Gm or game programer :new pvp kingdom quest is really bad for archer

[dennispandora]

FOR THIS NEW KINGDOM QUEST, EVEN PVP, ARCHER IS REALLY WEAK(I MEAN FOR SAME LV PVP).
1) HP AND SP STONE IS NOT MUCH ENOUGH
2) NO STUN SKILL FOR NO POWERFUL SKILL AS MAGE
3) M.DEF AND DEF. IS LOW
4) POSION SKILL IS NOT MUCH USEFUL WHEN PVP


HOPEFULLY, PROGRAMER CAN FIX THE BALANCE FOR CHARACTOR. OR NOT, FIGHTER AND MAGE WILL BE ALWAYS THE WINNERS IN PVP OR PVP KINGDOM QUEST.


:mad::mad::o:):D:D

[zipiouch]

I totally agree, but arent there so many threads like this from b4? We cant do anythin. Let's just hope the GMs will hurry up, until then we can only hope D=

[Marine-RX179]

lol I just won my first ever PVP KQ with my Archer with 24 kills and 0 death. You just need to learn how to fight properly in the KQ...namely....hit and run (don't just stand there to take hit like a sitting duck), don't fight an opponent you can't win, try to find the 1 hit KO Giant Hammer from chest, and STAY THE HELL AWAY from the person that got the Giant Hammer.

In my opinion, Mages have it much worse than Archer...they got even less HP and are the prime target on the 'to kill list'. Us Archer got the advantage that Cleric miss their attacks on us a lot with their low aim Hammer.

And remember, it's free for all in this KQ not one on one, so take advantage of that.

[Mizuko85]

PvP KQ basically is for Fighter and cs user to be prank ;)

[Marine-RX179]

PvP KQ basically is for Fighter and cs user to be prank ;)
Not really, it's more about who are lucky enough to get the Giant Hammer. Extenders and Charms are meaningless before the 1 hit KO hammer.

Luck>Extender/Skill>Class

[nishant-rocks]

lmao archer won in my pvp kq lol its bad for mages i ran out of stone in 6 minutes left and fighters are little girls 3 kept teaming up on me fighters never tried to kill each other

[Fre_ak]

lol I just won my first ever PVP KQ with my Archer with 24 kills and 0 death. You just need to learn how to fight properly in the KQ...namely....hit and run (don't just stand there to take hit like a sitting duck), don't fight an opponent you can't win, try to find the 1 hit KO Giant Hammer from chest, and STAY THE HELL AWAY from the person that got the Giant Hammer.

In my opinion, Mages have it much worse than Archer...they got even less HP and are the prime target on the 'to kill list'. Us Archer got the advantage that Cleric miss their attacks on us a lot with their low aim Hammer.

And remember, it's free for all in this KQ not one on one, so take advantage of that.
haha agreed

u should advantage of ur long range type and that u can kite...dont 1on1 (u will probably lose) look for a crowd place and aoe there, hoping for some kills...and follow the hammer holder and jump on him when he is feared or stunned...to get an chance to get the hammer

lol i know its harder then said but thats wat i would do if i was an archer...i found more challenging for archers and mages

[Orchids_Mantis]

fight with honor, and you will be rewarded -with KSes and gang-killing.

Basically, if you want to do well in the KQ (from what I have seen so far), be a weasel. look for people fighting that are getting their rear ends handed to them, steal the kill and then kill the attacker(s).

Archers have their advantages 1) you can still kite (which, lets face it, isn't fair to the meelee fighters, but hey, you were complaining about archers, so let's stick to that) 2) their atacks are ranged (like mages, easier to steal a kill), 3) their attacks can be hard to see at times (whereas you know where the mage shot came from, or where the fighter/cleric are standing)

If you try to fight honorably, going 1 on 1 fights or standing your ground, then yeah, you will be stabbed in the back or have your kill stolen, and the fighter chargin you will slice you into tiny pieces. But hey, this is a PVP KQ, not a challenge to see who is the better PVP player, just some time to see how many other players you can get the last hit on
(I hate this keyboard, the buttons fail to sense when they are being hit half of the time.....)

[Marine-RX179]

fight with honor, and you will be rewarded -with KSes and gang-killing.

Basically, if you want to do well in the KQ (from what I have seen so far), be a weasel. look for people fighting that are getting their rear ends handed to them, steal the kill and then kill the attacker(s).

