There Is No Point In Being A Pure END Warrior....

[RetardedAnt]

There is no point in being a pure END warrior
every warrior has +9 gear these days
its just a waste of money and time to be a pure END
as much as u disagree u know its true...
everyone is gettin richer...

[DemonBlitzKragor]

lol not everyone goes pure end for the defence alone, there's the hp to factor in and a pure end WITH +9's > than a non-pure end with +9's

[Valentyn]

Yeah +9ed Full Str DD fighters is the new revolution... and i dont like it.

[HeroicAce]

There is also the block rate increase for pure end as well as health increase. End isnt bad at all, i know some end fighters that tank and fight better with +0s then some str fighters that have +9s. the only thing they fall behind in is pvp, which if you arent a heavy pvper then there is no problem.

[EchoSound]

Even with a complete set of +9's a full str fighter is way too squishy to do a warrior's job. As a cleric, I can tell you this right now... healing them is like healing a mage. Very little health, high damage, and a rush for the heal button. Def absolutely doesn't matter if you do not have enough hp to handle the mobs.

Personally the only reason I could see a person going full str with a set of +9's is for soloing purposes. :/ Nothing more. It's just not practical.

[OmniXeon]

Lol if your gonna say that being pure end is a waste of money...then what do consider the full str builds that have +9s? I don't think it's an issue of money considering u just said:
everyone is gettin richer...

I'm a 25spr rest end build myself and I keep both a 1h/shield and axe so its not difficult for me to decide whether i want to do extra damage or maintain a higher def.

Btw this should be moved to the fighter section

[Andromeda]

Well it's easily to tell Pure STR or Pure STR/25 SPR build is definitely more popular than a Full END fighter build due to the STR build being more effective overall.

It isn't just PvP a STR fighter will excel better than a END fighter. Pure STR fighters are easily better soloers than Full END ones. I do remember when I was on Orcs I saw what looked to be an END built fighter with a +9 Lv 50 1 hander. By the time he had killed one orc I had managed to kill almost 3 orcs in that time.

I think STR fighter is more popular because they are simply better soloers which equals quicker kills which ultimately means faster leveling and pure STR fighters can pretty much do everything a Pure END fighter could depending on the person behind the keyboard.

In particular I done a Great Spider KQ recently we decided to kill Great Spider we actually decided another fighter tank because he was full END using a 1 hander and shield but it was me and my Pure STR build and axe user that ended up tanking. I did a fine job of it and I only ended up dying near the end because the half of the mages were clueless to why we decided to kill Great Spider in one of the 4 rooms either that or they were AFK.

Well ultimately both builds have their cons and pros but ultimately it is the STR build that triumphs the END build overall.

[flamingslayer]

Knock knock..block rate % only gives in end free stat points (;

[EchoSound]

shame on you, flaming. that was a horrible knock knock joke XD

[pokemon4955]

Knock knock..block rate % only gives in end free stat points (;

lmfao i gotta stop getting into my alt account lately._.

Anyway roflmao %blockrate are awesome than evasion D:!! every1 know that >D With high evasion..they can just get a t4 aim scrol :) with %block rate u have a small chances of them not hitting u roflmao. And erm although %block rate for fighters much more useable o.o' they have the block rate skill DX

[EchoSound]

Y'know I gotta say I really, really don't get the whole dex craze. People have constructed arguments for me to read, and each time I scratch my head at the dynamics of it. With the small chance of a miss, and the high chance of a hit... I'd rather take less damage than to risk not being hit by adding end. End ALWAYS ftw.

And on the block rate thing... I just have to laugh. My level 71 paladin earlier blocked the FBZ dragon-terror like three times. But of course unless you use a shield you won't get the "block" but you will have a better chance of surviving a hit. Oh, also... in that same FBZ adventure, I killed my dex-happy mage friend (him 88 and me 71) and only missed a few times no aim scroll. :/ So again, I see no point in dex. kthnx bai. I r not impressed.

[joecracker]

dont forget its about skill crits as well :) there is no perfect build but str fighters with +9 is nothing new :)

[borednl]

END is best when a character gets hit for low damage, because it is a set amount of damage reduction per hit. DEF modifies the base damage that a target does to a character.

So, here is a situation where are pure END fighter would excell:
-In abyss a monster would have hit him for 60 damage, but he has 60 in END and so instead gets hit for 30. He can pulls some MAASSIVE mobs and have no problem surviving.

Here is a situation where a pure END fighter would actually be weaker than a pure STR fighter with +9's:
-A boss monster hits for 5,000 base damage. The high END fighter with 60 END free stat points has 1,000 defense, the STR fighter with +9 armors has 1,800 defense. The END fighter gets hit for 500 damage. The pure STR fighter with +9 armor gets hit for 400.

Defense modifies damage by a %, based on the difference between the defense and raw damage. Therefore the bigger the hit is, the more it is modified by defense. With END free stat, the lower the hit is, the more of a percentage the decrease in damage is.

Pure END builds would be awesome at mobbing in abyss, especially if they have +9 armors on. A Pure STR fighter can still be awesome tanking a boss monster. They will take a few extra points damage, but that's not a big deal when getting hit for high amounts.

