Fiesta is too COMMERCIAL.

[in_spots]

Anyone here think that fiesta is too commercial? Give your opinions and comments here.

I think it is. Below are my reasons.

1.) Most patches here are actually for commercial purposes. This event, that event (dancing event, santa event, new pets, thomas the turkey what?!?!). Its good to give some options such as new pets, new mounts, gender change, wedding appication, etc. but if that's all what Fiesta to offer, its..its just.. unbelievable.. this is a game.. Fiesta should not only focus with those accessories, but also with the game play. I know this is a free game, but if you just want to sell, open a shop, not a game. Give more patches for the game improvement, not an event that eventually force people to BUY things from the store to join. Its a free game dude =,=

2.) It favours noobs too much. Most patches favours them. At least thats what I conclude from people's complaints in the forum such as abyss, etc. Why noobs? Not too prejudice, may be they are just easier to get tricked. "Ting.. Ting.. Hide and Seek event.. Find GM XXX in forest of mist.. and win mini honeying.. use Pink Raccoon to find me quickly.." what?!?!. At the end, a marketing message is delivered. BUY Pink Raccoon to get a mini honeying?. :o

3.) When someone's complaining about losing exp when get killed in abyss? the GM just replied thats intended. Yea, i know, that means you have to BUY teva.

4.) and so on.

Lets do an open debate here.
Pros and cons are expected.

[DF001]

Outspark is only in charge on the Cash Shop. OnSonSoft takes care of the gameplay.

[Sockrawteez]

dude..the turkey is WIN dont be dissin ~_~

[Lety23]

Anyone here think that fiesta is too commercial? Give your opinions and comments here.

I think it is. Below are my reasons.

1.) Most patch here is actually for commercial purpose. This event, that event (dancing event, santa event, new pets, thomas the turkey what?!?!). Its good to give some options such as new pets, new mounts, gender change, wedding appication, etc. but if that's all what Fiesta to offer, its..its just.. unbelievable.. this is a game.. Fiesta should not only focus with those accesories but also with the gameplay. I know this is a free game, but if you just want to sell, open a shop, not a game. Give more patch for the game improvement, not an event that eventually force people to BUY things from the store to join. Its a free game dude =,=

2.) It favours noobs too much. Most patches favours them. At least thats what I conclude from people's complaints in the forum such as abyss, etc. Why noobs? Not too prejudice, may be they are just easier to get tricked. "Ting.. Ting.. Hide and Seek event.. Find GM XXX in forest of mist.. and win mini honeying.. use Pink Raccoon to find me quickly..". At the end, a marketing message is delivered. BUY Pink Raccoon. :o

3.) When someone's complaining about losing exp when get killed in abyss? the GM just replied thats intended. Yea, i know, that means you have to BUY teva.

Lets do an open debate here.
Pros and cons are expected.


If there weren't any events, the game would seriously just get too plain.


As for the find a GM event, your example Forest of Mist, it's fair.
Who do you think gets the short end of the stick when there's a Fight A Boss Event?
This evens it out.

You don't have to buy the Blessing of Teva.
Abyss has always been PvP; it's supposed to be.
Why don't people get that?? -.-

[Sockrawteez]

If there weren't any events, the game would seriously just get too plain.


As for the find a GM event, your example Forest of Mist, it's fair.
Who do you think gets the short end of the stick when there's a Fight A Boss Event?
This evens it out.

You don't have to buy the Blessing of Teva.
Abyss has always been PvP; it's supposed to be.
Why don't people get that?? -.-

and pvp shouldent invole EXP loss abyss or not

[in_spots]

Outspark is only in charge on the Cash Shop. OnSonSoft takes care of the gameplay.

yea.. may be im wrong about the company's name. but i mean overall. lately, most patches are for commercial purpose instead of for the gameplay.

[Sockrawteez]

yea.. may be im wrong about the company's name. but i mean overall. lately, most patches are for commercial purpose instead of for the gameplay.

I agree 100%.

[DF001]

That's not OS's fault probably, it's OnSonSonft that is sending the patches

[lenore_lurks]

If they could help the situation, don't you think they would, seeing as though they're 'commercial' now? o.O?

It's a free game. they need to make money somehow. In these apparently dire times I'm sure they're doing the best that they can. There's always going to be problems, but I don't think that turning this into some underground game is going to fix things either. It is gaining success, relatively quickly, and that can be a huge benefit for everyone. Just be patient. They're already improving their customer service, they're releasing cash shop items that people actually WANT, they can't do anything other than what OnSon Soft tell them to do.

[in_spots]

1.)If there weren't any events, the game would seriously just get too plain.


2.) As for the find a GM event, your example Forest of Mist, it's fair.
Who do you think gets the short end of the stick when there's a Fight A Boss Event?
This evens it out.

3.) You don't have to buy the Blessing of Teva.
Abyss has always been PvP; it's supposed to be.
Why don't people get that?? -.-

1.) I know that. But please, Fiesta has had too much events. If they can make events such dancing events, santa events etc etc.. why not raising the cap level?

2.) Fight a boss event. I just wondering how many percents of the participants there are high level players? Read my first posting carefully. Its #2. I did say that fiesta favours noobs too much lately.

3.) yea i know that players dont have to. But when someones complaint about they losing exp when they died there (because it was not), why the GM just said 'it is intended'. Dont you get the message behind that?

[saueracker]

Oustpark runs a business...and business' are run with money and for money. I personally enjoy the CS items...although they do need to fix things, but who says they are not working on it in the background.

[Shadowfiend]

1.) I know that. But please, Fiesta has had too much events. If they can make events such dancing events, santa events etc etc.. why not raising the cap level?

2.) Fight a boss event. I just wondering how many percents of the participants there are high level players? Read my first posting carefully. Its #2. I did say that fiesta favours noobs too much lately.

3.) yea i know that players dont have to. But when someones complaint about they losing exp when they died there (because it was not), why the GM just said 'it is intended'. Dont you get the message behind that?
Noobs ? Your a noob to me and im lower level. Who are you to go around and call people noobs ? If your lv 8X you think you have right to call lower level noobs? Max level is 150 so your not even close to being a "pro" either. so just shut it with the "noob" stuff ... you aren't any better.

[in_spots]

If they could help the situation, don't you think they would, seeing as though they're 'commercial' now? o.O?

It's a free game. they need to make money somehow. In these apparently dire times I'm sure they're doing the best that they can. There's always going to be problems, but I don't think that turning this into some underground game is going to fix things either. It is gaining success, relatively quickly, and that can be a huge benefit for everyone. Just be patient. They're already improving their customer service, they're releasing cash shop items that people actually WANT, they can't do anything other than what OnSon Soft tell them to do.

Please read my first post point #1.
I know Fiesta is a free game. But its still a game, not only a money maker.

Also, this thread is opened to reveal people's opinions for both pros and cons. From that, Fiesta (or whatever the company is) can now know their STRENGTHS and their WEAKNESSES. Sell their strengths and FIX their weaknesses.

