End or Dex?

[Sheizou_Marizou]

Some people say Dex is better, some people say end is better. I'm very confused at which to pick.

[blackguy729]

archers have naturaly good dex and it is good but it wont matter without if you die
so end is better 4 archers

[UkrainianCossack]

lol im a lv 68 about to be 69 archer and my opinion dex is better
my built is str 40 dex 43(more are adding here lol)

[geminidnk]

iif u aim to get to lvl89, str spr is better, end isnt good ur not a tanker, ur dmg more important, sacrificing 80 pure output dmg to be able to tank and get 400hp isnt worth it.
And dex...um not only its broken(no additional dex is added in free stats), some says the % od dodge is absolute(means no matter wat others aim, if u have 15-20% dodge ull dodge 15-20% plus ur dodge due to evasion) but i doubt that works, seen pure dex archers, rarely miss them with bk weapons.

[Kyo7763]

Dex is the better choice. Gem, sorry, but ur wrong about lvl 89 str/spr. Sure u get more damage, but for grinding, you miss in BR. I miss a bit and I have a crazy amount of aim. You can use str/spr, or dex.

Although at 8x currently its preference because the Archer class is all crazy right now...
Though, up to 7x I HIGHLY recommend 25 SPR, 50 DEX rest STR. :)

Good Luck

[DF001]

end on free stats

[ToshCrimson]

dex over end, str, spr over dex.

[geminidnk]

Dex is the better choice. Gem, sorry, but ur wrong about lvl 89 str/spr. Sure u get more damage, but for grinding, you miss in BR. I miss a bit and I have a crazy amount of aim. You can use str/spr, or dex.

Although at 8x currently its preference because the Archer class is all crazy right now...
Though, up to 7x I HIGHLY recommend 25 SPR, 50 DEX rest STR. :)

Good Luck

EVeryone miss in BR even pure dex, read my post on why i think dex is broken first :). Theres a reason why i said its not worth it.
With a BK tho even with Jewel trees i dont miss that much, 1 in 4/5 hits or so.But in FM yes i miss quite alot, but same thing with pure dex archer too, seen them and they miss too, dont see much diff in their hit rate, yet they got 5% less crit and like 100 dmg less :).

[threewishes112]

Different classes have different uses of stats, for instance: Fighters value end, mages value int and so forth. For archers, end is not an important stat, not unless you're planning to somewhat become a tanker or fancy the extra life points that end offers. On the other hand, dex is a better choice since it is associated with aim and most of the time, archers will rely this stat too. But as it does apply to improving aim, it is not much use when the player hits level 60, splitting the stats gained.

-threewishes112

[Kyo7763]

EVeryone miss in BR even pure dex, read my post on why i think dex is broken first :). Theres a reason why i said its not worth it.
With a BK tho even with Jewel trees i dont miss that much, 1 in 4/5 hits or so.But in FM yes i miss quite alot, but same thing with pure dex archer too, seen them and they miss too, dont see much diff in their hit rate, yet they got 5% less crit and like 100 dmg less :).

Lol??? I have 1.6k+ aim with a T4 aim.. I DONT miss :) - As to 5% crit less rate? As i said best build is 25 SPR - ur "5% crit", 50 dex "10.0% bonus", and rest str, which at this point only puts me ~50 dmg behind you, at this point.. thats not a big difference either :)

If Dex was fixed, then the SPR DEX rest STR build would be far superior, but that got messed up this update :)

[TITLE]

Lol??? I have 1.6k+ aim with a T4 aim.. I DONT miss :) - As to 5% crit less rate? As i said best build is 25 SPR - ur "5% crit", 50 dex "10.0% bonus", and rest str, which at this point only puts me ~50 dmg behind you, at this point.. thats not a big difference either :)

If Dex was fixed, then the SPR DEX rest STR build would be far superior, but that got messed up this update :)


I would have to second this for being DEX... BR is a good place to balance any builds.

