Pvp kq: mages underpowered fighters overpowered!

[Temari_and_Gaara]

Some ppl may claim this isnt true but IT IS

iam tired of joining, getting spawn killed, having every single fighter target me doing 1.2k crits with DEVA i only have 1.8k hp w/o any buffs...

iam normally not this mad

but its getting really bad

say their attacking a cleric thats running and they see a mage

they will immedently go for the mage

say its a mage like me without a +9 ur gunna die if they get near me

really i love the game and the pvp kq but i think that it really isnt fair

vote on poll

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

dude i totally agree

i mean i have beaten fighters
but it takes me forever to kill a fighter

i cant just stand there and pvp a fighter while pvp kq is going
we're bound to have people jumping in and interfering

plus mages are SUPER squishy, and everyone knows that

As soon as pvp kq starts, everyone automatically sets out to find that ONE player who they can kill quickly and easily without spamming stones

obviously fighters would be goin for us mages who arent cookies or +9ed up

BUT mages are pretty strong as well, i could kill some ppl that join pvp kq, so i set out and spawn kill them lol

but you gotta understand that this is pvp kq, your GOIN to get killed if you like it or not
i just do the kq for exp really, i try sometimes and get to like 4th place (i get cookied up lol)
i have gotten to 2nd place..but then again im cookied up lol


oh and no offense to yall fighters, i love you to death, w/o you guys we wouldnt have great tankers like you (:

your just hard to kill like any other class is
(every class has a disadvantage and advantage)

[deathbringer54]

simple just dont do the pvp kqs then u will not be spawned killed there and thats the aim of the kq kill ppl without being killed

[senkitan]

What did you expect, this KQ should have requirement: SC users only!

[TheCompanions]

Ya its true that mages have low def and life, BUT
they are the only class who deal M-Dmg and NO +9set does increase the M-Def!
So their dmg is pretty good even if a fighter with +9set face u!
Also Mages can use Chaincast, Stifle or Fear and these skills ROCK!

[Madcharo]

Um... Get more hp/def? To be quite blunt, this KQ wasn't made for the weak. If you can't survive the attacks then people are obviously going to target you as an easy kill.

Fighters will naturally take Mages as their priority over Clerics since Fighters have low MDef, thus making you one of their biggest threats.

Did you ever think to run when someone comes after you? Maybe slow down the guy with the hammer so that he gets killed easier? Cast your Chain Casted Novas with bunches of people around hoping to steal someones kill?

As of yet, GM's have not posted up any specific rules about PvP KQ (Other than kill everything in sight) so really, anything goes. Other players are not mobs so feel free to jump in the middle of someone elses fight or even protect your fellow "squishies". I've seen Mages work wonders with Fear in this KQ.

Short Story:

Quit whinning because a Fighter killed you in PvP KQ. Maybe work out a plan so that you don't get killed next time. Blame yourself before you blame others and learn from your mistakes.

Edit: I'm not saying Deva doesn't give Fighter a huge advantage. Just saying that mages are in no way unable to defend themselves. Think of it this way. Without Fighters, the hammer will never get dropped cause it'll never get stunned. :P

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

the main problem is that fighters atm far outnumber mages. can u imagine if this kq was mostly mages and only 1-3 fighters? no doubt the fighters would begin complaining about how they cant move around without bein blasted dead on the spot. 1v1, mages are prob the most capable of killing a fighter (clerics and archers have a much harder time). its not that mages are underpowered, its just that not enough people play the class. cs items though do make this kq unbalanced (fighters gain way more from extenders and charms than other classes), but thats another issue

[Temari_and_Gaara]

simple just dont do the pvp kqs then u will not be spawned killed there and thats the aim of the kq kill ppl without being killed


Maybe i would like one of those non tradable set items ive HEARD about never seen cuz i cant win because of fighters and their spawn killing.

iam sorry i get very mad when i think of this.

[Temari_and_Gaara]

Um... Get more hp/def? To be quite blunt, this KQ wasn't made for the weak. If you can't survive the attacks then people are obviously going to target you as an easy kill.

Fighters will naturally take Mages as their priority over Clerics since Fighters have low MDef, thus making you one of their biggest threats.

Did you ever think to run when someone comes after you? Maybe slow down the guy with the hammer so that he gets killed easier? Cast your Chain Casted Novas with bunches of people around hoping to steal someones kill?

As of yet, GM's have not posted up any specific rules about PvP KQ (Other than kill everything in sight) so really, anything goes. Other players are not mobs so feel free to jump in the middle of someone elses fight or even protect your fellow "squishies". I've seen Mages work wonders with Fear in this KQ.

Short Story:

Quit whinning because a Fighter killed you in PvP KQ. Maybe work out a plan so that you don't get killed next time. Blame yourself before you blame others and learn from your mistakes.

Edit: I'm not saying Deva doesn't give Fighter a huge advantage. Just saying that mages are in no way unable to defend themselves. Think of it this way. Without Fighters, the hammer will never get dropped cause it'll never get stunned. :P

ok first off sorry for not replying didnt see ur post *pokes brain*

yes ive thought of running thats why i said "i take a 1.2k crit with deva" which as u might know also stuns and it barely missed that

and also iam not whinning and iam not really blaming them clearly if i had a fighter id do the same thing but i just think mages should at least get like alitttle more def or more crit or something i cant afford to buy a +9 so i do crap to any fighter with good def...


also ur right mages can defend themselves but also i think they should at least if theres no way to change stats make fears cooldown alittle less because deva like idk 20 secs fear like 2 mins yeah that sucks


sorry if my post doesent make much sence i have a headache and might be mispelling stuff explaining things wrong ect.

