Why is everyone always complaining about fighters?

[neolancer]

why is everyone complaining about fighters and their stuns?

[themichael]

Because almost no class can withstand that stun.
The stun at max cool is 14 secs and max duration 8secs so every class (exept mages cuzza fear) gets only 6 secs to fight.

(or archers that kite like me)

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[gleeok]

Fighters were always the most popular classes among MMORPGS......And for a good reason:Their built is better than any other classes. The stun is really annoying trust me. If they can't stun, a mage can easily overpower their hp and stone quickly. But stun stops that. Archers, they're luckier. They have 3poison spells that'll reduce fighters' hp down

[whatever1234567]

Because in pvp they are perfect
High damage
Lots of Debuffs
High Defense
Stuns

[devin_nicolai]

The only people that DONT complain are the fighters, Seems

like theyre preferred as the "Hybrid" class, Most stone compasity,

stun, de buffs, no casting times, and stun cooldown of 8 seconds at

max

[thedragonblade]

wats the rep system?

[justlegendary]

why is everyone complaining about fighters and their stuns?

because of nooooooob fighters like "some ppl" who love to run away from 1 on 1 fights but looooooove to run up and devastate ppl while they get teamed by that persons guild members

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/PiMpStAnLeY/screenshot258.png

oh and to be on topic.. fighters own @ pvp and so does every other job class it just depends on the equips, hotkey settings, extenders, etc

[Lazyrogue]

< rant>
Let's sum up fighters, and then let's see if you aren't overpowered
Highest Defense
Highest HP
Highest Damage
Longest Stun
Quickest "stunning cooldown" (fear is 2 mins o.O)
Most HP/SP Stones (wth is up with archers/mages stones?)
Most Debuffs
No Cast times minus self buffs

Really do I have to explain each one of these? That is ridiculous. Archers get no defensive skills (fighters = stun and shield block buff, clerics = invince and all the other skills they have, mages = fear/stifle/chain fear or stifle/mana burn/slow) and woohoo we can kite but we do PHYSICAL damage and it doesn't phase a fighter's hp.

Mages are the only ones with a fighting chance because they have fear and deal magic damage. Even all the damage that mages are doing, fighters still have deal more damage to a mage than vice versa, not to mention that fighter can stun the mage longer with one stun than a mage can chain fear him...... -.-

Try and tell me that the long range is a deficiency of your class? Yeah like I run faster than any fighter, If i turn a corner. boom devastate and it's over and a mages fear is a 2 min cooldown, clerics are only ones that stand a chance and even then, they'll take 6years to take down the fighters stones, unless fighter stuns them for full 8 secs then restones in fbz.

Ugh I am tired of fighters not admitting they are overpowered and bragging of how they woop me in pvp. Of course you did, my class is broken! AND TAKE AWAY BK AIM I MEAN WTH I'M AN ARCHER WITH 909 EVA NATURAL AND I DON'T EVER DODGE A FIGHTER'S BK AXE WTH?!

</ rant>

[Tamlinari]

Fighters seem to be the class of choice for really sick and degenerate minded people who just love to harass lower levels.

They call themselves PKers as though that gives them some sort of credibility.
In actuality they are just immature and sadistic minded people who assert themselves on other through a alternate identity within a game.
The Fighter class is their weapon of choice for this second life kind of power trip that they seem to be on.
The Archer class seems to be a second choice with their ability to poison but not nearly as predominant as the Fighter class.

The Fighter class is really tough and loaded with devastating skills that kill fast and they are very easy for simple minded people with very primitive intellects to level.
It is very rare to ever see those complete idiots in the higher levels harassing other players with either Clerics or Mages.
It is almost always the Fighter class.

It's just my opinion but it is true.

Degenerate minded people will usually choose the Fighter class.
That is not to say that everyone who plays the Fighter class is bad.
There are some that are great and very nice and intelligent but thanks to all of the idiots that gravitate toward the class the assumption has become that Fighters are egotistical pinheads who like to hurt and harass other players.

[Totoros]

Degenerate minded people will usually choose the Fighter class.
That is not to say that everyone who plays the Fighter class is bad.
There are some that are great and very nice and intelligent but thanks to all of the idiots that gravitate toward the class the assumption has become that Fighters are egotistical pinheads who like to hurt and harass other players.

True.
There is a saying in my place:
Give a person power over something or someone and you will see his/her true character/intensions

And to the opener of this thread, just imagine a mage's fear with 13 sec cooldown and an archer's entangle (getting it to like 60 not at the ridiculous 110lvl) with 20 sec cooldown.
Think of this and then come again and post.

[TITLE]

Is this just regarding to 1v1 or Guild Wars beat-all-you-see, because there's different views and judgements on a fighter's purpose and role in each category.

[kiwioyster]

why is everyone complaining about fighters and their stuns?

1. fighter hav ALOT of skills 2 spam @ opponent
2. ALL fighters offensive skills r immediate cast
3. their 8sec stun give them enuf time 2 spam all of their skills at the other player. and if after this the opponent is still not dead, the fighter will kno its gona be a tough fight, and they will still hav time 2 run away b4 stun times out.

this is y fighter owns in pvp, and becuz they own, we need 2 complain, cuz we all want our own class 2 own in pvp, right? so tht other class can complain about it

[Blaxcalibur]

1. pvp isnt a necessity
2. in most MMO's ive played/tested/read the forums to, fighters are the #1 1v1 class..followed or topped by archers
3. clerics are naturally a support class..do u really expect to win?
4. mages are better for big pvp events (i.e. guild wars) in most MMOs

your lucky this game isnt like some others where fighters get 2 stuns that dont share CDs (imagine concussive charge and devastate not sharing CDs)....because of the reason our class is in the game and the type of skills we get, we're naturally good at 1v1s in pvp.

if you think being a fighter is easy..make one yourself..get it to lvl73..dont use extenders or charms...then fight a lvl73+ mage. Note how much money you have to spend to get this fighter godly gear and +9s then proceed to get owned by a mage because you cant even hit him. On top of that, if you cant handle lvl73, you cant handle lvl85+ when BKs come in. I cant make you do this of course, but i do challenge you to :)

[neolancer]

because of nooooooob fighters like "some ppl" who love to run away from 1 on 1 fights but looooooove to run up and devastate ppl while they get teamed by that persons guild members

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/PiMpStAnLeY/screenshot258.png

oh and to be on topic.. fighters own @ pvp and so does every other job class it just depends on the equips, hotkey settings, extenders, etc

for your info i was 5x like 55 getting attacked by a 66 that has skills, armor, and weps that i didn't have so hush your mouth and you guys warred in the first place. this isn't the place to discuss wars make your on topic and start from there

[Celtic_Princess]

Why do fighters complain about clerics healing? Why to they complain about archers kiting? Why do they complain about mages fear/stifling?