A pure STR axe fighter with +0 armors has just as low of defense as a mage with +9 armors, so of course they wouldn't make for very good tanks, now would they? They still have an AOE stun to avoid damage though that a mage does not have and are able to do a much greater DPS in comparison to a mage to individual targets because they can spam their skills.

so, it depends on what is important to the fighter. I took the middleground on my fighter and I use +9 armors. I don't do as well in PVP compared to pure STR fighters, but what I lack in STR I make up for in skill. When tanking, I do not die because I will use HP stones and HP pots if necessary. So no matter where I go, I am seen as a good player.

[Luke.mc]

I completely disagree.

I'm 16 years old, I go to school, and I have a part time job. I am no way going to spend £20 of my hard earned money to buy just 1 +piece.

Then again, I can buy +9's with IG money. But, as I said, I go to school, I've exams coming up, I have a job, and I have social life. The time I play Fiesta doesn't give me the amount of gold I do need to buy them.

Being full END fighter gives you the ability to tank things no one else can. If you can get +9's on top of that, great, now you're even more impossible to kill.

If the person doesn't want to go full end, they could have 50 END rest STR. Or 25 SPR, rest END etc.

[borednl]

Y'know I gotta say I really, really don't get the whole dex craze. People have constructed arguments for me to read, and each time I scratch my head at the dynamics of it. With the small chance of a miss, and the high chance of a hit... I'd rather take less damage than to risk not being hit by adding end. End ALWAYS ftw.

And on the block rate thing... I just have to laugh. My level 71 paladin earlier blocked the FBZ dragon-terror like three times. But of course unless you use a shield you won't get the "block" but you will have a better chance of surviving a hit. Oh, also... in that same FBZ adventure, I killed my dex-happy mage friend (him 88 and me 71) and only missed a few times no aim scroll. :/ So again, I see no point in dex. kthnx bai. I r not impressed.

DEX free stat for mages isn't very impressive because a mage's natural evasion isn't very high. The free stat % isn't as helpful for evasion as it is to an archer. An archer benefits more from evasion because they kill larger mobs more slowly and risk taking too many hits. A miss is 0 damage, while the free stat END is a small damage reduction that is more useful for high defense characters.

for example. Let's say 1 archer upgrades 20 END and would have gotten hit for 160 each hit, but the -10 damage per hit makes it like 150 per hit. After 10 hits, they take 1,500 damage total. If they put 20 points into DEX, which caused them to be hit 1 less time every 10 hits, then they would take 160 damage 9 times, which is 1440 damage total, or 60 less damage than the END archer.

This is the value of DEX. Since mages and fighters have a lower evasion than archers, it doesn't help them as much as it does archers. Archers also must rely heavily on their poisons and crit damage to kill an opponant, while running to prevent from dying too quickly. Their poisons and diseases MUST hit or they will lose their only advantage, which is damage that ignores any type of defense. Even then, if they stop and attack, their main power hits are too slow and don't do enough damage to kill someone (usually) unless they crit. This is why archers have the highest crit rate out of all the classes. If they don't crit, then they just have to keep running and try again till they do. If they get caught though.. then they are in trouble.


I completely disagree.

I'm 16 years old, I go to school, and I have a part time job. I am no way going to spend £20 of my hard earned money to buy just 1 +piece.

Then again, I can buy +9's with IG money. But, as I said, I go to school, I've exams coming up, I have a job, and I have social life. The time I play Fiesta doesn't give me the amount of gold I do need to buy them.

Being full END fighter gives you the ability to tank things no one else can. If you can get +9's on top of that, great, now you're even more impossible to kill.

If the person doesn't want to go full end, they could have 50 END rest STR. Or 25 SPR, rest END etc.

If you went with more STR, I bet you could complete quests faster. However, your character as a high END build would be much more useful in AOE parties. Make sure your mock has full cool-time upgraded.

[Seria]

Even with a complete set of +9's a full str fighter is way too squishy to do a warrior's job. quote]
^^ Seriously.... especially in Kq's whenyou need a fighter to tank. xD
[quote=RetardedAnt;1461044]
everyone is gettin richer...
Am I the only poor person on fiesta....?

And Fighters are supposed to be the ~tank~ not ~damage dealer~ (yes i like squiggles)
And it is not a waist of money.
Honestly pure STR fighters suck. And I hate being in a partyw ith them on my archer and cleric.
^^ If they cant take the hits they anrt very usefull, especially since their aim sucks... usually. Ive seen fighters with +9 armor that was pure str but couldnt tank the boss in a kq. While a archer w/ no +9 armor thats a lvl or more lower than the fighter that was able to tank it with no problem. (THe archer being a end/str based archer)
:P


._. <3 End Fighters....

[DF001]

Bored, I don't agree with that evasion because, if they tell you have 10% chances of finding a certain number in a hat, it doesn't mean you will find it after 10 tries.

[darthnish]

Bored, I don't agree with that evasion because, if they tell you have 10% chances of finding a certain number in a hat, it doesn't mean you will find it after 10 tries.

psst gaara ewy's evasion is useless in pvp, not in mobbing though, its my most reliable defence , cause its aboslutely ceritain i will ATLEST get 1 miss every 5 shots.( i usually get 2 or more)

[borednl]

Bored, I don't agree with that evasion because, if they tell you have 10% chances of finding a certain number in a hat, it doesn't mean you will find it after 10 tries.

You might find it two or three times. You might not find it in 20 tries.

