangel]

I guess you chose to ignore my PM to you.

1. When they find something that is highly negative, they shut down the thread so we cannot discuss it any longer:
This is not accurate. If a thread gets out of hand with personal insults and way off topic it gets closed.

2. When they find a thread that is negative but do not want to close it, because they are still keeping the appearance they "respect" our freedom of speech, they move the thread to a less visited section of the forum so people will not see it as much:

This is also not accurate. We do not move threads to non traffic areas because we don't want you to see them. If a thread belongs in a specific area its moved there. Your threads however were reported as I already explained to you in your PM. You do not have access to the reported section.

3. just now my thread concerning this was deleted, however it contains constructive criticism toward a CSR containing no personal attack in comparison to this one
link: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128184:

This link no one can see because of the reason explained in #2. I don't need to go over again what was in the thread and why it was moved. You are aware of why. The way you are choosing to get your point across is attacking the Outspark staff and that will be deleted NO matter who the OP is

[Celtic_Princess]

Ya know...my responses in the original thread were fairly reasonable but frankly you're not only taking this too far but you're being incredibly immature about it as well.

Thrakx was a good community member overall...I had nothing against him. That said, if someone crosses a line...they cross a line. Just because he was 'a big voice in the community' doesn't give him the right to say whatever he pleases and expect to get away with it while others are punished.

It has nothing to do with being spark cash user or not in this case, you don't know what was in the PM...but youre blindly defending him, while blindly accusing outspark of being 'insensitive' to him. Do not make assumptions. Often, assumptions will lead you down the wrong path, and the consequences usually aren't worth it.

Unless you can give solid evidence that what was said in the PM was not offfensive you really have no right to call him a victim...even if he was a friend of yours. Honestly, this needs to stay between him and Outspark.
You are not using it as a reason to support thrakx but a reason to parade your own issues with outspark.

No, they are not violating our freedom of speech. I hate to break this too you but vulgar, harassing or otherwise harmful language is not protected by the first amendment. Threads that incorporate such language are shut down. I guess if youre the one using it it would make you feel victimized but for the rest of us it makes a better, drama free community.

By creating, and continuing to post these threads instead of handling the situation in a mature, adultlike manner you are not only making yourself look bad but you aren't exactly helping Thrakx's case either.

[catry]

No because they're not constructive.
Constructive would involve not accusing Outspark of violating the most basic civil rights. As it is, the first amendment has not been violated because:
1) Under the Terms of Service, which is a legally binding contract that users agree to upon registering, basically gives Outspark the right to take action on potentially iffy discussions based on their interpretation of the issue, whether or not we agree.
2) Under the annoyingly vague Fighting Words Doctrine of 1942, the right to free speech was amended to exclude discussion that is knowingly meant to cause trouble or knowingly has the potential to cause trouble. Though several decisions have been made in more recent years concerning this doctrine the centrality of it still remains.

There's a difference between constructive criticism and using language or methods that are knowingly going to cause trouble, such as making accusations that Outspark has performed criminally in their maintenance of their service.

[BloodLimit]

no. and mate...take the weekend off and cooldown or you'll end up banned too ><

Take his advice, it's good for you.

[tazsbigtoy]

No, I don't. For one thing, it's their forums and their game. For another, freedom of speech protects your rights to express an opinion, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee when where or how you can express it, and it definitely doesn't remove the speaker's responsiblity for any comments made.

Get some perspective. This is a game. It is supposed to be fun. If you aren't having fun, find something else to do, take a break, come back later and see if it's fun again. The forums seem to have taken a really negative turn lately and quite frankly seem to have gone beyond griping and constructive critism to outright attacks on outspark and its staff.

Keep in mind that the cl's and gm's are given a job to do and specific guidelines to do those jobs. They are doing what their jobs require, they aren't responisible for game content, forum guidelines, or terms of service, they just have to enforce them. At least some of you hold jobs and if you don't have some rule at work that you have to comply with even though you may not like or agree with it, you are very lucky. And how would any of us feel if we are doing what's required of us by our job only to be insulted and treated in a dispectful manner just for doing what we have to?

At a time when we should all be enjoying new content in the game and looking forward to holiday oriented events and banding together to HAVE FUN, we are instead arguing, fracturing our community, and getting ourselves banned. ?

[tankofinsanity]

Personally my feelings are mixed

and I apologize, I did take this too far

I will stop treating the forum as a public area like any property of united state

but treat it like someone's home and watch what I say

simply put, I will stop ranting, because it's just throwing pennies into a wishing well

But on the other hand

the forum will probably be a happier place

and slowly return to the glory of it's older days

and ya maybe 5 day straight of aoe isnt very good for me >__>

a relaxing walk in the park might do the trick

[Celtic_Princess]

Personally my feelings are mixed

and I apologize, I did take this too far

I will stop treating the forum as a public area like any property of united state

but treat it like someone's home and watch what I say

simply put, I will stop ranting, because it's just throwing pennies into a wishing well

But on the other hand

the forum will probably be a happier place

and slowly return to the glory of it's older days

and ya maybe 5 day straight of aoe isnt very good for me >__>

a relaxing walk in the park might do the trick


O.o 5 days of aoeing? Forget the walk dude, take a nap!