Its just that those are the skills in PvP that no one really wants to face. Cleric fights last forever if you're close to the same level...esp. if you're facing an end/spr build cleric. Archer fights last forever if you're a cleric and can cure everything, or if you're any other class and can't catch them >.>. Mage fights are generally over quick one way or the other...but stifle is the bane of my existance XD

I have a cleric main, I know how much I hate facing someone who's maxed their deva...but for a fighter thats almost essential. If you're a dd with max deva you take minimal damage assuming that it sticks. It allows a fighter to grind longer on their own, or to better protect the pt (read: tank) should they be with others.

Personally, as a cleric, it annoys me sometimes to get caught in the cross fire of a deva...but if I'm allowed to use all of my skills I would expect my opponent to use all of theirs. Deva included. I can't guage the extent of my own skills if my opponent is taking it easy on me ^^

EDIT: Btw Delta, the screenshot you've posted is technically blacklisting...I'd suggest removing it before a CL or admin does it for you :)

[neolancer]

hey cp and i don't complain about other classes skills, but i do complain about getting attacked by this same guy in abyss just because he hates the guild i'm in.

ps: i don't really care for heal, natures protection or w/e it is, or fear/strifle because i have like 300+ mdef for a fighter and a stunned archer can't really kite you or attack you with their aoe if you don't chase them

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

< rant>
Let's sum up fighters, and then let's see if you aren't overpowered
Highest Defense
Highest HP
Highest Damage
Longest Stun
Quickest "stunning cooldown" (fear is 2 mins o.O)
Most HP/SP Stones (wth is up with archers/mages stones?)
Most Debuffs
No Cast times minus self buffs

Really do I have to explain each one of these? That is ridiculous. Archers get no defensive skills (fighters = stun and shield block buff, clerics = invince and all the other skills they have, mages = fear/stifle/chain fear or stifle/mana burn/slow) and woohoo we can kite but we do PHYSICAL damage and it doesn't phase a fighter's hp.

Mages are the only ones with a fighting chance because they have fear and deal magic damage. Even all the damage that mages are doing, fighters still have deal more damage to a mage than vice versa, not to mention that fighter can stun the mage longer with one stun than a mage can chain fear him...... -.-

Try and tell me that the long range is a deficiency of your class? Yeah like I run faster than any fighter, If i turn a corner. boom devastate and it's over and a mages fear is a 2 min cooldown, clerics are only ones that stand a chance and even then, they'll take 6years to take down the fighters stones, unless fighter stuns them for full 8 secs then restones in fbz.

Ugh I am tired of fighters not admitting they are overpowered and bragging of how they woop me in pvp. Of course you did, my class is broken! AND TAKE AWAY BK AIM I MEAN WTH I'M AN ARCHER WITH 909 EVA NATURAL AND I DON'T EVER DODGE A FIGHTER'S BK AXE WTH?!

</ rant>

Dude I hear you -,-

Us Archers have it bad in PvP lol the only class we can kill easy are mages xD IN ALL SERIOUSNESS Archers need a couple defensive skills, either that or fighters deva gets bumped to a 2 min CD like mages fear...its only fair. =/

[wannabeguyo]

Fighters seem to be the class of choice for really sick and degenerate minded people who just love to harass lower levels.

They call themselves PKers as though that gives them some sort of credibility.
In actuality they are just immature and sadistic minded people who assert themselves on other through a alternate identity within a game.
The Fighter class is their weapon of choice for this second life kind of power trip that they seem to be on.
The Archer class seems to be a second choice with their ability to poison but not nearly as predominant as the Fighter class.

The Fighter class is really tough and loaded with devastating skills that kill fast and they are very easy for simple minded people with very primitive intellects to level.
It is very rare to ever see those complete idiots in the higher levels harassing other players with either Clerics or Mages.
It is almost always the Fighter class.

It's just my opinion but it is true.

Degenerate minded people will usually choose the Fighter class.
That is not to say that everyone who plays the Fighter class is bad.
There are some that are great and very nice and intelligent but thanks to all of the idiots that gravitate toward the class the assumption has become that Fighters are egotistical pinheads who like to hurt and harass other players.

Agreed :D!

Why do fighters complain about clerics healing? Why to they complain about archers kiting? Why do they complain about mages fear/stifling?

Its just that those are the skills in PvP that no one really wants to face. Cleric fights last forever if you're close to the same level...esp. if you're facing an end/spr build cleric. Archer fights last forever if you're a cleric and can cure everything, or if you're any other class and can't catch them >.>. Mage fights are generally over quick one way or the other...but stifle is the bane of my existance XD

I have a cleric main, I know how much I hate facing someone who's maxed their deva...but for a fighter thats almost essential. If you're a dd with max deva you take minimal damage assuming that it sticks. It allows a fighter to grind longer on their own, or to better protect the pt (read: tank) should they be with others.

Personally, as a cleric, it annoys me sometimes to get caught in the cross fire of a deva...but if I'm allowed to use all of my skills I would expect my opponent to use all of theirs. Deva included. I can't guage the extent of my own skills if my opponent is taking it easy on me ^^

EDIT: Btw Delta, the screenshot you've posted is technically blacklisting...I'd suggest removing it before a CL or admin does it for you :)

Archers really can't kite forever. Everyone runs at the same speed (Stupid developers....elven archers are always the fastest class -.-) and it takes time to cast skills while running. For some reason you will eventually be caught up with. And using aoe while running makes you stop sometimes.

[Blaxcalibur]

Dude I hear you -,-

Us Archers have it bad in PvP lol the only class we can kill easy are mages xD IN ALL SERIOUSNESS Archers need a couple defensive skills, either that or fighters deva gets bumped to a 2 min CD like mages fear...its only fair. =/

yea..its truly fair.....
a fighter would get 1 chance to stun every 2 mins while every other class can either kite or spam diff heals...keep the good ideas comin

[themichael]

yea..its truly fair.....
a fighter would get 1 chance to stun every 2 mins while every other class can either kite or spam diff heals...keep the good ideas comin

Yea it is fair actually. And will be until a mages fear's cool is 14 secs and archers get entangle with a cool of 15secs.
(lol like its gonna happen with OnsOn soft in charge though :) )

with the 14sec cool and 8 sec duration One inly gets 6 secs to attack b4 they are stunned again(unless they are out of range).

Is that fair?
Yea i dont think so.
BESIDES the fact that any archer/mage that fighters lvl wont survive all 10000(i love doint hat :) ) of the fighters immediate casts if they "stand there and Fight" like most fighters say (unless they're cookied/ +9ed).

An archers immediate casts arent even nearly as fast as a fighters BTW.