Myself and other players are not just begging, but we just want someone, administrators, Fiesta or whoever to listen our opinions. Players' opinions are just really omitted.

[Lety23]

1.) I know that. But please, Fiesta has had too much events. If they can make events such dancing events, santa events etc etc.. why not raising the cap level?

2.) Fight a boss event. I just wondering how many percents of the participants there are high level players? Read my first posting carefully. Its #2. I did say that fiesta favours noobs too much lately.

3.) yea i know that players dont have to. But when someones complaint about they losing exp when they died there (because it was not), why the GM just said 'it is intended'. Dont you get the message behind that?


Raising the cap level??? Again??
Lol it hasnt been that long since they raised it.
They have to give people time to get close to that before raising it again.
If you're already at the cap, I'm assuming that you used a lot of SC and you're bored...tough cookies.


Why do you think "Noobs" are being favored?

And all I see in that message is exactly what it says: It's intended. Isn't that quite obvious?

[Sockrawteez]

Noobs ? Your a noob to me and im lower level. Who are you to go around and call people noobs ? If your lv 8X you think you have right to call lower level noobs? Max level is 150 so your not even close to being a "pro" either. so just shut it with the "noob" stuff ... you aren't any better.

lvl cap in this game is 89, noob

[Shadowfiend]

Please read my first post point #1.
I know Fiesta is a free game. But its still a game, not only a money maker.

Also, this thread is opened to reveal people's opinions for both pros and cons. From that, Fiesta (or whatever the company is) can now know their STRENGTHS and their WEAKNESSES. Sell their strengths and FIX their weaknesses.

Myself and other players are not just begging, but we just want someone, administrators, Fiesta or whoever to listen our opinions. Players' opinions are just really omitted.
Dont like something about the game ? Send an email to Onsonsoft or wha ever the company is ... DF001 said the name.

[Shadowfiend]

lvl cap in this game is 89, noob
...... right now it is but whats max level when game is done ? 150 NOOB.

[Sockrawteez]

...... right now it is but whats max level when game is done ? 150 NOOB.

nice double post noob.

[Lety23]

Please keep your argument off the thread.

[northmemphis]

If they could help the situation, don't you think they would, seeing as though they're 'commercial' now? o.O?

It's a free game. they need to make money somehow. In these apparently dire times I'm sure they're doing the best that they can. There's always going to be problems, but I don't think that turning this into some underground game is going to fix things either. It is gaining success, relatively quickly, and that can be a huge benefit for everyone. Just be patient. They're already improving their customer service, they're releasing cash shop items that people actually WANT, they can't do anything other than what OnSon Soft tell them to do. i agree :):)

[Flaming_Slayer]

I would have to agree here on a few things. Fiesta can be pretty commercial, every 5 minutes there advertising the same thing over, it gets annoying, at least to me. Events lately, are dull, find the GM but make sure you have this item, or if your gonna come to a event, make sure you have your teva and extenders. Why isnt there ever a normal event, where all those items an things arent needed? As for the aybss things, yea, thats not fair, why are we losing xp in aybss? against mobs ok, but other people, kinda lame, what next? losing xp in the pvp areas? How is someone continually killing you for spots, or just cuz they want to in aybss intended? Outspark has made some really bad disicions lately. Keep up the good work ;)

Desy

[in_spots]

Raising the cap level??? Again??
Lol it hasnt been that long since they raised it.
They have to give people time to get close to that before raising it again.
If you're already at the cap, I'm assuming that you used a lot of SC and you're bored...tough cookies.


Why do you think "Noobs" are being favored?

And all I see in that message is exactly what it says: It's intended. Isn't that quite obvious?

Well thats my opinion.
And I made those statements based on my experiences and other threads in General discusssions. Please read other threads in General Discussion as well. Please do some researches before posting.

And dont assume something that is not correct. I never buy tough cookies. And dont be so offensive. I hope Fiesta administrators and GMs are not like this. I hope they can listen to and receive critics.

Why noobs are being favoured? Geez. Why level 60 players can enter lv 70 abyss?

[grummin]

Outspark is only in charge on the Cash Shop. OnSonSoft takes care of the gameplay.

yea.. may be im wrong about the company's name. but i mean overall. lately, most patches are for commercial purpose instead of for the gameplay.

That's not OS's fault probably, it's OnSonSonft that is sending the patches

So which is it, DF? First you say OutSpark controls the Cash Shop, then you declare all patches being for Cash Shop is because OnsOnSoft is sending them- thus they're obviously in control.

[TwistedFreak]

personally i hate how all the blame is forced upon ons on soft over and over again, outspark own the license to the game hence they can have adjustments made, just look at all the post that have been around about the koren version, ingame itesm that we dont have that they have had for ages, theres one now that shows hobby horse that are in cs here being sold ingame by npc.

You dont buy something if you dont have a say in how its used, it seems to me that OS seem to be having alot of stuff taken out and left for much later times if any and soly bring the game about using the cash shop.

outspark will have pull over ons on soft its just os is releasing content differently which is alittle annoying in some respects. (no1 would go into business with another company if they didnt have say in what goes on OS pays lots of money for the license to the game so to says its all ons on softs fault about updates isnt fully true)

most events are aimed at low lvls and the fight a boss event is insane as it gets lots of afk ppl or vendors killed to which if someone killed some one vending during a guild war that personn can be reported and could get banned yet at fight aboss events through elderine vendors/afk getting kill alot due to the aoe's of bosses let out, so should that be againts the rules as it is still vendor/afk killing?

ppl are asking for cap raise as there isnt much for high lvls to look forward to even just adding same ammount of matts to gm kq like matts from kkp kq would be a great start for the higher lvls, i believe many would be happy with that.

thre is alot of issues that have came about n the past few months that really need to be sorted out, bugs/glitches, lagg issues loads of ppl have, reduced prices on cetain way over priced sc items such as t4 eyes/miles.

I love this game and i do buy sc for mounts,storage tux's and enhancing but there is alot of issues that need to be addressed and OS does not seem to be addressing these.

An announcment once/twice a week about the development of bug fixes, server issues, patches etc would be gr8 just to let us know they are actually working on the issues that are floating about in so many threads.

keep the players happy by keeping us informed :)

[Shadowfiend]

I would have to agree here on a few things. Fiesta can be pretty commercial, every 5 minutes there advertising the same thing over, it gets annoying, at least to me. Events lately, are dull, find the GM but make sure you have this item, or if your gonna come to a event, make sure you have your teva and extenders. Why isnt there ever a normal event, where all those items an things arent needed? As for the aybss things, yea, thats not fair, why are we losing xp in aybss? against mobs ok, but other people, kinda lame, what next? losing xp in the pvp areas? How is someone continually killing you for spots, or just cuz they want to in aybss intended? Outspark has made some really bad disicions lately. Keep up the good work ;)

Desy
Seriously ? SERIOUSLY ?? Omg I heard this 600 times already. You don't like losing exp in Abyss then don't damn go there. No one makes you go there. If you wish to go there, you enter AT YOUR OWN RISK. for crying out loud stop complaining people. Onsonsoft didnt make the Fiesta totaly based on PvP. There are games where PvP is everything..... many races all against each other and if you die you lose stuff money exp... everywhere even in your clan's town, and here you whine about losing exp in place where YOU decide to go and don't even HAVE to go. -.- this is getting really old.

