PVP Fighters are Over Powerd at PVP

[desert11b]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: how can a mage-archer-healer kill a fighter win thay do more damage then a archer and thay can take way more damge then any one
any one know if thay will nerf or make the rest of us a lil stronger ?

[neolancer]

no offense but mages hit hard since fighters have like super low mdef. besides fighters aren't that tough to kill

[Lord_Gan]

even if mages hit hard, mages have little chance at getting a good place in pvp

[desert11b]

thats a lie u wont die u us dev and then u have 5secs to just unlode and that normaly kill any one

[desert11b]

any one will aggrey that an axe fighter is over powerd and its not fare its rilly not fare

[neolancer]

it is fair, i've been hit by a mage and lost a good deal of hp

[neolancer]

but then i've killed a great deal of mages, but i only attack when attacked

[neolancer]

thats a lie u wont die u us dev and then u have 5secs to just unlode and that normaly kill any one

dev doesn't always stun, and i agree dev sucks, i've been hit by dev from higher lvl fighters when i was just trying to lvl in abyss and it sucks, but the only way to not die is to run or kill them : kill or be killed follow that motto

[desert11b]

ok so u got hit by a mage and it did a bit of damage but u hit that mage and u probubly did 75% of his hp in 1 hit its haponed way to much to archers and mages.

[neolancer]

no i actually 1 hit the mage but thats not the deal (btw it was a 1.5k crit) and at 60 mages get fear which really makes fighters useless at least for a few seconds that is then we kill you if we don't die

[helicopterko]

im not a high lv fighter or anything [only lv 26(i didnt play for like 5 months, and im to talkative to grind efficiently)] but i do know that i have a heck of a time killing clerics and mages... archers are um at a disadvantage :D.

[neolancer]

trust me heli clerics go down fast when stunned and so do archer unless they're scrolled like crazy

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

ok so u got hit by a mage and it did a bit of damage but u hit that mage and u probubly did 75% of his hp in 1 hit its haponed way to much to archers and mages.

i assume u havent reached the late stages of pvp yet (60+)...since u seriously underestimate mages. the mage skill fear actually works much like devastate, they both disable the target for a few seconds. in addition, fear can be chain casted, meaning double the disabled time. mages hit fighters hard, and when chain feared, fighters in most cases will go down easily b4 even landing a single hit on the mage. clerics and archers are naturally bad at pvp, since pvp is about dishing out large amounts of dmg in a very short time (something mages and fighters are good at). clerics just simply cant do enough dmg to kill most opponents, simply because their skills are built around support (only 2 attck skills), while archers rely more on slowly dealing dmg over a long amount of time (easily countered with stones).

[neolancer]

yeah fear is a good move but attack to kill and not just watch the person run around because, once fear is over they come straight for you

[cracken]

mages hit hard :/

[strawrberry]

The idea is once you've cast fear, you dish out as much as you can.

[neolancer]

mages don't hit hard, my fighter is lvl 56 and a 7x mage hit about 200 on me when my normal hp is 2.2k so a quick dev and barrage of attacks will finish off a mage

[shane3x]

mages don't hit hard, my fighter is lvl 56 and a 7x mage hit about 200 on me when my normal hp is 2.2k so a quick dev and barrage of attacks will finish off a mage

There's something seriously wrong with this. Under normal circumstances unless the mage is using like a level 1 spell and you have charms and what not this scenario will never happen.

[A_geezy]

hehe 35spr in the build +decent Spr/godly End/ godly Str gears = mage killer

as for archers... lmao see my siggy for the answer to them

clerics? lol I have fun going to fbz with the lvl 8X clerics in my guild; a fighter with devastate should be able to beat a cleric relatively easily; even if deva doesn't stick a stun on them it's not like they'll deal enough damage to finish you off.

so yeah, fighters are totally overpowered in PvP; but those of us who were playing before extenders and the widespread use of +9's can remind everybody that this game wasn't really designed (at least not originally) for PvP... If you wanna see what (in my opinion) the developers had in mind for fiesta, get a party with one cleric, one fighter, two mages, and one archer and witness the devastation you guys can do... Fighters are there to protect the DDs while being a DD themeselves, Clerics protect the fighters and it's really a beautiful thing... but PvP accross the classes? Fighters FTW every time.

[neolancer]

well it might be because most of my hits were crits but if he never attacked me first i couldn't have attacked back.

[wolfgang87]

Look at this in fractions O.o. A plain melee attack from a fighter pretty much takes out 1/3 and others can take out more than 1/2. Meanwhile, even though mages hit hard, they only take out about 1/5 of the fighter's health with their strongest attack (@ lvl 30 at least). Much less if they are using +9's (which is WAY to standard among the pkers in abyss). Fighters have plenty of time to stone/pot, mages don't.

[neolancer]

they do when they run <.<

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

O_O"

i hate stun >.>
i go BOOM when fighters hit me

then they unleash O_O" their awesome power XD

im scared of fighters wiff axes XD even if they are lower lvl then me ._.
ive been scarred for life
;-;

lol jk ._." ive killed fighters before...
thank god for fear >.>

[neolancer]

when or if you fear me you better make sure i die, if i don't your dead

[Kyo_Sama]

thread title is epic win.

lets try this

PvP mage is OP at PvP ...
PvP archer is OP at PvP ...
PvP cleric is OP at PvP ...

hmmm sounds like if they are PvP statted they should be perfect for PvP

[zues8844]

thats a lie u wont die u us dev and then u have 5secs to just unlode and that normaly kill any one

Untrue. If I max duration on deva AND concussive charge, I can stun you up to 16 seconds =D

[neolancer]

why is everyone down on fighters and stun? when infact they have skills that can make us useless as well

[zues8844]

Because they're jealous. Duh. And only mages have skills that make us useless, but they get 1 later in the game (60), and one VERY late in the game (79-ish?). We get our first stun at 11, then our coolest and most damaging stun at 43. You wonder why they're mad?

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

mages don't hit hard, my fighter is lvl 56 and a 7x mage hit about 200 on me when my normal hp is 2.2k so a quick dev and barrage of attacks will finish off a mage

a 5x mage with a +9 weapon and int build will do more dmg than a 7x mage with a +0 weapon and end build most likely. u cant generalize based on that experience. a 7x mage designed for pvp will have a +9 weapon and int build, and i promise, thats more than 200 dmg on u.



Untrue. If I max duration on deva AND concussive charge, I can stun you up to 16 seconds =D

this is incorrect actually, those two skills share cooldowns, so u either use one or the other, not both, and as most people know, most fighters choose devastate (if u could stack the stuns of the two skills, u could keep ur opponent in an infinite chain stun, which is just stupid). concussive charge is really a temporary substitute until 43, at which it becomes completely forgotten.

[neolancer]

well if you have a t3 mdef scroll the damage would be less but not by much and enhanced armor helps a little

[Kyo_Sama]

Because they're jealous. Duh. And only mages have skills that make us useless, but they get 1 later in the game (60), and one VERY late in the game (79-ish?). We get our first stun at 11, then our coolest and most damaging stun at 43. You wonder why they're mad?

60 fear, 60 chain cast, 74 stiffle, 79 spell steal... upper tier PvP moves.

lets not forget the lower tier mana burn at like 40- ish

[neolancer]

mana burn is lvl 37 or around that lvl and stop complaining a fighter with no sp is like a mage with no sp can't do anything

[devin_nicolai]

no offense but mages hit hard since fighters have like super low mdef. besides fighters aren't that tough to kill

Depends, Imagine your a pure int mage, you see a fighter, pure end +9 gears and a +9 axe o:

mana burn is lvl 37 or around that lvl and stop complaining a fighter with no sp is like a mage with no sp can't do anything

Acually im lv 7x for your information( hah ign name w/e)
The skill is lv 31, Duh o:


60 fear, 60 chain cast, 74 stiffle, 79 spell steal... upper tier PvP moves.

lets not forget the lower tier mana burn at like 40- ish

Mana burn is lv 31, stifle is at 73, geez people learn more about mages

[sonicweilder]

way to post like 10 posts neo loll
and btw
fighters can be killed,
but can take a lot and deal a lot too

[pamiras]

mm... personal point of view... why are mages weaker than fighters in PVP. (in PVP KQ at least)

let's make some comparison:

Mage: Lowest physical defense, Lowest HP, Lowest amount of HP stones.
Fighter: Lowest magical defense, Highest HP, Highest amount of HP stones.

mages have the disadvantage of low HP, and the amount of hp of 1 HP stone recovery is depended on the max amount of HP the character has without buff or scroll. so even if the mage and the fighter deals the same amount of damage on each other, the mage would always die faster. (in PVP KQ you can only use HP and SP stones for recovery, or you can hide in ur house and with no one kill you while you're hiding...)

and in here I'm not putting low physical def as disadvantage because we all know that by enhancing armours, we can get more physical def, but magical def remains the same. (so ya I guess if you're playing a mage and you wanna win against fighters you better be rich..)

let's look at their "disabling" skills:

Mage: Drain mind (Fear) @ Lvl 60 with max duration 3+3 sec, cool down 1 min 30 sec; Stifle @ Lvl 73 cool down 1 min; Chain Cast @ Lvl 60 cool down 4 min; Mana Burn @ Lvl 31 cool down 3 min. (Sorry I haven't been able to cool down any of my mage's disabling skills dur to skill point shortage -.-)
Fighter: Devastate @ Lvl 43 with max duration 10+3 sec, max cool down 20-6 sec.

ok, so mages get more disabling skills at their higher lvls... but in a 20 minutes PVP KQ, how many times can they use those skills with all the long cool down time? which the fighter can stun them every 14 seconds (assuming the mage hasnt die from the first stun.. or the first deva didn't stun him...)