P.S. Lol why do I see the same people in every Fighter vs. archer/mage thread?
Ive been laughing about that 4 awhile.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[themichael]

Agreed :D!



Archers really can't kite forever. Everyone runs at the same speed (Stupid developers....elven archers are always the fastest class -.-) and it takes time to cast skills while running. For some reason you will eventually be caught up with. And using aoe while running makes you stop sometimes.

I totally agree.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[mysweetescape]

Likely, because any Fighter over 43+ is terribly hard to beat in PvP if they've got an aim scroll and they're near enough you stun you.

What they do, ish:
Stun-Spam Skills-Deva-Spam Skills-Stun-Spam Skills-Deva-Spam Skills...

Basically until joo are dead. o.o

I dun like to really train my chars, just talk and hang out :P So I've got no idea what's going on with the higher lvls... o.o

Just wondering... Does a Mage have more than one skill that acts like Fear? I mean, coz if they did, they could just go like...

Fear-Spam Skill-Whatever acts like Fear-Spam Skill-Fear-Spam skill-Whatever acts like Fear

You get my point. Dx

Mostly ppl will complain about Fighters because Clerics/Archers can't kill them as easy as another class because of Fighters Def. Mages could likely keel them, but then again, Mages have low Def and less Hp stones than Fighters, so... yeah. o.o

If people are complaining because of some other reason than PvP, I actually do not have any idea why. ><

[themichael]

Likely, because any Fighter over 43+ is terribly hard to beat in PvP if they've got an aim scroll and they're near enough you stun you.

What they do, ish:
Stun-Spam Skills-Deva-Spam Skills-Stun-Spam Skills-Deva-Spam Skills...

Basically until joo are dead. o.o

I dun like to really train my chars, just talk and hang out :P So I've got no idea what's going on with the higher lvls... o.o

Just wondering... Does a Mage have more than one skill that acts like Fear? I mean, coz if they did, they could just go like...

Fear-Spam Skill-Whatever acts like Fear-Spam Skill-Fear-Spam skill-Whatever acts like Fear

You get my point. Dx

Mostly ppl will complain about Fighters because Clerics/Archers can't kill them as easy as another class because of Fighters Def. Mages could likely keel them, but then again, Mages have low Def and less Hp stones than Fighters, so... yeah. o.o

If people are complaining because of some other reason than PvP, I actually do not have any idea why. ><

Well mages have several pvp skills like fear but the most annoying is stifle. Stifle is a skill that delays skills 4 seconds(i beleive) b4 they are actually casted but no theres nothing quite like fear but stun abd the only difference is Fear makes one run around.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[allyyCORE]

Tsk tsk tsk.

Listen everyone, as a fighter, we're not always the top.

First of all, you're not looking at the bigger picture; for example, there is no increasing m.def when enhancing armor, which means mages have a plus when it comes to enhancing armor because they get more p.def. Second, archers and mages have the ability to strike at a distance; to ability to attack at a distance is a tactic, which most don't use. Obviously if you just stand there, you're gonna get hit. Clerics have three forms of healing; pots, stones, and skills. Third, fighters cannot stun, spam, then deva; devastate and concussive charge share the same cool down which means they cannot be used in a chain.

It is true that archers have it hard right now with the lack of skills... but clerics shouldn't complain. They're the ones who are harder to kill in PVP, especially if they're full END and it happens to be a player who knows how to play their class/character. And if you doubt me, ask Jadestar herself, who has had up to 10, if not more players attacking her at once, all different classes. YET SHE WON'T FALL. Mages have some of the most awesome skills in my opinion; Stifle is such a pain, and it's a lot more worse when any of their skills are combined with chain-casting.

A fighter has the right to stand a chance and it comes down to being able to last when attacked from a distance, and being able to hit hard when we have you cornered.

[themichael]

If u could enhance M.Def NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE could kill a fighter and the game would just be TOTALLY imbalanced.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[mysweetescape]

o.o Okay... So...
Fighters are over powered
Mages are over powered
Clerics are over powered

...

Which of them is actually over powered?!

~_~ I'm gonna guess that it depends what you're playing, how you're playing, what + weapon, what + armour, and what spark cash items you have.

[spiritofchaos]

Lol the damage on a BK wand +9 and a BK Axe +9 is FAR. Even if fighters have low mdef (which can be boosted by spr gears), a mage simply does not have enough power to take down that monstrous hp before getting stunned and spammed by a plethora of skills. Still, you must add that one deva can buy the fighters time to stone, or pot. We all know it, fighters are WAY too overpowered in pvp.

[numot]

Topic phails. Fiesta isnt fully released, so there will be balance issues. mages get stun next cap raise. so there, with time comes balance.

[EvilDarkAngel]

I agree with peoples claims, that fighters get stun, why the hell is the cool time not any higher? i am a cleric, i hate stun....and i hate the abyss where people just go FIGHT for no reason i ONLY go to the abyss for training! plz if you see DeadlyDeathAngel in abyss leave him be! i hate being spawned upon! i have like 10seconds normally if that to think and run! but in abyss my comp takes forever to load, therefore by the time im in, im already dead! i loose 3k worth of exp soon to be 4k because of lvl increase :/

[chabuu]

how can you dis about fighters not able to be killed? *ahem*
fighter vs cleric = no progress
fighter vs mage = annoying chasing
fighter vs archer = same as above, but with poison.
fighter vs fighter = take turns stunning.

so~~ they cant be killed easily, but its also hard for them to kill as well. range is a huge advantage. especially if your an aggressive person.

[kwadjo12]

Mages lightning bolt should stun. Clerics trip should stun! Clerics bleed should BLEED. I think you all get the point. ANd archers should get entangle.

[hemmes]

EXACTLY! I was gonna post the same thing. Mages would be very powerful if lightning bolt would stun, but it was intended like that. I dont get why all the classes had to compromise except fighters...

[themichael]

EXACTLY! I was gonna post the same thing. Mages would be very powerful if lightning bolt would stun, but it was intended like that. I dont get why all the classes had to compromise except fighters...

Im not quite sure if its true or not but i have been told that lightning originally did stun and Mages Had Way more power until the fighter population began to complain. after that they removed the mages stun and Nerfed the mages power.

I beleive the lvl cap was 59 back then.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Shaden]

Im not quite sure if its true or not but i have been told that lightning originally did stun and Mages Had Way more power until the fighter population began to complain. after that they removed the mages stun and Nerfed the mages power.

I beleive the lvl cap was 59 back then.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Not in our version.

Also, every class gets more power than Archers there - they all would have stuns while entangle is near useless versus a Mage or Cleric, because they can do ranged hits and still heal. Need a lock-down effect for all classes.

[themichael]

Not in our version.

