Should killing other players be allowed in Abyss

[aptbid2002]

I hate it when I'm trying to lvl up in the abyss and some 70+ comes by and kills me for no reason. I lose XP and scrolls which = silver. Should they continue to allow this to go on?

[Jhanniss]

I hate it when I'm trying to lvl up in the abyss and some 70+ comes by and kills me for no reason. I lose XP and scrolls which = silver. Should they continue to allow this to go on?

I say remove the exp bonus, the drop bonus, and all the other +'s that make the Abyss so attractive and then see if people like it.

[DF001]

omg don't want to die, don't go to abyss! so sick of these pointless threads

[undefined]

I'm sick of these threads too.. while I hate going in abyss because of PKers...I'd rather be spawn-killed than continue to see people whining about something they can avoid.

[azinna]

There should be separate servers, one for PvE (with PKing disabled in all areas) and one for PvP. Problem solved.

[aptbid2002]

There should be a sense of sportmanship in the abyss. If someone doesn't want to fight then leave them alone. I should be agreed upon in two people want to fight, not just willy nilly. And that wasn't a threat, that was a promise.

[zues8844]

1). Stop flaming/arguing. It's pointless and doesn't help.

2). The Abyss is PvP because of the extra xp and drops. If you're afraid of dying, go train somewhere else.

3). /end.

[DF001]

There should be a sense of sportmanship in the abyss. If someone doesn't want to fight then leave them alone. I should be agreed upon in two people want to fight, not just willy nilly. And that wasn't a threat, that was a promise.

''Sportmanship'' lol. If someone doesn't want to fight then they shouldn't go to PvP ZONES.

1). Stop flaming/arguing. It's pointless and doesn't help.

2). The Abyss is PvP because of the extra xp and drops. If you're afraid of dying, go train somewhere else.

3). /end.

meh, she is angry from a single death

[zues8844]

There should be a sense of sportmanship in the abyss. If someone doesn't want to fight then leave them alone. I should be agreed upon in two people want to fight, not just willy nilly. And that wasn't a threat, that was a promise.

There should be some "common sense" and the ability to realize that it's YOUR fault you went in, KNOWING the risks, and you accepted that. There is no reason to rage against the system because of YOUR choices. Sportsmanship is an illusion. In the Abyss, it is ruled by those who are strong. If you want "sportmanship", find a different place to grind.

[DF001]

Zues owned the thread already, someone close it.

[Jhanniss]

A lot of people lack common sense in real life, let alone when playing a game.

We can cite the "McDonald hot coffee spilled in lap" (ie 'omg why did it burn me').

If you don't like PVP in the abyss and want to quit Fiesta over such, I hear the Hello Kitty MMO is coming out soon, you can always head there.

[KateeHellen]

I honestly think that it comes time for OS staff to get out from thier hideout and take serious actions in this issue.
I do not want to use harsh words toward staff but i start to be really tired that they are apparently UNABLE to handle any crisis because they are afraid to exposing themself at sometimes heavy fire from side of community.
BUT soon or later this MUST be done, otherwise we loose last sparks of unity here <IF there is any>.
It is only a matter of time when serious flame threads about what is going on in abysses will start to appear here.
Furthermore i am now neutral in this argument <i take another break from game> but i see that defence base of pkers witch they try to justify thier deed is very weak and honestly they are lacking of logical arguments <except hiding behind pvp rule> to really backed up thier actions.
On the other hand antypkers side will grow more and more hostile and will fire each times from bigger guns and if staff will remain in stance "This is not our problem" Fiesta will turn in really unpleasant place...
It is make me sad to see how Fiesta fail from +5 rating when i start play to weak +1 <using my personal rating> and current pvp issues do not help to rise this rating.
I do not want to play dark prophet but so far i see very dark future for Fiesta but i really hope that i am wrong... :(

[DF001]

lol I voted no because I was answering the question on the title. >_>

[zues8844]

Katee, we have a VERY devoted team. They spend HOURS on back breaking labor, such as introducing new (SC) mounts, new (SC) items, and new options (through SC).

Besides, they thought up a way to deal with PK'ers. Blessings of Teva and Charms/Cookies work well, don't they?

[KateeHellen]

Katee, we have a VERY devoted team. They spend HOURS on back breaking labor, such as introducing new (SC) mounts, new (SC) items, and new options (through SC).

Besides, they thought up a way to deal with PK'ers. Blessings of Teva and Charms/Cookies work well, don't they?

:rolleyes:How true this is...
And honestly when someone will still claim that Fiesta is F2P game... well good luck for him and i wish well in abysses ;).

[DF001]

You don't have to pay to play the game, but you need SC to survive, on some cases.

[KiSsGod]

I think killing in abyss should be allowed. Its suppost to be a place where you can fight for the right to grind in a room etc. But i dont agree to people non-stop killing in abyss or killing harassment/spawn killing =/.

[DF001]

I think killing in abyss should be allowed. Its suppost to be a place where you can fight for the right to grind in a room etc. But i dont agree to people non-stop killing in abyss or killing harassment/spawn killing =/.

Unless the players that get ''spawn killed'' desearve to be spawn killed. Mostly the PKers get harassed, not vice-versa.

[aptbid2002]

My main point is this, if I go into the abyss to help people lvl then I shouldn't have to deal with other players trying to kill me. I would not usually be mad about the kill but my Teva had just ran out :( and I had spent 50s on T3 scrolls so I could help my fellow players. I think that if people want to PVP then there should be a option to do that in the abyss. When you go in it askes "Do you want to fight PVP style, Yes, No" If you answer yes then you can kill/be killed other players, if not the you can't. The whole reason I was in the abyss was to help others lvl and to get some extra drops. I think that if you wanted to PVP then it should be an option. I am a player that chooses to help others not destroy others. I just wish there were more players out there that chose the same path, but they are probably little kids that think being mean is better, such as the obvious one's that replied to this post. The better the community the better the game. Killing ppl for no reason makes people stop playing, which in turn reduces the amount of ppl to play with, which also means less $$$ for Fiesta. I spend up to 200 dollars a month between my chars and my wifes. That money may just go away if stuff like this isn't handled properly.

[DF001]

My main point is this, if I go into the abyss to help people lvl then I shouldn't have to deal with other players trying to kill me. I would not usually be mad about the kill but my Teva had just ran out :( and I had spent 50s on T3 scrolls so I could help my fellow players. I think that if people want to PVP then there should be a option to do that in the abyss. When you go in it askes "Do you want to fight PVP style, Yes, No" If you answer yes then you can kill/be killed other players, if not the you can't. The whole reason I was in the abyss was to help others lvl and to get some extra drops. I think that if you wanted to PVP then it should be an option. I am a player that chooses to help others not destroy others. I just wish there were more players out there that chose the same path, but they are probably little kids that think being mean is better, such as the obvious one's that replied to this post. The better the community the better the game. Killing ppl for no reason makes people stop playing, which in turn reduces the amount of ppl to play with, which also means less $$$ for Fiesta. I spend up to 200 dollars a month between my chars and my wifes. That money may just go away if stuff like this isn't handled properly.

Yes you do have to deal with that problem because abyss is a PvP zone! Just go level somewhere else, geez, it's not that hard. I'm not being mean, I am being obvious. And whoever quits just because of dying in abyss is stupid. Also, what you said makes me think you are account sharing.

[Jhanniss]

News update in business.

People come, people go. Cash flow comes and cash flow goes.

They're doing well enough at this point that we don't see much changing so what is the point in crying about losing paying customers when each one is replaced with a newbie buyer?

[aptbid2002]

News update in business.

People come, people go. Cash flow comes and cash flow goes.

