Mage +9 or Fighter +9?

[yaseeda]

Really, who stronger? By +9 i mean full equipment set, not just weapon.
Fighter is weaker imho because +9 armor adds great def (much more then mage's +9), but no m def> mages in better position, their equipment adds def. I think its unfair, if fighter get +def, mage should get +M def, because if they both getting def it ruins balance.:mad:

[luckywalker07]

Something that isn't really clarified is what builds the mage and fighter have.

Although, at equal levels the fighter will win (generally).

PvP can't always be be defined by equips and classes, sometimes skill has a lot to do with it

[yaseeda]

I agree, but its still very strange, mage with +9 armor could tank almost as well as fighter, and fighter with +9 armor CANT tank mobs with m dmg, because OUR m def stays the same with +9... and in pvp mage with +9 equipment holds much better then fighter, because fighter's m def lowest in game and there is NO way to raise it to decent numbers.

[luckywalker07]

A +9 equiped fighter with an axe will kill a +9 equiped mage, if they are marginally skilled.

mdef doesn't matter when you can deva all your enemies

[yaseeda]

U forgetting about fear skill... Today i had match with one mage and just when i was about to deliever deva she either mana burned me (not problem, but i still wasted time on using sp stone) either used fear, and she had nice end in gears so i was not able to kill fast even with blue claw+9. Of course she had lot of t3 scrolls on, guild/love/hp buffs and i fought with hp buff ONLY, but i still think that mages getting upper hand in pvp if they use high end/or +9 gears (or it was just my mistake for not using scrolls?-))) Because my +9 top didnt help me at all in this battle, while in other fights with archers/clerics/fighters i am doing pretty good.

[Ren-sama]

its the scroll... i think... :P

[CrimsonRain]

Sounds to me like you need a lesson in killing mages lol xD

My 62 fighter had no problem eating up 7x and some 8x mages, and most 8x archers ;x, sadly enough, the only class i have problems killing that is higher than me is other fighters, lol.

[MMORPGNERD]

a fully +9ed mage can not kill a fighter (if he knows what hes doing)~tried and proven (i was the fighter)

[Shaden]

Fighters have more than enough strengths, Mages are pretty much their only weakness due to lack of M.Def. I don't think they need any bonus to M.Def at all. I disagree that a skilled Fighter will never lose to a Mage, because a well-built and played Mage can be devastating, especially with a few massive crits.

[yaseeda]

I completly agree, as i said, battle with full end/full +9 mage could be troublesome for fighters even if they has nice str.

[Canboy]

I completly agree, as i said, battle with full end/full +9 mage could be troublesome for fighters even if they has nice str.

Yeah and a full spr with end/spr gears fighter will be almost unbeatable for a mage.

[yaseeda]

Um, end useless for fighter in battle with mage (only for hp maybe?), and spr... Well, yes, full spr fighter certain death to mage, but fighters usually buy end/str gears ( and i never saw FULL spr fighter, lol)
Anyway... Point of this topic is that full +9 fighter armor and full +9 armor for mage are not the same thing in terms of balance, so... Dont г think it would be fair to lower fighter's armor def a little, but add m def bonus when enchanced? Because mages could compensate lowest def in game with enchanced armor, and fighters CANT do it.
Hey, maybe we should even make a poll? I think gms will hear us if enough ppl will ask for such changes? But first i wanna hear opinions, what do г think, fighters? U ok with pure def armor or ready to invest some def into m def? I vote for def/m def, not pure def ^_^

[borednl]

A mage with all +9 armor on stands no chance against an STR fighter with +0 armor on. The only time the mage wins is if they fear the fighter without getting stunned and then get a few lucky crits in.

A fighter needs no lucky crits.

It's not unfair that mages get a DEF boost from +9's and fighters don't get a m.def boost. It's unfair that mages have such incredibly low DEF to begin with.

