Omg Im So Pissed At Clerics Right Now

[mikybee93]

So, i was in KQ with my lvl 16, full end fighter, and all these clerics were trying to tank, and doing alright, nobody was dying or anything. So we had gone left at the last circle thing not right, and all these clerics RUSH to the boss, TRY AND TANK HIM!!! I GOT SO PISSED!!! I ended up using snearing kick, it killed me cuz all the clerics were trying to attack it, i got back up after SHOUTING at them to heal me, DIED AGAIN and got transported to town... i HATE cler-ankers. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH SOME PEOPLE THICK SKULLZ!!! CLERICS ARE TO HEAL DURING THE BOSS FIGHT!!!

Omg im pissed off, that was the last KQ too, and i need to kill the king, while im lvl 16....

[Semaj]

ok man, if thats the case just let them die. dont sacrifice yourself. i tank all the time in KQ, but i WATCH and take care of my party members. just because there's a lot of nube clerics who dont know what their doing, dont say you hate tank clerics, you just havnt partied with a good one yet. ;)
but ya, there seems to be a lot of people complaining about this lately, chalk it up to people who dont know how to play that class and havnt bothered learning anything about it.

[Tamlinari]

Heal, Revive and cast Invincible.
I like to hang back and cast Heal and Invincible on the Fighters Archers and Mages and let them do damage.
And only take on mobs only if they gang mob the fighters.
But quite frankly most players don't understand that a Cleric is not really a Fighter.
They think a Cleric is just a cool Fighter that can cast and heal themselves.
Some goofs posted some threads that make the assertion that a Cleric is the toughest and best character and will "own" any other character in a PVP.
So of course now everyone wants to be a Cleric / Tank so of course the roll of a Cleric in parties has almost been completely eclipsed by the desire to be a brutal battle Cleric.
In my opinion you should not recruit Clerics for support in parties that have almost twice as much HP as they do SP because those players have built their Cleric to act as a tank and you are not likely to get very much support from them (if any) in a party.
Just my opinion.
:D

[Semaj]

agree, though at lv28 i only have 100 more sp than hp, but thats so i can tank when needed and not die (and invincible is only so usefull), i also solo a lot.
i agree, there's a lot of people misplaying clerics, but thats why every party should have 2 clerics. thats usually how my guild does it when we party, 2 clerics, 1 or 2 fighters, a 1 or 2 mage/archers. that way everyones covered even in the most hardcore mob's, and each cleric has less people to take care of, spreads out the responsibility. because just hanging back and supporting gets boring after a while, though it DOES need to happen at times. it just comes with experience i guess...

[Diablesse]

Heh, it will get better, a little in mara, but more in GH, when clerics start to know th at just coz they CAN tank doesnt mean they should. Like Tamlinari said everyone wanna be cleric now. I had 28 cleric, but sometimes boss not getting killed due to lack of serious dps, so i rerolled mage... put me behind everyone else in lvl race, but im having fun. the pro is, its a lot of fun, the con is I depend on those clerics to keep me alive now :O n a quick Health stone finger~

I play lowbie alts in Slime KQ sometime if i dont get into Gold Hills, and about to lvl out of gh, so ill play in slime KQ more... I have a full end 15 warr, and I have felt your pain. And haveing been a cleric for quite sometime its hard to deal with bad clerics... I want to shout at them. But ... remember its low levels, so people are learning thier roles. Be patient~ Maybe you can make one more KQ. just dont tank if you can help it so you are sure to live xD ... Remember people will learn more. there are more painful Maras, but i have onli lost in Gold hills one time, due to no dps.

Now, if they can fix my mage to give her a lil more survivabily for solo xD

[bronkolawbringer]

So, i was in KQ with my lvl 16, full end fighter, and all these clerics were trying to tank, and doing alright, nobody was dying or anything. So we had gone left at the last circle thing not right, and all these clerics RUSH to the boss, TRY AND TANK HIM!!! I GOT SO PISSED!!! I ended up using snearing kick, it killed me cuz all the clerics were trying to attack it, i got back up after SHOUTING at them to heal me, DIED AGAIN and got transported to town... i HATE cler-ankers. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH SOME PEOPLE THICK SKULLZ!!! CLERICS ARE TO HEAL DURING THE BOSS FIGHT!!!

Omg im pissed off, that was the last KQ too, and i need to kill the king, while im lvl 16....
i have a cleric, but if i ever get into a guild i am going to learn heal immediantly

[Semaj]

you can learn heal at like lv3 man, and no guild will accept anyone under lv20.

[soysauce2rice]

Clerics can tank but Fighters do a much better job. Clerics can do usually half of what a fighter's damage can deal or 3/4s on most games i played. Other's really make them focus on support which is no fun @.@

[Semaj]

Clerics can tank but Fighters do a much better job. Clerics can do usually half of what a fighter's damage can deal or 3/4s on most games i played. Other's really make them focus on support which is no fun @.@

thats what ive been saying, and once you reach higher levels its even easier for clerics to DO BOTH, because everyone has higher hp/sp, we have more healing power (heal 5 + 500hp) so we dont have to heal as often. specially if there's only one tank in the party (a good tank will keep the agro so we dont have to worry about the mage/archer). it works well, it just takes someone that pays attention and will stop attacking to take care of his party, after all, if the tank dies we're left with the mob, that we may not be able to handle on our own.