I only have a lvl 6x fighter atm... not too sure about what's the PVP KQ is like in the lvl 75-89. I used extender (50%) in 1 PVP KQ, fought with a mage same lvl as me with extender (50%) and with cookie charmed, he managed to get my HP down to about 1/3 before I caught up to him and killed him before the stun wears off... and.. well I'd say we're both pretty much DD build... I know he has at least a +9 armor, not sure about the rest... >.<

[devin_nicolai]

A wall I can read o.o

[buntd]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: how can a mage-archer-healer kill a fighter win thay do more damage then a archer and thay can take way more damge then any one
any one know if thay will nerf or make the rest of us a lil stronger ?

make a pure dex build nd watch them miss :D

[wiiziix]

Face it, fighter's are the most overpowered in pvp and everything, the stun is just overpowered with it's cool down and everything compared to mages fear.. so.. yeah, mage's find it hard to kill in pvp

[kwadjo12]

fear should have the same cooldown as stun! :(

[kwadjo12]

mages fear should disable stone use again

[DF001]

mm... personal point of view... why are mages weaker than fighters in PVP. (in PVP KQ at least)

let's make some comparison:

Mage: Lowest physical defense, Lowest HP, Lowest amount of HP stones, More PvP oriented skills, More AoE skills
Fighter: Lowest magical defense, Highest HP, Highest amount of HP stones, Less PvP oriented skills, Less AoE skills

mages have the disadvantage of low HP, and the amount of hp of 1 HP stone recovery is around 50% of their base/extendered base HP. so even if the mage and the fighter deals the same amount of damage on each other, the mage would always die faster. (in PVP KQ you can only use HP and SP stones for recovery, or you can hide in ur house and with no one kill you while you're hiding...)

and in here I'm not putting low physical def as disadvantage because we all know that by enhancing armours, we can get more physical def, but magical def remains the same. (so ya I guess if you're playing a mage and you wanna win against fighters you better be rich..)

let's look at their "disabling" skills:

Mage: Drain mind (Fear) @ Lvl 60 with max duration 3+3 sec, cool down 1 min 30 sec; Stifle @ Lvl 73 cool down 1 min; Chain Cast @ Lvl 60 cool down 4 min; Mana Burn @ Lvl 31 cool down 3 min. Dispel @ Level 25 @ lvl 79 ''Buff steal'', @ Idk what level you get Purge (Sorry I haven't been able to cool down any of my mage's disabling skills dur to skill point shortage -.-)
Fighter: Devastate @ Lvl 43 with max duration 5+3 sec, max cool down 20-6 sec.

ok, so mages get more disabling skills at their higher lvls... but in a 20 minutes PVP KQ, how many times can they use those skills with all the long cool down time? which the fighter can stun them every 14 seconds (High quantity and high quantity beat low quantity and high quality) (assuming the mage hasnt die from the first stun.. or the first deva didn't stun him...)

I only have a lvl 6x fighter atm... not too sure about what's the PVP KQ is like in the lvl 75-89. I used extender (50%) in 1 PVP KQ, fought with a mage same lvl as me with extender (50%) and with cookie charmed, he managed to get my HP down to about 1/3 before I caught up to him and killed him before the stun wears off... and.. well I'd say we're both pretty much DD build... I know he has at least a +9 armor, not sure about the rest... >.<

I fixed that for you.

[Lazyrogue]

Thank you BK for making eva on archers completely useless D:>

[mia099]

Fighters r over powered compared to any other class just because they have the highest def,hp,and power and including that increase attack strengh and deva which makes them even more deadly. The only time i have ever seen a mage beat a fighter 1v1 is usually the mage has a extenor and cookied but not always cause as soon as stun hits mages and archers r pretty much dead. So Fighters with high def,hp, and power and having the strongest weapon in the game and Stun and not to metion how powerful there skills r and how short of a cd each skill is and the "curses" that they give with decrease dex,def, and attack rate makes them the truly most poowerful class in the game
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Epith Sever

Keji_Meada lvl 57 fighter
EvasioNArcheR lvl 60 archer

[wannabeguyo]

I'd hate to agree about the Mage part, but I agree. Mages really are underpowered, here's why. Mages give up their defensive ability to force into pure attack power. For some reason in this game a fighter can out damage a Mage, I've seen it many times. Mages should be the highest hitting class no one should out damage them. They are supposed to kill you quickly and die quickly, it all depends on the situation whether its ambush or fair 1v1. Mages either need a MAJOR attack power boost or Fighters need to be balanced. This all boils down to class balance issues that have been talked about over and over....and they have done nothing.

[thedragonblade]

mages hit hard :/

mages only hit hard wen they hav a +9.

[thedragonblade]

I'd hate to agree about the Mage part, but I agree. Mages really are underpowered, here's why. Mages give up their defensive ability to force into pure attack power. For some reason in this game a fighter can out damage a Mage, I've seen it many times. Mages should be the highest hitting class no one should out damage them. They are supposed to kill you quickly and die quickly, it all depends on the situation whether its ambush or fair 1v1. Mages either need a MAJOR attack power boost or Fighters need to be balanced. This all boils down to class balance issues that have been talked about over and over....and they have done nothing.



ya lik in a game called flyff. mages r so powerful in dat game. am a lvl 34 on dat game. a lvl 27 mage beats lvl 40 monsters way faster then i do. and i normaly do 600 dmg wit my skills, but a mage wil do 1000. in flyff mages r weak on def and hp but their damages r stronger then anyone else.

but in fiesta, am a 74 mage and i barely can beat any fighters. its even hard to beat a lvl 67 fighter. either mage def needs to rise up. or mages shuld hav a really huge increase in dmg.

[mermer]

well to just stop ppl that think that fighters are stronger then other classes just think a bit:
if the fighter have low m.def - that means that a mage can kill him right?
if the fighter don't have ranged skills - that means a archer can kit him right?
if the fighter can't heal that means he use stones/pots..a cleric with high def + heals don't die so easily right?

[justlegendary]

ya lik in a game called flyff. mages r so powerful in dat game. am a lvl 34 on dat game. a lvl 27 mage beats lvl 40 monsters way faster then i do. and i normaly do 600 dmg wit my skills, but a mage wil do 1000. in flyff mages r weak on def and hp but their damages r stronger then anyone else.

but in fiesta, am a 74 mage and i barely can beat any fighters. its even hard to beat a lvl 67 fighter. either mage def needs to rise up. or mages shuld hav a really huge increase in dmg.

that was long time ago but they balanced pvp in flyff already. if anything is unbalanced and overpowered its the crusaders in ToP/PKO. an 8x crusader wearing regular npc equips can 1 hit KO 8x sealmasters, clerics, sharpshooters.. its funny how every other job class deal 3k~5k dmg max while crusaders can easily do 50k~200k dmg (or 1.2million dmg with double +27 raged swords.. T3 and Birchy can do that on players & monsters including bosses)

[don112]

yawn mages are weak without cookies why everyone has to complain u dont like fighte go ahead and make one

[thedreamer7]

mages don't hit hard, my fighter is lvl 56 and a 7x mage hit about 200 on me when my normal hp is 2.2k so a quick dev and barrage of attacks will finish off a mage

rawr i can hit high on you bro x.x

[Saruin]

well to just stop ppl that think that fighters are stronger then other classes just think a bit:
if the fighter have low m.def - that means that a mage can kill him right?
if the fighter don't have ranged skills - that means a archer can kit him right?
if the fighter can't heal that means he use stones/pots..a cleric with high def + heals don't die so easily right?

Fighters have low m.def, but can stun. As I recall, no one can move when they are stunned.
An archer can kite them, but only if the fighter is stupid enough to chase after them.
Clerics may never die, but neither will the fighter.

yawn mages are weak without cookies why everyone has to complain u dont like fighte go ahead and make one

Actually: I did make a fighter. I had +9 gears high END/INT/DEX, cookies, extenders on my mage and my DD fighter is still WAAAYYYYYY better at pvp than my mage.

For those of you who say mages can fear:
Fear has a LONG cooldown, stun does not.

But Outspark could give a [insert word here] about us, people are trying to be as powerful as they can. How? Buy cs. The more you get angry about it and buy LOADS of cs, the more they'll want to keep it that way.