[Shadowfiend]

Well thats my opinion.
And I made those statements based on my experiences and other threads in General discusssions. Please read other threads in General Discussion as well. Please do some researches before posting.

And dont assume something that is not correct. I never buy tough cookies. And dont be so offensive. I hope Fiesta administrators and GMs are not like this. I hope they can listen to and receive critics.

Why noobs are being favoured? Geez. Why level 60 players can enter lv 70 abyss?
Why high levels can go into lower level doungeon... like for example level 89 mage in level 20-29 Marlone's Hideout..... good thing they made bosses respawn 10 minutes cause other wise the lower levels would never get chance to complete the doungeon quest. New players will most likely quit if they see a low level with high level going around just randomly killing everything. New player can't do that, he just started playing. I believe this is in favour of high levels.

[in_spots]

Seriously ? SERIOUSLY ?? Omg I heard this 600 times already. You don't like losing exp in Abyss then don't damn go there. No one makes you go there. If you wish to go there, you enter AT YOUR OWN RISK. for crying out loud stop complaining people. Onsonsoft didnt make the Fiesta totaly based on PvP. There are games where PvP is everything..... many races all against each other and if you die you lose stuff money exp... everywhere even in your clan's town, and here you whine about losing exp in place where YOU decide to go and don't even HAVE to go. -.- this is getting really old.

Well, here is a story about abyss..
Early 2008, there was no forest of perimeter. Therefore abyss were scattered.
Mid 2008, all abyss were put into forest of perimeter. The main reason to it is to make players easier to access it. Good job Fiesta. Thanks for that. Besides that, it is intended for players to earn some money and leveling. Because the money and exp from quests are not enough. Also, leveling let say in Uruga by killing orc will make those with orc quest (not just for leveling) hard to find some orcs. Thats why, abyss are grouped.
Late 2008, the level cap to enter abyss was changed. Low level players can enter almost all abyss. Higher level players actually can just kill the new players, bring their guild into it. But it is just not ethical.

If you said, 'we dont even have to go there' thats right, but what are abyss made for? Please tell me whats the purpose o abyss?

We complain because we love Fiesta and used to play a fun game. But when it is not good game anymore, we just want it to be good again. Or you just say, 'we dont even have to play Fiesta'?

I wont reply to your post again. Because the more you talk, the more obvious that you do not understand the system here. And I believe high level players agree with me.

[IcyPhoenix]

Ons Soft (or w/e) - Controls patches of in game content ie/ Level cap drop rate, also any bugs must be fixed by them.

Outspark - Company that bought the licence probably very limited licence for Fiesta, meaning of limited: They can modify cash items, but not in game content because of the limited licence.

What this means - When theres a bug, the community goes into a up roar, Outspark gets notified by couple hundred people having a fit on the forums, Outspark sends a report to Ons Soft, Ons Soft takes note of it and then its up to them to figure out where the bug has occured.

Spark Cash Items - This is most likely directly controlled by Outspark, meaning they can add and remove and adjust prices whenever they want, since this doesn't directly change any real in game content, unlike opening a new map. So these patches can come very often, as they are probably created in the Outspark headquarters, unlike the bug and update patches, which are created in Ons Soft HQ.

Events - events are Gm's utilizing in game features to create a event, these features have already been added so, from what u said before "if they can do events why not increase level cap" (not direct quote) the events are done through their console, which allows them to spawn mobs, this console probably is part of the game or a 3rd party packet sending program, that was designed specifically for making a Gm life easier ie/ ghost mode, teleport etc... this can all be done by Outspark staff, unlike level cap raise which has to be done by Ons Soft.

Abyss - This is a pvp zone, think about it this way - the abyss is there with a very nice reward for the stronger players or players with good connections with people. By being strong or having alot of friends that like partying with you, you get rewarded with very nice experience and drops, you have to remember this place started off with very bad exp, and no one went there - to grind or pvp, then they increased the drops and exp and every went there and complained when they got pked, you enter abyss knowing that its a pvp zone, so you have the possibility of getting attacked by another player. At first there was no motive for pvping in abyss, you gained nothing from it, so people weren't interested in pvping in abyss, now since kill points are introduced there is a incentive, secondly since no lose was occurred during deaths no one cared about dying by pvp and continued to grind, now theres a a exp lose, and people will have to be stronger or they will lose exp. By saying people shouldn't be allowed to kill in abyss, then why should there be high exp and high drop rate in there, usually for anything that has great reward, there usually is a risk.

Ons Soft - you must remember alot of companies have bought limited licences off Ons Soft, and i only know of one company that has bought a open ended licence, so Ons Soft has to deliver patches to each of these different companies, so this version doesn't always get top priority in patches.

Who to blame? - Depends on what you mean by blame, you could blame the korean dev's, since they are making errors in coding, but everyone makes mistakes, and if you know programming then you should understand how hard its to debug a game the size of Fiesta. You could blame Outspark for not buying a open ended license, but think about the money difference involved, as a open ended license costs probably alot more then a limited one, so whos to blame? Impatient people who don't know alot of information and start complaining, thats my opinion. Its a free game, obviously you have a expectation even if it is a free game, but servers require money to run and Gm's need to be paid, in the end Outspark is trying to make money so they can keep the game running, would you open something and keep it up if its running you into the negative? Probably not.



PhoenixICE.

[SweaterMittens]

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[Ciocolajs]

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[Strang3r]

1.) I know that. But please, Fiesta has had too much events. If they can make events such dancing events, santa events etc etc.. why not raising the cap level?


I'd like to point out this paragraph you made. Outspark holds the events, true, but I don't think they have the choice of raising the cap level yet.

In short and to clarify, the only thing Outspark can do for us now would be 1) holding *new* creative events, 2) reporting any new bugs that we have complained about in these forums, 3) mess around with the prices of the cash shop items.

I might be missing others, but other than that they can't really help us any further like messing with the patch due to the limited license.

It doesn't really bother me if they advertise their products. If their purpose of making me loose exp from getting player killed in abyss is to get me to buy blessings of Teva, it wouldn't matter. I have the choice of going elsewhere for exp.

Edit: By the way, I do have my cons. Abyss at my level is not worth the risk anymore.

[Lety23]

Well thats my opinion.
And I made those statements based on my experiences and other threads in General discusssions. Please read other threads in General Discussion as well. Please do some researches before posting.

