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gatinhaa
11-26-2008, 05:38 PM
Sorry guys, but all that i can see in new patchs are changes that favour bully ppls to keep their spam kills abusing of charms and forcing no sparkcash players to not enter in abyss without full party or high lv friends. Or they buy teva or they keep loosing exp. No sparkcash players cant join pvp kq also, since they're getting spam killed by ppls using 50% charm to keep laughing and making them feel like nothing in game.
When i started playing this game, it was really fun, but after new cap all sucks. If we want to solo a lv 8x quest, we cant do without being forced to buy stone carrier, since they made huge evasion and fighters run out of sp before finish quests, mages run out of hp and clerics cant kill nothing. My friend Feanna tried to conplain about these problems and got a bad answer by csr, showing how they despite our opinion and really dont care about the players.
If outspark really want to get money money money, i'll let them my acc with 77k SC since i cant have no sparkcash friends in a "free" stupid game.
And, outspark knows that ppls buy tough pack only to get charm of might, so they never sell it separated - money hungry company :(
And btw, i'm using this space to look for another company who cares about us players

NightRyda
11-26-2008, 05:49 PM
Sorry guys, but all that i can see in new patchs are changes that favour bully ppls to keep their spam kills abusing of charms and forcing no sparkcash players to not enter in abyss without full party or high lv friends. Or they buy teva or they keep loosing exp. No sparkcash players cant join pvp kq also, since they're getting spam killed by ppls using 50% charm to keep laughing and making them feel like nothing in game.
When i started playing this game, it was really fun, but after new cap all sucks. If we want to solo a lv 8x quest, we cant do without being forced to buy stone carrier, since they made huge evasion and fighters run out of sp before finish quests, mages run out of hp and clerics cant kill nothing. My friend Feanna tried to conplain about these problems and got a bad answer by csr, showing how they despite our opinion and really dont care about the players.
If outspark really want to get money money money, i'll let them my acc with 77k SC since i cant have no sparkcash friends in a "free" stupid game.
And, outspark knows that ppls buy tough pack only to get charm of might, so they never sell it separated - money hungry company :(
And btw, i'm using this space to look for another company who cares about us players

You should party...

And i can play pvp kq without sparkcash o.0

gatinhaa
11-26-2008, 05:52 PM
can you? join lv 8x pvp kq and i'll spam kill you with 50% charm so you can know what i'm talking about

Saruin
11-26-2008, 05:53 PM
I'm just waiting for this thread to get flamed by those very same cash shop abusers.

Example:
"No you're stupid you don't need cash shop to play this game."
Yes. Yes you do. Honestly, how many people get past 70 without cash shop? Not very many.

If you want to stand any chance against pvp you have to buy cash shop. And yeah? Those of you who say that if you don't have to pvp? Hello? There's pvp KQs, pvp dungeons, etc. The game is very pvp oriented.

I could go on, but meh. Just like always, nothing will change, Outspark has always done whatever they want (which is nothing).

gatinhaa
11-26-2008, 05:58 PM
Look, if they reduce lv limit in abyss like before, it can be fixed so we can support no sparkcash players grinding in abyss. What can a lv 86 do in lv 7x abyss diferent than pvl some1 or kill other players for fun? they get no exp there. And what's the trouble to cut SC items in pvp kqs so all players can have a chance? BTW, why cant charms be like scrolls, if u dc they keep counting the time of use to force u to spam buy it

mredlodge
11-26-2008, 06:00 PM
next they will tell you to take advantage of the "gift" system.

Now you can pay for the slackers who are not able to use spark cash.

*please don't take this disrespectfully if you don't use spark cash. The only disrespect I intend to hand out is to Outspark...not the people trying to enjoy a once fun free-to-play game.

Nobody can deny with every new patch or hair-brained idea, the game is becoming less playable without the purchase of cash store items.

NightRyda
11-26-2008, 06:00 PM
I do go in 8x kq lol

autarchaurzel
11-26-2008, 09:29 PM
Nobody can deny with every new patch or hair-brained idea, the game is becoming less playable without the purchase of cash store items.

i can agree with you to an extent but i think you're going too far, fiesta is still very playable by people who dont use the cs for huge boosts, personally the only cs items i ever buy are suits and mover, explain what kind of benefit they have that i cant do without? crit on some of the suits? that just means it take me 3 more hits to kill something, faster mover, so i waste a bit of time. I've never bought any sort of charm or extender or w/e except once to try them out, but i've never relied on them, and i'm almost 70 on my cleric. You cant go saying fiesta is impossible without sc, its just more challenging in the PvP aspect, so what? PvP has always been dominated by those with more sc, i dont see why you pick now to complain 0.o

qwerty2135216
11-26-2008, 10:02 PM
Thank you!!!!! finally someone brings that up... i didnt really hav the guts to. im a lvl 71 mage, and trust me, its as hard as hell without cs. guess how many stones i can carry... 67!!!! how the hell can i even do quests with 67 hp stones? this game has forced alot of players to buy cs if they want to keep lvling, and im really getting tired of it. so now this pvp kq is just another way of making people buy cs, and people who dont have cs get totally destroyed. i mean i understand that this game would be p2p without cs buyers, but cmon, give the non-cs a chance! i rarely see a 70+ without cs... maybe 1 out of 50