IMO, it's best to build on weaker elements and improving them or excell the current power pool. I don't see where archers lack anything. They have the equal elements in their offensive to defensive powers. Even spamming the AoE's grabs enough aggro.

[geminidnk]

Lol??? I have 1.6k+ aim with a T4 aim.. I DONT miss :) - As to 5% crit less rate? As i said best build is 25 SPR - ur "5% crit", 50 dex "10.0% bonus", and rest str, which at this point only puts me ~50 dmg behind you, at this point.. thats not a big difference either :)

If Dex was fixed, then the SPR DEX rest STR build would be far superior, but that got messed up this update :)

Erm i seen people with 1.5k aim and they miss on jewel trees(rarely, i miss on them rarely too) and fm mobs almost as much as me not clear difference , Id like to see ur videos on FM and jewel tress see when u DONT miss :). Proof please.And 50 dex doesnt add to ur t4 aim. Screens of 1.6k aim please too, cause i got high dex gears in most of my gears and still 1.4k aim only with t4. ANd i did have dex before(10 dexwhich i resetted with lvl 30 reset scroll and my aim din changed AT ALL) so im pretty sure ur 50 dex doesnt change ur aim.By calculation 1.6k aim would be impossible.UNless u show me other wise.

[otterfactory]

I think that the EVA and AIM for DEX are added as you attack, like free stat STR/END/SPR/INT bonuses or the damage from a license. It probably wouldn't include the scroll.

Regardless, I would not recommend DEX just because its good after level 84...
Most people won't get there and they will probably be bored to death if they do.

My recommendation is to stay level 79 and with a STR build, wait for them to make the high levels interesting. Or at least wait for them to release their next best SC item "Charm of Aim", will be a best seller amongst level 8xs. -__-

Just saying that if the only defense for a DEX build is Burning Rock, then that is a pretty flimsy argument considering half the people who experienced that patch are now gone.

[TITLE]

Erm i seen people with 1.5k aim and they miss on jewel trees(rarely, i miss on them rarely too) and fm mobs almost as much as me not clear difference , Id like to see ur videos on FM and jewel tress see when u DONT miss :). Proof please.And 50 dex doesnt add to ur t4 aim. Screens of 1.6k aim please too, cause i got high dex gears in most of my gears and still 1.4k aim only with t4. ANd i did have dex before(10 dexwhich i resetted with lvl 30 reset scroll and my aim din changed AT ALL) so im pretty sure ur 50 dex doesnt change ur aim.By calculation 1.6k aim would be impossible.UNless u show me other wise.


People missed on jewel tree with 1.5k? Are they free stated DEX? If not that explains portions of the missing.

I like to know if at the time they were around the same lvl or not as the mob. As we all know lvl gap plays major roles after 60.



Just saying that if the only defense for a DEX build is Burning Rock, then that is a pretty flimsy argument considering half the people who experienced that patch are now gone.


Hmmm.. I'll like to say not every DEX users use BR as a defense role. Why? Because lvling a DEX build from 1-80+, there was more to learn and see than getting to a single lv80 area full of high lvl attributed mobs and from there whacking away at them. I've seen more than BR, BR don't just stands on its own.

I'll add this.. for those who left after the patch left for many reasons.. for what reasons I don't know.

[otterfactory]

As I explained earlier I have both a full DEX level 52 and STR/25SPR level 62 archer, and the level 52 one levels slow as heck, and is boring to play (its why I made another one). I have in fact tried it both ways and can say empirically STR archers are better (for leveling). Simply put; the mobs in this game pose no actual threat to most players who know what they are doing (duo with cleric). This game is a Korean grind-fest and the only thing that matters is how quickly you are killing the monsters, therefore DEX < STR. It wouldn't matter if the monsters missed you 90% of the time, as I would still be killing them twice as fast with a STR build (hyperbole but not by much).

