Mystery buyer in ess??

[techno-viking]

Post your theories as to whats going on in ess atm O.o

i done a bit of investigating and it wasn't just ess, it was everywhere O.o

im guessing a hacker is the most likely explanation, although tis game is heavily server based, so it wouldn't be easy, so it could be a bug, or someoens got hold of a gm's account.

[himoses]

I think it was a hacker.

[Anzku]

Hmm, maybe..

[Anzku]

The problem is, how to fix this bug/hack...

[halfdan]

I am going to stop exp'ing because I fear a server rollback >_<

[Brutus_]

i friend o mine got over 500MIL over this !! wth is going on ?

[techno-viking]

I am going to stop exp'ing because I fear a server rollback >_<


yes, thats a possiblity, ive had that happen in another game and lost a days progress ><

[rangerb]

waaaaaaaaaaat???
Waaaaaaa, why today? I made 4 lvls (70-74) today D:
Im gonna die if this happen x.x
Darn hacker >: (

[Anh-Vu]

Sheesh with these hackers...

[eyezspyre28]

This is getting way out of hand, clearly it will affect the game's economy!
My best guess would be a player discovered how to bug the krons or so..a possibility of hacker roaming around xen! GMs cant do that coz they will definitely know it will make the markets economy as worst as it is now..and i hate to see people who earned their kron rightfully will be affected by it!

I hope GMs will investigate on this matter ASAP

[robert1205]

Now only this mysterious buyer has been buying everything in essene/bry, but I have noticed about 100 cases of accounts being hacked recently this week.

Another strange phenomenon is a lvl 3x squire buying Xens for 5 million each (before all the mysterious buying and hacking incidents). The squire also gave a couple of my friend 270 million as well. Could it possibly be him? This is just my thought.

[eyezspyre28]

Another strange phenomenon is a lvl 3x squire buying Xens for 5 million each (before all the mysterious buying and hacking incidents). The squire also gave a couple of my friend 270 million as well. Could it possibly be him? This is just my thought.

Ive also seen that shout, sadly i forgot to SS it. Well its hard to name players coz its against TOS under these circumstances..Kudos to this game if this keeps getting out of hand..

[SyneX]

LOL
I know who it is XD
The person was buying all pets yesterday. I sold her mine too and she was buying the same pets again and again. lol
Cant tell name, blacklisting ^^

[Kendrah]

what I am really worried about is what Outspark will do. I'm hearing various rumors, from nothing to a server wide wipe. *_*

[techno-viking]

so she was the one who bought my bloody poodle >< i put it in shop for 50 mil as an afk, thinking nobody would pay that much for it :(

[Kayarine]

What exactly is going on? O.o I just logged in. D:

[Mikitan]

:S Well you know what... I was pretty happy my shop was bought out. (I was expecting it to, Because I was selling quest items that work well with the booster weekend - Cobalts and Polluted souls..). But now that I keep hearing all this stuff, I'm a little scared that my kron and exp will go away T_T.. (and I need mines, because darn Warrior gears are SOEXPENSIVEOMGAH and I'm so close to warrior =.=)..

*sigh*

I hope there's no server rollback.. I would be rather disapointed. Especially after all the grinding, farming, and enhancing I've done this past weekend..... =_=;;;

[techno-viking]

:S Well you know what... I was pretty happy my shop was bought out. (I was expecting it to, Because I was selling quest items that work well with the booster weekend - Cobalts and Polluted souls..). But now that I keep hearing all this stuff, I'm a little scared that my kron and exp will go away T_T.. (and I need mines, because darn Warrior gears are SOEXPENSIVEOMGAH and I'm so close to warrior =.=)..

*sigh*

I hope there's no server rollback.. I would be rather disapointed. Especially after all the grinding, farming, and enhancing I've done this past weekend..... =_=;;;

Well imo they now have 2 choices.

1. deposit 999.999.999 mil in everyones inventory.
or
2. rollback the server 48 hours.


if they do nothing, this games economy will be screwed for months as several people have gone around buying up all kinds of stuff and will be able to charge whatever prices they want. some examples: one person has over 900 xens from this hackers work, also people are shouting to buy xens at 2+ mil each.

[himoses]

I am so sick of stuff like this happening. I work for months to build up a nice savings to afford my gears. I already need about 100 million x.X to pay for 3 gears for my lvl 96 warrior. If Outspark does nothing about this, I will flat out quit this game. I understand supply and demand and the basics of economics and I think many who play this game do. If nothing is done, this will mean utter doom to the economy of Xen. The results would be the same as making the populist William Jennings Bryant President (wiki it people). If this means disabling all shops and trade transactions until this is corrected, so be it. It can be next to impossible to stop a good hacker, especially if the exploit is unknown.