[mikybee93]

Well, im glad to hear that its better in the other KQs. and i really hope it is. And, ill just sit back and let them all die next time

[qwter55]

Diablesse said

But ... remember its low levels, so people are learning thier roles. Be patient~ (King Slime KQ)



*Helin nod her head in agreement, /nod

[anthony5126]

what in your case thats pretty retarted that you expect them to just heal you because they are clerics... what if i just go up to you and say i hate people who hate clerics who tank? if you go into kq without healing stones or potions that is the worst possible mistake you could make

[xcedra]

its also really hard to see someones health or quickly target them if you are not in the same party. you can say bad clerics all you want, but if you really want me to be your healer, I want to be in your party to see you. I tank, but i also heal, cause as a cleric that is my role, main tank, not neccisarily, off tank for sure. I have sunk all of mu skill power ups into making my heal spell cost less sp and lower the cooldown.

if you go into a KQ and you expect not to have to use HS or HP at the end you will most likely die.

[SpiritS]

Well i am a cleric too,i can say some cleric at lv 12 still dunoe how to heal.Vry funny coz i c 1 when i hunting in sea of greed.(Yet he have survie to lv 12,mayb he buy alot soulstone)
Dun pissed at cleric,when u meet a good cleric u will like them again.

[gondorianwarrior]

you no ur dumb its not even gunna urn u xp ,retard when u start real quests like mara pirates rage ull be on ur knees haha
ps now sit back and relax

underworld-teva-lvl 17 cleric/Rocker-apoline-lvl 59 fighter

[mikybee93]

what in your case thats pretty retarted that you expect them to just heal you because they are clerics

Well, i expect them to not let people die, or maybey have common sence to know that they CANT tank the king slime, because its kinda hard to heal urself with stones vs the king slime aint it? Read a lil bit more next time...

[syntari]

My main is a fighter, and I've seen that happened. I've made a point to gear my cleric more towards a supporter. Just a stand back and heal/res during the boss fight. Though seriously, I cannot heal you if you get killed in one shot(two level 17 fighters with less than 520 health, kept on trying to take down mara during the kq).

[Vivi575]

I had to tank King Slime with my cleric once, cause the fighters were too low to tank. But I did spend a lot of pots too (about 30) in doing so, but we did make it =D

[Semaj]

i tanked marlone and mara KQ because i had the same hp as the highest lv fighter. i didnt do much dmg, but i kept the tank in my party alive and myself. i didnt do much dmg, but every little bit helps right :)

[tingrui22]

Heal, Revive and cast Invincible.
I like to hang back and cast Heal and Invincible on the Fighters Archers and Mages and let them do damage.
And only take on mobs only if they gang mob the fighters.
But quite frankly most players don't understand that a Cleric is not really a Fighter.
They think a Cleric is just a cool Fighter that can cast and heal themselves.
Some goofs posted some threads that make the assertion that a Cleric is the toughest and best character and will "own" any other character in a PVP.
So of course now everyone wants to be a Cleric / Tank so of course the roll of a Cleric in parties has almost been completely eclipsed by the desire to be a brutal battle Cleric.
In my opinion you should not recruit Clerics for support in parties that have almost twice as much HP as they do SP because those players have built their Cleric to act as a tank and you are not likely to get very much support from them (if any) in a party.
Just my opinion.
:D

errr.....below lvl 20 !!!

[tingrui22]

Well, i expect them to not let people die, or maybey have common sence to know that they CANT tank the king slime, because its kinda hard to heal urself with stones vs the king slime aint it? Read a lil bit more next time...

Ur too dependent on clerics...that means whatever u do...even if u go solo ppl ust make sure ur alive...ur crazy!!u think cleric r ur slaves???u must expect them...they nvr even get what they want sometimes...and u wanna expect them!!they used thier own pots for healing...so u just normal attack everything and make the cleric spam pots...that's what u expect u fking noob dun expect everything to be in ur way..everything u expect....that means cleric have no way to be wrong huh...go and create ur own cleric and see...u fking noob dun try to expect from others...think u what??most pro of whole wide world...@!

[mikybee93]

Dude, forgot ur pills?
I never party except in KQ, but i never use pots when im soloing either. I save up my money that way. And in KQ, i would expect some teamwork, and i think that clerics get the spell HEAL for a reason, but they dont get snear kick for some reason... hmmmm

[tingrui22]

Dude, forgot ur pills?
I never party except in KQ, but i never use pots when im soloing either. I save up my money that way. And in KQ, i would expect some teamwork, and i think that clerics get the spell HEAL for a reason, but they dont get snear kick for some reason... hmmmm

So cleric burn thier pots for u??

[mikybee93]

Well if clerics need to use pots then they shouldnt tank, should they? their main job is to heal, thats why they have the HEAL spell, if they can heal AND tank, or if there are too many clerics, then i dont mind, but not healing and letting people die pisses me off.

[blazkowicz]

Well if clerics need to use pots then they shouldnt tank, should they? their main job is to heal, thats why they have the HEAL spell, if they can heal AND tank, or if there are too many clerics, then i dont mind, but not healing and letting people die pisses me off.

Healing requires SP and in a long fight SP Pots are needed to heal without having to rest. So tank or heal, a cleric will probably need to use pots; the only difference is whether it's for themselves or someone else.

It's fine and wonderful that you're angry that there are 'dumb' clerics who didn't heal you. However, I doubt ranting is going to convince them to change the way they play. Besides that, it's not like their style of play is representative of the whole cleric population, nor are we the only class with players that do stupid things.