They're doing well enough at this point that we don't see much changing so what is the point in crying about losing paying customers when each one is replaced with a newbie buyer?

That's a great way to loose business. Do us all a favor and don't go into marketing when you Grow Up.

[aptbid2002]

News update in business.

People come, people go. Cash flow comes and cash flow goes.

They're doing well enough at this point that we don't see much changing so what is the point in crying about losing paying customers when each one is replaced with a newbie buyer?

Hahahaha, you are sad, you can't argue properly.

What's to argue with, you made your point at least three times already and you made a statement which you can't back up.

[Jhanniss]

That's a great way to loose business. Do us all a favor and don't go into marketing when you Grow Up.

Well its obvious fact of life. Some people have trouble dealing with the reality of it.

I'm about as grown up as I'll get. I'm waiting for everyone else to catch up.

[Shadowic2]

Lets keep the personal insults to a minimum shall we? If we can't debate civilly I'll have to close this.

The Abyss is a PvP zone due to the fact that you can get better exp and drops in these areas than you can from the outside. This creates a sense of competition between the players who share this area. It's meant for players to compete against each other so they can continue to use the area for experience and items. If there wasn't PvP in these areas they'd be overcroweded and it would throw off the balance since nowhere outside these zones can a player get that much good exp and drops.

But with all good things there is a price. And that price is the risk of being killed.

While I do not agree with the new level restrictions and the loss of exp, I do think that PvP is necessary in these places.

When entering a PvP zone you assume the risks associated with it and you must be prepared to fend off any attackers. If you don't wish to PvP, then leave the area, or at least try to find some secluded area on the map where people aren't there. I don't like to PvP so when I do enter an Abyss I try to find myself a nice quiet corner to avoid any confrontation, however, I do understand that there is a risk that someone will come along and try to kill me. And I won't go down without a fight.

[KateeHellen]

Hahahaha, you are sad, you can't argue properly.

Because there is no common points to discussion whit you<and anyone who deffend pking in abyss>.
And i start to see now very clear double standards ruling in abyss.
Pkers can do what they please <even mass spawn kill> but people affected by thier actions have been PERMANENT STRIPED OUT FROM ANY RIGHTS just because this place is now crazy kill zone:mad:
Furthermore spawn killers are innocent because they only deffend themself from being harassed by people witch they just kill...
Did anyone see here some sick logic?
Note for all harassed by player killers "DO NOT bother staff whit your movies and screnshots becaue they will not help you and honestly you are now on your own."
And to end... Jhanniss is correct.
This game will live but i start to really doubt if anyone who will reach +50 will bother to go forward if current "quality" of gameplay will remain as standard.
Once more, Gratulations OS for plain ruin this once fantastic and player friendly game.

[aptbid2002]

Lets keep the personal insults to a minimum shall we? If we can't debate civilly I'll have to close this.

The Abyss is a PvP zone due to the fact that you can get better exp and drops in these areas than you can from the outside. This creates a sense of competition between the players who share this area. It's meant for players to compete against each other so they can continue to use the area for experience and items. If there wasn't PvP in these areas they'd be overcroweded and it would throw off the balance since nowhere outside these zones can a player get that much good exp and drops.

But with all good things there is a price. And that price is the risk of being killed.

While I do not agree with the new level restrictions and the loss of exp, I do think that PvP is necessary in these places.

When entering a PvP zone you assume the risks associated with it and you must be prepared to fend off any attackers. If you don't wish to PvP, then leave the area, or at least try to find some secluded area on the map where people aren't there. I don't like to PvP so when I do enter an Abyss I try to find myself a nice quiet corner to avoid any confrontation, however, I do understand that there is a risk that someone will come along and try to kill me. And I won't go down without a fight.

Fine, leave PVP in the abyss but get rid of the EXP loss.

[aptbid2002]

I think I'm gonna go to the lower level abyss' tonight and pwn everyone in there, just so I can feel what it's like to be a jerk.

[KateeHellen]

Lets keep the personal insults to a minimum shall we? If we can't debate civilly I'll have to close this.

The Abyss is a PvP zone due to the fact that you can get better exp and drops in these areas than you can from the outside. This creates a sense of competition between the players who share this area. It's meant for players to compete against each other so they can continue to use the area for experience and items. If there wasn't PvP in these areas they'd be overcroweded and it would throw off the balance since nowhere outside these zones can a player get that much good exp and drops.

But with all good things there is a price. And that price is the risk of being killed.

While I do not agree with the new level restrictions and the loss of exp, I do think that PvP is necessary in these places.

When entering a PvP zone you assume the risks associated with it and you must be prepared to fend off any attackers. If you don't wish to PvP, then leave the area, or at least try to find some secluded area on the map where people aren't there. I don't like to PvP so when I do enter an Abyss I try to find myself a nice quiet corner to avoid any confrontation, however, I do understand that there is a risk that someone will come along and try to kill me. And I won't go down without a fight.

Your post is correct BUT you <and as i see many who deffend pvp> plainly miss one crucial point.
And i mean SPAWN KILLERS witch sit near gate.
I can deffend myself if someone will try kill me when i have Freedom of movement BUT what i can do if i spawn behind gate and during idle state <when i can do plainly nothing> i will be killed by some jerk who will wait for easy prey...
IS THAT FAIR in your mind?
I have no doubt that most complains will stop if chance for spawn kill will be thrown out of the PvP window.

[Tamlinari]

It really wouldn't be so bad if they would put the level locks back in place and remove the exp loss from being killed by another player.
That was a big mistake.

It needs to be put back the way it was before.
There were no significant complaints about the Abyss back before they changed it.

Now there are much higher level players in the Abyss that are there for no other reason but to cause trouble and harass those players that are way below their own level.
They don't get any exp from the mobs there so they are normally there for the purpose of harassing other players.

It was a really bad idea to allow this to happen.
I know that Outspark is trying to make it work but it is a disaster.
Ignorant and degenerate people have very little self control, if any and have to be forced to behave themselves.
I say that it should be put back to the way it was before.

[Jhanniss]

Well I'm surprised people are still ongoing on this issue about the Abyss.

Honestly, Outspark has already put why it's like that: Blessing of Teva sales. Recommended and re-recommended alongside whatever other method of advertising is possible (in-game server wide announcements, in forum posts, in responses to emails/complaints, and in event descriptions)

It boils down to sales. Yes, I'm sure some will stop buying but BoT is something that will never stop selling because of the protection it gives.

[DF001]

Lets keep the personal insults to a minimum shall we? If we can't debate civilly I'll have to close this.

The Abyss is a PvP zone due to the fact that you can get better exp and drops in these areas than you can from the outside. This creates a sense of competition between the players who share this area. It's meant for players to compete against each other so they can continue to use the area for experience and items. If there wasn't PvP in these areas they'd be overcroweded and it would throw off the balance since nowhere outside these zones can a player get that much good exp and drops.

But with all good things there is a price. And that price is the risk of being killed.

While I do not agree with the new level restrictions and the loss of exp, I do think that PvP is necessary in these places.

When entering a PvP zone you assume the risks associated with it and you must be prepared to fend off any attackers. If you don't wish to PvP, then leave the area, or at least try to find some secluded area on the map where people aren't there. I don't like to PvP so when I do enter an Abyss I try to find myself a nice quiet corner to avoid any confrontation, however, I do understand that there is a risk that someone will come along and try to kill me. And I won't go down without a fight.

I got called a loser and a retarded, why isn't this thread closed?