[Temari_and_Gaara]

the main problem is that fighters atm far outnumber mages. can u imagine if this kq was mostly mages and only 1-3 fighters? no doubt the fighters would begin complaining about how they cant move around without bein blasted dead on the spot. 1v1, mages are prob the most capable of killing a fighter (clerics and archers have a much harder time). its not that mages are underpowered, its just that not enough people play the class. cs items though do make this kq unbalanced (fighters gain way more from extenders and charms than other classes), but thats another issue

yeah i agree 100% if there were no sc items in pvp kq...lets say id have me whole set by now ^^


EDIT: my*

[ducatix]

I have a 49 mage kept only for the lower KQ. And I have no problems killing fighters that are at my level. No cookies... just +9 wand and very good armor. Shirt is only armor +9. I generally can 1vs1 any tank and take them down even if they get deva on me... just stone and when deva wears down keep blasting. Only time I have real trouble is when multiple ppl team up and archers/axe full str fighters that know what they're doing. Kill or be killed, I don't agree with teaming but there isn't a rule book that says it's not allowed. It's just a no holds bar pvp. Come up with a strat that works for u, and stick with it. Learn new ways to spread your skills for max dmg, and take advantage of every situation.

I have a couple suggestions for it tho.
-All buffs/scrolls were removed before entering the KQ. There are still some folks that can't afford higher tier scrolls, str/def/dex pots. And since speed scrolls are spread so thinly nowadays, they are an advantage to anyone who has it equipped. Only ppl that can buff would be clerics.

-Redefine the lvls of the KQ to 30~39, 40~49, 50~59 and so on... this would even out the field a lil more for the lower levels that want to test out their skills. And give opportunity to do KQ at all lvls 30+

[mysty2]

I don`t agree with either

[Ian]

Well bein a cleric in the pvp kq, as soon as I get the hammer, a fighter stuns me and kills while I'm helpless...

[neolancer]

i don't know how old this is but, mages are good at pvp if they hit from a distance and don't give their oppenent time to react. i really don't know why i say this because i would've killed a mage but this fighter stepped in and stunned me just when the mage had 52 hp left (exact hp) and if you don't like to be killed by fighters stay away from them

[Blaxcalibur]

i see this so much im tired of it tbh

you play a squishy class...im sure you know that
fighters have low m.def but are natural tank (high hp/def) and also have the highest physical damage...im sure you know that too

build also plays a critical role in pvp..most of the fighters that pvp are Pure STR or 25spr/Rest STR

now...fighters are a melee class, meaning we gotta get close to do anything
mages are a ranged class..see where im goin w/ this?

would it be fair to a melee class to have to make it close enough to do anything to you AND take more than 1 set of skills to kill? yea we hit you hard..we got high DMG and you have low def/hp BUT you have range

mages my lvl can slow me down, fear, chaincast, mana drain, and stifle....and that can help you survive and even kill me before i can do anything..keep in mind not every fighter in the game is on extenders all the time..certain mages in Teva can pretty much 2 hit me if they get a crit in

and IMO pjin is right...if the majority of fighters switched n played mages ppl would be whining about gettin feared, stifled, and mana drained 412423 times in a row and dying hopelessly

/vent

[neolancer]

i agree with Blaxcalibar on this matter. when mages use mana burn and take our sp we can't use sp stones right away so i always carry pots just in case and we all know fighters are squishy, i myself have a lvl 56 fighter and when i get hit by a monster like a Karasian Arch Templar my hp drops like crazy

[Temari_and_Gaara]

may i ask something neo

do u know the cooldown for that skill??


like 2 mins

stones

like 12 secs

case closed

[Sesshomaru]

If mages could kite more moves, they would be godly. But being the only INT users in the game, i guess outspark thought that they need to be held back a bit

[leobaloy]

most of you have never been teamed by 2 mages with bk +9 wands lmao >.>
they ain't underpowered, hell, they're overpowered if anything, fighters are overpowered, but not as much since mage hit so damn hard x.x

***keep in mind i'm talking about lv75-89 pvp kq

[airkiller13]

may i ask something neo

do u know the cooldown for that skill??


like 2 mins

stones

like 12 secs

case closed


i love Temri look at my bloog
lol srry she is just so awsome^^:D
hey when will the maitnece be done

[Blaxcalibur]

may i ask something neo

do u know the cooldown for that skill??


like 2 mins

stones

like 12 secs

case closed

mana burn not your only skill >_>;.......and in a fair 1v1 pvp fight, the 2 players usually wait out however long the other needs for cd

just learn to look for fighters thats not using a extender and challenge them..if you know how to play a mage in pvp..you can win easily against a non-cs fighter w/o even getting hit....nobody notices the average fighters with average gears because they usually dont pvp...what everybody wanna capitalize on is the fighters w/ 50% extenders, charmed,and wearing the godliest gears... NOT EVERY FIGHTER IS LIKE THAT

if its not fair fighters have high def/hp/DMG with a AXE (which IS a axes purpose),then its also not fair that archers and mages can attack from far away..or that clerics can heal

if stun was removed from the game, who would be the overpowered class then? how do you think a fighter would feel if he had no way to use more than 1 skill at a time because by the time he gets to the archer/mage they run off again? where would the balance be in that..? if stun gets removed or gets a stupid long CD id prolly quit this game..4get pvp, fighters would have no use anywhere. its bad enough how archers got screwed (until BR) after mages got nova, u want 2 underpowered classes?

its just seems to me like every class besides fighter either wants

1. to have their hp/def/dmg increased
2. want fighters nerfed so much that they pretty much become healess clerics

keep in mind pvp is a option..this isnt a game where players can just run around and kill random ppl, u dont have to go in...and if you do go in and get pwnt time n time again...you should learn some kind of way to put up a resistance. countless mages have been killed by fighters, but they dont complain about how overpowered fighters are...instead they take the time to do and wat to not let the fighter do i.e. STUN

i really hope the new skills comin up will be enough to stop all this complaining about fighters...

