Mage Leveling Problems version 2.0

[WNxOddJob]

Yet again it seems I've become a landslide of unlimited failure as I hit a wall and proceed to ram my head stubbornly into it over and over.

Level 24, burning mountain, baby bats.

About the only thing I've seen yellow for me at this level despite the gold slimes, and yet both are strong enough to get in 1-3 hits before I kill them.

Is this normal? Is this a mage class problem? I'm not sure where to go here. Grinding is incredibly slow as long as I have to sit and rest every 5 fights. =\

I'm starting to think I should re-roll as a cleric, they seem to have less grinding problems, but I love the mage class alot, it's fun. Someone please help save the mage class for me?

[Srit1]

IF you read my post about the class it might make sence.. the class is right now broken. if you dont like to grp then dont roll a mage. the spells we are givin do not scale with the mobs HP and we need to blow our load every pull even on greens. The class spells do not rank and i have never seen a MMo with a much magic restance on a mob as it has melle defence.. needs to be lowered.


you want a mage after 25 then you gota grp unles you love to solo greens and yellow endlesly and realy realy inafeciantly . yay rank 01 spells being the most used for a mage .. people dont understand that its broken and keep playing clueless of the class not saying anything to the creators ... so it will prolly never be fixed and the pvp\pve wil alwase be unbalenced .. Its a small game run by few people I bet .. balencments issues between pvp and pve will never be fixed . id be suprised if this game gets outa beta. all it takes is more dmg in pve on spell ranks and less dmg vrs pvp IE 3\4 dmg pvp .. 100% pvvp all it would take was to lower mob resitance and a bit of math to balence .. not gona happen tho..

ROll a new class if u dont wana grp.. roll a cleric a battle ceric if u want to be Oped :)

[TastyTapioca]

I dunno, I always easily get KSed from mages as a cleric. So I think they're pretty powerful in their own right.

[Shadowfiend]

Question is what kind of mage are u ( im not mage xpert so i dunno how much kinds there) int ? if int i have no idea cause int gives u dmg .........


also it depends on how u upgraded your skills. if u puted dmg n cooldown then again i cant help u if u didnt then thats the thing

[Srit1]

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[rustic]

Firstly, even if the character isn't up to your standard, that doesn't make it broken. Exactly the opposite, I am surmising.

While in burning hill, I soloed all the way thru all of the marlone fighters/archers, etc - that was lvl 24 and 25. I also go to the tomb and solo big bats. Decent xp to be had there too.

The best best, however, is a decent group.

Another avenue that seems to be getting ignored is that the game isn't all hack and slash. Granted to level it really is, but there's the whole economic aspect to view as well.

I realize this wasn't a complaint about the game, but the class. I'm rather protective of mage class because my mage is a bad bad man when fully buffed.

Buffs help btw, and guess what? I sell vitality scrolls for 100c daily.

[Talkius]

The way I play is monotonous and if you are easily bored, very boring...

If I cannot kill the mob in 3 hits, with either the lvl 1 Magicmissile with 5 cooldowns or magic missile, fire, magic misssile, I won't fight it...I try to find mobs that avg 11-20 somethin exp per and massmurder them. In my personal opinion you end up with more loot this way to sell and ingredients to craft with considering you are killing more mobs per minute/ half hour/ hour, however you want to look at it...

When I first played I had an all END fighter, but wasn't happy with dmg output soloing. So, I decided to try mage. I have had no problems lvling solo so far...I have only gotten to lvl 23 though and just started a new character cause I misspent some skill empower points. I use potion and scroll craft, I never go anywhere without being buffed with VIT, DEF and AIM Scrolls. I also never leave without at least 50 SP/HP potions each. Also, I maintain full SP/HP Stones to use in case I need and potions are still cooling down.

I rarely ever die. The only occasions that I do, however, are KQ's with Clerics and Tanks that don't know their role and lag deaths in the more popular areas. Another benefit to lvling like I do, is since they give smaller exp, less people are gonna be there or KS...If this helps in any way, shape or form, Good Deal...if it does nothing for ya, Have fun and good luck...

Game name is Talkius....respecced him so I am only lvl 13 or so right now, remade him last night/early this morn...

Give me a holler in game if u need help, I'd be more then willing to lend a hand, if you promise to return it of course...

[WNxOddJob]

The only 2 stat points I regret were 2 in Magic Missle damage, which would be doing much better for me in cool down *Shrug*.

Maybe I should fraps and post screenshots so we can see what I'm doing wrong, who knows.