[Danipants]

oh man... why do people choose clerics if they don't want to stand back and heal? if you want a tank, pick fighter, its as simple as that.
maybe when you're outside of KQ in a party of archers and mages it's a good idea to tank just because you have a better chance than they do of surviving a hit... but 100% of the time, a fighter will take a hit better than a cleric that is why they should always tank if possible. Furthermore, clerics do TERRIBLE damage, chances are if a cleric is tanking, it'll have a hard time keeping the mob on them and not wandering off to a mage or archer, again this is why fighters should always tank because they have snare kick.

arg, I feel your pain milkybee, but I've tanked on my cleric before but only in KQs where there weren't any high enough level fighters to do the job, and I kept watch for others who needed to be healed and healed them.

what in your case thats pretty retarted that you expect them to just heal you because they are clerics... what if i just go up to you and say i hate people who hate clerics who tank? if you go into kq without healing stones or potions that is the worst possible mistake you could make
that's true, you shouldn't go into a KQ without stones or potions, but they're for situations where the damage you're taking outweighs the heals the clerics are able to give... emergencies.
the whole point of KQs is to work as a team, each class using their abilities to help one another. So okay, a cleric tanks, they survive, and how exactly are they helping their teammates?

its also really hard to see someones health or quickly target them if you are not in the same party. you can say bad clerics all you want, but if you really want me to be your healer, I want to be in your party to see you. I tank, but i also heal, cause as a cleric that is my role, main tank, not neccisarily, off tank for sure.
fair enough, you can't be expected to heal everyone outside of your party, but blah, i've been in a king slime KQ before where the main tank couldn't handle the king so I stepped up on my fighter (who wasn't much lower level'd than the main tank) and ended up tanking the king, and throughout the whole thing I never received a single heal from the 3 clerics we had. I just think that while you shouldn't be expected to see everyone's hp bar, clerics should be more aware of their surroundings, if the main tank changes, take a look at who's holding the boss and heal them instead. It drove me nuts that I used a ton of stones and pots during that KQ and of course got an empty treasure box for my efforts u.u;

Ur too dependent on clerics...that means whatever u do...even if u go solo ppl ust make sure ur alive...ur crazy!!u think cleric r ur slaves???u must expect them...they nvr even get what they want sometimes...and u wanna expect them!!they used thier own pots for healing...so u just normal attack everything and make the cleric spam pots...that's what u expect u fking noob dun expect everything to be in ur way..everything u expect....that means cleric have no way to be wrong huh...go and create ur own cleric and see...u fking noob dun try to expect from others...think u what??most pro of whole wide world...@!
he/she's not talking about solo leveling, but KQs. Clerics are meant to heal and buff others in KQs, at least during boss fights, and it's not like they're slaves, they get exp and treasure in return. If a cleric stands back and lets everyone die and never heals, then well... everyone loses >.>
also, a cleric should really be out of the way of mobs when healing, i dunno why a cleric would need to use HP pots or stones at all (at least my cleric doesn't), SP pots and stones, yes, but then everyone else is using them to defeat the boss as well.

k i'm done writing my essay XD bye

[SpiritS]

I think in KQ if got too many cleric is a trouble since they will think the other cleric will heal so they can just sit/stand at back watching show,which is very wrong,I dunoe King Slime will do 1 hit super dmg o not but i definetly sure Mara and Marlone will,so lets say a cleric can heal like 270 dmg and he/she is the onli 1 who heal which will too hard for the tanker too survie from next attack.So other cleric dun sit b and watch pls.
Cleric do burn alot SP stone/pot to keep teammate/tanker survie and tanker themselve should oso burn their own HP stone/pot to protect other from danger.Like I say many cleric doesnt mean u can save ur own Hp pot/stone.
Btw if the tanker not same team with u den u just target on him,dun care the other who think himself are pro or good(except he/she is ur friend or teammate.)
I keep the Hp stone/pot just to make sure i survie if got mob attack me so that wont affected my heal on tanker.

[Semaj]

ok, i agree with some of these posts, but im not gonna bother to quote them, im just to lazy.

IF your in a party (KQ or otherwise) and a cleric, first thing is to keep your party alive. end of story. if you dont have a fighter, tank. or once the fighter has the attention of the mob then tank (just healing gets boring, i understand) but it only takes a sec to click on a party member and heal. healing is a lot cheaper than rezing.

Yes, you will use a lot of sp pots in KQ, everyone does. your moving to fast to really rest most places. but you get great xp and cash for completing the quest, so who cares.

ive been in KQ (mara way back when), and i helped tank both mara and marlone, and i NEVER let my tank die. if i took to much dmg and i needed to heal a the tank (archer and mage should almost never get hit if tank and cleric are doing their job), id step back and heal till everyones safe or caught up, then i wade back into the fray.

its about being a responsible party member, and actually paying attention to the life bars of your party. its not that hard to serve a dual purpose in fights.

[Diatomic]

I totally agreed, Clerics should take responsibility for the livelihood of the party. When I party with my cleric, even if I am being attacked, I still keep healing my tanker, I just use my hp pots for self healing while healing my party members. So I do think that in a party, cleric does gain the responsibility of healing its members....the same does not go to non-members thou. I just think that, since fighters kept to their role as a tanker, and mages as damage makers...clerics should do the same...with that teamwork, everyone can stay alive.

[johnkx]

Clerics can heal or not heal, depends on his/her mood.... Although it's "OUR" job.. but sometimes we feel stupid,noobissh and bored..... so.. haha deal with it! we still pwn. (not really)

BUY POTS FFS!!