*goes to bed* if you dont get the point im trying to make then idk wat else to tell u :/

EDIT: i just looked at your lvl...that would kinda explain your arguement...
mages dont usually become extremely deadly until they get stifle. once you have stifle,fear,chain cast, n mana burn (use it at the right time its your friend)..you'll see things in another p.o.v....especially once a +9bk wand makes it way to you x.x........

[neolancer]

doesn't matter about the cool time for the skill, the point is that you need to stop complaining when a fighter stuns you, when you can fear them

[pamiras]

<~ as a fighter in PVP KQ I never go after a mage before he/she attacks me x=
<~ likes chasing the other fighters all around the room :3

I don't really think mages are that "underpowered" and fighters aren't that "overpowered" neither if they ain't using the right build and equips. Though.. I gotta say fighters are the strongest in PVP if you play it right. x=

[gleeok]

Er....I agree and disagree. Agree, because yes, frankly INT mages die way too easy against fighters once they learn deva. My suggestion is hide, and when you find not so high hped fighter, attack from distance. Fighters are overpowered because of their skills. They go for all out in 1v1. Which basically reduces tons of hp. But that goes same for the mages. They can overpower fighters' hp if you empower your fear correctly.

[mermer]

fighters are not overpowered in any kind of pvp even pvp kq.my fighter is 32 pure str hp 972 and m.def like 120 and a mage could easily kill me but if i stun the mage his dead.

[kwadjo12]

ever since people could use stones while fear was casted, i can never win a fight against fighters. :(

[kwadjo12]

does anyone understand the cooldown of stun and fear???? :/
Fear has a 2 minute cooldown!

[xiaoling82]

mages rulez xD !!!

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/2460/supermantousg8.jpg

[jrmuzzy2]

The thing. Fighters have realy realy low Mdef. So they go after the mages asap to keep the mages from attacking the fighters. Mages fight diffrently they run around shooting at the fighters. while fighters have to get close. Plus mages have nova and inferno and Fear. Realty check mages are just as strong as fighters.

[neolancer]

does anyone understand the cooldown of stun and fear???? :/
Fear has a 2 minute cooldown!

well i don't know about fear, but the cool time for my dev is like 14 seconds and i use it everytime it cools down =3

[themichael]

Mages arent too underpowered at all.
They are the only ones that can easily their own against a fighter and pose a huge threat. Mages are the only ones I see take fighters their lvl down after lvl 60.
From what ive seen mages have a harder time against archers than any1 else and take them down pretty easily also.

Archers and Clerics hae a MUCH harder time going against a fighter.

As an archer I have to use so many strategies and kite the crap out of a fighter b4 i can finish any of them off with a Natures swiftness double power shot 1 aimed shot combo, if u will.

Fighters- arenet underpowered they are where they are supposed to be.

Mages - are somewhat underpowered because of their low Hp and Defence But they
make up for it with raw power.
(But somehow a fighter still outdamages a mage and its ridiculous)

Archer - Probably the most underpowered compared to fighters other than that we
pretty good.
(also gets outdamaged by a fighter...)

Cleric -Only considered over powered because of their ability to stay alive SOOO long But that can easily be contradicted by their low damage where even an Int mage could stand and tank them without fear being necessary.
(I've never killed a cleric my lvl to be honest way to many cures and heals or me)

Bottom Line- Fighters arent overpowered the other classes are just underpowered compared to them.
(that goes for every class)
[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[kwadjo12]

mages also need a better stone capacity.
My lvl 30 cleric has more sp stones then my lvl 62 mage :/

[themichael]

that i totally agree with and mY Archer only has 97HP and 93SP stones and I know its worse for mages.
or so i hear.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[gleeok]

Stun has 14sec of cooldown once u maximize it with empowerments. Fear has 2minutes. But they have chaincast so can use it 2times. Mages=fighter. They're even. If a fighter comes up to you and stun you're dead. But when a mage attacks from a distance, it's different.

[Canboy]

Stun has 14sec of cooldown once u maximize it with empowerments. Fear has 2minutes. But they have chaincast so can use it 2times. Mages=fighter. They're even. If a fighter comes up to you and stun you're dead. But when a mage attacks from a distance, it's different.

Wait so being able to use fear 2 times in 2 minutes as opposed to Deva 8 times in 2 minutes evens it out?

[fortmotis-icemaster]

ok listen i have learned that
mage do lots of damage and my archer can kill them easy because they have bad AIM fighter have 3 choices of weapons and really high hp and stuff
if u want help beating a fighter place nova around u and inferno then run
and blast them with all your moves and use moves that slow them down then use mana burn om them if they get close they will lose all spr because they have low spr


Archer don't stand a chance against fighter unless they pure dex or pure dex + 25 spr or if they lvl 110

myrecord is 20 fighter i killed my lvl and 3 4 lvl higher then me

lvl 65 ScOuT
old main archer died capped

[kwadjo12]

fear is and stun are the same skills, except fear makes you run around in circles. So, shouldn't fear have the same cooldown as stun, or atleast a lower cooldwon? :/

[DF001]

Err, mages are just ''underpowered'' because most of them are just some noobs and don't get END gears.

fear is and stun are the same skills, except fear makes you run around in circles. So, shouldn't fear have the same cooldown as stun, or atleast a lower cooldwon? :/


Lol, no, that would just be stupid, and something like this.