But in a jist, this is combat for me:

Get max distance from mob.
Level 1 magic missle.
Level 1 Fire.
Level 1 magic missle.
Level 1 cold bolt.
Level 1 magic missle.
Level 1 fire. (usually dead now, or on the last MM).

In the process, the mob usually gets to me and hits me once, or twice.

[Srit1]

rustic what rank spells do you use when soloing and what con mobs do u fight

[Arrei]

The only 2 stat points I regret were 2 in Magic Missle damage, which would be doing much better for me in cool down *Shrug*.

Maybe I should fraps and post screenshots so we can see what I'm doing wrong, who knows.

But in a jist, this is combat for me:

Get max distance from mob.
Level 1 magic missle.
Level 1 Fire.
Level 1 magic missle.
Level 1 cold bolt.
Level 1 magic missle.
Level 1 fire. (usually dead now, or on the last MM).

In the process, the mob usually gets to me and hits me once, or twice.

I'm only level 21 at the moment, but I tend to open with ice bolt, then use magic missile, firebolt, magic missiles, and run to gain some range, then fire a magic missiles and firebolt to kill the enemy. If this combo isn't enough, I tend to try and kill those enemies as little as possible.

[Patchouli]

I feel that there's just not very much good things to fight in general for any class in the mid 20s, all the burning hill stuff and the luminous stone stuff felt like it suddenly had a large jump in their HP, compared to lvl 20 stuff, while the player characters didn't gain much in the meantime. I think the megatons and luminous stone regular skeletons are the best options around since they hit for relatively low damage, and generally only get an attack or two off before dying.

[Srit1]

does no mage reliz using rank 01 spells becuse there genraly best is not right? no game i have ever played and i have played alot does this... if everyone uses low rank spells most of the time why have higher lvl spell ranks.. using 6 or so + rank 01 spells is the most affianct way or instead we can use high rank and maby 4-6 shot a yellow . BROKEN nuff said.. the mage outline says highest dmg .. lets see it..

[WNxOddJob]

The thing is, we -can- fight with our higher level spells, only problems are:

1. They suck down mana like a runner with gatorade.

2. They're -slow-.

3. Because they're slow, and because they eat mana, they're inefficient.

I haven't bought any of my upgraded spells, just a waste of money.

Why do no GM's or Dev's post on this?

Why do they leave us in the dark?

They don't even say: Don't worry, we'll fix you.

They just leave us quiet, and worrying that we'll be a broken class forever.

[KonataIzumi]

Here's an easy bet. Assuming that you've spent 5 points on cooldown for Magic Missle.

# stands for hotkey.

3 Magic Missle[1]
4 Fire Bolt[Highest level you've got]
3 Magic Missle[1]
5 Ice Bolt[Highest level you've got]
3 Magic Missle[1]
6 Lightning Bolt[Highest level you've got]
3 Magic Missle[1]

Being able to kill a mob with this pattern of spells is fast leveling for you. If you need to recast Magic Missle[1] afew more times after completing this combo, move to a 1 level weaker monster and try again. Your best bet is being level 24, in MT Ice ViVi.

After each kill, REST. Untill your thunder bolt cooldown is down to to 1/6.

IF you're new to Fiesta. My suggestion is this. Make some friends. Talk crap with them all day. Don't grind. Only join KQs. Don't die, don't leech. Just get yourself rares from mara KQ. If you've got enough funds, then just grind all you want.


NEVER-EVER use this combo:

Magic Missle
Fire Bolt
Ice Bolt
Thunder Bolt
Magic Missle

You'll be missing out on dps[damage per second].
Many mages do this but they don't realise they're losing out to other 'smart' mages. :)

[Srit1]

3 Magic Missle[1]
4 Fire Bolt[Highest level you've got]
3 Magic Missle[1]
5 Ice Bolt[Highest level you've got]
3 Magic Missle[1]
6 Lightning Bolt[Highest level you've got]
3 Magic Missle[1]


is that killing 1 mob or 2 mobs at a time..if thats 2 mobs at a time.. then your farming greens or lower

[KonataIzumi]

I believe I mentioned this:
Being able to kill a mob with this pattern of spells is fast leveling for you.

Read that out loud.



Now, I'll re-type it again and this time, shout out the bolded part.


Being able to kill a mob with this pattern of spells is fast leveling for you.

I hope that answered your question.

[WNxOddJob]

Killing Ice ViVi at level 24? A mage at 24 can't even kill the bats at the entrance to MT let alone Ice ViVi which are significantly stronger.

