What is going on?

[sirviney]

Seriously what is all this negativity? Every day I see a thread that's against outspark and all I can think is "***"?

Let me make some points while I can:

1. Outspark is free to play and I have had NO PROBLEM leveling without spark cash.

2. Any downtime that outspark has including any sort of server maintenance, per the ToS can occur at any time. They don't even have to warn you and yet you all moan when they take 10 minutes longer than expected.

3. YOU ARE CUSTOMERS AND OUTSPARK IS A BUSINESS. The game is free to play and of course there is a cash shop - The reason that outspark enphysizes the cash shop so much is so they can keep it that way - free to play. They don't make the game - Ons onsoft does. They only deal with the cash shop, website, troubleshooting, licensing, managing, promotion, marketing etc.

4. Just common knowledge if you have a problem or are agrivated about something please for god sake don't make a rant thread about it (Hypocritical? Yes.). All that does is make me want to come to your house and punch you in the face.

5. In my opinion outspark has one of the best GM teams I've seen. Please tell me of another gaming site that has a better team. I'd like to see it.

6. We don't care if you quit - Don't post a thread on it and on why you're quitting.

7. Outspark has been going through some major changes lately including that of the new Profile system as well as many new In Game changes. These in turn will allow for more updates such as the walk in house, more towns, etc.... Of course some things will be faulty - It's software dude.

8. Ons onsoft provides outspark with patches - If they omit the data that a patch has it's their fault, not outspark's. Also take into account that some things might occur that they don't even know about, so before you start moaning to outspark about how much the latest patch sucks just report it as a bug.

9. Please for the love of god get over the "Economy" We have enough of that in reality, I see no problem in the "Outspark Economy" if something goes up in price, so be it. Keep it in game.


That's all I've got. If you noticed any outright errors keep them to yourself. I could care less.

[ARWINDER]

Omfg owned

[YoshimaruOrona]

Let me make some points while I can:


Going somewhere? o.O


6. We don't care if you quit - Don't post a thread on it and on why you're quitting.

That's all I've got. If you noticed any outright errors keep them to yourself. I could care less.

Lmao. So many things I could say here.
But I'll just sit here and laugh instead. xD

[sirviney]

Going somewhere? o.O



Lmao. So many things I could say here.
But I'll just sit here and laugh instead. xD

While I still can meaning before the likes of you and those without any brain mass read and comment.

[undefined]

Agreed. There's also a ton of immaturity and repetitive whining over the same subject in the forums. I don't even have to give hints on that. People need to just grow up. Fiesta will never be bug-free, just like every other MMORPG out there. And honestly, we don't NEED sc so I don't see why people complain over it. I was in beta and it wasn't hard to level; they haven't made it any harder either. Back then there was no sc.

Anyway, I'm rambling again...

[Fre_ak]

i think im in love with u =3

[autarchaurzel]

you tell 'em

[elisagiven]

This thread should be closed You cannot improve upon perfection ^o^

[DF001]

it's not just against outspark, but also against the players, I can't make a point on a thread without getting flamed,

[UzumakiW]

Sirviney = pure awesomeness.

Got to say I agree with most of what you said here.

[lenore_lurks]

*Gives you ten gold stars*

[Hemmes]

Why dont we make this a usefull topic and start a discussion about pvp and xp loss in the abyss... >.>

[Ciocolajs]

Viva la revolution andale!!! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[autarchaurzel]

yeah because abyss is never talked about here >.>

[YoshimaruOrona]

*deleted post* Go to next post pl0x

[SweetLavender]

Well said Mr. Viney ;o

[YoshimaruOrona]

Since I see flames coming my way (for what reason I dont know), I'm not gonna bother to respond.

You know everything. I know nothing. I praise your all-knowing all-powerful w/e w/e w/e

Peace~

[Chaola]

Well, I aggree that sometimes it's too much, but sometimes it's useful...

When you see Sking saying in a post that he didn't know about bug X...

If there hadn't been at least 5 topics speaking about the problem, he wouldn't have looked in and still would be blessfully ignorant...