[luckywalker07]

U forgetting about fear skill... Today i had match with one mage and just when i was about to deliever deva she either mana burned me (not problem, but i still wasted time on using sp stone) either used fear, and she had nice end in gears so i was not able to kill fast even with blue claw+9. Of course she had lot of t3 scrolls on, guild/love/hp buffs and i fought with hp buff ONLY, but i still think that mages getting upper hand in pvp if they use high end/or +9 gears (or it was just my mistake for not using scrolls?-))) Because my +9 top didnt help me at all in this battle, while in other fights with archers/clerics/fighters i am doing pretty good.

Fear is a useless skill now seeing as opponents can pot and stone, there's no difference really, other than its 5~7 seconds when your opponent can't hit you.

And if your magey friend wasn't scrolled up, she'd have died... so my point still stands

[Spankle]

Since i got stifle at about 76 I could kill pretty much any 7x fighter and since 79 can kill alot of 8x without bk. This is with all max (or close to) end +9 equips and blue, also considerable dex in armour helps. All you have to do is survive stun which can be done if stifled, then aoe/aoe/hammer= dead. However before stifle mages will find it very hard to kill +9 axes and is unbalanced because the stun death is so easy.

[Zaiks]

A mage with all +9 armor on stands no chance against an STR fighter with +0 armor on. The only time the mage wins is if they fear the fighter without getting stunned and then get a few lucky crits in.

A fighter needs no lucky crits.

It's not unfair that mages get a DEF boost from +9's and fighters don't get a m.def boost. It's unfair that mages have such incredibly low DEF to begin with.

I totally agree. The mages NEED +9 equip to stand a chance (in therms of END), fighters don't.

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

well, if u actually compare the damage a mage weapon does, it is even lower than that of the hammer. i think the reason +9 armor doesnt add m def is so that the damage produced by mages have some significance. axes do so much dmg that even if mages have +9 armor (note that they get less bonus def on their equips than fighter), they will still lose easily once stunned (this is all under the assumption that noone uses extenders/charms of course, pretty much any class can become unkillable with full buffs/scrolls/cs items.). even though im a fighter, i will admit that giving us m def would overpower us, as our only real weakness is lack of m def and lack of range. if they were to add m def with +9 armor, i would say theyd have to drastically increase the damage of wands/staffs.

[filthynote]

how about this i welcome any fighter in bijou for a pvp tho he has to be in the range on 7x and ill whipe the flours with them >.> dont say mages cant win cuz with me any 7x fighter is cake pvper vs me

[yaseeda]

A mage with all +9 armor on stands no chance against an STR fighter with +0 armor on.

LoL, of course, its because there is NO difference if fighter's armor +9 or not during battle with mage, it adds def, not m def -)))))+0 armor with godly spr much more preferably for such duel.
And btw... Dunno, maybe i already said this, but still: mages best dd not because enemy has low m def and mages has high m dmg (fighter with blue +9 has 400 more points in dmg then mage with blue+9). Mages strong because they have many strong aoes (few days ago i made experiment- mage friend of mine (same lvl as me) casted nova and then inferno while i wasnt moving. Nova took only 45% of my hp and then vanished (i am dd/hybried, so my hp pretty low), i rested and then she casted inferno - 95% of my health, buti was still alive-)))) So basically i agree that fighter may lose to mage only if they fully scrolled/buffed or "stun not work,FEAR" situation. But still armors not balanced, i am pretty curious about new pvp kq, we'll see now real odds of winning/losing, yay!;)

[Spankle]

Without stifle, +9 axe fighter should always win, with stifle mage +9 high end will win. Need to be clear which level mage you're talking about as this skill is defining in my experience.

and yeah...

A mage with all +9 armor on stands no chance against an STR fighter with +0 armor on.

is totally untrue for lv73+

[yaseeda]

Um, full str lvl 73 fighter with lets say blue axe+9 has around 2400 dmg (i repeat, FULL str wit lot of str in gears), and mage of same lvl with armor+9 has around 1100 def (checked on my friend mage, she NOT end build), so basically even with t3 shield scroll on mage will lose around 1000 hp in 1hit or maybe even more, so fighter could kill pretty fast, on the contrary, if full str fighter duel full int mage the outcome cant be predicted.
They will deal about same dmg and chances would be 50/50 (but fighter WILL win if mage dont have +9 armor, and since he is int build his def/hp would be very low).
LoL,we returned to starting point, +9 armor for mages more effective in such duel, and fighter's +9 armor useless in battle with mage :D We need more balanced armor enchancement!-)))