*casts fear*

*spams skills*

*fear runs out and mage kites*

*mage kite less than 10 seconds until the fear is back*

*repeat process*

Just NO. Want lower CD, then empower it and get set items.

[kwadjo12]

think of how it would be if stun had a 2 minute cooldown, and fear had a 14 sec cooldown

[dannaltimed]

well i think none of them are overpowered or underpowered...that depends how well u put ur points...how well gear u get...and how well u fight....i recognize mages are squishy at low lvls...BUT..once they get high lvls...is kinda hard to fight them...and i say it cause im a fighter...but as i said..it mostly depend on those 3 facts..how u distribute ur points...how well ur gear is..and how well u fight..

[devin_nicolai]

I dont see how there under-powered, my mage beat the kq 5 times in first place :/ .

[traceurmouse]

Mages are overpowered in their own right, they have amazing dmg against fighters but they have low def, fighters have the exact same advantage.

[thedragonblade]

i stil think fighters r overpowered. although i hav taken down a few fighters my lvl. mages hav a really hard time defeating anyone unless they hav a +9 lik me.

[BloodMage78]

Ive seen mages that are pwnage
Honestly the people that make these things just complian cause they cant pvp that well.
Im not tryin to be mean but thats what i see out of them.

Yes it does take time to master your class at pvp so dont expect to kill every1 as soon as you start pvp. Go practice in FBZ's so you dont lose the exp when you die. And if you want to do even better, invest in spark cash.

I've seen all classes do good in pvp from my playing experience.

[swinty]

Mages have some strategic advantages in pvp no other class has because of their aoe skills and pvp-based skills.

Strategy for a mage is much more important than raw force since in that area fighters are much stronger.

I've won that kq 11 times on my mage and started winning from lvl63 all the way to 69.None of my gear was +9, except my wand, so my def wasnt all that great however i did have high end and dex on my gear which made fighters miss constantly and give me enough def to survive long enough to run away. I did use SC for an extender and i did fully scroll i charmed occasionally.

There is a strategy for mages that does work well but it is not easy to do even then i have lost to every class in that kq so its balanced for the most part.

As for why fighters deal more damage than mages i dont know but they do deal a lot more 1v1 dmg than a mage so stay at a distance.

But in the end fighter > mage* in pvp and at higher levels a mage can lose to any class their equal in gear etc. except clerics because of their lack of damagings skills.

Fighters have always been like this ever since pvp came out so i doubt it will change mostly because they are the only class with truly instant cast skills unlike others, especially mages who have a ton of animation, and because of stun.

I do agree fighters should keep stun but lowering the cd on fear would help mages greatly in pvp.

Also last i checked fear has a 1min and 30sec cd but ill go check.

[karvaj]

What did you expect, this KQ should have requirement: SC users only!

Yea I aggre xD altho non sc users can win too if they has some brain =] but its funny to see in like lv 8x kq using up charms for 1 hour just for kq ;P

[gary890]

lmao! sup capt an dark its meh kaiserrrr and i can kill a lvl 70+ arhcer now (if they arent cookied or extenders) get aim and they r dead >:)

[gary890]

Mana!!!!!!! <333

[justlegendary]

Some ppl may claim this isnt true but IT IS

iam tired of joining, getting spawn killed, having every single fighter target me doing 1.2k crits with DEVA i only have 1.8k hp w/o any buffs...

iam normally not this mad

but its getting really bad

say their attacking a cleric thats running and they see a mage

they will immedently go for the mage

say its a mage like me without a +9 ur gunna die if they get near me

really i love the game and the pvp kq but i think that it really isnt fair

vote on poll
mages underpowered? ooooookay this is why el_magico or whatever his name is currently ranked 1st place in pvp and shiki is archer and highest ranked pvp in secret of solstice o-O

[wannabeguyo]

mages underpowered? ooooookay this is why el_magico or whatever his name is currently ranked 1st place in pvp and shiki is archer and highest ranked pvp in secret of solstice o-O

El_mago is just a character who spawn kills people in 2-3x abyss, =/? and SoS balance is better than fiesta.

[Bueawa]

El_Mago doesn't have any respect o.o

[KungFuHobo]

Mages have no place to complain with the generous damage output Outspark gave them.

Don't get me started on how annoying it is to be an archer at pvp lol.

[flipso2]

wow it doesnt matter that they deal dmg.
every fighter automatically looks for mages to kill in the pvp kq becouse they no their like paper.
it is definately very unfair to mages becouse they have no chance in a kq such as this one where everyone is after them

[kwadjo12]

Mages have no place to complain with the generous damage output Outspark gave them.

Don't get me started on how annoying it is to be an archer at pvp lol.

Have you even tried to be a mage. Its no walk in the park.
Our def is lower then a fighters def, yet fighters have higher damage then us. Now TELL ME THERES NOT SOMETING WRONG WITH THAT!

[The_Mafioso]

nope, there is nothing wrong with that. while fighters have higher defense, it has no point when going against a mage. our mdef sucks down to earth. a mage can +9 his armor and get extra defense against a fighter, but fighters can't do anything about their pitiful mdef

when a bk wand +9 does around 1k dmg to a fighter, i don't even try to run to that mage to kill him, i just run the other way hoping to live (it only takes around 5 hits to kill me, and they usually crit =.= so make that 3). the mages' range advantage plus bk+9 means most fighters won't get a chance to close in on the mage unless they are extended / charmed

*edit i only participated in the 8x pvp kq, so perhaps this may be a slightly narrowed view. but in the 8x pvp kq in teva, good mages often ranks in the top 5, and often gets number 1.