DEX is not as reliable as END. The greater damage reduction from DEX (which only applies to an archer's free stat) is useful for distributed damage, where each hit the archer takes is not a critical hit. This happens when an archer kites. They don't get hit all at once, they get hit here and there. Archers also get hit for high amounts, so the small damage reduction of END free stat per hit doesn't help an archer much. When the damage is distributed, it allows for each hit to be non-critical, so a greater (if more unreliable) damage savings has a greater weight. This only applies to archers though for their free stat DEX, which adds a percentage of their naturally high evasion.

I can see how an archer that parties with a cleric and stands still while AOE'ing, while using +9 armors might actually benefit more from END though. However, I think their relatively low "instant damage" would make this style of AOE'ing inferior to the power AOE's of a mage, simply because they would be slower.

[ahtai]

Well I get my fighter to 50 END now adding SPR till 25 than probably rest put in DEX. I just love her walking around everywhere killing all the real red mob and having fun.

Yep a END tanker is well loved by all cleric.

[chaosfury]

5% increase in block rate isn't actually shabby. My Cleric's total of 13% block rate with stoneskin has helped me a lot.

And yes,I love partying with END tankers. I don't mind slower killing speed since I have already accustomed to killing slowly anyway.

[iLoveless]

I don't see why a full END would be a waste of money. In fact, I think they save more money...

I'm full END and I've also re-statted to that 50 END and rest STR build. I didn't see a significant difference in killing speed. So I killed 1-2 more mobs than my full END build, nothing to cheer about. I'm also not about to spend (waste) hard earned money on +9'ing every piece of armour I have on me or buying them in-game. That's ridiculous.

I'm just saving up to put some into SPR to up my (seriously crappy) m.def.

[Andromeda]

Well I get my fighter to 50 END now adding SPR till 25 than probably rest put in DEX. I just love her walking around everywhere killing all the real red mob and having fun.

Yep a END tanker is well loved by all cleric.

Not when I had my cleric. I remember being in Trumpy Remains. There were 2 different fighters I used to frequently duo with one was Full STR Axe User and the other was Full END Axe user. Every time Id come on and go to Trumpy Remains Id always pray for the Pure STR fighter to be there looking for me so I could get fast exp.

But in a shorter version Id much rather duoing with a Pure STR fighter than an END one.

Even in parties I didnt care at all since I found myself keeping up with heals even on Pure STR fighters. So it kinda grew on me the fast paced exp I was getting with Pure STR over Pure END to the point where I started to hate duoing with END built fighters period.

[ahtai]

Not when I had my cleric. I remember being in Trumpy Remains. There were 2 different fighters I used to frequently duo with one was Full STR Axe User and the other was Full END Axe user. Every time Id come on and go to Trumpy Remains Id always pray for the Pure STR fighter to be there looking for me so I could get fast exp.

But in a shorter version Id much rather duoing with a Pure STR fighter than an END one.

Even in parties I didnt care at all since I found myself keeping up with heals even on Pure STR fighters. So it kinda grew on me the fast paced exp I was getting with Pure STR over Pure END to the point where I started to hate duoing with END built fighters period.

LOL I am the opposite. I hate pure STR fighter not able to pull their weight in AOE party and not able to tank the mob eventually get Cleric killed. Yes I end up have the whole room of mob on me and tested sacrificed good when I just got that new skill.

I just love END heavy fighter, pull the whole map with preriodic heal than the mages slam nova over all the mob and we can shoom chat and wait for the mob to respawn.

If I want fast kill and good exp duo, I will look for a mage not fighter. Being END cleric I can do the tanking myself, once nova hit I can switch and heal mage only.

[borednl]

Not when I had my cleric. I remember being in Trumpy Remains. There were 2 different fighters I used to frequently duo with one was Full STR Axe User and the other was Full END Axe user. Every time Id come on and go to Trumpy Remains Id always pray for the Pure STR fighter to be there looking for me so I could get fast exp.

But in a shorter version Id much rather duoing with a Pure STR fighter than an END one.

Even in parties I didnt care at all since I found myself keeping up with heals even on Pure STR fighters. So it kinda grew on me the fast paced exp I was getting with Pure STR over Pure END to the point where I started to hate duoing with END built fighters period.

There's a good reason for this: TR is a high damage/high defense area. Pure STR fighters will kill much faster than END fighters. END fighters will also take the same damage from the heart trumpies and only have the physical attacks reduced by a small amount. END fighters excel when mobbing in places like abyss where the goal is to gather humongous groups of monsters that do low damage per hit. STR fighters excel in high damage/high defense monster areas.

[iLoveless]

If you are going for a duo (and you're a Cleric) then yes, choose a full STR build fighter... but if you're any other class (Archer/Mage) then it might be better to choose someone who is full END. One for tanking/healing and the other doing the damage, isn't that how duos work? If you're both rather squishy then... that doesn't work very well either.

[ciahuicoatl]

I think its funny that ppl say PURE STR Fighters suck....I've been told over and over that I am 1) a Good Tank and 2) a good DDer...so go figure that? I can hold my own as a lvl 53 PURE STR fighter and I have Tanked MD...how is that sucky? And the ONLY +9 thing I have on my Fighter is my AXE! lmao. So much for Pure STR fighters sucking..I can tank for Abyss too...PURE STR FIGHTERS FTW! - Zekhmet

[DF001]

I can solo MD (the dragon) with my pure STR fighter. :/

[Dthugtherealist]

Well I think full str fighters are smart about what they do when they choose a build like that. Their not big lug heads with a huge axe. They grab all the end gear that they can find they make sure to get their axe+9ed to do max dmg maybe even a +9 chest plate. I've seen pure str fighters with very good hp on my server I guess cuz wherever I go theirs axe users mostly and their def does not suk even 2h users on my server "Tank" kq bosses that are full str go figure. In a aoe party yes full end S/S Tanks own mage/tank duo is like the best and most efficient duo I've seen. When it comes to taking care of business though grinding millions tanking kq bosses with "help" full str axe users own. The clerics that choose full end tanker duo's are the lazy one's who only want to periodically heal or use way lower lvl heals all the time. Since fighters have the most natural end/str I think if you can't heal a full str successfully then you have problems.