Also, every class gets more power than Archers there - they all would have stuns while entangle is near useless versus a Mage or Cleric, because they can do ranged hits and still heal. Need a lock-down effect for all classes.

Do u know what version that was?
And what ranged attack do clerics have besides their future Aoe?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[vizzerdrixx]

lol wow people are really betching about fighters how funny

my mage has about 900 def at lvl 84 and i can still survive a stun from a lvl 86 fighter with a +9 bk and have enough time to fear him and wear down his hp before chain fear is over (he is pure end btw)

as for clerics they are very killable but cant put out enough dmg i dunno where u guys got the idea that they are overpowered lmao but if u make a cleric dont try and expect to do some dmg you should have known what your class was made for k thx <3

and lol archers well nobody likes u and all the high lvl archers that i know are just assholes and we honestly cant wait until they make you guys even weaker the next cap increase


lol and if u guys havnt seen the lvl 110 mage spells ya were going to be overpowered out of our asses but unfortunatly that wont be for another year =/

[Blaxcalibur]

Lol the damage on a BK wand +9 and a BK Axe +9 is FAR. Even if fighters have low mdef (which can be boosted by spr gears), a mage simply does not have enough power to take down that monstrous hp before getting stunned and spammed by a plethora of skills. Still, you must add that one deva can buy the fighters time to stone, or pot. We all know it, fighters are WAY too overpowered in pvp.

wat is this monstrous hp u speak of? O.O

u cant blame the fighter for picking out end gears, and isnt high (not monstrous) hp part of being a fighter? so if we had the same hp as mages it would be balanced? i think not

when you see real monstrous its most likely from a extender..not all fighters are walkin around w/ crazy high hp, ppl seem to think our hp hits 5k naturally for some reason now...

well see how much mages complain when they get every counter fighter skill at their disposal (debuff cancel (all debuffs at once), a skill that puts ur target to sleep, summons, and w more aoes (one causing their oppenent to not be able to use skills) )....if your gonna argue and say we get a ranged attack..yea we do 1 WHOLE ranged attack, w/ a 3min CD.

ppl also seem to forget that the fighters role in a pt is to be the brick wall and mob control...i wonder how many kq would fail, aoe pts would die, or clerics quit because fighter cant do his job efficiently...you dont like devastate? then u must like dyin..becuz w/ that kqs will fail indefinitely, clerics will have heart attacks from trynna heal the whole pt, and squishys would be fallin left and right...guess some ppl dont think about that tho

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

lol wow people are really betching about fighters how funny

my mage has about 900 def at lvl 84 and i can still survive a stun from a lvl 86 fighter with a +9 bk and have enough time to fear him and wear down his hp before chain fear is over (he is pure end btw)

as for clerics they are very killable but cant put out enough dmg i dunno where u guys got the idea that they are overpowered lmao but if u make a cleric dont try and expect to do some dmg you should have known what your class was made for k thx <3

and lol archers well nobody likes u and all the high lvl archers that i know are just assholes and we honestly cant wait until they make you guys even weaker the next cap increase


lol and if u guys havnt seen the lvl 110 mage spells ya were going to be overpowered out of our asses but unfortunatly that wont be for another year =/

Lol how about those mages that are under 73? Wait wait a second HOW ABOUT THE MAGES UNDER 59! Did you kill fighters your level then? I dont think so. Sure mages can kill fighters, but they why do they have to wait for 60 levels before they even stand a chance and even then they dont even live half their fights until after 73. EVEN THEN its a long shot for half of the mages in this game.

Also tell me your not an SC user or have extenders and I will belive you can kill a full END fighter over your level...

[vizzerdrixx]

Lol how about those mages that are under 73? Wait wait a second HOW ABOUT THE MAGES UNDER 59! Did you kill fighters your level then? I dont think so. Sure mages can kill fighters, but they why do they have to wait for 60 levels before they even stand a chance and even then they dont even live half their fights until after 73. EVEN THEN its a long shot for half of the mages in this game.

Also tell me your not an SC user or have extenders and I will belive you can kill a full END fighter over your level...

lol i dont care for mages under lvl 59 dunno why they are wasting their time with pvp then but its really not that imbalanced. Considering that i havnt been lower than lvl 70 for a year (back when mages were ridiculously overpowered) all i can say is just play smart cuz yes it is very possible to beat fighters

and yes i am an sc user during guild wars but i dont know why id waste them while messing around in pvp

and considering your a lvl 43 mage i dont know why your opinion really even matters let alone the fact that your an archer u should really learn to read kid k thx <3

[luv2chat1992]

Because it makes killing a fighter almost impossible if the levels are reasonably close and the fighter knows what they are doing.

[Shadowfiend]

Lol the damage on a BK wand +9 and a BK Axe +9 is FAR. Even if fighters have low mdef (which can be boosted by spr gears), a mage simply does not have enough power to take down that monstrous hp before getting stunned and spammed by a plethora of skills. Still, you must add that one deva can buy the fighters time to stone, or pot. We all know it, fighters are WAY too overpowered in pvp.
Yes, spr can boost m.deff, but thats not much change. You need A LOT spr to make significant change in m.deff.
Mages lightning bolt should stun. Clerics trip should stun! Clerics bleed should BLEED. I think you all get the point. ANd archers should get entangle.
First, Archers WILL get entangle, at lvl 100+, and if cleric's belled should BLEED then why not all of fighter's skills make you bleed too ? Doesn't sharp, pointy weapons make cuts ? Second, should Power Hit knock your target back if its so powerful ? .... Lastly, Bone slicer..... If it slices your bones wouldn't you be KO in 1 hit ? ...Names don't exactly tell what skill can do.... Creators ran out of imagination and maybe used random words to name skills .... Its a possibility...... >>

[themichael]

Yes, spr can boost m.deff, but thats not much change. You need A LOT spr to make significant change in m.deff.

First, Archers WILL get entangle, at lvl 100+, and if cleric's belled should BLEED then why not all of fighter's skills make you bleed too ? Doesn't sharp, pointy weapons make cuts ? Second, should Power Hit knock your target back if its so powerful ? .... Lastly, Bone slicer..... If it slices your bones wouldn't you be KO in 1 hit ? ...Names don't exactly tell what skill can do.... Creators ran out of imagination and maybe used random words to name skills .... Its a possibility...... >>

SHH!
Ur gonnagive them more ideas to make fighters even stronger :eek:

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[Shadowfiend]

Because it makes killing a fighter almost impossible if the levels are reasonably close and the fighter knows what they are doing.
... A lot of fighters that I've met had no idea in what order skills should go or even WHAT do skills do ... and some of them were 60+ Oo ....