[KateeHellen]

By the way, did someone wonder why there is so few drops now in regular maps? <not so long ago(two days) i must kill around 8 orcs to get single dust, when month ago each killed mob drop something.>
I sense here a plot "Want drops?, go to abyss BUT before you go there Buy BoT and War Rant in CS to have good grind time..."
I think OS cannot implement full PvP without loosing current age rating <you cannot have +13 game whit PvP system (minimal age for game whit pvp is 16)> so they will do subtle changes witch will leave no other options as go to abysses if we will need mats for sale.

[Tamahiki]

By the way, did someone wonder why there is so few drops now in regular maps? <not so long ago(two days) i must kill around 8 orcs to get single dust, when month ago each killed mob drop something.>
I sense here a plot "Want drops?, go to abyss BUT before you go there Buy BoT and War Rant in CS to have good grind time..."

Ive had similar issues like that..but that was only because im in BR as a lvl 68...so yep
I got called a loser and a retarded, why isn't this thread closed?
Good question... -pets cat on my lap-

[Shadowic2]

Your post is correct BUT you <and as i see many who deffend pvp> plainly miss one crucial point.
And i mean SPAWN KILLERS witch sit near gate.
I can deffend myself if someone will try kill me when i have Freedom of movement BUT what i can do if i spawn behind gate and during idle state <when i can do plainly nothing> i will be killed by some jerk who will wait for easy prey...
IS THAT FAIR in your mind?
I have no doubt that most complains will stop if chance for spawn kill will be thrown out of the PvP window.

As I said before, I don't care much for PvP so I'm not much defending it, but I do understand the reasons behind it and why people enjoy it. And I respect that.

I do not think that Spawn killing is right or fair. I find it very distasteful.

Though what would you propose as far as a solution that would take Spawn Killing out of the picture? Suggestions as to how Outspark and OnsOnSoft can better resolve this would probably be helpful.

Maybe a sort of a safe zone around the gate where players cannot attack until they move out of that zone?

Sometimes voicing suggestions can be more effective than just voicing how much a person dislikes something ^^


And DF001, this thread isn't closed because those posts were removed and a warning was issued. And this thread does hold some merit as far as a discussion goes. But if the flaming/bickering/etc continues then a close may be necessary.

[Tamahiki]

As I said before, I don't care much for PvP so I'm not much defending it, but I do understand the reasons behind it and why people enjoy it. And I respect that.

I do not think that Spawn killing is right or fair. I find it very distasteful.

Though what would you propose as far as a solution that would take Spawn Killing out of the picture? Suggestions as to how Outspark and OnsOnSoft can better resolve this would probably be helpful.

Maybe a sort of a safe zone around the gate where players cannot attack until they move out of that zone?

Maybe..like um..maybe when your killed you can be spawned to a map like the forest perimeter with its own stone merchant, but you cant get in and when you spawn into eld or roumen...if they GW there O.o....you dont have to wrry about the spawn killing because the area surrounding the gate person is sorta like a neutral zone? iunno DF001 tear this apart so you can make sense of wat im trying to say :/

[DF001]

She is just just saying, that when you die in abyss you should be spawned to a map like Forest Perimeter, but not Eld or Roumen if there is a GW. And that there should be a safe zone near the Gate.

That's what I think you were trying to say

[Tamahiki]

ty ty much more specific to my point ;o Is this not a good idea? yes or no or maybe?

[DF001]

I don't really agree with the safe zone, because, from experience, I am sure that the players that got PK'd would swear at me in the safe zone after I kill them.

Getting warped to Elderine and Roumen isn't really a good idea because we would have to walk miles. Maybe warping in Forest of perimeter could be good but guild wars can also happen there.

[KateeHellen]

It was submited in other threads about abysses that gate area should have neutral status <as big as thier AoE where you cannot set a mushie for rest> in order to get respawned player chance to comeback to his spot or leave such area without risk of constant kill.
I will not even suggest full removing of PvP aspect from abysses but all we need now is to cool down entire situation.
And if changing gate status is rather impossible then good solution could be some sort of "Spawn point Guard" or accually couple such guards <depend on abyss size> and make respawn points random but whit neutral zone.
And i agree that we need start serious discussion about finding solution witch will please all affected sides.

EDIT: DF cursing IS a ToS violation <especially when such person goes way over board> but i might say "If you do not like to be victim of smearing do not go to abyss" ;).
I am not sure if we will find good solution for this problem...

[Tamahiki]

mhm mhm i see where your goin here...maybe disabling GW in Forest perimeter then? We need more ppl to give ideas :/

[DF001]

Maybe just random spawns in the abyss near the gate, like in the FBZs, but not that random.

[Tamahiki]

A good idea, but i see this becoming an issue with larger guilds that can camp at the different areas all at once because of their immense size. Maybe onto something tho ;o

[KateeHellen]

You cannot call random spawning near one certain point.
Whole idea of random respawn points is that you will never known where you respawn.
You might respawn direct at the gate but you might respawn at the second end of abyss.
So this <potential> might remove chance for succesfull spawn kill camping only in one point and force pkers to run over entire abyss :)

[DF001]

Just so they can whisper at me and laugh..?

[Tamahiki]

-gives cookies- ...-whispers and chases-

[borednl]

If anyone does not like the PK'ing going on in the abyss, please feel free to create a PKK thread for your server.

For Apoline, here is the thread: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129581

So far we have enlisted the help of 38 characters and we are growing every day. :)

[pacman33]

There should be separate servers, one for PvE (with PKing disabled in all areas) and one for PvP. Problem solved.

u know what i think? I think u all should probably man-up and maybe stop dying in the abyss and fight your battles instead of just getting pwned all the time -.-

[KateeHellen]

u know what i think? I think u all should probably man-up and maybe stop dying in the abyss and fight your battles instead of just getting pwned all the time -.-

Not again...
You apparently do not even bother to read this thread, because if you do you will not post such pointless post.
People who complain about being spawn killed by the gate where pkers camp ONLY IN ORDER TO STACK UP KILL POINTS.
I really do not known what words i should use to make clear what major problem is in abysses...

[Ciocolajs]

My oppinion : YES THEY SHOULD KEEP THE PVP IN ABYSS CAUSE I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEE TO SING SHE SAID TO ME! Pop it D man
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keep it green

[claibsands]

Killing in abyss doesnt phase me as much..
But what makes me sick is higher lvls in the lower abyss!!

Go to your own abyss where it can be a challenge!
Do players feel strong when they are lvl 36 killing a lvl20?????

-.-

[KiSsGod]

Unless the players that get ''spawn killed'' desearve to be spawn killed. Mostly the PKers get harassed, not vice-versa.

Most of the time a person gets spawn killed, they dont deserve it x_X. Its even low if they do deserve it.

[Miazma]

My main point is this, if I go into the abyss to help people lvl then I shouldn't have to deal with other players trying to kill me.

Your reason for entering the Abyss is because the experience is fast, the mobs do low damage and they drop a lot of items. Regardless of if you are helping people level you are a target because it is PVP. Simplest solution is dont go to the PVP map then you dont have to deal with people trying to kill you.

Your post is correct BUT you <and as i see many who deffend pvp> plainly miss one crucial point.
And i mean SPAWN KILLERS witch sit near gate.
I can deffend myself if someone will try kill me when i have Freedom of movement BUT what i can do if i spawn behind gate and during idle state <when i can do plainly nothing> i will be killed by some jerk who will wait for easy prey...
IS THAT FAIR in your mind?
I have no doubt that most complains will stop if chance for spawn kill will be thrown out of the PvP window.

Spawn killers for kill points are the pits. I do think a simple solution is to make the spawn points kill free zones.

It really wouldn't be so bad if they would put the level locks back in place and remove the exp loss from being killed by another player.
That was a big mistake.

It needs to be put back the way it was before.
There were no significant complaints about the Abyss back before they changed it.

