Killing lower levels in abyss

[vampyrio]

I believe outspark should make the level requirements smaller. Such as have an abyss for every 5 levels. Itd make it more fair and it'd open up more room for people to kill mobs. But the main topic is, what do you think and how do you feel when you a) get killed buy a higher level repeatedly or b) kill a noob, and their begging for you to stop. I believe the 5 lvl requirement would help out this.

[fireyair]

Okay, i understand people might want the 10 level abyss back but switching abyss every 5 levels is ridiculus.

I personally think that abyss should remain a "danger" zone where it may be dangerous to come in no matter who you are. good EXP but make a wrong move and your dead, that's the way to limit the number of people entering abyss at a time.



Peace:cool:

[neolancer]

when you lvl the exp in the abyss starts to suck BIG TIME so the only way to keep lvling fast is to go to higher lvl abyss, but then theres the problem with noobs killing you

[ptpmiscool]

they should keep abyss how it is geting lots of exp and drops r good but its too easy so u need a danger so HA

[whitelion318]

no the caps are fine as they are .. i mean if your getting killed and you dotn wanna lose exp well dont go there .. find a new spot i mean there are plenty of maps around the server. and if your getting killed get help from a friend or go to a lower lvl abyss use your guild or sumthing

[neolancer]

no the caps are fine as they are .. i mean if your getting killed and you dotn wanna lose exp well dont go there .. find a new spot i mean there are plenty of maps around the server. and if your getting killed get help from a friend or go to a lower lvl abyss use your guild or sumthing

abyss is the fastest way to lvl, which is why most people go to them. end of discussion =3

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

great >.> another post about abyss lvl restrictions XD

there's A TON on this discussion section ._.

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

haha discussion section rhymed XDDD

[neolancer]

=o coooooool xD

[Celtic_Princess]

no the caps are fine as they are .. i mean if your getting killed and you dotn wanna lose exp well dont go there .. find a new spot i mean there are plenty of maps around the server. and if your getting killed get help from a friend or go to a lower lvl abyss use your guild or sumthing

So you're saying a 16 level difference between players is...fair? How do you figure that?

The thing about going to a lower abyss is that by the time you reach a level where they dont bug you...you don't get anything out of it. So its pointless.

A large number of people have stopped going there...so now its strictly PKers and PKKers. I think, while 5 may be more fair, the old level restrictions would do just fine.

[neolancer]

So you're saying a 16 level difference between players yers is...fair? How do you figure that?

sometimes its fair, i've seen a lvl 43 fighter killed a lvl 50 cleric

[Celtic_Princess]

sometimes its fair, i've seen a lvl 43 fighter killed a lvl 50 cleric

Thats not 16 levels. Pair up a lvl 36 anything against a lvl 20 and 99% of the time I guarantee the outcome will be in favor of the lvl 36. 7 levels between a cleric and a fighter is nothing...a spr build cleric has low def and low hp. 1 stun from a DD fighter should be all thats necessary to take one out.

[neolancer]

it depends on the classes. if its a 36 cleric against a 20 fighter it could be a tie unless they both have +9's

[Celtic_Princess]

it depends on the classes. if its a 36 cleric against a 20 fighter it could be a tie unless they both have +9's

I disagree here, the vast difference in power, defense, and skills between those levels makes it totally unbalanced. not to mention a 30+ characters ability to access t3 scrolls. It doesn't matter what class the lvl 36 is, the lvl 20 doesn't stand a chance.

[neolancer]

true t3's do make it unfair

[Kyo_Sama]

only in the level 20 abyss...

which is why people need to go read the old update from last year

1-30 can be done on quest alone.

so why bother wiith the abyss to begin with.

[Celtic_Princess]

only in the level 20 abyss...

which is why people need to go read the old update from last year

1-30 can be done on quest alone.

so why bother wiith the abyss to begin with.

Because it can be fun to have a new map to access once you reach that level, its a new area to explore. And this doesn't only occur in the lvl 20 abyss, theres still a vast power difference between a lvl 56 and a lvl 40.

Yes, it can be done on quests alone, but once you reach 20 its fun to be able to branch out and explore a new area. You've been stuck in FoM, SoG, Sand Beach and FoT for a while...theres a whole lot more to the game.

[Kyo_Sama]

the difference in a level 56 what and 40 what. you realize that a 56 cleric versus a 40 fighter can result in a loss for the 56 cleric. been there done that myself.

its not about levels its about the class balance, and the player competency. Which seems to be lacking on both ends now.

I really do miss competent players, now its just lets complain and moan till something is fixed. How about they just move on and grind it out old school like the rest of us did before abyss even existed.

[neolancer]

Because it can be fun to have a new map to access once you reach that level, its a new area to explore. And this doesn't only occur in the lvl 20 abyss, theres still a vast power difference between a lvl 56 and a lvl 40.

Yes, it can be done on quests alone, but once you reach 20 its fun to be able to branch out and explore a new area. You've been stuck in FoM, SoG, Sand Beach and FoT for a while...theres a whole lot more to the game.

not only is there a difference between 56 and 40 but also 6x and 5x even if its a lvl 60 against a lvl 59 theres a huge different. the armor, weapons, and new skills

[Celtic_Princess]

the difference in a level 56 what and 40 what. you realize that a 56 cleric versus a 40 fighter can result in a loss for the 56 cleric. been there done that myself.

its not about levels its about the class balance, and the player competency. Which seems to be lacking on both ends now.

I really do miss competent players, now its just lets complain and moan till something is fixed. How about they just move on and grind it out old school like the rest of us did before abyss even existed.