[madomad]

Ok, I think they should make fear to have a 30 sec cooldown and deva has that too cus deva does dmg and fear doesn't. But fear is ranged. So a ranged non dmger or a close dmg doing thing. Also...you might my complaining that fear can be chain casted...but stun lasts 2 secs longer I belive. And NO, mages do NOT do more dmg than a fighter...

[themichael]

I always said Deva should have a 2 min cool like fear, but I was only thinking of pvp.

Now that I think of PvE and how much I love it when Fighters stun all those mobs When im in their pts makes me think "i would probably be dead if they didnt have that."
So I think thats why they have such a low cool.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Blaxcalibur]

this aoe fest game + high CD on devastate = mages n archers buyin more BOTs :)

said it many times....pvp is a option, not necessity

[themichael]

Its very neceassary or half the population would probably quit and they would be outa mobey and have to kill fiesta.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Blaxcalibur]

if pvp is a choice, give no exp (besides kq), earns no titles, and seems to be the majority of complaints coming from this game..how is it a necessity O.O

it helps a game to have pvp and should have some sort of free battle area, but its not needed....might not look good on the games resume ._. but its not needed

[themichael]

look around at the top MMo's they all have PvP if they didnt they wouldnt make enought money to post their site on adds on myspace yahoo etc.
(Im sure there will be a couple to a few exceptions but for the most part...)

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[lokoas2]

either fighter/mage are underpowered or overpowered but chek this thread...
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136850
im sure u agree with me ;D

[The-Sakura]

As a mage, I was able to fight on a fairly equal, one on one basis with the best fighter in the game. It's all balanced in my opinion.

[imeel]

after u get stifle mages re pretty good, first pvp kq i joined, i got the lasts positions and i was really frustated. But after play some more, and empower some pvp skills (fear-stifle) i can say that mages re very good. As a mage u need run a lot, u need ks many times, and use fear and stifle at the right time if u have a fighter behind u, im a lvl 80 mage and im always trying to find fighters to kill them ^^

Ice bolt, stifle, fear and run a lot its a must to survive. Steal spell is very good to steal those t4-t3 scrolls if someone have, use it with chain casting :D and dont forget u can cast mana burn, light bolt and light blast while running =]

But yeah its kinda unfair when a extender fighter with near 6k hp uses a hp stone, it heal him for like 2.5k-3k hp =/

[jadedeepfire]

I AGGREEEEE!!!!!!!!!God thx for make this thread! they say mages are overpower wth?:confused: fighters can have8k dmg 4k def and 2k mdmg , how many mages can have?2k def? omg i hate those ppl whoelse say we are overpower only for stiffle and fear,THE COOL DOWN IS 1+MINUT AND DEVA IS ONLY SOME SECONDS!!:mad:

[Lanki]

mages underpowered? no way XD i have high lvl fighter (lvl84) and Mag (lvl70) i did the pvp kq (lvl55-69) and its just how u play in there ^^ for sure many fighters went for me cuase they tot mage= easy kill, but most of them died before they could even reach me XD
And im not using any cs stuff, no extender, charms, crit suits or what ever u can buy. im init build with using high end gears so i have a bit more hp then most mages on my lvl. only +9 is my weapon.

so with good armors, a nice weapon and with a smart way to play in pvp kq u can win it with mage.

i have won it serveral times and i never had an alliance only some friends which i just didnt attacked but no1 helped me when i was attacked and i helped no1 when he got attacked.

[grecohawaii]

the main problem is that fighters atm far outnumber mages. can u imagine if this kq was mostly mages and only 1-3 fighters? no doubt the fighters would begin complaining about how they cant move around without bein blasted dead on the spot. 1v1, mages are prob the most capable of killing a fighter (clerics and archers have a much harder time). its not that mages are underpowered, its just that not enough people play the class. cs items though do make this kq unbalanced (fighters gain way more from extenders and charms than other classes), but thats another issue

I agree with the 'more fighters' thing. I joined a pvp once where there were 3 fighters, two clerics, and the rest were a mix of archers and mages (this was the 55-69 pvp kq in Apple-line).

Two of those fighters were level 69 and have consistently won that pvp kq, the other was like 57 and on the low end of the spectrum.

13th, 14th, and 15th place were those fighters....

We picked on them so bad. It wasn't even funny.

Okya so it was funny~

[sir_vinagre]

i need some help, plz rep my comment... to get the hammer 1st time it appears or u need to look in boxes? and then u need to kill the guy that has it right? and when the guy dies, the hammer is dropped, who gets it? the one who clicks 1st? or its like an item, the guy who killed gets the right to get it... and maybe mages are a little overpowered but not that much, i think that the better class in this are archers if u know how to play it, then fighters, then mages, then clerics , cuz clerics dont hit fckin nothing...

:) im fighter with no +9's and i placed the 6th place and im just lv44... so isnt that hard or good to be a fighter on it, archers are the ones lucky cuz of the skill walk bug, and the natures mist (AoE poison)

[eien_kiseki]

well i don't think its the fighter thats over powered. They can do lots of damage in one hit yes, but they are called 'fighters' for a reason, so the fact that they kill ppl fast shouldn't come as a surprise. However the problem is the fact that mage are too underpowered. They are called the 'damage dealers' yet unlike a fighter mages have complete mediocre dmg even with a wand. The damage difference between a wand and staff is a laughing joke ----> practically none. If the weakness of a mage if their low df and hp, then the weakness of a fighter is their low m.df. So technically speaking as long as outspark pumps up the dmg of the wand, or mage, giving a mage the ability to say... 4 hit KO a fighter (like the way fighters can almost 2-4hit KO a mage). Then it should be even play.