Archers have their advantages 1) you can still kite (which, lets face it, isn't fair to the meelee fighters, but hey, you were complaining about archers, so let's stick to that) 2) their atacks are ranged (like mages, easier to steal a kill), 3) their attacks can be hard to see at times (whereas you know where the mage shot came from, or where the fighter/cleric are standing)

If you try to fight honorably, going 1 on 1 fights or standing your ground, then yeah, you will be stabbed in the back or have your kill stolen, and the fighter chargin you will slice you into tiny pieces. But hey, this is a PVP KQ, not a challenge to see who is the better PVP player, just some time to see how many other players you can get the last hit on
(I hate this keyboard, the buttons fail to sense when they are being hit half of the time.....)
The way I see it, these new PVP KQs are kinda of like the free for all of the first-person-shooter games. You know what you are getting yourself into by joining it, and you just try to get to the top of the scoreboard by any mean possible (except exploit bug if there are any). At the end of the day, a win is a win, no matter how underhandedly you got it...that's just the nature of how free for all works :D

[dennispandora]

lol I just won my first ever PVP KQ with my Archer with 24 kills and 0 death. You just need to learn how to fight properly in the KQ...namely....hit and run (don't just stand there to take hit like a sitting duck), don't fight an opponent you can't win, try to find the 1 hit KO Giant Hammer from chest, and STAY THE HELL AWAY from the person that got the Giant Hammer.

In my opinion, Mages have it much worse than Archer...they got even less HP and are the prime target on the 'to kill list'. Us Archer got the advantage that Cleric miss their attacks on us a lot with their low aim Hammer.

And remember, it's free for all in this KQ not one on one, so take advantage of that.

^^ but you can't run with power shot and aim shot ^^
don't tell me that you just ks by posion shot and bone shot....

[whatever1234567]

Actually all you guys saying mages have it worse are wrong sure lvl 35-49 we aren't that great but in the second 1 mages own just attack at range always have an ice on hand, and then most important thing....









FEAR FEAR FEAR

[Marine-RX179]

^^ but you can't run with power shot and aim shot ^^
don't tell me that you just ks by posion shot and bone shot....
I hate to say this but I only targeted Mages (sorry mages lol), and yes I killed them with Aim and Power shot (plus 1 or 2 normal shots at times). Let's face it, Archer ain't gonna kill Cleric or End Fighter in normal circumstances :D So to do well in the pvp KQ, it relies greatly on how good/fast you are at real time decisions and risks/opportunities assessment. If you got someone that can kill you chasing you, who you cannot kill...just run! No point fighting back if it's not gonna stop him from killing you. If you keep running, he won't be able to kill you with the 1 or 2 hits that he lands on you only once in a while when he catch up with you (except stun)...eventually he will realize chasing you would be a waste of time, and he'd turn his target to someone else.

[Shaden]

You can rack up 30+ kills easily by picking off other Mages/Archers or low-health players. Nature's Mist is an excellent Kill Stealing tool, run by someone and insta0bang, kill is yours. I have participated in 3 of these so far on my 61 Archer, and got in 4th, 2nd, and 2nd each time respectively, without getting the hammer at all.

I agree with other posters, Mages have it harder imo. However, it is still very easy for anyone to snipe free kills.

Fighters will always have the biggest advantage in PvP with their trillions of upsides - but it certainly isn't only for Fighters.

[Marine-RX179]

You can rack up 30+ kills easily by picking off other Mages/Archers or low-health players. Nature's Mist is an excellent Kill Stealing tool, run by someone and insta0bang, kill is yours. I have participated in 3 of these so far on my 61 Archer, and got in 4th, 2nd, and 2nd each time respectively, without getting the hammer at all.

I agree with other posters, Mages have it harder imo. However, it is still very easy for anyone to snipe free kills.

Fighters will always have the biggest advantage in PvP with their trillions of upsides - but it certainly isn't only for Fighters.
Yea, but it depends on the class balance (the number of each class) in that particular KQ at the time. Imagne only 1-3 Fighters in the KQ and there are many mages...PAY BACK TIME! LOL
Sure 1 on 1 Mage would have difficulty killing a high HP Fighter, but if 2-3 Mages target the fighter at the same time, the fighter's gonna drop so fast since they got low Mdef lol
I mean imagine 3 Mages and 1 Fighter run into each other, who are the mages gonna attack first? Fellow mages or the Fighter that been a pain in the @ss in most KQ? lol

[Andromeda]

Not really, it's more about who are lucky enough to get the Giant Hammer. Extenders and Charms are meaningless before the 1 hit KO hammer.

