Archer's in PvP KQ? Unfair?

[geebers18]

Archers's in PvP KQ are screwed. One of the only ways for us to win is to KS fighter kills, and continually run in circles. This sometimes fails, because once you have died as an archer, you now have 1/2 the life of fighters, and 3/4 the life of Clerics.(Mages, you are screwed) Once you have died, then there is no chance in you winning unless you got the Hammer before you lost your buffs.

Fighters and Clerics on the other hand can still kill many people with it before a fighter stuns them and everyone kills them. Us archers(and Mages) get shafted because there are no long range One-Hit K.O. weapons.

Now i know what you are thinking, that would be too good, and so on, but think about it, Fighters have Stun, and if they stun my archer, I am as good as dead. But the biggest selling point Outspark has for Archers is that we can attack from range! this is completely lost in the PvP KQ when the Hammer is involved!

I know all of the other Archers are gonna tell me that i dont know what i am talking about, and that they have won a couple, but i have also won one, and the only reason is is because all of the otehr players were noobs! i had the Hammer for like 5 minutes straight, and that doesnt even happen when Clerics get it. All that i am trying to say is that Outspark needs to revise this KQ in some way that the biggest bonus for being an Archer (and Mage) arent lost because i really enjoy it, but i hate getting killed by the fighters that stun and then spam skills.

if any1 has anymore thoughts on this, plz post and tell me why i am wrong.:confused:

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

(Mages, you are screwed) Once you have died, then there is no chance in you winning unless you got the Hammer before you lost your buffs.


do u know how screwed a fighter would be if the kq was mostly mages?, he wouldnt be able to move a few steps before being ice blasted and ripped apart. generally, fighters dominate this kq right now because there are way more fighters in this game than other classes.

[geebers18]

You are missing my point. my point is archers. we are screwed once we lose our buffs, and even though mages can slow you down, us archers cant slow you down. my battles go like this.
see fighter
DoT skills
run
(kiting)
fighter get half health, Hp pot
start over
when i get to a wall, they stun me and i am dead.

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

You are missing my point. my point is archers. we are screwed once we lose our buffs, and even though mages can slow you down, us archers cant slow you down. my battles go like this.
see fighter
DoT skills
run
(kiting)
fighter get half health, Hp pot
start over
when i get to a wall, they stun me and i am dead.

true, archers do fall short, but overall, many fighters lose too to heavy sparkcash users.

in most cases, its the player that has the most survivability that kills the most with the hammer, and its usually that player with full scrolls, charms, and extenders (regardless of class)

[geebers18]

you say that fighters lose to SC users, but what if a fighter used SC heavily?
they would be nearly invincible! If an archer uses SC heavily, then they may be to the lvl of a mediocre fighter, but not a good one.

[grecohawaii]

I disagree. On my archer I find myself placing 2nd half the time....

I even won once.

And have never placed lower than 6th, even with having to relog mid KQ thanks to a skills glitch which yielded me three deaths before I wised-up enough to relog...

I am not a heavy cs user.

I PERSONALLY pick off fighters in this KQ. It's true I steal kills here and there. But the key is to find someone you KNOW you can kill, and hound them throughout the KQ.

Usually I find about 1 mage, 3 fighters and a cleric which are easy pickings, and, as an archer, I have the easiest means of killing them before a fighter does. <.<

Oh, and I <3 ice shield. :3

[geebers18]

i have won once also, and i also place 2nd nearly half of the time, but if there is a good fighter, i am screwed. also, i once killed this mage like 5 times in a row but you dont get as many points for the people in lower places. chances are, you cant kill the 1st placer, and even so, i am a lvl 44 archer(cant play very often anymore) so i dont have some of the great skills you do.

[grecohawaii]

i have won once also, and i also place 2nd nearly half of the time, but if there is a good fighter, i am screwed. also, i once killed this mage like 5 times in a row but you dont get as many points for the people in lower places. chances are, you cant kill the 1st placer, and even so, i am a lvl 44 archer(cant play very often anymore) so i dont have some of the great skills you do.

Once you hit 51 you'll get Nature's Mist and will be able to double aoe crowds of sweaty fighters to death xD

It's a good feeling :3

[geebers18]

if what you say is true then i am looking forward to it!

[Ayano_Kannagi]

Archers do relatively well in PvP kq lol. Mine didn't lose a single one before she hit 50, and Arked (Apoline) does relatively well in his level range as well.