Of course fighters have very long stun time and short cd. So if outspark can also pump fear to last 2-3sec longer or to have like a 20-30sec cd it would be completely fair. Of course the other two classes are also underpowered. Archers because they lack good pvp skills, and clerics because they LACK attacks ~.~ period.

[gregysuper]

actually mages r the most powerful people cuz theres a lot of n00bz fighers with +9 axe waiting for a mage to kick their ***.
However, archers that kick mage's *** are few, so mages have advantage :D

[kwadjo12]

actually mages r the most powerful people cuz theres a lot of n00bz fighers with +9 axe waiting for a mage to kick their ***.
However, archers that kick mage's *** are few, so mages have advantage :D

Well that gave me a good laugh. Mages and archers have the advantage(sarcasm).

The idea for class balance is that every one has advantages and disadvantages, but there is a problem. One class(i dont think i need to say which) has way too many advantages and too little disadvantages. This class has taken some of the purposes of the other classes as well. That is what outspark and on ons soft needs to fix.:cool:

[ducatix]

If you take the raw player... no SC i mean, NPC armor and weapons no +9s. Fighters have the slightest edge over a mage. A mage would have to start with ice bolt to slow down the fighter. Even with spamming all his skills after, fighters high HP i don't think would be taken down low enough, unless you get multiple crits, until fighter closes in for deva. And after deva it's all over for the mage. Fighters have clear advantage straight out of the box, mages have to work hard to be good. Anyone can hit deva and spam all their skills and get bunch of kills in pvp.

At 60 mages get the clear advantage with chain cast fear, but that's every 4 mins. Chain cast is on a 4min CD, and fear on a 2 min.

This is the real world so best way to overcome a fighters ability and damage is to get great +9 armor and +9 wand. It gets more even then. I have hard time killing fully SC fighters with extender. Since it takes up to like 20secs to spam all my skills to take down his 6K+ hp. While it takes only 3 secs for fighter to spam all his.

Just pick your fights correctly. Sometimes you can 2-3 hit a fighter, some you don't have a chance against.

[dackparis]

Wait! I have the answer.

Step 1: Win the lottery
Step 2: Spend it all on Spark Cash
Step 3: Give up the rest of your life to Fiesta.

[sparky_69]

Lol i dont agree!

Why? here's the answer!

Mages can fear and that give them a time to attack...

Fighters can do Devastate...and attack normally

SC users...well thats not cheating...why?

Go and get your own ^^

Hope i helped

SPARKY!

[gamergal]

Well a sc user against a non sc user = unfair fight and not natural. Of course the charmed person will win, so if you have a good old credit card you're sorted, if not :( well good luck there, stay out of wars and pvp zones.

Now my mage is not really worth levelln anymore to be honest as

1) a friend of mine level 60 fighter with goc axe took down a level 89 mage - so he says

2) i saw my level 85 mage friend in war with a kser fighter who took her goc boss off her fighter (hence the war). he was bout 70 to 73 (orcs cud still chase him but he has 70 +9 axe), idk if he had goc axe or regular 70 axe but it was big, yellow and shiny :) (ok he was charmed up, hp ext blah blah as usual - no proper natural fighting anymore) and she was being healed by a level 81 cleric so it was the 2 of them against him, and even tho they won the war, im amazed as he was like over 10 levels lower than her and took so much hp off her and pwned her many times. Without her cleric, she wud have lost the war - oh she had no charms on her tho :( but still!

Even though i dont like that fighter's mentality cos i cannot stomach ksers I have to say that ok he did have 2 level 80+s against him so I will give him that (he didnt take much hp off the cleric), he was over 10 levels lower than them so i guess he had a right to charm himself but if a mage is getn their bums kicked by fighters who are levels lower, then whats the point in having a mage if fighters are that overpowered. Even 60 fighters beating 80 mages!!! Only MAYBE possible chance a mage has against a fighter (with or without charms) is to charm/and +9 their armour head to toe, so im not bothering leveling my 83 mage anymore after what i saw in that war.

My guildie friend though told me that his mage - when he was level 73 - took down 3 60s fighters, but i didnt get the whole story to that and i forgot to ask him is his mage +9d head to toe - i will ask him that later...

But for me, waste of time continuing my 83 mage now, so onto my trusty little fighter and cleric :)

[dr3amon]

MAGES NEED MORE DEF...I NEVER SEE A MAGE WIN AGAINST A FIGHTER or CLERIC

[MartianMage]

MAGES NEED MORE DEF...I NEVER SEE A MAGE WIN AGAINST A FIGHTER or CLERIC

Wrong. Mages need more attack power. It's ridiculous how fighters are outdamaging us.

[spheris]

two words,

spark cash.....that pretty much says it

[spheris]

Wrong. Mages need more attack power. It's ridiculous how fighters are outdamaging us.

no its not, if fighters didn't do so much damage then the mages would take aggro, which would most likely end up in death for the mage.

mock does not always work...

[kouturoq]

Wrong. Mages need more attack power. It's ridiculous how fighters are outdamaging us.

Either mages need much higher dmg, or much shorter cds and cast times.

Fighters have too many advantages...do they even have disadvantages now? lol

I mean, ffs, they're meant to be the tankers. Why else would they have aggro skills such as sneering kick and mock? Why else would they have ridiculous hp and def, even as an str build, or any other non-end build? Why else would their hp stones heal SOOO f'n much?