The forums are our only way to communicate with the staff... And even then, it's not much, we're mostly ignored...

So, what should we do ? Ask nothing, say nothing, and quit the game I guess...

[Plushii]

What I don't get is the path of d00m, so many people are against it, and they don't listen to us.
They put up dungeon restrictions again, and a short time after that remove them again O_o
What's going on?

And you think it's weird people complain? Though onsoft is probable the blame for it.

[autarchaurzel]

they're seeing how much we'll take before we quick? XD

[Miazma]

Seriously what is all this negativity? Every day I see a thread that's against outspark and all I can think is "***"?

That's all I've got. If you noticed any outright errors keep them to yourself. I could care less.

Not sure which is worse the negative threads or the suckups. They dont give *brownie points* for these threads any more than they do for the negative ones. That is possibly because this is a forum for the general player base on the game to use and they realise things arent always positive.

Simple solution to not having to read the negativity is in YOUR POWER. Yeah it is a simple one it is called *Close thread*.

[sirviney]

Simple solution to not having to read the negativity is in YOUR POWER. Yeah it is a simple one it is called *Close thread*.

How do you figure that closing a thread is in my power?

[ToorimaKun]

outspark is partly at fault... they try and push it saying that they have NO say in game patches and such... but they do have SOME say.

the only changes that i have seen that have not been CS related since it came out have been the remodeling of roumen and the Block option. *changes that are not already planed by the devas*

they seem to mainly care about the CS and not trying to improve the game play.

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ALSO, the community has gone to crap... when i use to play the only mean thing people did was tell people begging for a Plevel to go the hell away.

now we have people training people on purpose calling people that have noticeably played for awhile noobs just to try and **** them off and contently getting KSed.

-------

and lastly the major char un-balance.... there is no way some one should be able to SOLO any KING mob.
clerics although my fav are highly over powered and mobs are to weak.

[DF001]

How do you figure that closing a thread is in my power?

haha, someone thought viney was a CL xD

[Valentyn]

Go viney go ?

[Miazma]

How do you figure that closing a thread is in my power?

You are the one that controls what you view on the forums. If you open a thread and dont like it the power is all yours. Close the thread and move to the next one.

More than obvious you arent a CL so the obvious meaning of *Close the thread* is either use your back button and leave the thread :D

[sirviney]

outspark is partly at fault... they try and push it saying that they have NO say in game patches and such... but they do have SOME say.

the only changes that i have seen that have not been CS related since it came out have been the remodeling of roumen and the Block option. *changes that are not already planed by the devas*

they seem to mainly care about the CS and not trying to improve the game play.

---------

ALSO, the community has gone to crap... when i use to play the only mean thing people did was tell people begging for a Plevel to go the hell away.

now we have people training people on purpose calling people that have noticeably played for awhile noobs just to try and **** them off and contently getting KSed.

-------

and lastly the major char un-balance.... there is no way some one should be able to SOLO any KING mob.
clerics although my fav are highly over powered and mobs are to weak.


Lets see - They released lvl 89, They released Helga.... They released a new BG, they released a barrage of new skills, some new maps, etc.

Must I go on?

You are the one that controls what you view on the forums. If you open a thread and dont like it the power is all yours. Close the thread and move to the next one.

More than obvious you arent a CL so the obvious meaning of *Close the thread* is either use your back button and leave the thread :D

My whole point is that I shouldn't need to do that, and I can hardly ever find a civilized thread that is interesting. Something changed in the community and it's pissing me off.

[autarchaurzel]

it seems the abyss release has made people forget everything that happened before like viney pointed out ...

[dark94]

Go Viney !!! :D

Miazma, all you do is posting useless comments against the OP ...
wth capped paly have also a disease ? Thought only fighters are really sensitive against that ... *I'm sure you know what I call a disease ... he he*

Back the topic:
OS depends on OnsOnSoft willing and deliveries for new features, at least OS releases new items on the shop.

What else do you think they could do if OnsOnSoft doesn't delivers to them the desired patch ??