[NightRyda]

I've seen many archers win the kq

[theeasterbunny]

Fighters and Clerics on the other hand can still kill many people with it before a fighter stuns them and everyone kills them. Us archers(and Mages) get shafted because there are no long range One-Hit K.O. weapons.

o.o long range 1 hit ko weapon... dont u think that would extremely overpower people? no one would be able to get near to them... atleast with the hammer people do stand a chance of killing them or landing a hit

what im basically trying to say is the person with this long range weapon could just stand and 1 hit any one who came onto the screen...

instead of being pvp based it would be just about finding this weapon

[geebers18]

maybe my problem is that i am 44 and the lvl max is 49

[grecohawaii]

Archers do relatively well in PvP kq lol. Mine didn't lose a single one before she hit 50, and Arked (Apoline) does relatively well in his level range as well.

Isn't Arked extended?

The only one I was in with him that he placed 1, 2, or 3 he was full t3'd buff'd and was teaming the entire KQ with a fighter. xD

Other than that, he still does pretty well. ^.^;

Probably the best thing he has going for him is he lacks my personal restraint from targeting other archers. <.< [not that I never do, but I'll leave most of them alone unless they are winning or are trying to kill me ^.^; ]

*sigh* I want to be level 69 agian. I miss the pvp kq, and am not looking forward to the high level one with 8k hp fighters. >.<

[Shiirn]

Go to Bijou, 55-69 KQ. Watch my archer annihilate.

Stalk people. Especially other Archers/Mages. Fighters you can stalk if you can outdamage your scrolls, largely ignore clerics (They don't hurt much(Even when they actually breach your eva), and are fsking impossible to kill)

Stalk the hammer.

Stalk, stalk, stalk. This means RUN RUN RUN. The only time you will EVER use auto-attack is when you have the hammer.

[Shaden]

Isn't Arked extended?

The only one I was in with him that he placed 1, 2, or 3 he was full t3'd buff'd and was teaming the entire KQ with a fighter. xD

Other than that, he still does pretty well. ^.^;

Probably the best thing he has going for him is he lacks my personal restraint from targeting other archers. <.< [not that I never do, but I'll leave most of them alone unless they are winning or are trying to kill me ^.^; ]

*sigh* I want to be level 69 agian. I miss the pvp kq, and am not looking forward to the high level one with 8k hp fighters. >.<

I don't use extenders, crit suits, charms, or any CS advantage; marriage buff eventually though. Can't afford to go all-out CS though.

I do enter fairly heavily buffed though. Usually doesn't last long though.

I've placed 1st in 17 out of 21 PvP KQ's - and yes, I pick on Archers/Mages like hell. If you have low defense/hp, you are a top priority of mine. Not the nicest thing, I know, but... it gets me the win. xD

And yeah, I tend to team up with guild mates or close friends if they happen to get in the KQ with me.

Archers are certainly not underpowered in this KQ; you just need to play one like a ninja. Stay on the walls and pop out for kill steals on low-hp Fighters, if someone is being ganged, try to KS with Mist... try to not attract much attention to yourself, and take out other Archers/Mages along the walls as they will be trying to do the same as you.

That's if you plan on winning, of course.

((Spamming Nature's Mist on everyone is a bad idea btw, to all Archers who do this; everyone will despise and hunt you for it. Don't spam it in the center unless you are ready to be hunted... it isn't worth it. Stay 'quiet'))

Works for me, at least. xD

And never stop moving.

[geebers18]

thanks for all of you that helped me. just did a pvp and i placed 4th even though i killed 22 and the 1st only killed 19 and we both died the same. oh well i would have won if 2 nooby fighters hadnt spawn camped me 3 times with stun!!! i am ready to win another

[Hobo147]

come to teva and watch my mage decimate fighters :3 ive gotten 1st once and 2nd like 10+ times :3 but yeah gotta feel for archers, no fear or stifle like us :P (<---picks on archers and squishy fighters)

[themichael]

So...once mages get stiffle archers dont pwn them Like they used to anymore? =\

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[hikaichi]

D :< wait till u get ganged up 5v1 on pvp kq . so not fun D:

[zerozone01]

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/5/l_ea501962143d448080d046bfae1512bc.jpg



Yep this Kq is Very unfair for Archers

[gleeok]

You have 5 reasons why you get screwed up

1.Your build sucks

2.your gears are crappy

3.Skill empowerments must be off

4.Point is keep on poisoning and running not stopping and attacking

5. lvl4x is the worst lvl for archers. Wait till you get to 60 and start learning nature's speed double the attack rate.

[Spankle]

Kite. Archers who can do this well dominate pvp kqs.