As for the BR mobs, the point is, that those mobs will be "fixed" as it is not conducive to a casual MMORPG. There is nothing casual about a higher than 50% miss rate in fact that is unheard of and quite stupid, because missing is no fun. Just ask any cleric who has tried to solo a Kidmon, or any mage trying to finish that Jewel Tree quest (Takes like an hour+).
I am sure they will get a Eva reduction or they will add a new abbyss with mobs with less evade, but the point is that with new patches it will be easier (it always is) and any advantage in killing that a DEX archer may have had will be completely wiped out when they do.

[TITLE]

The point is, that those mobs will be "fixed" as it is not conducive to a casual MMORPG. There is nothing casual about a higher than 50% miss rate in fact that is unheard of and quite stupid, because missing is no fun. Just ask any cleric who has tried to solo a Kidmon, or any mage trying to finish that Jewel Tree quest (Takes like an hour+).
I am sure they will get a Eva reduction or they will add a new abbyss with mobs with less evade, but the point is that with new patches it will be easier (it always is) and any advantage that a DEX archer may have had will be completely wiped out when they do.


Well my friend, welcome to the new world of challenges.

If they are fixing the AIM/EVA on those mobs in BR and anywhere higher then might as well take away those repeat quests. Why? Higher the lvl, tougher the challenge. If you like it plain and simple with no miss at all along with the DMG you like, then this game would had never had a AIM/EVA attribute. Balance.. is the new lv80.

[otterfactory]

Well my friend, welcome to the new world of challenges.

If they are fixing the AIM/EVA on those mobs in BR and anywhere higher then might as well take away those repeat quests. Why? Higher the lvl, tougher the challenge. If you like it plain and simple with no miss at all along with the DMG you like, then this game would had never had a AIM/EVA attribute. Balance.. is the new lv80.

Emm...you know the intended cap level is 150 so we are about halfway there.

As patches roll out the game gets easier. Abyss was added, repeat quests galore. That is the way this game works. Level 70-79 pre-repeat quests took twice as long as 80-89 and was much much harder even with updated greens, so much for a "new world of challenges".

Furthermore, if they intend to appeal to a casual audience they will realize that 50% or more miss rates is the road to failure, and I will again point out all the people who have quit. The way RPGs work is they try to afford people as many options as possible to keep it interesting, and by having an oppressive "miss" rate you are in fact taking away options (I no longer use single target spells, or my cleric for that matter xD only Inferno/Nova on my mage, that is lame).

LoL and you call going from 100% hit rate without any DEX at level 80 to 20% at level 89 balanced? Fact is, even full DEX mages, fighters and clerics would still be scratching their heads as to why they miss 30% of the time when just a couple of levels ago they didn't miss at all.

I think that BR mobs EVA is either a big mistake that OutSpark will not own up to, or it is some attempt at making it hard to level for those who capped (it took 8 days by the way O; :yawn: ). But I will bet you 1gem and all the items I have that by the time level 120 rolls around DEX will be a waste at level 8x again.

[TITLE]

Emm...you know the intended cap level is 150 so we are about halfway there.

As patches roll out the game gets easier. Abyss was added, repeat quests galore. That is the way this game works. (Level 70-79 pre-repeat quests took twice as long as 80-89, so much for a "new world of challenges").

Furthermore, if they intend to appeal to a casual audience they will realize that 50% or more miss rates is the road to failure, and I will again point out all the people who have quit. The way RPGs work is they try to afford people as many options as possible to keep it interesting, and by having an oppressive "miss" rates you are in fact taking away options (I no longer use 1 target spells only Inferno/Nova, lame game).

LoL and you call going from 100% hit rate without any DEX at level 80 to 80% at level 89 balanced? Fact is, even full DEX mages, fighters and clerics would still be scratching their heads as to why they miss 30% of the time when just a couple of levels ago they didn't miss at all.