And dont assume something that is not correct. I never buy tough cookies. And dont be so offensive. I hope Fiesta administrators and GMs are not like this. I hope they can listen to and receive critics.

Why noobs are being favoured? Geez. Why level 60 players can enter lv 70 abyss?

Lol I refuse to keep going with this.
Everything with Fiesta is fine; few bothers that can be fixed will. It's fine.


**My assumptions don't have to be correct. Assumptions are assumptions, they go either way.

[Shadowfiend]

Well, here is a story about abyss..
Early 2008, there was no forest of perimeter. Therefore abyss were scattered.
Mid 2008, all abyss were put into forest of perimeter. The main reason to it is to make players easier to access it. Good job Fiesta. Thanks for that. Besides that, it is intended for players to earn some money and leveling. Because the money and exp from quests are not enough. Also, leveling let say in Uruga by killing orc will make those with orc quest (not just for leveling) hard to find some orcs. Thats why, abyss are grouped.
Late 2008, the level cap to enter abyss was changed. Low level players can enter almost all abyss. Higher level players actually can just kill the new players, bring their guild into it. But it is just not ethical.

If you said, 'we dont even have to go there' thats right, but what are abyss made for? Please tell me whats the purpose o abyss?

We complain because we love Fiesta and used to play a fun game. But when it is not good game anymore, we just want it to be good again. Or you just say, 'we dont even have to play Fiesta'?

I wont reply to your post again. Because the more you talk, the more obvious that you do not understand the system here. And I believe high level players agree with me.
Did I ever say that ? And really ? People were playing game and leveling before abyss came out, what makes the difference WITH abyss ? when cap was 59 I believe there were twice less quests then now, and still people got to the cap, was there abyss at the time ? Uhm let me answer that... NO.
Ok you complain because you "love" Fiesta. If you love it then why you complaining about it ? Hmm ?
Oh ok don't reply to my post I don't care, but the last part oh hell no I doubt that. So you calling 6x low level already, and I assume you understand everything ? I don't care if "high" levels agree with you 'cause what your saying "high" levels are only 8X eh ? So thats like 20-30 people out of well about well I don't know .. few thousand maybe a million... Blah blah blah balh "you don't understand system here" sure ofcourse I don't and your a gaming genious...bah I won't bother to say anything on this pathetic thread again ... Thank you very much,
Sincirely your "Not understanding at all guy" Shadowfiend

[FlashBoom]

If they could help the situation, don't you think they would, seeing as though they're 'commercial' now? o.O?

It's a free game. they need to make money somehow. In these apparently dire times I'm sure they're doing the best that they can. There's always going to be problems, but I don't think that turning this into some underground game is going to fix things either. It is gaining success, relatively quickly, and that can be a huge benefit for everyone. Just be patient. They're already improving their customer service, they're releasing cash shop items that people actually WANT, they can't do anything other than what OnSon Soft tell them to do.

One thing i have to say about this is....
I dont think you realize how much this "free" game makes a month,
say 50% of fiesta players spend $20/month, 2million players, thats a minimum of 20million a month! thats not including the extreme SC users that spend like $50+, or the ppl who buy here and there. So if you think about it, they make more then p2p games....

i mean i also agree that updates have been SC related lately,
when are they gonna fix little bugs,glitches,and typos?
im really really sick of seeing/answering this question.... "Can someone tell me how/help me to get to swamp of dawn"....
and like almost every quest description is wrong...

idk i just see fiesta heading down a path where alot of ppl will start quitting lol

[caliab]

honestly if items such as enhancements or teva or even crit outfits and movers...if there wasn't a good benefit to buy those things with real money to help in the game then no one would bother. and then how else would outspark make their money? I prefer the CHOICE to spend money rather than having to pay a monthly fee to play the game.

Yes...the find GM event may seem to cater to noobs but it's only fair. fom, sand beach, etc. Those are non agro areas. It's not fair to have a GM in uruga where noobs cant afford scrolls to go their nor can they use movers there and they certainly would die trying to reach there. At least the event is in a place where at least lower lvls have a fighting chance.

I understand the points you've made but there are legit reasons why outspark does what they do.

I will say I do think the prices of certain items are just outrageous. Like the veterans day outfit. 4200 sc? for what 12% crit? The bathing suits where like 1500 or 1700 for the same amount. Cat ears 3% crit for 2400 sc? When glasses the same crit for what 1500 sc or less? I think Ive spent over $800 in this game (yeah im not proud of that) so far and recently i've refused to buy certain things because its just so overpriced. And Remi is far too addictive. I'm tired of the same items popping up every single time.

[lenore_lurks]

One thing i have to say about this is....
I dont think you realize how much this "free" game makes a month,
say 50% of fiesta players spend $20/month, 2million players, thats a minimum of 20million a month! thats not including the extreme SC users that spend like $50+, or the ppl who buy here and there. So if you think about it, they make more then p2p games....

i mean i also agree that updates have been SC related lately,
when are they gonna fix little bugs,glitches,and typos?
im really really sick of seeing/answering this question.... "Can someone tell me how/help me to get to swamp of dawn"....
and like almost every quest description is wrong...

idk i just see fiesta heading down a path where alot of ppl will start quitting lol


Oh yeah. There's alot of people who pay money to further their enjoyment of this game. I'm one of them. And no doubt that Outspark would be making some sort of profit on this, otherwise what's the point in even having a business in gaming? No-one, unless it is a charity organisation, opens any business thinking 'hmm. Prolly not going to make much out of this, if anything at all. OH WELL!' It's a business. It makes money. they chose to structure it as a f2p game instead of p2p to basically test the market for these types of games, and I think they made the right choice. They would be making heaps more like they are now, compared to if they went down that p2p route.

What I was indicating by writing 'dire times' was the recession that America is now offically in, and has been in for a year. We don't know who has their hands in what pies in regards to this business. Some companies that were absolutely booming have crashed and taken more businesses with them. We don't really know what Outspark financial system is like, especially right now. I'm guess it's fairly tight, but it's all just guessing. Who knows what will happen. If the game isn't profitable anymore, they will shut the whole lot down.

They had a massive update of typos once that cleared alot of those thing up. I barely see any typos these days. But yes, they are still 'out there', such as that Swamp of Dawn one (that is a real doozy).

Someone earlier posted approximations of what each company has to do with what, and I think it was pretty spot on.

[YoshimaruOrona]

(Slightly long post, sorry about that.)

Facts:

OutSpark and OnsOnSoft are BUSINESSES. They have employees that need to be paid. Many things are designed to help increase the potential of making a profit.

Abyss is one of these things. Abyss, at one point, did not have exp loss for when one died. Then, it was re-instated in a later patch. What does this mean? When there was no exp loss, OutSpark's income suffered a heavy blow. If I had to guess, I'd say Blessing of Teva is one of their major money makers. By making abyss a no-penalty pvp area, the only people who would buy Teva are the squishy players. It makes a big difference.