[Luke.mc]

I can solo MD (the dragon) with my pure STR fighter. :/

Yeah but I hear you're pretty godly.

[Dthugtherealist]

Oh yea one more thing Im a hybrid of 23str 33end 25spr I use axes I tank well in abyss and I can duo with mages/archers quite well my kill speed is awesome though I think without the end I'd have way less hp and def would go back to suckage. I have tanked every kq boss for my teams and my self except spider and the two low lvl kq cuz I lvled out of em too quick. I even use Vitality on the kq bosses ROFLMAO a def lowering move to end the bosses life way quicker. I have friends that are pure end Tanks or that are Tanks but they seem to feel stupid when I tank the same amount of mobs in way less time.

[Miazma]

Of late I have really seen where pure STR fighters are the ABSOLUTE pits. Try doing a KKQ with 3-4 pure STR fighters all you hear is

*I cant tank slime I am to squishy*
*No point me trying to hit I die in 1 hit*
*I cant mob them I will die*
*I cant hit KK I will die*

Now is this the fault of being pure STR? No it isnt. Pure STR build works just fine but you need to use SCROLLS and look for high END on your gear.

As a party cleric I will party with a full END fighter anytime, they go in, they mob, their hp can take the damage, this gives me time to keep the whole party alive.

Now lets look at the negative comment *full END fighters are useless because they are weak*

WHOA again and again and again. A full END fighter with HIGH STR on all his gear can deal more than decent damage and has awesome defense. He can swap from 1h to 2h to axe and use each weapon in different circumstances and do it well.

My game hubby is a full END tank and I spend my days partied with him. My preference as a cleric is to party with a full END or hybrid fighters, UNLESS the full STR build has taken the time get his END/Def from scrolls/gear.

[illusiondiffusion]

Have you seen uaelonely's 10k hp? nobody is tearing through that. except maybe helga :eek:

[villaloboos]

Even with a complete set of +9's a full str fighter is way too squishy to do a warrior's job. As a cleric, I can tell you this right now... healing them is like healing a mage. Very little health, high damage, and a rush for the heal button. Def absolutely doesn't matter if you do not have enough hp to handle the mobs.

Personally the only reason I could see a person going full str with a set of +9's is for soloing purposes. :/ Nothing more. It's just not practical.

haha. Enough Hp ? :oooooooo

My base Hp with exntenders is 6000

If i was full end i Would had 6750hp - 6850 counting power of love 5% hmm

With no extenders Would be 4000 if i was full end 4500 ..

I didnt know 500hp was such a big difference when handling " mobs "
Counting if full end You hit 120+ dmg less every hit and 240+ less if critical.



Of late I have really seen where pure STR fighters are the ABSOLUTE pits. Try doing a KKQ with 3-4 pure STR fighters all you hear is

*I cant tank slime I am to squishy*
*No point me trying to hit I die in 1 hit*
*I cant mob them I will die*
*I cant hit KK I will die*

Now is this the fault of being pure STR? No it isnt. Pure STR build works just fine but you need to use SCROLLS and look for high END on your gear.

As a party cleric I will party with a full END fighter anytime, they go in, they mob, their hp can take the damage, this gives me time to keep the whole party alive.

Now lets look at the negative comment *full END fighters are useless because they are weak*

WHOA again and again and again. A full END fighter with HIGH STR on all his gear can deal more than decent damage and has awesome defense. He can swap from 1h to 2h to axe and use each weapon in different circumstances and do it well.

My game hubby is a full END tank and I spend my days partied with him. My preference as a cleric is to party with a full END or hybrid fighters, UNLESS the full STR build has taken the time get his END/Def from scrolls/gear.

Wrong.. :3
Every 5 str Its only 1 damage more. It shows different on DMG Screen.
Lets say.. 150 Str = 30 more dmg every hit.
Since when 30 dmg is DECENT damage? :o?





As a full DD axe fighter i can Say that i can tank better than all those END fighters out there, Its the skill that matters not 500 more hp .


END fighters = TOTAL waste :D!!

[Miazma]

haha. Enough Hp ? :oooooooo

My base Hp with exntenders is 6000

If i was full end i Would had 6750hp - 6850 counting power of love 5% hmm

With no extenders Would be 4000 if i was full end 4500 ..

I didnt know 500hp was such a big difference when handling " mobs "
Counting if full end You hit 120+ dmg less every hit and 240+ less if critical.




Wrong.. :3
Every 5 str Its only 1 damage more. It shows different on DMG Screen.
Lets say.. 150 Str = 30 more dmg every hit.
Since when 30 dmg is DECENT damage? :o?

As a full DD axe fighter i can Say that i can tank better than all those END fighters out there, Its the skill that matters not 500 more hp .


