Fighter vs Tank

[Biwikins]

True.

Comments Welcome!

[PufftheMagicDragon]

False. :) nuff said

[MorpheusX]

Stop making useless poll.:mad:

[ganzorig1]

i think false but i don't know why :confused:

[PufftheMagicDragon]

With the end str fighers couldn't take down all their health so yeah...then the other guy would eventually die with ****ty defense

[PrincessSnake]

I agree with u :)

[KonataIzumi]

Take a hike! Tanks always win. :rolleyes:

[spajman22]

im a level 24 fighter although i have +21 str and +7 end..

end is handy but i wish i had put them all on str..

warrior's were made for power! not to see how many hits they can take before dying!

[Kholai]

Warriors were made for power? Are you one of those people who doesn't know what Sneering Kick is for? :confused:

Full Endurance fighter destroys full strength fighter at every turn, because mages and clerics love full endurance fighters who know how to tank. Why party with a low HP, high damage fighter when you could have a mage?

Fighters are the heroes guys. They're the ones who stand toe to toe with the dragon and survives everything it throws at them. They're the ones who leap in front of bullets meant for the mage, and the one who holds the forces of evil at bay because they're just that studly. Everyone supports the fighter, because the fighter keeps them safe, full strength isn't keeping anyone safe.

As for combat, sure, the full strength guy might do a lot of damage normally. Against a full endurance fighter who has a slightly higher defence than granite does? Not so much. And nail in the coffin? Stones restore a percentage of HP.

[cryragon]

As for combat, sure, the full strength guy might do a lot of damage normally. Against a full endurance fighter who has a slightly higher defence than granite does? Not so much. And nail in the coffin? Stones restore a percentage of HP.
Each free stat point goes to END, gives +0.5 DEF, +5 HP, and +0.1% (1-50) / +0.05% (51+) Block Rate.
If a fighter allocates 50 free stat points to END, he gets +25 DEF, +250 HP and +5% Block Rate. These numbers may look quite high at low levels, but slowly become negligible to high levels, except the block rate. That's why I don't think full END fighters as tough as you claimed them to be.

Going for full SPR is worth more later if you want to be an offensive axe-wielding fighter.
Each free stat point goes to SPR, gives +0.5 MDEF, +5 SP, and +0.2% (1-25) / +0.1% (26+) Critical Rate.
A critical hit is basically a twice more damage hit. As a nice bonus, if you do a skill critical hit, your skill additional damage also gets doubled too. By doing more constant critical hits, your overall damage output is increased.

Health stones don't work that way, instead you get a fixed recovery amount each uses. When you level up, the efficiency of those stones go up by a certain fixed amount, followed by the rise of their price.

[Kholai]

I agree with you partially Cryagon, that adding spirit is better than adding nothing but endurance, but the comparison is between pure strength and pure endurance. Hyperbole aside, full strength does not compare to full endurance.
The extra 75 damage for fifty points in the stat chips away at 250 points of HP. Perhaps neither is an appreciable amount, but as you say, a 1/20 chance of blocking (added to shield, if the tank fighter has any sense) which will completely annul all damage combined with a larger safety buffer (thank you for correcting me on health stones) put the advantage firmly in the hands of the tank in every situation.

Even comparing two partial spirit builds, I believe a tank's block chance will prevent a critical as assuredly as a normal strike, and with more hits per second they're about as likely if not more likely to score criticals as their strength toting counterpart.
In fact, this speed has a dual effect. Strength that the fighter gets automatically is counted on every hit, off-setting the higher damage of the axe somewhat.
Even on top of this, the added defence from a shield makes the tank fighter take even less damage. Their opponent is simply more likely to die from a lucky shot from the tank just because they have a lower health reserve.

[kobjing]

You forgot to mention that the axe fighter can't block, why? cos he got no shield.

Later in game shield def is approx = 1.5 * armor def.
Wit full END ur block abilty will freq occur, not to mention we fighter have BLOCK RATE skill which can block up to 75% hit.

Plus why would u go full SPR, when after 25 points u only gain 0.1%.

[MyYing]

Ok...I had to respond to this seeing that i am a pure str fighter ^^.

I beleive this poll is really a toss up but at the same time i personally know that if pk or arena duels were implemented that I'd kill alot of pure End fighters so i chose true for this poll. That 250 hp u speak of really isnt much ecspecially since u can obtain that from a peice of equipment.

Now im gonna compare myself to my buddy on fiesta u all know him as Blueberrypie (hiyas Blue ^^).

Ok he is all End and me and him often compare the differences between eachother i get hit for 40-60 more than him on mobs (depends which mob it is) but what he hits for 100 i hit for 175 (75 big diff but so is what i get hit for). If he drops a mobs def he hits them for about 50 more but then again so do I, so thats over 200 dmg ur getting pumled with. Also i dont use an axe..thats dumb. Why would i use one knowing im all str O.o .

I have the dmg of a 2h but i wear a one hand. dmg with ann axe on me is 700-800 I'm currently using all weapons and have mastered them all.

I will go on to say that i have the EXACT same def if not more than Blueberry but he gets hit for less. I learned that what u put into a stat gives u more than what the free stats give you.
Tho i firmly believe id kill most fighters i must say that it would probably go down to the wire...because dmg cuts thru def and low def will make an all End fighter hit me for more so really the honest truth that me and Blue concluded on is that it would really be a toss up the lack of dmg and def would become a balance and both would mostloikey hit for the same on eachother...unless u are all spr then you'll die by both end and str fighters ^.-b

[cryragon]

Free Stat Points

STR = +1.2dmg
END = +.1%block(1~50)/.05%block(51+), +.5def, +5hp.
DEX = +.2%evade(1~50)/.1%evade(51+), +.3%aim(1~33)/.2%aim(34~67)/.1%aim(68+)
INT = +1.2Mdmg
SPR = +.2%crit(1~25)/.1%crit(26+), +.5Mdef, +5sp


If the max level is 100, then this is how a PURE build would look like.


STR = +138dmg
END = +8.25%block, +57.5def, +575hp
DEX = +16.5%evade, +21.2%aim
INT = +138Mdmg
SPR = +14%crit, +57.5Mdef, +575sp
Looking at the numbers above, pure SPR fighters are very threatening with their skill criticals.

STR is more suited for low to mid levels, as you can see in this screenshot:

http://xs220.xs.to/xs220/07404/freestat.gif



There is NO DELAY between skills. Allowing skill spamming between the axe and the 1handed sword to come at the SAME speed. You'll attack at the same speed while dealing more damage with higher chance to crit.

1H Sword + Shield is mainly for PvE, while axe is more suited for PvP / Guild Wars. You don't need damage over time in PvP, but high damage burst in a short amount of time by skill spamming, or else you will just have a stone/pot spamming fight with fellow fighters.

[Keenan]

the whole point to fighters is to tank for da party!

[posthero01]

Its totaly true ax gives the most power 4 the fighters and "STUN ATACK"

[MyYing]

Wanna know the best part about being a fighter...its that you can tank and do massive dmg! I keep hearing tanks are needed when really all you need is a good cleric and you can tank anything lol my hp is the same as an all end and i kill way faster all a tank can do is ...tank as far as kills go if u get mobed bet ur sweet asss due to lack of dmg you're gonna die lolz...could be vice versa but i kill so fast that i break the mold ^.- b

[PufftheMagicDragon]

I prefer 1h sword over Axe because you can take damage and still do decent damage if you have the right skills

[Desert_Wolf]

I'm inbetween so it probaoly wouldn't matter either way...by the way how do you daul wield, dawg, but email with the answer 'cause I don't check da forums much...usually on Fiesta look for me in the forest of tides or elderine...
rgarnerjordan@yahoo.com
rgarnerscott@hotmail.com

[Revival]

Wanna know the best part about being a fighter...its that you can tank and do massive dmg! I keep hearing tanks are needed when really all you need is a good cleric and you can tank anything lol my hp is the same as an all end and i kill way faster all a tank can do is ...tank as far as kills go if u get mobed bet ur sweet asss due to lack of dmg you're gonna die lolz...could be vice versa but i kill so fast that i break the mold ^.- b

Lol myying you cant tank robo KQ.. everytime u mock u die, and you mock and u die and u mock again and u die again, thats what happened to u and the main difference about pure str/end.. the pure end can take over 10 mobs around his level.. while u mock, and die....

[MyYing]

Lol myying you cant tank robo KQ.. everytime u mock u die, and you mock and u die and u mock again and u die again, thats what happened to u and the main difference about pure str/end.. the pure end can take over 10 mobs around his level.. while u mock, and die....

LoL i guess first off robo kq is very laggy for me secondly ive tanked it with no probs COUNTLESS times lol. Really all depends on the cleric like I said b4 if you could read (but that would be asking to much). I also mentioned it could be vice vesra (again if you could read). B4 my cleric quit Fiesta I tanked with no probs lol never died, not all clerics are good (tho i respect all lol...seriously where would we be w/o them ) but Ill jus throw some names out there of clerics Ive tanked the kq with and have never died not once Aj_Hikara El_George, Dru(my cleric that i miss =/ ), Connemara, Putant a godly lvl 33 lol wont name all cuzz im feeling lazy but those are jus a few and btw an all end tank can get killed with 10 mobs on him jus as quikly as I can if the healer doesnt HEAL *smartguy* . I've seen it happen b4 so think B4 you speak ^.-b (btw Im allways in kq A tell me why it loses when Im not).

[Xevran]

Fighters are the heroes guys. They're the ones who stand toe to toe with the dragon and survives everything it throws at them. They're the ones who leap in front of bullets meant for the mage, and the one who holds the forces of evil at bay because they're just that studly. Everyone supports the fighter, because the fighter keeps them safe, full strength isn't keeping anyone safe.I picture fighters as the one who uses huge weapons and does massive melee damage and wears heavy armor, I would picture a paladin as something that uses a sword/mace/axe+shield though.

[MyYing]

yay fighters makin a comback 6 votes away hellz yea!!! ^^ b

and i agree with the post above. i say we need more jobs for warriors like at lvl 40 there should be 2 roads for us to take fighter or tank and in turn we get diff armor to tell us apart.

p.s. my pixel char aint takin no bullets for no1 lol no cuz im all str but i jus dont wanna be shot >.>

[halfD3MON]

Stop making useless poll.:mad:


I agree with you here... Each character type has it's ups and downs... Play with who you like and quit the bull...

[Anjoo]

MyYing, not all fighters have the same EQ as you. From what I've collected about you, you're very arrogant. You display your EQ in your shops for large amounts of money purely to show them off. So just keep in mind that the other full str fighters don't have all the stat boosting armor/weapons you have.


But to stay on topic.. IMO one isn't better than the other. What would all you full str fighters attack without the full end tanks there to take the damage? Yes it's true you can tank mobs when you have to, and with a smart cleric around to help, but can you tank them all the time, at any time? Chances are no.

Personally I'd like to see how a full str 1h sword/shield fighter would do.

[op1234]

ok heres my 2 cents word about this

this happen during a mara KQ when the whole team reach the part where u have to kill the first 2 fake boss( dont ask me which boss cause i have bad spelling)

a str fighter started saying he would tank the boss so they whole team agree and the clerics would be spaming heal on him. when he started to attack the boss, both boss started running at him and within secs he was dead

a end fighter quick step up and started tanking both bosses at one go(could see his a full end fighter cause only they would have 1100+hp (must have 2 +7 end rings thats what i think))

so what im saying is yes while a str fighter maybe dealing out great damage would they be able to tank the damage of the monsters?? also remember that at higher lvls fighter would have lots of aoe skills and would a str fighter be able to take the damage of so many monsters at one go??( without a shield for those 2 hand) u could say u can have good eqs and a good cleric to heal but would the cleric be able to heal fast enough?? not forgeting that your team mates might need heal to right??

pls do not flame me on this as they are just somethings i want to share out... save the flame for the BBQ pits

[MisterNiceGuy]

all u guys are wrong!!! GO FULL INT FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!

[lear21]

i think ether way u go is your own . but tank would own a fighter any day of the week.

[Tasuke]

Pure STR fighters are good at one on ones, but bad against multiple enemies.
Pure END fighters are good at multiple enemies, but bad against 1 on 1.

Either way, both builds have their ups and downs.

In a one on one situation, the pure STR fighter obiviously has the upper hand since he's doing 2 times as much damage as the pure END fighter.