[Lazyrogue]

This kq is really unfair to archers past 75, We have no pvp skills while mages have stifle/fear, fighters past 85 don't die and don't miss thanx to BK weapons not to mention they have stun aoe -.-, and clerics, well they just won't die unless stunned. Archers are always targeted cuz it's mostly fighters and mages will fear/stifle those near them so archers got nothing to protect themselves. This is really annoying. Btw, if you archers are winning in the lower lvls wait till 75, then you will have lotsa trouble winning.

[brammy]

whats the purpuse of the pvp kq

[DincaTinel]

This kq is really unfair to archers past 75, We have no pvp skills while mages have stifle/fear, fighters past 85 don't die and don't miss thanx to BK weapons not to mention they have stun aoe -.-, and clerics, well they just won't die unless stunned. Archers are always targeted cuz it's mostly fighters and mages will fear/stifle those near them so archers got nothing to protect themselves. This is really annoying. Btw, if you archers are winning in the lower lvls wait till 75, then you will have lotsa trouble winning.



Archers will get tons of pvp skils just take a look

http://www.fiestaonline.net/guide/listSkill.asp?classType=3

[Madcharo]

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/5/l_ea501962143d448080d046bfae1512bc.jpg



Yep this Kq is Very unfair for Archers

0 HP stones. Lol. :eek:

[Madcharo]

What's wrong with KSing fighters? I don't see any rule that says KSing PvP kills is against the rules... It's not like we're monsters D:

[cruelbear]

I actually think Clerics have a hard time unless they find the hammer first or they have a +9 weapon. Yeah, they don't die easily, but they don't exactly do a lot of damage either.

[iAmBao]

Archers will get tons of pvp skils just take a look

http://www.fiestaonline.net/guide/listSkill.asp?classType=3

lol 110 cap.
that'll happen soon.

[themichael]

Actually, there has been talk about archers getting immobalize around 50.
But its probably just a rumor.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

Actually, there has been talk about archers getting immobalize around 50.
But its probably just a rumor.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

it's called entrap and the rumors have been around since CB




Peace:cool:

[jaxman13]

ur looking at the KQ as logic not as humans will treat it...as a fighter wen ever i move i am immediatly bombarded by mages and archers wanting to kill us fighters and clerics. The only reasons fighters and clerics win are because 75% of the ppl in the PvP Kqs are fighters/clerics. anyways not all classes were created very equal in PvP terms.

[themichael]

ur looking at the KQ as logic not as humans will treat it...as a fighter wen ever i move i am immediatly bombarded by mages and archers wanting to kill us fighters and clerics. The only reasons fighters and clerics win are because 75% of the ppl in the PvP Kqs are fighters/clerics. anyways not all classes were created very equal in PvP terms.

Well not till around lvl 110 at least. :D

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

that's right! we can steal your weapons then, mwahahaha




Peace:cool:

[themichael]

Yea that move is so cool but...unfair too.
Something tells me if Us ever does get to 110 other classes are gonna be complaining about us rather than fighters.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[whatever1234567]

Yea that move is so cool but...unfair too.
Something tells me if Us ever does get to 110 other classes are gonna be complaining about us rather than fighters.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Well at least mages won't cause we'll just dispell it and if we can't then we just have ranged attacks. Also if we can't dispell it that means clerics can cure it.

[fireyair]

Well at least mages won't cause we'll just dispell it and if we can't then we just have ranged attacks. Also if we can't dispell it that means clerics can cure it.

you really don't get it, WE TAKE AWAY YOUR DAMN WEAPONS! DISPELL THAT!




Peace:cool:

[zerozone01]

Lmao good one

[DF001]

lol an archer on my PVP KQ won because I got skill glitch for 5 minutes, she had help form her guildie and she was always killing the players I was PKing >.>

[fireyair]

lol an archer on my PVP KQ won because I got skill glitch for 5 minutes, she had help form her guildie and she was always killing the players I was PKing >.>

we archers call that skill



Peace:cool:

[whatever1234567]

you really don't get it, WE TAKE AWAY YOUR DAMN WEAPONS! DISPELL THAT!




Peace:cool:

Thats all? (Glad he always keeps his weapon in his skill bar) And if you make it so we can't equip our weapon thats still not as bad as a stun i can just run out of range. I can still nova you while i run away (yes mages can use nova w/o a weapon)

[Shaden]

Thats all? (Glad he always keeps his weapon in his skill bar) And if you make it so we can't equip our weapon thats still not as bad as a stun i can just run out of range. I can still nova you while i run away (yes mages can use nova w/o a weapon)

Run from an Archer? o;

Run while casting Nova? o; o;

[whatever1234567]

Run from an Archer? o;

Run while casting Nova? o; o;

Stiffle when we see you coming then nova nova while being disarmed then run. I would think archers would start with disarm on mages or your gonna get feared.