Drastic action must be taken. If possible, a server rollback should be done on items and money only. If not, a complete rollback to Sunday should be done. Outspark could save face by extending all purchased items for three days and having a three day 100% server wide exp boost ONCE THE PROBLEM IS CORRECTED. Maybe someone has a better solution. I feel sorry for those who toiled all weekend to take advantage of the boost. However, I hope people realize that all their ill gotten gains were also obtained by 100+ people as well which will totally destabilize the economy thus making all the money you have gained worthless. Inflation will run rampant (think 500-2400%), much more so than it already is. I had about $4 million in sales from my shop minimum from our mystery buyer, and as much as $10-12 million over the weekend which may have also been him/her. I usually make $2-10 million a WEEK depending on my play length and luck on drops which is a moderate to low amount for people who can solo the first two floors of the library. I will gladly give up all my proceeds of sales over the weekend to get this corrected. I know this is far less than the people who had $10 million pots purchased and $100 million gears purchased.

Any other thoughts for correction of this problem?

[tengokuken]

For the moment, A CL shouted to stop selling if you don't want your char to get deleted, if it was infected. Dunno, how they will handle this but, I suggest we just stop selling and, as I did, close all auction till it's safe!

I totally agree with the post above from Himoses. If needed, take drastically measure and wipe this problem quickly before it affects the game more than it has actually.

God... a server roll means loosing all what I did the past hours... *goes crying*

[tazsbigtoy]

Okay, I was on all weekend grinding and didn't know anything was going on. I do remember a certain assassin shouting wanting to know who had paid 100mil or more for his gear, and a couple of other shouts where someone had apparently had some afk items bought for crazy prices. I hope they can come up with a way to fix it, but it will really stink if they do a server rollback, I gained several levels with multiple characters, not to mention the loss of time on sparkcash items, which won't be available to help me if I have to redo the whole thing. You really know the stupid thing about it is, whoever is exploiting the glitch would have had it made if he hadn't gone wild. He would always have had money for gear, xens, unknown book sets, ect. As it is, he or she ought to be easy to trace. I say backtrack, find and fix glitch and bann the account of whoever done it and any other accounts on the same ip address.

However, I wonder, because I have heard someone bought all the unknown book sets available and then resold them over the weekend for very inflated prices. This was a person who spends a lot of time in the library. I also know of another person who sold a lot, repeat lot of xens at the inflated rate. So both of those people might have been capable of spending massive amounts of kron on stuff. They might be partially responsible for stuff.

[eyezspyre28]

SERVER ROLLBACK with exp and kron compensation (including SC items) ... it cant be helped. Kudos to all!

[Mikitan]

Well imo they now have 2 choices.

1. deposit 999.999.999 mil in everyones inventory.
or
2. rollback the server 48 hours.


if they do nothing, this games economy will be screwed for months as several people have gone around buying up all kinds of stuff and will be able to charge whatever prices they want. some examples: one person has over 900 xens from this hackers work, also people are shouting to buy xens at 2+ mil each.

Lol. But you did read my post D;? I was selling Cobalts quest items + Polluted Souls at 300k each since they were in high demand. That's a reasonable price for what people were selling them last night. And before falling asleep, I had already sold 10 of each.. x___________x..

What if my sales were legitimate? :/

Anyway.. I guess I'd have to agree with you all.. but I'm on a tip of the iceberg =_=; If a server rollback happens, It should be back to around early morning hours of today. Because this "mystery buyer" wasn't buying stuff til after I had fallen asleep (2am cst) and between the time I woke up (8am cst). O.o


EDIT: And yeah, Taz's post pretty much summed it up on how I feel about the leveling/sparkcash. =.=

[Ayanami]

Yea, seriously, no one is gonna like the fix, but we need it:

SERVER ROLLBACK

But who knows how long this has been going on for? (assuming it really is someone exploiting a bug) How far back would it need to go?

In any case, any server rollback should be accompanied by some SERIOUS freebees. People are gonna be real mad regardless of what (if anything) is done. Server rollback: people mad for losing exp gained and time wasted. Do nothing: completely farked economy (my prediction: xen stones will become the new currency).

My boyfriend's comment when I told him all that time I played this weekend will have been wasted:

"So, before, it was just ME who thought you were wasting lots of time on that stupid game."