I think that BR mobs EVA is either a big mistake that OutSpark will not own up to, or it is some attempt at making it hard to level for those who capped (it took 8 days by the way O; :yawn: ). But I will bet you 1gem and all the items I have that by the time level 120 rolls around DEX will be a waste at level 8x again.


Yes I know lv150 was intended lvl cap, I paid well attention to Bob when he opened his thread.

Yes the new patches did made the game experience easier. I guess the the business likes it that way.

Now 50% or more misses, is that counting the use of scrolls or no? Pardon me for not being part of the DD/missing side of the community. I look at the scrolls and buffs/SC as the options to keeping the game interesting. The DEX is a stats attribute and I would look at the free stats as another option to keep the game interesting. If the majority of users are missing out more than 50% with T4 AIM scrolls, setting aside the BK weapons, then perhaps there was a flaw in the game. But look at the creators of this game. If they made it more than 50% miss then perhaps they had a reason in doing so. I wouldn't know if you party with all class or not when your in BR. Assuming if you said your party are missing the mobs the majority and not getting the quests done as fast then yes there is a problem. This would plug in the situation of a must party for quests, having at least 4 of the class in a single party.

First off, I'm sorry if I was unclear or misinterpreted about lv80 being the new balance. Here I was telling a story about PvE balance. It's only natural for a mob at a higher lvl to have more attributes correct? Then after lvling to the same or close perimeter of that mob's lvl the gap of attributes equals out, or like I would say is balance. I don't know where you got me saying lv80 = 100% hit rate and losing hit rate at lv89, but I guess I was unclear and to broad so when I said the lvl 80 is the new balance I was regarding to PvE balance.

I don't prefer betting, but yes when lv120 roles around we will see what stats is at what place in the game.

[otterfactory]

Yes I know lv150 was intended lvl cap, I paid well attention to Bob when he opened his thread.

Yes the new patches did made the game experience easier. I guess the the business likes it that way.

Now 50% or more misses, is that counting the use of scrolls or no? Pardon me for not being part of the DD/missing side of the community. I look at the scrolls and buffs/SC as the options to keeping the game interesting. The DEX is a stats attribute and I would look at the free stats as another option to keep the game interesting. If the majority of users are missing out more than 50% with T4 AIM scrolls, setting aside the BK weapons, then perhaps there was a flaw in the game. But look at the creators of this game. If they made it more than 50% miss then perhaps they had a reason in doing so. I wouldn't know if you party with all class or not when your in BR. Assuming if you said your party are missing the mobs the majority and not getting the quests done as fast then yes there is a problem. This would plug in the situation of a must party for quests, having at least 4 of the class in a single party.

First off, I'm sorry if I was unclear or misinterpreted about lv80 being the new balance. Here I was telling a story about PvE balance. It's only natural for a mob at a higher lvl to have more attributes correct? Then after lvling to the same or close perimeter of that mob's lvl the gap of attributes equals out, or like I would say is balance. I don't know where you got me saying lv80 = 100% hit rate and losing hit rate at lv89, but I guess I was unclear and to broad so when I said the lvl 80 is the new balance I was regarding to PvE balance.

I don't prefer betting, but yes when lv120 roles around we will see what stats is at what place in the game.

Yes, I use T4 aim scrolls an a Bellow Knight Staff, I still miss over 50% of the time against the yellow monster in Flaming Mine. (1250 Aim or so) Oh and as I have explained this hasn't created any problems for me leveling personally, it has just completely invalidated whole characters. The clerics have it the worst as most can't even solo the Kidmon quest if I gave them a day. So just picture that full STR cleric switch over to DEX and hit them a little bit more often just to watch them heal the know much much lower damage since they took off all their STR xD (thats a lose-lose and exactly what has happened).

Heck, if the game continues at this rate then by level 120 there will only be one option...full DEX and even then you will miss 90% of the time :D.