It's pretty sad when mages and archers, the two classes designed for damage, are out damaged by far by the tanker class.

It really is depressing in PvP. I messed around with one of my dd fighter friends, he had around 430m.def, I had about 850def. His devastate hit me 2.4k dmg no crit and without vitality, my magic blast [lvl89] fully empowered hit only 2.1k with a crit. My mage is practically crapping INT, and was using a BK +9 wand. His fighter isn't pure str, with a BK +9 axe.

I know my post is kinda scatter brained...but ugh. It's just frustrating.
We shouldn't have to become Cash Shop hoes in order to survive.

[keratzoman]

I am gonna disagree that in PVP kq mages are underpowered.Sure,they get stunned a lot.But what happens against a fully sparkcashed mage with everything +9?

[kouturoq]

I am gonna disagree that in PVP kq mages are underpowered.Sure,they get stunned a lot.But what happens against a fully sparkcashed mage with everything +9?

We shouldn't have to become Cash Shop hoes in order to survive.
...[/reply]

10 characters -.-

[saiyou8]

Well I'd say yes, fighters are kinda overpowered. But mages aren't underpowered in pvp kq... They're squishy but what I experienced in pvp with my 4x mage; I got killed maybe 5-8 times but I also got 20 kill points there, without getting the hammer. And my all gears are npc and +0, except the wand is a npc +4. <.< I didn't got scrolls/buffs/charms/extenders either. :0
So yesh, you can survive without being a cs hoe.

[A_geezy]

I am gonna disagree that in PVP kq mages are underpowered.Sure,they get stunned a lot.But what happens against a fully sparkcashed mage with everything +9?

GGK +9, GOC +9, Blue &/or BK +9 = destroy squishy cash shop ho mages with full +9s.

It's true, plain and simple, the only successful mages I've seen in the PvP KQ were cash shop hoes, scrolled up w/ buffs & T3 concentration scrolls & Dex & Str pots, allied with someone else, and were kill stealing from a distance. And even though they didn't die, they never actually took first place.

So yeah, never saw a mage at any level win the KQ without being pimped by CS, not that it hasn't happened, I just haven't seen it. Mages are naturally squishy and don't have enough dex to evade boss weapons.

I don't have a solution though, not much you can do at this point without tipping the balance way overboard towards mages, they might nerf fighters but what would that accomplish for the community? I suggest everyone think real hard about the ulterior consequenses of complaining about being underpowered, the only fix really is nerfing another class so the weak one can compete- they won't make it easier for you, just harder for someone else (remember the archers?)

[MartianMage]

no its not, if fighters didn't do so much damage then the mages would take aggro, which would most likely end up in death for the mage.

mock does not always work...

LOL Then make mock always work and increase mage/archer damage. Problem solved.

I find it ridiculous that the tanker class is outdamaging the damage classes(mages/archers).

What are we? Everyone's aoe slaves during grind session and then everyone's food on pvp and gw? Fighter damage needs to be nerfed or archer/mage damage needs to exceed fighter damage because we are the damage classes.

[mehe25]

Fighters out damage mages, thats already unfair.

[spheris]

LOL Then make mock always work and increase mage/archer damage. Problem solved.

I find it ridiculous that the tanker class is outdamaging the damage classes(mages/archers).

What are we? Everyone's aoe slaves during grind session and then everyone's food on pvp and gw? Fighter damage needs to be nerfed or archer/mage damage needs to exceed fighter damage because we are the damage classes.

given all the dots an archer has I'd say their dmg is fine,

btw fighters aren't just for tanking, they were obviously meant to be the most versitile class.

they have 3 weapons to choose from, not only that but the class change between either gladiator or knight PROVES that fighters have every right to cause as much or more dmg as a mage or an archer.

[MartianMage]

given all the dots an archer has I'd say their dmg is fine,

btw fighters aren't just for tanking, they were obviously meant to be the most versitile class.

they have 3 weapons to choose from, not only that but the class change between either gladiator or knight PROVES that fighters have every right to cause as much or more dmg as a mage or an archer.

No, it's not fine. As long as the tanker class is outdamaging the damage classes it is not fine. You seem to be avoiding that simple point. Who cares if archer DoT is decent or if mage AoE is great for grinding. The problem is that fighters are outdamaging us and that should not be the case.

Also you having three weapons proves nothing. Versatile should not equate to imbalanced class.

[mehe25]

btw fighters aren't just for tanking, they were obviously meant to be the most versitile class.

they have 3 weapons to choose from, not only that but the class change between either gladiator or knight PROVES that fighters have every right to cause as much or more dmg as a mage or an archer.

Gladiators and knights proves that fighters have every right to do more damage than a mage or archer. I find that hard to believe, mages being obviously the ones who are saposed to do the highest damage in the game are being beat by fighter damage.

Does that at all even seem logical or reasonable to you that the fighter class has almost perfect capability and very minor down sides? Just because they are the 'versitile' class as you would think does not mean at all that they shouldn't have large downsides.

[mehe25]

mock does not always work...


Then what about devasate...or the other guy that looks the exact same like mock XD

Out of the three I'm thinking there should be a really good chance for aggro taking.

[spheris]

Deva only works on a set number of monsters depending on which lv deva you're using...

[mehe25]

Deva only works on a set number of monsters depending on which lv deva you're using...

But it still does quite a decent number.