[gab-t]

maybe fighters r overpowered, but they DONT have skills they only have 7 or 8 skills that can hit ( at lvl60 ofc ). and lets see the other classes, like mages they have like 15 skills or maybe more, and archeres idk about their skills, and clerics they r healers dont expect they'll have too many skills that can hit.

[storageforhero]

geez people learn more about mages

Your right, they do

first of all, its just that a lot of bad mages act like fighters (mages are NOT fighters) and NOT kite, as a range-wise and fighter's the low M.DEF mages have the biggest advantage regardless of DEF, even if mages try w/ no armor on... FIGHTER < MAGE DEF is not M.DEF, a fighter can never touch a mage that knows what he/she is doing, its impossible for a decent mage lose against an expert fighter (even if fighters 10 LVLs above)... Only a foolish mage would get his/her self killed by a fighter by trying to act like a FIGHTER as a mage. They might as well be full STR mages and PVP fighters with staff/wand alone, same foolish thing.

Fighters are not overpowered and archers/mages not underpowered

fighters are too easy for mages, mages are too easy for archers (learn to play a class)

[traceurmouse]

Lol, are fighters overpowered?
Are are you just underpowered?
;D
Nah i admit fighters are totally overpowered, that's why i made a fighter, rofl
if you wana do pvp, fighters are the only option other than lvling a mage tilll 7x+ to be epic, 7x+ mages tend to own me since i have low mdef.. if i get chain cast feared then stifle hits me.. how am i meant to win?
but, i can kill a mage if i get him stunned tbh.
Mages and Fighters are the only decent Pvp classes, clerics are just annoying in pvp and archers kite till they take a wrong turn and also die, usually anyway.. an archer my lvl has never beaten me by kiting.
Sorry for the long post lol. I'm just passing time before fiesta's back.

[apokolypse]

i get pwned by mages all the time D; but its true without the +9 gears mages just too much squish. :/

[Blaxcalibur]

Your right, they do

first of all, its just that a lot of bad mages act like fighters (mages are NOT fighters) and NOT kite, as a range-wise and fighter's the low M.DEF mages have the biggest advantage regardless of DEF, even if mages try w/ no armor on... FIGHTER < MAGE DEF is not M.DEF, a fighter can never touch a mage that knows what he/she is doing, its impossible for a decent mage lose against an expert fighter (even if fighters 10 LVLs above)... Only a foolish mage would get his/her self killed by a fighter by trying to act like a FIGHTER as a mage. They might as well be full STR mages and PVP fighters with staff/wand alone, same foolish thing.

Fighters are not overpowered and archers/mages not underpowered

fighters are too easy for mages, mages are too easy for archers (learn to play a class)

o.o....i like this guy
too bad theres no more rep system

[ghoffman9]

Fighters and Clerics can take a lot of damage, to even them out they can only attack at close range. Mages and Archers cannot take a lot of damge, to make battles fair for them they have the ability to attack at long ranges and attack while running.

I don't see any unfair advantages or disadvantages.

[Rzpect]

when fighter get enough close range to archer/mage they become squishy...BECAUSE OF 8 SEC OF STUN and between that 8 sec a fighter with an axe who has no delay on any of their skills can easily deal 4k dmg on a made/archer with all that crit or with out.

[Luke.mc]

Yes. Fighters are overpowered in PvP.

But can they solo really well?

..Oh wait.


Well they don't get any new skills after 60 ATM. x3

[spheris]

But Outspark could give a [insert word here] about us, people are trying to be as powerful as they can. How? Buy cs. The more you get angry about it and buy LOADS of cs, the more they'll want to keep it that way.

Outspark is a business, and like any good business they do what works best to bring in renevue.

So really theres no chance at any of the classes being altered.

[DF001]

Uhhh, PvP Fighters are supposed to be good at PvP

>.>

[kwadjo12]

i heard that a lot of class balance issues were going to be fixed in the patch with the next cap raise.

[DF001]

Your sources are wrong

[Luke.mc]

Uhhh, PvP Fighters are supposed to be good at PvP

>.>

LMFAO.

+Rep

[roonthehax]

Believe it or not but PvP characters are meant to excel at Player vs Player. And if you think its all the fighters then you are wrong. I have killed higher leveled fighters with my cleric (lv 50).

[spheris]

Believe it or not but PvP characters are meant to excel at Player vs Player. And if you think its all the fighters then you are wrong. I have killed higher leveled fighters with my cleric (lv 50).


lulz, much in the same way I killed an 80 cleric when my fighter was 60 I imagine ;P

[MartianMage]

Uhhh, PvP Fighters are supposed to be good at PvP

>.>

And all the other classes are supposed to suck at PvP? Sure PvP built fighters should be good but good does not mean imbalanced.


Outspark is a business, and like any good business they do what works best to bring in renevue.

So really theres no chance at any of the classes being altered.

Since I'm not supposed to mention any other MMOs here I'd like to point out that 1 particular MMO is doing poorly because 1 race is blatantly imbalanced and overpowering the other races. Seriously Outspark needs to do something about class balance cause I'm sure I'm not the only one who'll be changing to other MMOs if this situation goes on.

[DF001]

And all the other classes are supposed to suck at PvP? Sure PvP built fighters should be good but good does not mean imbalanced.



Since I'm not supposed to mention any other MMOs here I'd like to point out that 1 particular MMO is doing poorly because 1 race is blatantly imbalanced and overpowering the other races. Seriously Outspark needs to do something about class balance cause I'm sure I'm not the only one who'll be changing to other MMOs if this situation goes on.

As long as you know how to play your character, you will never be underpowered :)

[mehe25]

no offense but mages hit hard since fighters have like super low mdef. besides fighters aren't that tough to kill

UHHHHH considering the amount of hp healed on a fighter with one stone and the amount of hp they have alone I doubt it. And yes they are! With clerics you can't kill them and they can't kill you, archers and mages....must I need an explanation?

And you do realize you out-damage mages.

[MartianMage]

As long as you know how to play your character, you will never be underpowered :)

Knowing how to play does not fix blatant imbalance. Tanker class doing more than twice the damage of the nuker class is so screwed.

When every mage and archer out there uses every resource they have and use every tactics in the book and still dies to a fighter who's doing nothing but just chase and land a deva then skill spam(in short grunt gameplay no tactics needed) it only goes to show that there's something wrong with the balancing.

[DF001]

Knowing how to play does not fix blatant imbalance. Tanker class doing more than twice the damage of the nuker class is so screwed.

When every mage and archer out there uses every resource they have and use every tactics in the book and still dies to a fighter who's doing nothing but just chase and land a deva then skill spam(in short grunt gameplay no tactics needed) it only goes to show that there's something wrong with the balancing.

A mage could just keep kiting the fighter until he died, remember that fighters have really low m.def and that +9s don't increase m.def

[MartianMage]

A mage could just keep kiting the fighter until he died, remember that fighters have really low m.def and that +9s don't increase m.def

I don't even know why I'm bothering to argue with you over this. For the record mages suck at kiting. We only have 3 skills that are run castable and all 3 have low damage output not to mention all 3 have high cooldown. And no matter how much you run the fighter will catch up to you and when he does you're dead.

Just stop it with your excuses please? No one else except fellow fighters will buy your excuses that the game is balanced.

[DF001]

I don't even know why I'm bothering to argue with you over this. For the record mages suck at kiting. We only have 3 skills that are run castable and all 3 have low damage output not to mention all 3 have high cooldown. And no matter how much you run the fighter will catch up to you and when he does you're dead.

Just stop it with your excuses please? No one else except fellow fighters will buy your excuses that the game is balanced.

Not really.

Chain Cast + Fear + spam skills + fear + spam skills+ stiffle+ nova+ kiteeee+ spam skills+ chain cast, etc.

Well, okay then, I will stop arguing with you too, because YOU WILL JUST KEEP PUSHING YOUR POINT.

[Deaths_Will]

Not really.

Chain Cast + Fear + spam skills + fear + spam skills+ stiffle+ nova+ kiteeee+ spam skills+ chain cast, etc.