Now there are much higher level players in the Abyss that are there for no other reason but to cause trouble and harass those players that are way below their own level.
They don't get any exp from the mobs there so they are normally there for the purpose of harassing other players.

It was a really bad idea to allow this to happen.
I know that Outspark is trying to make it work but it is a disaster.
Ignorant and degenerate people have very little self control, if any and have to be forced to behave themselves.
I say that it should be put back to the way it was before.

Abyss IS PVP if you dont like it, dont enter, plain and simple. The majority of people are ingame playing on these maps with no problems.

By the way, did someone wonder why there is so few drops now in regular maps? <not so long ago(two days) i must kill around 8 orcs to get single dust, when month ago each killed mob drop something.>
I sense here a plot "Want drops?, go to abyss BUT before you go there Buy BoT and War Rant in CS to have good grind time..."
I think OS cannot implement full PvP without loosing current age rating <you cannot have +13 game whit PvP system (minimal age for game whit pvp is 16)> so they will do subtle changes witch will leave no other options as go to abysses if we will need mats for sale.

I think this is going a little over the top there are loads of EMPTY non PVP maps and noone wants to use them because the mobs are harder to kill and they dont drop as many items. I certainly havent seen a decrease in drops.

I do not think that Spawn killing is right or fair. I find it very distasteful.

Though what would you propose as far as a solution that would take Spawn Killing out of the picture? Suggestions as to how Outspark and OnsOnSoft can better resolve this would probably be helpful.

Maybe a sort of a safe zone around the gate where players cannot attack until they move out of that zone?

Sometimes voicing suggestions can be more effective than just voicing how much a person dislikes something ^^

All of the Abyss's I have entered have what I would call a main foyer. If this foyer was a kill free zone it would solve the spawn killing problems.

Killing in abyss doesnt phase me as much..
But what makes me sick is higher lvls in the lower abyss!!

Go to your own abyss where it can be a challenge!
Do players feel strong when they are lvl 36 killing a lvl20????? -.-

Go to your own abyss where it can be a challenge!
Do players feel strong when they are lvl 36 killing a lvl20????? -.-

I am so over that statement. There are new lvl limits on the Abyss if you cant handle the heat then dont play with fire and grind on the non PVP maps.

[melon014]

The Abyss has better drops and exp BECAUSE its a pvp zone, its balance. Plain and Simple. It drives me crazy when people say "they should take out the pvp part of the abyss", then you wouldn't need to go anywhere else. Might as well rename the game to The Abyss or Grindfest.

The exp loss argument I halfway understand, but it still comes down to the same principle, balance.

However I would like to see a smaller range of lvl's, getting one hit by someone is annoying, but I accept it.

If your getting spawn killed report them. Or do like I do, go do quests for 10 minutes and come back. Most of the time the spawn killer gets bored and leaves. Or grab a bunch of people they spawn killed and gang up on the spawn killer.

A kill free zone with no mobs by the gate/spawn point is a good idea though, As long as ranged powers can't be used from within the free zone.

That's my 4 cents. I am now going to copy and paste this onto notepad so I don't have to recite it every time I see one of these ridiculous threads.

[Tamlinari]

Let me reiterate my previous statement.

"Ignorant and degenerate people have very little self control, if any, and have to be forced to behave themselves."

That assertion remains true no matter what your position on the current state of the Abyss is.

The loss of EXP should be rolled back to a previous state so that those who cannot buy a BoT for one reason or another are not subject to the whim of those who go to the Abyss for the purpose of harassing those who are way below their own level.

[dark94]

Abyss have always been PvP area since they have been released.

Most complains are due to the EXP lost introduced now.

When you are spawn killed, the line of harassment is not far.

Problem is when you can't go out the area because the PKer doesn't want to let you to.

2 solutions:
- safe area as it has been suggested before,
- warp in forest perimeter when you died and click move.

==> you can choose to stay in abyss and be killed again or going in a non PVP map to grind

[palmfruits]

I think PVP is fine in the abyss, but not if there's such a huge level gap. That's beyond unfair. Maybe if there were a lock after you reached a certain level which prevents you from going into the abyss. But I guess the whole locking people out after a certain level would be unfair if a high level player wanted to help out a low level player.

[DF001]

Lol, spawn kill isn't a bannable offense.

[mredlodge]

Just close the abysses for a couple months. Everyone is so dependent on them now.

[DF001]

Just close the abysses for a couple months. Everyone is so dependent on them now.

Best solution until now

[Celtic_Princess]

Lol, spawn kill isn't a bannable offense.

e) You may not threaten, harass, nor cause another player distress or create unwanted attention to other players, as interpreted or determined by Outspark support personnel at their sole and absolute discretion.

Technically, spawn killing could fall under harassment (especially in FBZ where you spawn at random points, and a few players will not let you leave the map) or under causing another player distress.

Its a very, very fine line which is why spawn killing is frowned upon in the first place.

I do think the abyss should be PvP...by all means, you pay for the high drop rate and exp with the risk of a player killing you. Heck, I wouldn't even mind the exp loss if the leaderboards hadn't been created to encourage players to cross that fine line into harassment just to up their numbers. I also think that the new level limits create a vast power difference in the players that can inhabit them. There is a major difference between a lvl 26 and a lvl 36.

Disclaimer: before all the PKers out there jump on me, I realize that not everyone spawn kills, and not everyone picks on the lower levels...but just because you don't do it yourself doesn't mean the situation doesn't exist. If this is not you, don't take it personally.

[sirviney]

Hey, What's not to like about killing noobs?

http://207.199.174.56/img/Bush-Clinton-noob.jpg

I personally find it relaxing and very stimulating at the same time.

[DF001]

Technically, spawn killing could fall under harassment (especially in FBZ where you spawn at random points, and a few players will not let you leave the map) or under causing another player distress.

Its a very, very fine line which is why spawn killing is frowned upon in the first place.

I do think the abyss should be PvP...by all means, you pay for the high drop rate and exp with the risk of a player killing you. Heck, I wouldn't even mind the exp loss if the leaderboards hadn't been created to encourage players to cross that fine line into harassment just to up their numbers. I also think that the new level limits create a vast power difference in the players that can inhabit them. There is a major difference between a lvl 26 and a lvl 36.

Disclaimer: before all the PKers out there jump on me, I realize that not everyone spawn kills, and not everyone picks on the lower levels...but just because you don't do it yourself doesn't mean the situation doesn't exist. If this is not you, don't take it personally.


No, the staff said that the only thing bannable in abyss is KSing and swearing.

[Celtic_Princess]

No, the staff said that the only thing bannable in abyss is KSing and swearing.

The two generally run hand in hand. Although, if someone's being spawn killed usually they're the one cussing o.o

I think it would depend on what GM ends up reviewing it as interpretation of the clause is up to Outsparks staff, and each person is going to have a different definition.

[DF001]

The two generally run hand in hand. Although, if someone's being spawn killed usually they're the one cussing o.o

I think it would depend on what GM ends up reviewing it as interpretation of the clause is up to Outsparks staff, and each person is going to have a different definition.

No, on my case, I spawn kill when the players cuss at ME. Which happens alot to other PKers aswell

[ashleybelle]

Hey Everyone,

Changes that will make the Abyss better and Fiesta overall;

1. Take pvp and kill points out of the abyss.

2. Add kill points to the pvp area.

End of problem....

I hope the admin will seriously consider making these changes.

Here are a few other suggestions that I and many other players have...

1. Narrow down the lvl restraints for the Warrior Code kqs. Maybe every 10 lvls, get rid of the hammer (this is not a fair evaluation of skill) and run the kqs every hour so more players can play it.