Anyway, don't ask me why the Korean version is more advanced than OS one, i don't know how the internalization is managed in Fiesta and if it hadn't been planned in the earlier stage, believe me, it's very hard to do that later.

[autarchaurzel]

its more advaned because its been around for longer i believe

[dark94]

it seems the abyss release has made people forget everything that happened before like viney pointed out ...

True like a brain washing :D

[Ciocolajs]

Your words touched my heart <3

[ethercloud7aol.com]

While I still can meaning before the likes of you and those without any brain mass read and comment.

Why so hostile :D Its a game lets have fun :P

[Ciocolajs]

agreed. some take the game to seriously :D

[ethercloud7aol.com]

Well, I aggree that sometimes it's too much, but sometimes it's useful...

When you see Sking saying in a post that he didn't know about bug X...

If there hadn't been at least 5 topics speaking about the problem, he wouldn't have looked in and still would be blessfully ignorant...

The forums are our only way to communicate with the staff... And even then, it's not much, we're mostly ignored...

So, what should we do ? Ask nothing, say nothing, and quit the game I guess...

I completely agree, the forum is here for a reason, people just because your a jerk and want to complain about other people complaining your no better then everyone else. If you dont like the thread read someone elses. K Thx bye go slit emo w/e

[ethercloud7aol.com]

outspark is partly at fault... the community has gone to crap...now we have people on purpose trying to **** noobs off by constantly KS'ing

Yeah (me)<- guilty as charged, sry for ksing lolz

[sirviney]

Question - When did I say I was better than anyone? Don't start making stuff up to back your theories please. It's really not necessary.

[DF001]

Yeah (me)<- guilty as charged, sry for ksing lolz

Congratulations, you won a ban card.

[sirviney]

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h82/empgenkhan/BanHammer.jpg

There you go.

[undeadgun]

I kinda have to agree with viney on this one. Too many whining thread lately, people seems like forget about the fun of this game. People that arent pleased by OS: Less QQ, more Pew Pew!

[Saruin]

In that case. Since I obviously should not be posting any feedback or my opinions, why should I bother coming the forums?

What? Poor widdle Outspark wants their forum to be all daisies and butterflies?

[Celtic_Princess]

Eh, while you may not like the complaints, it is their right as a customer to voice their opinions. Even I have come across topics where I just have to put in my 2c. even if its not liked.

If you find you want more intelligent conversations in the forums, create topics that facilitate that kind of environment...but remember that people do come on the forums to vent their frustration about certain in game situations. Its not like I'm going to go running to my boyfriend about all the in game drama...he'll just give me a funny look, call me a dork and be on his way. Posting about it in the forums assures that people with similar interests and a knowledge of the situation itself see it.

Whether they agree or disagree with you is another thing, but realize that a lot of people come on here, vent, and then get over it. With each new patch theres a new topic that they cover...and it seems like copious amounts of threads are created to go over every tiny little detail of whatever the topic may be. Its the easiest way, and the most logical place for Outsparks customers to give their feedback...be it good or bad.

Personally, if I have something good to say to Outspark its meant for specific members of the staff...so I send my comments directly to them to make sure that they see it. Every now and then I see a 'Thank You Outspark' thread pop up. I do agree that there are a lot of threads that hold negative or pessimistic connotations lately, but there were a ton of them after the last cap raise too...things cooled down and got better for a while and then they went down again. Its like a roller coaster, going up and down all the time may make you want to get off but in the end you're itching to get back on.

[Panma]

My question remains:

You defend Outspark, yet all the positive things you list are all done by OnsOnSoft.

You fight so hard to make the distinction between the two companies, and yet you credit Outspark with everything that OnsOnSoft does.

You say that Outspark has no control over the updates, yet list updates as things they have "given" us.
Lets see - They released lvl 89, They released Helga.... They released a new BG, they released a barrage of new skills, some new maps, etc.

Must I go on?

The game may be developed by OnsOnSoft, but it is published by Outspark. Therefore Outspark takes responsibility. They do have the right to say "we are working with the developer on this problem," but that does not excuse them.