I'm not gonna comment on patches because it's a confusing thing. If OnsOnSoft were completely responsible for the patches, why would they make US-specific items? (This includes 4th of July items, Halloween items, even the recent Thxgiving mount) And yet, I have a PM from a GM regarding the "bug" that accompanied the academy warp feature. (I'm referring to the one that allows Academy masters of all levels to enter 2x and 3x abyss) I PM'd him, mentioning it, in case it was a bug or w/e, and he said that "We are aware, but we're waiting for an answer from the devs to see if it was intended."

And as a btw, events are one of the things OutSpark is in complete control of. It keeps the game from being completely boring. And, it's completely free. They can advertise if they want, but it is free to participate in.

One final note: The game is free. It can be played without paying anything. It can be beaten without paying anything. I am proof of this. I have a lv86 cleric and I have not spent one cent on sc. Never have. Never will.

(If anyone thinks I'm bluffing on that, I'll get several people to post in this thread saying I haven't. I have nothing to gain by lying here.)

[suzuranx]

It's been so translucently obvious from the get-go that each and every game out there is focused on obtaining every single penny you have. Fiesta is one of the extreme examples, but it's probably because of the economic crisis. No matter how much you whine, it's not going to change anything, nobody is going to be any nicer. Well, if it makes you de-stress, feel free to do so. End.

[dark94]

lvl cap in this game is 89, noob

Stop with the "noob" thing -.-

And he's right, the max level of the Korean version is actually 150.

The current max level of US version is 89 because OnsOnSoft has not yet released the content to reach lv 150 to Outspark.

[dark94]

Well thats my opinion.
And I made those statements based on my experiences and other threads in General discusssions. Please read other threads in General Discussion as well. Please do some researches before posting.

And dont assume something that is not correct. I never buy tough cookies. And dont be so offensive. I hope Fiesta administrators and GMs are not like this. I hope they can listen to and receive critics.

Why noobs are being favoured? Geez. Why level 60 players can enter lv 70 abyss?

Because they need to have more players.

And please use "new players" if you don't want a flame thread.

You don't want to be disrespected when you start a new MMO, don't you?

[Hemmes]

Yet another person who doesnt know the meaning of the word 'noob'...

I find this tricky. Im glad they earn the money to keep this game free, but i have to admit that the prices are most definitaly a reason for me never to buy SC. P2P games are 'cheaper' if you want the full gaming experience. From what ive heard, the price of a high lvl+9 is what you pay for two months of P2P games.

I dont think 2 million people play fiesta but I do have the feeling that outspark is not exactly in money trouble. I dont mind them being commercial but lower your prices!

And its not all onsonsoft. Outspark is a customer to onson. And they can request certain changes and im pretty sure they can choose not to implement certain patches.

Yoshimaru: good to know you can be 8x without SC, thx for that.

[fireblaz10]

if they are cormercila, thats their way....because they need to make money to live right?(the staff and gms,still need water and food,like us)

[dark94]

Maybe they could review their business model ...

F2P games are great because you can play for free.

On the other side, you can buy premium items to get bonus and you can pay more than what you pay for a P2P game.

It seems to you that Fiesta is too commercial because some SC users take advantage of their SC items to ruin the fun of other players. That's all.

[DF001]

I just wish all the chests spawned in the events didn't have t1 mats.

[shane3x]

It doesn't bother me too much that OS is doing whatever possible to try to make money of us, it's a business after all. Except for the fact that all aspects of game play are being used to do so. There is a limit on how far it can go, before they **** the majority of players off so much people leave in hordes. I think the game, for the most part should be playable without having to spend SC, and that SC items are luxuries.

However OS is slowly making the game unplayable without SC. Take trying to make money for example, unless you spend money to open up the other slots vending with the intention of making a decent amount of profit goes out the window at higher levels. NPC'ing drops isn't enough and it gets very expensive to just get by with the basics, with gears, stones, skills at these higher levels.

OS needs to realise that what is going on at the moment cannot go on for much longer, instead of putting short term 'higher' profits above long term sustainability they need to find the balance of game play and SC. Even if they changed how things run to a minimum level to make the majority of the players happy they will find SC sales will go up, because people won't be leaving the game so soon.

Sadly enough I don't think OS will ever change, and it's going to ruin a good game. I do get shivers down my shine to think what it will be like when the level cap is raised.

[kimikawaii]

OutSpark is a business, we're the customers.

[sirviney]

Anyone here think that fiesta is too commercial? Give your opinions and comments here.

I think it is. Below are my reasons.

1.) Most patches here are actually for commercial purposes. This event, that event (dancing event, santa event, new pets, thomas the turkey what?!?!). Its good to give some options such as new pets, new mounts, gender change, wedding appication, etc. but if that's all what Fiesta to offer, its..its just.. unbelievable.. this is a game.. Fiesta should not only focus with those accessories, but also with the game play. I know this is a free game, but if you just want to sell, open a shop, not a game. Give more patches for the game improvement, not an event that eventually force people to BUY things from the store to join. Its a free game dude =,=

2.) It favours noobs too much. Most patches favours them. At least thats what I conclude from people's complaints in the forum such as abyss, etc. Why noobs? Not too prejudice, may be they are just easier to get tricked. "Ting.. Ting.. Hide and Seek event.. Find GM XXX in forest of mist.. and win mini honeying.. use Pink Raccoon to find me quickly.." what?!?!. At the end, a marketing message is delivered. BUY Pink Raccoon to get a mini honeying?. :o

3.) When someone's complaining about losing exp when get killed in abyss? the GM just replied thats intended. Yea, i know, that means you have to BUY teva.

4.) and so on.

Lets do an open debate here.
Pros and cons are expected.

Thumbs down - Take a seat son.

[dark94]

It doesn't bother me too much that OS is doing whatever possible to try to make money of us, it's a business after all. Except for the fact that all aspects of game play are being used to do so. There is a limit on how far it can go, before they **** the majority of players off so much people leave in hordes. I think the game, for the most part should be playable without having to spend SC, and that SC items are luxuries.

However OS is slowly making the game unplayable without SC. Take trying to make money for example, unless you spend money to open up the other slots vending with the intention of making a decent amount of profit goes out the window at higher levels. NPC'ing drops isn't enough and it gets very expensive to just get by with the basics, with gears, stones, skills at these higher levels.

OS needs to realise that what is going on at the moment cannot go on for much longer, instead of putting short term 'higher' profits above long term sustainability they need to find the balance of game play and SC. Even if they changed how things run to a minimum level to make the majority of the players happy they will find SC sales will go up, because people won't be leaving the game so soon.

Sadly enough I don't think OS will ever change, and it's going to ruin a good game. I do get shivers down my shine to think what it will be like when the level cap is raised.

FALSE.