[fireyair]

Stiffle when we see you coming then nova nova while being disarmed then run. I would think archers would start with disarm on mages or your gonna get feared.

nova while we're feared? original




Peace:cool:

[whatever1234567]

<-- Idiot just realized he could look up future mage skills.

Hmm i could put you to sleep with mezmerize. Summon a monster, Freeze you, Stun( electrocutetion attack) Or instead of run i blink away :D

[fireyair]

<-- Idiot just realized he could look up future mage skills.

Hmm i could put you to sleep with mezmerize. Summon a monster, Freeze you, Stun( electrocutetion attack) Or instead of run i blink away :D

you can't blink away if i entrap you... oh god this is ridiculus...




Peace:cool:

[soleinstinct]

They took away nova w/o weapons =.= so stupid

[soulowner]

lol all is fine, just get out the damn axe from the game and all will be fair, or make a overpowered weapon for archers, mages and clerics -.-

[BreederWerewolf]

I really don't care for the pvp KQ at all.. i havent tried with my archer just once with my fighter .. and really as everyone has said the way to win is to KS ... gee isn't that great glorify something that can get you jailed in the rest of the game ... anyway ..just my silly opinion i not a huge pvp fan anyway just here and ther ein fbz for some fun when i get tired of grinding

[redjumpsuitapparatus]

LOL just get high evasion.......... i have 1k at lv82 with t4 eva and alot of misses are happening... then if u get the hammer ... u have higher chance of surviving :) and avoiding stun

[whatever1234567]

you can't blink away if i entrap you... oh god this is ridiculus...




Peace:cool:

Fine then you start with entrap i stiffle then fear you before you can disarm me :P start with disarm nova then i run

(You serious sole? For the 8 months my mage has had an aoe attack he has always been able to use them w/o a weapon and then the week my dad takes my comp they change it?)

[fireyair]

Fine then you start with entrap i stiffle then fear you before you can disarm me :P start with disarm nova then i run

(You serious sole? For the 8 months my mage has had an aoe attack he has always been able to use them w/o a weapon and then the week my dad takes my comp they change it?)

welcome to Outspark!



Peace:cool:

[whatever1234567]

welcome to Outspark!



Peace:cool:

Lol i know its just ironic that the week i have nothing to do but go on the forumns my info is wrong XD

[Orchids_Mantis]

Really it's tankers that get screwed in the pvp KQ. They don't damage enough to kill most players before an archer or mage decides to steal it then kill them (or before the axe fighter they are fighting comes out of stun and shreds them), and they can't use potions to help heal when attacked, so their survivability is even lower than a cleric's (since they can heal -and do so while running now).

As for the OP...I have no idea what they are talking about. Let's se...attacking from range, poisoning, running away when attacked while continuing to attack, attacking from behind walls...yeah...archers have it tough.

And fighters can't stun the person with the hammer unless the person with the hammer lags -they can attack before fighters can finish stun or devastate, so that argument is out as well.

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

no offense
but yall archers are hard to hit XD

i keep missing ;-;

[alicina]

no offense
but yall archers are hard to hit XD

i keep missing ;-;

Lol, I don't think archers find that offensive. I think they find that fairly good. :D

[warlock-9107]

Lol my Tanking Fighter has won 5 times in a row, and the whole time the only ones who messed with me was the archers and mages. The only times I almost lost was due to an archer or mage that was lower then me, don't know how that works.Sometimes a fighter with all t3 tried to kill me. If the archer has a good build and is good at the class then they are fine, but kiting doesn't work when you enemy runs the other way lol

[DF001]

no one can kill you if you have t3 speed.

[wet_noxious]

just learn to be the best , i had an amazing KQ that everyone killed me and guess what , the 1st place was on an archer , 32 of 1 kill at the end :/ , why xD , he was good lol >.> , +9 armor and scroll :/ , but still noone killed him , i was talkign abt the 55-~... pvp kq , when i was playing with my cleric , but one thing u want to know , the most screwed ppl in the pvp KQts are probably those who dont use SC items thats the deal , try a 75 lvl mage with only scrollz on a capped warrior with +9z and a t4 mdef and extenders or a capped paladin or a capped archer or any one of those who is using sc :/ so ye , its not the archers that cant do the KQ its the person , learn to play , get a t3 speed and run us all , get the hammer , run run BAM! ... and agian lol when u die , u lose :/ , the point of the deamn KQ is to be the best ;D

[warlock-9107]

I don't use any T3 scrolls, i stick to the cheap stuff. All T1 scrolls. Sc users are ok when there is no hammer present, but as soon as someone gets they are just as in trouble as anyone else.