Those statistics on missing without DEX and aim scrolls for me are close to reality (100% hit yellow mob at 80, 20% hit yellow mob at 89, its just a matter of fact).

The creators of this game (OnsOnSoft) did not intend for this miss rate ;). Actually you know the real cause of the aim problem is that OutSpark hasn't given archers their supposed Aim and EVA buffs, like in the balanced Korean version. So imagine a full party with 60% added Aim as it should be, it will once again make DEX useless, and I see this happening or them just lowering the EVA on the mobs, either way the DEX stat will suffer in usefulness.

[TITLE]

Yes, I use T4 aim scrolls an a Bellow Knight Staff, I still miss over 50% of the time against the yellow monster in Flaming Mine. (1250 Aim or so) Oh and as I have explained this hasn't created any problems for me leveling personally, it has just completely invalidated whole characters. The clerics have it the worst as most can't even solo the Kidmon quest if I gave them a day. So just picture that full STR cleric switch over to DEX and hit them a little bit more often just to watch them heal the know much much lower damage since they took off all their STR xD (thats a lose-lose and exactly what has happened).

Heck, if the game continues at this rate then by level 120 there will only be one option...full DEX and even then you will miss 90% of the time :D.

Those statistics on missing without DEX and aim scrolls for me are close to reality (100% hit yellow mob at 80, 20% hit yellow mob at 89, its just a matter of fact).

The creators of this game (OnsOnSoft) did not intend for this miss rate ;). Actually you know the real cause of the aim problem is that OutSpark hasn't given archers their supposed Aim and EVA buffs, like in the balanced Korean version. So imagine a full party with 60% added Aim as it should be, it will once again make DEX useless, and I see this happening or them just lowering the EVA on the mobs, either way the DEX stat will suffer in usefulness.


Then I guess we wait for new patches.. Archer buffs ftw!

[Kyo7763]

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110079
Thats an old screenie of me without a bellow knight bow. 1.2k almost, Add 13.3% bonus from dex, so roughly 1360, without the bellow knight bow in that picture. :)
So, it ISNT impossible for 1.6k+ aim, I dont lie about my stats, believe what you want

I wont go out of my way more than i need to to prove my stats. People who know me on Apoline know about how crazy my aim/eva get, although right now this game has it so they dont mean much... Great isnt it xD

Good luck to those who care xD

[geminidnk]

lol how many times must i tell u the 13.3% dont work unless u prove it, the only number show is on the screen. Sure go ahead prove me otherwise, id love to see u "dont miss" lolz. The dex is broken, everyone knows it. And no need to whisper, let everyone read. U add it in to make it 1.6k by yourself, not the stats windows show it, yea u might have 1.5k aim at most with a bk 1180+300+ = ~1500 may be abit less but 1.6k+? lol gimme a break, show off much? Dont miss? Double yawn.

[DF001]

lol gemi dont flame kyo

[geminidnk]

lol gemi dont flame kyo

Well after he claims he got 1.6k+ aim he go on now saying thats by his own math adding the 13.3% aim?Wats that? Lol?I only want solid evidence, until i see a screenies says Aim: 16xx he lied. And every1 saw he said he "dont miss" im sure wanna see that, how he "dont miss". If u gonna boast and bash wat other says with just wild claims, expect to get bashed back.

[otterfactory]

lol how many times must i tell u the 13.3% dont work unless u prove it, the only number show is on the screen. Sure go ahead prove me otherwise, id love to see u "dont miss" lolz. The dex is broken, everyone knows it. And no need to whisper, let everyone read. U add it in to make it 1.6k by yourself, not the stats windows show it, yea u might have 1.5k aim at most with a bk 1180+300+ = ~1500 may be abit less but 1.6k+? lol gimme a break, show off much? Dont miss? Double yawn.

Hold on though, most of the free stat bonuses don't show up on the character window.

The defensive bonus from END and SPR show up as .5 per level...and the other .5 is directly subtracted from damage without showing up on the window.