You think that because:
- you want "decent" stats on your gears,
- you want to be know because you manage to something that most players of your level can't,
- you want to reach faster high level because there are high level players,
- you want to be asked for party instead of looking for (mwhahaha, try to solo as a Fighter with shiny stuff on you ... it's boring to decline all the party invit sometimes while you tank a bunch of mobs).

If you don't care that much, you are still be able to play but yes, you will feel:
- slower than anyone,
- not cool or crazy if you use NPC or crap gears,
- squishier because you will be for sure :D

Just look who are the POTM and now you will think that you NEED buying SC, but it's not the truth ... OS try to make you buy SC, YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO

*Have you ever wonder why heavy SC users won't never be jailed or banned?*

[sirviney]

Trust me heavy spark cash users will be jailed or banned if they break the rules - Take Sylvia for example.

[Miazma]

and pvp shouldent invole EXP loss abyss or not

LOL PVP should involve exp loss :D That is the nature of PVP.

Well, here is a story about abyss..
Early 2008, there was no forest of perimeter. Therefore abyss were scattered.
Mid 2008, all abyss were put into forest of perimeter. The main reason to it is to make players easier to access it. Good job Fiesta. Thanks for that. Besides that, it is intended for players to earn some money and leveling. Because the money and exp from quests are not enough. Also, leveling let say in Uruga by killing orc will make those with orc quest (not just for leveling) hard to find some orcs. Thats why, abyss are grouped.
Late 2008, the level cap to enter abyss was changed. Low level players can enter almost all abyss. Higher level players actually can just kill the new players, bring their guild into it. But it is just not ethical.

If you said, 'we dont even have to go there' thats right, but what are abyss made for? Please tell me whats the purpose o abyss?

We complain because we love Fiesta and used to play a fun game. But when it is not good game anymore, we just want it to be good again. Or you just say, 'we dont even have to play Fiesta'?

I wont reply to your post again. Because the more you talk, the more obvious that you do not understand the system here. And I believe high level players agree with me.

Abyss is for the people who CHOOSE to play that type of game. For those who do NOT we have the NON PVP maps. To say we do not get enough exp from quests is such a fib :P If they make this game much easier in the lower levels they will be starting us all at lvl 89 :D

It seems to you that Fiesta is too commercial because some SC users take advantage of their SC items to ruin the fun of other players. That's all.

Nobody else has the power to ruin your fun. We are the masters of our state of mind.

*Have you ever wonder why heavy SC users won't never be jailed or banned?*

WOW someone doesnt read the forums very often. Just recently a large group of heavy sc users were banned for account sharing. Using sc does not save you if you break the rules.

[dark94]

WOW someone doesnt read the forums very often. Just recently a large group of heavy sc users were banned for account sharing. Using sc does not save you if you break the rules.

They have been banned because they have charge back or because the person with which they have shared account info to buy SC has used false/stolen credit card.

Now, find me a regular SC banned or jailed.

[dark94]

Trust me heavy spark cash users will be jailed or banned if they break the rules - Take Sylvia for example.

O.o

I am suppose to know Sylvia? Who is it?

I'm only on Apoline, so, sorry if I don't know other "gods" ROFL

[Ciocolajs]

Trust me heavy spark cash users will be jailed or banned if they break the rules - Take Sylvia for example.
blacklisting? I thought you, as a forum nerd would know you arent supposed to blacklist <3
May god bless you

[sirviney]

blacklisting? I thought you, as a forum nerd would know you arent supposed to blacklist <3
May god bless you

Sorry to spoil your fun, but that's not blacklisting.

O.o

I am suppose to know Sylvia? Who is it?

I'm only on Apoline, so, sorry if I don't know other "gods" ROFL

It was the first person in Fiesta [Any server] to cap 59 and 79. You should know her.

[dark94]

It was the first person in Fiesta [Any server] to cap 59 and 79. You should know her.

Oh yeah, I remember now :D

I started playing Fiesta at this moment, so I hadn't really care that someone playing 18h per day hit the cap first.

Now, I don't know if he/she has broken ToS or legal rules (aka charging back/not usable credit card) to being banned. I bet that was legal rules because I don't know any case of ban involving ToS breakage these days (it could happened before but at this moment, no chance).

I wonder if he/she stayed shouting how he/she is bored in uruga :confused: :p

[Ciocolajs]

Sorry to spoil your fun, but that's not blacklisting.


sorry baby i always have fun
and ofc i wouldnt know that since hehehe and you hehe :P

[Poisoned77]

I don't think the game is too commercial, I think people are.

I read constantly of people claiming to spend hundreds of dollars a month on virtual cash...whatever happened to disciplined spending. I would kill myself if I went that crazy with my money, especially for the age group of this game...the revenue stream can't be very strong.

Nobody is forcing you to buy nines and perfects, charms, cookies, cash pots, etc. etc. etc. The responsibility is in your hands.

[palmfruits]

I don't think the game is too commercial, I think people are.

I read constantly of people claiming to spend hundreds of dollars a month on virtual cash...whatever happened to disciplined spending. I would kill myself if I went that crazy with my money, especially for the age group of this game...the revenue stream can't be very strong.

Nobody is forcing you to buy nines and perfects, charms, cookies, cash pots, etc. etc. etc. The responsibility is in your hands.

I agree. It may seem that they want you to buy the items, but as someone mentioned before, it's a business. This is how a business runs. They do what they have to. I wouldn't complain much though, because for a free game, they offer many things and their are very few (if any at all) things that are limited to people. The only one being using spark cash. So I can reach a high level without even using spark cash (maybe). but at least I won't have to be frustrated because there's a premium and free membership.

With the whole Abyss issue, you're warned that you may be targeted. It doesn't matter by who, but you may be targeted. The abyss pretty much brings in the whole "real factor" I guess. Because outside of the abyss you can't kill other players and you're only limited to the monsters. In the abyss, it's a free for all. A kind of freedom that's normally not there.

[caliab]

I don't think the game is too commercial, I think people are.

I read constantly of people claiming to spend hundreds of dollars a month on virtual cash...whatever happened to disciplined spending. I would kill myself if I went that crazy with my money, especially for the age group of this game...the revenue stream can't be very strong.

Nobody is forcing you to buy nines and perfects, charms, cookies, cash pots, etc. etc. etc. The responsibility is in your hands.


As an ex-heavy sc user I didn't like the prices of items in the shop. And I stopped spending. End of story. If other ppl don't like how "commercial" outspark is then don't buy the stuff. They'll realize that particular item isn't selling and will either have a sale or remove that item. The power is pretty much in our hands.

[autarchaurzel]

considering OS cant change the game, what do you want them to work on? needle point?
i hear people complaning how OS makes it that the only way to play is with cs items, OS doesnt make it like this, they put stuff in the cs to help, its your choice to go buy them
people complain there's pkers all over abyss and they're losing exp, OS pushes the blessing of teva then everyone complains that OS wont fix the exp loss because it promotes sales of blessing of teva ... in poisoned's own words which i agree with 100%:

Nobody is forcing you to buy nines and perfects, charms, cookies, cash pots, etc. etc. etc. The responsibility is in your hands.