[whatever1234567]

The real reason at least i complain about fighters is because of chain stunning there is absolutely no protection from 2-3 fighters just coming up to you and stunning you non stop. They should institute a stun immunity during pvp no that does not mean fighters can't stun all it means is if you are stunned you can't be stunned again for 10 seconds leaving pve perfectly fine and making pvp alot more fair

[themichael]

lol wow people are really betching about fighters how funny

my mage has about 900 def at lvl 84 and i can still survive a stun from a lvl 86 fighter with a +9 bk and have enough time to fear him and wear down his hp before chain fear is over (he is pure end btw)

as for clerics they are very killable but cant put out enough dmg i dunno where u guys got the idea that they are overpowered lmao but if u make a cleric dont try and expect to do some dmg you should have known what your class was made for k thx <3

and lol archers well nobody likes u and all the high lvl archers that i know are just assholes and we honestly cant wait until they make you guys even weaker the next cap increase


lol and if u guys havnt seen the lvl 110 mage spells ya were going to be overpowered out of our asses but unfortunatly that wont be for another year =/

*sigh*
I honestly dont like to see these people come on threads but o well..

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[allyyCORE]

The real reason at least i complain about fighters is because of chain stunning there is absolutely no protection from 2-3 fighters just coming up to you and stunning you non stop. They should institute a stun immunity during pvp no that does not mean fighters can't stun all it means is if you are stunned you can't be stunned again for 10 seconds leaving pve perfectly fine and making pvp alot more fair

chain stunning is only a matter of luck bro. if you take on three fighters with crazy devving power, you better have an sc pot. ideas like 'stunning immunity' is not really a good idea.

... A lot of fighters that I've met had no idea in what order skills should go or even WHAT do skills do ... and some of them were 60+ Oo ....

skills don't have a specific order that they should be used in.
as long as you know what they do, you can use any skill in any order.

Also, for those people saying fighters should have a higher cd on devastate... well maybe mages sp should be half gone when using frost nova and the other half when using inferno. or maybe making a cd longer on magic missile 1 or lowering the dmg on it enough that you are forced to upgrade it.

you guys don't like that eh?

live with the fact that deva will remain as it is until a major upgrade.

[hemmes]

skills don't have a specific order that they should be used in.
as long as you know what they do, you can use any skill in any order.


Thats the point. If you know what they do, you wont use them randomly. Unless your here for pure hack and slash and dont use any form of strategy.

I have a patern in my skills, with every class. Its based upon logic and my personal preferences.

[Totoros]

... A lot of fighters that I've met had no idea in what order skills should go or even WHAT do skills do ... and some of them were 60+ Oo ....


skills don't have a specific order that they should be used in.
as long as you know what they do, you can use any skill in any order.


Thats the point. If you know what they do, you wont use them randomly. Unless your here for pure hack and slash and dont use any form of strategy.

I have a patern in my skills, with every class. Its based upon logic and my personal preferences.

im sure Shadowfiend talks about arranging your fighter's skills so that there is not a slight pause between the spamming of the skills.

hail to fighter's spams
hail to fighter's domination

***whispers***even a ten year old kid could see the imbalance in this game***sad thing is that with every patch applied things get worse***

[mikeandamina]

Lets see all their advantages.

-High damage
-A bagillion de-buffs
-High defence
-STUN
-Stun aoe
-3 weapons of choice(More diversity)
-Great armour(Hate the armour on guys, talk about showing your belly alot lol..)
-Immensly invincible in pvp with scrolls and buffs
-Immense Hp
-Intence amount of Hp recovered using one stone
-Hp stones are at their highest with fighters
-Sp stones may be small but they are alot more cheaper than Hp for fighters
-Can eat mages and archers easily

And disadvantages

-Low carry on sp stones fixed with potion production
-Low sp but fixed with pots and stones
-Low m defence which can be hightened with sp gear


And thats about it.

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

My point of view towards other classes when i fight them ._.~

Fighters = ... -sees a fighter take out his axe- AGHH!!! RUNNNNNN

Cleric = <3 this class I LOVE pvping, cuz its fun (plus i dont always win, but sometimes i do) (: plus stifle is like a big middle finger to clerics and their heals XDDD but i love you anyways

Archer = ._. owey... it hurts fighting them too ._. i hate their DOTs >.> but they're great lurers ^^


Mage = ._. may the sexiest win :O

[mysty2]

praticly fighters are complaining about archers

[themichael]

OOO i wanna do one.

Fighter= *Kites while they're holding +0 S/S* ha! he has no chance. *decides to stop and tank* Fighter decides too pull out the +9 axe and cast a bajillion instant casts.
Mike dies =/ But at leats I die cool and fly! :D

Cleric= *kites also and say* "why are u still chasing me? I wont kill u and u cant kill me."
*cleric sais* cuz i like to cure Dots." Mike decides to stop and tank. ~3 mins later~ "U wanna quit now Cleric?" "Sure" * we both walk different directions*

Mage= OOOO some1 I can kill with ease. *casts all 3 Dots* Mage casts Nova *move out the way and shoot mist* Mage casts Inferno *move out the way and spam the few skills I have and say* "Wow...that was fun Is this what the fighter feels?"

Archer= -ARGGHH- I hate these guys. *cast all 3 Dots* Archer casts all 3 also *Uses mist but misses and thinks* "that dosent happen much" archer uses Speed *uses speed for the heck of it then power and aimes shot* archer uses power and aimed shot *both fall to the ground and I say* "Wow we die cool!" archer sais "I know! Right?!!"

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[themichael]

praticly fighters are complaining about archers

They have no reason too. :confused:

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[allyyCORE]

im sure Shadowfiend talks about arranging your fighter's skills so that there is not a slight pause between the spamming of the skills.

hail to fighter's spams
hail to fighter's domination

***whispers***even a ten year old kid could see the imbalance in this game***sad thing is that with every patch applied things get worse***

Shadowfiend was actually referring to paying attention to the debuff's that fighter skills have. That includes reducing dmg, decreasing aim and evasion, decreasing dmg, etc.

Lets see all their advantages.

-High damage
-A bagillion de-buffs
-High defence
-STUN
-Stun aoe
-3 weapons of choice(More diversity)
-Great armour(Hate the armour on guys, talk about showing your belly alot lol..)
-Immensly invincible in pvp with scrolls and buffs
-Immense Hp
-Intence amount of Hp recovered using one stone
-Hp stones are at their highest with fighters
-Sp stones may be small but they are alot more cheaper than Hp for fighters
-Can eat mages and archers easily

And disadvantages

-Low carry on sp stones fixed with potion production
-Low sp but fixed with pots and stones
-Low m defence which can be hightened with sp gear


And thats about it.