[gregysuper]

it wouldnt be fair if fighters were undeafeatable like clerics AND have awesomely high dmg.
Mages are there to balance thingz :D

[BainS-NT]

Lvl 85+ Tankers with low SPR vs a +9 mage are dead.
Lvl 85+ Tankers with medium to high SPR then relies on skills, button mashing, and pots to win.
Mage still can easily win if experienced.
And to whoever said Full END Mage, thats the worst build to go.
Also this "1000" dmg crit you talk about only happens with deva and power hit, which mage can easily pot/stone back.
To everyone who thinks Mage vs Fighter PvP hopeless, its very possible, if you know what your doing.

If you charm its almost auto win unless you suck haha.

[yaseeda]

Tanker fighter bad for pvp, they cant deal good dmg, so dder with 2h sword or axe preferrable (2h sword ideal for fighting archers, but since mages dont have high evade axe is better choice when killing them). And lvl 85 dd fighters has around 3000 dmg or even higher, lol, from what i heard they can easily own every class beside mage, and with mage they can lose only if stun miss and then mage use fear. If stun work, then 1 skill spam-mage dead.

[ToshCrimson]

I don't think fighters need this kinda boost. The mage and fighter are extreme opposites. Mages can easily take down fighters but at the same time the fighter can take down the mage just as easily. If you want more mdef for fighting mages buy Mage killer armor (high spr gears). Trust me they work. Might not be perfect but it is more mdef then you would be getting from your end +9's. Best part of all you don't even have to waste the money +9ing them since you would only use them pvp mages and +9 doesn't add mdef.

[yaseeda]

O.o carrying additional mdef based armor for pvp with mages? lol, i never thought about it, it may actualy work -)))
But for 2 armor sets i need lot of money... Well, i suppose if i really wanna became unbeatable in pvp i shouldnt complain about money. Real power costs a lot, sigh...

[pablin000]

um i know this is off topic, but i completely hate all mages expet those in my frineds list and those who dont abyys keel me behind my back! i dont mind loosing, but wut i do hate is havign a damnbass mages atak me from behind, btw, fighters rock! it dont matter if we dont got an extra m deff, we still creamm mages

[spiritofchaos]

Lol keeping mages the way they are, yet giving the chance for mdef boost in enhancement would make fighters just totally unfair. Although again, mages can compensate for having low def which can easily be made up with enhancement (like you said), its very expensive to do so. Fighters can easily be godly, unlike mages.

Also with the PvP kq, it wouldnt matter, the first point is to try to knock anyone in your way, so u can get ur hands on the invincingle bang hammer.

To me, it depends on the way you look at it. Fighters and Mages are opposites, they have their own strengths, but sometimes i DO feel fighters get the glory...

[ToshCrimson]

O.o carrying additional mdef based armor for pvp with mages? lol, i never thought about it, it may actualy work -)))
But for 2 armor sets i need lot of money... Well, i suppose if i really wanna became unbeatable in pvp i shouldnt complain about money. Real power costs a lot, sigh...
Well it would only coast a lot of money if they where godly (spr end dex) but if you are just getting if for mage killing only spr shouldn't be that expensive. Although if you want to spend the extra money to be a true mage destroyer be my guest.

[BainS-NT]

I'm not saying its easy, there are alot of "Can't touch dis" Mage Killer DD's out there that most mages can't kill
SPR gear is also pretty damn cheap compared to regular godlies, and 600+ SPR makes a hard kill
Either way, its not worth it to complain that mages are weak, mages vs fighter fights will always be the hardest but probobly the funnest too
If you can't kill the fighter after initial 30 seconds, then its a hard fight

[luis-murillo]

Rofl you guys are all wrong.It really does not depend on the Armor being +9 Really Depends on if the mages knows what hes doing.Any mage 60+ can Easily Destroy a fighter with even if the fighter has a Axe +9.Just depends if the mages knows hot to use his skills.Fear is Deadly for Clerics and Fighters.If the mages knows how to use its skills there is no problem.I can easily kill Fighters 6x and some 7x and only lv 64. I have no +9 Gear only +9 GOC Wand.My stats are all messed up so im not even FULL INT mage.Quit complaining and learn how to use your class.Really all it takes is Stratgy with out that your asking for Death.