2. For us high lvls... plz make the alchemy T5 stones available at the merchant in Uruga. Plz add the learning scrolls for comp and decomp items above skill lvl 100k. It isn't right we worked so hard to max our skills and then we can't use them because the alchemy stones and learning scrolls are unavailable.

That’s all I can think of right now.

ttyl

[DF001]

you said that on my thread, and how the fame thing will make abyss better

[DemonBlitzKragor]

Hey Everyone,

Changes that will make the Abyss better and Fiesta overall;

1. Take pvp and kill points out of the abyss.

2. Add kill points to the pvp area.

End of problem....

I hope the admin will seriously consider making these changes.

Here are a few other suggestions that I and many other players have...

1. Narrow down the lvl restraints for the Warrior Code kqs. Maybe every 10 lvls, get rid of the hammer (this is not a fair evaluation of skill) and run the kqs every hour so more players can play it.

2. For us high lvls... plz make the alchemy T5 stones available at the merchant in Uruga. Plz add the learning scrolls for comp and decomp items above skill lvl 100k. It isn't right we worked so hard to max our skills and then we can't use them because the alchemy stones and learning scrolls are unavailable.

That’s all I can think of right now.

ttyl


only thing i would want to add to that is that if the pvp is being taken out, may the amazing drop rate, weakness of mobs, and amazing exp be removed also =)

[Celtic_Princess]

No, on my case, I spawn kill when the players cuss at ME. Which happens alot to other PKers aswell

I guess that street could run two ways though, I've been cussed at for killing someone in defense of my own character. I don't attack unless I'm hit first...and I still get the trashy treatment from other players. Thats a community issue, it happens to everyone unfortunately and the community a whole should be working on it.

[saueracker]

Personally i dont see why there needs to be an exp lose. However Abyss is a PVP area and people go there to duel. This is what it was made for. Abyss has a lot of good loot and exp and it needs a down side to balance it.

[thedark17]

Please stop complaining about PvP in abyss, while it has rich rewards it comes at a steep price, no one forces you to go to abyss. its your descision, and dont say its not your descision to be PvP'd anyone is fair game in abyss as long as you keep from swearing/threatning etc.

[Celtic_Princess]

Please stop complaining about PvP in abyss, while it has rich rewards it comes at a steep price, no one forces you to go to abyss. its your descision, and dont say its not your descision to be PvP'd anyone is fair game in abyss as long as you keep from swearing/threatning etc.

Please stop telling us not to express our opinion?

[saueracker]

Outspark has said it many times before. THEY LIKE the feedback...good and bad. We are supposed to let them know what we like and dislike so that they can chose how to improve fiesta using what theyve gotten from the feedback weve given them.


Forums is also a place for discussion, things are supposed to be discussed here. We all have a right to express our opinions but in a civil and respectful manner.

[UzumakiW]

Yes, as many people have already said, because of the good drops, good exp, and weak mobs, there needs to be some sort of risk to take in this, and that ends up running the risk of being killed by other players. So, yes, I believe abyss should stay as a PvP zone.

Now that that's been said, I do believe that there should be a bit more rules into what is allowed in abyss. First off, I'm not a big fan of the exp loss if you are killed by another player. Doesn't personally affect me because no one really ever attacks me (or at least if they do, they end up either getting killed or they just give up and run away). However, there definitely is the problem of people spam/spawn killing those clearly weaker then them, or they get a large group of people and team one tougher person, and personally, in my opinion, I feel this could be considered a form of harassment. Unfortunately, it is not according to the current rules of the abyss.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against PKers. I have many friends that are known PKers. However, I think there are different categories of PKing. And there are some categories of PKing that I feel should be considered harassment, including spam/spawn killing.

So, to answer the question as simply as I can to the original question, yes, I believe abyss should remain a PvP area.

[grevarith]

If you go in the abyss you are taking your own risk at what is going to happen when you go in. Only time I get upset is when they stand by the gate and kill you over and over again, before you even move from the area where come back to life. But in my case I get to enjoy their death when they do this to my nub archer. Then I see those same people dead somewhere while on my cleric asking me to revive them I just laugh and say nah just go back to town and walk or get on your mount and get back here again.

[erina1231]

killing noobs is funny. I love it. one time this married girl came in with 20 friend i killed them both. Hahaha and I was X10 and 20+ levels on them. It was so funy to kill them tho

[Shera1]

I just posted this: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132661

Please don't tell me to quit complaining, who are you to tell me that my hard earned buffs and xp aren't worth your time. Killing in the abyss when a player doesn't wish to pvp is still a violation of the RULES, as well as telling other players to leave an area and claim it as your own. And we're not all noobs; many of us have more than one pc we play. Now who sounds like the noob here?

[Serric]

Here’s the bottom line… the abyss was created for PVP. That will not change.

XP loss will not change unless they remove the mobs that actually give xp gain. If they do that, there is nothing to drop greens n blues…

So, with that, you’re left with pretty much the same as you had before. You can argue otherwise and that most certainly is your right, but the abyss is functioning as it was intended. Remember, you choose to enter the area and do so at your own risk.

I wish I had better news, but I don’t. It sucks that you go in and get killed… I’d hate it, myself. All I can say is try to go in as a group so you can fight back… or hunt in areas NOT in the abyss.

I am not trying to be snide but it is what it is…

[Nephron]

Now here's something you don't see everyday: a thread complaining about the abyss! :D

My opinion? The whole "risk and reward" concept of the abyss is perfectly logical, so I have no complaints about that. I did, however, prefer the previous abyss set-up -- locked 10-level divisions, and no exp loss when PKed. As I blathered on about in another thread, I don't feel that the new risk of exp loss is equalled by the exp/drop rewards (especially when there are not-so-nice players who go to the abyss for the sole purpose of slaughtering everyone they meet).

Anyway, I'm pretty much staying out of the abyss until it's fixed. (HA! That, ladies and gents, is called wishful thinking. :rolleyes:)

[pokemon4955]

Thats the reason why they release the ''Kill Points".When you go into abyss.It is at your own risk that you be wether be killed or not.If dont want to die.Then go somewhere else to grind:).Or having your guild members back you up.Theres copious of solutions to the problems for this._. just gotta defend yourself.

[Miazma]

Hey Everyone,

2. For us high lvls... plz make the alchemy T5 stones available at the merchant in Uruga. Plz add the learning scrolls for comp and decomp items above skill lvl 100k. It isn't right we worked so hard to max our skills and then we can't use them because the alchemy stones and learning scrolls are unavailable.

That’s all I can think of right now. ttyl

T5 wont be released for a long time yet, T5 is lvl 12x. The Recipes for Comp/Decomp have been released you just have to search hard to find them.

[spike_diamond]

I believe abyss should be on a battle request basis in pvp.
send a battle request (same as a trade request) if the person says no then there will be simply no battle between the two.

If a person decides to try and hassle someone with constant request that person can be blocked.

Not everyone that goes into abyss is there to battle,but merely there because they need recipes or specific items only found in abyss and don't have the money to buy them from others.

[melon014]

Once again, if you take out the risk of PVP in the Abyss, there is no reason to go anywhere else. Might as well delete the other maps, just make it Elderine and the Abyss.

I personally only go there for exp and drops, but I accept the risk of being pked.

[autarchaurzel]

put it this way, no risk of getting pked, no chance of finding that cool stuff (recipes/etc)

[sirg4wain]

The Pool is not properly set, I would say: Should make Kill Points and lose exp while dying by players be allowed?

I say remove the exp bonus, the drop bonus, and all the other +'s that make the Abyss so attractive and then see if people like it.