Well, okay then, I will stop arguing with you too, because YOU WILL JUST KEEP PUSHING YOUR POINT.

you dont chain cast fear .......

for mage


fear chain cast when there running around stifle nova then inferno.
sit and wait for stifle to go away.
stifle again cast nova inferno and spam spells they should be dead by then if not your dead

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

o.o"

XD funny how mages, archers, and (not so much) clerics have this ....thing against fighters :P

poor fighters ): its ok to be the most FLIPPIN overpowered lil chars you are (;

btw, fighters have alot of hp.....
even if mages, whom are supposedly the strongest class in the game, hit a fighter, it wont do so much practically cuz of the HUGE hp fighters have....
i mean realy think of it in a math sense


a 6000 hp fighter and a 3000 hp mage? (same lvls btw kinda what i see when i fight fightrs arround my lvl)

both do SUBSTANTIALLY good damages at each other..but look, whos goin to die first? not the guy with the most hp.


oh and the thing i hate the most XD is when i fear, and the fighter devs me at the same time XD so i get stunned and he's running around, i always laugh when that happens..then i die XD but other then that HILARIOUS XD

[Deaths_Will]

o.o"

XD funny how mages, archers, and (not so much) clerics have this ....thing against fighters :P

poor fighters ): its ok to be the most FLIPPIN overpowered lil chars you are (;

btw, fighters have alot of hp.....
even if mages, whom are supposedly the strongest class in the game, hit a fighter, it wont do so much practically cuz of the HUGE hp fighters have....
i mean realy think of it in a math sense


a 6000 hp fighter and a 3000 hp mage? (same lvls btw kinda what i see when i fight fightrs arround my lvl)

both do SUBSTANTIALLY good damages at each other..but look, whos goin to die first? not the guy with the most hp.


oh and the thing i hate the most XD is when i fear, and the fighter devs me at the same time XD so i get stunned and he's running around, i always laugh when that happens..then i die XD but other then that HILARIOUS XD

when u said the fighters gonna die not really.

it depends on what situation your in.

if your in pve u will die alot. cuase mages have very slow cd on alot of skills like chain cast stifles 1 minute long fear etc.

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

when u said the fighters gonna die not really.

it depends on what situation your in.

if your in pve u will die alot. cuase mages have very slow cd on alot of skills like chain cast stifles 1 minute long fear etc.

i never said the fighter was goin to die...

when i said "not the guy with the most hp" i meant the fighter XD

cuz he's...not goin to die

i'm so confoosed @_@

[YoshimaruOrona]

Not really.

Chain Cast + Fear + spam skills + fear + spam skills+ stiffle+ nova+ kiteeee+ spam skills+ chain cast, etc.

Well, okay then, I will stop arguing with you too, because YOU WILL JUST KEEP PUSHING YOUR POINT.

.....and what about the lv60- mages?

[Deaths_Will]

lol lvl 60 below. clerics if there full +9 and pure str with hammer pwn even fighters who are full +9 with axe pure str lmfao

i watched it in uraga a few times in guild wars and in pvp z 1

thats what i just seen or the fighter couldnt do enough dmg till lvl 70+ when they get a blue +9 or better




and mages that lvl are hella squishy and wont live at all hardly &_&

and archers are also lol and no idea who would win a pvp xD

[YoshimaruOrona]

Lv60 and below is complete fighter territory in terms of pvp =.= If you don't believe me, make a noob and go watch 35-49 pvp kq.

Mages and archers are that squishy cuz they don't have +9 clothes.

But even then, one must wonder why in the hell mages and archers need +9 clothes to survive against fighters under normal pvp circumstances >.>

[MartianMage]

Not really.

Chain Cast + Fear + spam skills + fear + spam skills+ stiffle+ nova+ kiteeee+ spam skills+ chain cast, etc.

Well, okay then, I will stop arguing with you too, because YOU WILL JUST KEEP PUSHING YOUR POINT.

And guess what? The fighter would still not die. Cause unlike you we don't deal tons of damage when we "spam" skills. And unlike you our stones don't heal too much.

And what kind of an idiot will stand on nova if they have taken too much damage? Are you implying your some monster who can't even move out of nova aoe?

[mehe25]

Wow this is all really good information, I'm keeping track of what interests me the most so so far its...

As long as you know how to play your character, you will never be underpowered :)
>
Knowing how to play does not fix blatant imbalance. Tanker class doing more than twice the damage of the nuker class is so screwed.

When every mage and archer out there uses every resource they have and use every tactics in the book and still dies to a fighter who's doing nothing but just chase and land a deva then skill spam(in short grunt gameplay no tactics needed) it only goes to show that there's something wrong with the balancing.
>
A mage could just keep kiting the fighter until he died, remember that fighters have really low m.def and that +9s don't increase m.def
>
I don't even know why I'm bothering to argue with you over this. For the record mages suck at kiting. We only have 3 skills that are run castable and all 3 have low damage output not to mention all 3 have high cooldown. And no matter how much you run the fighter will catch up to you and when he does you're dead.

Just stop it with your excuses please? No one else except fellow fighters will buy your excuses that the game is balanced.
>
Not really.

Chain Cast + Fear + spam skills + fear + spam skills+ stiffle+ nova+ kiteeee+ spam skills+ chain cast, etc.

Well, okay then, I will stop arguing with you too, because YOU WILL JUST KEEP PUSHING YOUR POINT.
>
.....and what about the lv60- mages?
+
Lv60 and below is complete fighter territory in terms of pvp =.= If you don't believe me, make a noob and go watch 35-49 pvp kq.

Mages and archers are that squishy cuz they don't have +9 clothes.

But even then, one must wonder why in the hell mages and archers need +9 clothes to survive against fighters under normal pvp circumstances >.>
+
And guess what? The fighter would still not die. Cause unlike you we don't deal tons of damage when we "spam" skills. And unlike you our stones don't heal too much.

And what kind of an idiot will stand on nova if they have taken too much damage? Are you implying your some monster who can't even move out of nova aoe?

[A_geezy]

after thinking about this for the last few minutes, I have come to the conclusion that the classes arent overpowered, take any two classes and give them npc gears and let them go at it.

It will be a good fight and the winner will be decided by skill and luck. Archers and Mages will destroy fighters if they start at a distance, all the other scenarios (there's only 32 different PvP scenarios in this game) play out with excruciating equality.

Here's where your imbalance lies: +9 equips, extenders, charms, and cookies. Everyone who posted in here saying that fighters are overpowered, you guys are fail (and stupid)...(and ignorant)...(the list continues). There is no class imbalance, simply people who can't figure their PvP **** out and loads of Cash Shop empowerments that favor those who use them.

I really hope that makes sense, and before posting any more ignorant bull****- please test this out with some controls:

Go get 8 people (two of each class) who A.) aren't sporting extenders, and B.) are the same level,

get them all npc equips,

go to FBZ and have them fight eachother one on one, one fight starting right next to eachother, the next fight starting at a distance.

I conclude that you will not find any imbalances, that those who are able to take advantage of the scenario first will win.

The end.

[MartianMage]

after thinking about this for the last few minutes, I have come to the conclusion that the classes arent overpowered, take any two classes and give them npc gears and let them go at it.

It will be a good fight and the winner will be decided by skill and luck. Archers and Mages will destroy fighters if they start at a distance, all the other scenarios (there's only 32 different PvP scenarios in this game) play out with excruciating equality.

Here's where your imbalance lies: +9 equips, extenders, charms, and cookies. Everyone who posted in here saying that fighters are overpowered, you guys are fail (and stupid)...(and ignorant)...(the list continues). There is no class imbalance, simply people who can't figure their PvP **** out and loads of Cash Shop empowerments that favor those who use them.

I really hope that makes sense, and before posting any more ignorant bull****- please test this out with some controls:

Go get 8 people (two of each class) who A.) aren't sporting extenders, and B.) are the same level,

get them all npc equips,

go to FBZ and have them fight eachother one on one, one fight starting right next to eachother, the next fight starting at a distance.

I conclude that you will not find any imbalances, that those who are able to take advantage of the scenario first will win.

The end.


Post vids that prove your point before you even tell us that your theory crafted nonsense is true. I don't even wanna nitpick your post cause it's all theory crafted while what we're arguing is practical experience.

Funny how you speak of ignorance when your post if full of it. Having full npc gears changes nothing. Fighters would still have the highest hp, the highest def, the highest atk, low cd on deva, highest stone capacity, highest hp restoration on stone. Maybe you can tell us in detail what is the basis of your wonderful assumption?

[YoshimaruOrona]

after thinking about this for the last few minutes, I have come to the conclusion that the classes arent overpowered, take any two classes and give them npc gears and let them go at it.

It will be a good fight and the winner will be decided by skill and luck. Archers and Mages will destroy fighters if they start at a distance, all the other scenarios (there's only 32 different PvP scenarios in this game) play out with excruciating equality.

Here's where your imbalance lies: +9 equips, extenders, charms, and cookies. Everyone who posted in here saying that fighters are overpowered, you guys are fail (and stupid)...(and ignorant)...(the list continues). There is no class imbalance, simply people who can't figure their PvP **** out and loads of Cash Shop empowerments that favor those who use them.

I really hope that makes sense, and before posting any more ignorant bull****- please test this out with some controls:

Go get 8 people (two of each class) who A.) aren't sporting extenders, and B.) are the same level,

get them all npc equips,

go to FBZ and have them fight eachother one on one, one fight starting right next to eachother, the next fight starting at a distance.

I conclude that you will not find any imbalances, that those who are able to take advantage of the scenario first will win.

The end.



Geezy, I love the way you think, and I admire how you thought around this in such a way that we have not yet.

However, I have two thoughts. One regards the game's structure, and the other regards pvp.

The first thought is that at the very least, OnsOn should've expected +9's to plague the game and that they should've adjusted pvp to adapt for it. I don't really understand how you can put the ability to enhance something in-game, and then just assume that it all works out? If pvp is this imbalanced with +9's right now, I can only imagine how bad it will become when we have access to +10's.