[tazsbigtoy]

Yea, seriously, no one is gonna like the fix, but we need it:

SERVER ROLLBACK

But who knows how long this has been going on for? (assuming it really is someone exploiting a bug) How far back would it need to go?

In any case, any server rollback should be accompanied by some SERIOUS freebees. People are gonna be real mad regardless of what (if anything) is done. Server rollback: people mad for losing exp gained and time wasted. Do nothing: completely farked economy (my prediction: xen stones will become the new currency).

My boyfriend's comment when I told him all that time I played this weekend will have been wasted:

"So, before, it was just ME who thought you were wasting lots of time on that stupid game."

Well they can't compensate me. I have a sparkcash item that is no longer offered, the defense mask, which I used to level my squire, mage, and gain experience with my priest. To compensate me they would have to give me another boost weekend, time on my mask, and time off from work to grind. Can't be done. I think rolling back the server would anger so many players it would hurt the game more in the long run. I have a good friend who can't play while she is in school. She has been on this weekend and is 50% away from cleric. The guild members have all worked hard to help her get there before she goes back to school. If she loses that, she won't play again.

[ggBuRNe]

wow.. wth is happening? I haven't been online for 2 days.. A buyer jack all items for high prices??

The last time I was online, I had this player who bought all my xens every time and she said she had over 800+ xens.. A warrior as main character?? Idk whether it's the same person who jacked all the items at any price.. Well, if that player hacked/jacked everything, then later we will know the person ign whether alt or main coz he will be the only one who sell the items at particular price.. Since I didn't online, so I don't know what is exactly happening, thus I can't give my solution to this problem..

[davisf18]

DO NOT sell your items while this is going on. We do not know what is going on but if this is a hack then your accounts and characters could be in danger. It may be nice to make the kron now but you may end up losing something more precious in the process.

dont give in to the power of greed by wanting kron, dont put up shops. If this is a hack then there is much at stake.

[Anh-Vu]

I'm just thinking, if there could be ANY way to do a server rollback which affects krons and items only, NOT the experience we've collected

[Turbo-X-]

Well like it was mentioned earlier, wat if you were vending afk and didnt know this was happen and someone bought your items does that mean our chars will be deleted?!? o O I mean i vend afk to sell n as pet timer b4 work. if they are goin to do a rollback. They need to do a double exp event for a week or something.
It just gotten worst early in the morning when other ppl started shouting for the person to buy their items. That's when all other ppl tried to vend things in extraordinary amounts of kron.

[Darcaen]

Drastic action must be taken. If possible, a server rollback should be done on items and money only. If not, a complete rollback to Sunday should be done.
I agree with everything you said.

I quoted this only to highlight the Krons-Unknown Book set loophole.

[comp4ssion]

Server rollback on items and Kron ploxxie...I'd lose less than a million Kron, a Sea People Pages set, a couple YWMs, and a few gears for which I have no use. I'd much rather lose that than the 40% I've gained since the time the problem started.

I was wondering why I saw U-books going for over a million per book instead of a little over a million per set.....

[Ginto]

they need to shut off the server and kick everyone off so they can fix it

[karlac74]

I agree with everything you said.

I quoted this only to highlight the Krons-Unknown Book set loophole.


i find it hard to agree with this since this exp boost weekend ive been grinding like crazy to lv different chars and not only did i lv them i also
found pretty good drops. one of them being 6ap warrior gloves which i
already sold.. and warrior gear is very expensive >.<
i suggest checking peoples hotel accounts and all chars to find an
irregular amount of Kron. then set it back to a more stable status?
idk but thats my opinion i would hate to lose my lvs and kron that i
earned.

[tazsbigtoy]

Me 2, I hope they can find a way to limit the damage, but this person or persons has pretty much crashed the game economy. I just talked to someone who put 56 white eggs up at a mil apiece while she went to eat and came back to find she had 56 million kron. I haven't set a shop up at all this weekend, so now I am poorer than ever, while with the sudden flood of kron everything is going to go way up in price. I hope whoever the person is they are happy with the mess they made and are still making.

[comp4ssion]

Me 2, I hope they can find a way to limit the damage, but this person or persons has pretty much crashed the game economy. I just talked to someone who put 56 white eggs up at a mil apiece while she went to eat and came back to find she had 56 million kron. I haven't set a shop up at all this weekend, so now I am poorer than ever, while with the sudden flood of kron everything is going to go way up in price. I hope whoever the person is they are happy with the mess they made and are still making.

And here I was hoping someone would buy my spare Sea People Pages for a measly 30k each.......