I would reply: "remove kill points and loss of exp by player killing and let's see if pk still go there."

omg don't want to die, don't go to abyss! so sick of these pointless threads

I would reply: "No Comment"
(let's the Community lose interest in the game and let's find out if you SC players will continue playing the game in only 20 people)

It Should be more logical that you gain pk points in PvP area Battle Zone and not in Abyss.. but OnsOn stated this and OUTSPARK followed.

There should be separate servers, one for PvE (with PKing disabled in all areas) and one for PvP. Problem solved.

I would say: " This is the thing that makes the most sense.. a little bit drastic maybe but many other games solved the problem this way."

There should be a sense of sportmanship in the abyss. If someone doesn't want to fight then leave them alone. I should be agreed upon in two people want to fight, not just willy nilly. And that wasn't a threat, that was a promise.

I would say: " And that's why me and others created MORALIZATOR guild (see link below) "

1). Stop flaming/arguing. It's pointless and doesn't help.

2). The Abyss is PvP because of the extra xp and drops. If you're afraid of dying, go train somewhere else.

3). /end.

I would reply: " No Comment " ( but I can't spare him from a criticism )
So, let's just do all we are allowed to, for example KQ leeching:
If I have to do something else or I just want to talk with my friends I leave my Player in the KQ leeching, If you don't like that people leech KQ don't go in that KQ; now I have to ask - and that's a good question, if you have read my previous posts, you already know the answer -
Why is KQ leeching not allowed while Spam killing in Abyss is?
(I can't post the answer my friend got from CSR but it's quite clear that the reason is not that Leeching ruins other players game experience - what about Spam Killing then? It doesn't ruins anything? - )
Other question, a more delicate one:
Why is people allowed to dress with thongs and other erotic dresses while it is not allowed to reply to other player to Shut Up ?
Moreover, why is vendor killing and afk killing seen as a sign of weakness while Spam killing is not?
(Perhaps it's because same player that support Spam kills in abyss are the same that are - in my opinion rightly - vendor killed?)
I think that I will investigate a little more about it, if you have any issue please PM me also in game, you can contact a MORALIZATOR for example.

Thanks again and Post post post: it's important to say what do you think and about what, and also join MORALIZATOR intent ( see link below) to get rid of Bad players.

Thank you dear players,
Sir Gawain

[zues8844]

Because you know the risk when you go into the Abyss, unlike when you vendor.

[f4ntome]

Because you know the risk when you go into the Abyss, unlike when you vendor.

Not at all, then if you get hacked you must be aware of the risk that the game isn't safe, if you get chain guild war you should be aware that you are in a Battle Guild and so chain guildwarring should be allowed while it isn't.
I can't agree with you, at all...



:D

[zues8844]

Of course, we're not talking about hacking here, so I can't agree with YOU, because you're totally off-topic. But thanks for trying anyway.

Also, about 60% of your paragraph made no sesne due to run on sentences and dumb examples. Next time you try to argue, please do so intelligently.

[ashleybelle]

you said that on my thread, and how the fame thing will make abyss better
These changes will make the Abyss better for everyone except pkers like U. Why don’t you stop posting. If you don’t have anything intelligent to say.
Here’s the bottom line… the abyss was created for PVP. That will not change.
XP loss will not change unless they remove the mobs that actually give xp gain. If they do that, there is nothing to drop greens n blues…
So, with that, you’re left with pretty much the same as you had before. You can argue otherwise and that most certainly is your right, but the abyss is functioning as it was intended. Remember, you choose to enter the area and do so at your own risk.
I wish I had better news, but I don’t. It sucks that you go in and get killed… I’d hate it, myself. All I can say is try to go in as a group so you can fight back… or hunt in areas NOT in the abyss.
I am not trying to be snide but it is what it is…
T5 wont be released for a long time yet, T5 is lvl 12x. The Recipes for Comp/Decomp have been released you just have to search hard to find them.
You would think that someone making the decisions around here would be intelligent enough to realize that they are seeing soooooo many threads about the Abyss because it is not functioning as intended and most of the players DO NOT like it. I don’t know who you are, Serric, or if I can trust what you say but if this is true;
I will never be able to buy T5 Stones at the merchant in Uruga.
I will never be able to buy the learning scrolls I need at the skill Master.
The only place I might every find my learning scrolls is WHERE??????????????????
The slaughter house? Oh the Abyss (which will never change) where they rarely every drop anyway?
Ok…..then there is no point in me playing this game anymore.
This is my last suggestion to fix this situation. If you want to keep the Abyss functioning for the loser pkers of the game fine…but provide what the good players need outside of the abyss. Is that possible for you guys to do????
I need the T5 stones now. Is it too hard to make them available? I need to be able to buy the learning scrolls I need. Is it too hard to put them in the Skill Master list? All the drops I get are useless without them!
And one more thing is it too hard to make the quests for each lvl give enough exp to get to the next lvl or at least close to it? The game becomes very boring having to grind for hours to get to the next lvl just to get 2 quests that cover 1/8 of the exp needed for the next lvl.
killing noobs is funny. I love it. one time this married girl came in with 20 friend i killed them both. Hahaha and I was X10 and 20+ levels on them. It was so funy to kill them tho
What is your player’s name? So I can make sure to pwn you every time I see you! Hahahahaa!
I just posted this: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132661
Please don't tell me to quit complaining, who are you to tell me that my hard earned buffs and xp aren't worth your time. Killing in the abyss when a player doesn't wish to pvp is still a violation of the RULES, as well as telling other players to leave an area and claim it as your own. And we're not all noobs; many of us have more than one pc we play. Now who sounds like the noob here?
I believe abyss should be on a battle request basis in pvp.
send a battle request (same as a trade request) if the person says no then there will be simply no battle between the two.
If a person decides to try and hassle someone with constant request that person can be blocked.
Not everyone that goes into abyss is there to battle,but merely there because they need recipes or specific items only found in abyss and don't have the money to buy them from others.
Because there is no common points to discussion whit you<and anyone who deffend pking in abyss>.
And i start to see now very clear double standards ruling in abyss.
Pkers can do what they please <even mass spawn kill> but people affected by thier actions have been PERMANENT STRIPED OUT FROM ANY RIGHTS just because this place is now crazy kill zone:mad:
Furthermore spawn killers are innocent because they only deffend themself from being harassed by people witch they just kill...
Did anyone see here some sick logic?
Note for all harassed by player killers "DO NOT bother staff whit your movies and screnshots becaue they will not help you and honestly you are now on your own."
And to end... Jhanniss is correct.
This game will live but i start to really doubt if anyone who will reach +50 will bother to go forward if current "quality" of gameplay will remain as standard.
Once more, Gratulations OS for plain ruin this once fantastic and player friendly game.
The Pool is not properly set, I would say: Should make Kill Points and lose exp while dying by players be allowed?
I would reply: "remove kill points and loss of exp by player killing and let's see if pk still go there."
It Should be more logical that you gain pk points in PvP area Battle Zone and not in Abyss.. but OnsOn stated this and OUTSPARK followed.
So, let's just do all we are allowed to, for example KQ leeching:
If I have to do something else or I just want to talk with my friends I leave my Player in the KQ leeching, If you don't like that people leech KQ don't go in that KQ; now I have to ask - and that's a good question, if you have read my previous posts, you already know the answer -
Why is KQ leeching not allowed while Spam killing in Abyss is?
(I can't post the answer my friend got from CSR but it's quite clear that the reason is not that Leeching ruins other players game experience - what about Spam Killing then? It doesn't ruins anything? - )
Other question, a more delicate one:
Why is people allowed to dress with thongs and other erotic dresses while it is not allowed to reply to other player to ?

Thank you for your intelligent posts and suggestions. I hope someone sees them that can actually make some changes to better the game for all of us.