Luck>Extender/Skill>Class

Uh no see the thing is especially DD fighters they can easily win the KQ without even getting the hammer just like a regular PvP. Fighters can easily win the KQ without even touching the hammer...

They only need to target the Mages and perhaps the Archers and thats all they need to do.

[Marine-RX179]

They only need to target the Mages and perhaps the Archers and thats all they need to do.
That's because too many Archers and Mages do not know how to use their advantage of ranged attacks effectively and keeping their distance, they just 'tank' their opponents/monsters and rely solely on stones/pots. However, being ganged that's a different story, but one on one it's not difficult for a Mage to slow down the moving speed of a fighter with Icebolt/Iceblast and run away.

I think it's just that the KQs are still quite new, so people haven't complete work out what they should do in them, but giving it time, people will come up with better ways for Mages to fight in the KQs (like working with other mages and gang the fighters etc).

[TrueNarutoUzumaki]

An archer nearly got 2nd place in a pvp kq earlier today. She got 8 kills, two deaths, then literally ran around the outside of the stage like it was Robo lmao. I was mad as hell because I was about to get 4th place when someone who only ran got 2nd. But with 30 seconds left, she ran by me, and I killed her and got 2nd place. But I'm really just lucky she decided to run in my direction for whatever reason when she knew I was so ready to kill her. Otherwise she would have won. From what I've seen, Mages and Clerics do worse then archers, and fighters are #1.

[Andromeda]

That's because too many Archers and Mages do not know how to use their advantage of ranged attacks effectively and keeping their distance, they just 'tank' their opponents/monsters and rely solely on stones/pots. However, being ganged that's a different story, but one on one it's not difficult for a Mage to slow down the moving speed of a fighter with Icebolt/Iceblast and run away.

I think it's just that the KQs are still quite new, so people haven't complete work out what they should do in them, but giving it time, people will come up with better ways for Mages to fight in the KQs (like working with other mages and gang the fighters etc).

What would happen if the fighters teamed up on the mages?

For example you have 4 fighters and 4 Mages about to starting destroying each other.

The 4 mages single out one of the fighters. Yeah we know the fighter will die for sure but while the mages are preoccupied with singling out that fighter the other 3 fighters have enough time to move in and make mince meat of the mages...

[autarchaurzel]

clerics have the biggest problem with this kq: their buffs and heals are irrelevant when you dont have the hammer, when you do have it you cant heal (can you and it was just me that had that problem?) and you dont have a ranged attack to keep away from the hammer wielder like dds, or a stun like fighters, basically if you want the hammer, the cleric has to be prepared for a quick death.

as for archers, i played a pvp kq and an archer won with about 31 kills

[Andromeda]

clerics have the biggest problem with this kq: their buffs and heals are irrelevant when you dont have the hammer, when you do have it you cant heal (can you and it was just me that had that problem?) and you dont have a ranged attack to keep away from the hammer wielder like dds, or a stun like fighters, basically if you want the hammer, the cleric has to be prepared for a quick death.

as for archers, i played a pvp kq and an archer won with about 31 kills

I couldnt agree any more with this post. You pretty much summed up what I was thinking. Which is why Id put clerics at the top of the list in terms of the hardest class to win this KQ with (Mages 3rd, Archers 2nd and Fighters first)

[Naomi89]

I played with my archer, and she isn't my main so I'm not as accustomed or extremely trained in using her as sometimes I spend large amounts of time of not using her. But I never ran out of stones and I managed to kill 19 people (and I never had the hammer) I came 6th
I really enjoyed that kq, I thought it was so much fun :) The only prob is that it's only once every 4 hours and it is so hard to get in.

[Marine-RX179]

What would happen if the fighters teamed up on the mages?

For example you have 4 fighters and 4 Mages about to starting destroying each other.

The 4 mages single out one of the fighters. Yeah we know the fighter will die for sure but while the mages are preoccupied with singling out that fighter the other 3 fighters have enough time to move in and make mince meat of the mages...
You have clearly skipped reading one of my previous posts where I said 'depending on the class balance of that particular KQ'. If you were the one and only Fighter in the KQ, you would be just as easy to die as being the one and only Mage in the KQ. Also, Fighter can't kill a mage that keep running and use stones and pots, unless he can stun him...that's disadvantage of melee comparing to long range.

[Andromeda]

You have clearly skipped reading one of my previous posts where I said 'depending on the class balance of that particular KQ'. If you were the one and only Fighter in the KQ, you would be just as easy to die as being the one and only Mage in the KQ. Also, Fighter can't kill a mage that keep running and use stones and pots, unless he can stun him...that's disadvantage of melee comparing to long range.