[soysauce2rice]

I'm gonna try and make this a bit clear...
1. Don't blame clerics because you died. If you don't look at your hp but instead you're looking at the flashy diagonal lines on bosses, You're Dead. Simple.
2. If you're not satisfied because they are not healing you every 1 second just coz you loss a little HP, make your own cleric. Sounds like you can do a better job *wink* :P
3. 1 HP pot is not a waste, i don't know why people tend to not use them. I've been in Mara Pirate KQs Where the tank doesn't use an HP pot even if he has 100 hp :O

Now to go on topic to the creator's post...
1. Sure clerics can tank but not so effective like a Fighter, very true.
2. Those who think they can tank on a Boss are noobs because they'll lose the threat attacking them (unless there is no mage around...).
3. Clerics can attack, but i'd rather say a supportive attack for boss monsters... Meaning, they Dps from behind and let the tanker get hit, then heal the tanker once per hit he takes. I tried this, per every 2 hits i deal, the boss hits once - therefore i heal once :P

All in all... Clerics can tank but not suggesstive for boss monsters. Clerics can't always heal (it's easier in his/her party however) coz you might be out of range or doesn't notice you.
I like being a cleric coz if i ever get the specific level, i'll buff the newbies for fun :]

[tingrui22]

I'm gonna try and make this a bit clear...
All in all... Clerics can tank but not suggesstive for boss monsters. Clerics can't always heal (it's easier in his/her party however) coz you might be out of range or doesn't notice you.
I like being a cleric coz if i ever get the specific level, i'll buff the newbies for fun :]

Lol...what abt mini-boss monsters??

[anthony5126]

Well, i expect them to not let people die, or maybey have common sence to know that they CANT tank the king slime, because its kinda hard to heal urself with stones vs the king slime aint it? Read a lil bit more next time...

actually i just made a fighter and i got her to level 15 and i had no problem doing king slime with healing stones and healing potions when all the healers were dead

[TastyTapioca]

actually i just made a fighter and i got her to level 15 and i had no problem doing king slime with healing stones and healing potions when all the healers were dead

Yah but there's a large difference between a level 15 fighter and a cleric around the same level.

We clerics, even with high endurance don't have as many HP or DEF capabilities. :D

[tvuo7618]

Every job has different ways to play them. There are things called BATTLE CLERICS. With fighters you can be a tank or a dmg machine, you can be speed or damage with mage/archer, and so with clerics, we can be heal/battle.

But because clerics in this game can be a battle without having their buffs/heals being brought down (eg, int does not effect the power of heal or buffs, we don't need skill points to learn skills), therefore many people choose to be battle clerics but still being able to do both.

When I train, I train solo, I am a battle cleric. When in KQ and parties, I am a support cleric. Yes, clerics are "made" for healing/support, but in this game they can be both effectively, so those who are not as good as supporting is probably because they are used to attacking as this game does not split cleric's purpose clearly.

This game does not allow for clerics to shine, definitely not the support clerics anyway, you cannot buff people unless they are in your party, you cannot have better buffs than another player, you cannot have better heals than another cleric. So there is no incentive to be a "good" cleric - at least that's how I see it.

[Drium]

Every job has different ways to play them. There are things called BATTLE CLERICS. With fighters you can be a tank or a dmg machine, you can be speed or damage with mage/archer, and so with clerics, we can be heal/battle.

But because clerics in this game can be a battle without having their buffs/heals being brought down (eg, int does not effect the power of heal or buffs, we don't need skill points to learn skills), therefore many people choose to be battle clerics but still being able to do both.

When I train, I train solo, I am a battle cleric. When in KQ and parties, I am a support cleric. Yes, clerics are "made" for healing/support, but in this game they can be both effectively, so those who are not as good as supporting is probably because they are used to attacking as this game does not split cleric's purpose clearly.

This game does not allow for clerics to shine, definitely not the support clerics anyway, you cannot buff people unless they are in your party, you cannot have better buffs than another player, you cannot have better heals than another cleric. So there is no incentive to be a "good" cleric - at least that's how I see it.There is. It's called teamwork and wanting to make your KQs succeed more easily, as well as your parties.

[stonythegreat]

i'm not even done downloading the game yet and this is getting annoying. think about this for a minute. clerics are main rolled for healing and support right? well, there is a way to fix a troublesome cleric. if they don't do their job don't give them any credit. a cleric can say they have as much right to tank as any other class but, the fact that a cleric tanks and a tank dies is awful. tanks main job is to be slapped around like a red headed step child right? well, that said makes sense that that tank usually won't have enough room or money to fill up on pots in high end situations. clerics who sit back or tank without reguard for others are just a hazard. i played WOW for a very long time. if you've ever played you know that running any quest at lvl 60 requires heals and support. i've gone raid with priestes and mages with other friends of mine. i tanked like there was no tomorrow, died like 9 times because my priestes were trying to power word pain and buff themselves for an onslaught against a lvl 65 elite. after awhile it wears thin. i gave the big warning that usually straightens up a cleric in those situations. help or be kicked. chances are if you reward a support class that isn't doing their job, they'll continue to think they can do whatever they want without regaurd to teamates. just take the power from them. it usually works.

[The_Zeroith]

PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH SOME PEOPLE THICK SKULLZ!!! CLERICS ARE TO HEAL DURING THE BOSS FIGHT!!!

Omg im pissed off, that was the last KQ too, and i need to kill the king, while im lvl 16....[/QUOTE]


mostly agreed....im lvl 30 cleric....was in KQ at gold hill and we were at the boss.....for some unknown reason it charges me and I ended up being the tank...successfully....but it would have been nice to have a fighter step up and take over the roll b/c i had to heal myself 2 to 1 for everytime I would normally heal a fighter tank.....

[TastyTapioca]

mostly agreed....im lvl 30 cleric....was in KQ at gold hill and we were at the boss.....for some unknown reason it charges me and I ended up being the tank...successfully....but it would have been nice to have a fighter step up and take over the roll b/c i had to heal myself 2 to 1 for everytime I would normally heal a fighter tank.....


Usually the most recommended response to heal-aggro is to focus on healing yourself for the duration of the attack, the other people attacking will eventually pull the boss of you again. :)

[The_Zeroith]

Usually the most recommended response to heal-aggro is to focus on healing yourself for the duration of the attack, the other people attacking will eventually pull the boss of you again. :)

Thanks...but never ask a man to not hit back....lol!

