Sparkcash pots in PvP.

[MetallicaX]

Ok, my two cents about Sparkcash pots in PvP.
The ability to spam potions that heal 300 hp in PvP is just stupid. With this, a level 50 could sit there and survive a level 96 archer onslaught, just by spamming pots. The point of PvP is to fight, not to spam potions. I could care less if people "spend their hard earned money to get those potions." Saying that only proves that solstice is a sparkcash-based game. A REAL game bases the outcome of PvP on your level, gears, skill, and class, not whether you spend real money on a free to play game.
So how do i suggest this problem solved? 2 ideas:
1) Create a cooldown on the potions. A reasonable one too; like 1 minute for small - 5 minutes for the large hp.
2) Don't allow Sparkcash potions to be used in PvP. If they can nerf skills such as Reticle Trap and Lightning, they can nerf potions.

[deedee479]

ummmmm well if we keep pvp prices ppl who don't want to pay the keep coming in and out buying reg use SC pot DX can't have it both ways i'm sorry but true and ppl who came in to pvp a friend getting jumped by or attacked by others and uses sc to stay alive should be ok.

it goes with "it's pvp " kos is ok
killing ppl while they duel is ok
useing sc pots in pvp is on
"it's pvp"
if u don't want ppl useing it in ur duel then make that known be4 you start and both agree

[deedee479]

I wanna revive this thread because people have had a problem with spark cash pots in pvp and I'd like to hear why and please no flamming just a chat and please note the two top post for a start.

I will say it is annoying for people to do so when you make a deal befor hand not to use pots.
Also note if we are dueling and someone comes over and tries to kill me or the person I'm dueling by all means use pots it's no need to put down them for useing then.

Yes it's pvp and you get killed but please note some come to watch and can not always see what's going on from stands ( you can help in fixing that in my watch mode for pvp) and these people go into the pvp to get a better look they get attacked they spam them sc pots.

On the note of it used for duels make it known befor duel if you will allow it and it their is a limt to how many they can use and what kind.

Idk if this helps every one on both sides of this issue but I hope it didn't hurt it.

[comp4ssion]

I have a better idea....

Go out and spend some Kron on Tangerines and make some juice.

That way when some noob up to his ears in Sparkcash starts spamming those obnoxious purple 300s, YOU can show him (or her) up with some even MORE obnoxious 500s. 8D

I'm a healer, so I've never had to spam SC HP pots in my life. But wouldn't it be nice to THINK you have a healer who almost never uses SC HP potions on the brink of death, only to see a bright purple 500 when you think you've got it won?

[numb_1986]

i agree partially with this especially #1. the minute cooldown is only fair in pvp but not in pve (mob hunting and lvl-ing).

outspark could also do like..duel option where u can select sc pot usage or not for fairness but well we can suggest but it's up to them to make it happen.

there was once i was dueling with this fella and we agreed no sc pots we used. then in the middle of the longggg fight, suddenly tht fella was using sc pots and i was like >.>

all i can is...it's pvp so we got to face it (example the xen event thingy. no aoe can be used but still ppl using aoe - sigh....)

[poochyenarulez]

wats wrong with sc pots? o.O
they help alot when tring to stay alive, its not like its cheating using sc..
sure its harder to kill people with sc, but they don't want to die so there going to try there best to stay alive


Yes it's pvp and you get killed but please note some come to watch and can not always see what's going on from stands ( you can help in fixing that in my watch mode for pvp) and these people go into the pvp to get a better look they get attacked they spam them sc pots.

well, i want to explore/watch the new maps without having to spam pots or go with some1 super high lvl

pvp is just like regular maps, except pvp is player vs. player and maps are player vs. cpu, same things happen though like the 2 szs and some attack u and others don't ect..

[deedee479]

^ is lost with last comment

but like i said ppl wanna watch and sit with firnes some times .....like a few high lvls we know they dont die as fast but lower lvls who go in to do the same kinda have to spam some pottage .

[ManaKnightMatthew]

wats wrong with sc pots? o.O
they help alot when tring to stay alive, its not like its cheating using sc..
sure its harder to kill people with sc, but they don't want to die so there going to try there best to stay alive


well, i want to explore/watch the new maps without having to spam pots or go with some1 super high lvl

pvp is just like regular maps, except pvp is player vs. player and maps are player vs. cpu, same things happen though like the 2 szs and some attack u and others don't ect..

There's nothing wrong with using SC Pots, just that there seems to be a lot of people in Xen that seem to back down on their word a lot and use SC Pots in PvP as a way to sneak a win for them.