[tankofinsanity]

O.o 5 days of aoeing? Forget the walk dude, take a nap!

yup, 5 days straight

8 hours each sitting X_X

and naps are overrated >__>

aoe gives me all the relaxation i need

*insanity laugh*

[justin_2006]

Get some perspective. This is a game. It is supposed to be fun. If you aren't having fun, find something else to do, take a break, come back later and see if it's fun again. The forums seem to have taken a really negative turn lately and quite frankly seem to have gone beyond griping and constructive critism to outright attacks on outspark and its staff.

*no im not directing this to u tank*

exactly... i wish ppl will treat this as a GAME.... i truely think that most of these arguements or rants about the game(and now mostly forums itself) is a bit too much and deff. not that serious... on the whole thing about the staff taking away our freedom of speech... uh, u agreed to their tos, if u dont like what they do with their forums then maybe u shouldnt have agreed to the tos... and about the game: if u think that outspark is in some way mistreating nonsc users... then stop playing if u dont use sc... like in another thread(i believe kit said it) businesses aim for those who have the money to spend on them, thats sorta commen sense... this game is not UNPLAYABLE if u dont use sc... yes it gets boring... games have a tendency to do that sometimes >>;

yes i agree that maybe updates should come faster... but im not gonna sit here and post about five threads about how outspark isnt caring about its players and blah blah this... if ur still playing this game there must be something good about it...

i also agree with the many others who posted that "yeah thrakx mightve been a big voice, but that doesnt mean he can get away with misconduct"... i had nothing against him, i mightve found alot of his posts rude and sometimes obnoxious but the meaning of them i agreed to(MOST of them)... but if ANY player sends an inproper pm or posts an inproper thread... they should be dealt with... and personally i do find it funny how no one really knos what thrakx sent in the pm but still say "how dare u for banning him"....

[Daft_Brat]

wow, people need to stop acting like this is some happy go lucky playground made for you to run around as you please. Outspark is upholding the rules and regulations that YOU agreed to. If you want to be a rebel or w/e then do it by quitting, not dragging the whole community into it. You complain about people being negative in the community and ruining the atmosphere and then go and do things like this.....uh hello.....the rights of users in this forum and in the game are the rights that you signed for when agreeing to the TOS, that is all...


note: the you is not directed at the OP it's referencing all the people who can't stop complaining and continue jumping to unfounded conclusions.

as for the whole Thrakx thing, he was banned for a reason, don't take up the torch over something that was his own fault.

[tankofinsanity]

wow, people need to stop acting like this is some happy go lucky playground made for you to run around as you please. Outspark is upholding the rules and regulations that YOU agreed to. If you want to be a rebel or w/e then do it by quitting, not dragging the whole community into it. You complain about people being negative in the community and ruining the atmosphere and then go and do things like this.....uh hello.....the rights of users in this forum and in the game are the rights that you signed for when agreeing to the TOS, that is all...


note: the you is not directed at the OP it's referencing all the people who can't stop complaining and continue jumping to unfounded conclusions.

as for the whole Thrakx thing, he was banned for a reason, don't take up the torch over something that was his own fault.

if you wish for a goofy conversation that does not involve criticisms

may I suggest you visit the off topic section?

no one is forcing you to listen to rants you know :\

[Celtic_Princess]

if you wish for a goofy conversation that does not involve criticisms

may I suggest you visit the off topic section?

no one is forcing you to listen to rants you know :\


But she has just as much right to post her opinion as you do yours. Even if it may not agree...please keep in mind that she wasn't directly referring to you.

I think she was referring to numerous threads that tend to bring more drama into the forums than is really necessary....and then many of those same users turn around and say the community is falling apart.

[Poisoned77]

If only people would channel these "fire and brimstone" energies towards something like finding the cure for cancer, or ending human suffering. It saddens me that it is all wasted over a video game.

The nature of Thrakx's ban is between him and Outspark. You have no access at all to the content of what got him banned, nor do you have any "behind the scenes" access to this situation. Anything that is being said in these repeated threads complaining about a user being banned is pure speculation.

As I have said several times in response to these threads. Please don't invoke Constitutional rights unless you understand more what limitations are present on the freedom of speech. Any constitutional lawyer could cite to you several Supreme Court cases in which the judicial system recognizes that certain categories of comments that contain actual malice are not protected under the right to freedom of speech. It is not a say whatever you want and get away with it card. It ensures that open, reasonable, and constructive discussion shall not prohibited in the United States. Providing feedback to a company that in no way provides for the opportunity to progress and find a compromise on issues and is delivered through speculations, assumptions, fabrications, and insults is not reasonable discussion.

Now, seeing as that the ban of Thrakx is a private matter, and that this thread has nothing at all do with the general discussion of activities within Secret of the Solstice, it is [CLOSED].