[Gravvi]

it isn't our fault if we choose to tank or not. Preferable i don't tank. But if a cleric has higher hp and defense let them tank. Builds are not limited to one class. i was the highest lvl cleric in a KQ. I was the tank because
1. I did more damage than everyone
2. I had higher def
3. More hp

And if a cleric tanks let them heal themselves and stop bickering about it. Clerics have more than one job. If they weren't allowed to be tanks the game wouldn't give us str
THe game gives us str so i use it. I also heal. SO stop bashing clerics cuz not everyone is the same.

[TastyTapioca]

I will bash clerics at times who go tanking in groups. If I had a dime for every cleric I've seen tanking alongside in a group and a group member die, I'd be a millionaire. Cleric's first responsibility is to heal and tend to keeping the grouping and then if things are well under control, go tank if they really have they have to prove themselves.

IF you have another cleric in the group be SURE to drawn lines on responsibilities. Nothing sucks more than having a cleric who goes to tank (or both going melee) and people dying. Or the worst kind of dual cleric foul, the one who tanks and then steps back to heal while you are and then steps back in to tank again, wasting a lot of SP in the process. Do one or the other. :-P

[The_Zeroith]

The number one problem with all this *HATE* is that parties have no communication and everyone just assumes their roll.....just to discriminate fairly, fighters seem to assume that people have "set rolls" the most....despite actual stat distribution and the most logical strategy, some people want things the "way they were intended".....

I wonder how the most successful teams play? That's a tough one.....

[Gravvi]

I will bash clerics at times who go tanking in groups. If I had a dime for every cleric I've seen tanking alongside in a group and a group member die, I'd be a millionaire. Cleric's first responsibility is to heal and tend to keeping the grouping and then if things are well under control, go tank if they really have they have to prove themselves.

IF you have another cleric in the group be SURE to drawn lines on responsibilities. Nothing sucks more than having a cleric who goes to tank (or both going melee) and people dying. Or the worst kind of dual cleric foul, the one who tanks and then steps back to heal while you are and then steps back in to tank again, wasting a lot of SP in the process. Do one or the other. :-P

Well if a cleric doesn't have a build that isn't for partying they aren't going to be a healer. Yes they can heal but it won't be the best. NO empowerments to heal. I am going ot make a tank cleric and pure party healer. Imma see if u can do both with a tank one. Most likely u can. But another thing. Clerics need the Kill count in the KQ of many monsters and since the party is only 5 out of 15 they may not get the count. So if ur a cleric party with the tank and some mages. and an archer. I mean u can heal and not have to deal damage. I still think i had more fun when i was tank. No good tanks but me.

ONe fun part about a cleric. You should never be board in a party. If u are then u aren't doing ur job.

[Xanthros]

The number one problem with all this *HATE* is that parties have no communication and everyone just assumes their roll.....just to discriminate fairly, fighters seem to assume that people have "set rolls" the most....despite actual stat distribution and the most logical strategy, some people want things the "way they were intended".....

I wonder how the most successful teams play? That's a tough one.....

I agree with you, lack of communication and assumptions that people will do what others want them to is a good way to cause a massive problem. Everyone has a view on what a class -should- do, but that's not always how it works. That said, I'm a support cleric with tanking abilities should we get swarmed, packing as much crit as I can have for my level. What -should- my role be? smash it fast and level it? tank to protect ranged users? sit back and heal? Many different views can be taken, and that is why my build is somewhat hybrid and doesn't follow any of the 'best' build guidelines that have been mentioned in other threads.

As for the question, I feel that is easy to answer... they don't team-hop and take just anyone in their party for ease of exp grinding. If I don't have any of my normal team with me, I will grind exp and/or farm mats solo. That said, you have to know your team in-depth, and their play styles as well. If you don't know your team and what to expect, having a fighter rush a group and hit mock... unless you're extremely fast with the regen/heal back to back with an invincibility (depending on the level of the npcs vs group avg) there could quite possibly be a death.

Strength in numbers only goes so far, and will never replace a cohesive unit that knows exactly what to expect from their party mates / team, imho.

My .02,

X-

[flowerzan]

This is one of the reasons that the cleric design in this game annoys me. They make us wear all this heavy armors and suits at our last level as if we were compared to palladins or champions and yet we suck at dealing damage and we only have one frickin skill.

Also, if tankers such as yourself left some of the drops for the clerics in your team, Clerics would not tank. Apparently, if you fight monsters you get much better items in treasure boxes, in my own experience that is.

[SpiritS]

In KQ there is no diffrence for treasure box if you choose to sit at behind or go up fight,it is all depend on your luck.

Paladin is mainly focus on Armor and Buff and lack of deadly attack(dont misunderstood paladin with champion or Warrior)Paladin is the combine role between healing teammate,buffing teammate and tanking(i.e.like World of ...)

We have some offensive skill(if the info not wrong,Bash at L5,Bleed/Trip at L40 and last 2 was at L97~100)And Remember,cleric/paladin primarly role is to support and keep your teammate alive.We even sacrifice our life in order to protect our teammate.(A skill of cleric)

[l33th4x0r]

Cleric is like a Paladin, Middle def, middle attack, some heal and buff'
isn't only a simple healer, they can tank too, and do damage too, and they can do ONLY MELEE DAMAGE, that's why they rush at KQ's.

They're job is bless their party mem, attack mob, sometime tank and heal theirself or other ppl, isn't not only simple healer who should heal everyone and stay back from fight and do nothing, they have attack too.

end of story.

[soysauce2rice]

Today I had to tank for Gold Hill KQ since there was no one else with higher HP + defence. since Clerics don't have a taunt skill, it was so hard. We only had 1 fighter but he only had 700hp and low low defence which isn't enough. Marlone killed a bunch of people. Then the grave robber boss killed 4 people. It was a mess but we beat it >:]

[magna93]

actually, maybe u were unlucky =x they're probably solo clerics.