The STR and INT damage bonus that is actually added to damage dealt doesn't show up either.

The Critical bonus doesn't show up.

The block rate bonus doesn't show up either.

Yet we do assume that these work properly because we see them often as they are more popular stat choices.

The only things that do show up in the character window are additional HP and SP.

However, I have heard conflicting experiences with switching to full DEX and, that it doesn't even increase the miss rate of mobs for instance. These experiments seem rare [and expensive] and I don't know how well controlled they were.

That being said I can't say one way or the other whether or not DEX actually works since I haven't done my own test, but I know that just because it doesn't show up in the character window it isn't enough for me to claim it doesn't.

[geminidnk]

Hold on though, most of the free stat bonuses don't show up on the character window.

The defensive bonus from END and SPR show up as .5 per level...and the other .5 is directly subtracted from damage without showing up on the window.

The STR and INT damage bonus that is actually added to damage dealt doesn't show up either.

The Critical bonus doesn't show up.

The block rate bonus doesn't show up either.

Yet we do assume that these work properly because we see them often as they are more popular stat choices.

The only things that do show up in the character window are additional HP and SP.

However, I have heard conflicting experiences with switching to full DEX and, that it doesn't even increase the miss rate of mobs for instance. These experiments seem rare [and expensive] and I don't know how well controlled it was.

That being said I can't say one way or the other whether or not DEX actually works since I haven't done my own test, but I know that just because it doesn't show up in the character window it isn't enough for me to claim it doesn't.
I know a few dex archers (full 104 dex) and they miss as anyone else. Many test been made, i made a test with 33 dex my dex myself and no difference in my hit rate at br, still miss occasionally on jewel tree and ALOT in fm. Just because u say it works doesnt make it works too. And i got test to back it up, he said he got 1.6k+ aim but apparently he doesnt have any ss to show it, and he just making assumption that his aim is that much. Wat if the % in aim is absolute( means you will hit 13.3% more in ur over all hit but NOT affecting the numeric aim, just like many other free stats) thats makes his aim NOT 1.6k+ isnt it, my point said :). And did u read his part about not missing, id like to see it being proven because we all 89s know thats a bunch of bollocks, no chars with currrent equips can claim he/she "dont miss"

[otterfactory]

I know a few dex archers (full 104 dex) and they miss as anyone else. Many test been made, i made a test with 33 dex my dex myself and no difference in my hit rate at br, still miss occasionally on jewel tree and ALOT in fm. Just because u say it works doesnt make it works too. And i got test to back it up, he said he got 1.6k+ aim but apparently he doesnt have any ss to show it, and he just making assumption that his aim is that much. Wat if the % in aim is absolute( means you will hit 13.3% more in ur over all hit but NOT affecting the numeric aim, just like many other free stats) thats makes his aim NOT 1.6k+ isnt it, my point said :). And did u read his part about not missing, id like to see it being proven because we all 89s know thats a bunch of bollocks, no chars with currrent equips can claim he/she "dont miss"

LOL, I don't think he has a 100% hit rate or anything either, or he certainly won't at level 89 versus Red Nix.

I'm just not personally ready to claim that DEX doesn't work at all particularly without a well controlled and publicly posted experiment to back that up with.

Edit: And I must give the benefit of the doubt to OutSpark having implemented the DEX properly. Innocent before proven guilty I guess (not that they're not guilty of messing up alot).

[geminidnk]

LOL, I don't think he has a 100% hit rate or anything either, or he certainly won't at level 89 versus Red Nix.

I'm just not personally ready to claim that DEX doesn't work at all particularly without a well controlled and publicly posted experiment to back that up on.

Well but he claimed it work without any proof too. My point was, he keep claiming stuff to counter my arguments without any proof, so i was just ready to give him some piece of advice ;)

[TITLE]

DEX works... quit with the tracked off arguements and opinions...