[WNxOddJob]

Also I did some quick math and a test to compare exp gain using full level spells and lowest level ones:

1 minute of training, same mobs each kill, all level 1 spells:

Xp gained: 123 xp
Mana Used: 100 mana
Xp gained per mana point: 1.23 xp

Same expirement, using full level spells:
Exp gained: 114
Mana lost: 292
Xp gained per mana point: 0.39 xp

Using full level spells is an extreme exp sink.

[Srit1]

I believe I mentioned this:
Being able to kill a mob with this pattern of spells is fast leveling for you.

Read that out loud.



Now, I'll re-type it again and this time, shout out the bolded part.


Being able to kill a mob with this pattern of spells is fast leveling for you.

I hope that answered your question.

ok then thats not fast leveling newb thats slow as hell way to many spells befor the mobs dead. GG noob

[rustic]

rustic what rank spells do you use when soloing and what con mobs do u fight

Honestly, I use my highest ranked spells.

I don't buy into this sob story jazz about "I use lvl 1 so it will hit faster". Get a tissue Janice.

I use the age old method of kiting:

Ice (for slow)
MM
Lightning (added effect if it sticks)
_run_
MM
Fire
_run_
MM
Ice


Usually in burning hill, i can kill them in 3 hits, 4 max (baby bats, slimes) the glowing wolves take 5 hits, sometimes 6 if I get a nerfed shot off.

I disagree on principle with what many of my contemporaries say. If i have a lvl 5 skill, I use the lvl 5 skill. Period. If that means I have to use Mentality Scrolls and T2 pots, so be it. It's an absolute travesty for anyone (OP) to try to talk people out of thier own style of play.

I've looked at the damage differences between level 1 MM and lvl 4, and I will take 280+ damage over 120~130 any day of the week.

Now to offer my own thoughts on the class issue. No, I don't have a 40+ mage. I will state that now. However - the math behind my statements is sound. If you can drop in +100 to +200 a hit, speed isn't an issue. I can fire off 5 spells right now in succession, one of which that will slow the mob down long enough for me to fall back to safety (speed scrolls are your friend) and give me time to get my MM and my AoE charged back up to finish the mob.

Another thing that I can't understand is why people refuse to use heal stones, pots and scrolls. I never ever ever hunt without my buffs. Granted, I chose scrolls as a production skill which allows for me to not only make my own, but make enough to sell for enough of a profit to afford to "get high on my own supply". If you are attempting to grind and aren't using a vitality scroll - as a mage - you are a fool. If you have the means to make all of the T1 scrolls but don't because you're not interested in collecting the materials and you are in here fussing about the class is broken...play the game as it was intended. Use the buffs.

Mages are the elite class in the game. They're not freaking easy. It's a skilled class that requires much more thought than 'there's the enemy, let's rush in and blow the sucker up". You have to view the battlefield, understand your lines of attack, if you're in a group you MUST master the art of pulling mobs (ice has the furthest distance so you open with it, duh), if you're soloing you absolutely MUST learn how to kite successfully or you'll end up whining about how the class is broken.

Bottom line: There's four classes in this game. If mage displeases you, I suggest you investigate another path. If you think that this class is broken, I think I'm witnessing a pebcak.

[rustic]

Killing Ice ViVi at level 24? A mage at 24 can't even kill the bats at the entrance to MT let alone Ice ViVi which are significantly stronger.


I challenge these statements 100%.

I managed to not only solo them, but went from 24 to 26 primarily killing bats, spiders and vivi's.

Relatively quick too. At 82~ xp per kill, it's a challenge, but the payoff is worth it.

[Srit1]

Not a challenge u just gota spam pots u cant kite ranged well

[rustic]

Not a challenge u just gota spam pots u cant kite ranged well

Tier 2 Shield, Power and Magic defense think differently.

[Veers]

At level 36, I was mowing down Tomb Foxes and Fire Vivis (yellow to me) a couple days ago for some questing and soloing. I'm 25SPR 16INT using a +0 staff, using tier 1 defense and m.defense scrolls.

Magic Missile [MAX]
Ice Bolt [MAX]
Run a few steps back
Magic Missile [1]
Fire Bolt [1]
Magic Missile [1]
Lightning Bolt [MAX]
Magic Missile [1]/Fire Bolt[1] spam until dead, use health stone/pot as needed.

Rest. Repeat.

In parties, it's rank 1 spam all the way. Why? Because while their burst damage (damage in the first 10 seconds) is lower, overall damage per second and damage per mana are better.

I agree that mage spells need to be reworked, but don't QQ about it being a class that can't solo--we can solo, you just need to pick your fights and come prepared with the right consumables.