[Revival]

A pure str fighter does not do 2 times dmg, personally when I joined in the event where we got teleported to the future pvp event arena, I pvped another fighter 4 levels my superior, no names given, we're both in our 50s, and I won once being able to stun early, the subsequent one he/she won coz I got stunned and it just went on. But without stuns, I personally calculated the non full end fighter would probably last like, 5 hits from me? which is isnt too far away considering we have 6 dmg dealing skills to spam.
But anyhows, Myying I do read, but not much interest me when its a post from a person with that much ego. Anyways whatever I stated earlier, was not from me alone, but its also from level 59s, (well not many are 59 now, so try guessing), who joined robo w you on their 2nd char. Oh and of course, they don't lose KQ just coz you aint there, its cause most fighters that can actually tank properly, have past that level. I'm no noob as you can see, but neither am I sayin that im pro or wadsoeva, but I'm the first few fighters to actually hit lv 50 in the server, I know wads possible and wad not, and a pure str fighter mocking w his 2 hander trying to tank robo KQ.. wells maybe the first couple of waves, but as it goes on u'll probably be crying out for rezzers more than your mocking... I mean, so long you can survive 1 hit from every mob you have aggro on at the same time, with a couple of clerics, wth, who can't survive? But at the end of the day, even if you don't die, the KQ isn't won just because of you. Everyone is important in a KQ, and everyone plays a big part in completing it, don't just claim credit for yourself, you ain't that great dude. And oh on the sidenote, If you are trying to show off who are the clerics that you play with, I do not know any of those clerics you named, I'm sure they are good players, you know, having to keep you alive and build your ego. But hey you don't see me going around giving names about the level 59s I party with, its just really pointless. You do not have to give names you know, if your a good player (wells or the other extreme, or being notorious for stuff like being boastful), you will automatically be well known...
Anyways my post isn't against str build fighters, whichever build you may be has its own pros and cons, to each his own i guess. What I am talking about here is people crying out how with a strength build, he can tank even better than an end build fighter, which is something I feel need to addressed so that newer players won't be misled into making a build which won't turn out to be what they expect coz of what people say here.

[Talkius]

I am attempting a 2:1 build Str:End, I will see how it goes in the long run, but I am still low level so who knows....

[op1234]

2:1 str:end build is good from what i think as u get the damage and a nice amount of hp good luck with your char

[MyYing]

MyYing, not all fighters have the same EQ as you. From what I've collected about you, you're very arrogant. You display your EQ in your shops for large amounts of money purely to show them off. So just keep in mind that the other full str fighters don't have all the stat boosting armor/weapons you have.


But to stay on topic.. IMO one isn't better than the other. What would all you full str fighters attack without the full end tanks there to take the damage? Yes it's true you can tank mobs when you have to, and with a smart cleric around to help, but can you tank them all the time, at any time? Chances are no.

Personally I'd like to see how a full str 1h sword/shield fighter would do.

Arrogant...hmm. Maybe just a little lol but shouldnt everyone have some sort of arrogance it helps in the long run. As for the showing off of my gear yes I've been known to display my goods here and there only cuz im bored or afk other than that if you actually knew me in the game you'd see im far from what you may thinik you know of me ^^ . Btw jus to let you know I am a 1h pure str fighter (so you have'nt collected much...go figure) Only reason you see me with a 2h sword is because I sold my 1h thinking that this guy would come through on my GGK 1h but all did pan out well so right now a 2h is my only option and no I dont wear regular gear...Niether does my all End fighter.


A pure str fighter does not do 2 times dmg, personally when I joined in the event where we got teleported to the future pvp event arena, I pvped another fighter 4 levels my superior, no names given, we're both in our 50s, and I won once being able to stun early, the subsequent one he/she won coz I got stunned and it just went on. But without stuns, I personally calculated the non full end fighter would probably last like, 5 hits from me? which is isnt too far away considering we have 6 dmg dealing skills to spam.
But anyhows, Myying I do read, but not much interest me when its a post from a person with that much ego. Anyways whatever I stated earlier, was not from me alone, but its also from level 59s, (well not many are 59 now, so try guessing), who joined robo w you on their 2nd char. Oh and of course, they don't lose KQ just coz you aint there, its cause most fighters that can actually tank properly, have past that level. I'm no noob as you can see, but neither am I sayin that im pro or wadsoeva, but I'm the first few fighters to actually hit lv 50 in the server, I know wads possible and wad not, and a pure str fighter mocking w his 2 hander trying to tank robo KQ.. wells maybe the first couple of waves, but as it goes on u'll probably be crying out for rezzers more than your mocking... I mean, so long you can survive 1 hit from every mob you have aggro on at the same time, with a couple of clerics, wth, who can't survive? But at the end of the day, even if you don't die, the KQ isn't won just because of you. Everyone is important in a KQ, and everyone plays a big part in completing it, don't just claim credit for yourself, you ain't that great dude. And oh on the sidenote, If you are trying to show off who are the clerics that you play with, I do not know any of those clerics you named, I'm sure they are good players, you know, having to keep you alive and build your ego. But hey you don't see me going around giving names about the level 59s I party with, its just really pointless. You do not have to give names you know, if your a good player (wells or the other extreme, or being notorious for stuff like being boastful), you will automatically be well known...
Anyways my post isn't against str build fighters, whichever build you may be has its own pros and cons, to each his own i guess. What I am talking about here is people crying out how with a strength build, he can tank even better than an end build fighter, which is something I feel need to addressed so that newer players won't be misled into making a build which won't turn out to be what they expect coz of what people say here.

Theres' a very large gap between "reading" and "comprehending"
Wow it took you getting to the last paragraph in your little essay to finally see what ive said in both of my posting before this...either you're slow or well I'll just stop here. As for winning the KQ alone I for one KNOW that its a team effort despite my comment. If I didnt think it were a team effort I wouldnt have taking the time to write a walkthrought for it sometime ago. Hmm..now this is for the "lvl 59's think so to" comment. If you and all your "buds" just sit up and talk about me all day you must see me as a threat or maybe you're plain bored eithe way I find that weird and somewhat creepy....
Also you state that youre not bashing on pure str fighters when in fact you were and are now jus cleaning it up but then again maybe the same cold be said about me.
Also I must say that I wouldnt be defending STR fighters if werent for the simple fact that everytime you post you make it seem as though all END fighters are getting hit for a mere 2 everytime. Either way like I said before an all STR & END will die if heals arent coming and no its not hard to keep me alive. To be honest I've been pt'd with jus one cleric before and have done jus fine (no deaths). As for me saying the names of clerics why is that a problem...I mean if they didi good they did good. I always show gratitude to clerics in every KQ I've been in unless of course they jus didnt deserve it period. As for me needing to say their name to boost my ego...erm no I'm a good player and I know it lol(thats my having high selfesteem) but im sure you only see arrogance. Now from a solo stand point I for one love str in a mob and I do HAVE AN ALL END FIGHTER I just dont like the damage on him so yea I'd rather take mobs out quik in exchange for getting hit harder.Btw when did I say I hit for 2x more..ftw O.o
But really it all come down to what I've said before its all preference man....

Different Stroke For Different Folks...Some Like Pepsi Some Like Coke ^.- b

[Revival]

ahh no its only when you boasted how you could tank in robo w full str build, i told them someone said that in the forums and they asked who so yeah u know... im sorry ur not noticed coz ur good, but the direct opposite. well it all comes to pvp anyways, so yeah, we'll see when we have a guild war.. have fun

[MyYing]

Lol I guess, I dont really discuss forum talk in the game =) . By the way im not in a guild so you'll have to wait a little bit longer for me to start passing out free a$$ whoopins(waiting for pvp and duel to be implemented if it will be at all -.-). As far as being noticed...hmm I could actually do w/o being "noticed" at all lol and you also have to remember that that's your opinion on how to view me lol. But hey its game so nothing is taken seriously with me. I have a handful of online friends (literally) and would actually like to keep it that way ^.- b

[silvermaster]

I would have to say false although i usually would do this. if i had 20 skill points i would


strength:13
endurance:7


i try to divide them close to evenly yet put 1-3 more points on damage.

[JeanBelmont]

STR fighter is noob >.< tell me how you can kill something you cant touch?
str+axe = miss
look for me JeanetBelmont Ill be glad to have PvP against str Fighters to´prove my words ( im not full end ) full end only gives HP and block usless in pvp or against magic atacks ¬¬ but in this case I agree whit my lovey healmonkey end win against str
<3 ya much girl

[MyYing]

STR fighter is noob >.< tell me how you can kill something you cant touch?
str+axe = miss
look for me JeanetBelmont Ill be glad to have PvP against str Fighters to´prove my words ( im not full end ) full end only gives HP and block usless in pvp or against magic atacks ¬¬ but in this case I agree whit my lovey healmonkey end win against str
<3 ya much girl

Lol Jeanet I'll take ***** from Rev but from you...L-O-fckin-L you suck...literally. Blueberry had you running to MT in the last GW and killed you so pls your comment isnt even needed and again L-O-fckin-L (btw you're like what pure dex...yeaaaaa). I mean damn...atleast I know the flaws in my build but yours has MAJOR flaws...I'll just stop now Lol.

[Zorengeto]

A Fighter can not win with pure stength.... no one can if there oponnent has any skill or smarts.

[roknrolr]

why? if you dont like them, dont read them lol

[DemonEyeKyo]

no need for fighter full strengh... fighter meant to be tank... pure end 1 hand fighter rule... everyparty need that... no need for strengh fighter... mage n archer dmg dealer healer heal n fighter meant to take dmg n be tank... thats it :P

[MyYing]

no need for fighter full strengh... fighter meant to be tank... pure end 1 hand fighter rule... everyparty need that... no need for strengh fighter... mage n archer dmg dealer healer heal n fighter meant to take dmg n be tank... thats it :P

Who made the rule that a fighter is just meant to be a tank O.o it depends on what you want you fighter (or any char you play) to do. Seriously chill out with the what player are "supposed" to do antics. Btw you also said that clerics are meant to just heal...so are you also saying that they shouldnt be able to solo mobs and if so why shouldnt they be able to O.o. And mages and archers only dealing dmg ftw...I've seen some awesome mages and archers that can actually tank lolz. So maybe you should silence your one tracked minds' beliefs and let everyone play their own way...and yes I still think the topic's statement is true but hey we all have our OWN OPINIONS. Ecspecially in a PvP battle...though I must say I'd use my 1hander personally ^.- b

[Hydr0]

Who made the rule that a fighter is just meant to be a tank O.o it depends on what you want you fighter (or any char you play) to do. Seriously chill out with the what player are "supposed" to do antics. Btw you also said that clerics are meant to just heal...so are you also saying that they shouldnt be able to solo mobs and if so why shouldnt they be able to O.o. And mages and archers only dealing dmg ftw...I've seen some awesome mages and archers that can actually tank lolz. So maybe you should silence your one tracked minds' beliefs and let everyone play their own way...and yes I still think the statement is true but hey we all have out OWN OPINIONS. Ecspecially in a PvP battle...though i must say i'd use my 1hander personally ^.- b

the one who made the rule that cleric meant to be healer.
true story :|

[Trebori]

When forming groups I personally look for endurance tanks.

Pure strength fighters are basically Archers without the ranged attacks. aka Paper Tanks

At higher levels you will see that hp/def Fighters > Str fighters.
Str fighters have alot of flashy numbers flying on the screen, but are inefficient at tanking boss mobs.

( just my opinion)

[MyYing]

When forming groups I personally look for endurance tanks.

Pure strength fighters are basically Archers without the ranged attacks. aka Paper Tanks

At higher levels you will see that hp/def Fighters > Str fighters.
Str fighters have alot of flashy numbers flying on the screen, but are inefficient at tanking boss mobs.

( just my opinion)

I respect YOUR opinion but did you have to call us "paper tanks" =/

[elfreakyfrog]

lol there is no versus involved...whether u're a damage dealer or a tank we all have our roles in a party. I built my ch to take on the role of either tank or damage dealer, building both str and end with the majority on str. its simple to go from damage dealer with a 2hand axe to a tank simply by equipping a shield and 1hander. I also have alternate rings that boost end as well... so have fun debating its all bout preference...

[Stenbumling]

Always thought the warrior to be a tank, I suppose 1 "str fighter" couldn't hurt.. as long as he knew what he was doing.

[unknownz]

no need for fighter full strengh... fighter meant to be tank... pure end 1 hand fighter rule... everyparty need that... no need for strengh fighter... mage n archer dmg dealer healer heal n fighter meant to take dmg n be tank... thats it :P

Well, here's my opinion on end fighters and str fighters.
END fighters have a LOT of hp and defence, but have basically no attack power. Those people who say full END tanks should go 1h+shield, you're 100%... wrong. Because a full END fighter with a 1h sword has a VERY weak attack. How do I know? I'm a full END fighter. I used a one handler till level 3x. I changed to a ZK 2h sword, and I swear, its a lot better. Without shields, a full END fighter takes around 15-20 more damage. What is 20-25 more damage to your +100-200 hp? Also, a 2h sword hits only 0.2 seconds slower than a 1h. Which means, when a one hand can get in 2 hits, a two hand can get in one and a half.
A one hand damage is 30-40 weaker than a 2h. So lets say, a one hand hits four times for 35+4=140 damage, which a 2 hand hits 3 times for 65+3=195 damage. See the difference?
Sure, with a shield, END helps with your block rate. But, how much can you block? I'd say once, or twice in each fight.
Lets say a 1h END fighter and a 2h END fighter fights a bat. The bat has, lets say, 1000hp.
The 1h END fighter hits the bat for 60damage, and takes 1.1secx16hits=17secs to kill bat.
The 2h END fighter hits the bat for 100damage, and takes 1.3x10hits=13secs to kill the bat.
Now, lets say the bat hits once for 2 second.
The bat does 30 damage to the 1h fighter. 30x(17/2)=255damage.
The bat does 45 damage to the 2h fighter. 45x(13/2)=292damage.
Yep, you take more damage with a 2h. But, you can use your skills AT THE SAME SPEED as a 1h with a 2h. Which will get you more damage in, resulting in a quicker kill. Also, 2h green swords almost always have +13 or more END. Which gives you 65+ more hp. Add that to your +200hp, the 292-255=37 damage is insignificant. Also, the defence given by the END is also counted. You also take less time to kill one monster. Time is money. Some may argue that green 1h swords gives +END too. However, you have to agree that ZK 1h are much harder to find than ZK 2h.
A shield should only be used when tanking bosses, like KQ bosses, because it reduces damage by a lot. However, a full END fighter should never use a shield when solo-ing. Its not good. At all.