[karlac74]

I hope they can come up with a way to fix it, but it will really stink if they do a server rollback, I gained several levels with multiple characters, not to mention the loss of time on sparkcash items, which won't be available to help me if I have to redo the whole thing.


thats totally the way i feel. i remember that time when people started deleveling they gave them a 1day boost? that was not nearly enough
to compensate those who lost all that exp. and i know this time it is
not outsparks fault but it is not the whole communities either.. a rollback
would mean punishing everyone and i doubt that they will come up with a
way to give us back what we worked and the time and money wasted

[tazsbigtoy]

And here I was hoping someone would buy my spare Sea People Pages for a measly 30k each.......


Apparently you underpriced them, should have asked 3 mil each.

[kylrie]

My only concern would be:

I spend the whole weekend grinding. At least 4-5hours along with my buddy/guild mate.
I spend 16mil buying my scouts equip from different person/stranger (at low price)

Yes, and just 1 hour ago, someone bought everything in my afk store.

Am i suppossed to look at all these getting roll back?
I am willing to give up the millions gotten from un-reasonable sales, but i want my scout equip and exp intact. I got them by legal means.

If not, i seriously think i ought to deserve compensation -.-''
Not with 1D EXP boost please. I have 30 Days 100% boost already. Unless it is stackable =)

Pray the GM would resolve this issue without much damage done to all of us =)

[larachehade]

so what is gonna happen? i soo close to rogue?
should i stop lvling?

[staple]

so, the verdict is what?

[HeartlessKairi]

I seriously want to know what's going on as well.
THE COMMUNITY HAS CROSSED THE GREEDY LINE BECAUSE OF THIS HACKER.
FIRST IT WAS THE XENS THAT ARE INSANELY OVER 1MILL AND NOW THIS?
Ughhhh!!
[Sorry for my rudeness]
I can't buy even the gears I want for my soon to be lvl 80 Rogue.
I want this fix...PRONTO.

This is seriously getting on my nerves. -_-

[tazsbigtoy]

I really doubt we will know until it's done. I don't think it's helping that people are taking advantage of the situation either. I am (theoretically) at work, but I am hearing from friends on the game that people are setting up shops with massively inflated prices to get the kron. That's going to make it even harder to fix. The sad thing is I found 3 xens over the weekend and got 3 more at the event, so even with an item fix I stand to loose, not to mention I enhanced some gear.

[Daft_Brat]

As much as people are demanding a rollback I think that in the long run that will cause more people to leave. A lot of people worked their butts off because this was a boost weekend, got levels and items honestly and may have used sparkcash items. I really don't envy Outspark this problem but a rollback of everything wouldn't be fair on those not affected at all. Why should I lose my stuff and levels because someone hacked the game? Honestly I hope they find a different solution seeing as this is not our, as the customers, fault.

EDIT: Let me add this just as prospective, I grind in the lair for xens, a lot of people do. It's not hard if you're the right level to get into the double digits of xens so everyone calling for a rollback on everyone is saying that my xens are up for grabs? If the hours people spent farming different items and buying and selling gears go poof theres gonna be a big ticked off mob.

I'm trying to come from the other prospective just fyi. I don't agree that people should have gotten hundreds of millions of kron overnight but I most definitely don't agree that people who did nothing wrong should lose their hard work.

[kylrie]

A roll back can be done, without affecting exp.
Like i say, GM/Outsparks need to do something about this.

If a roll back got me back to 5x or 6x. I will go insane. -.-''

[Necronomicron]

if i loose anything bcs of it im quitting... >_>

no i didnt sell any xens or other stuff for outrageous # of kron

[tazsbigtoy]

I wonder if it's possible to look and see if anyone aquired unusually large amounts of kron or unusually large numbers of items over the weekend and just reset those things?

[techno-viking]

well it could be possible to trace the hacker(s) movements/purchases over the last 2 days, but then that would mean tracking what the sellers have bought and sold with the kron they got from the hacker, which would takes weeks if not months.

The main cause for concern for me is, that there could be 100+ people wandering around with 100's of mil now, and they will be able to buy just about anything and price others out of the game.