[thedragonblade]

wat rep system?

[fireyair]

I don't use any T3 scrolls, i stick to the cheap stuff. All T1 scrolls. Sc users are ok when there is no hammer present, but as soon as someone gets they are just as in trouble as anyone else.

what level are you? i hope you're not 50+ and using a T1 scroll...



Peace:cool:

[alicina]

I suck at the PVP KQ!!! I always lose...which was once. XD
Yeah, anyways archers are good...<---I have no clue what I meant...

[boomdude111]

As previously stated, ks=win. It may be cheap, but when archers can attack almost nonstop with max cd on our aoe's, you better believe i'm burnin through my sp and attacking. And if you want to win use your head, i usually get 2nd or third, and win every now and then, without ever getting the hammer, and i am an archer with 0 dex.

And as a pure str archer who hits harder then most, just run around the edges and attack the weak link, they have low hp, blow them away, they are stunned, attack em from behind walls, it isn't hard, just make sure the hammer isn't following you ;-)

[bobweirdo]

[QUOTE=geebers18;1412603]
i had the Hammer for like 5 minutes straight, and that doesnt even happen when Clerics get it.:[QUOTE]

im a cleric, and clerics cant heal when they have the invinsible hammer, so we dont have an advantage lol

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

awwwh, i wish i was you guys ;-;

i always lose pvp kq
lol i always make it either 10-15 XD

i die like 8320950250 of times, but i KS XDD


im a mage ;-; a squishy one :X

sigh~
o_o i need to buy some extenders ...
and + my gear >.>

YAY for squishyness >:D

~back on topic
seiroulsy? archers?
wow i get pawned by them XD
thye hit really hard O_O

just wait, about 5 mins into the game, everyone KNOWS
im the squishiest XD

so they all go for me ;-;
(i run tho XD)


haha but sometimes if i get lucky, i run by a BIG FIGHT with a bunch of ppl

i CC inferno >:D AND THEY ALL DIE
muahaha O_O

[alicina]

awwwh, i wish i was you guys ;-;

i always lose pvp kq
lol i always make it either 10-15 XD

i die like 8320950250 of times, but i KS XDD


im a mage ;-; a squishy one :X

sigh~
o_o i need to buy some extenders ...
and + my gear >.>

YAY for squishyness >:D

~back on topic
seiroulsy? archers?
wow i get pawned by them XD
thye hit really hard O_O

just wait, about 5 mins into the game, everyone KNOWS
im the squishiest XD

so they all go for me ;-;
(i run tho XD)


haha but sometimes if i get lucky, i run by a BIG FIGHT with a bunch of ppl

i CC inferno >:D AND THEY ALL DIE
muahaha O_O

LOL! I'm squishy too. :D
And I get pwned bbaaaaddd!!! <3 YAY! :p

[nurfy]

lol archers are horrible in all pvp

[themichael]

An archer can easily hold his own against a cleric their lvl (Without kiting) Because they are so weak. And Are notorious For killing mages.
Its JUst those +9 Axe barbarians that kill us SOOO easily if we dont attack 1st at max distance.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Kyo_Sama]

the obvious flaw in this is that you cant use pots in this kq...

also unless your stunned the ice shield in itself is not a god tool. yes it can be used as a pot to revitalize you to full hp when stunned but nothing else.

[rkspark]

While i cant say that ive read the whole thread, i can tell of my experiences of pvp kq. As a strong archer I often find myself chasing down many ppl who run away from me because of my high dex and all of their misses. So best solution is get hammer or go for squishy mages, I often choose the latter ^^. Ive yet to see the 55-69 pvp (which will have more extender, charms, +9's) with my archer but once i get higher up their ill test it out. My conclusion would be it isnt the archer that sucks its the person deciding how to make it ;3 at least for now in pvp kq.

note - in stat points 10str-30dex-14spr, Gear-High end/dex, No +9 ^^

note 2- My strategy would be go for either a low in hp mage (fast point), or like someone said earlier find ppl to ks, and even sometimes i kill the brave +9 axe fighter who goes for me ^^

last note xD- when i am teamed i start kiting until i can regain my hp which doesnt take very long, and even those scary +9 axes mean nothing when every hit is a miss.