END fighters = TOTAL waste :D!!

Yep of course I am wrong, I am only the cleric trying to keep the SQUISHY full STR fighters alive :D Of couse as a full DD axe fighter you are better than all them useless END fighters. They are all to dumb to understand skills, you of course are way more leet than all of them. Stands to reason you are the only one on the game who understands skills. :D :D

You also dont say what your lvl is but I see you are 8x. 6.5k HP ???? mmmmmhhhh lvl 89 using the same buffs as you full END Lord has close to 10k without full 8x gear. But I agree I cant see where an extra 3.5K HP would make any difference at all :D

[elisagiven]

:DThank You Clerics for standing up for Full END Fighters I have had clerics ask me into their parties on my 5x AND my 8x fighters. Peaches (5x) is pure tank from the start and has tanked MD since day 1 without so much as the tiniest of issues with a good cleric on her team and a set of t3's, after the glich was removed.
Killa is end/str/spr (50end/23str/10spr) tanked KKP her first time in with no cleric in party, pots and stones alone and t3's and didn't die once!
I have seen many Str and other build (? what idk) fighters die trying to tank in both KQ easily and they get frustrated and stop using scrolls because....ummmm it gets too expensive to waste them. Is that worth the cost of +9's? :confused:
Seriously, they dont have the def nor the HP to withstand the jumps and fire of KKP or MD, I know.... Killa USED to be one! If the tank dies the KQ is a fail.

Killa tanked KKP with a cleric archer and mage...only 4 people in the single KQ and it was a win because we kept the mobs where we wanted them and everone stayed alive. If a str fighter had tried and died... so probably would have the other 3.
If I want to deal any serious fast Dmg I strap on a Power and Def scroll and my axe and have at it!:cool:
Its not a necessity to PvP, but I have taken on Str build fighter archers and mages and the mage is the only one I have difficulty with. Str fighter is a draw >< but I dont loose. I have yet to try dex but I'll take offers :rolleyes:
As for soloing...it gets boring and slow for clerics as well so idk how it cant be slow for all fighters. Isnt that the whole idea for parties?
The only ones who seem to have any luck soloing fast at high lvls are archers and mages anyhow.:p

Oh yeah...one more thing I dont need extenders for max HP or charms for max def...thats comes naturally

[iLoveless]

I don't know why you'd say a pure END is a total waste. What if the game never had statted equipment? No +9'd armours and weapons... no charms or extenders? I doubt these fully +9'd people can stand a KKP jump or MD fire without them. I'm not saying a pure STR fighter is bad; to each their own but saying one build is completely useless is just... not right.

STR is a good free stat to invest in, that I won't argue. But whether one can tank better is not solely up to the build as you can see when an archer tanks, etc. It's also the person behind the keyboard. I wouldn't be laughing when that full END tank with 500 more HP is standing cause of that extra bit of HP while the other is face down.

[Chaola]

The answer is in the shield...

When you look at it, in the higher levels, the HP bonus and def bonus is negligeable...

Full STR or full END with the same gear will tank, imho, as well as the other... Full STR even better, with the aggro keeping...

Don't compare a STR fighter who tries to tank with an axe and a END fighter who tank with a shield...

The answer is in the shield...

[DF001]

I want to tank KKP with my pure STR fighter to proove a point.


Also, just because you are pure STR, it doesn't mean you can't get S/S :3

[elisagiven]

The answer is in the shield...

When you look at it, in the higher levels, the HP bonus and def bonus is negligeable...

Full STR or full END with the same gear will tank, imho, as well as the other... Full STR even better, with the aggro keeping...

Don't compare a STR fighter who tries to tank with an axe and a END fighter who tank with a shield...

The answer is in the shield...

Very true the shield adds the extra def needed, thats proof for any END who also uses an axe. I rarely see a STR fighter doubly equipped though (not saying never.)
I still think END helps keep everyone in the party alive when a cleric has to work less hard to keep an END tank alive versus a STR fighter as tank. Once again if the tank dies and looses the Boss where does it go? Plus like another poster said its the person behind the keyboard, I have seen many STR fighters try to second tank MD (tyvm fear >.<) and it can be a disaster! After regaining controll of MD and using lots of pots hopefully everyone is alive again and no mobs have spawned, I havent died.
By the time you hit GH everyone knows their jobs hopefully, and its just a peice of cake. I think just about any class can tank GH....but thats my opnion.
Besides, don't both have a rightful place in a party? I've said this on other threads...Cleric, Tank, Mage, Archer and DD: Five man/woman party is the perfect party with all the peices.
Why is this an endless battle between fighters anyway? Support, don't hate:)

[villaloboos]

Yep of course I am wrong, I am only the cleric trying to keep the SQUISHY full STR fighters alive :D Of couse as a full DD axe fighter you are better than all them useless END fighters. They are all to dumb to understand skills, you of course are way more leet than all of them. Stands to reason you are the only one on the game who understands skills. :D :D

You also dont say what your lvl is but I see you are 8x. 6.5k HP ???? mmmmmhhhh lvl 89 using the same buffs as you full END Lord has close to 10k without full 8x gear. But I agree I cant see where an extra 3.5K HP would make any difference at all :D

6500 BASE.
When i go fully buffed with scrolls power of love i hit 8892 hp. Being a STR fighter ^^
Max hp ive seen on a FULL END is like 9600. With TERRIBLE LOW damage =D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now.. 800 Hp Makes a big difference?
And im 89 Ive been lazy to update that ;(