[Kaleidoscope]

Bah. It's kinda a damned if you do damned if you don't type thing. P: I once had to totally tank for a slime KQ. There wasn't a single fighter in the entire batch and I had to take my cleric and tank the entire thing. We won, a lot of people died because of the no taunt thing, but we won. xD Had I sat back and healed we wouldn't have sooo. >>; Sometimes clerics HAVE to tank.

I personally like to just sit back and heal. It's a lot easier on my nerves. Though when you're healing a crappy tank that gets hit down to like..20hp in one hit..that's kind of nerve wracking too. xD; 3 Second lag on heal, if someone can't stay alive those 3 seconds then blaaah. THAT is nerve wracking especially if everyone else in the entire KQ is yelling at you for being a lousy cleric. >_>; Lousy tank causing the problem perhaps?

I think clerics get a lot of responsibility placed on them the second they choose that class, and people don't show as much understanding as they could they just demand more. Remember that clerics are people too and not your own personal healing machines. :x We have our quests and our level grinds and mat farming and need to make money and experience just like everybody else. People seem to forget that quite quickly.

[Blaow]

Don't forget this is a game and to get overly aggravated is..well...a waste of your energy. I am a Cleric, i do try to tank. keyword try. when i group, health bars of my party are #1 priority, i'm also the type that waits to heal until i can maximize my heal. I.e. my Tier4 Heal, 390 HP, you're a fighter with about 1k hp, i don't heal til you're below 600. I also have my 2nd Tier heal, 190 HP up. That's for Mages and archers.
Sorry guys and gals of those classes, you don't get the fullblown heal unless you have really high HP.

During periods of time when my party is not in need of healing, i'm up front bashing and smacking whatever we're on. Having a +5 hammer helps with some damage, also having Str as my third stat i put points in aids that. I am still a SPR heavy class, I know my role and in really bad fights, such as characters 2 or 3 levels too low for...oh let's use Mara as an example. a Group of level 10s and 12s against Mara, pretty much get 1-shot by her, or if they've got high HP 2 shot. During really bad fights like that, i don't even get close to fighting as all my Spirit is directed at heals.

Don't judge a person's class based off one group or style of a character, you'll find yourself with lower numbers of those classes on your friends lists and parties, and really, every class is beneficial to a group someway or another. In my opinion you just miss out really. And no one should miss out.

When I group, like i said before, Hp Bars of my party members are #1 priority, i've forgotten to worry about myself in some instances healing everyone else instead.

[Semaj]

Blaow, you totally have it right, and i agree with you 100%.

[dericcyk]

why are the guys so aggravated for? i'm a cleric lvl 26, we heal when we can, but what about when we get attacked while healing? do you guys know how much pots we're using? on top of sp pots we're also using hp pots and stones to stay alive just so that you can kill the mobs without using any pots at all?

I agree a good cleric will heal and do his best, but also do your part, if you're attacking the mobs you can spin around to keep an eye out for your cleric. You do not need to be looking at the mob you're attacking. If you see something aggro towards your cleric, pull it towards you with whatever skills you have. Your cleric will definately thank you for that instead of needing to keep himself and you alive at the same time. Then they will just have to concentrate on keeping you alive.

[Gravvi]

ok apparently this is an argument that is never going to end so imma say this

Fighting over the internet is like the special olympics, Even tho you won your still a retard. (not to be offensive, just something i heard)

[farard]

So, i was in KQ with my lvl 16, full end fighter, and all these clerics were trying to tank, and doing alright, nobody was dying or anything. So we had gone left at the last circle thing not right, and all these clerics RUSH to the boss, TRY AND TANK HIM!!! I GOT SO PISSED!!! I ended up using snearing kick, it killed me cuz all the clerics were trying to attack it, i got back up after SHOUTING at them to heal me, DIED AGAIN and got transported to town... i HATE cler-ankers. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH SOME PEOPLE THICK SKULLZ!!! CLERICS ARE TO HEAL DURING THE BOSS FIGHT!!!

if you get this situation again just leave them to it, they will soon learn when they get transported back to town cos some mob just kicked their rear end. then again sometimes clerics have to tank because the so called tanks [fighters] are not up to the job. also clerics go through a large amount of sp pots on a quest and even in a normal party, though i have yet to see the other classes offer clerics sp pots for their trouble. all we get is "HEAL - RES - HELP" no kiss my **** or anything.

[booyah8876]

Yeah... well... I can see where you're coming from... as lvl 37 cleric... I learned that I can tank SOMETIMES... not all the time... but sometimes... if I see something happening, and I need to stop, and only focus on healing... and another point... DON'T USE HEAL ON YOURSELF!!! I learned that I would waste that heal on someone else, whenI can use a T3 pot, (I don't use T2 or Hp stones), and heal the person taking the damage at the same time. It's really all about the person that's being the cleric... if they know what needs to be done, then they'll be a good cleric, but then again, the cleric is a class that needs a LOT of brain power to use, and I see some people that shouldn't be clerics. =X

[Gravvi]

Well if they are full end clerics there is no point in them healing. If you were smart find out who has most hp and highest def.

[yamatanoorochi]

DON'T USE HEAL ON YOURSELF!!!
True. This is something I learned from Ragnarok Online. The Priests in my guild carry ****tons of White pots so they can use it on themselves and heal the rest of us during sticky situations.

Fiesta is the first and only game where I chose a support/healing role as my first/primary character, and the experience that our Priests gave me were indispensable.