-High damage, ok.
-A bagillion debuffs? no. 4 debuffs, three regular attacks, two which are aoe's.
-High defense against physical damage. Not m.defense, which you pointed out. Though SPR gear isn't enough to compensate for the low defense.
-Regular stun is useless when you have deva for two reasons; it doesn't deal any dmg, and it shares the same cool down with deva. you might as well stick to aoe'ing, stunning, and dealing damage with deva.
-The weapon diversity and the armor visuals do nothing about stats.
-Scrolls and buffs are easily taken by mages.
-One HP stone recovers a certain percentage from base health, which means it doesn't include extenders or scrolls.
-Just as we can eliminate archers and mages, they can do the same against us. the advantage is in the player who has the skills.

praticly fighters are complaining about archers

Fighters don't complain about archers. It's opinions like these that make the fighter community look like a bunch of wimps. Obviously we know better than to pick a fight with a DD'ing fighter. But it's not always about devastate people. geeze.

[vizzerdrixx]

lol you say its not all about deva but if fighters no longer had it than they would be practically useless in pvp

[TITLE]

O.o This thread is still going on?..

Seriously after reading the thread every shared opinions are leaning toward the pure STR builds. Of course it's natural for any STR fighter to whip out the heaviest dmg out there in PvP. Yes this build most likely will pwn anyone in PvP and that's the meaning of going STR in the first place.

Now I believe I know where people got the idea of fighters shredding magi and archers to death easily. Yet, take into account that most of the opponents(fighters) that go into PvP are likely pure STR power houses extender/buffs or not.

Now look at the other builds, pure END and DEX both are at the same caliber in offense taken they both share an equal amount of given STR/crits. SPR on the other hand has the regular same offensive dmg as the other two builds with more luck leaning towards critical assault, building up faster dmg.

Fighters shredding down anyone in PvP like flies? No, those are simply fighters that has focus on STR/DMG. Perhaps if a END and/or DEX build user can wipe out a mage with heavy extender/buffs with ease w/o the help of charms, then we'll complain when that day comes. Then again, that just means you should stop the point of 1v1.

[mikeandamina]

Shadowfiend was actually referring to paying attention to the debuff's that fighter skills have. That includes reducing dmg, decreasing aim and evasion, decreasing dmg, etc.



-High damage, ok.
-A bagillion debuffs? no. 4 debuffs, three regular attacks, two which are aoe's.
-High defense against physical damage. Not m.defense, which you pointed out. Though SPR gear isn't enough to compensate for the low defense.
-Regular stun is useless when you have deva for two reasons; it doesn't deal any dmg, and it shares the same cool down with deva. you might as well stick to aoe'ing, stunning, and dealing damage with deva.
-The weapon diversity and the armor visuals do nothing about stats.
-Scrolls and buffs are easily taken by mages.
-One HP stone recovers a certain percentage from base health, which means it doesn't include extenders or scrolls.
-Just as we can eliminate archers and mages, they can do the same against us. the advantage is in the player who has the skills.


-Ok so now you have 9 attacks, 4 of which lowers the others stats leaving the 5 to do the rest
-High defence which applys to 2 classes, mages are just stunned and killed anyway.
-I've heard that normal stun when it is enchanced with duration has a much more higher amount of stun duration so thats for pvp and aoe is for pve or pvp.
-Aesthetics are important cause I don't think many people would play a class that wears garbage, but theres really no class with anything bad. Atleast in my veiw.
-Weapon diversity does do things to stats, its not like your gonna have an axe with the exact same damage as a sword, and people who like looks and have differen't preferances feel more comfortable with more diversity.
-Scrolls and buffs...it enchances you by a kagillion percent, mage skills which take them away don't always work and buff steal is at a pretty high level-I rarely ever see it in pvp
-Yea and? It still does a chunk of hp recovery all in the press of a button, whether its with a buff or extender it still does a very big chunk and anyways you can live without extenders with ease
-Well I see mages being stunned and spammed anyway then dead in about a minute--but it doesn't always mean fighters win all the time. Archers....the same goes but it is extremely more difficult, I got a DD archer and it is so hard up against a fighter without a buff, extender and scrolls, and pots and stones.

[s0rryk0]

Fighters seem to be the class of choice for really sick and degenerate minded people who just love to harass lower levels.

They call themselves PKers as though that gives them some sort of credibility.
In actuality they are just immature and sadistic minded people who assert themselves on other through a alternate identity within a game.
The Fighter class is their weapon of choice for this second life kind of power trip that they seem to be on.
The Archer class seems to be a second choice with their ability to poison but not nearly as predominant as the Fighter class.

The Fighter class is really tough and loaded with devastating skills that kill fast and they are very easy for simple minded people with very primitive intellects to level.
It is very rare to ever see those complete idiots in the higher levels harassing other players with either Clerics or Mages.
It is almost always the Fighter class.

It's just my opinion but it is true.

Degenerate minded people will usually choose the Fighter class.
That is not to say that everyone who plays the Fighter class is bad.
There are some that are great and very nice and intelligent but thanks to all of the idiots that gravitate toward the class the assumption has become that Fighters are egotistical pinheads who like to hurt and harass other players.

i 100% agree with you. a person took me in abyss. killed 5 monsters. quit pt and completely slaughtered me for the fun of it. i lost 10k xp. and after that he decided to kill me before i had the chance to exit! i find them annoying and immiture.

[phatjude16]

fighters are hell so overpowered.. all of their skills etc.. they just own like crazy... no need to explain why... lol

clerics really shouldnt say anything like what celtic princess does.. always clerics.. it's only like this... clerics are hard to kill but in exchange for that they have few offensive skills..

to mages... same like fighters... theres really nothing to complain..

archers.. I pity them.. lol

[mikeandamina]

Yea like the few broken skill and bash.

Mages complain about stone and its true, cause when they level they actualy lose 1 stone and then level and gain one stone---it kicks in at higher levels I think.

Archers...well I don't know why but it says in character description they aid in strategic support.....thats not even true lol. They put all the strategic skills in the highest levels.

[laady]

Because it would appear as though Fighters are the best class by a long shot which makes balance between the classes a joke. I'm not one of those people who thinks perfect balance can really exist but I do believe that you can at least get the classes close to being balanced and that's not happening here with Fighters. Mind you, I'm also not one of those people who is really agitated by it, I can just see what irritates hardcore PvPers and such. I, myself, don't PvP so I can only see the differences amongst my own characters and those of my brother's and boyfriend's.

[chabuu]

fiiiighters done have raaaaange. huge disadvantage in pvp. only thing fighters got is a stun. id say it was a fair trade off. their stun isnt even 100% successful.

[laady]

fiiiighters done have raaaaange. huge disadvantage in pvp. only thing fighters got is a stun. id say it was a fair trade off. their stun isnt even 100% successful.