I agree a watch option that shows the whole arena floor would be a good idea to impliment, would save a lot of conflict for PvP events and the like.

My opinion, I'd say the 'Free PvP' arena needs to have a SC Pot Block for a while and see how that works out for a while. If it's a good idea, then something may need to be done so that people that want to play fair can play fair and the unfair ones... well... heh, learn to be fair I guess...

[deedee479]

May be a sc free pvp arena O.o or a thing where u challange ppl to non sc duel . Like a pt or guild invite thing

You right click player and go go down to non sc duel and if they accept they are in able to use sc till you click end duel on side of screen . Will draw pick for it later :) I like this idea. And as for watch mode I'll post link later

[poochyenarulez]

You right click player and go go down to non sc duel and if they accept they are in able to use sc till you click end duel on side of screen . Will draw pick for it later :) I like this idea. And as for watch mode I'll post link later

yea, thats a good idea since its impossible to just ask some1 your dueling to not use sc >.>

and like i said, pvp is like maps(loren, amor ect. o.O)if u want to just watch some1 kill stuff, u will die if an aggro kills u, the only difference is that monsters are cpus, and players aren't

banning sc will just make pvp more fair, yes more fair, but pvp being fair is just dumb, pvp is ment to not be fair, so, how is making pvp fair not fun u ask?
ok, if it was completely fair, u would have to duel some1 will same amout of hp/mp, same def, same attack speed, same stats, same EVERYTHING, and since its completely fair, duels will always end in a tie, if it doesn't, then it was unfair since some1 attacked more or had better stats/def than the other person

[waffaddict]

I'm not sure where i stand on this. It might be ok to have a block on the usage of SC pots if thats the type of pvp you've chosen. The non-SC pot pvp would have a block like how on some quest you can't use return/warp pots. Of course, if that was done, they might as well overhaul the entire thing and include the watch mode/see through dome, etc. ( I'd like to see a watch mode like Wind Slayer)

[TRXSTA]

ok, if it was completely fair, u would have to duel some1 will same amout of hp/mp, same def, same attack speed, same stats, same EVERYTHING, and since its completely fair, duels will always end in a tie, if it doesn't, then it was unfair since some1 attacked more or had better stats/def than the other person
... There are different kinds of fair. Banning SC pots or agreeing to a non-SC duel is making the external factors the same. Level, stats, equipment, ability and luck should remain fair game - and still be considered fair. You are intentionally taking fair to a ridiculous extreme. Even in your (ridiculous and extreme) scenario, would they have to have the same kind of luck and get the same amount of misses and get all their hits in at the same time? Because somebody is still going to attack first and some will miss and it must also be unfair if one guy can use the class better.

If you can find someone stupid enough to want duels to be that fair, you can be their opponent. You know. So you can both have the same level of intelligence too.

[deedee479]

Is trx agreeing with me ? Who is and isn't I'm lost .........

I'm not saying to make all pvp fair but some ppl want non sc duel and some ppl go back on it.
Some in their head it's a no sc duel with out asking the other play then yell at them when they use( >.> u really should tell me these things first)

This way non sc duels can be done and it all about skill and how well u use your class and skills
(is that what u said trx if so I agree)

[poochyenarulez]

if u want to duel some1 but want it to be a potless match, then its a potless duel, simple
but, just cause u don't have sc pots to spam, doesn't mean no1 else should >.>

[deedee479]

But ppl don't stick to the the agreed non sc or reg non pot duel

[crazedwombat]

i'm new and haven't even pvped yet but i've been pvping for a very very long time in lots of other games..

people who are for pots in duels are the ones that would lose otherwise.. saying pvp is unfair because someone else is more skilled is just a really stupid arguement...

that's what makes pvp fun, is winning a CHALLENGING fight... saying 'i suck at pvp so pots make it fun' is just stupid. how is pot spamming fun?

honestly after seeing this stupid post and how many people think it's cool to use pots in pvp makes me want to not even try this game.. it's obviously full of a bunch of unskilled kids who think spamming pots make them good, when in fact it's like taking a gun to a knife fight... dishonorable teens, nothing more.

edit: adding a pot/no pot check box to the pvp options would be a good idea, then all the crappy pot or die people can go and pot spam for hours on end against each other and the rest of us who actually enjoy a challenge can have REAL pvp.