[Jorja]

[QUOTE=Gravvi;132306]Well if they are full end clerics there is no point in them healing. If you were smart find out who has most hp and highest def.[/QUOTE

WRONG!!!! The purpose (to me) of going full end for the first 20 lvls or so is to have the hp to survive the hits while healing the idiot tank who doesn't have the good sense to use scrolls or pot himself. With a ton of hp, I can concentrate on keeping his sorry butt alive and not have to mess with healing myself so much. With decent spr equip.. rings, earrings, etc... and proper use of skill empowerment... like cutting down on sp use and cool time.. I am an extremely competent support cleric.

And btw, I have a HighCleric on Teva and a CleverFighter on Apoline... I see both sides of the situation. As a fighter, I never go into kq (or any party situation) without full stones and a batch of pots. Stuff happens. Clerics get mobbed at the exact wrong time. Or run out of sp... or lag.. or... Well you get the picture... plan ahead guys.... it's YOUR exp loss if you don't look out for the unexpected.

Just my 25c worth...

[Rockman_Xelnia]

I have a HighCleric on Teva and I can see both sides of the situation, but I disagree when it comes to a Cleric's true role in a party/KQ/whatever merely because of the fact that like every other player in this game, a Cleric has quests that require them to fight at one point or another. I just change my game depending on the situation. If I'm in a party, then I'll gladly heal and revive anyone, including non-party members. On the other hand, if I'm solo, I'm fighting and the only way I'll do any healing is if someone blurts out that they need it or if we're at a boss in which then I'll heal the main tank and of course if I can SEE someone drop like a fly to the ground then I'll revive. That's just how I work because even in a party, we're not guaranteed to fulfill our goals and well, Clerics need to be given a little more flexibility, we can't be everywhere and do everything. . . . like having a whole mob of dead players asking for a rez when they know, or we tell them, that there is a thing called COOLDOWN.:cool:

IMO, if someone wants to act like an idiot (putting it bluntly) then let them learn the consequences the hard way. I've seen players doing some of the most reckless and dumb things and most of them were Clerics but what can I say, we can't expect everyone to know everything right off the bat.:D

[Duskfire]

I hate that ANYONE would refer, every, to Clerics being related to Paladins... Just wanted to state that...

Clerics Rule...

Paladins Suck...

Blessed be the kick-*** Cleric and not the Paladin :cool:

[dericcyk]

True. This is something I learned from Ragnarok Online. The Priests in my guild carry ****tons of White pots so they can use it on themselves and heal the rest of us during sticky situations.

Fiesta is the first and only game where I chose a support/healing role as my first/primary character, and the experience that our Priests gave me were indispensable.

the bad thing about the pots here is, there's a friggin cooldown time, you can't pump it continuously, you have to combine a pot and a stone to at least survive a boss's full damage, unless you have higher tier hp pots.

I do that all the while to keep myself alive while healing or ressing my teammates, when things are safe only i will heal myself

[Duskfire]

it isn't our fault if we choose to tank or not. Preferable i don't tank. But if a cleric has higher hp and defense let them tank. Builds are not limited to one class. i was the highest lvl cleric in a KQ. I was the tank because
1. I did more damage than everyone
2. I had higher def
3. More hp

And if a cleric tanks let them heal themselves and stop bickering about it. Clerics have more than one job. If they weren't allowed to be tanks the game wouldn't give us str
THe game gives us str so i use it. I also heal. SO stop bashing clerics cuz not everyone is the same.


I agree completely!
Agreed!

[gaivrn]

lol if u need. im a experienced healer. I'm in Teva char name is Llght
that's LLght. need party or kq help just whisper me first before adding

[maxavier]

It jus shows the clerics are not doing their job, but some clerics are harder than fighters

[bionical2k]

it should be noted that when in mara or even slime kq at lvl 3 before u reach slime u learn heal. Mmmmm let me think. does that mean i can heal others? lemme try! yes i can so when im in a kq and a full end tank is going for it (provided they have def and vit scrolls) then i heal party ,members. it is not that hard to think about. clerics are the most important members of any party because of heals like regen and buffs that add to def and mdef or even invinc and rez so yes they should not have been tanking.
i have found myself in situations where my tank has died from too many mobs accidently pulled but this is sometimes the case so i tank quickly while i use regen then invinc so i can rez the tank and heal them. i added to end and spr for first lvls till spr was +19 and end was +21 then added to str. this would not in anycase give me the same def as a fighter but enough to be able to perform necessary tasks. if i feel i can't i move before mobs attack me to safe distance. knowing there is approximately 3 minutes in total before warp, (count them. it says 2mins for 1 minute then 1 minute for 1 miute then 1 minute count down = 3 mins in total), this can allow time for mobs to move away so i can rez. in KQs tho this cannot b done and so clerics should stay as far away as possible especially pure spr party clerics.

this is why i added to end and spr early on in lvls so i can solo or party with much more ease and be more confident in my char

final note: players shud study cl@ss summary before they choose a char and work out what they want it to be able to do. i knew a fighter with most in dex and i hardly had to cure him. in fact i find it hard to remember when i had to cure him but other fighters i did an awful lot more curing. clerics shud only tank when they know they can kill and they are much higher lvls than fighter tanks and hit much harder as hard hits aggro

just to add there is a cleric skill obtained in the lvl 70s called something like sacrifice. mmmmm wonder why!!!!!

[maxavier]

King slime = clerics/fighters can both tank. But when it comes to mara/gold hill/robo and above. Only fighters can tank.

[FieryChaos]

King slime = clerics/fighters can both tank. But when it comes to mara/gold hill/robo and above. Only fighters can tank.