NightRyda
11-26-2008, 11:34 PM
I played my cleric without sparkcash till lvl 72 and at that time there weren't any repeat quests or abyss to do and had way less hp/sp stones. And even then i only bought exp card and a raccoon.

darthnish
11-26-2008, 11:51 PM
i;ve only bought sc once, that was to get married to a friend , and i;m lvl 78 now..i see no use for sc in lvling only in pvp and as long as they don make a charm that increases aim,my evasion keeps me safe from n00bs with axes in the abyss

mredlodge
11-27-2008, 12:10 AM
i can agree with you to an extent but i think you're going too far, fiesta is still very playable by people who dont use the cs for huge boosts, personally the only cs items i ever buy are suits and mover, explain what kind of benefit they have that i cant do without? crit on some of the suits? that just means it take me 3 more hits to kill something, faster mover, so i waste a bit of time. I've never bought any sort of charm or extender or w/e except once to try them out, but i've never relied on them, and i'm almost 70 on my cleric. You cant go saying fiesta is impossible without sc, its just more challenging in the PvP aspect, so what? PvP has always been dominated by those with more sc, i dont see why you pick now to complain 0.o

I didn't say it was impossible. I did not wait until now to complain. :)

mogul2
11-27-2008, 02:37 AM
Ive played this game since Open Beta and it is becoming where you have to buy SC to enjoy the game. I quit for 6 months because of the lack of content and also how Outspark has created two classes of chars those who buy Spark cash those who get owned and harrassed by those who buy SC.

I have never bought Spark cash and have 70+ on all 4 char types at least... but that does not say i dare to pvp people, i tread lightly when going in abyess cause people harrass those who dont have extenders on which is easy to tell if do or not...

All my chars have +9 equip since I have made money in game to buy them but that only helps so much...

When mages have the ability to ahve 1800+ def at 80+ with SC items there is something wrong..

When a fighter has 8000+ HP and takes a full pt or more to kill him in pvp there is something wrong....

I have no problem with giving advantages to people that have spent real money on the game but the game is just so unbalanced for the SC users it's not fun anymore really... thats the way all free to play games go to in time because of greed....

If i wanted to spend money on game i pay for a monthly fee since all people are equal and is based on your skill not how much money your willing to spend on a game...

The game is just not alot of fun for free players anymore and this is coming from someone that has been here since the beginning of the game...When you have bull headed people that buy Spark cash to harrass players to think there godly or just being jerks....

Most Spark cash people dont abuse there add advantage but there is alot that intend to ruin others game play....

My point is basically they shouldnt have the option/choice or the ability to ruin other gaming....but the Spark Cash shop is set up currently to allow those certain type of people to do just that...

I doubt Outspark will change anything, though I hold out hope....

I will just switch games in time to probally a monthly fee game but would be shame to lose the time i have invested but is coming fastly to that point.

Thank you
good bye

yaseeda
11-27-2008, 03:27 AM
Well, i never used sc although right now i am thinking about buying skill reset scroll, because i wasted 10 points on slice and dice when was noob, but scrolls is all i need (maybe i'll buy wedding application also :D). lvl 70+ hard? yes, lol, but what u expected? we coming close to cap, this lvl SUPPOSED to be hard. And charms/extenders... Well, i agree that in pvp sc users have big advantages over other players, but u still can get full+9 armor and weapon for yourselfs and buy good rings/necklaces. Ya know, NON sc still can own others in pvp, we just need to grind for gold like crazy while sc users just enchance gears for others and get all gold they need, but BECAUSE of that we can buy enchanced goods we need! Charms/extenders could be beaten by regular users, believe me, and such victories gain us fame and titles of true heroes, because "with spark cash i can own everything... Omfg, regular player killed me??" - it happens from time to time.
Strongest - not the one who has more money. Ppl will follow not the one with money, but the one with KNOWLEDGE and SKILL, because only those who have them could beat sc users.

mogul2
11-27-2008, 04:36 AM
Last coment for me on this post I have +9 on all my equip form head to toe on all my chars my lowest char is 72 highest is 85 and thats for all 4 char types....

yes you can lv and do it fairly easy untill 70-75 after that is breeze to 85+...

The point is that people should not be a total differnt class of players just by buying Spark Cash if dont think that is the way it is well lv up some more and then do some Guild wars and go to abyess and see what happens with all your +9 you bought in game they help... but not nearly as much as the SC items people buy.....

those who say well avoid abyess and Guild war....last time i check those are part of the game and supposed to be available to all players and not being harrassed by those who buy alot of Sparck cash items then have no chance of kiling them....

I wish you luck on killing a fighter who has 8k hp and wears charms in pvp just not going happen....Again wish you luck killing a mage who has 6k hp and 1500+ on def just not going happen unless your the fighter mentioned above ....

Can i avoide those ppl yes...

The Point is why should i have too....there in lies the inbalance that the current set up of Spark Cash items allows people to have....

There is 2 classes in this game and is very well known by all that play game.... Those who buy SC items and those who get owned or run form SC ppl...if dont believe so... wait awhile and play some more u will see.....

If is free to Play game all of the enjoyment of the game should be avaible to people like Guild wars and pvp and etc... but its not period....

DF001
11-27-2008, 04:43 AM
Sorry guys, but all that i can see in new patchs are changes that favour bully ppls to keep their spam kills abusing of charms and forcing no sparkcash players to not enter in abyss without full party or high lv friends. Or they buy teva or they keep loosing exp. No sparkcash players cant join pvp kq also, since they're getting spam killed by ppls using 50% charm to keep laughing and making them feel like nothing in game.
When i started playing this game, it was really fun, but after new cap all sucks. If we want to solo a lv 8x quest, we cant do without being forced to buy stone carrier, since they made huge evasion and fighters run out of sp before finish quests, mages run out of hp and clerics cant kill nothing. My friend Feanna tried to conplain about these problems and got a bad answer by csr, showing how they despite our opinion and really dont care about the players.
If outspark really want to get money money money, i'll let them my acc with 77k SC since i cant have no sparkcash friends in a "free" stupid game.
And, outspark knows that ppls buy tough pack only to get charm of might, so they never sell it separated - money hungry company :(
And btw, i'm using this space to look for another company who cares about us players

i not understand.

btw, no one is forcing you to do nothing, andi i like how you bashed outspark. bad move~

borednl
11-27-2008, 05:54 AM
Here is my stance: Spark Cash items that give other players advantages in pvp ruins the pvp gameplay for many. Since the PVP aspects of the game are essential to enjoying the game for many, this is a major problem.

Here is a solution: Fiesta should sell coffee mugs, t-shirts, and other such items. They can still sell things like extenders, but make them go on pause in PVP situations such as in abyss, pvp areas, or during wars. An essential part of this though is to make participating in wars an option which can be changed after the creation of the guild. Many of the larger guilds are already being unfairly harassed from the no outside healing fiasco.

Here is my interim solution: Poke fun at people who are using extenders. If someone with extenders/charms on kills you in PVP and tries to gloat, simply tell them "you're using extenders.. wow.. look at you.. you're so 'tough.' You just beat someone who didn't spend money to PVP.. Do you want a cookie?" Then they cuss and swear and threaten you. And then you can have a chuckle at their ignorance and move on. Also another part of an interim solution is to go to abyss while you still have non-repeat quests instead of waiting till afterwards. If someone with charms and extenders is on a rampage in abyss, then go do your quests instead and come back to abyss later.

The important thing for you to realize is that their gloats really are meaningless and you have the power to make them see this as well. When they feel dumb.. They're the one's out of their spark cash. The EXP loss I get from taunting abyss PK'ers (who are wearing SC items) is well worth it. I just go AOE a few times and get the EXP back.

BlackDragonEX
11-27-2008, 09:14 AM
borednl nice idea's but outspark dont care about us non SC paying,players they just care about ones who pay. But outspark wont do anthing about all this complaining they will just ignore it like they allways do. they only way we can show them how bad they are making this game is by actualy not playing,like a strike from fiesta lol. if enough players did that and lots of spark cash players stoped buying spark cash then and only then outspark would begin to notice how much money they arnt making any more and they might,and only might concider actualy doing somthing towards helping this. And as borednl said if they just stopped SC items from being used in pvp battle grounds and Kq's it would help Non Sc paying players to have more of a fair game play. a lv89 fighter with charms just is more a less unstopable against a lv89 fighter with no charms or exstender. I hope outspark read this(But i know they wont) and concider some of the ideas some people have thought of,Which outspark should have though of :)

ishbabboon
11-27-2008, 09:25 AM
Sorry guys, but all that i can see in new patchs are changes that favour bully ppls to keep their spam kills abusing of charms and forcing no sparkcash players to not enter in abyss without full party or high lv friends. Or they buy teva or they keep loosing exp. No sparkcash players cant join pvp kq also, since they're getting spam killed by ppls using 50% charm to keep laughing and making them feel like nothing in game.
When i started playing this game, it was really fun, but after new cap all sucks. If we want to solo a lv 8x quest, we cant do without being forced to buy stone carrier, since they made huge evasion and fighters run out of sp before finish quests, mages run out of hp and clerics cant kill nothing. My friend Feanna tried to conplain about these problems and got a bad answer by csr, showing how they despite our opinion and really dont care about the players.
If outspark really want to get money money money, i'll let them my acc with 77k SC since i cant have no sparkcash friends in a "free" stupid game.
And, outspark knows that ppls buy tough pack only to get charm of might, so they never sell it separated - money hungry company :(
And btw, i'm using this space to look for another company who cares about us players
i no exactly how you feel even though i use sc now i used to not have it i just got and i feel your pain.

autarchaurzel
11-27-2008, 09:42 AM
well unfortunately, the fact of the matter is, they're paying customers of OS, people who buy sc have payed real money so they're entitled to the bonus, besides its their money they're wasting just so they can feel big in PvP
yes this is a free game, but there's also the option to pay for certain bonuses. if there was an option to buy in game money instead (legally like from the cs) then instead you'd have people in here complaining about how the sc buyers have better enhanced weaponry, well of course they did, they payed for it
like it or not, if you dont pay, you dont get bonuses, is it a free game yes, is it possible to cap without using sc yes, are you expected and pressured to buy sc no. you want to PvP you have to keep up with the cs users since PvP like it or not, is based on the assets of each player, whether its skill equipment or amount of money they spent both in game money and real money

borednl
11-28-2008, 06:59 AM
well unfortunately, the fact of the matter is, they're paying customers of OS, people who buy sc have payed real money so they're entitled to the bonus, besides its their money they're wasting just so they can feel big in PvP
yes this is a free game, but there's also the option to pay for certain bonuses. if there was an option to buy in game money instead (legally like from the cs) then instead you'd have people in here complaining about how the sc buyers have better enhanced weaponry, well of course they did, they payed for it
like it or not, if you dont pay, you dont get bonuses, is it a free game yes, is it possible to cap without using sc yes, are you expected and pressured to buy sc no. you want to PvP you have to keep up with the cs users since PvP like it or not, is based on the assets of each player, whether its skill equipment or amount of money they spent both in game money and real money

I'm guessing you use SC during fights.

Here is my point: This is a game. The point of the game is skill. To press a button to give yourself an advantage over someone else would be called "cheating" if OutSpark didn't charge for it.

xxtakenxx
12-09-2008, 02:35 PM
Lets face it, Fiesta is a young teens game, the outlook, filters, but for some reason, the only way to have any cool stuff or to see the high lvl content u gotta use the CS. Most ppl with jobs are playin WoW. So the majority of ppl stop playin this befor they get to a high of a lvl. Outspark does not care about the players or they would actually fix the spelling errors in this game. So to those who complain, remember its free-to-play AT YOUR OWN RISK. And for those with the chance learn to use CS cuz the games great, but youll need CS. And to Outspark, DONT FORGET THE KIDS WHO CANT USE CS, THEY WANT COOL STUFF TO!!!!!!

saueracker
12-09-2008, 02:59 PM
is it just me or was this thread dead?

DF001
12-09-2008, 03:00 PM
Now tell me, who can't buy SC?

apokolypse
12-09-2008, 03:20 PM
I'm just going to throw this out ther and probably other ppl have said it as well. If this game didn't have its sc buyers then this game wouldnt be free. so no offense.... get over it.

Gilgaeth
12-09-2008, 03:56 PM
lol I used spark cash once long ago for appearances, and so u can say I am a 'no sparkcash user' now. I made 3rd place in the pvp kq 1st time I did it, and I suck at pvp anyways. This sounds like you are mad about something and just trying to rant. Anyways, there are always people that do that kind of thing with games, but that doesnt mean u cant go into places like abyss w/o being killed. As for 8x stuff, I havent gotten that far, so on that I prefer to remain silent.

shane3x
12-09-2008, 04:11 PM
Now tell me, who can't buy SC?

With the changes OS keeps making and with current financial constraints of many I would say a lot.


lol I used spark cash once long ago for appearances, and so u can say I am a 'no sparkcash user' now. I made 3rd place in the pvp kq 1st time I did it, and I suck at pvp anyways. This sounds like you are mad about something and just trying to rant. Anyways, there are always people that do that kind of thing with games, but that doesnt mean u cant go into places like abyss w/o being killed. As for 8x stuff, I havent gotten that far, so on that I prefer to remain silent.

Anyone can win pvp kq, the hammer kills anyone in one hit regardless of how much sc you want to use. There will be times when the players in the kq are really bad/stupid and at other times they will be really good.

He isn't just ranting because he can't get cs, but that the game becomes unplayable/difficult at higher levels without it. As stated before 8x mages get less then 150 hp stones even at the top. Makes it hard for them to quest/train for long without having to restone or buy stone carriers. Which just makes no sense.

unpredictabledeath
12-09-2008, 04:48 PM
i;ve only bought sc once, that was to get married to a friend , and i;m lvl 78 now..i see no use for sc in lvling only in pvp and as long as they don make a charm that increases aim,my evasion keeps me safe from n00bs with axes in the abyss

yeah until you fight someone with a lvl 85 axe lol 85 weapons killed the evasive player

unpredictabledeath
12-09-2008, 04:53 PM
With the changes OS keeps making and with current financial constraints of many I would say a lot.



Anyone can win pvp kq, the hammer kills anyone in one hit regardless of how much sc you want to use. There will be times when the players in the kq are really bad/stupid and at other times they will be really good.

He isn't just ranting because he can't get cs, but that the game becomes unplayable/difficult at higher levels without it. As stated before 8x mages get less then 150 hp stones even at the top. Makes it hard for them to quest/train for long without having to restone or buy stone carriers. Which just makes no sense.

unfortunately pvp kq isnt quite fair mages have lower defense as do archers so when they have the hammer they die faster then say a fighter or a cleric becuase they are easier to kill by players who are not using the hammer where as a fighter survives longer because they have more hp higher def and more stones on top of it they need to rrework characters to balance def and hp when kq starts so everyone is equal in everyway
every person who doesnt buy spark cash now could be a future buyer and it would be a shame to lose money cause they are turned away before they start buying and the game is totally playable other then pvp without sparkcash my mage was my first character and when i started it cap was 59 and there was no spark cash or cash shop at all and its lvl 71 now although i am now a cs abuser when i have the money you dont have to have cs to lvl and play the game really you only need it mostly for pvp :)

TwistedFreak
12-09-2008, 05:53 PM
well unfortunately, the fact of the matter is, they're paying customers of OS, people who buy sc have payed real money so they're entitled to the bonus, besides its their money they're wasting just so they can feel big in PvP
yes this is a free game, but there's also the option to pay for certain bonuses. if there was an option to buy in game money instead (legally like from the cs) then instead you'd have people in here complaining about how the sc buyers have better enhanced weaponry, well of course they did, they payed for it
like it or not, if you dont pay, you dont get bonuses, is it a free game yes, is it possible to cap without using sc yes, are you expected and pressured to buy sc no. you want to PvP you have to keep up with the cs users since PvP like it or not, is based on the assets of each player, whether its skill equipment or amount of money they spent both in game money and real money

regarding bit in bold, we are actually pressured in some ways to buy sparkcash esspesially since we are bombarded in game with notices about "new something added, go adobt this" not to mention with every update one main thing advertised is the new cs items most announcments made a sc orrientated so yes peopel can feel pressured into buying sparckcash.

by no means am i saying sparkcash is bad i use spark cash i buy iron hourse storage pack and eyes/miles and suits [mainly black tux] (never have and never will use extenders/charms) i just wish prices on the items i buy where reduced, i cant afford like alot of cs user to spend hordes of money on the game, however i am good with money and can buy maybe $40 a month this said i am now lvl 84 fighter and when cap is raised and i get 90 i would like to enhance my 1h sword and shield .

where it stands now to buy just 1 stack of eyes/miles t4 that will get me anywhere from +0-3/4 in one stack from 4-6 in another after that on t3 alot of the time has taken 2more stacks to get to +9 so 4 stacks at least to +9 a t4 item t4 eyes/miles = 7100sc (*** why make it that hig mainly why take it over the $10 by that = only 7000sc) so in end $40 if i am lucky would only get my wep to +9 no rider to tux no storage pack.

dont get me wron i like sc i just hate the insane prices on certain stuff. as for pvp element charmed ppl are 9/10 always gonna beat ya in pvp, pvp is a test of skill yes but its like a swords man trying to take on a guy with a machine gun (swordsman none sc guy with gun cs) whos gonna win?

i am waffling on to much time for bed XD

leekid
12-09-2008, 06:21 PM
all i gotta say about this is, FIESTA IS GANA SUUCCKK! :P
haha, no offense to you people who play this game and spend your life savings on it :D

Ciocolajs
12-09-2008, 07:42 PM
life savings? lol wth you can easily controll yourself from buying sc nowdays on the looks of the items at the store XD (meaning not worth the sc) less people buying sc nowdays anyways. And with this issue. I think the best would be to change it back 30-39-40-49 etc. But its not OS fault right?(remembering OnS are the ones) All OS can do is send the message ;D

NLWarrior
12-09-2008, 10:34 PM
I use sparkcash but I don't bully ppl to make them out of abby. Actually, I got killed by the others D:

Bullying you or not is the person's personality and you can not change that. But I do agree, most of them are charm users.

link82650
12-09-2008, 10:53 PM
i will be that 1 in 70 to get to lvl 89 with out sc >.> i mean yea my gf had to buy soem for me but tahst so we could get married XD and wahst 5% to stats XD really lols idk if that counts but if you use charms and what not :/ your a cheater in my book and play teh game with out cheats first >.<

buntd
12-09-2008, 11:16 PM
i guess they want money.. but i think too much
or at least.. without thinking about players..

bringing players into the game, and keeping them playing.. will bring more money than force ppl to spend more sparkcash..

because this game is getting expensive.. and like only a 1/4 wana play that much..

now spending $5 on sparkcash isnt enough, more like $50-100..
but some people spend that a month..

link82650
12-09-2008, 11:38 PM
i guess they want money.. but i think too much
or at least.. without thinking about players..

bringing players into the game, and keeping them playing.. will bring more money than force ppl to spend more sparkcash..

because this game is getting expensive.. and like only a 1/4 wana play that much..

now spending $5 on sparkcash isnt enough, more like $50-100..
but some people spend that a month..

my friend spends 500-800 on spark cash a month O_O -.- and he dont give me any what a ****

TwistedFreak
12-10-2008, 02:44 AM
my friend spends 500-800 on spark cash a month O_O -.- and he dont give me any what a ****


lmao tell him to gift you something or face getting no christmas pressies XP

Ryokosha
12-10-2008, 02:52 AM
I don't really get all this complaining. I'm a person that never liked PVP. Already when Abyss was introduced I never went there because it was for PVP. I never bought any spark cash. I never went into PVP Battle Fields or KQs. I never played solo. And yes I enjoyed Fiesta a lot. So I can't agree that you can't enjoy it without CS. I agree that CS gives advantage in PVP, though.

shane3x
12-10-2008, 03:07 AM
I don't really get all this complaining. I'm a person that never liked PVP. Already when Abyss was introduced I never went there because it was for PVP. I never bought any spark cash. I never went into PVP Battle Fields or KQs. I never played solo. And yes I enjoyed Fiesta a lot. So I can't agree that you can't enjoy it without CS. I agree that CS gives advantage in PVP, though.

This will probably depend on what level you are.

Don't you think it's a bit odd enchanters at the cap have less then 100 hp stones (stone carrier is the sc solution) or that to make a decent amount of money by vending (at say 40+ 5 spaces is not enough) you need to use sc to buy more spaces?

Not to mention t3/t4 enhancement is next to impossible (to +X, doesnt have to be +9) without the aid of miles, eyes or nines. Sure the game is enjoyable without sc at all but it does make things more difficult later on, for some its to a point where they can't go on.

Ryokosha
12-10-2008, 06:55 AM
Honestly if I was around level 80ish I wouldn't care so much about leveling anymore. Assuming the players aren't lame "more exp" people and actually did the Gordon KQ, I just would do it once a day, get my 600000 exp (no exp penalty inside KQ) a day and still had my fun.

sirviney
12-10-2008, 07:23 AM
Sorry guys, but all that i can see in new patchs are changes that favour bully ppls to keep their spam kills abusing of charms and forcing no sparkcash players to not enter in abyss without full party or high lv friends. Or they buy teva or they keep loosing exp. No sparkcash players cant join pvp kq also, since they're getting spam killed by ppls using 50% charm to keep laughing and making them feel like nothing in game.
When i started playing this game, it was really fun, but after new cap all sucks. If we want to solo a lv 8x quest, we cant do without being forced to buy stone carrier, since they made huge evasion and fighters run out of sp before finish quests, mages run out of hp and clerics cant kill nothing. My friend Feanna tried to conplain about these problems and got a bad answer by csr, showing how they despite our opinion and really dont care about the players.
If outspark really want to get money money money, i'll let them my acc with 77k SC since i cant have no sparkcash friends in a "free" stupid game.
And, outspark knows that ppls buy tough pack only to get charm of might, so they never sell it separated - money hungry company :(
And btw, i'm using this space to look for another company who cares about us players


Okay, Bye. :rolleyes:

t3nchi
12-10-2008, 07:26 AM
laa...laaa.laaaa ... lol 1st of all 70-89 is gonna be hard.. im capped right now and to be honest i couldve capped without ever using SC. i admit i have charmed before to spend 2 hrs in GHS and gain as much EXP as i could but thats just 2 hrs that wouldve prob lasted a bit longer..charms means u kill faster and on that note i really dnt knwo why ppl waste it in pvp when they could be gaining exp. #2 in pvp .. ive killed charmed players and been killed by them, if u got good gear u can stand up to them depending on thier lvl aswell as for the pvp KQ u dnt need to charm for that alot of ppl do but give me that hammer and your charm dnt mean sh*t !! ive been in a pvp kq where i came in 2nd , the #1 and #3 people werent charming either yet the charmers were way below us in rank. and untop of all that,..outspark IS a business...so they want money and for ppl who willing to give them..OS is willing to make them more powerful for w/e time.

Jhanniss
12-10-2008, 07:27 AM
I have to chuckle at reading about any company that cares about its players. 15 years later, I'm still waiting. You have to understand that business comes first. Hope you weren't holding your breath on that note.

suzuranx
12-10-2008, 07:34 AM
Sparkcash, basically gives power-ups and other benefits to players who pay for it with real money. I say that is a fair argument, but recently Fiesta has gone over the top. By removing level caps, introducing bad lag, bugs and glitches, making the game more and more PvP oriented, they have made bold hints that encourages, if not force, people to buy Sparkcash in order to actually have a decent time playing the game.

A certain event that was suddenly changed from Elderine as its original location to Uruga gained a lot of criticism from players, both Sparkcash h0s (no offense, I grew up with this term) and non-sparkcash users. This caused many vendors and other AFKs to get killed. Instead of an apology, a certain GM pointed out to the upset players :

"Buy Teva if you really don't want to lose exp."

Nice way of apologising for the millions of exp lost and zero items sold. So you see, it has not just infected the system, even the staff are on it, though I guess it's pretty much obvious by now. Whenever I see my friends list..I'm disappointed. They've quit..they've gone to better games.

And I've noticed recently..the lag has gotten significantly worse. My laptop is brand new, I just changed the internet connection router to the best one I could find in the department store a few months ago, so why is it that my mage dies on average 5 times a day with T3 Vitality and Defense scrolls equipped? And my cleric isn't spared either. This lag...is it another of Outspark's subtle hints that we should buy sparkcash so we don't suffer from death caused by lag?

As someone who cannot attain sparkcash (I live in Neptune), I am feeling like a third rate, beaten-down, zero star citizen whenever I get killed in abyss by someone ten levels higher than me with a +9 weapon, critical suit and whatnot. So I don't go to abyss or Free Battle Zone, neither do I participate in PvP KQ, and just to be safe, I am not in any guild because of the h0s who continue beating me down in guild wars (gawd that was such a shame, my guildmates ended up swearing at me..well I just slid into depression).

I have a lot of other points that I could continue to babble on, but I'm tired from ranting, it's hard work, (gimme a soda, yo). In conclusion :

Rule #1 : Fiesta hates non-Sparkcash players and screws them.
Rule #2 : Fiesta hates Sparkcash players, except the screwing isn't as bad.
Rule #3 : Fiesta hates mages and clerics, hence the low HP stones on the paper, and sickly damage on the saint.
Rule #4 : Fiesta loves its servants ; Lag Mistress, Glitch Girl, Bug Beauty, Advertising Ally.
Rule #5 : Fiesta always offers even the most undesirable dish with a smile.
Rule #6 : Your movements, begone they shall.
Rule #7 : Killing people + loss of exp + lots of swearing = over 9000 bonus Jerk Points.
Rule #8 : Axe fighters shall be screwed at level 80s.
Rule #9 : Getting vendors killed is teh epicness, tell them to buy Teva if they cry.
Rule #10 : See Rule #1.

And that's just the start. If I rounded up 5 more people, this list can grow really long. Oh well...anyone got a good game recommendation for me? And one that isn't by Outspark, pl0x.

Phew, ranting is tough. I'm tired @_@ I need a soda, and crackers.

Marck
12-10-2008, 09:28 AM
that outspark keep add patch that increase people that have buy sc is real... and not allow people without sc at mostly of event that not normal in free to play game!
but i still say not real player with no sc can't play this game... i capped DaRkNeSsOfAnGeL with no sc... started use sc on dark at lvl89 for helga raids & capping kanaria with no sc started by lvl1 after a few weeks than dark cap!
and with kanaria with eqp 6x not even+9 i can arrive in first 3 in kq pvp with people charmed spam killing archers/mages squishy!

zues8844
12-10-2008, 09:33 AM
Sorry guys, but all that i can see in new patchs are changes that favour bully ppls to keep their spam kills abusing of charms and forcing no sparkcash players to not enter in abyss without full party or high lv friends. Or they buy teva or they keep loosing exp. No sparkcash players cant join pvp kq also, since they're getting spam killed by ppls using 50% charm to keep laughing and making them feel like nothing in game.
When i started playing this game, it was really fun, but after new cap all sucks. If we want to solo a lv 8x quest, we cant do without being forced to buy stone carrier, since they made huge evasion and fighters run out of sp before finish quests, mages run out of hp and clerics cant kill nothing. My friend Feanna tried to conplain about these problems and got a bad answer by csr, showing how they despite our opinion and really dont care about the players.
If outspark really want to get money money money, i'll let them my acc with 77k SC since i cant have no sparkcash friends in a "free" stupid game.
And, outspark knows that ppls buy tough pack only to get charm of might, so they never sell it separated - money hungry company :(
And btw, i'm using this space to look for another company who cares about us players

Congratz, you just got your and your friends accounts banned.

DF001
12-10-2008, 09:33 AM
With the changes OS keeps making and with current financial constraints of many I would say a lot.


Umm..some months ago I had enough for 300K+ SC

beastphantomz
12-10-2008, 10:31 AM
Congratz, you just got your and your friends accounts banned.

Do u have better things to do rather then point fingers on someone's typing mistake (which i believe coz of her emotional madness). Ur action endanger the player herself. What a blackhearted!!

DF001
12-10-2008, 10:51 AM
Do u have better things to do rather then point fingers on someone's typing mistake (which i believe coz of her emotional madness). Ur action endanger the player herself. What a blackhearted!!

No, zues is doing what is right. He didn't make fun of any typo. Don't start flames wars >.>

Jhanniss
12-10-2008, 11:03 AM
Do u have better things to do rather then point fingers on someone's typing mistake (which i believe coz of her emotional madness). Ur action endanger the player herself. What a blackhearted!!


Since you didn't read the actual post. I'll make it a little more obvious on what they were responding to...

This is taken from the original first post, now pay close attention ok? I've managed to make it easier for you to see and understand (don't want you to miss it...)



If outspark really want to get money money money, i'll let them my acc with 77k SC since i cant have no sparkcash friends in a "free" stupid game.


This what we call "account sharing", and this is what they were responding to in according to having an account banned. Sharing of one's account beyond yourself is considered a violation of TOS and is bannable if caught doing such.

Feel free to re-read it if needing more time to understand the reply.

beastphantomz
12-10-2008, 11:08 AM
No, zues is doing what is right. He didn't make fun of any typo. Don't start flames wars >.>

Yes he didnt make fun, coz i also know the impact. But pointing something from the statement is creating an attraction. Futhermore, its just a simply emotional statement, which i believe, never done yet, but the way he said is like execution of punishment. <.<

Tamahiki
12-10-2008, 11:53 AM
Just a friendly reminder here to all that we should plz remain from flaming...its starting to rear its ugly head as we type so be courteous in what you say plz.

beastphantomz
12-10-2008, 11:54 AM
Since you didn't read the actual post. I'll make it a little more obvious on what they were responding to...

This is taken from the original first post, now pay close attention ok? I've managed to make it easier for you to see and understand (don't want you to miss it...)




This what we call "account sharing", and this is what they were responding to in according to having an account banned. Sharing of one's account beyond yourself is considered a violation of TOS and is bannable if caught doing such.

Feel free to re-read it if needing more time to understand the reply.

Are u sure that she already did that?? Im not blind ok. Like i said she just simply put the statement. And thank you, i know well the ToS. But i wanna ask u that are u sure she already did that?

KateeHellen
12-10-2008, 12:09 PM
Zeus and Jhanniss...
After i reread this particular post i rather assume that this was directed to Outspark not as declaration of willingness to give up account to other player.
I known that this is a matter of clear semantic but honestly i have fellings that you two are too quick jump at such conclusion.
*Sigh...* This community is at downfall and such cases do not help to reducing collateral damages from OS "updates"...

DF001
12-10-2008, 01:31 PM
Are u sure that she already did that?? Im not blind ok. Like i said she just simply put the statement. And thank you, i know well the ToS. But i wanna ask u that are u sure she already did that?

Zues is a GUY

beastphantomz
12-11-2008, 12:36 AM
Zues is a GUY

I well known that Zeus is a guy, dude, thanks. What i mean about'she' is directed to Gatinhaa, not Zeus, ok. So i dont think its proper to tell me something that i already aware of, coz its just wasting time. Thanks.

Ciocolajs
12-11-2008, 08:51 AM
Michael jacksson !

beastphantomz
12-11-2008, 10:10 AM
Michael jacksson !

Lol..last siggy more awesome Cioco ^^

sirviney
12-11-2008, 10:21 AM
Do u have better things to do rather then point fingers on someone's typing mistake (which i believe coz of her emotional madness). Ur action endanger the player herself. What a blackhearted!!

Oh yes, such a heart break. :Tear, Tear: :rolleyes:

Ciocolajs
12-11-2008, 10:25 AM
Lol..last siggy more awesome Cioco ^^


the mexican pedo? xD

beastphantomz
12-11-2008, 10:40 AM
the mexican pedo? xD

Yeah lol..its cute!!!!

DF001
12-11-2008, 10:41 AM
Zues may kill you for mispelling his name.

Tamahiki
12-11-2008, 12:34 PM
Or he might turn you into a zombie...an ozzy zombie ._.;;

black_fox38
09-12-2009, 06:36 PM
for u people that r so upset bout the sc (pg 1) i agree that u get bored as heck leveling without a exp card etc. but u can get free sc through surveys and also doesnt EVERY company have some sort of membership cash store etc. that requires usually minimum 5$??? Y u people get so hyped up about it sc is just a luxury in the game to help u get better faster NOT a nessesity if u dont like how slow things r going take a quick survey and get enough sc for watever u want to buy

GM_Nekopon
09-12-2009, 06:48 PM
Closing ultra necro thread.