P.S IM not using the End Blue top =)

[DF001]

Base HP isn't extendered HP lol

[Dizuma]

Only reason this seems to be is because everyone these days are extendered. Most of the full str's out there dont know how to use mock so why rely on them to tank? Their skills are better suited and empowered to solo/pvp. Most Str fighters laout ive seen looks similar to so:

Power Hit: Max Dmg/Max CD
Vitality: Max CD/Max Duration
Devastation: Max CD/Max Dmg/Max Duration
Precise Attack: Max Dmg/Max CD

While a Full End built for tanking, their empowerments would be something like this:

Slice&Dice: Max Dmg/Max CD
Mock: Max Dmg
Devastation: Max Dmg/Max CD
Accurate Strike: Max Dmg Max CD
(Op. Last nine points on Precise Attack Max CD/Four Points on Dmg.)


At the level cap right now we have 44 Empowerment points but need 45 to complete this style of layout. Ask alot of the full Str out there what theyre most suited for pvp or tanking if one of them utter the word tanking ask them if they have the much need Max CD on Mock skill, you wouldnt be suprised at the responses you get. I doubt most of them will rush to cash shop and re-empower the skills they need just to tank for one period in time. While a full End Fighter has the build to tank and by switching to an axe they can also solo with the optional use of the last nine points for Precise Attack.

You can never say full End Fighters are useless because alot of the pure str fighters out there would be considered useless also without their extenders. x.x I think i confused myself but i hope you understand what i mean.

[borednl]

Yeah but I hear you're pretty godly.

In my 40's, my fighter could tank MD pretty easily. I have screenshots of me alone in the KQ (after everyone else died), pulling the dragon back to the entrance to kill a mage that had idled at the entrance. The mage ran in terror, but.. The MD got him. :)


http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z237/BoredNL/Random%20Fiesta%20Screenies/screenshot040.jpg
(i'm level 47 here I believe - You'll notice the 1 heart missing? I died before tanking MD saving our 1 cleric from a mob that was chasing him.)


With a good enough cleric, a 5x fighter with white gear on could tank MD if they knew what they were doing and wore a shield.

And here I am soloing the robo KQ at lvl41..


http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z237/BoredNL/SoloedRobo.jpg
(No, I don't use extenders or charms)

END free stat is only useful for LOW DAMAGE hits! When a fighter gets hit for like 800 damage, even 60 END would only reduce the damage by 30 points, making it 770. END's strength is in abyss or yellow mobs, where it can reduce the damage the fighter takes by up to half, allowing the fighter to pull some MASSIVE mobs and let AOE parties totally rock.

[ciahuicoatl]

Hm...I have Mock CD...interesting, I have my Skills set up like an END Fighter. Yet Im a STR fighter, I gotta say something tho...Me taking DMG doesnt matter-They are already Dead. - Zekhmet

[allyyCORE]

Only reason this seems to be is because everyone these days are extendered. Most of the full str's out there dont know how to use mock so why rely on them to tank? Their skills are better suited and empowered to solo/pvp. Most Str fighters laout ive seen looks similar to so:

Power Hit: Max Dmg/Max CD
Vitality: Max CD/Max Duration
Devastation: Max CD/Max Dmg/Max Duration
Precise Attack: Max Dmg/Max CD

While a Full End built for tanking, their empowerments would be something like this:

Slice&Dice: Max Dmg/Max CD
Mock: Max Dmg
Devastation: Max Dmg/Max CD
Accurate Strike: Max Dmg Max CD
(Op. Last nine points on Precise Attack Max CD/Four Points on Dmg.)


At the level cap right now we have 44 Empowerment points but need 45 to complete this style of layout. Ask alot of the full Str out there what theyre most suited for pvp or tanking if one of them utter the word tanking ask them if they have the much need Max CD on Mock skill, you wouldnt be suprised at the responses you get. I doubt most of them will rush to cash shop and re-empower the skills they need just to tank for one period in time. While a full End Fighter has the build to tank and by switching to an axe they can also solo with the optional use of the last nine points for Precise Attack.

You can never say full End Fighters are useless because alot of the pure str fighters out there would be considered useless also without their extenders. x.x I think i confused myself but i hope you understand what i mean.

I personally empowered powerhit, vitality, and devastate as you've mentioned.

But not Precise Attack. I've empowered Mock, and I use it ALL the time.

Dont' worry though, I know you said "most" :)

[ciahuicoatl]

And for the record..I have YET to purchase any SC extenders. In fact the only things I have bothered to get with SC is the perma Crit outfit- cuz its soooo matched my hair, a beauty Coupon, cuz red hair is HAWT, and Reds and Blues, cuz my big glowy axes are Hawt. Thanks! BTW- END Fighters dont suck...they just arent as kewl as my Fighter chica! lol - Zekhmet

[AriesMehjor]

Im sorry to but in but this whole str fighter vs end fighter thing is old.

But I'll applaud my STR fighters for trying to only mention STR fighters using +9 gear and assuming END fighters can't do the same.

Fact is, before you start even mentioning extenders +9 everything etc you gotta figure what they'd do without all the silicone implants.