Perhaps but in a way its like saying if an Archer or Mage used CS items they would have the advantage due to imbalance but if you give the fighter the same CS items it balances itself out. Im putting in simple facts here if we had the exact amount of people for each class in the KQ we know what would happen. We know your scenario does happen but given the event everything is fair in terms of the same amount of character classes joining the KQ we know Fighters are superior in almost everyway. They have the best skills available out of any class for PvP combat. Im not saying any other class wont win against a fighter but given the great skills fighters possess and they have overall the best stat growth in the game its easy to see why fighters overall make the best PvPers.

I've been in your scenario before but just not in a PvP KQ but infact a Mara KQ. I was the only fighter in the entire KQ the rest were Mages and clerics so I was forced to tank that KQ pretty much.

[NightRyda]

I couldnt agree any more with this post. You pretty much summed up what I was thinking. Which is why Id put clerics at the top of the list in terms of the hardest class to win this KQ with (Mages 3rd, Archers 2nd and Fighters first)

Clerics are easy to win this kq. I say mages are the hardest.

[Andromeda]

Clerics are easy to win this kq. I say mages are the hardest.

Well that is your opinion and my opinion was that they are the hardest.

Clerics only hope of getting kills in the KQ is by getting the hammer since they have the lowest ATP and fewest attack skills of any class. But I can see where you are coming from sorta...

Clerics are a pain in the rear end to kill though. For example if I'm in the Abyss and a cleric comes up and attacks me I usually just stun and run. Other classes I will usually attack them directly until they either die or I die.

So as a cleric best to get alot of practice in that KQ of getting the hammer before the other classes can sometimes can be random though...

[NightRyda]

Well that is your opinion and my opinion was that they are the hardest.

Clerics only hope of getting kills in the KQ is by getting the hammer since they have the lowest ATP and fewest attack skills of any class. But I can see where you are coming from sorta...

Clerics are a pain in the rear end to kill though. For example if I'm in the Abyss and a cleric comes up and attacks me I usually just stun and run. Other classes I will usually attack them directly until they either die or I die.

So as a cleric best to get alot of practice in that KQ of getting the hammer before the other classes can sometimes can be random though...

Yeah hammer is the only way i can kill and be killed except when there's lots of fighters chasing after me.

[Tsuguayme]

lmao archer won in my pvp kq lol its bad for mages i ran out of stone in 6 minutes left and fighters are little girls 3 kept teaming up on me fighters never tried to kill each other

Maybe they made a plan and were all in on it. Sneaky widdle girls. So innocent looking... yet so EEEEEEEVIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

[robRENEGADE]

i could not kill anything except die with my cleric - hey lets gang up on the cleric!

[Marine-RX179]

i could not kill anything except die with my cleric - hey lets gang up on the cleric!
Things will turn for the better when you get to the level 55-69 PVP KQ. I don't even bother fighting Cleric most of the time, because it's just so damn hard to kill them with them buffed themselves and spamming heal, cause Archer don't have many high damage attack skills. As for Mages, they would be too busy running for their lives most of the time and if they can attack you, you heal yourself faster their spells do damage on you...so the only one you have to look out for are Fighters with their stun, and avoid crowded area to reduce the chance of being ganged :D Ah, and of course, look out for the person with the huge hammer XD

[zerozone01]

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[whatever1234567]

People need to stop saying its worse for mages >> i'm only 67 i've gotten 1st place my first time and my second and third tome i got 2nd losing only to SCing fighters. I can't imagine how bad its gonna be to fight me after i stiffle. End mage ftw >:D

[dennispandora]

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man, your archer lvl 85. That mean your skill poit almost are 555, and also you have learned all skill. No wonder you can ks so many ^^

[zerozone01]

man, your archer lvl 85. That mean your skill poit almost are 555, and also you have learned all skill. No wonder you can ks so many ^^

Fyi i dont get any new skills... bedies piercing and nature speed>.>// nah my stats aitn that high...

LEvel 85 is....HELL i hate bk weapons

[dennispandora]

^^ archer can't solo when pvp. (not pvp kq). Pvp=> fighters world

[evieevie]

another problem is the fact you have say lvl75 going up against players that are well into lvl80 how is this fair? They have more power more skills better everything lol

[serrik]

lol i so agree but really i AGREE but o well we might have to wait or we might have no to go to the kq but i have idea! maibe u can ks other ppl and get kills