If the game has bugs, issues, or problems, why does Outspark not test the patches beforehand? I've seen them say multiple times that they have their own test server, yet they let major bugs slip past. Anyone remember when the animations all screwed up? How could they miss that? Or what about Burning Rock and the server roll back?

Or, they didn't miss the bugs, and decided to release the patch anyways.

Either they are incompetent, or don't care. Take your pick.

You may say that Outsparks GM team is the best you've seen, but you obviously haven't ever seen their bad side. I've seen harassment (and reported it), I've been harassed (and reported it), and I see no apologies. The GM's that do make a difference have left.

In short, you may complain about the negativity, when in fact you are only feeding it with more negativity. Two wrongs don't make a right, et cetera...

Also take this into account:
If we want to complain about Fiesta, who do we contact? OnsOnSoft? What's their contact information? I've personally searched for a website, e-mail, anything and have found nothing. Outspark does not give us their contact information, so where do our complaints go? Do they vanish into thin air? No, they go to the next available recipient, and that's (oh my god...) Outspark.

[fi_esta]

4. Just common knowledge if you have a problem or are agrivated about something please for god sake don't make a rant thread about it (Hypocritical? Yes.). All that does is make me want to come to your house and punch you in the face.

you are obviously the one who should, for god sake, stop making rants

[DF001]

you are obviously the one who should, for god sake, stop making rants

How about you stop posting..?

[Panma]

How about you stop posting..?

Why are you being so counter productive?

[grummin]

How about you stop posting..?

Good advice. Have you considered following it?

[DF001]

Why are you being so counter productive?

Viney is trying to make a point, coming here and just be like ''omg why don't you stop making these threads'' without any point is plainless stupid.

Good advice. Have you considered following it?

Don't talk to me, 1 monther.

[slowzrhoh]

there are pros and cons to everything..life, religion, morals,....fiesta.. etc. it all depends on how each individual percieves things based on their own knowledge and views. you can concoct an argument for both sides. outspark sucks because __________.
outspark is sweet because __________. Sooooo basically you can argue back and forth without winning or losing....but then again this is just my opinion and somebody will disagree with me. ;D

[fi_esta]

Viney is trying to make a point, coming here and just be like ''omg why don't you stop making these threads'' without any point is plainless stupid.



Don't talk to me, 1 monther.

I have never, NEVER, seen any post from you with any point so far.

[DF001]

I have never, NEVER, seen any post from you with any point so far.

Rofl.. Go check through my 5.3k posts.

[Celtic_Princess]

O.o play nice peoples, lay off the personal attacks.

@Slowzrhoh- I agree, the difference in perception from person to person will pretty much guarantee that someone finds a pro where another find a con. As such, as long as someone has an opinion that they want to express we will continue to find 'rant threads' and 'pointless threads' and 'spam threads'. However, what is useless to one person may be a relevant topic to another.

[Panma]

And as I've seen in some rant threads, CM_Saphar actually takes more interest in the negative rants than he does in any other thread.

[Celtic_Princess]

And as I've seen in some rant threads, CM_Saphar actually takes more interest in the negative rants than he does in any other thread.

The CMs are actually one of the best improvements with Outspark that I've seen lately. They're incredibly active in the forums and they actually speak with the players. I've also seen a couple of GMs starting to take more notice with things going on in the forums...and honestly that impresses me. I sent a PM to those people thanking them for doing so...I think that the quick responses from the CMs/GMs lately on the forums is a step in the right direction for Outspark in terms of customer service.

[Panma]

I didn't say the responses were quick, if you get a response at all. What I said is that instead of taking into account positive feedback, they are more likely to take notice of negative feedback. This is evident by CM_Saphar who seems to like closing threads at the same time he is letting the original poster know that he wants to talk to them. Yet I've yet to see him post in a positive feedback thread, most likely because he has no reason to close it.

Otherwise I think the CM's are a waste of resources. I can't say I even know what CM stands for.

[UzumakiW]

Otherwise I think the CM's are a waste of resources. I can't say I even know what CM stands for.

CM = Community Manager

Now you know ;).