Str fighter will allways be a step down as far as tanking goes compared to any END fighter hands down. Been doin it for over a year now, and the first thing you will allways hear out of a str fighters mouth is I dun wanna tank. Now, I hate to bash on my own build but, stop thinking you're god and running out to a mob with a two hand thinking you can save the world. Your cleric isnt gonna like it, your mage isnt gonna like it, and somehow everyone will complain that you shoulda used a shield if you die leading to the rest of the party dieing.

Its old, its arrogant pls stop.

Str fighters great, if you wanna spend the money. But all the money a str fighter can spend an end can spend just as fast. Ask Sheya sometime if he ever comes outta retirement.

Str fighter with full +9 gear, great you can finally deal dmg+tank bravo.
End fighter with full +9 gear, great you can finally deal more dmg+never die.

And as a str fighter, lets say I had CollinII in my party or somthin same lvl etc and the party asked who was gonna tank, guess who saves my butt from embarassment by mobacide.

And you cant say anything about pvp either, cause I've allready done full armor comparisons with END style tanks, and ultimately in pvp 1vs1 we die to each other depending on who lands the stuns and misses the least, crits etc.
Hit each other for about the same amount of dmg, accept vs mobs, and magic END tank ftw. But solo, and pvp vs squishy classes STR tank ftw.

You also forgot to mention that the ridiculous amount of hp END tanks have they rarely worry about magic.

Highest recorded crit on an orc at lvl 57=held by str build
Highest amount of mobs held by one tank=held by end build

Can't have your cake and eat it too kids :/ games not set up that way.

[Deux_Murakama]

Im sorry to but in but this whole str fighter vs end fighter thing is old.

But I'll applaud my STR fighters for trying to only mention STR fighters using +9 gear and assuming END fighters can't do the same.

Fact is, before you start even mentioning extenders +9 everything etc you gotta figure what they'd do without all the silicone implants.

Str fighter will allways be a step down as far as tanking goes compared to any END fighter hands down. Been doin it for over a year now, and the first thing you will allways hear out of a str fighters mouth is I dun wanna tank. Now, I hate to bash on my own build but, stop thinking you're god and running out to a mob with a two hand thinking you can save the world. Your cleric isnt gonna like it, your mage isnt gonna like it, and somehow everyone will complain that you shoulda used a shield if you die leading to the rest of the party dieing.

Its old, its arrogant pls stop.

Str fighters great, if you wanna spend the money. But all the money a str fighter can spend an end can spend just as fast. Ask Sheya sometime if he ever comes outta retirement.

Str fighter with full +9 gear, great you can finally deal dmg+tank bravo.
End fighter with full +9 gear, great you can finally deal more dmg+never die.

And as a str fighter, lets say I had CollinII in my party or somthin same lvl etc and the party asked who was gonna tank, guess who saves my butt from embarassment by mobacide.

And you cant say anything about pvp either, cause I've allready done full armor comparisons with END style tanks, and ultimately in pvp 1vs1 we die to each other depending on who lands the stuns and misses the least, crits etc.
Hit each other for about the same amount of dmg, accept vs mobs, and magic END tank ftw. But solo, and pvp vs squishy classes STR tank ftw.

You also forgot to mention that the ridiculous amount of hp END tanks have they rarely worry about magic.

Highest recorded crit on an orc at lvl 57=held by str build
Highest amount of mobs held by one tank=held by end build

Can't have your cake and eat it too kids :/ games not set up that way.

Switch to Apoline and marry me :D

[Madcharo]

Well, the second the Toughness skill starts working (I believe it's currently bugged so it gives no block rate % bonus) 1h and shield END tankers will come out on top in PvP and aoe tanking.

PvP - Pure Str DD Fighter will miss a lot depending on the build and a lot of attacks will be blocked anyway. This puts the 1handed sword and shield user at an advantage because you axe/2h users will be taking every hit that does not miss. This also goes for other classes (Excluding mages because I'm pretty sure magic damage cannot be blocked.)

Aoe - 1handed sword tankers will only get hit by about 1/4th of the attacks. Tanking 10 mobs, (Mocks maximum amount) that's only taking the damage of about 7 mobs throughout the aoe.(Taking misses into concideration.

Fighters who choose the path of a tank (One-Handed sword + Shield. END free stat, END gears and even +# gears) will always, I repeat, ALWAYS have the potential to have more HP, Defence and Block Rate %.

END of story. (Pun intended)

[FrostFruit]

I love full endurance fighters. It is much easier for them to tank. I can agree with others saying that full strength warriors can tank.

I have met both types of fighters who can tank and not tank, but I prefer full endurance fighters for tanking.

Fighters who work on damage will work on damage and empower skills that are meant for damage, while endurance fighters empower skills for tanking. It gives you a feeling of being safe when you have a monsterous HP fighter to defend you.

At the moment, at level 80+ I do not really see a role for fighters. They may have the defence and the right empowerments, but it seems that they are not really needed.

At the 80+ dungeon, my cleric buddy can cast his level 85 skill and it is much more stronger then mock[2]. Plus, it is more spammable. There is no need for a fighter...

Even while questing, fighters can help a bit. Though, the quests are easy and aim might be an issue for fighters.

In abyss, it's the same thing. The mobs are spread everywhere and they will start to run back to their spawn points when a fighter tries to gather mobs.




I do not see any reasons of where a fighter can put their abilities into work. I'm not saying pure end is bad, it is just that they are not really needed to do what they are suppose to do. Which is to tank.

[Miazma]

Jadestar, full END Paladin + Lord_of_War, full END Warrior = AWESOME DUO

Sure we might kill a little slower but we can last forever.