[syqueeness_]

i couldn't buy gear that i want ;_; .and i play like crazy these last weak cos almost start class back.if roll back n lose exp n item that i farm, idk what to say.maybe play after i graduate or find new game -.- .curse that hacker D:

[tazsbigtoy]

Yeah I understand, he's dumped millions of kron into the game and it's on different accounts and could give people a major advantage and drive the rest of us out of the game. It's just that rolling back the servers even on just kron and items will mean people may lose a lot. I was farming cobalt and getting quest items for 3 different quests. I know people who have farmed all weekend in the mines for polluted souls which they sold. I traded pyrostones for xen, found xen, farmed some decent gear. To lose all that because someone found a glitch or hacked a system and run wild will really make me mad. I wished I understood more on the mechanics of the game. Maybe a server wide search for transfers over a reasonable amount either of kron or of items is possible. It's unbelievable that a single person could create so much chaos. I guess I had rather lose my possessions than my exp. but i farmed a long time and almost had enough stuff to complete all three quests on two characters.

[johnbunny]

It is astounding that a single player created so much in-game turmoil and economy chaos. This is beyond ridiculous....i'm not even sure WHAT to say! I haven't logged in at ALL today for the sheer, disheartening fact that my grinding may result in vain! (EXP/items wise). And I have a 100% EXP boost book, too!...ugh...

[CM_JungleCurry]

The GM Team is currently investigating the issue.

[Necronomicron]

this is all messed up...
+ that hacker is rly stupid person, what is he even getting for it
not like he hacked a bank acc and got rl money >>

[HeartlessKairi]

As much as people are demanding a rollback I think that in the long run that will cause more people to leave. A lot of people worked their butts off because this was a boost weekend, got levels and items honestly and may have used sparkcash items. I really don't envy Outspark this problem but a rollback of everything wouldn't be fair on those not affected at all. Why should I lose my stuff and levels because someone hacked the game? Honestly I hope they find a different solution seeing as this is not our, as the customers, fault.

EDIT: Let me add this just as prospective, I grind in the lair for xens, a lot of people do. It's not hard if you're the right level to get into the double digits of xens so everyone calling for a rollback on everyone is saying that my xens are up for grabs? If the hours people spent farming different items and buying and selling gears go poof theres gonna be a big ticked off mob.

I'm trying to come from the other prospective just fyi. I don't agree that people should have gotten hundreds of millions of kron overnight but I most definitely don't agree that people who did nothing wrong should lose their hard work.

Totally agree with you Daftie ._.
I would quit if we got a rollback.


this is all messed up...
+ that hacker is rly stupid person, what is he even getting for it
not like he hacked a bank acc and got rl money >>

LOL!
That's so true Milve.
Whoever this guy is, it's ruining the community. ._.;

[stingstungme]

Looks like you guys have had a busy weekend. I've been working all weekend. I logged in for a few hours after i got off last night but spent all of my time fighting baddies. Only time i went to the city was to repot. I was totally unaware that this situation was going on the whole weekend.
I was also quite shocked to log in and see these green notices about a hacker. Since I have practically no defense and the monsters are blood red, i have been buying lots of SC pots.

I do remember seeing this morning that there would not be a rollback though.

I don't believe that I have ever had 100,000 kron at one time so i couldn't afford most of the drastically inflated items in the player shops. Now there might be one or several people who have exposed a weakness in the security of this site and inflated the prices even more? WOW!

All I can is my hands are clean and so is my conscience. I'm just going to sit and wait for karma to come around to those responsible.

In the meantime, back to the forest.

[TRXSTA]

It is an unenviable position to be in... punish the innocent or let the guilty - and as a result, the economy - go unchecked. There is no perfect solution. A rollback is clearly not a popular option, but what choice is there other than to reset the server back to pre-hacker state - once the hacker is found? How about you give solutions instead of threatening to quit? o_O

... Not a rhetorical question. >_>

Hackers hack because they can. For fun. To create problems. That's what he's getting out of it. :x

[comp4ssion]

The GM Team is currently investigating the issue.

Awesome....Please, for the love of Adeline, keep us posted!


this is all messed up...
+ that hacker is rly stupid person, what is he even getting for it
not like he hacked a bank acc and got rl money >>

He's getting the satisfaction of single-handedly causing unprecedented chaos across a server full of tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of players who just want to enjoy a game. Wrong, yes.



Hackers hack because they can. For fun. To create problems. That's what he's getting out of it. :x

Pretty much. And that's sad.

A couple of characters have been implicated, and if for some God-forsaken reason their accounts aren't perma-banned or deleted outright, well....we'll see a couple of walking bulls-eyes in PVP.

In the meantime, though, I'm going to have to suspend all my gear transactions until this problem is resolved. I, for one, will not let some stupid hacker who has nothing better to do than mess up a game server stop me from accomplishing my in-game goals or make me want to quit.

[xyangster]

I understand frustration with potential server rollback. I got 6 lvls on my aco yesterday, and before that I was soloing. So not terribly enthused here either.