Not true, mate... I was in a Mara KQ twice where my cleric had to tank (Bijou server). First time we had no fighters. Second time the fighter that was tanking died in one-hit and then complained about it, even though 3+ clerics were healing him.
As for this wholly, clerics and fighters should do what they want. If the cleric dies, then keep letting them die, or don't res them. Same with all other classes. They'll learn soon enough. But no class is required to do anything they don't want to. If the person decides he wants to tank and die, then so be it.
As for me what I do is support the tank, and if there are too many clerics healing, I go in to help with damage. This is much easier when the tank is in the party, though, because I still keep an eye on the hp of the tank every couple seconds.

Myst
Bijou Server

[Brunya]

I'm a bit iffled with the Cleric class myself (AS well as the Fighter class for another reason)

Y'know what? It's not MY fault people rush ahead thinking they're running out of time (8:50 left?) but they leave some people behind and don't WANT to help the person because they'd die. (When the person's on LAST heart too (and actually doesn't BEG the Cleric for Rev!)

There's some EXCELLENT clerics (Like my friend and a guy in Bijou who actually TANKED everything in the Gold Hill KQ) but then again, there's some VERY bad ones, like some in the king quest, who blame deaths on the people who stay behind to help their teammates.

It's MY fault I suddenly stayed behind to help my team (despite not being in a party)?
It's MY fault that I know King Quests should be a TEAM effort?

Some Clerics just make me lose ALL respect for the class, so might as well give their arrogance back at the ones who ignore me for stupid reasons, and demand them instead of asking politely (Heck, I even spell out please for them, since I know their job is VERY stressful sometimes, and I give them the respect they deserve).

Ugh, that's the end of my stupid rant for now ~_~

[crystalorbie]

Not true, mate... I was in a Mara KQ twice where my cleric had to tank (Bijou server). First time we had no fighters. Second time the fighter that was tanking died in one-hit and then complained about it, even though 3+ clerics were healing him.
As for this wholly, clerics and fighters should do what they want. If the cleric dies, then keep letting them die, or don't res them. Same with all other classes. They'll learn soon enough. But no class is required to do anything they don't want to. If the person decides he wants to tank and die, then so be it.
As for me what I do is support the tank, and if there are too many clerics healing, I go in to help with damage. This is much easier when the tank is in the party, though, because I still keep an eye on the hp of the tank every couple seconds.

Myst
Bijou Server
Ha ha, the same thing happened to me recently in Bijou as well.

The entire group was lvl 18-19, and I'm a lvl 21 Cleric.

Due to a lack of luck on our first attempt to kill Marlone, our main tank died. I put on a Vitality, a Defence, and a Power scroll, along with Protect (though I wasn't in a party), and basically stood in front of Marlone and spam-healed.

It took about 5 minutes of everyone hitting-and-waiting (to not get attention) to finally kill Marlone, just the 2 other Clerics, 2 other Fighters, 2 other Archers, 1 other Mage, and me.

Sadly, Mara and her blasted stun ability finished me off, but I convinced the others to spend the remaining time going back and killing everything we skipped, so they would at least get exp in the run.

As to the rest of your post, I agree, they should do what they want.

[SpiritS]

just to add there is a cleric skill obtained in the lvl 70s called something like sacrifice. mmmmm wonder why!!!!!

Because cleric has the spirit to sacrifice themself in order to heal their teammate/friend.
Cleric rock,they heal,saving allies from danger,buff and revive.We are the class more closer to God.

Cleric of fiesta call as Paladin because we giving END:SPR stat and heavy armor to wear which mean we can tank unlike other cleric in other MMO who wear cloth and low hp(very low),high mp(more focus on INT stat).

[Liala]

I <3 Clerics!

I've only had the displeasure of partying with 1 incompetent Cleric, but that doesn't compare to all the GREAT Clerics I've had the pleasure of meeting and partying with. =)


So all you clerics out there...

Maiya the Mage <3's you.

Keep up the good work! =)

[SamusNerd]

you just partied with a bunch of nub clerics

[Gravvi]

ok this should end the fight over tanking clerics. We become paladin's NOT PRIESTS/PRIESTESS. ANd paladins are the guardians/defenders of people. I don't know why people get mad at clerics all the time. Ok my priorities

ME>Party>Tank>everyone else

I say everyone else because I am most likely not the only cleric. If i am the only cleric then use your stones or put me in your party. I usually party with the first person who invites me unless i need certain monsters for a quest.

[Accalia]

I don't understand what the big deal is about. People will play their class whichever way they choose. If there were a right and wrong way to do it, they wouldn't allow class specialization.

Yes, I've seen my share of clerics who refuse to heal because they're "not that kind of cleric" in the same way I've seen fighters unable to tank because they're "not that kind of fighter".

The important thing is to cut your losses and make a mental note to not invite them into party again.

So if you run into a cleric who refuses to heal you, or you find a fighter that is near impossible to keep healed, or for that matter a mage or archer that refuses to use stones/pots and instead mushrooms while everyone else is still fighting and using materials, then just suck it up and remember for next time that they aren't someone you want to party with. Then move on.

As a level 40 cleric I have found the niche I am most comfortable in and I found a handful of people who compliment my play-style nicely. We do KQs, grinding, and quests together. From time to time we do invite someone new to party and if they don't mix well, when they log off/leave party, we make a note that they aren't someone we want to party with again.

So lets all take a nice deep cleansing breath, and move on.

[Gravvi]

Omg thank you for saying that i totally agree. Except for the niche of your people.

[Tis.One]

haha... tanker cleric is allowed only when really no choice. i haf seem some cleric tank b4, but the case is he is lvl 25 on mara.

[Bubba111]

Lol Im a really good "cler-anker" (*** O.o), I tanked mara and that other guy in Mara Kq yesterday because the only fighter ran outta scrolls and stones -_-. But, I made sure everyone knew *** was going on, I didnt just rush like a dumbass.