We dont have to run to town every few hours to restone.

We have so much HP we can chat and dance and fight all at once.

Jadestar, full END Paladin + Lord_of_War, full END Warrior = AWESOME PARTY PEOPLE

We can run into the biggest mob and gather them without excessive healing or near deaths.

Depending on which of us feels like it we can take and hold agro and keep our party members safe.

OH and the beauty of it we can ADD a full STR fighter, Mage and Archer to the party for faster kills.

No matter how I look at it we have the best of both worlds.

In other words just like the Duracell Bunny *We keep on keeping on*

FULL END FTW :D

[leobaloy]

Jadestar, full END Paladin + Lord_of_War, full END Warrior = AWESOME DUO

Sure we might kill a little slower but we can last forever.

We dont have to run to town every few hours to restone.

We have so much HP we can chat and dance and fight all at once.

Jadestar, full END Paladin + Lord_of_War, full END Warrior = AWESOME PARTY PEOPLE

We can run into the biggest mob and gather them without excessive healing or near deaths.

Depending on which of us feels like it we can take and hold agro and keep our party members safe.

OH and the beauty of it we can ADD a full STR fighter, Mage and Archer to the party for faster kills.

No matter how I look at it we have the best of both worlds.

In other words just like the Duracell Bunny *We keep on keeping on*

FULL END FTW :D

i thought it was enegizer >.o

[Miazma]

LMAO could be but its the Duracell Engergizer Battery :D :D

OI thats my story and Im sticking to it :D :D

BATTERY brand Energizer is battling it out in court over a comparative advertising campaign launched by rival company Gillette, which pits the Duracell brand against Energizer and shows battery-powered bunnies racing across a desert.

The ads, which have been removed from TV screens pending a court decision on the matter, show the Duracell bunny(powered by an alkaline battery) steaming ahead in the race stakes while the Energizer bunny lags behind.

[Deux_Murakama]

Well, the second the Toughness skill starts working (I believe it's currently bugged so it gives no block rate % bonus) 1h and shield END tankers will come out on top in PvP and aoe tanking.

PvP - Pure Str DD Fighter will miss a lot depending on the build and a lot of attacks will be blocked anyway. This puts the 1handed sword and shield user at an advantage because you axe/2h users will be taking every hit that does not miss. This also goes for other classes (Excluding mages because I'm pretty sure magic damage cannot be blocked.)

Aoe - 1handed sword tankers will only get hit by about 1/4th of the attacks. Tanking 10 mobs, (Mocks maximum amount) that's only taking the damage of about 7 mobs throughout the aoe.(Taking misses into concideration.

Fighters who choose the path of a tank (One-Handed sword + Shield. END free stat, END gears and even +# gears) will always, I repeat, ALWAYS have the potential to have more HP, Defence and Block Rate %.

END of story. (Pun intended)

In the path of PvP a end fighter is more suited against mages, although not able to block magic damage the shield does provide the extra magic defense that axe and two-hands do not. I recall countless times my shield saved my life in a fight with BK +9 mages.



I love full endurance fighters. It is much easier for them to tank. I can agree with others saying that full strength warriors can tank.

I have met both types of fighters who can tank and not tank, but I prefer full endurance fighters for tanking.

Fighters who work on damage will work on damage and empower skills that are meant for damage, while endurance fighters empower skills for tanking. It gives you a feeling of being safe when you have a monsterous HP fighter to defend you.

At the moment, at level 80+ I do not really see a role for fighters. They may have the defence and the right empowerments, but it seems that they are not really needed.

At the 80+ dungeon, my cleric buddy can cast his level 85 skill and it is much more stronger then mock[2]. Plus, it is more spammable. There is no need for a fighter...

Even while questing, fighters can help a bit. Though, the quests are easy and aim might be an issue for fighters.

In abyss, it's the same thing. The mobs are spread everywhere and they will start to run back to their spawn points when a fighter tries to gather mobs.




I do not see any reasons of where a fighter can put their abilities into work. I'm not saying pure end is bad, it is just that they are not really needed to do what they are suppose to do. Which is to tank.

Depends though. I've seen multiple clerics hit a brick wall while clanking, using the lvl 85 skill. Though it is more spammable (is that a word xD) there are the points where you are in the missle of a mob and your buffs run out, then what? I'm sure if you aren't a +9 cleric, while clanking in a dungeon and your buffs run our you aren indefinetly screwed. A clerics buffs provides 30% of their extra defense and 30% of the partys' power, first reaction a cleric would have is i need the rebuff my hp is dropping too fast and at doing that they put their party at risk. I would admit outside a dungeon a clank rocks but in dungeons fighters are more on their toes and ready for 80% of the things that come their way. Awaken is a clerics key to clanking..but.. its also a doomsday key too much aggro kills, you remember that from TR dontcha ;D

[Miazma]

Awaken is a clerics key to clanking..but.. its also a doomsday key too much aggro kills

*Awaken* is an awesome skill, it not only takes agro it heals all close party members. As a full END cleric I have been able to agro and hold huge mobs of Megatons while the party killed Jewel Trees. Then the husband would go to a clear spot and summon me and I would leave the mob behind.

However I am *old school* I dont beleive under most circumstances it is my job to tank. I chose to be a party cleric and I built my cleric for it, I empowered all heal skills etc in other words I am there to heal.