The second thought is that I agree, if everybody were on fair grounds with NPC gear in a pvp area, it is possible that there will be balance. I haven't tested it, and neither have you, so neither of us can say for sure whether it will work. The next time I'm bored though, I'm willing to test it out ^^ I just have to find a sparring/lving partner =o

But ... for now, there is something very wrong with fighters. And it comes down to three words.

Cast. While. Running.

I actually have a vid showing just how **********'d up it is for fighters to have this ability. One, it's unnatural (some of the animations make fighters look like they're ice skating >.>) . Two, it's not fair to archers. Fighters already have a stun to stop fleeing enemies, what else do they need? If fighters didn't have such ridiculous damage, then I wouldn't even sweat it. In fact, I would've considered cast n' run something that would help fighters that are incapable of killing players during stun time.

But. Having stun + insane dmg + run and cast = Wrong.

The last scene of the vid below has nothing to do with fighters. It's more about how mages need some run and cast in their lives. It's extremely sad when you're a mage being pursued and you can't do a damn thing.

(Note: I apologize for the crap quality. I recorded this on FRAPS, so if someone knows how to help me enhance the quality, please tell me T_T)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdY7bphae8g

And in case you're curious, my fighter is an end build (he has some spr in free stats, but not much on his gears). I'll post whatever information regarding him that you want/need if it helps the discussion any.

[TheCompanions]

I dont read the whole thread cause I know alot of these threads...

But fact is that (Axe)-fighters are to strong
Yes i agree with you that they have a weak spot and thats their m.def so mages can dmg alot on them!
But what is with the other classes?
An cleric or an Archer ... well with my Archer I cant beat an Axe fighter that got 6k HP and ultra high def.. Even if I wear my +9 wep it dont dmg them much!
Their hp stones seem to heal alot more than archers or mages stones (maybe its just cause they got more hp)

This game just need more balance!

[DF001]

.....and what about the lv60- mages?

Ah, but isn't it better to suck from 1-60 and be good from 60+ than being good from 1-60 and to stuck from 60+?

o.o"

XD funny how mages, archers, and (not so much) clerics have this ....thing against fighters :P

poor fighters ): its ok to be the most FLIPPIN overpowered lil chars you are (;

btw, fighters have alot of hp.....
even if mages, whom are supposedly the strongest class in the game, hit a fighter, it wont do so much practically cuz of the HUGE hp fighters have....
i mean realy think of it in a math sense


a 6000 hp fighter and a 3000 hp mage? (same lvls btw kinda what i see when i fight fightrs arround my lvl)

both do SUBSTANTIALLY good damages at each other..but look, whos goin to die first? not the guy with the most hp.


oh and the thing i hate the most XD is when i fear, and the fighter devs me at the same time XD so i get stunned and he's running around, i always laugh when that happens..then i die XD but other then that HILARIOUS XD

Uh first.

You probably mean that the mage has 4.5k hp

Second

A mage can enhance his gears to get an advantage over the fighter and the fighter can still enhance his gears but he won't get any advantage because mages hit m def and not def

Third

Like I said, you can just kite.

[YoshimaruOrona]

Ah, but isn't it better to suck from 1-60 and be good from 60+ than being good from 1-60 and to stuck from 60+?


To answer your question, yes, a mage should appreciate what he/she has (or is going to get, in the case of lv60- mages).

However, I don't think it's appropriate that a mage has to suck at pvp for more than a third of the entire game span. Clerics suck at pvp for a reason, and that's because they are a support class. I can deal with that. It doesn't make any sense that a damage dealing class (hence their low-as-hell defense) fails in pvp for 59 levels.

That's all I'm saying, and I honestly think a revamp for non-enchanters is in order.

[Deaths_Will]

And guess what? The fighter would still not die. Cause unlike you we don't deal tons of damage when we "spam" skills. And unlike you our stones don't heal too much.

And what kind of an idiot will stand on nova if they have taken too much damage? Are you implying your some monster who can't even move out of nova aoe?

Lol


nova now makes u run uber slow takes u like 6~7.5 seconds just to get out of that circle and if we spam skills with no cast time hardly and have bk +9 full sparkcash crited out 25 spr 5% crit boots your bk has a complete lic. etc.
u wont have a problem killim that fighter ._.""

[MartianMage]

Lol


nova now makes u run uber slow takes u like 6~7.5 seconds just to get out of that circle and if we spam skills with no cast time hardly and have bk +9 full sparkcash crited out 25 spr 5% crit boots your bk has a complete lic. etc.
u wont have a problem killim that fighter ._.""

6~7.5 seconds to get out of nova aoe? right... :rolleyes:

Spam skills that have no cast time? magic missile, firebolt, lightning bolt, ice bolt, and mana burn? You're not going to kill a figher with those 5 weak spells.

[Deaths_Will]

6~7.5 seconds to get out of nova aoe? right... :rolleyes:

Spam skills that have no cast time? magic missile, firebolt, lightning bolt, ice bolt, and mana burn? You're not going to kill a figher with those 5 weak spells.

depending on who the fighter is yes.

u see fireball and iceblast have too long of a cast time in 1v1.
it takes about ruffly the same amount of time to cast just fireball as it does to cast firebolt and ice bolt......therefore tell me which is gonna do more dmg with all the crits etc.

[MartianMage]

Crits don't happen all the time. Critting with 1 magic blast is better than landing a normal hit on firebolt then a crit with icebolt. And who are you kidding? It's not like we'll be using nova, inferno, and ice blast. Most mages will use fireball, magic blast, then proceed with the other spells until blast coolsdown again. The funny thing here is if mages have been doing that and aren't getting any results how is your suggestion which neglects the 2 best damage skill of mages going to do any better?

Not to mention fireball and magic blast are usually given 5 empower points on attack power. These 2 spells are better than casting 2 weaker spells with no empower points.

[Deaths_Will]

Crits don't happen all the time. Critting with 1 magic blast is better than landing a normal hit on firebolt then a crit with icebolt. And who are you kidding? It's not like we'll be using nova, inferno, and ice blast. Most mages will use fireball, magic blast, then proceed with the other spells until blast coolsdown again. The funny thing here is if mages have been doing that and aren't getting any results how is your suggestion which neglects the 2 best damage skill of mages going to do any better?

Not to mention fireball and magic blast are usually given 5 empower points on attack power. These 2 spells are better than casting 2 weaker spells with no empower points.

there dmg at once may be better yes i wont deny that


but the time like i said it takes to cast them u could have casted 2/3 other skills which results in more dmg per second

some people are thick headed ._.

[MartianMage]

there dmg at once may be better yes i wont deny that


but the time like i said it takes to cast them u could have casted 2/3 other skills which results in more dmg per second

some people are thick headed ._.

I believe I've already mentioned on the post you've just replied to how a single crit from a magic blast/fire ball is better than 2 of your spells. Do you even read? :confused:

[Deaths_Will]

I believe I've already mentioned on the post you've just replied to how a single crit from a magic blast/fire ball is better than 2 of your spells. Do you even read? :confused:

and ive already mentioned it depends on the person u are fighting and there mdef....


with a lvl 70 blue wand its average dmg on a fighter without a crit and using firebolt is around 500~600
fire is 700
and icebolt around 450ish

so if fire crits then you go agaisnt firebolt+ ice bolt and if 1 of those crit its same dmg but if both of them crit its doing more dmg already

[sps60]

wow...i have heard this word...what is kite....not sorry for the nub question...

[YoshimaruOrona]

wow...i have heard this word...what is kite....not sorry for the nub question...

"Kite" is when you're running away from a target while still hitting them with skills.

(When you fly a kite irl, you run with the string in your hand, and the kite follows; same thing here kinda)

Archers in particular are excellent at this. With the exception of two attacks, they can fire every single one of their skills at the opponent, even while running away from the opponent.

[BainS-NT]

Ever heard of a phrase called the "mage gb"

[Sesshomaru]

It's almost impossible to find an entirely fair fight to determine which class is better.
Build plays a role
Prems play a role
Test 2 classes against each other each with all npc gear and nothing special, just base stats against each other. At 6x a fight is very different per class than 8x and so on, once bk's come into play a fighter is superior.
Fighters also get like 3x more stones than any other class? XD

And Crits hurt so much because It's like pentrating through armor so ignores any buffs and deals all the damage to the defenders base stats.

[A_geezy]

It's almost impossible to find an entirely fair fight to determine which class is better.
Build plays a role
Prems play a role
Test 2 classes against each other each with all npc gear and nothing special, just base stats against each other. At 6x a fight is very different per class than 8x and so on, once bk's come into play a fighter is superior.
Fighters also get like 3x more stones than any other class? XD

And Crits hurt so much because It's like pentrating through armor so ignores any buffs and deals all the damage to the defenders base stats.

dude... that's exactly what I said! Thanks.