[DF001]

These changes will make the Abyss better for everyone except pkers like U. Why don’t you stop posting. If you don’t have anything intelligent to say.


You would think that someone making the decisions around here would be intelligent enough to realize that they are seeing soooooo many threads about the Abyss because it is not functioning as intended and most of the players DO NOT like it. I don’t know who you are, Serric, or if I can trust what you say but if this is true;
I will never be able to buy T5 Stones at the merchant in Uruga.
I will never be able to buy the learning scrolls I need at the skill Master.
The only place I might every find my learning scrolls is WHERE??????????????????
The slaughter house? Oh the Abyss (which will never change) where they rarely every drop anyway?
Ok…..then there is no point in me playing this game anymore.
This is my last suggestion to fix this situation. If you want to keep the Abyss functioning for the loser pkers of the game fine…but provide what the good players need outside of the abyss. Is that possible for you guys to do????
I need the T5 stones now. Is it too hard to make them available? I need to be able to buy the learning scrolls I need. Is it too hard to put them in the Skill Master list? All the drops I get are useless without them!
And one more thing is it too hard to make the quests for each lvl give enough exp to get to the next lvl or at least close to it? The game becomes very boring having to grind for hours to get to the next lvl just to get 2 quests that cover 1/8 of the exp needed for the next lvl.

What is your player’s name? So I can make sure to pwn you every time I see you! Hahahahaa!




Thank you for your intelligent posts and suggestions. I hope someone sees them that can actually make some changes to better the game for all of us.

How stupid can you be, get out of these forums, troll. Idiot, can't accept the opinions of others

[Tamlinari]

killing noobs is funny. I love it. one time this married girl came in with 20 friend i killed them both. Hahaha and I was X10 and 20+ levels on them. It was so funy to kill them tho

You see, this is the kind of person / people that have to be tolerated.
They run around places like the Abyss with the intent of causing trouble for everyone else.
The GMs seem to believe that they are dealing with adults with mature minds and they are not.
A lot of the people who play this game have very immature mentalities and act like bullies and bad kids because they can get away with it.

I had some goofball fighter who was way above the level of my character spam kill me the day before yesterday.
I asked him to stop and he would not.
He thought that I was losing exp even though I wasn't. (BoT ^^)
He said that it was "fun" and that he liked "killing girls"

Fun to repetitively harass and kill someone who would not and could not fight back against him?
How mentally sick and degenerate is that???

And he is not the only one like that, the game is filled with these kinds of people.
They only behave themselves because there are restriction in place to limit their ability to cause trouble.

I can site other examples of similar games who have let these types of immature idiots take over the whole game and turn it into a complete hell hole where new members don't even want to enter the game, they just quit and find another.

I just really hate to see Fiesta going down that same road.

And don't give me that trite line about "If you don't want to get pwned then don't go into the Abyss".

The only time that I go there anyway is when I have a BoT active and that is all of the time now.

I don't mind the PvP in the Abyss but at least put the level locks back the way they were before to keep the trouble makers like this guy who is quoted above out of the lower levels Abyss.

[Celtic_Princess]

O.o While I admit I've gotten worked up over the situation, everyone has a right to express their own opinions. Just because their opinion differs doesn't make them idiotic...nor does it take away their right to express said opinion.

DF is not not stupid for being a PKer, he has every right to say what he said, and you did actually post the exact same thing in another thread.

And Ashley is not an idiot for disliking the situation with the abyss as is. Lets leave the name calling out of it and just stick to opinions yes?

[Ciocolajs]

i love abysssssss its so fun <3

[KateeHellen]

How stupid can you be, get out of these forums, troll. Idiot, can't accept the opinions of others

And who are you to call her in that way?:mad:
If someone cannot accept opinions of others then it is you just because we do not write poems over your "glorious kills" in abyss but all we try to show is act that WE DO NOT APPROVE current situation.
Trust me i was tempted to reply you in very harsh way but i decided not to lower myself to your level because this will be pointless anyway, and before you will reply and call me in some "nice way" i want give you a small warning.
Be prepared that such post disliking what is going on in abysses and showing pkers in very dark light will grow up so be ready for very hard time...

[DF001]

And who are you to call her in that way?:mad:
If someone cannot accept opinions of others then it is you just because we do not write poems over your "glorious kills" in abyss but all we try to show is act that WE DO NOT APPROVE current situation.
Trust me i was tempted to reply you in very harsh way but i decided not to lower myself to your level because this will be pointless anyway, and before you will reply and call me in some "nice way" i want give you a small warning.
Be prepared that such post disliking what is going on in abysses and showing pkers in very dark light will grow up so be ready for very hard time...

Had a bad day, came to forums and I saw her flame. What did you expect me to do? :3

[CM_Saphar]

Had a bad day, came to forums and I saw her flame. What did you expect me to do? :3

If you felt someone was flaming, harassing, or going against the forum rules or TOS, you should have PMed a CM or CL.

Name calling, flaming, and general harassment is not allowed here on the forums. Let's try and remain civil, even if this is a very heated discussion.

Clearly, players on both sides are very passionate about their beliefs, but that's no excuse for insulting other players. Feedback, be it negative or positive, is always welcome as long as it's constructive - blatant negativity and harassment only serves to hurt the community as a whole.

We realize that the changes to the Abyss are one of the hottest topics in the community right now, and we are actively looking into the game mechanics and weighing player feedback very carefully.

Thanks for your continued feedback, and please try and remain civil. We are watching the forums and this thread very closely.

[gunnerwife2]

I like the idea of asking someone if they would like to PVP. It does cost you XP when you die there. I really didnt know what was going on the first time I went in the Abyss but now I do and it would be nice if the other characters asked or something pops up and asks if you would like to fight someone. Also you should only be allowed to fight someone either 5 lvls lower or higher than yourself, it would make it interesting. I go there to get extra items I can no longer pick up that you pick up at the lower levels.

[undeadgun]

It is the internet What did you expect me to do? :3

There, fixed for ya:p

[gshock2005]

If you go abyss pvp same lvl ppl that's fine. If you go there to kill some low lvl ppl then you are just sick. Put the lvl control back on. Problem solved:)

[ashleybelle]

If you felt someone was flaming, harassing, or going against the forum rules or TOS, you should have PMed a CM or CL.
Name calling, flaming, and general harassment is not allowed here on the forums. Let's try and remain civil, even if this is a very heated discussion.
Clearly, players on both sides are very passionate about their beliefs, but that's no excuse for insulting other players. Feedback, be it negative or positive, is always welcome as long as it's constructive - blatant negativity and harassment only serves to hurt the community as a whole.
We realize that the changes to the Abyss are one of the hottest topics in the community right now, and we are actively looking into the game mechanics and weighing player feedback very carefully.
Thanks for your continued feedback, and please try and remain civil. We are watching the forums and this thread very closely.
Thank you. I am glad this issue is being taken seriously. I do feel that I am being harassed for my sincere opinion. I want his post removed and this player warned if it is his first time and if he has done this to other ppl he needs to be banned. We are trying to fix issues and make the game better.
How stupid can you be, get out of these forums, troll. Idiot, can't accept the opinions of others
He is a perfect example of the players we are all talking about and you need to get rid of.

[DF001]

Thank you. I am glad this issue is being taken seriously. I do feel that I am being harassed for my sincere opinion. I want his post removed and this player warned if it is his first time and if he has done this to other ppl he needs to be banned. We are trying to fix issues and make the game better.

He is a perfect example of the players we are all talking about and you need to get rid of.