Mmm, I don't know, my brother is a level 43 Fighter and when he was at a lower level, some Archer attacked him and took off running trying to kite him and all my brother had to do to beat him was use a Speed Scroll so there's a way around the range thing. It works as long as you can keep someone at a distance but once they close in on you, range becomes somewhat irrelevant.

[themichael]

Range isnt a fair trade at all.
Even a master kiter will eventually get caught becasue with every skill used on the run your charater stumbles a bit and loses about 1-2 meters.
So eventually u will be caught up with and stunned unless you're a dex archer with a chance at evading or a mage that uses the ice skill.
(unless a speed scroll is in the picture)

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[chabuu]

er, how isnt range a fair trade again? o.o; its the biggest advantage any pvper could ask for. besides, stun isnt 100% successful, and its not even guaranteed to hit, on top of that not every fighter uses a speed scroll every waking second.

[laady]

It's not really a fair trade because it's possible, very possible if you know what you're doing, to clear the gap between a Fighter and an Archer.

[themichael]

It's not really a fair trade because it's possible, very possible if you know what you're doing, to clear the gap between a Fighter and an Archer.

Excactly.

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[solinarii]

I feel that the main source of all this is that the game is natrually unbalanced and its simply because of us not being able to play the game how it was ment to be played. IT has been changed a lot for one reason or another by the company and there is nothing we can do about it . throwing the blame at each other is fun and all but well its not gonna get us anywhere. Although I dont really like how some fighters or archers do things.

[Canboy]

chain stunning is only a matter of luck bro. if you take on three fighters with crazy devving power, you better have an sc pot. ideas like 'stunning immunity' is not really a good idea.



skills don't have a specific order that they should be used in.
as long as you know what they do, you can use any skill in any order.

Also, for those people saying fighters should have a higher cd on devastate... well maybe mages sp should be half gone when using frost nova and the other half when using inferno. or maybe making a cd longer on magic missile 1 or lowering the dmg on it enough that you are forced to upgrade it.

you guys don't like that eh?

live with the fact that deva will remain as it is until a major upgrade.


okay make mm cd like 40 seconds if you fighters get a cd increase on deva, any mage owuld be happy ^^

[cookiedoughe37]

Fighters seem to be the class of choice for really sick and degenerate minded people who just love to harass lower levels.

They call themselves PKers as though that gives them some sort of credibility.
In actuality they are just immature and sadistic minded people who assert themselves on other through a alternate identity within a game.
The Fighter class is their weapon of choice for this second life kind of power trip that they seem to be on.
The Archer class seems to be a second choice with their ability to poison but not nearly as predominant as the Fighter class.

The Fighter class is really tough and loaded with devastating skills that kill fast and they are very easy for simple minded people with very primitive intellects to level.
It is very rare to ever see those complete idiots in the higher levels harassing other players with either Clerics or Mages.
It is almost always the Fighter class.

It's just my opinion but it is true.

Degenerate minded people will usually choose the Fighter class.
That is not to say that everyone who plays the Fighter class is bad.
There are some that are great and very nice and intelligent but thanks to all of the idiots that gravitate toward the class the assumption has become that Fighters are egotistical pinheads who like to hurt and harass other players.



i agree with your conclusion that fighters are used by a lot of people and some people use them just for power, but i am a fighter. i am a fighter because it suits me, i love the power weaponas and my axe and close-raned tactics. i have a mage and a cleric and an archer. i can see why you guys complain and i understand. archers, you have poison, fast attack rate, ok defense, and mega eva/aim. mages, your def is low, but your fear, sp drain, and high damage makes up for it. clerics, i know this is extremely hard for you, even with your buffs and healing your defense sucks and you cant hit too high so if a fighter stuns you, its about over unless your build is good or you are smart enough to use stones. the fighter class is not overpowered, it is just the build you use and the fighters build that make the difference. gears, builds, enhancements, charms, extenders, and other things form a chracater and their power lvl. maybe instead of blaming the fighters, you should look more into your own build/gears and form a strategy to beat our stun. if you stone at the right moment or form a combo of skills that can defeat or neuralize the stun effect, work on it and perfect it. fighters have power, defense, health and stone capacity, but they dont hit the hardest, the dont hit the fastest and they dont have many buffs. invincibility is a great skill for clerics, more than you know, and if u max it out, then the stun and skills wont cause any damage. look into your strategy more and you will see the flaws of fgihters that you can reveal if you look a little harder. fighters may be strong, but there is always someone stronger.

[pencilxartist]

What about clerics? I guess we aren't that special? >.<

[dark_anime]

Archer are worthless without mobs but where do you gather mobs in free battle zone? That's the problem. Seems that archer are build to gather mobs and send them to fighter then pwn (use aoe skill after fighter is dead) But it not enough though.

[Krozz]

I'm gonna point out the fact that people keep sayin fighter damage isn't that high when they actually have the highest damage in the game, and that people say range is a hug advantage when you can only run from a person for so long before you run into a wall, and considering the fact that mages only have 2 spells (3 if you count mana burn with it's 3 minute cd) that they can cast on the run range isn't that big of an advantage.

[Canboy]

nyah why do people say mana burn makes up for anything on a mage?

one sp stone and its fixed, then we wait 3 minutes -.-

[allyyCORE]

-Scrolls and buffs...it enchances you by a kagillion percent, mage skills which take them away don't always work and buff steal is at a pretty high level-I rarely ever see it in pvp

Just like we fighters hate that skill (that in my opinion, works much more often than you say) and say it rarely works, we say the same thing about our devastate attack (and whatever I just said about how we hate your buff-removing skill, you will say about our devastate).

Also about weapon diversity, if you're gonna go for looks (2h sword for example), don't expect to win a high amount of battles against DD'ing axe users. Don't whine, 'cuz no one wants to hear it. If you want to deal just as much damage, use an axe, period.

[themichael]

Now that u've said that there is something Ive always wondered.

Why does every1 complain about a fighters weapon diversity?
SUre they have 3 weapons but count how many fighters You Know actually use the 2h sword.
Not to many right.

a solution to this problem would be to removve the axe and just leave the 2h.
Or remove the 2h and give the axe its power.

Of corse I dont think its relevent but Alot less archers/mages/clerics would fall to fighters.

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[DeathPyres]

lol wow people are really betching about fighters how funny

my mage has about 900 def at lvl 84 and i can still survive a stun from a lvl 86 fighter with a +9 bk and have enough time to fear him and wear down his hp before chain fear is over (he is pure end btw)

as for clerics they are very killable but cant put out enough dmg i dunno where u guys got the idea that they are overpowered lmao but if u make a cleric dont try and expect to do some dmg you should have known what your class was made for k thx <3

and lol archers well nobody likes u and all the high lvl archers that i know are just assholes and we honestly cant wait until they make you guys even weaker the next cap increase


lol and if u guys havnt seen the lvl 110 mage spells ya were going to be overpowered out of our asses but unfortunatly that wont be for another year =/

Whoah, wait - wut? Why does this strike me as impossible.