[comp4ssion]

LOL, necro much? *flags down a CL*

[poochyenarulez]

i'm new and haven't even pvped yet but i've been pvping for a very very long time in lots of other games..

people who are for pots in duels are the ones that would lose otherwise.. saying pvp is unfair because someone else is more skilled is just a really stupid arguement...

that's what makes pvp fun, is winning a CHALLENGING fight... saying 'i suck at pvp so pots make it fun' is just stupid. how is pot spamming fun?

honestly after seeing this stupid post and how many people think it's cool to use pots in pvp makes me want to not even try this game.. it's obviously full of a bunch of unskilled kids who think spamming pots make them good, when in fact it's like taking a gun to a knife fight... dishonorable teens, nothing more.

edit: adding a pot/no pot check box to the pvp options would be a good idea, then all the crappy pot or die people can go and pot spam for hours on end against each other and the rest of us who actually enjoy a challenge can have REAL pvp.

how is sc pots bad?
using sc pots is no diffrent then useing def items, and +6/6ap gear, or even being able to attack faster
pvp is unfair, if pvp was fair, it would be boring~

[chitesnoo88]

wow, pooch.
i didn't think the argument for sc pots could get any less convincing, but there you went and topped it, LOL. sc pots are pure dollar for hp, spend enough money and you're un-killable. all those other things you mentioned are finite advantages. sure, you can buy a green cowbell, but that will only go so far for a crappy player. it's not the limitless fountain of eternal life that sc pots are. 6/6 gear requires that you purchase it for kron or make it yourself by xenning, endeavors that require skill at playing the game. and...good lord, you're not insinuating that skillful character design is unfair... are you?

my bottom line - sc pots should, at the very least, be excluded from at least one arena of pvp. there are party, free, and guild pvp...why not add a sc-free pvp arena?

i'll tell you why, because outspark doesn't want to lose all the money it makes off of pvp sc pot spammers.
that's a lot of dough, boys.

[ChaosAD]

my bottom line - sc pots should, at the very least, be excluded from at least one arena of pvp. there are party, free, and guild pvp...why not add a sc-free pvp arena?

Because no one would go there. Besides no one important goes to the other arenas. Everyone knows free pvp is the hangout spot.

[chitesnoo88]

hmmm, possibly true, although i believe i have seen enough PvP purists on this forum alone to suggest there would be some support for such an option...
but there should at least be a verifiable option to exclude sc pots from a duel if desired.

if i had it my way, yeah, sc pots shouldn't be allowed in pvp.
but as it must be acknowledged that some people prefer to spam cash pots, i'd never inflict my opinion on everyone.
but if i was fighting a duel, i'd want no sc pots allowed, and there should be a way to ensure it.

just as an option, however it is implemented doesn't really matter to me :P

[poochyenarulez]

if u want to duel some1, ask them not to use sc pots, simple solution o.O
just like def items, sc pots are used for protection against people from killing them~

[chitesnoo88]

i believe the operative word is 'ensure' - not having to depend on an opponent's sense of honor.

as many have already pointed out to you, in the heat of battle, many a pvp-er will gladly betray a previous agreement when faced with their own imminent demise.

i feel i must also clarify: i am by no means opposed to using sc pots to protect oneself from an unsolicited attack, only that for those who prefer sc free duels, there should be a reliable option.

[doninpon]

Just keep hitting them until their sc pots run out oO... GOGETEM

[comp4ssion]

Just keep hitting them until their sc pots run out oO... GOGETEM

LOL that's exactly what I do.....Works for those annoying flask spammers too. :p

[chitesnoo88]

there is also a certain satisfaction in the knowledge that, in the process of diminishing your opponent's ego, you are simultaneously lightening their wallet.

lolz compy >:D

[licgenier]

Just keep hitting them until their sc pots run out oO... GOGETEM

Doing that is pretty fun watchin how they spam sc its pretty fun @_@.
Also when the sc spammer is an annoyin nub... what a better way to make them mad than burnin all their sc pots suply?
sc pots are k in pvp at least for me, thanks to them i can improve me pvp skills. i mean fight a ranger/warrior/wizard 10 lvls higher than u and give them sc pots. u will learn a LOT from that battle even if u die (think that normaly happens to me).

HINT FOR LEECHERS: fight without sc pots in pvp and u might learn how to use ur class LOL!!!!

[AnimePimp66]

flask+blz+piggybag= FTW volcano/sorrow shout massacre x3

[bloodly-chan]

I gotta quote Compy on this one.

Go farm some tangerines. People get SOOOO annoyed when I start chugging them and giant purple 500's start popping over my head. :]

And they're not sc, don't weigh much, and heal shizloads, so why not?