[in_spots]

1.) It doesn't bother me too much that OS is doing whatever possible to try to make money of us, it's a business after all. Except for the fact that all aspects of game play are being used to do so. There is a limit on how far it can go, before they **** the majority of players off so much people leave in hordes. I think the game, for the most part should be playable without having to spend SC, and that SC items are luxuries.

2.) However OS is slowly making the game unplayable without SC. Take trying to make money for example, unless you spend money to open up the other slots vending with the intention of making a decent amount of profit goes out the window at higher levels. NPC'ing drops isn't enough and it gets very expensive to just get by with the basics, with gears, stones, skills at these higher levels.

3.) OS needs to realise that what is going on at the moment cannot go on for much longer, instead of putting short term 'higher' profits above long term sustainability they need to find the balance of game play and SC. Even if they changed how things run to a minimum level to make the majority of the players happy they will find SC sales will go up, because people won't be leaving the game so soon.

Sadly enough I don't think OS will ever change, and it's going to ruin a good game. I do get shivers down my shine to think what it will be like when the level cap is raised.

I pretty much agree with you shane.
And I feel there are more and more people that misunderstood what I originally meant by commercial. As in the Oxford Dictionary, 2002,
commercial (disapproving) or commercialism is the fact of being more interested in making money than in the value or quality of things.

From point 1 and 2 in the quotation above. Thats what I meant. Fiesta is getting commercial by changing the game play to make players getting harder to play if they do not buy the spark cash. I do not and never regret what I have spent on spark cash. But, Its just, why Fiesta (or whatsoever the company's name is) does it quite extreme. For instance, enhance a +9 gears with red eye and blue mile only is hard, therefore expensive. AND now, we are required to buy the gold nine as well. Yea I know, I dont have to buy that gold nine thing. But, how much more I should fail in enhancing only ONE gear?
And then one said, you dont have to buy +9 gears anyway, but how much extra time should I spend (let say in trumpy's remain) to get an increase of 10% experience? while those with spark cash can do it, let say, 30% faster (with exp boost card) and less frustrated when get killed with Teva?

This might not be felt too much by those in level 82 or lower, especially for those who can earn enough money and experience with the reward from the quest OR do not care when theirs experience get loss when they get killed in abyss OR can increase their experience besides in abyss. But whats abyss for? PVP? There are some PVP arenas already.

Also, how about for those in level 83 and up that have quests in burning rocks. Can you imagine how frustrated it is to go from Uruga to burning rocks with a hobby? Killing high aim enemies with naked gears? And when we need to get plus +9 gears by buying it with some golds, We dont have some golds anymore. Why? The drop rate is so low. The reward from NPC is too low. Also, because our level 60 and 70 abyss where we usually can harvest some golds with our second charcaters there are now taken by lower level players. Then how can we get golds? By doing enhancements for others? Or just kill each other in abyss?
Well yea, you should again say, actually I do not have to get +9 gears. But you should imagine the frustrations to kill enemies without +9 gears (for level 70s and up). Then when we get killed, without Teva. The experience we got by doing one quest might not enough to cover the experience lost when we get killed.
Thats what I meant somehow Fiesta has forgot high level players and favour new players. And to me, high level players are level 75 and up. (please do not debate on when someone should be called a high player. Yea may be I was wrong about the term I used, but this is not the main topic here.)

Also, for those who dont think so about the commercial thing , please bring your friend here, and answer the poll. May be it can be used by Outspark's marketing team as a feedback and research material.

And also, in the end, those who cons with what I said may say to me, If you dont like Fiesta that much, then just leave because actually staffs of Fiesta also need money, water, food, etc. Thats true,
But, although its a free to play game, but we are the customers. We also have the right to talk. Because we are the potential buyer of sparkcash. And actually I dont mind for them to advertise although 'Ting..Ting.. message over and over is somehow annoying.' But I just dont like the way Fiesta urge people to buy spark cash by changing the game play. Thats all and thats what I meant as commercial.
And once again, I do not and never regret on what I have spent on SC.

[repaze0ne]

LOL PVP should involve exp loss :D That is the nature of PVP.

i haven't played many games where u lose exp when u get killed by another player.Usually its money/items/honor/skill points,but also time-when ur exp'ing and get disturbed by pvp u lose time,which is in my eyes alrdy enough.

Before this update pvp didnt exist in fiesta
cuz pvp should involve losing exp -> the nature of pvp

Btw this wasn't a flame really :) u control ur state of mind !

[sirviney]

I pretty much agree with you shane.
And I feel there are more and more people that misunderstood what I originally meant by commercial. As in the Oxford Dictionary, 2002,
commercial (disapproving) or commercialism is the fact of being more interested in making money than in the value or quality of things.

From point 1 and 2 in the quotation above. Thats what I meant. Fiesta is getting commercial by changing the game play to make players getting harder to play if they do not buy the spark cash. I do not and never regret what I have spent on spark cash. But, Its just, why Fiesta (or whatsoever the company's name is) does it quite extreme. For instance, enhance a +9 gears with red eye and blue mile only is hard, therefore expensive. AND now, we are required to buy the gold nine as well. Yea I know, I dont have to buy that gold nine thing. But, how much more I should fail in enhancing only ONE gear?
And then one said, you dont have to buy +9 gears anyway, but how much extra time should I spend (let say in trumpy's remain) to get an increase of 10% experience? while those with spark cash can do it, let say, 30% faster (with exp boost card) and less frustrated when get killed with Teva?

This might not be felt too much by those in level 82 or lower, especially for those who can earn enough money and experience with the reward from the quest OR do not care when theirs experience get loss when they get killed in abyss OR can increase their experience besides in abyss. But whats abyss for? PVP? There are some PVP arenas already.

Also, how about for those in level 83 and up that have quests in burning rocks. Can you imagine how frustrated it is to go from Uruga to burning rocks with a hobby? Killing high aim enemies with naked gears? And when we need to get plus +9 gears by buying it with some golds, We dont have some golds anymore. Why? The drop rate is so low. The reward from NPC is too low. Also, because our level 60 and 70 abyss where we usually can harvest some golds with our second charcaters there are now taken by lower level players. Then how can we get golds? By doing enhancements for others? Or just kill each other in abyss?
Well yea, you should again say, actually I do not have to get +9 gears. But you should imagine the frustrations to kill enemies without +9 gears (for level 70s and up). Then when we get killed, without Teva. The experience we got by doing one quest might not enough to cover the experience lost when we get killed.
Thats what I meant somehow Fiesta has forgot high level players and favour new players. And to me, high level players are level 75 and up. (please do not debate on when someone should be called a high player. Yea may be I was wrong about the term I used, but this is not the main topic here.)