Haha, you can't get rid of me. :)

[alpha4879]

When I go into the abyss, some stupid higher levels with a +9 kills me and I loose 3%!!! Can't you at least get a new command when you right click on players to say " Challenge person to duel"? I would really like it and I think it is best for those who try to level as well. So please change it. I'm talking to the GMs, game managers, and everyone else that is reading this thread.

[otterfactory]

The link to the exact same Poll in the PvP Section:

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126148

PvP has been a part of Abyss from the beginning. However, it wasn't a serious problem then, outside of level 20 and 30 Abyss there was little harassment and people had respect for one another. As I said months ago:

This game is not designed for PvP. Player versus player in Fiesta requires no skill, just SparkCash, Class (Fighter), and Levels. How can I possibly be for any change that not only makes PvP a more significant part of abyss but also imbalances the Level aspect of PvP in thereby allowing people 16 levels higher to kill noobs mindlessly at a cost to the low level characters?

Everyone can argue the obvious: "If you don't like PvP, stay out of abyss!", (even GMs/CSRs) but the problem is just that. Many people avoid abyss because of PvP it and feel like there is less of a game for them to enjoy relative to someone who enjoys PvP particularly relative to a former experience with the game they might have had. Its only understandable that many people feel things have changed for the worse. I know for a fact that this is not the same game I started playing many months ago and is far more PvP based (which is not fun to me). Maybe they should just have a PvP server, and that might cater to more people, but as it is now, there is less fun for me with every additional PvP promoting patch.

[iAmBao]

if it's implemented you're taking the risk of getting yourself killed.
besides, it makes it more intriguing.

[SweaterMittens]

pking = <3

[Miazma]

How stupid can you be, get out of these forums, troll. Idiot, can't accept the opinions of others

Had a bad day, came to forums and I saw her flame. What did you expect me to do? :3

How quickly you see *flaming* and get offended by it yet you but have no problems *flaming* others. Sympathies on your bad day but keep it to yourself.

Haha, you can't get rid of me. :)

Yep I know a few other people who thought they were above the Fiesta law. :D

[DF001]

never said I was above the law. I can get 100 people jailed and/or banned right now if I want.

[leilani51977]

Well I have a high level character and iI dont go around killing people for the heck of it. SOmetimes when i do hit the tab button i might mistakenly hit someone and i apologize for it. But if someone doesn't want to fight leave them be. I see the word sportmanship being used but the meaning of it isnt being used properly. If it makes you feel powerful to pick on other's cause they may be weaker to you then I believe something's wrong with you. Plus if someone was killing a friend or even an alt would you truly like or get ticked off and wanna kill them? I would but it all comes down to respecting other players.

[KateeHellen]

never said I was above the law. I can get 100 people jailed and/or banned right now if I want.

I am sure you do...
But all i see now is absolute double standards in your words "I can kill whoever i want and what i want but you have NO RIGHT to say just one word of critics".
DF if you as you claim behave correct in abyss people will not have reasons for smearing you but i see less and less reasons to believe in any of your words.
And please do not tell me that you get all your kp from KQ or acting like gentelman in abyss.
You <and everyone pro pking> say always "If you do not want to be killed stay out of abyss" so i can tell you something very similar "If you do not like to be smeared do not go to abyss", and if you go there for pking then expect high risk that people will curse at you when you kill them.
In other word this work in both ways and whit all due respect, in current state of this so called pvp system you are above the law because people being harassed in abysses by pkers can do completly nothing to stop you "Because this is pvp zone" using major claim of pkers.
And to end appeal to staff.
Guys TIME FOR READING FEEDBACKS IS OVER i really advise to undertake serious actions before this community will torn itself apart because of this sick pvp feature.
Honestly i see already effect of your as you claim brainstorming coming out "WINTER ADDITIONS TO CS", but when it is comes to deal whit real problems... permanent black hole.
And please stop using word civil because this sound now really ridiculous. This community is no longer Tea Party by aunt Mary as you apparently want to be but we grow up because we were forced to deal alone whit way to many problems without your accual support.
I think incoming Christmas will be my last in Fiesta because i see less and less reasons to stay here.
What i am looking for as next MMO is already very promising <however this will be from start P2P so at least in this field will not be any doubts> so i will wait and see in what way this will evolve.

[Orchids_Mantis]

There are a few things that need to be addressed in the pvp areas, I feel.

1) Level
Personally, I agree with the statements that the abyss areas were more balanced when they were locked X1-X(+1)0. The new level restrictions have people coming in to pvp and facing players with the next level of armor and weapons -nearly impossible to win. I know that some would say cookies would even this out, but , whatever, I'm just saying.

2) spawn killing
As has already been stated, it is not fun for the player getting killed (even if they wish to pvp), as they don't really have enough time to rescroll and heal before getting attacked (what with the 2 second cool down for scrolls).
Possible solutions have already been stated, and personally I favor the respawn in FP idea, as if you respawn at random points in the map, you may spawn in the middle of a big mob of enemies.

3) Running to FP
I've sat in the abyss areas quite often with my level 36 DD fighter in an efort to lessen the impact of PVP parties and high level PKers on the lower level players (I do let them kill, but I attack them every so often to remind them to be nice and sporting about it -and I kill them if they constantly attack 1 player or use a full party against 1 player); but the players that bug me the most are the players -usually archers and mages- that will run past to the guard NPC (or warp in and look around), then attack while standing next to the NPC, and warp away when the person they attack comes after them.
The only possible solution I see for this -as it is incredibly annoying (especially the "haha you can't kill me, noob" whispers they send after) and unsportmanlike- is to have a lock which prevents warping to FP that turns on for 5 seconds after your last attack. I feel that this lock should also be employed when a player is stunned, as there have been dozens of times that players will be fighting near the FP guard and warp away when they are stunned and about to lose.



...just my two cents.

[f4ntome]

No, the block is another, let's say instrument that high level players can use to kill you better, if you have problems in killing low level players because they flee, well I am the first to tell you " HAHAHA" next time go inside abyss and don't block the entrace. Well, for the other parts, I liked previous abyss more than this one, and so the other players.

[Klothos]

Everyone can argue the obvious: "If you don't like PvP, stay out of abyss!", (even GMs/CSRs) but the problem is just that. Many people avoid abyss because of PvP it and feel like there is less of a game for them to enjoy relative to someone who enjoys PvP particularly relative to a former experience with the game they might have had. Its only understandable that many people feel things have changed for the worse. I know for a fact that this is not the same game I started playing many months ago and is far more PvP based (which is not fun to me). Maybe they should just have a PvP server, and that might cater to more people, but as it is now, there is less fun for me with every additional PvP promoting patch.

I agree and disagree at the same time

Your points are certainly valid, but the abyss has now become somewhat of an "Extreme Gamer" or "X-Gamer" zones. It some ways, that can be looked at as a positive, and it can also be looked back as a negative. This is why the statement "If you dont like it, stay out of it" applies: Its like getting hurt skateboarding on a difficult ramp. Are you going to blame the ramp or the bad judgement on the skateboarder's part?

I do agree with you that Surviving The Abyss = CashShop

[ashleybelle]

Well, I must say this whole experience trying to post and get resolutions to problems with the game has been a nightmare.

I don't know if the CMs are little kids or what. They don't enforce any of the rules. They practice double standards.

Example: A post with "shut up" gets removed as offensive.

A post with "troll", "Idiot" and "Get off the forums" does not?

I am very disappointed that I wasted my time. All I got was insulted by some 12 year who is filled with anger and hate. Thank you for nothing Staff. None of you could even answer my questions. Please, advise me who to talk to that can give real answers and make real changes to the game.

Very unsatisfied X player

[CM_Saphar]

You are all welcome to discuss PvP and the Abyss, but please do so in a civil manner.

This thread is filled with personal attacks, insults, and harassment, and will be closed.