[CM_Saphar]

O.o play nice peoples, lay off the personal attacks.

I don't like issuing infractions. It isn't fun. As Celtic_Princess said, let's lay off the personal attacks.

And as I've seen in some rant threads, CM_Saphar actually takes more interest in the negative rants than he does in any other thread.

You called? :)

I love discussion. I love feedback. I don't love harassment and personal attacks. Keep it constructive, please.

[in_spots]

Seriously what is all this negativity? Every day I see a thread that's against outspark and all I can think is "***"?

Let me make some points while I can:

1. Outspark is free to play and I have had NO PROBLEM leveling without spark cash.

2. Any downtime that outspark has including any sort of server maintenance, per the ToS can occur at any time. They don't even have to warn you and yet you all moan when they take 10 minutes longer than expected.

3. YOU ARE CUSTOMERS AND OUTSPARK IS A BUSINESS. The game is free to play and of course there is a cash shop - The reason that outspark enphysizes the cash shop so much is so they can keep it that way - free to play. They don't make the game - Ons onsoft does. They only deal with the cash shop, website, troubleshooting, licensing, managing, promotion, marketing etc.

4. Just common knowledge if you have a problem or are agrivated about something please for god sake don't make a rant thread about it (Hypocritical? Yes.). All that does is make me want to come to your house and punch you in the face.

5. In my opinion outspark has one of the best GM teams I've seen. Please tell me of another gaming site that has a better team. I'd like to see it.

6. We don't care if you quit - Don't post a thread on it and on why you're quitting.

7. Outspark has been going through some major changes lately including that of the new Profile system as well as many new In Game changes. These in turn will allow for more updates such as the walk in house, more towns, etc.... Of course some things will be faulty - It's software dude.

8. Ons onsoft provides outspark with patches - If they omit the data that a patch has it's their fault, not outspark's. Also take into account that some things might occur that they don't even know about, so before you start moaning to outspark about how much the latest patch sucks just report it as a bug.

9. Please for the love of god get over the "Economy" We have enough of that in reality, I see no problem in the "Outspark Economy" if something goes up in price, so be it. Keep it in game.


That's all I've got. If you noticed any outright errors keep them to yourself. I could care less.

Comment for the introduction part. Thats what people think about Fiesta. Let people tell about their pros and cons. Its not fair if what people can talk about are only about the positives of outspark. Thats what the media called as a 'feedback'. It contains both the positives and negatives.
When I read your thread here, I just suddenly remember the video in Youtube of a girl of Britney's fan crying that says: 'leave Britney alone!' lol (Hypocritical? No.)

1.) Yea thats what you think. And you of course can say that. You have a right to talk. And no one said 'why lately I heard people say about the positive things about Fiesta'. If you can tell your pros, why other people cant tell about their cons? If the cons are just too much, and just a little of pros, it may be better for Fiesta to respond quickly.

2.) If Fiesta dont even have to warn us, and no news about that, then how can people know when the maintenance will be finished? How can we know that its only going to take 10 mins longer? C'mon, its a democratic world, therefore everyone can express what they think about anything as long its ethical i.e. in the right place, time etc.

3.) No one will complain if all other free games are like this, which means too commercial, emphasise too much on selling products because its just common in the free game. But it is not too common, thats why people complain.
Why do you care so much in defending Outspark? What I know is Fiesta from outspark. From what you say is like, for instance, I buy a franchise from Mcdonalds, then when people complain about the orange juice that taste like apple juice, I will just say, I dont know, Im just selling it, I buy the license from McDonalds in the US. Go and come to the them in the US to complain about it. Duh?! I buy a license, so I have the right to tell the Mcdonalds' headquarters about this thing since my money is with the headquarter.

4.) Its 2008. Problems should not be solved with violence. Anyway whats their problems? Do those problems annoy you that much? any examples? any proves?

5.) Again, its what you think. And you are free to tell what you think.

6.) Are you sure that outspark really dont wanna know why? Or its just you that dont want to?

7.) Yea new profile system etc. But what the biggest thing they do lately to improve the game play? Town etc is important. But game play is important as well.