However, as it is right now, SoS economy is totally haywire, and the effects of that will only propagate over time to affect everyone. It's not a matter of who's innocent and who's not, because ultimately, even though I didn't vend a thing this weekend, I can't imagine staying on in a game with a collapsed economy.

Deal with the hacker and institute server rollback please. I can't be confident about the economy (and thus won't be buying gears, selling gears, leveling chars that need good gears, etc.) any other way.

[MarvHartigan]

ooook... this is not fun... it seems a server rollback is the best course of action, I hope exp is not affected by it I didnt play saturday but I grinded my a$$ off on sunday to get from like 50-ish% to 98% ...I dont mind giving up kron and items, the only expensive thing I sold was a satisfaction armor and they r expensive themselves and it was on friday or thursday... but let the exp there for the love of god !!! D:

maybe a temporary solution could be shut down the server, so greedy players stops making shops with ubber high prices on cheap things while they investigate the issue.

Adios!

[halfdan]

I'm hoping that Outspark can do something about it, and that DNC does not have to get involved, or else this whole thing might take a really long time...

[BloodLimit]

The solution involves the DNC, the GM's can't do anything about this at this rate. I knew something like this was bound to happen, if big games like WoW, PSU and FFXI can be hacked, a simple game like SoS is a piece of cake for those hackers.

A quick solution for this problems is creating a new shop system, one that displays the SELLER and the BUYER to keep it recorded on the server.

Right now either two things might happen, and is a server rollback or character deletion. Either way many players might quit, but having a server rollback wont do much harm if they offer a good weekboost + raising the time on the books.

[halfdan]

By the way, the mystery buyer was me. Using my knowledge of alchemy I discovered how to transmute potatoes into xen stones.

[Julia1]

I agree, it's fairly messed up. the economy is totally destroyed at the moment, with so much money injected into the economy it will flow on to everyone, prices will be 10 times higher and will never fully stabalize. in that respect a item rollback seems the best option (somehow i think itt's impossible for them to keep track of every single kron transaction, so they only have data from the last backup). the loss of some peoplles farming is unfortunate, but in the long run that's better to lose some hours farming, then to have farmed something but now kron is worthless so your farming is now worthless.

if possible keeping the exp as it is would be good, meaning that people that grinded hard for a few lvls will be able to keep their work. the main effect of the hacking is destroying the economy, with negligable effect on exp (besides a few unknown books), thus IMHO we should roll back the items/kron, but keep the exp gained over the weekend.

[comp4ssion]

I guess if I was awarded an extra week on my current book and a one-week, 100% EXP boost, I could deal with a server reset. Looking back on it, I'd lose about 80% (which is pretty much an all-day-and-evening solid grind these days)...and I'd also lose any chance I had of getting Pope Hat by New Year's (which was my goal...and without a rollback, I still might make it). Hurtful? Yes. Necessary...perhaps.

Now if the server got rolled back so far that I lost all the gear I bought earlier this week....I don't know what I'd do. I doubt I'd quit but...well, I'd be ticked. All thanks to some hacker who has no idea what a real "gaming community" is (which in and of itself is what's kept me playing).

[masterroku]

There's nothing hear that can be said that has already been said....except for the fact that I'm REALLY looking forward to becoming SIN, I'm a level 97 rogue waiting for 2 people to come back from their vacations, PLEASE dont take this away from me. -_-

[Dark_Onyx]

Yeah.... if the servers were restored to the last pre-hacker files that would be the best. Sure it would suck for some people.... don't worry about the exp lost... if it was gained once it can be gained again. If the exp isn't rolled back then the people who used the illicit krons to buy unknown books and other exp gaining items will be at a major advantage and.. yeah. In the long run, it is up to the gm's and the people who run this game what happens, and whatever they do it will be done or not done for a reason. I think the best thing we can do is to give the gm's time to figure this stuff out and to HELP in whatever way we can. As for the posts and shouts implicating some users, we have no way to tell if they actually were behind it until when and if the gm's let us know. It is very easy to implicate someone, and the mob mentality we are all getting isnt aiding the situation at all. Once again we should all be supportive of the gm's and the people who run this game, they have a very difficult and not fun task ahead of them that will result in people being upset no matter what happens.

[Muchiko]

Oh wow =\
This happened in another game I played before, but the exploit of the bug was much bigger.
The people in charge of the game decided to only fix the bug. Result? Chaos.
Everyone started selling the enhancing jewels for the max price available to get some money.
Others saved the money and when the prices of the jewels lowered they started buying again raising the price.