There are a ton of quests through the 50s now. Its easy to get up there, I'll agree with that. Part of it depends on build too. I didn't lose to a fighter lower than me until I reached 70 on my cleric, and then I started getting KO'd by DDs with excessively long stuns XD

How about a same class example then. Place a lvl 40 DD against a lvl 56 DD and who do you think would come out on top? A lvl 40 mage against a lvl 56 mage? The only same class example where I don't see anything happening is cleric v cleric...and again that assuming they're all typical builds.

Again, I really dont mind the pvp aspect, but I don't think the level gap between the players should be as vast as it is currently. In many cases, especially at lower levels, this is an incredible power gap. Even now at 74 with a high end build my cleric can be taken down pretty fast by an 86 fighter...and I've been here over a year, I'm more than competent at playing my character. Its just a balance issue..put me up against an 80 fighter and I may stand a chance at fighting long enough for him to lose interest. >.>

I am not saying that PvP should be removed, I am not saying the abyss' are completely broken, I'm not even saying that its a grinding map. I'm saying that the current level gap is too wide to be considered fair in most cases.

When I first started playing most players (with the exception of a few who just went on rampages) would ask for a 1v1, if they were more than 5 levels above they played with a handicap, and just about everyone considered spawn killing those well below them a cowardly act. Its funny how in just a year that seems to have completely disappeared.

Perhaps I'm just nostalgic for those days, but I agree that most players now are not competent..and this includes a number of higher levels. My definition of competency doesn't just include the ability to play a character though, it includes a players ability to interact with...well other players.

Yesterday, as a 55 fighter I walked into the lvl 4x abyss (the last time I was there there were fighters at my current level killing lower levels, I thought I would find a decent fight there). No one there was at a level where they could fight me...so I sat around and talked for a while. A 2x archer comes in (yeah, yeah I know...he shouldn't be in there)...immediately several players stopped fighting those their own level and went straight for him. He was doing nothing more than standing there. I killed those players...as a response I got "what was that for? you're higher than me!!!" I find that a tad hypocritical, as I was much closer to their level than they were to his.

My issue is that the abyss, and in some cases the FBZ has ceased to become a place to test your skills and abilities as a player...and instead has developed a 'lets pick on the little guy' mentality.

Eh, sorry for the rant. I'm trying to explain myself...I like your questions, and I like how they counter my own points ^^ its fun to come across someone who, instead of getting irritable, actually presents good arguements :)

[senkitan]

sometimes its fair, i've seen a lvl 43 fighter killed a lvl 50 cleric

how does its fair fighter killing a cleric, most clerics cant even fight back with only 2 offensive skills and low dmg

[neolancer]

i have a cleric and in a war today i went down by a 7x fighter with a +9 axe. i mean with the stun and all even my hp stones were nothing. besides clerics have and ok def stat and clerics do NOT have low damage a cleric hit me for 500 with bash

[Celtic_Princess]

i have a cleric and in a war today i went down by a 7x fighter with a +9 axe. i mean with the stun and all even my hp stones were nothing. besides clerics have and ok def stat and clerics do NOT have low damage a cleric hit me for 500 with bash

If you're going to use that as an example, please include your clerics level, as well as the other clerics level. Also, don't forget to ask them if they are full str (I generally only CRIT 500+ on those around my level..I'm not full str, but partial), and whether or not they are charmed :)

[neolancer]

my cleric is 62 but i had no armor on and i did the same on my fighter with armor and got hit for 200+

[Celtic_Princess]

my cleric is 62 but i had no armor on and i did the same on my fighter with armor and got hit for 200+

Try it with your armor on, not many people wander the abyss naked. :p

[neolancer]

Try it with your armor on, not many people wander the abyss naked. :p

well its fun being in abyss naked =3

[lilrob2oo9]

omg I use to love pvping in the abyss....im srry for people who don't like pvp in the abyss but the reactions you get from people when you kill them is priceless so FUNNY..they get so mad and start cursing; its just one big LOL..PVP ABYSS = EPIC FUN...

My mage lilrob2oo9 >>>>> guilty as charged

[devin_nicolai]

Um killing is fun :/

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

Thats not 16 levels. Pair up a lvl 36 anything against a lvl 20 and 99% of the time I guarantee the outcome will be in favor of the lvl 36. 7 levels between a cleric and a fighter is nothing...a spr build cleric has low def and low hp. 1 stun from a DD fighter should be all thats necessary to take one out.

hahaha i pwned that 1% chance rule but weon had to use charms and cs pots Q.Q but HEeeeeeeeeeeeeeey it's fair isnt it ? XDDDDDDDDDD

Try it with your armor on, not many people wander the abyss naked. :p

im always naked in abysss O:!!!!!!!!!!!! *cough* speedo >=D

[neolancer]

hahaha i pwned that 1% chance rule but weon had to use charms and cs pots Q.Q but HEeeeeeeeeeeeeeey it's fair isnt it ? XDDDDDDDDDD



im always naked in abysss O:!!!!!!!!!!!! *cough* speedo >=D

yeah anything goes in a fight ;o

[drakspuppy]

I have a couple of ideas to help this one.

Either take the loss of exp away from being killed by pvp.

Or you could make it like a trade request where you have to ask them to pvp.

If you want to great if you don't so be it.

It is obvious by now that some people just enjoy being nasty, it should not be punitive to those who don't want to or are too low leveled to be attacked by a lvl80 fighter.

If you are too low level for the abyss that you are in .....the mobs will get you anyways.


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[EriAeris]

yeah... when me and my friends were in the 50s abyss... some higher levels jumped us and stole our loot >,<