[skskfallen]

Well, myself... I've never been to the PVP KQ, but I've seen my friend do it a number of times. What I see is 1 or 2 mages being spawn killed, 1 or 2 clerics doing absolutley nothing.... And the rest is +9'd axe fighters with crit suits and sparkcash pots. That's probably why I've never bothered to enter. o.o

[spheris]

But it still does quite a decent number.

yeah, but when you solo aoe like I do it only covers a little less than half

Well, myself... I've never been to the PVP KQ, but I've seen my friend do it a number of times. What I see is 1 or 2 mages being spawn killed, 1 or 2 clerics doing absolutley nothing.... And the rest is +9'd axe fighters with crit suits and sparkcash pots. That's probably why I've never bothered to enter. o.o

You cant use any pots in the PvP KQ, even the spark cash ones.

Also its not that tough, it took no less than 3 other 8x to kill me XD

3 meaning 2 mages, 1 fighter in a crit suit with a +9 axe, and occasionally a 4th fighter with a +9 casha axe would jump in O.o

[ironde]

<- owns fighters lmao

[KungFuHobo]

Fighters are overpowered because they come in large numbers-

If you ever get in a KQ with all Fighters YEA they are gonna go for the squishies for quick points

But if you get one fighte rest mages/archers then the fighter is gonna get picked on :0

[ghoffman9]

The classes are equal I think, Mages can deal a lot of magical damge and fighters have a very low magical defense. While mages have a very low defense to physical damage when fighters can dish out a lot of physical damage. To make these classes even more even they give the mages the ablilty to fight at long range, and the fighters have more health.

[MartianMage]

The classes are equal I think, Mages can deal a lot of magical damge and fighters have a very low magical defense. While mages have a very low defense to physical damage when fighters can dish out a lot of physical damage. To make these classes even more even they give the mages the ablilty to fight at long range, and the fighters have more health.

Fighters have the highest def, hp, atk, and stone capacity. Not to mention their stun is aoe and have low cooldown time and their offensive skills have no cast time.

Equal? Play more. =/

[kwadjo12]

The classes are equal I think, Mages can deal a lot of magical damge and fighters have a very low magical defense. While mages have a very low defense to physical damage when fighters can dish out a lot of physical damage. To make these classes even more even they give the mages the ablilty to fight at long range, and the fighters have more health.

if you think the classes are balanced, then you most be crazy.:eek:

[roonthehax]

Solution? Play a fighter.

[roonthehax]

Fighters are overpowered because they come in large numbers-

If you ever get in a KQ with all Fighters YEA they are gonna go for the squishies for quick points

But if you get one fighte rest mages/archers then the fighter is gonna get picked on :0

Agree.

+Rep.

[BainS-NT]

its not that hard lol
I went 46-4 in a KQ w/o charms

[kwadjo12]

i still think mages should get the power back that we lost during the christmas patch during 2007.

[themichael]

Solution1:
Extend the cool/Decrease the duration of stun/deva

Solution2:
Lower the fighters attack power to less than an archers.

Solution3:
Heighten the DD's power...alot...

Solution4:
solutions 2 and 3.

Solution5: (my favorite)
All of the above :D

(Even though we must realize solution 2 and maybe 3 are the only ones outspark will allow)

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[kisvoszek]

i not agree... i mean mages ARE overpowered or the most mage use many sc items but i got beat everytime y a mage... a mage what is same lvl like me hit 1k with one spell and i have max 3k hp...

um i need smaler signature-.-

[themichael]

i not agree... i mean mages ARE overpowered or the most mage use many sc items but i got beat everytime y a mage... a mage what is same lvl like me hit 1k with one spell and i have max 3k hp...

um i need smaler signature-.-

Are u serious?
Tell a mage to go against a fighter with SC pots and all items and see how it goes.

This thread was created 2 further explain how FIGHTERS are overpowered compared 2 the other classes. (since there have been many threads like this b4 this)

Also a mage(not cookied) would have a really hard time killing a fighter b4 lvl 60 since as soon as that mage is stunned....its over...unless they have +9 gear(and still they can be killed).

I see that it usually takes a fighter 2/4 hits 2 kill a stunned mage when the duration of the stun is 8 seconds =\
it only takes 4 to finish them off. D:

Fighters are WAY overpowered and outspark/ons on soft continues to ignore this because they're simply lazy...

A mage SHOULD beat fighters yet fighters should stand a chance.
(this in totally in messed up in fiesta.)
A fighter should beat an archer yet archers SHOULD stand a chance
(which they really dont unless they have high eva)
and
An archer should beat a mage though that mage should stand a chance
(this is the only 1 thats actually in line.)

Lol. but what aare we doing?
Begging for balance?
have we got it? no. not since day 1.
and I actually think that we never will.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[deathbringer54]

Solution1:
Extend the cool/Decrease the duration of stun/deva

Solution2:
Lower the fighters attack power to less than an archers.

Solution3:
Heighten the DD's power...alot...

Solution4:
solutions 2 and 3.

Solution5: (my favorite)
All of the above :D

(Even though we must realize solution 2 and maybe 3 are the only ones outspark will allow)

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]


how much dmg does a lvl 61 archer witha +9 xbow do? probly same or more then me (will put up how much later) and the fighters that r overpowered in pvpkq r +9 axe users and pure str or almost all str like i got killed by mages around my lvl all they need 2 do is make u slow then fear u b4 u get 2 close and u r dead

[themichael]

Well as a lvl 66archer with a +9 xbow, 25spr rest str build, and max power/cool on powershot, I hit about 400 on an axe Fighter my lvl on average, about 300 on a s/s fighter, around 300 on a End cleric, 500 on a str cleric, 500-600 on an archer my lvl no matter the build, and 500-650 on a mage my lvl no matter the build.

I did all my experimentation in pvp kq and didnt include the players pumped with steroids (u can tell who they are =\)

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]