Just be glad the bug was not "leaked".

[fjskl2442]

Bernie Madoff was bored during his house arrest, so he hacked into the game to bide his time hahahaha.

The RL global financial crisis has hit solstice. :P

[diedwithoutasoul]

They can't rollback...I would lose so much progress....the only thing I can think of is....nothing -.- I'm at a loss for words...I was wondering why the U-books jumped to 1mil....this is insane T.T

[Maxout]

ummmm......wth is going on ive been on but i am always afk, i have a archer but i am taking a break from him to make a temp i went afk again and put some 4ap gear up for sell i come back i have over 1mill i didn't do the math i though it was kool until i heard of some body hacking SOS. now the economy is going crazy ppl have warp and return scroll for over 1mill

i am like *** now i am afraid of vending to make kron for my temp so they need to fix this asap so i can make my kron for my temps gear(still need 23 more lvl till 66 ><):confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek:

p.s. u book was being sold for over 1 mill by a squire last night i wanted to buy 5 sets for archer to get to lvl 85:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Dark_Onyx]

ok... to all those who are saying that they will lose a lot of progress... think of it like this... would you rather lose exp or pay insane prices for gear and xen and... everything in the future

[ggBuRNe]

to be honest, exp is rather hard to obtain.. requires time, dedication and hard work.. Xens can be obtained from event and PoX next month.. while gears can be obtained from drops.. Price will drop eventually if no one wants to buy that particular item..

Rollback will cause massive problem to some players.. All they have to do is find the hacker and delete/ban him for good.. The economy will stabilize later on..

[Maxout]

ok... to all those who are saying that they will lose a lot of progress... think of it like this... would you rather lose exp or pay insane prices for gear and xen and... everything in the future

i rather lose exp only if they give me a couple (at least 2 more days just to cover this weekend only if they do a roll back on the server) more day on my 30 day 100% exp boost book back

[kylrie]

i dont mind losing my krons but the exp gained (4lvls) over the weekend are important
-.-

the passion to re-grind again would not be there.
Whoever is in charge, please assist.

*note: i dont have so much leave off from work for games*
this is making me sad =(

[techno-viking]

to be honest, exp is rather hard to obtain.. requires time, dedication and hard work.. Xens can be obtained from event and PoX next month.. while gears can be obtained from drops.. Price will drop eventually if no one wants to buy that particular item..

Rollback will cause massive problem to some players.. All they have to do is find the hacker and delete/ban him for good.. The economy will stabilize later on..

I agree rollback would be bad....however they must remove the excess kron that the hacker put into the economy, otherwise everytime someone is selling something at a resonable price, one of the people who benefited from the hacker will buy up the item(s) and resell them at a higher price.... ive already seen one person doing it...just watch for someone shouting for xens at 1.1-1.2 mil each and then take a look at his/her shop to see.

[BloodLimit]

to be honest, exp is rather hard to obtain.. requires time, dedication and hard work.. Xens can be obtained from event and PoX next month.. while gears can be obtained from drops.. Price will drop eventually if no one wants to buy that particular item..

Rollback will cause massive problem to some players.. All they have to do is find the hacker and delete/ban him for good.. The economy will stabilize later on..

It haven't stabilized yet due to those over-priced xen stones, I can't see how billions of krons can fade away in a few years. These hackers hacked the server, they could always create a new account and do it all over again. Rollback is the way to go, if they can make a rollback without xp loss it would be better though.

[Maxout]

It haven't stabilized yet due to those over-priced xen stones, I can't see how billions of krons can fade away in a few years. These hackers hacked the server, they could always create a new account and do it all over again. Rollback is the way to go, if they can make a rollback without xp loss it would be better though.

he right if they do decide to do a roll back even with exp loss it the only way to go

[Dark_Onyx]

however.... what if it wasnt a hacker o.o what if a few chars just put their krons together and decided to mess with the game....

[masterroku]

however.... what if it wasnt a hacker o.o what if a few chars just put their krons together and decided to mess with the game....

I highly doubt that...IF that was the case, then it would be the most expensive joke in-game EVER!!!

[himoses]

I hope they can fix this without a rollback of experience. Heck, I gained 3 levels with my 4x neo, 3 levels with my 3x neo farmer, 1 level with my lvl 6x aco, and 30% for my lvl 96 warrior. I even had two ap 6 drops and 2 xens plus the 9 I got during the events this weekend. Everybody grinds like crazy on an experience boost week. Christmas time is the time where more people have more time off than any time in the year and now it is potentially wasted. I will back off from my emo moment stating that I would quit if there was not a rollback, but I am still mad. I might just sit out a while (which means Outspark won’t get my money unfortunately). I still think a rollback is best, but any solution will be painful.

I think we need to list some other alternative to stabilize the economy in case a rollback is not possible. We all know that Outspark is not the most advanced gaming company on earth and they might not have the technology, planning, safeguards, etc. to do it.

Here are some of my thoughts for economic recovery:

We need kron sinks. There is too much money on the market right now, and that is before this fiasco. I think that a starter might be to create an npc to sell special one-time use items in Brynhild or all cities. Some potential items can be 1 hour candies, chocolate, or maybe an item called “Bubbly” that looks like a champagne bottle for New Years. Since money would be going into an NPC, that would have a minor effect on limiting cash in the market while giving us the stat increases we all seek to make leveling easier. An easier solution to this might be having the craziest multi-city event for New Years where GM’s can vend special items. I know quite a few people that have well over $100 million kron, and I suspect there are a few that have close to a billion. Buying these special items would eliminate some kron, but this would be on a smaller scale than an NPC and I am sure it would tax the GM’s to their limits. Heck, people whine enough when they don’t get Xens in an event when they have been told 30 times to get close and not move.

There could also be a “luxury tax” where people over a certain amount of kron have to pay a tax. I don’t like this but it is a possibility.

This was my favorite idea of my own (if someone thought of I give you the props). There could be a one-time ap 6, class specific quest for a player to get an equipped gear enhanced to ap 6. This quest would have a cost that would be dependent on level. This would have a downward price on ap 6 gears, create a higher supply, anger a lot of high level players, and make it easier for lower level players. However, try being a squire and getting an ap 6 trial gear now. I mean, come on. When I was a 40+ lvl squire in May, I paid 1.5 million for my ap 6 +1 Trial Armor. It took me two months of playing and selling to get to that point. Now, the same armor is 6-12 million. Even ap 4 armor is ridiculous. As a warrior, I can just grind in the library to pay the horrible costs of lvl 96 equipment (~100 million for lvl 96 equipment). I suspect this will cause a particularly steep decrease in lower level armor. I think that this would help the higher levels who struggle with a desperate shortage of ap 6 lvl 96+ gears. Xen prices would go back up. I think high priced xens are okay in the interim. They are one of the few kron sinks we have at the moment with leather and fairy powder. Each are consumable and have the effect of taking kron off the market. Having a xen farm and events should help keep xen prices from going over 2 million.

There has to be some better suggestions. Thoughts?

[Necronomicron]

to be honest, exp is rather hard to obtain.. requires time, dedication and hard work.. Xens can be obtained from event and PoX next month.. while gears can be obtained from drops.. Price will drop eventually if no one wants to buy that particular item..

Rollback will cause massive problem to some players.. All they have to do is find the hacker and delete/ban him for good.. The economy will stabilize later on..

I agree, rollback could cause many people to leave and thats what they dont want the most.
Yeah if this dont happen again economy would get back to normal in some time,
idk maybe don't do events with xen prizes or something.
I think they should focus the most on how to prevent that from happening again instead of trying things such as rollback.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Ouch, i just about to make a come back in game and what i see is a post about someone hacking this game. I think i will wait until this problem resolve.

If they do a Rollback, lot of people will probably quit is the Rollback imply exp loss and items. Even if they do a Rollback, that dosen't mean you will recover every item and exp you loss by this method.

I noticed a lot more of Hackers in Fiesta too, might be careful in Fiesta now too.

[shockerz]

Maybe they should sell that item that only GM's have..it looks like a crown or something and has like the +50,000 max hp/mp..etcetc..

And if you buy it, it'll cost like..a lot of kron..and it'll be activated for your use on a certain date..and it never gets activated..and people will lose atleast some of the kron they gained from this mess? idk :(

[Thompsonn]

The economy won't get better over time.. if there's 50 billion kron in the whole economy right now.. there will always be 50 billion kron unless people decide to buy things from NPC and then delete them.. The kron in the economy will also increase as people will get drops and sell them to NPCs

If GMs or NPCs sell items for high prices, that's just unfair to everyone who didn't benefit from the 'shopping spree'.. The poor will stay poor, and the rich will just only get richer (from buying and reselling)

[fjskl2442]

Chillax people. It's only a game.......this hardly deserves being categorized as a crisis...unless you live in a hole.

[dakidda913]

lol there wont always be 50 billion kron... kron gets spent... new drops are found

[dylanangel]

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