And true, the only times the game is unbalanced with a 1-level difference are lvls 84-85, lvls 59-60, and lvls 19-20. In literally every other scenario it's pretty true that the better stat/skill build plus ability to take advantage of the situation first will determine the outcome of the match*.

*just thought, level gaps with blues might also become un-balances: ie fighter with full 75 set has stats of an 8x, 74 wouldnt have that and will be at a disadvantage.

[themichael]

But sadly.
Thats never the scenario.
therefore the developers should make some changes 2 the classes to make them more balanced.
OR
they could change the stats when in a pvp situation alone.
but at the same time what if a mob was hitting u while u were fighting in the abyss ^^;

But that actually seems like a good idea 2 me.

(besides lower the fighters damage....ALOT whis is what Should be done.
OR choice 2. Put every other class on the fighters lvl)

Bottom Line: The fighters should be nerfed like us DD were.
and possibly lose some of their great skills like we archers did.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[mehe25]

Hey, atleast they don't give Lasenza's braws and a mini jacket off the womens 60%off isle at walmart for armour to the guys of the other classes(Mage,Archer,Cleric). XD LMAO

But anyway, they do have to much of everything. .

[Deaths_Will]

i win .

[G1XXER]

Your right, they do

first of all, its just that a lot of bad mages act like fighters (mages are NOT fighters) and NOT kite, as a range-wise and fighter's the low M.DEF mages have the biggest advantage regardless of DEF, even if mages try w/ no armor on... FIGHTER < MAGE DEF is not M.DEF, a fighter can never touch a mage that knows what he/she is doing, its impossible for a decent mage lose against an expert fighter (even if fighters 10 LVLs above)... Only a foolish mage would get his/her self killed by a fighter by trying to act like a FIGHTER as a mage. They might as well be full STR mages and PVP fighters with staff/wand alone, same foolish thing.

Fighters are not overpowered and archers/mages not underpowered

fighters are too easy for mages, mages are too easy for archers (learn to play a class)

lolololololol......lolololol It is really too bad your not on Apoline, I have a warrior your mage could beat up on. Look mage is not disigned to be a one on one class. Sorry but warriors are the best 1vs1 class in the game and they are ment to be. All thing being the same warriors kill mage every time.....PERIOD. It is however safe to say if you buy enough cs you can hold your own in PvP with any class, the problem there is what if the other person also has cs.:cool:

[w0nderhealer]

Fighters are the best when it comes to 1v1 fights.

[themichael]

Yea they are...and its totally screwed up.
Archers are supposed to be the single target speed killers...not Fighters :D
a fighter is usually like a cleric is in this game.
(can take alot but not dish alot.)

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Deaths_Will]

lol u guys have some messed up points of view

number 1
archers arent known for there really fast attacks even though yes they do have it.
there known for there dmg over time. poisons etc.

fighters have the highest base dmg dealing with str
while mages have the only class to do mdmg
and technically speaking however u spell it
mages at 85+ pwn fighters if each class is pure str/int but then again it all depends on a persons build stats and gears and how lucky u get with crits

no class is the best at pvp.
it all depends on the person

[spheris]

lol u guys have some messed up points of view

number 1
archers arent known for there really fast attacks even though yes they do have it.
there known for there dmg over time. poisons etc.

fighters have the highest base dmg dealing with str
while mages have the only class to do mdmg
and technically speaking however u spell it
mages at 85+ pwn fighters if each class is pure str/int but then again it all depends on a persons build stats and gears and how lucky u get with crits

no class is the best at pvp.
it all depends on the person

The sad fact is you can lay out the facts like that, but most of the "right fighters" in here wont read, and if they do they wont agree, they'll still blabber on about how fighters are overpowered, blah, blah, blah.

and that there are so many problems with mages and archers...

The way I see it, the people who complain about class balance are the ones who cant hack losing at PvP.

[Deaths_Will]

Lol fighters arent over powerd

the people playing mages n archers just suck.

i mean seriously u ever get people like kouki alexv charlwyn2 or any of them sayin fighters are over powerd?

no in fact when they run into pvp whe nthey actually do they get people starting posts on forums from fighters saying how mages are over poward...... exactly my point now u nubs sayin fighters are over powerd im mage and telling u to S.T.F.U your slow

[legendking3]

fighters have the most advantages ontop of small amount of disadvantages:

pros:
-MASSIVE dmg
-ignore skill animation
-only 6 seconds between each stun
-overpowered weapon (axe)
-massive HP
-massive def

cons:
-low m.def
-short range

now how is that fair?

all the pros are purely fighter related, while the cons are shared with clerics or archers.

[mehe25]

fighters have the most advantages ontop of small amount of disadvantages:

pros:
-MASSIVE dmg
-ignore skill animation
-only 6 seconds between each stun
-overpowered weapon (axe)
-massive HP
-massive def
-Massive Hp healed with one stone
-Massive Hp stones
-More sp stones exceeding mages at lower levels



cons:
-low m.def
-short range

now how is that fair?

all the pros are purely fighter related, while the cons are shared with clerics or archers.

Edit*
10 char

[w0nderhealer]

your just pissed coz you fail at pvp....zzzzzzzzz

+100
Lol fighters arent over powerd

the people playing mages n archers just suck.

i mean seriously u ever get people like kouki alexv charlwyn2 or any of them sayin fighters are over powerd?

no in fact when they run into pvp whe nthey actually do they get people starting posts on forums from fighters saying how mages are over poward...... exactly my point now u nubs sayin fighters are over powerd im mage and telling u to S.T.F.U your slow

[Lupse]

Heh! That depends of the stuff of the fighter, and depends of yours too...
The amount of HP stones aren't important in PvP. you should restone before and everything is okay.

[Lazyrogue]

Lol fighters arent over powerd

the people playing mages n archers just suck.

i mean seriously u ever get people like kouki alexv charlwyn2 or any of them sayin fighters are over powerd?

no in fact when they run into pvp whe nthey actually do they get people starting posts on forums from fighters saying how mages are over poward...... exactly my point now u nubs sayin fighters are over powerd im mage and telling u to S.T.F.U your slow

LMFAO to think that archers suck because we lose to a fighter? You must not have ever even seen in archer before to have this idea. My class is nerfed and missing skills and BK destroyed my chance to dodge an AXE. I deal physical damage so it's bad enough that I'm attacking the top defensive class but my damage is typically 60% ~ 75% of a fighter's axe and it is .1 sec faster if you count just auto attack. Pffft play an archer and you'll start complaining after 60.

lol u guys have some messed up points of view

number 1
archers arent known for there really fast attacks even though yes they do have it.
there known for there dmg over time. poisons etc.

fighters have the highest base dmg dealing with str
while mages have the only class to do mdmg
and technically speaking however u spell it
mages at 85+ pwn fighters if each class is pure str/int but then again it all depends on a persons build stats and gears and how lucky u get with crits

no class is the best at pvp.
it all depends on the person

Archers are ALWAYS known for speed. What MMO have you played where the bow is not the DPS weapon :confused: ? Poisons prove that we are supposed to be the DPS class because they hurt every SECOND. We still get out damaged by any fighter with an axe. Why did they make the DD melee class the tank class as well :( they should have just made the fighter a tank with mediocre damage. You're just a mage so don't say it's the person. If you played an archer lvl85+ you would understand that the fighter is just impossible to take down unless charmed. Even then a charm brings you even with a fighter uncharmed. Either way, I say remove the axe! Too much power and crit for the supposed "tank" of fiesta. So please enlighten us how it is the player's fault? Your only possible argument I see would be, "Well you shouldn't of picked the archer, too bad." :confused:

[DF001]

fighters have the most advantages ontop of small amount of disadvantages:

pros:
-MASSIVE dmg
-ignore skill animation
-only 6 seconds between each stun
-overpowered weapon (axe)
-massive HP
-massive def
-Massive Hp healed with one stone
-Massive Hp stones
-More sp stones exceeding mages at lower levels



cons:
-low m.def
-short range

now how is that fair?

all the pros are purely fighter related, while the cons are shared with clerics or archers.r

Err...

-Pure Str build ftw?
-Not all of our skills are instant cast
-True, but they can fail
-Axes aren't overpowered against archers at 85-
-Normal
-+9s, shields and END gears ftw?
-Not our fault. A Hp stone heals around 60% of your base HP.
-I agree on this one, but clerics can surpass us with extender.
-Fighters need the SP stones more than the mages do.

Real cons:

-Worst evasion and aim (with an axe)
-Worst base SPR/SP
.Worst m. def
-No long range
-No kiting skills
-Stun has like 15% chances of missing
-Can only do deva on someone if they are still or if you are infront of them while they are running.

[Deaths_Will]

LMFAO to think that archers suck because we lose to a fighter? You must not have ever even seen in archer before to have this idea. My class is nerfed and missing skills and BK destroyed my chance to dodge an AXE. I deal physical damage so it's bad enough that I'm attacking the top defensive class but my damage is typically 60% ~ 75% of a fighter's axe and it is .1 sec faster if you count just auto attack. Pffft play an archer and you'll start complaining after 60.