And here's my opinion on END fighters, feel free to criticise any mistakes you pick up here.

About STR fighters, they have loads of attack power, but have a lot less hp compared to END fighters. I recommend that STR fighters go for 1h+shield. Why? To give you more defence, so you won't lose out to the END fighters. A full STR fighter using a 1h has the same attack power as a 2h END fighter. Also, the faster speed of 1h sword is heavy on the mind. Since I'm not a STR fighter, I cannot give a full opinion on them. Ask a STR fighter. MyYing is one.

And here's my opinion on STR fighters, feel free to criticise any mistakes you pick up here.


STR fighter is noob >.< tell me how you can kill something you cant touch?
str+axe = miss

Thats what aim scrolls are for. If T1 doesn't work, T2 does.

As for STR fighter vs END fighters... Looking at my post, I'll assume that the END fighter is using a 2h, and the STR a 1h.
Lets say they are at lvl 40. The full STR fighter has the same damage as the END fighter. The END fighter has 200 more hp than the STR fighter. The END fighter hits slower with his 2h, but deals more damage with skills. The STR fighter hits faster, but deals less damage with skills. Both of them deals the same damage to each other in normal hits, as the END fighter has his defence, and the STR has his shield. However, the END fighter has 200 more hp. Then again, the STR fighter hits faster.
So, in my eyes, if these two fights, its a draw, more or less.

Blueberrypie-

[MyYing]

Hiyas Blue =p . I'm back forum hoping till i get past that firewall again and btw I think your post was right on the money ^.- b .

[lilskaterdud3]

Axe gives too much of a range of daamage. ^^ You could hit for a lot of damage and the next hit for barely more than a 1h. Basically, END fighters are the people who are needed in a party, and STR fighters are back up or not needed. I would rather have 2 mages, a cleric, and me in a party instead of having a STR fighter.

[MyYing]

Axe gives too much of a range of daamage. ^^ You could hit for a lot of damage and the next hit for barely more than a 1h. Basically, END fighters are the people who are needed in a party, and STR fighters are back up or not needed. I would rather have 2 mages, a cleric, and me in a party instead of having a STR fighter.

1. You're not really on topic O.o
2.You're not needed to tank...as clerics lvl 40 and above do a better job at it
3.Go to Uruga sometimes and see how many clerics pt mages over fighters(wait they even do that in MT)
4.You actually need a pt to lvl due to lack dmg(unless u have a good 2h)...I dont...

[-Leona-]

Okay i've read this topic and i have to admit i'm annoyed as hell U PEOPLE WHO SAY FULL END FIGHTERS WITH SHIELD PROBABLY DON"T EVEN PLAY FIGHTER, u probably play as clerics mages or archers and start giving out lessons about fighters, SINCE WHEN THE HECK did the fighters turn in support units, cuz u r all saying the only purpose of the fighter is to tank damage, if that were his only purpose then HELL his class should be called MEAT SHIELD not fighter, a fighter SHOULD tank OF COURSE but he shouldn't be left a weakling (when it comes to damage), besides what if u wanna go out by yourself for a change WHAT will a full end fighter do, fight a monster and wait the monster to die of old age ---i'm a fighter all the way cuz i don't like indirect fighting from the rear ranks--- so i'll always take a big sword or axe and charge my enemy any day over a bow or spellbook, so i think that the people who say FIGHTERS should only tank think of their own characters which are most likely MAGES, or Archers (clerics can tank for themselves while also healing). I don't know how many full end fighters with shield have fun playing without a party since it will take quite a while to defeat monsters.

Personally i always carry with me both a 2h AXE and a 1h sword and shield (so when my party needs it i can tank, but I LIKE playing offensive), BUT i totally hate the idea of a FIGHTER just tank that can't beat nothing by himself being a meat shield .


Hey MyYing where in the world have u seen an axe to hit for only as much as a 1h sword IT"S minimum damage is almost higher than the max of the 2h sword u must be thinking of some other game.

[unknownz]

(unless u have a good 2h)...I dont...
You're forgetting my +5 zewi~~

And Leona just spoke the words of the fighter saint. xD

[Kirbycode]

To -Leona-: The purpose of a fighter, against bosses, is to tank them. If they don't have enough HP to survive the boss's most powerful attack, then the quest is an automatic failure. Every warrior other than the main tank is also practically worthless if they cannot survive the boss's AOE. As a Lvl21 hybrid Fighter relying a bit more on strength, I can give several examples of this from the Mara Pirates Kingdom Quest.

Do I like knowing that? Heck no. I just want to bash the boss's head in. But if the boss has the ability to one-hit me, then my strength is wasted. Oh, and the Fighter really is left to be a weakling. Go look at the damage of other class's skills in shops; it's insulting. (Of course, I have yet to be another class, so I could be misjudging them)

[Andromeda]

1. You're not really on topic O.o
2.You're not needed to tank...as clerics lvl 40 and above do a better job at it
3.Go to Uruga sometimes and see how many clerics pt mages over fighters(wait they even do that in MT)
4.You actually need a pt to lvl due to lack dmg(unless u have a good 2h)...I dont...

Well I hate to say this but I disagree with number 2.

For example you fight 2 Trumpys and the cleric tries to take them both on. A party member attacks one of the Trumpys. Trumpy loses agro on you and attacks them while the other trumpy is attacking you. Where does that leave your party member?

Dead Dead Dead

Pure End Fighters are better tankers period I've trained both a fighter and more cleric though to know this better than most people here. Lets see if you have a cleric already in your party and there is one slot left and you have another high level cleric and a Pure End Fighter wanting to join its pretty obvious which the party would perfer.

Its clear you have good knowledge about the game but when it comes to clerics it proves otherwise. I'd rather party a fighter that can taunt enemies to keep other party members safe like the archers and mages. Than to party a cleric which cant taunt enemies at all.

Not to mention with a Pure End fighter you can AOE grind and gain exp very very quickly which you cant do with a cleric.

[BenHarris]

I vote for Tank win agents fighter cause tank have big guns and fighter has fist so guns win blow head of so I'm with tank yay!!!! i with tank so you guys lose so ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol that was randomness so tanks win ya so see ya later fans of tank's yaaaa man hope i chord stay but i have to go and see if my friend has downloaded that game yet and if he has fingered how to give me a trial yet but i now how its like im at school agen so im lick a teacher teaching this one guy how to make him trade games as well so see ya guys next time we meet kk :cool:

[-Leona-]

to KirbyCode

so your saying that if i party a mage my only purpose is to keep the MAGE or Archer alive ha, well as i've already said it I always have a shield with me and i will go in the front lines and take the damage for the weakling character but i won't be their meat shield, i will guard my party and even die for my party in for the sake of the TEAM if it will ensure succes (i've done it many times -i sacrificed my character for the sake of the team to survive) but the idea of the fighter of being a meat shield that can't kill on its own is just plain wrong. AND no the purpose of the fighter is not to be a meat shield- his purpose is to be a strong MELEE fighter that is durable and that also lands heavy blows. My fighter is level 29 (15str and 19end) that uses an Axe, and probably u know the Skeleton knight (a tough level 30 boss) i managed to tank for my party when i fought him and only died in the end when my stupid pc lagged and i couldn't use a potion.( i was level 28 when i fought him)

AND u didn't get my point- my point is that a MELEE fighter can be a good tank while also being able to damage- the idea i totally refuse to accept that in this game the fighter to be treated as a support WHICH MOST OF U PEOPLE WHO DON"T PLAY AS FIGHTERS SEE US- JUST a bunch of meat shields to keep your sorry weakling backs alive. LOL :p

BUT u see unlike other classes fighter can take on bosses by themselves if they are also heavy hitters.



NOTE: the stats are a bit messed up in my opinion (y here are the reasons)

Endurance should give health ok but so should strength Y well where have u seen a strong HUGE MAN that can break rocks with his empty hand be easier to be taken down easier than a guy who can't even lift a chair due to lack of str.
Strength in his Meaning should mean BOTH high health and high damage :). Also Dex should take the End other half -a very agile character should easily dodge, block and defend better- my point in this is that Endurance is a stat that shouldn't be there, cuz it is pointless (but I know it was made in order to hardens the decisions u have to make each level more like for balance purposes so it's alright i guess).


ONE question Ben u say tanks have big guns where are they cuz u FULLY tanked fighter can barely cause any damage so No Tanks Don't win as far as PvP.

[BenHarris]

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[Andromeda]

to KirbyCode

so your saying that if i party with u my only purpose is to keep your MAGE or Archer alive ha, well as i've already said it I always have a shield with me and i will go in the front lines and take the damage for your weakling character but i won't be your meat shield, i will guard my party and even die for my party in for the sake of the TEAM if it will ensure succes (i've done it many times -i sacrificed my character for the sake of the team to survive) but the idea of the fighter of being a meat shield that can't kill on its own is just plain wrong. AND no the purpose of the fighter is not to be a meat shield- his purpose is to be a strong MELEE fighter that is durable and that also lands heavy blows.

AND u didn't get my point- my point is that a MELEE fighter can be a good tank while also being able to damage- the idea i totally refuse to accept that in this game the fighter to be treated as a support WHICH MOST OF U PEOPLE WHO DON"T PLAY AS FIGHTERS SEE US- JUST a bunch of meat shields to keep your sorry weakling butt alive.

BUT u see unlike other classe fighter can take on bosses by themselves if they are also heavy hitters.

Now this is just turning into an arguement about playing styles. Both of you have valid arguements but -Leona- in a KQ if there are a few fighters in a KQ the group usually tends to let the Highest End/Level fighter meatshield the boss. This is where the Mages and Archers come into play. The weaker fighters usually go behind the boss and attack it from behind but in a Mini Dragon KQ it works differently. You have the main tank to take all of the Dragons attacks while you have all of the fighters take care of the mobs surronding Mini Dragon and you let the archers and Mages attack the Mini Dragon. Since they have higher DPs than fighters do.

If we went with your method there would be a chance the tank would die but you only need a fighter to meatshield the boss so naturally you go with the Highest Level/End fighter in the group. The other fighters arent useless at all they can still attack the boss but you have better chance of clearing the KQ if you have a tank with higher Def and HP to take the bossess attacks instead of one with lower HP and Def but higher STR

[-Leona-]

I won't argue with what u said Andromeda cuz u are pretty much right ( although i can't say for sure cuz i never managed to get into a kingdom quest :( ):), but u can't possibly say that a heavy hitter is worthless like he/she said it lol :p

[Andromeda]

I won't argue with what u said Andromeda cuz u are pretty much right ( although i can't say for sure cuz i never managed to get into a kingdom quest :( ):), but u can't possibly say that a heavy hitter is worthless like he/she said it lol :p

If you still have doubts about what I said try a Mini Dragon KQ when you can. You are completey screwed without a Pure End Fighter tanking the boss. A regular fighter will be KOed in one hit.

The tanker needs to have around 3000HP just to survive his attacks which a regular fighter cant provide over a End fighter.

Pure End fighters arent useless at all infact Ill take them over STR fighters providing there are Archers and Mages in the party. Then you can lure more mobs at once which a STR fighter can't do.

[hyhk88]

Lolz...im new and i could said tat 1 build tat will end the conflict of this pure damage or tanking...it would be a hybrid build :) as you can see, whenever a person put a pure damage build, he has not enough life, and when a person makes a tanking build, the damage is low...so might as well go for a hybrid build where the fighter has a decent damage and decent amount of hp too :p

[Andromeda]

Lolz...im new and i could said tat 1 build tat will end the conflict of this pure damage or tanking...it would be a hybrid build :) as you can see, whenever a person put a pure damage build, he has not enough life, and when a person makes a tanking build, the damage is low...so might as well go for a hybrid build where the fighter has a decent damage and decent amount of hp too :p

Depending on your situation even a hybrid Fighter can be useless in KQs For example Mini Dragon KQ

Ill put this quite simple the less end your fighter has the less mobs you can pull at once. If you are playing in a party with 1 End Fighter, 1 Archer, 1 Mage, 2 clerics you can pull up to 12 enemies at once. My parties record is 12 which we did in Uruga well we didnt have an archer instead we had another fighter and his stats werent properly built but if you want to grind like a mad man. Have 1 Full End Fighter, 2 mages and 2 clerics.