[sarah_c]

Tanker fighter bad for pvp, they cant deal good dmg, so dder with 2h sword or axe preferrable (2h sword ideal for fighting archers, but since mages dont have high evade axe is better choice when killing them). And lvl 85 dd fighters has around 3000 dmg or even higher, lol, from what i heard they can easily own every class beside mage, and with mage they can lose only if stun miss and then mage use fear. If stun work, then 1 skill spam-mage dead.

Agree Addi :D
Mages can kill same level fighter easily(if ur skilled)
Double fear(14sec I think, I havent logged into my mage for long)
14 sec is long enough if without pots. IF still not dead, stifle the dump(haha xD) fighter. It caused the delay of deva.

Done fighter xD

anyway ^^

[sarah_c]

Fighters cant even lay their fingers on good mages :D

[yaseeda]

Mage cant cast fear if they stunned, so... ^_^
Btw, fear can miss like deva/stun or its 100% hit?

[JANNIJ77]

Sounds to me like you need a lesson in killing mages lol xD

My 62 fighter had no problem eating up 7x and some 8x mages, and most 8x archers ;x, sadly enough, the only class i have problems killing that is higher than me is other fighters, lol.



that is a joke

[JANNIJ77]

i think its the player and the skills ....my fighter can Kill mages (never died from a mage)
....my mage can kill fighters(but then the fighter comes back the most of times, fears cooltime is too long so..mage dies


dont forget that a fighter whith extender can have 6k hp whithout scrolls mage just 3.500-4k whithout scrolls ,if fighter survive fear mage is 100 %dead,stiffle?just dont use skills ,normal hits whith BK axe +9 and crit suit are very strong(all my charackter have godly+9 gears)big proplems whith mages have archer

Ioann warrior lvl89
Ioann mage lvl86
Ioann7 scout lvl82
Outsider paladin lvl79

[Spankle]

Rofl you guys are all wrong.It really does not depend on the Armor being +9

Actually, it does.

If the mages knows how to use its skills there is no problem


There is barely any skill in pvp in this game. If you think there is all i can say is lol...cos its so straightforward. Thus it comes to gear, which defines the outcome of fights between players of average intelligence.

[lifedetestme]

yeah i agree that mages with +9s are over powered...with a good mage a fear and stiffle = kill if that doesn't work then doulble fear...fighter has no chance if they do not use pot and does not have extenders... even if a mage does not have +9 they can kill fighters before you know what happen. on the other hand if you use pots then fighters are over powered against mages otherwise just using stones then mages have upperhand all the way at high lvl.

[BainS-NT]

lol well since most fighters pot at 85+ and a good fighter will be able to survive fear / stifle comes down to what the mage does after that. I guess double fear works if fighter has bad m.def but I don't max duration on fear.
Stunning sucks, but making sure your always doing damage on the fighter is whats important. A fighter can't pot and spam all his skills at the same time remember that and every second counts.
and those who say there are no skills you probobly can't kill a mage / fighter yourself

[neolancer]

no offense but SOME 70+ mages are weak. once in abyss ShadowFenix attacked my lvl 56 fighter and hit me pretty low with his +9, so i'd have to go with +9's for fighters

[pamiras]

mm.... magic pots FTW~ :3

[devin_nicolai]

Nither would win, Because I would take there gears and then they fail.

[neolancer]

x.x i had a war today...well chain wars and this 7x mage was there attacking me, i almost soloed him but then a cleric appeared and buffed him, along with the pt buffs so i got some distance from him xD

[devin_nicolai]

Ummm off topic? Unless it was a +9 mage and you were a +9 fighter I recommend you stay on topic :3.

[neolancer]

yeah i had a +9 axe ._. so its on topic O:>

[jadedeepfire]

in +9 mages rock :cool: cause they can add all def they want to fighters,the mdef gonna still the same, im happy for that finally something make mages more strong :rolleyes: