Why does everyone kill the really low levels?

[seniorita_kirstey91]

When I'am in pvp and someone like a level 15 or below comes in i see people kill them :mad: why :confused: even when i go on my lower levels i have to have one of my high level friends with me so i dont get killed. :( I also hate when people like level 15 will come and kill me when im on my level 5. I think people do this for the feeling of strength for being able to kill someone in one or two hits. Im wondering who agrees and maybe tell of a time you saw this happen? And i ask one thing PLEASE dont do this, for it is really annoying. :) I'm just trying to make pvp a better place for lower levels unless they say its okay dont do it and especially dont if they ask you to stop.


Thanks for reading,
Shinning_Star66

Trying to make Fiesta better for everyone ^^

[linkin_park1]

Lol i see where your comming from. But i kill the low lvls when they go to pvp just because I like to see how much damage I hit on them. Or when I crit the hell out them and my the damage is over like 30k.. Thats why I kill noobs.

[kuda_kufog]

watch when you get higher pvp is not relly there anymore ppl will concern themselves with lvling not killing the noobs trust me i know i have 7x clericand no one ever fights in abyss cus ppl are too busy trying to farm mats fot skills and to lvl, just remem that 15mil exp is no laughing matter cus when ppl die in abyss to other ppl wars start like that , but that goes for all abyss

[Mizuko85]

And i ask one thing PLEASE dont do this, for it is really annoying. :)

I might consider that, but other players won't;) PvP= Free Battle Zone, means you're free to kill anyone, no matter he's/she's afk/was dueling/low level/hold grudges and such.

PvP zone also like: THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAA~~!! (In case you watch the 300 movie:D)

[big_blade]

I enjoy killing noobs, because all those really high lvls seem to just be able to rip me to shreds... so ripping others to shreds makes lvl 26 not feel quite so noobish... i believe that pretty much sums my answer up. Also, in lvl 20 abyss i do it to those lvl 15ish people who come in because its supposed to be 20+, not 15+, and i try to tell them that but they just dont take the hint... which angers me... so i kill dem more :D

[xephi_xvi]

I absolutely HATE the high levels who kill the poor confused noobs in the abyss.

It's happened to me SO many times that I never even want to go in there anymore!

They just spoil peoples fun and think they're so tough JUST because they are a high lvl.

I really don't like the fact that in the abyss you can kill people, and when you die, exp is lost!

I think outspark should change it to being safe because, pvp is for killing people, not the abyss!

Again I must say I hate high lvls who kills noobs! >:(

[kiwioyster]

watch when you get higher pvp is not relly there anymore ppl will concern themselves with lvling not killing the noobs trust me i know i have 7x clericand no one ever fights in abyss cus ppl are too busy trying to farm mats fot skills and to lvl, just remem that 15mil exp is no laughing matter cus when ppl die in abyss to other ppl wars start like that , but that goes for all abyss

u kidding?! high lvl abyss is violent as hell! i get attack 4 no reason by lvl40s, and if i kill them, they bring all their guildies and gang bash me >_>

and i think ppl kill low lvls in abyss becuz the low lvls dont below there. i hear alot of ppl saying "go back to ur own abyss noob!"

[hikaichi]

Well, it depends where you are. For Abyss, its because people generally think that you are "stealing their territory". Well, personally, I dont really like low levels hanging in a level way higher than them, becuase it really limits the other character's place where we can level if we are soloing, however, i dont attack them unless they start annoying me. And for PvP arenas, well, as said, PvP arenas are free for all areas, and some people do like to take advantage of that, but then again, some people love duelling other people who are of a higher level then them(with the added charms and etc..) And yes, low levels do become a target for those higher levels because it makes them feel superior or for some other reasons. And again, low level people who go to PvP areanas go there for a variety of reasons, if you are there just to chill, then go to one corner and shout in the shoutbox to chill? Well depending on various things you want to do in PvP areanas, there are different ways to get around it, without being getting killed too much >.>

[loosie_goosie]

Cause you can..

1 Hit Wonders is what I call them .. ROFL

The Goose

[whatever1234567]

Because people dislike the fact that it used to take 2-3 months to get one char to 60 if you tried hard now that plvling has gotten to an insane lvl people who used to actually work for there lvls are PO and i can't say i disagree with them. I know a guy that got from 1-60 in 9 days -_-

KILL ALL PEOPLE IN A ABYSS THATS HIGHER LEVEL THEN THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

I only kill the people in the Abysses cause I feel as though they are tresspassing on my territory xD ex if a level 60 comes into the 70 abyss. Then I kill them if they get in my way. It dosnt matter to me if the 60 got to the spot first I kill them ._. Even the clerics I can ussually get ;D

[Dragonkillerz5]

I think its really mean. Pretend a lvl 40 gets killed by a lvl 70. Then a lvl 10 comes in, the lvl 40 sees the lvl 10, and takes out his anger on the poor lvl 10. Sometimes that happens, and I think that is very ridiculous.

[Dragonkillerz5]

@Big Blade

So you kill noobs just to take out your anger? >.>

[charisteas3]

because of showing them>im the boss here<
or testing their damage

[Dthugtherealist]

Alright I think its wrong on all accounts cuz people go to peacefully train. Just yesterday me and my crew went into the 60 abyss and yes I'm the right lvl 63 and so was my crew we were on the other side of the room just peacefully training then a mage comes to KS us with nova while doing damage to use being the highest lvl in the group I retaliated. Then their lvl 70X friend thats their comes to fight us and so does a 50X fighter in the group already there's two people that are not suppose to be their they couldn't kill my cleric friend no matter how hard they tried then she brought her 70X friend over a mage and it was over and they left us alone. I think people are too ****y in the 60 they "room claim" all the time I don't like having to fight over rooms. They should seriously take out losing exp from getting killed by people. I think its thoroughly retarded. I also think that every abyss should have like 5 floors. I went into the 70 that same day it was no prob their was almost no one their and I tried to stay from people I bumped into TheElriond but since I've talked to him before it was straight he didn't attack me or anything I ran from Arfimus tho lol he was coming at me with a +9 axe and I was naw I don't wanna die so I lost him.

[Lythari]

People kill low levels because they are easy targets and can't fight back. And such people suck infinitely in my book.

[Whitepeaks]

I enjoy killing noobs, because all those really high lvls seem to just be able to rip me to shreds... so ripping others to shreds makes lvl 26 not feel quite so noobish... i believe that pretty much sums my answer up. Also, in lvl 20 abyss i do it to those lvl 15ish people who come in because its supposed to be 20+, not 15+, and i try to tell them that but they just dont take the hint... which angers me... so i kill dem more :D

Dude this game made for everyone to play and play as how they please, a lvl 15 want to go to lvl 20 abyss to train that is their chose, you have no right over that. Only the GM have to right to control that.

[southyp]

A lvl 15 is allowed into abyss. You're right. But pvp was intentionally allowed in abyss as well.

It's usually a matter of a player killing a lower-lvl'd player to feel like they're stronger but sometimes other things. Abyss can sometimes get crowded (especially when AoEing groups or singles pull entire rooms). People sometimes fight for spots, and obviously, the weaklings are the first ones to go. I don't support this kind of behavior but it happens. And then there are those who want the lower lvls to "go back to their own abysses".

And then there are those that are just annoyed at the spammed party requests that could potentially distract you. I've even had much-lower lvls try to ks and steal my drops because I wouldn't pt them (I generally mob solo anyway). I've never killed anybody in abyss for that reason but I see that happening as well.

[Shaden]

Dude this game made for everyone to play and play as how they please, a lvl 15 want to go to lvl 20 abyss to train that is their chose, you have no right over that. Only the GM have to right to control that.

Sure, they can play how they please. Wanna know something funny about your argument? It works for both sides. He wants to play by killing others as he pleases, and the opposite for the other guy.

What's the solution with two conflicting problems as such?

Well, drama and hatred. Or, the one dying sucks it up and goes somewhere else for a bit. PK'ers generally don't stick around forever if people leave the zone because then they have nothing to do.

So yeah, a lv15 can choose to go to the former 20-29 Abyss, but will probably be killed without a second thought. Maybe they should wait until they are able to defend themselves before venturing in a Player vs. Player territory map?

Bah, that'd be foolish right? Walk into battle untrained is what the wise ones say... or wait... no.

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

<-- kills lower levels ^.^

PvP = Don't Like to die?

1) Level~

or

2) Get out~

Harsh but true :3 no ones going to stop killing lower levels and those who normally ask me to stop end up dying again =-= but it's not like im going to spawn kill you till your forced out xD thats just wrong o= though i have to admit hitting 10 lower levels with 1 aoe and watching them die at once is funny to me o.o

[laady]

I think it's due to one of two things: They're afraid to actually fight someone stronger and/or they're such silly, weak people in real life that they need to beat up on lower levels in games like this to feel as if they're worth anyone's time. :rolleyes:

[Shadowfiend]

I absolutely HATE the high levels who kill the poor confused noobs in the abyss.

It's happened to me SO many times that I never even want to go in there anymore!

They just spoil peoples fun and think they're so tough JUST because they are a high lvl.

I really don't like the fact that in the abyss you can kill people, and when you die, exp is lost!

I think outspark should change it to being safe because, pvp is for killing people, not the abyss!

Again I must say I hate high lvls who kills noobs! >:(
God people who say "Remove pvp in Abyss" are seriously getting on my nerves ..... Hey why not ask OS to make a map with mobs that give 1 billion exp and drop tons of stuff? Thats basicly what your saying. And just a reminder to YOU, this thread is not about ABYSS its about FBZ..

[UzumakiW]

Easy hits, boredom, or the fact they like the feeling of killing someone, even if they are way lower.

Those are my guesses. I personally don't attack people who don't attack me, except for in the PvP KQ. I don't find any fun in killing lower levels. No challenge to it.

[draco1223]

imo get rid of the exp los to pvp kills, but replace it with a 2 min pvp debuff that lowers stats by 5-10% till its gone. annoying yes but way better than exp loss

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

people want to win, and lower lvl people are the best targets for that, its simple human nature. some people want to feel real strong, without doing all the work needed to get to capped lvl, so they enter lvl restricted abysses and repeatedly kill those that cant fight back. sad, but true

[chester17]

Easy

Cos they are weak themself, n they cannot kill someone higher or same lvl as them
so they kill those weaker
to made themself feel happy.

[ptpmiscool]

we kill lower lvls becuzz ur all winey asking for more exp from monsters and no pvp in abyss when the higher lvls who played way b4 had it harder most of u r babys

[bravo101company]

ok here is my thought if i am in my abyss ie 80-89 and i see a 5x 6x in there or lower yea i am going to kill them as if there isnt enough mobs there as it is.........everyone know what lvl each abyss is why not do us all a favor and stay there or prepare to die either or AND DONT GET MAD WHEN U DIE BC REMEMBER IT IS PVP ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK

[Zaiks]

There should be level restrictment on the free battlezone in roumen. LvL 1-10 or 1-20. The FBZ's in Eldy and Uru is enough space for the high levels. I don't like being killed by high level people in FBZ's, and especially not abysses. I don't kill lower levels in abyss, but in FBZ's I do.

[Spankle]

People kill low levels because they are easy targets and can't fight back. And such people suck infinitely in my book.

Nicely said

<-- kills lower levels ^.^

PvP = Don't Like to die?

1) Level~

or

2) Get out~

Harsh but true :3 no ones going to stop killing lower levels and those who normally ask me to stop end up dying again =-= but it's not like im going to spawn kill you till your forced out xD thats just wrong o= though i have to admit hitting 10 lower levels with 1 aoe and watching them die at once is funny to me o.o


i thought better of u :/

To answer the question it usually comes down to...
1) they get an ego boost from it, despite the fact it has no merit.
2) they like to feel in control, often because they lack it in other areas.
3) they have a history of pvp abuse and their way of dealing with it is doing the same to others
4) they lack the ability to understand how it could annoy the other person, ie cant put themselves in their shoes

In essence, they have issues lol. I've already had this debate before and it goes nowhere, its a moral perspective.

[quirinus01]

yeah i guess you're right it is unfair. i mean i try to level on my own. even going as far as w8ing to get to a higher level just to finish a quest on my own. but still, when i see people killing others in abyss, especially when they do it to newly respwned characters, i just have to strike back for them. plus, there was this 1 time when i was doing nothing and some1 just hit me from the back after i passed her by. 1 more time, someone killed a lower mage then turned around to kill me. that sucker was in for a surprise. the freaking archer ran away from me and left the abyss..

HA!!!! TAKE THAT ANTI-NOOB!!! I BEAT YA WHILE I'M STILL IN MY FIRST WEEK OF GAMING!!! LVL 28 MAN!!!! HA!!!!!!!! or am i in my second week.... hehehe

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

ok here is my thought if i am in my abyss ie 80-89 and i see a 5x 6x in there or lower yea i am going to kill them as if there isnt enough mobs there as it is.........everyone know what lvl each abyss is why not do us all a favor and stay there or prepare to die either or AND DONT GET MAD WHEN U DIE BC REMEMBER IT IS PVP ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK

lol, if a 5x 6x enter 80-89 abyss, id rather watch them try and fail to get past the mobs evade, considering i only hit 1/4 times about with a bk axe...besides, whod wanna fight for that abyss anyways ><

and in terms of lower lvls entering higher lvl abysses, i dont mind unless it begins to get really crowded, since a 6x can grind in either 6x abyss and 7x abyss, but a 7x cannot go back to 6x abyss if they need exp

[MizzHottie]

ok agree with most this but one thing took place in my chateracters abys spawn killing -.- should be limit to guy hiting player after matter of times and player saying stop ..top off guy comes to lower abys to kills over and over... -.-

[JANNIJ77]

my opinion: they kill lowlevels because they cant kill same lvl or higher

[Hemmes]

How about: You dont want to use stones and hp (money) so you pick battles that dont last forever...

Besides, if anyone under lvl 20 enters the abyss idd say kill him! It is the 20-30 abyss. The fact that you CAN join it at lower lvl doesnt mean its any different ^_^

Im against spawn killing, but apart from that...its still the abyss, you can kill anything that walks! (or sits down or is shroomed or anything)

[ssjbroly98]

i hate the abbyss because i worked hard on lvling and some lvl 50 killed me in lvl 30 abbyss:mad:............but its ok because i used buffs and killed him lol;)

[fireyair]

i hate the abbyss because i worked hard on lvling and some lvl 50 killed me in lvl 30 abbyss:mad:............but its ok because i used buffs and killed him lol;)

you killed a lvl 50 when you were 3x? thats bull and you know it, you cant even hit them




Peace:cool:

[Lety23]

It's easier to get kill points. they most likely won't have to use stones or anything; kill points, this way, are free.

There are people that if you ask them not to kill you, they won't.

[whatever1234567]

you killed a lvl 50 when you were 3x? thats bull and you know it, you cant even hit them




Peace:cool:

Thats bull and you know it
Its called a T3 aim scroll learn a thing or too >>. While its unlikly its possible.
SOmthing kinda funny i was soloing in lvl 30 abyss on my archer alt and then a see this blue shroom shop. I was like ***? who is Dumn enough to afk in a abyss so i used my DoTs and killed his overpriced shop :D :D :D :D :D D: :D :D :D :D :D :D
He was lvl 62 btw

[Shaden]

-yawn- I've killed level 50 Fighters on my lv36 Fighters (pimped with set gears, +9'd) using a t1 aim scroll. A lot of common Fighter's are fools and regard DEX on items a useless stat for some reason. With a ZK Axe (incr. base aim), t1 Aim, Roumen Rings (20dex), roughly 80 Dex on gear (total added), Perf. Robo Earrings (1% total aim) - hitting a level 40-50~ isn't going to be too much of a problem.

Of course, this is a highly pimped out Fighter.

The average Fighter would only kill an AFK lv50.

[gothalls]

ok i kill high lvls/ low lvls i kill all why because i can with 2k defence and 2.5 magic offence hehehehe

in abyss i tend get 5 on me i tend to still win and these hard core guys so i steal all there buffy lol

lvl 83 mage

[saru_watari]

Cause it's really, really fun ;D

[Lety23]

Thats bull and you know it
Its called a T3 aim scroll learn a thing or too >>. While its unlikly its possible.
SOmthing kinda funny i was soloing in lvl 30 abyss on my archer alt and then a see this blue shroom shop. I was like ***? who is Dumn enough to afk in a abyss so i used my DoTs and killed his overpriced shop :D :D :D :D :D D: :D :D :D :D :D :D
He was lvl 62 btw

Ha, funny.

People do set up shops in abyss, quite...clever if you think about it. It's not "dumm". People level in abyss. Instead of going all the way back to towns, it's covenient to have a shop there to check out first. Who knows, maybe there's something there that you're looking for; you won't even have to leave abyss and can go right back to leveling.

[whatever1234567]

Ha, funny.

People do set up shops in abyss, quite...clever if you think about it. It's not "dumm". People level in abyss. Instead of going all the way back to towns, it's covenient to have a shop there to check out first. Who knows, maybe there's something there that you're looking for; you won't even have to leave abyss and can go right back to leveling.

Yea if they wanted to do that they should just make a shop in FP. All he had was T1 scrolls and some T2 aim scrolls and they were really expensive.

[Lety23]

Yea if they wanted to do that they should just make a shop in FP. All he had was T1 scrolls and some T2 aim scrolls and they were really expensive.

Good point.
Still, I see no reason for killing the person.

[neolancer]

the only reason high lvls kill low lvls is because when they fight someone their lvl they die like little squishies. i've even seen 7x fighters drop by 6x ones so now those 7x fighters gun for my fighters lvl (5x)

[zerlo]

i hate the abbyss because i worked hard on lvling and some lvl 50 killed me in lvl 30 abbyss:mad:............but its ok because i used buffs and killed him lol;)

You are joking right? level 5x go in level 30 abyss?level limit is 30 to 46 now if you dont mind nad you kill them using buff?I dont think so...no offence.

[terran_marine]

The only reason i would ever strike a character 10lv. lower or more than me is if THEY were the ones doing the low lvl killing. Which is EXTREMELY Moronic when they have their lvl 8x age friends come in there and kill me when they were killing low lvls firsts -.-

[serenitystar7]

I don't have a problum with PvP, but i do have a problum with someone attacking you when you not doing anything to them.I go to the abyss to get monsters and I collect the items the monsters drop to sell fo silver,I never attack anyone in the abyss and I rarely go into the FBZ but I can be minding my own bisness and someone will come up and attack me (and by the way I always stay in my own lv of abyss unless i'm partyed with someome who takes me to a higher one),I don't attack people unless they attack me first. There was this one time we(me and my party)were just trying to get past the entrance,and this one guy wouldn't leave us alone,even after his friend(who was in my party)told him to stop, he'd just on everyone but her,it took awile to get back the exp I lost,and the thing about it was, is except for the entrance it wasn't that crowded, they were just doing it cuase they could,I don't think it's fair,he could have at least stoped when she asked.

[solarwings]

I don't kill the low lvls. It's usually me getting killed < < o_o

[Sesshomaru]

Only reason i would kill someone that much lower is to show that they shouldn't be in pvp zone yet xP

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

Cause it's really, really fun ;D

LOL i agree =D

[neolancer]

well sometimes i have seen low lvls attack a high lvl in abyss when they were just sitting. mainly ranged chars (archers & mages) do it.

[mynameisbobnotk]

The only reason i would think that people kill lower levels is to rack up the kill points...or they like being a jerk.

I was in FBZ1 yesterday and a low level mage was trying to leave, one mage kept killing him so he could not leave.
I said to myself...If he does it one more time...I'll kill him.
Lucky for him the lower level was able to get out.

[zues8844]

One of them mocked my mansuit, so I slaughtered him and his companion.

[mynameisbobnotk]

One of them mocked my mansuit, so I slaughtered him and his companion.

May the Thong live on.

[neolancer]

wow what an intersting convo xD. but i wanna know why some people kill lower lvls then when a higher lvl comes and kills them they complain or so "don't make me get on my main"

[angelblaze100]

wow what an intersting convo xD. but i wanna know why some people kill lower lvls then when a higher lvl comes and kills them they complain or so "don't make me get on my main"

i once entered a pvp area and hit someone by accident he came over killed me........then i laughed my butt off when he got pwned by the holy dragon!!! I think its cause your raining on there parade plus they are IDIOTS id curse but gms wouldnt let me.......below ive put a second paragraph about how it is to be a mage

We mages are sooo easy to kill..........our pvp spells suck we are DIRT poor (remember we have to spam health stone and pots!) in fact i cant even afford my lvl 20 equip!!! THATS RIGHT!!!! Im still wearing chest armor from lvl 5!!!!! And when mages complain about being underpowered we get crap from the non mages saying "but you get aoe!!!" IDIOTS THAT AOE DOES LIKE 5 DAMAGE!!!!!!! Plus you gotta go through hell to get it!!! and you know unless we have cleric hp buff we arent as good as you non mages think (in pvp or otherwise) i havent been in pvp for 15 lvls for a reason (sure i was lvl 6 BUT STILL!!!) the reason is cause my alt cleric has 2x my def.........at half my lvl:mad::mad::mad::(:(:( they say the point to being a mage is to kill the enemy before he reaches u.......how the hell r u supposed to do that (im an int spr build so i KNOW) can i gets a witness here????!!!! REALLY an ANT could kill our behinds!!!!!!! we could get backslapped and start crying like babies XD REALLY!!!! AND NO ONE GIVE ME THAT AOE CRAP OKAY????:mad::mad::mad:

[neolancer]

ok mages aren't easy to kill....well not that easy. we fighters have low mdef, you guys have high mdmg so cast fear and a barrage of skills and we drop pretty fast

[ilovepink]

lmao. Well im a high lvl. And ill admit i love pwning low lvls idk...its an instict but i promise im fixing that XD Its just...they r so squishy ^^ no offence :D Dont wry happens to everyone in low lvls. I say go bak to pvp around lvl 40's xD

[devin_nicolai]

1) Its fun
2) It shows them there place
3) Its fun watching them complain "why?" " noob stop111" " il war u"
4) Cause its really annoying when you see like lv 1's walking into a pvp

[neolancer]

i got into a war because some 57 fighter killed me and he had extenders, t3s, charms, etc so i called my guildie for help so we killed him and his cleric pal that was with him and they warred us

[devin_nicolai]

Ummm goo for you?

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

The only reason i would think that people kill lower levels is to rack up the kill points...or they like being a jerk.

I was in FBZ1 yesterday and a low level mage was trying to leave, one mage kept killing him so he could not leave.
I said to myself...If he does it one more time...I'll kill him.
Lucky for him the lower level was able to get out.

o.O considered harassment xD bannable offense btw last i checked you dont get KP's for FBZ1 else i'd have oh...over 1m at this rate...

[mynameisbobnotk]

Yea...I noticed that you get no kill points.

But i didnt think to get screenshots so i could report him...I guess he got away this time.

[laady]

1) Its fun
2) It shows them there place
3) Its fun watching them complain "why?" " noob stop111" " il war u"
4) Cause its really annoying when you see like lv 1's walking into a pvp

...You misspelled about every other word in your post...and pick on new players for fun...so what gives you the right to show someone else "there" place in an online game? When people behave that way, it's pretty indicative of their place in real life -- the bottom.

If a level one walks into an area he probably shouldn't be in, why not just exercise some intelligence and kindness and whisper him to let him know? He probably doesn't know what's going on, heck I didn't, that's what made me avoid the area, I didn't know what it was. Some people are more curious and want to take a peek and smacking them around because your ego is fragile is a great way to send potential long time players off to other games.

I'd be surprised if the higher levels who do this had enough skill to take on players their own level, I really would. I've watched such players run around laughing at lower levels, smacking them around, and then run like chickens when pursued by someone on their level. It's funny when they start actually yelling at their attacker to stop, too, because they don't listen to anything their weaker victims ask for so there's no reason to listen to them either. If you can't fight your peers, don't fight at all, you're not getting any points out of it.

[zues8844]

Quite frankly, it's a game. It's not like he killed your cousin.

Is it nice of him to PK noobs? No.

Is it allowed? Yes.

Does it actually hurt anyone in a lasting way? No.

Idk..........most of you people think you're so mature, defending the new people's "rights"..........it's a game. Just a simple, stupid, game. Can we not realize that?

[neolancer]

[QUOTE=zues8844;1476556]Quite frankly, it's a game. It's not like he killed your cousin.

Is it nice of him to PK noobs? No.

Is it allowed? Yes.

Does it actually hurt anyone in a lasting way? No.

QUOTE]

i disagree, actually it does hurt them. a new player doesn't even know what to do gets killed by a higher lvl person just because he can't defend himself

[gleeok]

Firstly, Fiesta is getting boring for high lvl.ed players. It's all fun till where you have to grind like crazy. For example, lvl56, lvl58, lvl59, lvl 64, lvl67, lvl69 and so on.....They have nothing to do really unless they find a party. They only go to fbz because they're bored. If they know how to lvl fast and gain profits from loots, they wouldn't be going to abyss/fbz to kill ppl.

[mermer]

well low lvls go in abyss and pvp zones but the question is WHY? when u are 1-20 lvl ur quests are very easy u make a lvl by killing monsters one by one in like 10 mins so why they are goin there? in abyss they can't kill monsters and in fbz they can't kill anyone :O :O ...so they are "killing themselves going there"

[markmadmark]

I know its on and kinda off the subject...but wouldnt it be cool if there was an option when you click on abbyss to turn on pvp and turn off pvp? Im not a pvp person how ever i am tank and i kill all those who hit me with a skill. Im full +9 complete full blue set armors and max stat end str dex gears. Other than that i just go to abbyss for mats. Pvp just makes this game no fun at all for those who are trying to level and such......Baboon lv65 fighter hates my archer btw hes 4 levels higher than me and cant kill me. ~mark1977~

[FearMySouthernAccent]

I know its on and kinda off the subject...but wouldnt it be cool if there was an option when you click on abbyss to turn on pvp and turn off pvp? Im not a pvp person how ever i am tank and i kill all those who hit me with a skill. Im full +9 complete full blue set armors and max stat end str dex gears. Other than that i just go to abbyss for mats. Pvp just makes this game no fun at all for those who are trying to level and such......Baboon lv65 fighter hates my archer btw hes 4 levels higher than me and cant kill me. ~mark1977~

That would just completely defeat the purpose of abyss then. It'd be way too overcrowded because people would flock there for the extra exp and drops. The PvP function sort of keeps the population from skyrocketing, if you can put it that way. ;0

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I don't attack noobs in FBZ unless they attack me. They are opening themselves to a duel with me, so...what am I to do? XD

As for abyss, I only kill the noobs that are just annoying me with party invites and spamming "plvl plez" at me. Seriously, the 5x abyss is no place for a 2x to be. If they can't take "No" for an answer when they want me to plvl them, then I guess I just have to get rid of them by other means..

[karvaj]

Why they do PK? cuz they can't take a fight with their own levels. I don't know why its so good have such a high points of kill, worth nothing really.. title are bugged so it wont give any.

[penguinkool]

o.O considered harassment xD bannable offense btw last i checked you dont get KP's for FBZ1 else i'd have oh...over 1m at this rate...

1.) it's deffinitely not harrassment in the abyss because the login invincible buff gives anyone enough time to exit safely after being killed just once. Therefore you can't technically have harassment because anyone who gets killed a second or third time knows and fully accepts the risks of being in a PvP field. FBZ is different and honestly after getting killed XXX amount of times the simple thing to do is ask to leave and start taking screenies. If your assailant(s) don't comply with your request then they are fully subject to the ToS and should be banned, period.

2.) Kill points don't count in FBZ and saying that you'd have 1m by now is as ridiculous as me bragging about my abyss kills in the 2X abyss... I kill people up to 26 levels lower than me, a capped player in FBZ has the ability to kill people up to 88 levels lower than them.

Why they do PK? cuz they can't take a fight with their own levels. I don't know why its so good have such a high points of kill, worth nothing really.. title are bugged so it wont give any.

I do believe I can take anyone at my own level, and to prove that I'll stay in the 2X abyss until I decide to make for lvl 46 XD. By staying in the abyss I am guaranteed the opportunity to fight with people of my own level (36ish). What you're saying is that I can't take anybody that might want to enter the 3X abyss, which is more than accurate and I accept that.

[twilightcho]

chances are, if you are a lowbie and getting constantly pwned its because when you cry after you get killed it just fuels the hunter to do it again because its making you suffer, someone did put that its human nature to prey on the weak and its true.. i'm not saying its right but its just how things are, and really if the GM's / Dev's didn't view it the same way don't you think they would have done something about it? i mean they put lvl caps on certain areas that didn't have a lvl cap previously to avoid lowbies from venturing into areas they shouldn't be in...

so really imo if lowbies are tired of getting wiped.. get friends, get a party, and go lvl, take revenge and stop complaining about it!!! My cleric used to get pk'd a lot and ks'd a lot, but guess what, i just made a list and when i see those people out of pvp areas or even in kq's they start begging for buffs or rev's and wonder why i deny them. Needless to say my death count drastically decreased and to be honest everytime i've gone into lvl 50 abyss i havent gotten pk'd once, everyone was too busy training to worry about pking anyone...

then again it might just be epith..

my gf plays on bijou and says she has to deal with people ksing and pking for fun and the ones who are doing it just laugh and say "i do it cause i can" and nothing gets done about it to any of them so if it really becomes an issue and you aren't above lvl 20 just change servers..

[neerk]

chances are, if you are a lowbie and getting constantly pwned its because when you cry after you get killed it just fuels the hunter to do it again because its making you suffer, someone did put that its human nature to prey on the weak and its true.. i'm not saying its right but its just how things are, and really if the GM's / Dev's didn't view it the same way don't you think they would have done something about it? i mean they put lvl caps on certain areas that didn't have a lvl cap previously to avoid lowbies from venturing into areas they shouldn't be in...

so really imo if lowbies are tired of getting wiped.. get friends, get a party, and go lvl, take revenge and stop complaining about it!!! My cleric used to get pk'd a lot and ks'd a lot, but guess what, i just made a list and when i see those people out of pvp areas or even in kq's they start begging for buffs or rev's and wonder why i deny them. Needless to say my death count drastically decreased and to be honest everytime i've gone into lvl 50 abyss i havent gotten pk'd once, everyone was too busy training to worry about pking anyone...

then again it might just be epith..

my gf plays on bijou and says she has to deal with people ksing and pking for fun and the ones who are doing it just laugh and say "i do it cause i can" and nothing gets done about it to any of them so if it really becomes an issue and you aren't above lvl 20 just change servers..

EXACLY, good point, stop ya winging and do something about it, or leave

[karvaj]

I do believe I can take anyone at my own level, and to prove that I'll stay in the 2X abyss until I decide to make for lvl 46 XD. By staying in the abyss I am guaranteed the opportunity to fight with people of my own level (36ish). What you're saying is that I can't take anybody that might want to enter the 3X abyss, which is more than accurate and I accept that.

Lmfao? I didn't said you cant take "anybody" but your scared to fight, why is it fun killing lower levels?cuz they cant hit back?What if you catch a lower level which has a high level char?your domed then bro.

[penguinkool]

Lmfao? I didn't said you cant take "anybody" but your scared to fight, why is it fun killing lower levels?cuz they cant hit back?What if you catch a lower level which has a high level char?your domed then bro.

I'm not going to argue the notion that one can be "scared" to enter a fight in which there is no possibility of victory in an online game, simply why should I accept those terms when Outspark has expressly protected me from impossible situations like that? (ie. you cant enter my abyss, and I can't really get to uruga to enter yours).

Yes I derive pleasure from hunting around in the abyss once in a while, call it my Wednesday afternoon and Saturday morning entertainment. It's something I can do when I have a hangover and since I don't care for grinding, I don't feel the need to ever leave my favored map.

Yes they can hit back, and most of the time they do.

I am constantly catching lower levels that supposedly have higher level alts. I don't care; period. Your imaginary lvl 80 fighter can't enter my abyss so it is a mute factor. Not only that, you know how many times I've seen people say: "my capped lvl 82 fighter can pwn you stupid noob," do you really think they have a capped level 82 character?

No I'm not doomed, the worst that can happen to me is my character will suffer a temporary defeat. At which point Ill just respawn, restone, and probably log off because I don't really care. The higher leveled characters will never affect my game play because they can't come to my abyss :D.

[mysweetescape]

I kill in the Abyss because it's a PvP Zone.

And really, since you mention a lvl 15 in the 2x Abyss...
I see these lvl 1x running around like maniacs getting killed by a Phino when they attacked it in the first place. Maybe I've never entered the Abyss at lvl 15 so I'm missing a point, but what's the point of attacking one and running around because it's chasing you, expecting others to kill it, and when they do, you call them ksers. ._.;

Oops, I'm getting away from the point.

Abyss is a PvP Zone, and you as a player know that. If you don't, then well, now you do. When you enter, it is a risk you seem to be willing to take. You don't wanna get killed? Get out of the PvP Zone and get a party and quest. Quests give you a lot of exp and good rewards. Of course Abyss does too, but nowadays in the 2x Abyss of likely, any server, if you don't have a pty that can overcome lvl 3xs... You're likely going to lose more exp than gain.

And... Dx
If you play on Apoline (I say this because I don't know about the other servers :d), lvl 2x under and have been in the Abyss atleast once... you should know that you're gonna get keeled if there are 3x 'guarding' the front. >_< My Archer gets pwned... My Mage gets pwned... O.o Okay, it's annoying, but lets face it, if killing someone in the Abyss is 'unfair', it wouldn't be a PvP Zone in the first place.

[mikeandamina]

I don't really see it fun in any way to kill lower levels, I've done it once repetivley and it was BORING never done it again.

[mysweetescape]

I reeeealllyyyyy hate main threateners.
Abyss = Pvp Area
You're taking the risk to die when you enter!!! Beware~~!!!! >:D
The End. o.o

[cabbitdos]

I hate that... I guess depending on the killer's level, they would kill you or they won't. Like, the farther they are from your level, the more likely they'll kill you. The closer they are, the less. I went to one place, the one at Forest Perimeter (lv.40+). I was there at level 17. People there were around level 30-45. I asked them not to kill me because I wanted to explore the place (I like to search the PvP areas, and places I haven't been to, which is hard, because I don't know how to get there). They gladly respected my asking. I became friends with about two of them...
Anyway, I'm a level 23 High Cleric right now, and I went to the one that was lv.50+. I immediately said, "Please dont kill me, I'm trying to ex--" And I was dead. I lost 400 exp. I returned to the beginning of the area. "I said don't kill me, I'm a--" And I was dead again. And by the same group of people! I quickly found out by one girl, a lv.6x fighter, that everyone was extremely high leveled. Luckily, she partied me and guided me around the place. I left her party afterward, and I ran a way AROUND the big people who 1shot me earlier from before. I said "LEAVE ME ALONE"!!! I reappeared at the entrance, where they killed me 3 extra times. I TRIED to leave, but before I could, I was dead.
So, is it just me, or is that the lower leveled High Leveled (like 25-40) people understand you more, or is it that every chance they get, HighLeveled (like 35-++) will kill a noob?
I NEED ANSWERS! START A BRIGADE AND STOP THIS MADNESS!

Love and due respect,

CabbitDos the Cleric, lv.26
black_cabbit the Cleric, lv.23
white_cabbit the Archer, lv.4

[A_geezy]

I hate that... I guess depending on the killer's level, they would kill you or they won't. Like, the farther they are from your level, the more likely they'll kill you. The closer they are, the less. I went to one place, the one at Forest Perimeter (lv.40+). I was there at level 17. People there were around level 30-45. I asked them not to kill me because I wanted to explore the place (I like to search the PvP areas, and places I haven't been to, which is hard, because I don't know how to get there). They gladly respected my asking. I became friends with about two of them...
Anyway, I'm a level 23 High Cleric right now, and I went to the one that was lv.50+. I immediately said, "Please dont kill me, I'm trying to ex--" And I was dead. I lost 400 exp. I returned to the beginning of the area. "I said don't kill me, I'm a--" And I was dead again. And by the same group of people! I quickly found out by one girl, a lv.6x fighter, that everyone was extremely high leveled. Luckily, she partied me and guided me around the place. I left her party afterward, and I ran a way AROUND the big people who 1shot me earlier from before. I said "LEAVE ME ALONE"!!! I reappeared at the entrance, where they killed me 3 extra times. I TRIED to leave, but before I could, I was dead.
So, is it just me, or is that the lower leveled High Leveled (like 25-40) people understand you more, or is it that every chance they get, HighLeveled (like 35-++) will kill a noob?
I NEED ANSWERS! START A BRIGADE AND STOP THIS MADNESS!

Love and due respect,


well cabitdos... it looks like you had to learn the hard way about the abyss PvP system... it's unfortunate that it cost you several thousand exp, but that's life. Why will people kill weaker characters? because they can. Some actually derive pleasure from it, others do it following some radical belief that they must stop those who pleasure themselves by preying on the weak.

In the end it doesn't really matter, Fiesta is a game. If it's fun for you then play it, if not I suggest you take a week or two to gather your thoughts and then write a brief, succinct letter stating your opinions as backed by observations and leave it at that.

One thing people seem to be forgetting is that this was a Korean MMO, and like most other Korean games it is based on PvE grindfests... when you try and translate that into a more American PvP culture, you get some problems that look like this:

1.) one class is far superior (overpowered) to the others
2.) you have to be at a higher level to enjoy PvP (but not PvE... this is fun at any level)
3.) you will find meanies who take advantage of those first two, they'll run around slaughtering everything they can.

Anyways, hope that helps everyone understand why "everyone kills the really low levels."

[Flibbe]

I personally don't kill low levels but I don't think they should be in there, the same applies to the higher levels. The only reason I don't kill the low levels is because I can't kill the high ones either ._. I like being fair.

Anyway, I agree with all who say it's a PvP zone, anything goes. If you can't possibly defend yourself and you don't want to be killed, don't go.

=/ I hope they bring back the old 20-29 level limits soon.

[KungFuHobo]

If you ask me alot of people kill the lower levels because they didnt like the patch...

The abyss just provided free p lvls and that just urks some people, im one of them.

I dont kill every noob I see though lol (although...the day they came out with a patch that is where i got my first 31 kill points)


Does anybody know the pain of this patch... all i can hear now isnt "hello" it isnt "hey could you show me how to do ___" no all i see spammed across the academy chat is "P lvl me in 6-7x abyss or i am LEAVING THE ACADEMY! ! ! NO GUILD BUFFS FOR YOU!!!"

[mysweetescape]

Lol I've never seen an academy with people saying 'PLVL ME YOU NOOB GUILD MEMBERS'

I see a ton of people asking for plvls straight in the abyss, where you can get killed.

And guess what?

They spam it.

Chances are, s/he is going to get killed.

[mehe20]

It gets boring, its waaaaay to easy.

[yanno]

yeh i like goin to abyss to lvl my noobs...but theirs always some cake that wants to slaughter you..i think ppl should ask if you want to pvp..some noobs have not much isya money and have scrolls ect that just get wiped out when they get killed so yeh...ive kept a ouple of chars at a lvl that i can go in an sort out any bullies if i have to..lol..and in alot of cases the hunter becomes the hunted xD ..um yeh i slaughter the slaughterer who then abuses me for doing wat they had just done to me with...oh yeh i usaully warn them....but...falls on def ears..and then they meet my fiighter lol..ever heard that qoute meet my fighter lol xP...beware the noob you think is your lab rat xD

[kryptic-]

for the heck of it, because i can

[luv2chat1992]

Regardless of level, if you don't want to be killed by other players, then I have a great idea for you. Don't go into PVP areas.
There are other ways to level then the abyss.

[mehe20]

Regardless of level, if you don't want to be killed by other players, then I have a great idea for you. Don't go into PVP areas.
There are other ways to level then the abyss.

It's called-Why do people Kill low levels? Not-Lets remove abyss forever!!!!

Your try to understand is PhA1L.

[painleica]

D: ppl kill lower lvls in bz1 cause they are JERKS D:
they dont have nottin better to do so they pick on the lower lvls D;
>_> i know i felt ya pain... >_< i was one of them >.> i got killed 23 times in bz1 when i was in lvl 14 D; i hated it T.T ppl that kill lower lvls are just bored, mean, or just trying to make u mad DX
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[A_geezy]

In response to the very first post;

Sweetheart, with your level 5? When you enter the FBZ field (which is the only PvP map you can enter at level 5), you start out with an invincible login buff which lasts long enough to see the words in green at the top of the screen, "This Area Enabled For PvP." At this point anybody with a head on their shoulders will understand that they will die. No matter who you are, in PvP eventually you will die.

There are many reasons why higher level characters kill lowbies in the FBZ1 field, to this date I don't know a fighter who has become level 60 and didn't take whirlwind out for a spin against the much much lower leveled players in Roumen's FBZ, and I'm sure the same follows for everyone who receives their high leveled AOE attacks.

As for Abyss killings; I'm sorry that you didn't figure out the first couple times that there are people down there hunting for other players so that they can rack up player kill points. The reason for this is quite simple: we now have a leaderboards for the PK points leaders, this scoreboard can be found Here (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131270).

Outside of those two points, you're asking for a psychological analysis of human beings that can be found, in a slightly different context albiet, by synthesizing the thesis found in a paper written by Sam Vaknin at Psychology of Serial Killers (http://www.drirene.com/psych_killers.htm), and the Jungian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_psychology) shadow concept.

Anyways, that is the answer to the question you asked here Kirsty91, and I wonder who will actually understand all that?

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they dont have nottin better to do

umm... yeah, that's why everyone sits down in front of a computer and plays games, because there is nothing higher on the priority list of things to do (ie. nothing better to do). So, once again, please explain how having nothing to do with one's time indicates a jerk who kills low levels?

[DF001]

I'll give an answer that all players that I PK'd would like to hear.

I get bullied in school, so I bully people in abyss.

You know I'm lying, right? Right!?

[A_geezy]

I get bullied in school, so I bully people in abyss.
You know I'm lying, right? Right!?
lol... and, sadly enough, I don't doubt that for a second dfoo.

[idiotinlove]

Well, it depends where you are. For Abyss, its because people generally think that you are "stealing their territory". Well, personally, I dont really like low levels hanging in a level way higher than them, becuase it really limits the other character's place where we can level if we are soloing, however, i dont attack them unless they start annoying me. And for PvP arenas, well, as said, PvP arenas are free for all areas, and some people do like to take advantage of that, but then again, some people love duelling other people who are of a higher level then them(with the added charms and etc..) And yes, low levels do become a target for those higher levels because it makes them feel superior or for some other reasons. And again, low level people who go to PvP areanas go there for a variety of reasons, if you are there just to chill, then go to one corner and shout in the shoutbox to chill? Well depending on various things you want to do in PvP areanas, there are different ways to get around it, without being getting killed too much >.>

well...thats just you
i get killed for walking in the place whee high lvls camp
that god im a cleric
i cast invince and get outta there
but you know Executor?
he follos me....i decided to let him kill me so i can go back to the front and lose him
he targets me
even though im one of the people who obviously go there for the phinos in 2x abyss

[StoveTopGnome]

Lets break this down i went into PvP once at lv29 *Gets Owned* Hmmm guess wat now i know i must lv before entering this place.. Like some others have said its a free for all, so i would say expect all to come down on you if you go in and since i picked to go out and grind more and now ppl dont even try to attk me cuz they already know ill break them in half (Well not all of course) there are some that can kill me or until i get gang bang by a group of ppl LOL <3

[StoveTopGnome]

Oh I also love when i kill someone in PvP and they goto whisper or shout and say things like "im not here to fight" LMAO or ummm "What did i do to you?" WTH are you talking bout are you not aware this is a PvP area, There is a fricking warning at the top of your screen when you go in there "This area is enable for PvP" even says that for abyss maps LOL...
Dont go in there unless you expect to die <3

[omega_cloud9]

Some reasons could be...
~ For a important cause. (like helpin' a friend out.)
~ Bored.
~ They're just straight up jerks, but just remeber... Karma.
~ Enforcing that it is really a Player vs Player zone. And, to help you go lvl your self up in hatred or something lol.

[nique554]

I might consider that, but other players won't;) PvP= Free Battle Zone, means you're free to kill anyone, no matter he's/she's afk/was dueling/low level/hold grudges and such.

PvP zone also like: THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAA~~!! (In case you watch the 300 movie:D)

i agree...and i love 300...all the men in that movie had some nice abs ^_- lol i hope that didnt sound to preverted xD

[Takuya98]

sorta perverted lol
but i kill the lvl 16 newbs that come there they probaly couldnt kill anything with out like 4 other clerics yep saw that happen (It was fun 1v4 them) they got masacured ):)

[keratzoman]

Most likely because they suck in real life/when fighting their own levels.And they think that by killing low levels they are something...I always say *Do you think you are cool now?*when they kill me.Of course when I say * go fight your own level * they just say *^^* and spawn kill in abyss ._..

[linkreally]

PFFT, it needs some netiquette! Like in runescape when you attack the lowest level player/eat food/use potions/etc in the burny pvp place in the karamja volcano, YOU GET PWNED BY EVERYONE. EVERYONE. I didn't know at the time, and i ate a lobster to heal myself before I started, and I didn't last a second. Just cause it's just a game or PvP, doesn't mean it's not unfair.

[DF001]

cuz their the easitest ppl's 2 keel

[Snowman109]

cuz their the easitest ppl's 2 keel


Agreeeeeed

[birdboy1]

When I'am in pvp and someone like a level 15 or below comes in i see people kill them :mad: why :confused: even when i go on my lower levels i have to have one of my high level friends with me so i dont get killed. :( I also hate when people like level 15 will come and kill me when im on my level 5. I think people do this for the feeling of strength for being able to kill someone in one or two hits. Im wondering who agrees and maybe tell of a time you saw this happen? And i ask one thing PLEASE dont do this, for it is really annoying. :) I'm just trying to make pvp a better place for lower levels unless they say its okay dont do it and especially dont if they ask you to stop.


Thanks for reading,
Shinning_Star66

Trying to make Fiesta better for everyone ^^
dont u have to be 10 to get in to abbys

[sps60]

ok...great so im lvl 10 get slaughtered by some warrior in 1 hit. if it takes 2 then his friends help out if it takes 3 or more than some cleric joins in to heal him. but wait now im that lvl warrior and now he's even higher and still axing me to death. it don't matter if its abyss or fbz 1 or a 1000 - it still sucks- these sort of players don't have any respect. my girl is lvl 35 and a 44 told me to prepare to die so i said if you must and she tried and tried and even though i had no chance of winning as long as i had oodles of stones i could keep her at bay. then she has the nerve to tell me im a cheater cuz i have enchanced weapons and extenders...moral of the story...be prepared to die...and hear the babies cry when they don't get their way...lol

[kangawoo]

People like killing low levels because it is a way of upping your pride-I think. My friend says he does it cause he gets a warm fuzzy feeling in his stomach when he kills a noob-He is slightly evil. >=)

[Takuya98]

lol really? i do feel a little fuzzy feeling when i kill a cleric (lvl 24) they put up a good fight( lvl 24 killed me once ...)

[spheris]

I like watching the bodies FLOP >:3

[generaldave]

I think that the most simple answer is that we can and to see the numbers. Big numbers are pretty. People have to remember that it is a free battle zone and we are free to battle whomever we want. If you enter free battle zone, you are doing so with permission to anyone who wants to battle you to do so.

It has nothing to do with pride. If a person is building pride off of killing someone such lower leveled, then they need to re-evaluate themselves. Pride in PVP should be built by killing someone the same lvl or higher than you.