[MyYing]

Lolz...im new and i could said tat 1 build tat will end the conflict of this pure damage or tanking...it would be a hybrid build :) as you can see, whenever a person put a pure damage build, he has not enough life, and when a person makes a tanking build, the damage is low...so might as well go for a hybrid build where the fighter has a decent damage and decent amount of hp too :p

Nah there aint no conflict between the two lolz. Im jus here in fighters defense but i guess to end this debate I'll say that I'm built for solo'ing and Pk...I LOVE pk but apparently this game has neither ='( . I party jus fine and with heals even better. For boss fights of course or "certain" pt's I'd say an all END is the better option.

Granted there are times that I wish I had more def (my hp's the same as an all End with equips and shiz). But with my all End I often wish I had more Str. Even with a 2hander my all End doesnt hit like my Str fighter.

All in All there are draw backs to both...an all End fighter is EXTREMELY pt dependant. While an all Str fighter can solo and lvl hella hella fast you WILL get hit for more and eat pots like its a new trend. Also both depend solely on their equips...

If You are all End or Str and your equips suck so will you...with that I say It's a tie plain and simple...I dont know if this topic is so much as true tho. If you realy wanna test out this topic I dont mind helping lol. Just invite me to a guild and war another guild. I'll use an axe on a all End fighter of the same lvl or higher so we can finally put this thread to rest.

[MyYing]

If you still have doubts about what I said try a Mini Dragon KQ when you can. You are completey screwed without a Pure End Fighter tanking the boss. A regular fighter will be KOed in one hit.

The tanker needs to have around 3000HP just to survive his attacks which a regular fighter cant provide over a End fighter.

Pure End fighters arent useless at all infact Ill take them over STR fighters providing there are Archers and Mages in the party. Then you can lure more mobs at once which a STR fighter can't do.

btw I've been in that kq though we were all noobs my clerics kept me living and also you NEED dmg fighters and tanks to win that kq O.o with 2 fighters and me tankin we made it as far as the second floor halfway. Now I wont say that fighters are Superior but if I had to choose I'd take one Tank,4 fighters (for dmg and life) , 2 Clerics,3 mages(they die to fast when they aoe) and thats not talkin down on mages or 2 mages and 1 archer. If you dont have enough fighters u will lose because that main tank WILL die evetually lol believe me. Yes you may hold the mob but to say Str fighters arent needed is a lil dumb...because you dont add to the dmg ratio at all...

[MyYing]

Okay i've read this topic and i have to admit i'm annoyed as hell U PEOPLE WHO SAY FULL END FIGHTERS WITH SHIELD PROBABLY DON"T EVEN PLAY FIGHTER, u probably play as clerics mages or archers and start giving out lessons about fighters, SINCE WHEN THE HECK did the fighters turn in support units, cuz u r all saying the only purpose of the fighter is to tank damage, if that were his only purpose then HELL his class should be called MEAT SHIELD not fighter, a fighter SHOULD tank OF COURSE but he shouldn't be left a weakling (when it comes to damage), besides what if u wanna go out by yourself for a change WHAT will a full end fighter do, fight a monster and wait the monster to die of old age ---i'm a fighter all the way cuz i don't like indirect fighting from the rear ranks--- so i'll always take a big sword or axe and charge my enemy any day over a bow or spellbook, so i think that the people who say FIGHTERS should only tank think of their own characters which are most likely MAGES, or Archers (clerics can tank for themselves while also healing). I don't know how many full end fighters with shield have fun playing without a party since it will take quite a while to defeat monsters.

Personally i always carry with me both a 2h AXE and a 1h sword and shield (so when my party needs it i can tank, but I LIKE playing offensive), BUT i totally hate the idea of a FIGHTER just tank that can't beat nothing by himself being a meat shield .


Hey MyYing where in the world have u seen an axe to hit for only as much as a 1h sword IT"S minimum damage is almost higher than the max of the 2h sword u must be thinking of some other game.

damn nice u said it in a nutshell. also i didnt say a axe hits for the same as a 1h...thats crazy lol i have a +4 axe and a +5 2h both lvl 40 and my axe straight PWNZ my 2h in dmg im almost scared to use it lol. think the other post said that about it being like a 1h i KNOW i didnt say it as an axe give my 700-800dmg when weilding xD

[MyYing]

Well I hate to say this but I disagree with number 2.

For example you fight 2 Trumpys and the cleric tries to take them both on. A party member attacks one of the Trumpys. Trumpy loses agro on you and attacks them while the other trumpy is attacking you. Where does that leave your party member?

Dead Dead Dead

Pure End Fighters are better tankers period I've trained both a fighter and more cleric though to know this better than most people here. Lets see if you have a cleric already in your party and there is one slot left and you have another high level cleric and a Pure End Fighter wanting to join its pretty obvious which the party would perfer.

Its clear you have good knowledge about the game but when it comes to clerics it proves otherwise. I'd rather party a fighter that can taunt enemies to keep other party members safe like the archers and mages. Than to party a cleric which cant taunt enemies at all.

Not to mention with a Pure End fighter you can AOE grind and gain exp very very quickly which you cant do with a cleric.

damn i shoulda done a multi quote lol, anyways you have a valid point and i have to disagree with myself on #2 now lolz. also i think alot of post in here are made by people that have other classes only real reason why i've stayed on the defensive. also when i made reason #2 was when i was solo'ing archerons' in Uruga and some cleric jus walks up and takes my spot lol. literally the cleric jus hp sp buffed thru on some books and started kicking a$$ i was like O.O. and he was so good at it that i couldnt even say hey this is my spot lol. so with that i guess my second reason was steered towards a more solo approach.

[lilskaterdud3]

Double/Triple Post is bad enough, but quadruple post? 0.o

[billes]

True.

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[lilskaterdud3]

hello
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Whoa... that was the WORST english I've EVER seen. :/

[Andromeda]

btw I've been in that kq though we were all noobs my clerics kept me living and also you NEED dmg fighters and tanks to win that kq O.o with 2 fighters and me tankin we made it as far as the second floor halfway. Now I wont say that fighters are Superior but if I had to choose I'd take one Tank,4 fighters (for dmg and life) , 2 Clerics,3 mages(they die to fast when they aoe) and thats not talkin down on mages or 2 mages and 1 archer. If you dont have enough fighters u will lose because that main tank WILL die evetually lol believe me. Yes you may hold the mob but to say Str fighters arent needed is a lil dumb...because you dont add to the dmg ratio at all...

Ive done that KQ 3 times completed it all 3 times because we had End fighters and when we didnt the STR fighter was forced to use a HP/SP extender. STR fighters are only required to clear the mobs around dragon its the archers and mages job to attack the crap out of the dragon like mad with the main tank which should be an End Built Fighter.

The STR fighters job is to keep the clerics alive so the mobs dont go attacking the clerics while everyone else is attacking the dragon.

[Rough_Rider]

truthfully it comes down to luck *criticals and debuffs* and hp/sp potion supply... ... i guess in turn u could say - it comes down to which fighter has the bigger stones... :p

[MyYing]

truthfully it comes down to luck *criticals and debuffs* and hp/sp potion supply... ... i guess in turn u could say - it comes down to which fighter has the bigger stones... :p

LoL to that my friend

[-Leona-]

FOR ALL TANKERS, what's the point of using a sword i bet u would take an extra shield anyday and anytime and just stay there doing nothing, observing how cool the game can be when other people do the kill for u while u proudly say "MAN I"M SUCH A TANK"

ROFLMAO


ps i COMPLETELY agree that one tank is necesary for a difficult KQ but since i don't bother doing kingdom quests FULL END with 1h + shield are USELESS & ABSOLUTELY BORING, in my opinion

And in PvP a Heavy Damager Owns the Tank.

[goldenwitch]

Hmm maybe a bit off topic, but how does a pure END fighter do with a 2h axe instead of 1h sword + shield?
Just curious lol

[MyYing]

FOR ALL TANKERS, what's the point of using a sword i bet u would take an extra shield anyday and anytime and just stay there doing nothing, observing how cool the game can be when other people do the kill for u while u proudly say "MAN I"M SUCH A TANK"

ROFLMAO


ps i COMPLETELY agree that one tank is necesary for a difficult KQ but since i don't bother doing kingdom quests FULL END with 1h + shield are USELESS & ABSOLUTELY BORING, in my opinion

And in PvP a Heavy Damager Owns the Tank.


i love you T.T (in a non creepy way xD ) and yes that was funny as hell
omg i had to edit cuz im still reading it and laughing lolz

[Debonair_Kaus]

Again another dumb noob post, anyways no way will a full str fighter will kill a full end tank, full end has more def plus more hp along with extra def with a shield. Axe's are also slow and u miss more with them. Next time instead of posting read all the other post concerning the builds for each class.

[Lebatt]

Pure end will win.

I have made a thread to proove it:P

[-Leona-]

he is saying A DUMB post, so u have extra defence OKAY but what will your extra defence do if your weapon is much more inneficient on my defence than my axe is on yours CUZ 1h WEAPON stink like hell in this game THE DAMAGE IS RIDICOLOUSLY low and without a cleric u will go through your pots and stones much faster than a full str with an axe and boosted stun even though u have more hp and defence.

AND i dont' recall calling anyone dumb or anything like that i said is my opinion and to me full tanks are PLAIN BORING maybe more efficient in certain circumstances BUT PLAIN BORING and a game should be fun.

AND in one on ONE PVP i still believe u won't be able to take one FULL STR or FULL SPR with your 100% tank, BTW axes don't miss as often as most people say they do miss it's true but not as often as u tanks think they do.

AND btw debonair, someone in this forum said once that when people don't agree with them they are stupid and when they do agree the are intelligent so i'm not going to go any further with this argument your opinion is your opinion my opinion is my opinion but but there is no point calling other people stupid or noobs just because u have a different point of view.

[XpierulesX]

Avg. of pure str hp at level 24, ~500-600

My pure end hp is 897, end of story.

[-Leona-]

LOL END of STORY might as well close the thread since the KING has spoken.

[XpierulesX]

Yep *locked* :P

[Stragy]

str in this game sucks.
1 point in str = +1dmg
1 point in end= +5hp and more
thats y end better than str

[XpierulesX]

The King's knight has spoken *bigger lock* :P

[max9183]

why dont u look at it in a party perspective what would u rather have


1 pure str warrior and 3 clerics to keep them a live OR

1 pure end warrior 1 cleric and 2 mages


this has been said but why have a pure str fighter then mages and archer outdamage them and dont need to get up close and personal

most games i play im a 2:1 end/str warrior or whatever the stats are called and such mainly because'

some noob will be like HAHA i do way more damage then u and yah he also eats pots like no tommarow and without a cleric couldnt solo crap


id rather do 15 damage and take 5 then do 30 and take 15-20 *just random numbers mainly*

plus spr is better then str anyway a 25 spr rest into end warrior would mop the floor with a pure str warrior any day

[-Leona-]

TOTALLY AGREE WITH SPR BETTER THAN STRENGTH -BTW my character is not full str nor is full end- I HATE BEING DAMAGED AS HELL BUT AS WELL I DONT LIKE DEALING CRAPPY DAMAGE-

my character goes 15str 20end 10spr (going to make that 25 cuz the bonuses are great especially critical and magic defence which the fighter lacks) and i'm using an axe with boosted stun and power hit. With my character i can venture up alone pretty much anywhere around elderine including goblin camp, CP is a challenge it's true, without a cleric, i also have a shield and 1h sword with me for the cases when i need to tank for my party BUT that doesn't mean i like tanks :D I HATE SEEING A WARRIOR troubling himself killing a dorky imp, or well not troubling but growing old killing with a 1h sword it.

END is GOOD cuz u get several bonuses but seeing how the enemies fall flat when they get hit by an axe is just plain awesome and much more fun than having to go on Marathon battles using a 1h sword and shield.

NOTE: up till now i haven't yet faced a monster that i couldn't tank having a cleric healing me yet is true that i dont' bother going in KQ.

[MyYing]

I understand the whole hp aspect of END fighters but in PvP that dont matter much bro seriously...

My offer still stands Guild me Have A WAR or a DUEL...I'm all str, and no I dont Like using an axe but to see if this thread hold true jus send me a pm on here and I WILL DUEL YOU with an axe.

If you have confidence in your tank builds trhen put it to the test... ^.- b

lvl 41 fighter pure str..pure pwnage...(pm me cuz I'm currently DOMINATING 12sky)

[Enzio]

STR stat should be boosted.

[Zutro]

I'm a Full End fighter.I think i was around LVL 27-30 prolly alittle less.But i took on 6-7 different people 25-30 2 was archer's 3 fighter's and a cleric took them 10-15mins to take me down and even then they need help from a mage.I think the Full End fighter would walk away at the end.But it would be a good fight to see. and I'm hoping to find a FUll Str fighter to fight.