Yes you would add those 13.3% to the math. Why? It's a standing variable and is part of a formula aquintance to calculating the dmg vs. def/aim vs. dodge. The formula? No one at this point knows and probably know one would like to go find it. Now if there is disbelief such formula exists then might as well say those 50+ STR points don't add dmg (which they do w/o changing the displayed dmg).

If the DEX attribute was claimed to be bugged and useless then the bugged attribute itself would had been fixed. Such skill like the Toughness, used by fighters to increase in block rate. Yet this skill resumes to be known as a "failed/bugged/inactive" skill leaving it to be put into the category of "broken". Please go lvl all the class and find out if DEX is a "broken" before claiming it actually is.

[geminidnk]

DEX works... quit with the tracked off arguements and opinions...

Yes you would add those 13.3% to the math. Why? It's a standing variable and is part of a formula aquintance to calculating the dmg vs. def/aim vs. dodge. The formula? No one at this point knows and probably know one would like to go find it. Now if there is disbelief such formula exists then might as well say those 50+ STR points don't add dmg (which they do w/o changing the displayed dmg).

If the DEX attribute was claimed to be bugged and useless then the bugged attribute itself would had been fixed. Such skill like the Toughness, used by fighters to increase in block rate. Yet this skill resumes to be known as a "failed/bugged/inactive" skill leaving it to be put into the category of "broken". Please go lvl all the class and find out if DEX is a "broken" before claiming it actually is.
Strength works because ur output dmg change when you add or remove 10 str to the free stats, easy to prove. But aim in dex is not that simple, as i said it might be absolute which adds none to shown aim, that means he wont have 1.6k+ aim, but he will have abit less than 1.5k and 13% in absolute hit, nuff said :).
I posted i tested my self, i see no diff in having 10% aim i still miss around as much(its random so cant say i miss exactly as much) i clearly dont see a 10% improvement in my hit rate.

[TITLE]

Strength works because ur output dmg change when you add or remove 10 str to the free stats, easy to prove. But aim in dex is not that simple, as i said it might be absolute which adds none to shown aim, that means he wont have 1.6k+ aim, but he will have abit less than 1.5k and 13% in absolute hit, nuff said :).
I posted i tested my self, i see no diff in having 10% aim i still miss around as much(its random so cant say i miss exactly as much) i clearly dont see a 10% improvement in my hit rate.


Then I assume my fighter taps more DEX than archers. Perhaps class attributes plays its own roles.

[geminidnk]

Then I assume my fighter taps more DEX than archers. Perhaps class attributes plays its own roles.

Are you trying how much u hit on BR mobs?Cause before kidmons and above mobs it doesnt matter about dex.

[TITLE]

Are you trying how much u hit on BR mobs?Cause before kidmons and above mobs it doesnt matter about dex.


I'll know know when I get there.

[geminidnk]

I'll know know when I get there.

I already stated in many post the problem with dex only come in at BR,specially kidmon onwards =/. SO if ur not aiming to get 80+ dex is fine.

[Xylvion]

uhm i got a full end (had sold it recently) and a full dex gear, and i miss like 3/5( on kiddys) with the end and 1-2/5 with the dexgear, so dex helps pretty much, im not sure on free stat though :o

[Kyo7763]

Im honestly not going to reply to this anymore, once you have a math Major like Allnighte and run as many tests as Elias, Allnighte, Fury, and I have then you come back and post. Sorry, kids running their mouth over the internet to feel big isnt my game.

As for whoever said its a standing variable and knows what they are talking about, thanks for not being ignorant like the others :)

/leavethread

[geminidnk]

Im honestly not going to reply to this anymore, once you have a math Major like Allnighte and run as many tests as Elias, Allnighte, Fury, and I have then you come back and post. Sorry, kids running their mouth over the internet to feel big isnt my game.