Archers are ALWAYS known for speed. What MMO have you played where the bow is not the DPS weapon :confused: ? Poisons prove that we are supposed to be the DPS class because they hurt every SECOND. We still get out damaged by any fighter with an axe. Why did they make the DD melee class the tank class as well :( they should have just made the fighter a tank with mediocre damage. You're just a mage so don't say it's the person. If you played an archer lvl85+ you would understand that the fighter is just impossible to take down unless charmed. Even then a charm brings you even with a fighter uncharmed. Either way, I say remove the axe! Too much power and crit for the supposed "tank" of fiesta. So please enlighten us how it is the player's fault? Your only possible argument I see would be, "Well you shouldn't of picked the archer, too bad." :confused:

ur kidding me? ....

i had a archer still do lvl 70.
pure dex on stats was max dex on weapon hat boots pants n top + goc end/dex rings i had around 900 somethin eva and at lvl 75 with t4 i would have had over 1k ...Eva
my mage missing about 175 dex + has 800 eva at lvl 84 not to mention not having my lvl gears ....
i got missed on by a bk.
and just for your info~
around lvl 110+ archers base dmg on weapons become greater than fighters if they use xbows ....
and pm alexv
ask him to go to pvp
he will pwn almost every fighter there
and if he runs into someone like mrnoble its dead even no ones gonna die~

[MMORPGNERD]

stop complaining this isnt any news... you want to kill a fighter be a fighter or get better gears and know how to pvp... fighters arent invincible... or make one yourself.

[mehe25]

Real cons:

-Worst evasion and aim (with an axe)
-Worst base SPR/SP
.Worst m. def
-No long range
-No kiting skills
-Stun has like 15% chances of missing
-Can only do deva on someone if they are still or if you are infront of them while they are running.
-Bk wep---and you hit accurate enough to hit..
-Spirit stones cost the smallest for you guys...
-Your Hp alone is already anough to cover that as well as the amount of hp healed with a single stone
-Yea, but you don`t even need it and clerics also have no range as well
-Why in heck would you need kiting skills
-Yea and the other 85% chance of not missing is so small that we`ll never get caught....
-And your ability to some how run and spam every one of your attacks in like 6 seconds all of a sudden disapears

And game play is already enough proof to show how overpowered fighters are in PvP.

[YoshimaruOrona]

Err...

-Pure Str build ftw?
-Not all of our skills are instant cast
-True, but they can fail
-Axes aren't overpowered against archers at 85-
-Normal
-+9s, shields and END gears ftw?
-Not our fault. A Hp stone heals around 60% of your base HP.
-I agree on this one, but clerics can surpass us with extender.
-Fighters need the SP stones more than the mages do.

Real cons:

-Worst evasion and aim (with an axe)
-Worst base SPR/SP
.Worst m. def
-No long range
-No kiting skills
-Stun has like 15% chances of missing
-Can only do deva on someone if they are still or if you are infront of them while they are running.

Am I the only one who wonders why this is? Potions heal for "x" amount of HP, but stones heal for (as DF said) 60% of the player's base HP? Wth? Would it be wrong to call that a problem?

No kiting skills, yes, but the way fighters have their skills right now, they can run side by side with an archer or mage while spamming the majority of their skills on them. Not the fighters fault, but I just figured I should point that out.

[saint5678]

if a lvl 89mager and a 89 fighter had a fight thw mager wall win no offence but its also aobut the person if there good at ther class or not

[saint5678]

Magers wall pawn fighters at lvl 85 if they boath have +0 armour magers wall win but the person has gotta know wat to do and wat moves to do at the right time

[A_geezy]

omg... we're still trying to nerf fighters? Why don't we collectively kill this thread, then make new threads in the mage and archer forums about how underpowered those classes are, then instead of a nerfing we might get an... antinerfing? reverse-nerfing? idk... but complaints only lead to the land of nerfdom, and deep down nobody really wants to go there : /

[Deaths_Will]

omg... we're still trying to nerf fighters? Why don't we collectively kill this thread, then make new threads in the mage and archer forums about how underpowered those classes are, then instead of a nerfing we might get an... antinerfing? reverse-nerfing? idk... but complaints only lead to the land of nerfdom, and deep down nobody really wants to go there : /

Lol!

ahaha antinerf

thats
classic xD
lol
honestly i think that would be a great idea
bring up archers aim+eva
bring up mages mdmg to like the dmg epicness it was back at lvl 70 mage v lvl 70 fighter
etc.
but i mean u see all this complaining about these classes sucky
nobody ever complains about clerics O.O
are they really that good? ._.

[Tahfujin]

(have trouble reading mumble jumble ?skip to the bottom for the gist of it)

meh fighters arent supposed to really be a DD class.But....that is where cash shop comes in xD you take a full str fighter give him +9's he has well alot of defense...alot of dmg from free stat...at level 89 this is like 120+ more dmg?BK+9=2.1k+120dmg+like stats from gears gonna add my stats from my gear in....which is 77str on mine...+vit which is....400+ dmg around 2.8k now our real dmg comes from the actual str which is like 470 at my level.3.4k dmg vited...but take away the 1.1k from the +9=2.3k dmg (sorry if it isnt really neat or accurate dont hate me Dx) Perfects...nines,miles,eyes should have never came to be.

If I were full +9 my def would be at maybe 1.5k-1.6k and I am not full end or full str.

With npc gear no +9 axe I have 500 and lower def 1.7-2.2k dmg while vited ~.~ got shot for 517 by an archer...aim shot 670 or more by power +dots=died...my dmg was too low to kill it while being kited by time I finally caught him I died. my hp in npc gear is 2.4k with no extender>.>happend about 3 times.

mage went a bit different no chance at all....died mid fear and on another round while stifled I had to stun and run off stifle certain death standing in an aoe with npc gears while skills dont work at all.eventually it was who could get off their set of moves first.deva vs fear and stifle.

Deva:8 second stun
25% chance to not work
cant be cast while running but as an aoe it can be used once in a certain amount of range.
24 second cd empowered (cd and duration)15 if 16 if you count the time you are stunned.
does dmg.

Fear:No chance of miss
6 second effect can be chained
1min30second cd 1min 3second if empowered 57 seconds if counting the time you are effected.
does no dmg.

Stifle:Evil...should be removed.
adds 3 seconds to cast time.
last 12 seconds?
(dont know cd)

My fight with a cleric was quite fun :3
I could not kill him at all XD got lucky with a chain of crits.

Point being +9 ruin the whole pvp thing

Remove the perfects lower the effects of +9.On a side note maybe they should add the option to turn off certain things temporarily like extenders,I use them for soloing but I would sometimes like a fair pvp like before the first cap raise xD.

[noob-cy]

You people are crazy. Fighters(eeeeeew) are not that overpowered. My mage has high int/dex gear mostly and all of them +9ed. As I noticed archers the most difficult class against me in Pvp even tho I have tons of Dexterity. Back to the topic. We're saying that a pure int mage with +9 equips is like gods in Pvp. Not always though. There are exceptions. But most of times fighters have to be either def or damage charmed and maybe offennse charmed. And extendered probably. So people... Mages or whoever call fighter overpowered. Take break of leveling, work on production skills.. Do abyss! Pk waste of time if you are as desperate as you told. Get a vit, a def, an eva scroll if you need and go mob =)___ . Save materials to work your production skill and sell the others. In case you bored just go FBZ and test your skills. Mostly learn to use "drain mind"(fear) on right time and FrostNova and Inferno synchronized so you get time to avoid devastate. Ill try get extenders for my own too, tha would be lot easier. Okay pals take care and good luck. IF YOU THINK FIGHTERS ARE STILL OVERPOWERED AFTER YOU DO THAT, THEN, CREATE A FIGHTER!!! If you have any questions wisper me.
*If you want to be stronger buy my level 70+9 shirt, not that godly but still xD dex34 int20 spr24 I think. Or buy my scrolls. Whaha. *
Thanks for your time.
IGN: MajinVegeta(cleric level89-Mostly for vendor)
MrLonely(mage level76 aka the character I wasted all my golds for)
NinjaZX(Stinky, creenky, oinky fighter level45 I think-Mostly for storage use and helping lowbies)

[Blaxcalibur]

LMFAO this is still goin?????

ok...i guess beatin around the bush isnt in anymore

look, if ur a mage and cant beat a non ext usin fighter...u suck..idk wat makes u suck..but u do
heres a checklist:
1. do u fail at kiting?
2. do u fail at critting?
3. do u fail at usin fear BEFORE the fighter is in range?
4. do u have a good strategy?
5. are you not INT build?
6. are u sure u just dont suck?