[Enzio]

I'm a Full End fighter.I think i was around LVL 27-30 prolly alittle less.But i took on 6-7 different people 25-30 2 was archer's 3 fighter's and a cleric took them 10-15mins to take me down and even then they need help from a mage.I think the Full End fighter would walk away at the end.But it would be a good fight to see. and I'm hoping to find a FUll Str fighter to fight.


And I bet you didn't kill a single one of them :D

[MyYing]

And I bet you didn't kill a single one of them :D

I doubt it aswell xD btw he had to pot his off.
I want to Fight a FULL END warrior with no pots to prove this thread wrong any takers wanna be proven wrong...anyone offer still stands

[Krylancelo]

^_^ well hmm thats a good question well ive been in alot of wars and went up against a couple pure str builds and we were both pretty equal they gave me lot of dmg but i took it i gave less dmg but they didnt have much hp to take but in the end it was pretty even


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Breaker LvL 40 Tank-Fighter

[-Leona-]

In the present i'm level 38, not all str not all end and an axe weilder, recently in a GW i've taken out a warrior that had a more advanced armor and about 200 more health (he used 1h sword and shield), either that person was not using his skills right or his extra defence is not a relevant point, neither one of us had a cleric to support us and i've beaten him easily 2 stuns and he was a gone.

So i don't think in PvP a few extra HP matter to much.

And REALLY a pure end fighter doesn't get THAT MUCH more hp i mean at level fifty is barely a lil over 250 more which is pretty irrelevant if both people fighting are using a TIER three Health SCROLL.

[Soul.of.Trance]

Do you understand the power of a Tank? The tank wins. The tank deals a lot of damage, and can withstand enough of it too.

[-Leona-]

The tank CANNOT deal A LOT of damage as u say, cuz the 1h swords reek, ok he can withstand a lot but not deal a lot.

[AdamWest]

Do you understand the power of a Tank? The tank wins. The tank deals a lot of damage, and can withstand enough of it too.

i know, that miniscule extra hp and def that gets taken out in 1 hit totally counteracts the super low damage your 1 hand sword does.

people think pure end 1h tank is unbeatable in pvp until a spr build fighter crits their axe's power hit.

[MyYing]

Do you understand the power of a Tank? The tank wins. The tank deals a lot of damage, and can withstand enough of it too.


I'm gonna try hard to to call you out of yor name but *** is wrong with you lol...there is NO WAY ON GODS GREEN EARTH that a tank hits for ALOT of dmg...stop fulling yourself bro. And next time you post you might want to add in a couple of facts and not just say random nonsense. Because a fighter(str build) does WAY more dmg than your precious tank...btw thats a fact ^^

[MyYing]

lol a funny scene i thought of ^^ . F1 is a str fighter F2 is a end fighter F3 is a spr fighter and all of them have a mob of 15 on them....

F1: Damn! these lil *******z sure are hitting hard

F2: what u scared u gonna die ^^

F1:not at all ^^ ill drink these pots...besides ive just killed 4 in like a min

F2:what?!? 4 you're a liar!

F3:hehe im on my fourth right now

F2: FTW! man...

F1 & F3: whats wrong?

F2: im almost done with my first one...

F1:oh...is you sword broken?

F3: lol no he just suxurz xD

F2: f&ck you man!

F1: hey guys calm down...seriously tho is it broke?

F2: no its not i jus dont practice on strength...i like to be able to take hits ^.- b and have high health

F1:...u like being hit? O.o

F2 no! damnit u misunderstood me

F3: nohe didnt thats what u said lol, u like being hit what an **** xD

F1: but your health isnt much higher than mines...maybe like by 100...and its not helping u kill >.<

F2: look i can stand here and take hits unlike the both of you so jus STFU and kill you damn mobs >=/

F3: Lol hee hasnt noticed has he ^^

F1:..umm ive benn done for 5 minutes now...so has F3...>.>

F2: noticed what -.-"

F1: want some help...=/

F2: dont need help go help F3

F3: lol ive been done ^^ btw it looks like you're standing still why dont you use your skills

F2: i am using them -.-"

F1:maybe i could call up cleric for some buffs? just to help?

F2: look man im fine im on my second mob now

F3: lol so you "accomplished" somthing lol , im going out for pizza. F1 wanna come?

F1: sure! F2 you wanna come err i mean do you want somthing back from the pizza place?

F2:no ill catch up in a few

F1: ill bring you something just in case

*returns hrs ltr*

F2: hehe i got 30 more mobs on me now ^^

F1: ok u will hate me for this but i cant stand it anymore! standing there taking hits cant possibly be ANY type of fun

F3: he jus like the bragging rights bro -.-

F1: well i dont im going to help kill despite what he says *fights*....OH ***** NO POTS WHY DID EVERYTHING JUS AGGRO ME HOLD THE AGGRO F2

F2: ...>.>

F1: hold aggro *** man only 2 pots left!!!!

F2: i cant hold u hit to hard!!!

F3: *eats pizza* this is intense o.o

F1: omg i have run or im gonna d.....*dead*

F3: OMFG U KILLED F1! *******Z! *runs to fight*

F1: omg the pain...so mu..ch...pai...n

*do u want to be revived now*

F1: whew ty for the res i needed that ^^

?: no prob...hmm u could use some heals bro

F1: could u heal me while i fight this mob pls =/ no pots i tend to eat them...

C: np i dont have much time tho

F1: dont worry i wont be long

*2min fight over*

C: wow u guys work fast lol

F1: lol ty and thanx for the heals btw F3 awesome crits

F3: i know ^^

F2:what about me im the tank damnit

F1: i died cuz of u..i thought we were cool man ='/

C: wait...F1 whats ur build?

F1: all str so far srry =/

C: damn lol u kill fast i thought u were the tank

F1: nah im not but F2 is a killa tank ^^

C: well F2 we need som1 to tank goblin king wanna come

F2:sure

C: hmm we'll need dmg to...wanna join F1

F1: yea its cool with me

F2: i can deal dmg to tho -.-

C: lol we all have our weaknesses and str is yours, just make sure to snaer kick alot so aggro doesnt move to F1 ok

F2: ok =/

F1: dont worry F2 i could never have held 30 mobs w/o the clerics spam heals and i damn sure wouldnt have been able to hold 30 off the ammount of pots u had lol so chin up bro ^^

F3: lol every time i hear tank i laugh xD

C: F3 u gonna come or joke

F3: can i do both...lol jk im comin me crits be nasty >=)

C: ok then lets go!

*they kill the GK and all get drops* The End

[Serat]

Honestly, I definitely feel that Warriors should be the big guys who can take the hits. As with all games, that is something that they tend to be the best at. Now, I know some say END all the way. Personally, that would drive me crazy, so I am doing a 1:2 (STR/END) build that is working for me. I still have my needed END but I can toss out hits that do something.

[AriesMehjor]

Both of those Bastar@!ds are useless at base level.
If you are a warrior, use scroll production skill, you may not be able to use a buff spell like a cleric, but scrolls are much better than those meager buffs, cept for the hp mp buff which I think is a huge overkill on buffs. Potion production comes in handy too since you can pretty much become self seficiant.

Theres a potion you can use to up that STR and DEF, point being, if you wanna win, It doesnt matter your build, cause they totally craped on us as far as skills go, Getting somthing like Vampire early on would have totally helpd out on alot of the fighters stat problems, if somthing like that was available at lvl 30 or so, we'd be fine. A fighter will allways appreciate his or her hp, SP can go fly off a cliff, we drink SP like water anyway so skills just eat away at us. I'm working on a build right now called the countdown build, it utilizes high STR medium END and a bit of icing on the cake with SPR.

But if you dont like thinking so hard and want to go a pure whatever...its important to build on your flaws.
Purity is overrated, moderation is the key. If a hybrid build took on any pure build anything, the match would just come down to speed. Think about that, cause anyway you figure it, the flaws of each class can just be fixed with scrolls and equipment. Sure being the highest damage dealer is great, so is being able to sit around and play with an enemy for about an hour, thats great too...but honestly why just have your cake when you can eat it too.

[MyYing]

Both of those Bastar@!ds are useless at base level.
If you are a warrior, use scroll production skill, you may not be able to use a buff spell like a cleric, but scrolls are much better than those meager buffs, cept for the hp mp buff which I think is a huge overkill on buffs. Potion production comes in handy too since you can pretty much become self seficiant.

Theres a potion you can use to up that STR and DEF, point being, if you wanna win, It doesnt matter your build, cause they totally craped on us as far as skills go, Getting somthing like Vampire early on would have totally helpd out on alot of the fighters stat problems, if somthing like that was available at lvl 30 or so, we'd be fine. A fighter will allways appreciate his or her hp, SP can go fly off a cliff, we drink SP like water anyway so skills just eat away at us. I'm working on a build right now called the countdown build, it utilizes high STR medium END and a bit of icing on the cake with SPR.

But if you dont like thinking so hard and want to go a pure whatever...its important to build on your flaws.
Purity is overrated, moderation is the key. If a hybrid build took on any pure build anything, the match would just come down to speed. Think about that, cause anyway you figure it, the flaws of each class can just be fixed with scrolls and equipment. Sure being the highest damage dealer is great, so is being able to sit around and play with an enemy for about an hour, thats great too...but honestly why just have your cake when you can eat it too.

cuz u cant ....even hybrids have flaws bro,nuff said

[Dickens]

im a level 24 fighter although i have +21 str and +7 end..

end is handy but i wish i had put them all on str..

warrior's were made for power! not to see how many hits they can take before dying!

I agree.....unfortunately,The Fiesta"s world seems to ignore the role of powerful damage fighter and expect the fighter to be the tank! That is what I'm very disappointed with !

[XpierulesX]

im a level 24 fighter although i have +21 str and +7 end..

end is handy but i wish i had put them all on str..

warrior's were made for power! not to see how many hits they can take before dying!

And lose 300 exp? I think not!

[antikv]

true！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！ ！！

[XpierulesX]

Dematerlizilaing (spelled wrong :P) hit, ftw :D

[Busirane]

I SAY END ALL THE WA JUS USE POWER SCROLLS THEB USE SKILLS AN UR AWOSME:):D:p:eek:

[MyYing]

I SAY END ALL THE WA JUS USE POWER SCROLLS THEB USE SKILLS AN UR AWOSME:):D:p:eek:


Power scrolls are for aim...dont post unless you know wth you are talking about and dont use caps either.

omg i just impressed myself i actually refrained from calling you out of your name. go me lol!

[Colonel]

false, but i even my END & STR

[-Leona-]

He thinks 300 is a lot wait till he reaches level 40 and loses around 3k :D, but really u get much more exp from killing more even when dying (which doesn't happen to often), then just wait ages to kill a monster.

If u kill 100 monsters each one for 100xp being a heavy damager u get 10k exp- die 2 times and u still get 4k plus (at level 42)

If u kill 30 monsters with a TANK and don't die at all u get only 3k.

THE numbers might seem odd since i've given the damager a lot more kills but that's the ratio u basically kill for each monster a tank kills 3 are taken down by the heavy hiter.

THE ONY USE of a tank as far as I'm concerned is when fighting super strong bosses, other than that heavy hitters can withstand and tank pretty much anything. (U CAN also tank the mega bosses if u use scrolls and have 2 good clerics to back u up).

[Summit]

Pure End has a BIG draw back in late game combat so ya your "owning now" but when those high str high spr builds get up there your going to lose and badly im sorry but your full end build lacks damage and crits even with a 2h axe the str-spr build WILL take you down with any weapon even without skills because their crit will be higher so base damage (with high str) + crit = i'd say 5% of your hp gone this is ofcourse speaking late game lvls say 50+
and Im also speaking of evenly geared If you ofcourse go pure end w/ greens to make up for the lack of str and spr vs a str-spr fight with whites (and no enhanced gear) you will win.

[Kholai]

Both of those Bastar@!ds are useless at base level.
If you are a warrior, use scroll production skill, you may not be able to use a buff spell like a cleric, but scrolls are much better than those meager buffs, cept for the hp mp buff which I think is a huge overkill on buffs. Potion production comes in handy too since you can pretty much become self seficiant.

Man, and I felt all special seeing as Protect 4 gave 76 points of defence to everyone, as well as increased damage by 86, that Resist increased magic damage by 65 and m.def by 62.
Now you've enlightened me, I'll make sure not to cast them since you can spend a hundred copper or so on a shield scroll that gives +29 defence, and another hundred copper on a +37 m.def scroll, and neither of which increases damage whatsoever.
Surely, this must be why clerics are so underpowered, their buffs are just so very weak. I mean at level 11, they only give an extra 22 damage and an extra 16 defence, which is only slightly more than the fighter's level 18 leg armour. And the damage isn't even quite equal to 100% the fighter's level 15 weapon again, it's only 85% of it! If only clerics got love too, am I right?

Seriously though, IGN and server? You're going on my "do not res" list, purely because you apparently don't need clerics or their meager offerings.

On a topic related side note, parties still love pure endurance builds, hybrid characters still lose out on the wayside to specialised characters, and to be perfectly honest, PvP is such an overwhelmingly small part of the game anyway as to be unimportant in any consideration.

[-Leona-]

KHOLAI u r right about the buff issue, buffs from clerics rock no matter the level.

[Summit]

Man, and I felt all special seeing as Protect 4 gave 76 points of defence to everyone, as well as increased damage by 86, that Resist increased magic damage by 65 and m.def by 62.
Now you've enlightened me, I'll make sure not to cast them since you can spend a hundred copper or so on a shield scroll that gives +29 defence, and another hundred copper on a +37 m.def scroll, and neither of which increases damage whatsoever.
Surely, this must be why clerics are so underpowered, their buffs are just so very weak. I mean at level 11, they only give an extra 22 damage and an extra 16 defence, which is only slightly more than the fighter's level 18 leg armour. And the damage isn't even quite equal to 100% the fighter's level 15 weapon again, it's only 85% of it! If only clerics got love too, am I right?

Seriously though, IGN and server? You're going on my "do not res" list, purely because you apparently don't need clerics or their meager offerings.

On a topic related side note, parties still love pure endurance builds, hybrid characters still lose out on the wayside to specialised characters, and to be perfectly honest, PvP is such an overwhelmingly small part of the game anyway as to be unimportant in any consideration.

If you complaining about how "underpowered" a cleric is compared to a fighter your generally missing the POINT of the idea why clerics were made they were made in to be SUPPORT yes a cleric isnt going to match a fighters armor and attack IT shouldnt that would make fighters useless the creators had in mind to make all classes work in harmoney, Fighters take hits Clerics Heal, Archers Crowd Control, Mages DPS you got it now ya dip? dont go qq'ing Clerics werent ment for raw power. if you want RAW power dont play a support class.

[Kholai]

If you complaining about how "underpowered" a cleric is compared to a fighter your generally missing the POINT of the idea why clerics were made they were made in to be SUPPORT yes a cleric isnt going to match a fighters armor and attack IT shouldnt that would make fighters useless the creators had in mind to make all classes work in harmoney, Fighters take hits Clerics Heal, Archers Crowd Control, Mages DPS you got it now ya dip? dont go qq'ing Clerics werent ment for raw power. if you want RAW power dont play a support class.

You sir, lack the ability to comprehend sarcasm. Read again, and this time pretend that English is your first language.

[Summit]

also why are you posting cleric ideals under a fighters post? stick to where your posts belong and ya try sounding intelligent online BRAVO you can be a big man over pixels

[Kholai]

Better to sound intelligent online than to sound foolish. Perhaps you should try it sometime? Regardless, my comment was relevant to the posts at hand, and contained more relating to the topic title than your own. Since I'm on topic and you're not, perhaps you should kindly move over to the "off-topic" forum?

[Brawlwaraxe]

Let me give my advice ( even if im a noob in this game ) ill go by pure logics.

Ive been playing lots of MMORPG in my life ( 14 years to be precise ) and what i could observe ( ive got a tanker and a full str warrior build ) warrior as tankers are USELESS. You know why? there suppose to be on the front line right? What good is it if they cant keep the threat bcuz they do crap dmg? Clerics are WAY better tankers than warrior even tho warrior got more def.
Simply put lots of skill points in heal cooldown and youll notice whos the best tanker between them lmao. Warriors were made to do dmg to kill monster FAST and survive at the same time. By putting everything in STR you will kill your enemy way faster and you wont need to tank as a fighter. I made lots of quest alongside lots of ppl and im a full str warrior. I was the tanker AND the dmg dealer AND a debuffer. ( even tho skills dont debuff very much ) simply stun your target and wack him off with all you got. For tanker...just use a cleric with lots of end and spr and the job is done. By healing you get the agro. And you can wack those mobs at the same time with some nice skills. Get another cleric to heal others ( if needed )
Thats all i wanted to say lol take care all :cool:

[Tackey]

Let me give my advice ( even if im a noob in this game ) ill go by pure logics.

Ive been playing lots of MMORPG in my life ( 14 years to be precise ) and what i could observe ( ive got a tanker and a full str warrior build ) warrior as tankers are USELESS. You know why? there suppose to be on the front line right? What good is it if they cant keep the threat bcuz they do crap dmg? Clerics are WAY better tankers than warrior even tho warrior got more def.
Simply put lots of skill points in heal cooldown and youll notice whos the best tanker between them lmao. Warriors were made to do dmg to kill monster FAST and survive at the same time. By putting everything in STR you will kill your enemy way faster and you wont need to tank as a fighter. I made lots of quest alongside lots of ppl and im a full str warrior. I was the tanker AND the dmg dealer AND a debuffer. ( even tho skills dont debuff very much ) simply stun your target and wack him off with all you got. For tanker...just use a cleric with lots of end and spr and the job is done. By healing you get the agro. And you can wack those mobs at the same time with some nice skills. Get another cleric to heal others ( if needed )
Thats all i wanted to say lol take care all :cool:

amen. lol.

[jtshelton07]

true cause fighters are the best there is lol

[Shadowfiend]

Totaly false lol he wont last very long at all while pure END will have WAY MORE hp n deff even if dmg dealer hase +9 axe :cool:

[violence]

Warriors were made for power? Are you one of those people who doesn't know what Sneering Kick is for? :confused:

Full Endurance fighter destroys full strength fighter at every turn, because mages and clerics love full endurance fighters who know how to tank. Why party with a low HP, high damage fighter when you could have a mage?

Fighters are the heroes guys. They're the ones who stand toe to toe with the dragon and survives everything it throws at them. They're the ones who leap in front of bullets meant for the mage, and the one who holds the forces of evil at bay because they're just that studly. Everyone supports the fighter, because the fighter keeps them safe, full strength isn't keeping anyone safe.

As for combat, sure, the full strength guy might do a lot of damage normally. Against a full endurance fighter who has a slightly higher defence than granite does? Not so much. And nail in the coffin? Stones restore a percentage of HP.

any char can tank so long as they go mostly end even a mage with the right equips and full str does keep some one safe mages a pure str fighter will do enough damage to keep a mage from pulling aggro thus the str fighter keeps the mage alive

[skippy_san]

Each free stat point goes to END, gives +0.5 DEF, +5 HP, and +0.1% (1-50) / +0.05% (51+) Block Rate.
If a fighter allocates 50 free stat points to END, he gets +25 DEF, +250 HP and +5% Block Rate. These numbers may look quite high at low levels, but slowly become negligible to high levels, except the block rate. That's why I don't think full END fighters as tough as you claimed them to be.

Going for full SPR is worth more later if you want to be an offensive axe-wielding fighter.
Each free stat point goes to SPR, gives +0.5 MDEF, +5 SP, and +0.2% (1-25) / +0.1% (26+) Critical Rate.
A critical hit is basically a twice more damage hit. As a nice bonus, if you do a skill critical hit, your skill additional damage also gets doubled too. By doing more constant critical hits, your overall damage output is increased.

Health stones don't work that way, instead you get a fixed recovery amount each uses. When you level up, the efficiency of those stones go up by a certain fixed amount, followed by the rise of their price.

imma say it like this when i first started playing i put all in str and had to change later on ...as i was gettin my tail beat i thought yep woody you messed up hahahahaha

[rrussell]

FALSE u damn weak

[misrael]

i played more MMORPG u can imagine .. u still think being "solo". but this is mmorpg .. people make parties. it means cleric heals fighter, mage n archer dmg. end.

[JudgeIronFist]

no!pure str is the best but i mean is plus str and DEX!you all didnt think about dex!dex brings you more aim than ever and lets you fight monster tt is tough with more stablity and will not miss so much!

[JudgeIronFist]

ok i have to post another reply...
str and dex=2handed sword
str and spr=axe
str and end=1handed sword and shield
thats so simply

[Brawlwaraxe]

I do agree with ironfist. Thats the right build. None is better n-e ways. It depends on the playing style of the player.

[Summit]

ok i have to post another reply...
str and dex=2handed sword
str and spr=axe
str and end=1handed sword and shield
thats so simply

umm...ya...no....dex isnt needed at all if anything dex would be with the axe because the axes hit rate is lower...so..do some more studying buddy

[yamatanoorochi]

lol..

were talking about 1on1 here right?

end fighter between str fighter?

: A pure STR fighter w/ axe & boosted stun skill owns pure END "tank"

[SubtleInfluence]

I made mine equal. I think a bit of both evens it out. My current str is 103 and my current end is 95. If i'm making a mistake here let me know n.n;;

[Summit]

lol..

were talking about 1on1 here right?

end fighter between str fighter?

: A pure STR fighter w/ axe & boosted stun skill owns pure END "tank"

Take into fact ALL your stuns hit and dont fail yes.... but there is a wide chance you will fail on trying to stun (and who puts points in stun anymore...its such a waste)

[Run34]

Going for full SPR is worth more later if you want to be an offensive axe-wielding fighter.
Each free stat point goes to SPR, gives +0.5 MDEF, +5 SP, and +0.2% (1-25) / +0.1% (26+) Critical Rate.

im pretty sure its 1% to crit 1-25 =\ your the only person that i've ever seen in weeks that has said it gives 0.2%... so whoever told you that unless its a gm or outspark, liez!!

[Semaj]

no man, for every point you put into spr up to +25 its only .2% increase.
after 25 its .1%.

it would be unfair to have a lv20 char have a 25% crit rate. that would mean he would ALWAYS crit once in four hits. not gonna happen.

your a cleric, look at your crit stat. its a lot lower than the points youve put into spr.

[-Leona-]

Take into fact ALL your stuns hit and dont fail yes.... but there is a wide chance you will fail on trying to stun (and who puts points in stun anymore...its such a waste)


Keep in mind that at higher level u get devastate an AoE stun that also does relatively high damage, DEVASTATE has a 100% chance to stun if the hit connects (and it will be sure of that). A tanker can't take out a fighter for the simple reason that a tank cannot do enough damage t outlife the heavy hitter. A heavy hitter that uses his skills right might exterminate the tank easily just use all your offensive skills, spam them and u will see how easily the tank will fall, and if your hits go crit than it's even easier.

[kaithz09]

Keep in mind that at higher level u get devastate an AoE stun that also does relatively high damage, DEVASTATE has a 100% chance to stun if the hit connects (and it will be sure of that)..

Wow a 100% AoE Stun, if this connect then Pure str would have a hard time right?? Stun in my point of view is very useful first it gave tanker the chance to heal and 2nd you can deal damage to your opponent.

Question Leona how long does the stun effect of Devastate skill?

[-Leona-]

With the damage a TANK deals it's easier for the HITTER to heal than for the TANKER cuz the tanker damage is a pure joke, the percentage Hp/Damage dealt is way in the adv of the Pure Str Axe Wielder, maybe i haven't met those so called invincible tanks that so many people try to convince that exist out there, cuz as far as i have fought other TANKS in pvp i beaten them so bad words cannot describe it.

[Dickens]

True.

Comments Welcome!


I don't know.....but I think both Full Str. and Full End have their own pros and cons...it depends on what kind of player.....if you like killing others(PvP),full str.is much better I think....but if the one like to play with a party and do the mission here and there...then....the full end frighter may be more useful than any other build I think:)

[Dchusher]

I don't know.....but I think both Full Str. and Full End have their own pros and cons...it depends on what kind of player.....if you like killing others(PvP),full str.is much better I think....but if the one like to play with a party and do the mission here and there...then....the full end frighter may be more useful than any other build I think:)

lol I liked that little skit MyYing :3 And I think the same way with ****ens. There is no better fighter but full end makes the cut as "tank" with the whole hp thing, while str just comes back with killing more (but needs to use alot of pots/stones). But I think anyone can tank with the right amount of something.

Like for me, I use a lv21 with a 2h: end+16 dex+10 (with a little help from a vit scroll which boosts my hp like over 900) and I can tank a whole like 5 robbers with just stones/pots. Dex sort of acts like a "shield" for me as the Misses act like "blocks" (that's how I saw it :rolleyes: )

[lilskaterdud3]

An 8 second stun isn't useful? :/

[Dchusher]

An 8 second stun isn't useful? :/

8second stun with lowered cooldown is very useful ^-^ You have more chances to keep pushing that button for more collisions so that you can be able to make the monster stunned (might not work wonders for charismatic mara and marlone but for the smaller things yah :3).

And when you ever get this Devastation or whatever technique (which I think it's around lv40 to get) then you can replace the whole collision skill (perhaps). Then again I wonder how much of a cooldown and debuff that thing has, I should take a look on it :3

[Nova100]

This is what i think.
Fiesta is made to have parties just like most games. You have someone to take hits (Fighter/Tank), someone to heal (Cleric), someone to weaken (Archer) and someone to do overall damage and buffs (Mage).

If you take away the tank who is there to take the hits.

[AhLook]

so.. i reckon a 1:2 str/end build is the best ?
after deriving some noteworthy points from the king and his knights -_-"
as well as leona, revival and andromeda ( not going to quote those posts.. too many)

new player here, but with lots of experience in online games.

hybrid is my choice, though i could do with some advice.

regards

[Summit]

Keep in mind that at higher level u get devastate an AoE stun that also does relatively high damage, DEVASTATE has a 100% chance to stun if the hit connects (and it will be sure of that). A tanker can't take out a fighter for the simple reason that a tank cannot do enough damage t outlife the heavy hitter. A heavy hitter that uses his skills right might exterminate the tank easily just use all your offensive skills, spam them and u will see how easily the tank will fall, and if your hits go crit than it's even easier.

First off you cant SPAM Dev... not even with the cd dropped.. idk where you got this info but also when you use dev it uses BOTH stun cd's...maybe you should research a little more into this..

[Scadel]

devastate doesnt 100% stun. but yeah, str > end.

[-Leona-]

I know u can't spam devastate :-/, and maybe devastate fails with mobs but in PVP un till now devastate never failed, and if u r trying to say a tank with own the heavy hitter in pvp than think again ( my opinion about this is not based on theories but in battles i've fought in pvp up to this point, never lost once against a tank in pvp, and i fought even higher levels ---yet again it's true that in a one on one skill matters also therefore the people i fought might've or mighti've not used their skills right)

IF u would've read the post after the one i said u could alternate u would've figured i found out a lil later, so pls read the whole info before u start picking on people.

[shoujo.]

Warriors were made for power? Are you one of those people who doesn't know what Sneering Kick is for? :confused:

Full Endurance fighter destroys full strength fighter at every turn, because mages and clerics love full endurance fighters who know how to tank. Why party with a low HP, high damage fighter when you could have a mage?

Fighters are the heroes guys. They're the ones who stand toe to toe with the dragon and survives everything it throws at them. They're the ones who leap in front of bullets meant for the mage, and the one who holds the forces of evil at bay because they're just that studly. Everyone supports the fighter, because the fighter keeps them safe, full strength isn't keeping anyone safe.

As for combat, sure, the full strength guy might do a lot of damage normally. Against a full endurance fighter who has a slightly higher defence than granite does? Not so much. And nail in the coffin? Stones restore a percentage of HP.

i agree. :D

[platina]

rofl still with this comparisson?... a tank isnt good for pvp.. but parties will choose tanks over fighter for aoe killing.

[4real]

Tank of course, I have a lvl 44 tank (called 4real lol) +49 on END.. i would like to put the question into physical action to find out the answer though.

[Summit]

I know u can't spam devastate :-/, and maybe devastate fails with mobs but in PVP un till now devastate never failed, and if u r trying to say a tank with own the heavy hitter in pvp than think again ( my opinion about this is not based on theories but in battles i've fought in pvp up to this point, never lost once against a tank in pvp, and i fought even higher levels ---yet again it's true that in a one on one skill matters also therefore the people i fought might've or mighti've not used their skills right)

IF u would've read the post after the one i said u could alternate u would've figured i found out a lil later, so pls read the whole info before u start picking on people.

Never I thrive to pick and If you want a good tank vs your "high damage" find me one of these days. when Im back that is .. about around x-mas is when my good compy will be back and I'll gladly put you in your place n_n

[B3h3m0th2k7]

True, but a +25 in SPR for an extra 10% Critical is advised. http://www.outspark.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Marron_Glace]

False.

Still it boils down to strategy and skill build. I'm an END fighter, if i were to fight a STR fighter, my lure skills are useless since i only use those on mobing. So i have to depend on my other skills. Fatal slash and stun will be enough to bring me victory. He may have more damage, but will he be able to kill me before i cud kill him. Fatal slash will give him a BIG BIG trouble. His def is ****ty then i will cut it almost half then he wud like only have 50% of his whole HP. Victory will be quick.

[TheDarx]

False.

Any axe fighter needs at least 25 SPR, rest can be put into END so they have good def/hp.
adding str is useless imo, since it doesnt boost ur atk much at all.

[DaViO]

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23525

[Scadel]

so true. wanna fight me to prove me wrong? :)

[mdarshiva]

sheesh i didn't read them all so if its been said sorry. but the fact is you should look at your plaing style. seriously folk it all boils down to how you want to play . i got al lot of exp. in prgs both paper and online. if ya want to tank then tank fight then fight. its ben said before but ill repeat it . if you are in a party remeber your place personaly i like have at least a damage fighter with a tank, because when the mage's and archers get aggro the tqank can't pull, there isn't a quicker way to pull the mob off said mage or archer and the tank cand still keeep maorjity of the argo. well i had my say but as for the poll it would boil down to playing style

[Dieyer]

man i love my fighter and i would never give him up A fighter with high str. and end. and a 2 handed sword to me owns..

[christinejan1432008]

Str Figther Cant Tank Mini Dragon It Suck It Just 1 Hit Blow

[ghostblade]

NO way man tank will endure those hits and the str fighter won't durate all of the tanks hits = tank wins



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[Caharin]

Fighters are the heroes guys. They're the ones who stand toe to toe with the dragon and survives everything it throws at them. They're the ones who leap in front of bullets meant for the mage, and the one who holds the forces of evil at bay because they're just that studly.

RAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AriesMehjor]

Countdown builds own all!

[nessy2317]

Fighter Vs Tank??

LOL it depends on the build :D

[Archaonn]

Tank, the Fighter wouldn't do enough damage and in the end the fighter would fall to the superior Hp and Def of the tank.

@ Nessy, lol Tank Build (full End) and Fighter Build (Full Str)

[Luna_Moore]

Wouldn't they balance each other out? Being opposites and all? While we're at it, let's make a bet, heads or tails?

[Archaonn]

Wouldn't they balance each other out? Being opposites and all? While we're at it, let's make a bet, heads or tails?

Na the Tank would mitigate a lot of the Damage done by the fighter.

[Summit]

pfft full builds are for idiots with no creativity anyways, watching two full builds is like watching a 2 year old trying to fit those shaped blocks into the shape specific block holes, long and boring ._. sure you can endure but do NO damage, sure you can dish out alot of damage but even a full end cleric can skill bash you and hurt you ._. paaathetic.

[Archaonn]

pfft full builds are for idiots with no creativity anyways, watching two full builds is like watching a 2 year old trying to fit those shaped blocks into the shape specific block holes, long and boring ._. sure you can endure but do NO damage, sure you can dish out alot of damage but even a full end cleric can skill bash you and hurt you ._. paaathetic.

shut up I'm a Full end tank and I'm not an idiot. Wanna know why I chose full end? Here's 4 words/letter I LOVE TO TANK. So What should I do if I wanna tank the best? Full End.

[AriesMehjor]

pfft full builds are for idiots with no creativity anyways, watching two full builds is like watching a 2 year old trying to fit those shaped blocks into the shape specific block holes, long and boring ._. sure you can endure but do NO damage, sure you can dish out alot of damage but even a full end cleric can skill bash you and hurt you ._. paaathetic.

omg thats so true, it ends up looking like a cleric battle after a while.
Full builds have alot of weaknesses. Like not having other stats to balance out thier overt power towards one skill.

[SamLai]

i think ether way u go is your own . but tank would own a fighter any day of the week.
While in a closed system, the easiest way is to have 2 volunteers train up a fighter, 1 pure str, 1 pure end. Lets have them fight with a zero enhanced short sword and nothing else, no skills no nothing.
Let them wack each other and we shall see how they fare.

[SamLai]

pfft full builds are for idiots with no creativity anyways, watching two full builds is like watching a 2 year old trying to fit those shaped blocks into the shape specific block holes, long and boring ._. sure you can endure but do NO damage, sure you can dish out alot of damage but even a full end cleric can skill bash you and hurt you ._. paaathetic.
Oh yes, just what we need, another retard.
No one said you must follow one of the 2 builds. All they are doing, is to figure out which build is stronger.
From this, we can even conclude a new build, so you shouldn't even appear here and let others mock at you.
You would ask, "a new build? HOW?". Pfft retard. If finding out str is better or end is better, you can do something like 7:3 ratio or something, where the greater ratio = the better between str and end.

[JeanBelmont]

Lol Jeanet I'll take ***** from Rev but from you...L-O-fckin-L you suck...literally. Blueberry had you running to MT in the last GW and killed you so pls your comment isnt even needed and again L-O-fckin-L (btw you're like what pure dex...yeaaaaa). I mean damn...atleast I know the flaws in my build but yours has MAJOR flaws...I'll just stop now Lol.

You sux lol XD you cant hit me and have 4 lvl 50 over me that dosent mean they are good that means Gang bang on me

[Kyouto]

the thing is that when u ahve more endurance u block more

[dmitsuki]

i mock and i dont die...as long as a cleric heals me while if a pure end mocks and doesnt get healed he lives...longer.. still dies. at least i take somthing with me, if theres heal tho im fine

[dmitsuki]

all low lvl fighters die in kq from aoe, full str or not, i tanked mara plenty of times and im full str, i can even tank robo now and im full str, it just depends on the cleric, lower def better cleric needed, a full end could survive with a stupid cleric but i tank all the time with my good friend clerics who know what there doing, and as for all the hp diffrence im hearing, hp earings, wepons with end, and end rings, u dont need str stuff because u got str...

[dmitsuki]

Hmm maybe a bit off topic, but how does a pure END fighter do with a 2h axe instead of 1h sword + shield?
Just curious lol
they cry cuz they get hurt more

[dmitsuki]

Again another dumb noob post, anyways no way will a full str fighter will kill a full end tank, full end has more def plus more hp along with extra def with a shield. Axe's are also slow and u miss more with them. Next time instead of posting read all the other post concerning the builds for each class.
ur the full end fighter im the full str fighter and were in pvp, i do major damage to u and u...do alot less, now u can take a hit and i can dish it out and vise versa, were even...untill i stun and unload on you once ur down to half hp, u can t ry to do the same, but are hp isnt that diffrent, so unload on me if you want, not gunna do much damage

[dmitsuki]

Honestly, I definitely feel that Warriors should be the big guys who can take the hits. As with all games, that is something that they tend to be the best at. Now, I know some say END all the way. Personally, that would drive me crazy, so I am doing a 1:2 (STR/END) build that is working for me. I still have my needed END but I can toss out hits that do something.
i played maple story...unfortanatly, but it arieses somthing awesome WARRIORS DO LIKE 80K DAMAGE, wow thats alot, a real lot AND WE HAVE THE HIGHEST HP, wow that cool to we get high hp AND high damage, best def and whats our only problem....we need a cleric T_T i hate maple story now but im just saying...that makes more sense then us having to argue weither we get to take hits OR get to do damage

[ShadowPreist]

mmorpg.. funny. i did notice that almost 60% of "girls" are really guys.

[ShadowPreist]

fighter. powered. tanks are good, but after lv.20 you notice you need power to survive in game.

[Asheer]

Of course Fighter are win against tank because fighter have advance of altitude and weaponry :p.

But back to topic i am fighter but in creation of my char i use a statistic from "normal" rpg :STR, DEX, END.
Currently i am lvl 25 and my STR is +16 and END +13 but thanks to this i can deal whit more as 5 mobs without using a pot or stone.
Of course i known that i alone cannot face any highlvl boss and my development is slower as if i will be focusing to PURE Str or End char.
But like someone say "Haste is Waste" :p.

[shazad20074]

in think a pure STR fighter would be cool but no one who is a fighter wants to be pure STR so it kinda hard to answer the question ( BTW im half STR half END:p)

[danielyang027]

In previous MMO's i've played the Fighter always won against the Tank in pvp. It would usually end in a close match though. Since the Full STR Fighter did some dmg to the Full END Tank, but the Full END Tank did little dmg from the beg. In the end, i guess it'd depend on who's playing the Fighter and who's playing the Tank and how good they are at using the class.

I'd still prefer the tank no matter what though...

[DarkZarkon]

I think false because like while the strength fighter was attacking the tank fighter would attack him and kill him easily because he has not got much health or defense because endurance.

[Vellisa]

True or false, i doesnt matter to me.
But what i can tell is, the tank is not always the strongest; and fighters are not weak too.

[saikoubi]

i am so gonna get flamed here but here goes.

i liken a pure END fighter to the biggest beefcake bodybuilder, totally resistant to damage, but only with no balls. like a knight in full chainmail with a broken sword. he is easy to play, he has loads of life, accompanied with a sad excuse for damage and other purpose.

the pure STR fighter, or any other more damage oriented fighter (SPR someone?) is like a spartan in 300. he hits hard, but he dies faster than a pure END, duh. but he takes them down with him, and whether or not this fighter dies is up to the skill of the person behind the screen.

of course pure END tanks better, but for everyone out there, are you really satisfied to be a lump of meat soaking up numbers, while the others take pride in their delivering of numbers? can you survive from the start of the game to the highest possible level, being a punching bag? for those who disagree, take a walk with our shoes.

like myying said, pure END fighters are almost entirely party dependant. will there be not one time you want to do away with partying in the game, and be capable enough in dealing some respectable damage.

so HOW MANY bosses/mobs kill in one hit in the entire game? for pure END provides the best tank, the other variants of fighters will come in as a second, maybe the clerics would fair pretty well too. pure END fighter might provide a better success rate, but that is compromising the fighter's enjoyment(i am assuming people actually like to deal damage), while DPS classes can enjoy.

i do not see that much of conflict over builds in other classes, maybe why people experiment with the fighter class is because it has territory to be explored. for those who cast pan-like judgement to fighters as merely serving as your meat shields so you can stand behind and take the glory.

Do not undermine the individual proficiency of skilled players who can control their characters to better levels. the pure END fighter is CONVENIENT to support. give the knight back his sword and let him fight a decent fight. thanks.

[Vellisa]

Nice post. Fighter or tank, you are the one who control your character. It depends the skill u have and how u use it. Totally agree with you, saikoubi.

[Vincent95]

i am so gonna get flamed here but here goes.

i liken a pure END fighter to the biggest beefcake bodybuilder, totally resistant to damage, but only with no balls. like a knight in full chainmail with a broken sword. he is easy to play, he has loads of life, accompanied with a sad excuse for damage and other purpose.

the pure STR fighter, or any other more damage oriented fighter (SPR someone?) is like a spartan in 300. he hits hard, but he dies faster than a pure END, duh. but he takes them down with him, and whether or not this fighter dies is up to the skill of the person behind the screen.

of course pure END tanks better, but for everyone out there, are you really satisfied to be a lump of meat soaking up numbers, while the others take pride in their delivering of numbers? can you survive from the start of the game to the highest possible level, being a punching bag? for those who disagree, take a walk with our shoes.

like myying said, pure END fighters are almost entirely party dependant. will there be not one time you want to do away with partying in the game, and be capable enough in dealing some respectable damage.

so HOW MANY bosses/mobs kill in one hit in the entire game? for pure END provides the best tank, the other variants of fighters will come in as a second, maybe the clerics would fair pretty well too. pure END fighter might provide a better success rate, but that is compromising the fighter's enjoyment(i am assuming people actually like to deal damage), while DPS classes can enjoy.

i do not see that much of conflict over builds in other classes, maybe why people experiment with the fighter class is because it has territory to be explored. for those who cast pan-like judgement to fighters as merely serving as your meat shields so you can stand behind and take the glory.

Do not undermine the individual proficiency of skilled players who can control their characters to better levels. the pure END fighter is CONVENIENT to support. give the knight back his sword and let him fight a decent fight. thanks.

nice speech(essay), likewise...what would a good sword be if the knight don't have the chance to swing it? being a tank and a fighter both has their cons n pros...enough with this topic already
the tank tanks for the pt while the DD will deal with the killing
don't take the 300 spartan n compare them with tanks n fighter...strip the spartans from their shields(which would mean tank in this context) and see how fast they fall

[saikoubi]

ahh of course, no one is restricting 1h and shield for hybrid fighters. lets explore, is all. look at the SPR fighter, who would think of adding points SPR for a fighter, add sp amount? no way most would say. now lets see how much an axe spr fighter crits for. imagine a game where everyone follows 1 standard build, like a controlled utopia, everything will be the same.

[Vincent95]

well i nvr said anything about going hybrid is bad, i'm planning on a hybrid myself
i wont hate adding spr at all...i would really love the mdef n the extra crit % they give
the only thing is if everyone goes about being a fighter or a hybrid...the tanker build will decrease n when that happens, threads about KQ being impossible to win n stuff will definitely flood the forum
there's no way of accomplishing something with just all tanks or all DDs
i do not hate the ppl who thinks that adding str is better than end n so on..i just hate the threads that makes ppl think that str will rule out end n vice versa

[saikoubi]

oh no you got me wrong. i'm all for variety, i believe in the beauty of original styles and their individual pros and cons. :D i believe we reached a consensus

[Shadowfiend]

im a level 24 fighter although i have +21 str and +7 end..

end is handy but i wish i had put them all on str..

warrior's were made for power! not to see how many hits they can take before dying!

Total false. They were not made for power. In power they are weak comepare to mages. Fighters were made to tank, Like hold bosses or mobs so other classes could attack and not die.

[shadow_war]

where do i go to play the game

[MyYing]

dam this topic still going O.o
btw str pwns u all

[BUFFWABBITWARRIORS]

Are you kidding me TANKS DONT DPS UNLESS IN BEAR FORM. ALSO SIR WABBIT WARRIORS WOULD OWN ANY TANK IN THE GAME MATE.


"Buff The Wabbit Warriors or Nerf the world"

[QuickDraw]

I agree 100% with Kholai I'm a lvl 45 pure end. Nothing stands in my way while in kingdom quests or pvp. Those fancy super shiny pure STR fighters make me laugh as I rip away at their limited hp (he he gene) pool. I love how they go AWWW no fair *** is that? As I block 6 - 7 out of 10 of their hits. I watch them spend a fool's fortune on pots and stones and yet they still fall victim to my blade and shield.

I've seen plenty of pure str fighters in kingdom quests. Guess who dies first? STR fighters. because clerics would rather spend their time keeping the END fighter alive because we draw all the agro and can take it!

would be nice to see a pure str fighter take on 8 or 9 lvl 30-50 monsters and servive ever 2 seconds. I bet that they won't. Pure END on the other hand can take it and go toe to toe beating out most of them as he slashes and blocks his way through them.

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Some Day Pure END fighters will rule the world, untill then we'll be waiting.

A sword to protect. A shield to defend. But our strongest asset is our hearts to fight!

[Vajrabhairava]

POINTLESS DISCUSSION

This is the same as the fighter versus mage argument. It can go on indefinitely, everyone pointing out reason after reason why they thing their way is the best. Gets really old.

Shut up and go play the damn game, talk is worthless.

[HotRed]

Don't be so conceited QuickDraw! :rolleyes:

I am level 45 too and if you dare, let's go test out my FULL STR vs. your FULL END?

Be warned

I can wield all the the gear available for Fighters! I can switch to all of the 3 Fighter's weapons!

Let's just try it! check my siggy! ;)

[Garamor]

OK Hotred give it a try:p

[capron]

Strength warriors against endurance warriors. From my experience, strength warrior are always going to win. If you have ever seen a duel against them, you can see how much damage a str. warrior does to an end. warrior. Have you ever seen clerics against a str. warrior? They kill the clerics easily. Now against an end. fighter, the str. warrior will crit. and eventually if not quickly kill the end. warrior. The axe is one of the most deadliest weapons and if it's +9 you better run.:p An end. warrior wasn't meant for PvP like a cleric. Mages kill end., archers ignores defence and drains their hp, clerics will be a waste of time to fight. You should experience Elderine PvP and you will notice.

[HotRed]

OK Hotred give it a try:p

Yes I will 'coz I don't want just a Fight Talks I wanna try it! ^_^

Please give me your ingame name QuickDraw or just whisper me ingame!

Check my siggy for more informmation! ^_^

Don't war my Guild 'coz Guild War has nothing to do with this!

Just go to the PvP area in GC! ^_^

[silph]

wow so much arguements i play a full end fighter and my damage is fine i have an ordinay zweihander+3 and can tank almost as good as a pure end 1h user but i get better damage specially i can survive 2 attacks by robo and take a bunch of monsters dont get me wrong i know my limits i wont dare tank a mob of the dark skele wars but if i find myself lacking in anything i can use scrolls so really if you have the right scroll even a pure str fighter can tank having a few clerics help as well of course their def spells save you more often than anything. armor that adds damage or end is good but scrolls and clerics make the tanking difference but if i was on topic it could go ether way depending on the wep. and armor. but really if you can keep your opponent stunned you win regardless of anything else so keep in mind that skill points make a difference as well. hope i helped

[JaReDcRoW]

i have a lvl 44 tank (all end) and i have more attack with my +6 axe no stats on axe... than a lvl 45 fighter (all str) i love my build i tank with a axe and when it gets tough then i go to shield and sword.... tanks own!!!!

[Zeroz]

dudes cmon i completely agree with kohlai fighters are known for their capability to endure bone shattering hits that would massacre a pure str fighter

[jeffreytoro]

It all depends on who's fighting who...

[HotRed]

Come on at least same level FULL STR vs. FULL TANK fight in a PvP area!

Take a screen shots and post it here or open a new Thread! ^_^

[wazzup634]

It all comes down to equipment.

I was able to tank mini dragon at lvl 53(with 1hand and shield of course) with no problem and im 25spr and all str fighter i just happen to have a lot of end in my gear.

With pvp assmuming that both fighters have same equip, same levels other than weapons lets say end fighter has 1hand(white) and a shield(white) while str has an axe(white), id say they wont be able to kill each other unless 1 of them runs out of stones

[CurlyCoyote]

It all comes down to equipment.

I was able to tank mini dragon at lvl 53(with 1hand and shield of course) with no problem and im 25spr and all str fighter i just happen to have a lot of end in my gear.

With pvp assmuming that both fighters have same equip, same levels other than weapons lets say end fighter has 1hand(white) and a shield(white) while str has an axe(white), id say they wont be able to kill each other unless 1 of them runs out of stones

I agree... i already done it, friendly pvp, and the loser is because he run out stone, and dont wanna use pot :)

[-Leona-]

With enhanced equipment on both sides and both players at same level the end fighter will go through his stones much faster than the str fighter. As this topic suggested we are talking about Axe fighter full str and 1h/shield fighter full end. I have fought quite several times against this odds. TRUE that neither one of the 2 will die before the stones are out, BUT the end fighter will consume the stones at an amazing speed. I have seen full end fighter will +9 equips all the way barely hit me for 120 with regular attacks while i got them with over 300+ regular attacks. Also in a fight without stones i can obliterate an end fighter.

In pvp the best build is the DD build just like for aoeing the safest build is full end, and that's a fact, any other arguments are just useless points of views which are based only on rumours.

[Mizuko85]

i have a lvl 44 tank (all end) and i have more attack with my +6 axe no stats on axe... than a lvl 45 fighter (all str) i love my build i tank with a axe and when it gets tough then i go to shield and sword.... tanks own!!!!


pfft, lies...easy example:

Full end + axe =high damage
Full str +axe = of coz higher lol

Yawn..back to sleep >_>"

[Oceania]

i have a lvl 44 tank (all end) and i have more attack with my +6 axe no stats on axe... than a lvl 45 fighter (all str) i love my build i tank with a axe and when it gets tough then i go to shield and sword.... tanks own!!!!
what? the lvl 45 fighter is holding a lvl 20 axe or smth? nonsense!

[HotRed]

With enhanced equipment on both sides and both players at same level the end fighter will go through his stones much faster than the str fighter. As this topic suggested we are talking about Axe fighter full str and 1h/shield fighter full end. I have fought quite several times against this odds. TRUE that neither one of the 2 will die before the stones are out, BUT the end fighter will consume the stones at an amazing speed. I have seen full end fighter will +9 equips all the way barely hit me for 120 with regular attacks while i got them with over 300+ regular attacks. Also in a fight without stones i can obliterate an end fighter.

In pvp the best build is the DD build just like for aoeing the safest build is full end, and that's a fact, any other arguments are just useless points of views which are based only on rumours.

I LOVE your comments! ^_^

Add to your reputation! :D

[HotRed]

pfft, lies...easy example:

Full end + axe =high damage
Full str +axe = of coz higher lol

Yawn..back to sleep >_>"

100% sure! ^_^

[MasterAhmed]

.....true and there is no reason against that



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U should also hit like a DD'er on steroids.:cool:

[Halodoomhpf15]

full str fighter tank wins

[DarkReira]

*votes for false* Sorry to announce you but STR isn't all! =P
STR is an important part of fighters, but DEF is VERY important as well!
You can have how much STR as you want, but if you don't have points at DEF too it means you don't have enough health and def, wich means dead in 2 sec >.<"

[methusala]

I'm a full end tank build @ level 57 i have 1006 def with no party buffs or scrolls, even with extra strength its hard for a fighter to take me down. With a party and scrolls i have over 1k def while holding an axe and can tank just fine with no shield. I guess my point is, whats the point of this thread? It all depends on how you built your toon, the gear you chose and your ability as a tanker/fighter.

Just my 2 copper,
Methusala

[magneus]

i also thought the difference between a full str or end fighter and mixed of both and well im a full end fighter and though my atks may not be that high i can definitly take hits lol my fighter is only lvl 30 and a lvl 50 fighter full str axe user couldnt even kill me even after 5 minutes in a guild war i felt like just goin to sleep they bored me xD ..so yea a full end fighter owns any other type of fighter + everyone wants us in KQs we own ^_^

[sammyhelsing]

If you were lvl30 and a lvl50 fighter couldn't kill you .. then i must say, that lvl50 fighter SUCKS!. There is NO way a lvl30 could stand a lvl50 full str fighter!!!

[slayerKING]

i like pie pie wins by far

[fadingsensation]

a lvl 30 beat a lvl 50 full strength ... that is so lmao ... very suck fighter indeed

I'm a Str builder myself 25 SPR *Critical rate* 54 Str
Max cool on Vit, Dev and Mock, extra damage on Dev and Duration for Vit
i can take on any LVL 60 tanker anytimes
Using Vitality +300 xtra damage *with CG +9 axe , i pawn full End fighter anytimes