8.) Has been answered by others previously in this thread. You said this in point number 3. "they only deal with the cash shop, website, troubleshooting, licensing, managing, promotion, marketing etc." They do trouble-shooting. Yea thats the one.

9.) As what you have said as well before, WE ARE CUSTOMERS. You should learn more about the rights of buyers and sellers. We can 'moan', but it doesn't mean that Fiesta have to reduce the price. But Fiesta should be careful, because if the customers feel the price is not right, and no one will but the products. You said that OUTSPARK IS A BUSINESS. Which one is better to a business, the customers just leave the business straight away without saying one word, or the customers 'moan' or give feedbacks and then they wait if there is a change to that business regarding their feedback before they leave the business?

:)

[grummin]

Don't talk to me, 1 monther.

I don't see CM or CL in front of your name. So, just like you're allowed to PvP, I'm allowed to post. You don't have to like it, nor do you have to read it. But until a CM or CL calls me down over a rules violation, I don't have to stop. Your wishes in the matter are entirely irrelevant.

[DF001]

I don't see CM or CL in front of your name. So, just like you're allowed to PvP, I'm allowed to post. You don't have to like it, nor do you have to read it. But until a CM or CL calls me down over a rules violation, I don't have to stop. Your wishes in the matter are entirely irrelevant.

I called you 1 monther, because you are only here for 1 month.

[Panma]

You called? :)

I love discussion. I love feedback. I don't love harassment and personal attacks. Keep it constructive, please.

Wasn't meant as a personal attack, though it does kind of prove my point. I think the negative feedback gets more response than positive does. The thread had no response from any staff member until the negative feedback started rolling in, and then CM_Saphar pops out of nowhere like the bloody cheshire cat! (Meant as sort of a compliment, sort of disbelief)



Lastly,

DF001 and Grummin, please keep your opinions about each other to yourselves, or take them to private messages, the discussion in this topic is still being debated and we don't neither either of you cluttering the pages with useless off topic posting.

[CM_Saphar]

Wasn't meant as a personal attack, though it does kind of prove my point. I think the negative feedback gets more response than positive does. The thread had no response from any staff member until the negative feedback started rolling in, and then CM_Saphar pops out of nowhere like the bloody cheshire cat! (Meant as sort of a compliment, sort of disbelief)



Lastly,

DF001 and Grummin, please keep your opinions about each other to yourselves, or take them to private messages, the discussion in this topic is still being debated and we don't neither either of you cluttering the pages with useless off topic posting.

I didn't mean your comment was negative or harassment. I was just reiterating the fact that harassment and personal attacks are my white whale.

And seriously, if the flames keep coming, we'll have no choice but to close this thread.

[Celtic_Princess]

I didn't mean your comment was negative or harassment. I was just reiterating the fact that harassment and personal attacks are my white whale.

And seriously, if the flames keep coming, we'll have no choice but to close this thread.

Out of curiosity, does it say that you are offline even when you are? Thats rather tricksy.

The situation boils down to this, if you're tired of reading the same thread over and over...why open it?

If you want an intellegent conversation, create a new thread with a different topic for people to participate in. There are other solutions to the situation than create a rant thread to complain about rant threads.

Things are changing, and changes cause reactions. The forum is where those reactions are seen...be they good or bad. If I don't like a topic (personally, I'm not a fan of the 'its my b-day give me things' type threads) I don't go near them. I realize that by posting my opinions it opens it up to others who may not agree with me...but if no one talks about the things they like/dislike (and for the record, I saw a thank you outspark thread today) nothing will ever be accomplished.

[Kyo7763]

This thread is hilarious, only like 3 1/2 people know what they are talking about.

Keep it up :D

Good luck :D

[Saruin]

This thread is hilarious, only like 3 1/2 people know what they are talking about.

Keep it up :D

Good luck :D

Good thing we have you to tell us who is right or wrong.

[iAmBao]

6. We don't care if you quit - Don't post a thread on it and on why you're quitting.

something i agree with 100%.

besides that, thanks for stating the obvious in your other points.