Also, for those who dont think so about the commercial thing , please bring your friend here, and answer the poll. May be it can be used by Outspark's marketing team as a feedback and research material.

And also, in the end, those who cons with what I said may say to me, If you dont like Fiesta that much, then just leave because actually staffs of Fiesta also need money, water, food, etc. Thats true,
But, although its a free to play game, but we are the customers. We also have the right to talk. Because we are the potential buyer of sparkcash. And actually I dont mind for them to advertise although 'Ting..Ting.. message over and over is somehow annoying.' But I just dont like the way Fiesta urge people to buy spark cash by changing the game play. Thats all and thats what I meant as commercial.
And once again, I do not and never regret on what I have spent on SC.


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[IcyPhoenix]

I pretty much agree with you shane.
And I feel there are more and more people that misunderstood what I originally meant by commercial. As in the Oxford Dictionary, 2002,
commercial (disapproving) or commercialism is the fact of being more interested in making money than in the value or quality of things.

From point 1 and 2 in the quotation above. Thats what I meant. Fiesta is getting commercial by changing the game play to make players getting harder to play if they do not buy the spark cash. I do not and never regret what I have spent on spark cash. But, Its just, why Fiesta (or whatsoever the company's name is) does it quite extreme. For instance, enhance a +9 gears with red eye and blue mile only is hard, therefore expensive. AND now, we are required to buy the gold nine as well. Yea I know, I dont have to buy that gold nine thing. But, how much more I should fail in enhancing only ONE gear?
And then one said, you dont have to buy +9 gears anyway, but how much extra time should I spend (let say in trumpy's remain) to get an increase of 10% experience? while those with spark cash can do it, let say, 30% faster (with exp boost card) and less frustrated when get killed with Teva?

This might not be felt too much by those in level 82 or lower, especially for those who can earn enough money and experience with the reward from the quest OR do not care when theirs experience get loss when they get killed in abyss OR can increase their experience besides in abyss. But whats abyss for? PVP? There are some PVP arenas already.

Also, how about for those in level 83 and up that have quests in burning rocks. Can you imagine how frustrated it is to go from Uruga to burning rocks with a hobby? Killing high aim enemies with naked gears? And when we need to get plus +9 gears by buying it with some golds, We dont have some golds anymore. Why? The drop rate is so low. The reward from NPC is too low. Also, because our level 60 and 70 abyss where we usually can harvest some golds with our second charcaters there are now taken by lower level players. Then how can we get golds? By doing enhancements for others? Or just kill each other in abyss?
Well yea, you should again say, actually I do not have to get +9 gears. But you should imagine the frustrations to kill enemies without +9 gears (for level 70s and up). Then when we get killed, without Teva. The experience we got by doing one quest might not enough to cover the experience lost when we get killed.
Thats what I meant somehow Fiesta has forgot high level players and favour new players. And to me, high level players are level 75 and up. (please do not debate on when someone should be called a high player. Yea may be I was wrong about the term I used, but this is not the main topic here.)

Also, for those who dont think so about the commercial thing , please bring your friend here, and answer the poll. May be it can be used by Outspark's marketing team as a feedback and research material.

And also, in the end, those who cons with what I said may say to me, If you dont like Fiesta that much, then just leave because actually staffs of Fiesta also need money, water, food, etc. Thats true,
But, although its a free to play game, but we are the customers. We also have the right to talk. Because we are the potential buyer of sparkcash. And actually I dont mind for them to advertise although 'Ting..Ting.. message over and over is somehow annoying.' But I just dont like the way Fiesta urge people to buy spark cash by changing the game play. Thats all and thats what I meant as commercial.
And once again, I do not and never regret on what I have spent on SC.

You forget acouple of things - You are comparing the exp is slower because of sc, but you are grinding the normal speed, you can't just complain because there is a faster alternative that costs more. As for gold, its not outsparks fault that you cannot make money in the economy, grinding and making money is a way to make money, but there are many other means, ie/ reseller, production skills etc... And yes i agree with you Outspark does favor lower level players, but thats cause they want to keep people interested in the low levels, who would want to play a game that sucked really badly when they first play? So making it nice and balanced at high levels will deter people from getting there as low levels will be broken (Refer to 5x green 79 cap, where every was complaining about how hard it was to level).

[shane3x]

You forget acouple of things - You are comparing the exp is slower because of sc, but you are grinding the normal speed, you can't just complain because there is a faster alternative that costs more. As for gold, its not outsparks fault that you cannot make money in the economy, grinding and making money is a way to make money, but there are many other means, ie/ reseller, production skills etc... And yes i agree with you Outspark does favor lower level players, but thats cause they want to keep people interested in the low levels, who would want to play a game that sucked really badly when they first play? So making it nice and balanced at high levels will deter people from getting there as low levels will be broken (Refer to 5x green 79 cap, where every was complaining about how hard it was to level).

I agree on the first part to a certain extent. I think OS needs to do something for the established players though how little it may be, otherwise once the 'free-ride' is over the game becomes less attractive to continue. That doesn't go to say it should be at all easy later on.

Reselling can be a good way to make money, although at slow periods within the game (less players, less money going around) it hurts the non-SC players more because they don't have anything to fall back on. Production stuff vending requires an initial investment in scrolls (T2 prod scrolls for 2g+?, You'd need to sell a lot of scrolls just to cover the costs of that). Some people can manage with the economy fine, some can't. It seems it's currently more towards the later.

We aren't going to see a day where any/all aspect of game play is added/changed for balance instead of profit. I saw the screenies before where people have access to better hobbies at the npc, think OS will ever give those to us when that patch comes out? Course not.

[Flaming_Slayer]

Seriously ? SERIOUSLY ?? Omg I heard this 600 times already. You don't like losing exp in Abyss then don't damn go there. No one makes you go there. If you wish to go there, you enter AT YOUR OWN RISK. for crying out loud stop complaining people. Onsonsoft didnt make the Fiesta totaly based on PvP. There are games where PvP is everything..... many races all against each other and if you die you lose stuff money exp... everywhere even in your clan's town, and here you whine about losing exp in place where YOU decide to go and don't even HAVE to go. -.- this is getting really old.

Yea seriously, you have a problem with me having issues with how they are taking it, i honestly could care less how many times you heard it, yea we all know its at your own risk, but when your in there minding your own buisness an people come out of no where to kill you for a spot or just to be a jerk "for fun", yea im gonna complain about that, so get used to it.

[omoidake]

You have to remember though that it is the commercial gimmickry and the selling of all of these items that allows the game to still be free to play. You can't have free without the company making money in one way or another. MOST people won't program for free.

You really shouldn't complain about something so trivial. Sure you have to download a patch that's like 10 megs. (OMGSH 5 hours later) Then you have to deal with playing while not playing.

I'm not trying to flame here, but seriously think about things before you post them. If you did something and had a job you'd want to get paid right? Well, this is how the people who work for Outspark get paid and how we have a free game to play.