as for archers..they dont have it as easy as mages but the main flaw that most archers do is not invest in DEX..yes dex...a archer on teva reached 1.2k+ dex, u wanna tell me a bk wont miss that?? erry archer i see shouts "B> lvl blahblah archer gear end/str". u ask them their build they say "str/spr"..first of all DoT is already bad for pvp, since the purpose is to dish out as much dmg as possible as fast as u can, which is the direct opposite of a DoT am i right? i know erry class wants to have a equal chance in pvp but ive never seen or played a MMORPG where ERRY class was equal..for now (before the new skill set) archers are the odd men out. as of now u NEED dex to stay alive, simply havin end in ur gear wont due.

i also love how ppl are makin it seem like fighters have a bajillion hp. fighters lvl 80+ average around 3.4k hp - 4k hp, if they have a purple itll obviously be higher but dont make it seem like were the only class w/ purples. fighters w/ no end in their build or gear only have about 3k hp..if u cant take down 4k hp with 12secs of free hits then layin out aoes while the fighter is stifled, then their somethin wrong w/ ur char or strategy...u choose. ive seen a bunch of mages do it n make it look e z at that.

are u ppl still complainin about stones n hp?? wow....were fighters, we have high hp, n e thing confusin about that? i still fail to realize how stone count has anything to do w/ pvp

i think the problem w/ some of u is that u wanna be "manks" or "tarchers" aka trynna do wat ur class isnt meant to do. archers u need dex, realize that..its ur classes greatest weapon. fighters have high hp cuz were made to take hits, ur not which is why u have the highest possible dex in the game. mages, end might be good for pve, but for pvpin fighters all u need is int int n more int. why does ur hp/def matter if u have the power to kill before we can make it to u?

u say lack of range and low m.def isnt a big enuff con..when its actually a bigger disadvantage than u think. wat cons would u suggest? hmm

less hp/def? i guess that would make since..make a us have cleric stats /end sarcasm
less dmg? lowerin our dmg even by 200 would only benifit clerics..since mages/archers are squishy by nature...+9s or not
lower stone capacity? not that it makes ANY diff in pvp...but ehh have fun losin a tank erry 30mins cuz they have to restone

this thread is old n played out...u would think when classes other than fighters start to defend fighters,the other ones complaining would realize maybe theyre just not good..im sorry to be blunt, but its the truth. its a annoyance hearing archers sayin "if u didnt stun i could kill u"..ive seen plenty of archers say that to fighters. so ok...i wont stun if u wont kite? is that fair. dont blame us, we just play the class.

[Deaths_Will]

ok not even im gonna read that much

[themichael]

Fighters do have a few flaws like every other class
[B]BUT[\B] for every single one of those flaws thay have something to back it up.
Not gonna go into detail but its true.

[BLUESTR☼INC.]

[sachiin]

As far as PVP the game is designed so every class has the same amount of strengths and weaknesses,

[themichael]

As far as PVP the game is designed so every class has the same amount of strengths and weaknesses,

LLLLIIIIEEESSSSS!!!!!!

I'ts desighned so fighters can have an advantage over the long eared people cuz Ons On Soft hates us.

Lol J/k J/k
But fighters are notorious for pwning any class their lvl cuzz they can.

My recomendation for Outspark/Ons On Soft;
Give the fighters big noses or make them wear funny hats so we can laugh at them when they kill us :D
A fair solution, right?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Blackremnant]

there are so many people complaining about how fighters are over powered.
MAGES: if you are a good distance away, use ice bolt/movement slowing skill. then unload whatever skills you see fit to take down the threat. in PvP against a fighter, this will leave you with barely any SP used and a fighter on the ground yelling "MAGES R OVERPOWERED!!!!" (trust me, the mages in PvP KQ at 8X do this and usually have me dead and crying with about 3-4 skills)

ARCHERS: DoT Kite like crazy. the fighter will eventually get bored and try to move onto a new target. when that happens, wait till he is fighting (or not) and spam all your skills. the fighter won't know what hit.


CLERICS: Umm..................from what i have seen, your best bet is to sneak up while another class is fighting and just KS. no offense, but your damage and skills don't give you much power in PvP.

[this is just the random junk I have had dealt on me by the other classes in PvP KQ for lvls 75-89. Of course there are many ways, but these are the ones that have left me (as a fighter) going "***! NUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!"]

[[Remember, only PvP at your own risk. if you kill someone, they will want vengence]]

[willemstyle]

Fighters VS Mages: 0-1
Fighters VS Archers: 1-0
Fighters VS Clerics: 0-0
Mages VS Archers: 0-1
Mages VS Clerics: 1-0
Archers VS Clerics: 0-0

End score:
Fighter: 1
Mage: 2
Archer: 1
Cleric: 0

Conclusion:
Mages are the overpowered class in PvP

[darthnish]

Fighters VS Mages: 0-1
Fighters VS Archers: 1-0
Fighters VS Clerics: 0-0
Mages VS Archers: 0-1
Mages VS Clerics: 1-0
Archers VS Clerics: 0-0

End score:
Fighter: 1
Mage: 2
Archer: 1
Cleric: 0

Conclusion:
Mages are the overpowered class in PvP

prove it >.>

[themichael]

Fighters VS Mages: 0-1
Fighters VS Archers: 1-0
Fighters VS Clerics: 0-0
Mages VS Archers: 0-1
Mages VS Clerics: 1-0
Archers VS Clerics: 0-0

End score:
Fighter: 1
Mage: 2
Archer: 1
Cleric: 0

Conclusion:
Mages are the overpowered class in PvP

Lol.
What jibberish.
If any one thinks mages are overpowered in pvp im laughing at you.

HAHAHA.
(just kiddin I know every1 has their own opinion(as long as its not fighters claiming to be underpowered))

But seriously...mages are the only ones that stand any chance against a fighter. Now that is Semi-overpoered i guess since no other class can.

But i think Mages are on the same lvl as archers.

Fighter:Both (for the most part) I frightened whenever they see an axe fighter.
so both have 1 point lost so both are at -1.but ill give one point to those mages that claim they pwn even END fighters so i'll add another to balance it.

Archer:-1
Mage:0

Cleric:Archer can beat a cleric and I've never seen a mage beat a cleric on on one either so...But after 73 Im sure its possible due to Stiffle so...

Archer:-1
Mage:1

Then archers are notorious for being mage killers so now its..

Archer:0
Mage:0

so i think its even.

evenly underpowered that is...

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[nephilm]

I hate fighters in pvp , no offense neo, but all the fighters I've fought, all had more pride then anything, and when I kill em, they say awww! your a fail mage -.- they have bigger egos then anyone else, like I said no offense

[drakkarthe1st]

clerics are awesome. i dont know if anyone agrees with me. but a cleric like mine which is a str build. has some significate dmg. i have killed many fighters in the past. and i do agree that im not in the 7x or the 8x but still. i havent lost many battles. and no sc bought items once so ever. one more thing about the clerics. has anyone noticed that a cleric in long run of a battle can out resource the fighters. just saying. i dont mean to be offensive if i seem that way. maybe im ignorant who knows. well have a great day.

[themichael]

clerics are awesome. i dont know if anyone agrees with me. but a cleric like mine which is a str build. has some significate dmg. i have killed many fighters in the past. and i do agree that im not in the 7x or the 8x but still. i havent lost many battles. and no sc bought items once so ever. one more thing about the clerics. has anyone noticed that a cleric in long run of a battle can out resource the fighters. just saying. i dont mean to be offensive if i seem that way. maybe im ignorant who knows. well have a great day.

In my opinion, fighers arent to overpowered until the hit 6x.
Until then I found them pretty killable with a good kiting.
(Note: this is from an archer's point of view)

and also...no offense...
But a STR clerics are slaughtered by +9axe fighters 60+.
thats y i always try and get that ks (which i usually do) in pvp kqs because i know that cleric wont make it out anyways :D

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[wannabeguyo]

Lol fighters arent over powerd

the people playing mages n archers just suck.

i mean seriously u ever get people like kouki alexv charlwyn2 or any of them sayin fighters are over powerd?

no in fact when they run into pvp whe nthey actually do they get people starting posts on forums from fighters saying how mages are over poward...... exactly my point now u nubs sayin fighters are over powerd im mage and telling u to S.T.F.U your slow


W.T.F is your problem? GTFO, if you have to talk like that. Learn proper grammar and spelling before you try to insult people. Friggin Nub.

[themichael]

Lol fighters arent over powerd

the people playing mages n archers just suck.

i mean seriously u ever get people like kouki alexv charlwyn2 or any of them sayin fighters are over powerd?

no in fact when they run into pvp whe nthey actually do they get people starting posts on forums from fighters saying how mages are over poward...... exactly my point now u nubs sayin fighters are over powerd im mage and telling u to S.T.F.U your slow

I just saw this post for the 1st time and i have to agree with wannabeguyo.

normally I'd say "wow...thats harsh" or somethin along those lines but after paying attention to the rest or your posts I'm thinking You really shouldn't be on the forums if all you're he for is to further discourage DD's by saying they suck at their class.
And we all knwo the sad truth is Fighters ARE overpowered and make the other classes look like they suck "BEFORE 85" as i hear from most mages.
Yet even still; its very difficult for an uncharmed archer.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]