As for whoever said its a standing variable and knows what they are talking about, thanks for not being ignorant like the others :)

/leavethread

I actually do math as my minor :).Btw dont call people kids, ur the only mouth runner here. Talk online, how convenient lol. Read first then talk.Lol i did many test u just dont bother talk to ignorant peepz like u.Discussion ends here tired of writing when people dont read.Yawn.

[otterfactory]

As for the BR mobs, the point is, that those mobs will be "fixed" as it is not conducive to a casual MMORPG. There is nothing casual about a higher than 50% miss rate in fact that is unheard of and quite stupid, because missing is no fun. Just ask any cleric who has tried to solo a Kidmon, or any mage trying to finish that Jewel Tree quest (Takes like an hour+).
I am sure they will get a Eva reduction or they will add a new abbyss with mobs with less evade, but the point is that with new patches it will be easier (it always is) and any advantage in killing that a DEX archer may have had will be completely wiped out when they do.


Furthermore, if they intend to appeal to a casual audience they will realize that 50% or more miss rates is the road to failure, and I will again point out all the people who have quit. The way RPGs work is they try to afford people as many options as possible to keep it interesting, and by having an oppressive "miss" rate you are in fact taking away options (I no longer use single target spells, or my cleric for that matter xD only Inferno/Nova on my mage, that is lame).

LoL and you call going from 100% hit rate without any DEX at level 80 to 20% at level 89 balanced? Fact is, even full DEX mages, fighters and clerics would still be scratching their heads as to why they miss 30% of the time when just a couple of levels ago they didn't miss at all.

I think that BR mobs EVA is either a big mistake that OutSpark will not own up to, or it is some attempt at making it hard to level for those who capped (it took 8 days by the way O; :yawn: ). But I will bet you 1gem and all the items I have that by the time level 120 rolls around DEX will be a waste at level 8x again.

Look TITLE, lets just all agree that DEX sucks throughout the entire game and I will forgo the 1gem xD (JK, I know you didn't take me up on it).

[Plushii]

my stats are

STR 20
END 23
DEX 23
SPR 15

I will put all stats yet to come on END and DEX, gonna keep them equal.
Worked out fine for me so far ^^

[wannabeguyo]

Look TITLE, lets just all agree that DEX sucks throughout the entire game and I will forgo the 1gem xD (JK, I know you didn't take me up on it).
OK, so why do you say that DEX sucks throughout the entire game? I can not understand it =/. I retired from Fiesta about 1 year ago and back then DEX really did not work, Now I came back and started another archer again. I decided to try pure DEX this time since my last archer was pure END and END equips (pure END was fun tanking in KQ's). My new character is only lvl 20, but I easily evade constantly, so DEX must have been fixed (or improved), or I am just really lucky. DEX works and is serving a purpose, so I do not understand why you say DEX sucks throughout the entire game....Please enlighten me.

[otterfactory]

OK, so why do you say that DEX sucks throughout the entire game? I can not understand it =/. I retired from Fiesta about 1 year ago and back then DEX really did not work, Now I came back and started another archer again. I decided to try pure DEX this time since my last archer was pure END and END equips (pure END was fun tanking in KQ's). My new character is only lvl 20, but I easily evade constantly, so DEX must have been fixed (or improved), or I am just really lucky. DEX works and is serving a purpose, so I do not understand why you say DEX sucks throughout the entire game....Please enlighten me.

D: To have to answer this again...

DEX sucks because in PvE a DEX build archer will never level as fast as STR built one (Regardless of SparkCash, and a player with experience). The only place this might have been different was BR...until now.

In PvP, BK Weapons > DEX. PvP Sucks for archers anyways though.

[wannabeguyo]

But I heard that the Aim for Bk's weapons was reduced, wouldn't that allow archers to dodge more?

EDIT: I didn't read the last part right, its true that PvP has always been a weakness in archer game play.

[otterfactory]

BK Aim is still the same they haven't lowered it o_O