Anyways, Archers are OP on BK. LOL. Soooo, hence the enormous nerfing over here. ;/ lol.

Fighters are OP here. It's a simple fact, no need to deny it. I've played every class and I can tell you right now. PvP and PvE-wise... there's no comparison to a fighter. lol

[allyyCORE]

Now that u've said that there is something Ive always wondered.

Why does every1 complain about a fighters weapon diversity?
SUre they have 3 weapons but count how many fighters You Know actually use the 2h sword.
Not to many right.

a solution to this problem would be to removve the axe and just leave the 2h.
Or remove the 2h and give the axe its power.

Of corse I dont think its relevent but Alot less archers/mages/clerics would fall to fighters.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Simple answer my friend; the other classes don't have that third optional weapon so they feel the need to complain about how it makes us overpowered. Take out the 2h, it's pretty much useless, and you still get the same answer; overpowered.

Whoah, wait - wut? Why does this strike me as impossible.

Anyways, Archers are OP on BK. LOL. Soooo, hence the enormous nerfing over here. ;/ lol.

Fighters are OP here. It's a simple fact, no need to deny it. I've played every class and I can tell you right now. PvP and PvE-wise... there's no comparison to a fighter. lol

There is definitely no comparison to be made with a fighter side by side; that's because a fighter is completely different to an archer. to a cleric. to a mage. why would you expect them to be the same thing?

that's how you get stale.

[Romanthedestroyer]

Fighters are the backbone of almost every MMORPG ive ever played.
Sry thus is life, dun like it then dont play :P

[Lazyrogue]

with 11 skills it doesn't matter how i string my skills, they won't do a damn thing. My build doesn't matter because a fighter with a bk will not miss me more than 1/15 hits and i've got 50 dex. My gears are all 30+ dex and 30 end, 3 of them are +9. I have 1.1k def and 900 eva natural and guess what, I still die to a +9 bk axe in his/her skill spam. I can't do anything about it. Kiting works... until they catch up to you because archers can't kill fighters on the run because fighters have uber hp and def. Stun works 85~90% of the time, i'll have you know that. Fighters in fact do not attack slower than archers because of their instant cast attack spam and 1.5 sec auto attack also stacking. While I have 4 instant attack skills which stack with my 1.4 sec bk xbow but in order to stack I must stand still. I'm not faster than a fighter, i'm not stronger, i have less def, i have less hp. I only have eva but whats the point when my 900 eva does nothing when fighters get bk axes and get 850+ aim? How can people tell me that I'm the one at fault for my loss, besides just saying, shouldn't of picked an archer than, tsk tsk.

Not to mention wth is up with mages having less damage then fighters? Mages power should be the highest, by far. Archers should be a little stronger than a fighter because the fighter is supposed to be the "designated tank" Fighter's ridiculous power is an epic fiesta fail V_V

[Klothos]

Everybody complains about Clerics, not Fighters

[emonicarcher]

Fighters are the backbone of almost every MMORPG ive ever played.
Sry thus is life, dun like it then dont play :P

so not true ive played quite a few and personaly this is the only game with this much pathetic balance

like in 1 game archers beat mages mages beast fighters and fighters beat archers BUT mages stand a chance for archers archers stand a chance for fighters and fighters stand a chance to mages as opposed to this game wich every class falls dead flat or as an archer flies flat to a fighter


clerics heal useless if they stunned mages fear last like 4 secs and can back fire if u run to them archer turn a corner when they kite and deva hits threw a wall and thats it

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(")_(")world domination i tellz ya

[mehe20]

Fighters are the backbone of almost every MMORPG ive ever played.
Sry thus is life, dun like it then dont play :P

Yea? Well not this one, clerics are.

[PrincessVox]

I want a word to say...^^
Well first of all people are compalining that Devastate is unfair in PvP. Well there is only one solution for mages, lower down the cooldown for mages fear lol(Cuz 2 mins is just crazy for an PvP skill). I mean increasing Fighters Deva Cooldown would balance PvP, but then ruin AoE Parties.Also giving archers entangle with a sexy 15 sec cooldown, and at a lower level requirement would balance PvP as well.(lv 110 is just crazy!!!). Fighters don't complain "Mages Fear and Archers Entangle are meant for mobs" because you know very well that Deva can also be an excellent PvP and Mob skill.
Second, Fighters shouldn't complain about there "Skills", because they are the only class with about 100% of offensive skills with no cast times. Also there skills are the fastest in animation, so they could intterupt and cast skills quickly.
Third, Fighters complain that axe has the longest Attack Rate(1.5), true...But with all the skills fighters have, they probably have to attack regularly for about 2 times before casting skills again(Since fighters skills have such low cooldowns, with High Damage). Also just to put in, fighters have 3 weapon choices, while every other class has like 2! And saying that Axe has lowest accuracy...PLEASE!!! You fighters know yoyr just lying to yourselves to turn the tables. You know very well that an accuracy scroll would fix that problem just as much as a Vitality scroll would help a Cleric in solo.
Fourth, Fighters have to many stones. Sure you fighters can complain "My sp is low though", it's supposed to be that way because your a fighter!!! But no, developers decide that's not enough...They give fighters more sp stones than a mage and archer combined can compare to. Imagine a Mage having more Hp stones then a fighter. Also fighters have way to many Hp stones. Also now to include that fighters bot Hp and Sp stones recover like 80% of the fighters Hp and Sp bars.
Last is the complains, fighters whine and whine constantly about not having enough skills,hp,def,ETC. When they lose to a mage..."Oh it's not fair", when they lose to a Archer "It's because Archers are way to Over-Powered". But when a Mage or Archer loses to the fighter it's "It's because fighters are best at PvP, not because they are Over-Powered"! Get real gosh. Stop complaining, when you know very well you are. Lol.
PS:I don't mention clerics here, because to be honest...I don't think clerics are meant for PvP fights, but just to heal the Fighter,Mage,or Archer(Although there are a few out there that can Pvp...I congradulate those brave Clericy Warriors lol^^).
Thank You!

[undefined]

People complain about fighters, mages, clerics archers...there's always something wrong and someone is always displeased. It's life. >_>

[Blaxcalibur]

I want a word to say...^^
Well first of all people are compalining that Devastate is unfair in PvP. Well there is only one solution for mages, lower down the cooldown for mages fear lol(Cuz 2 mins is just crazy for an PvP skill). I mean increasing Fighters Deva Cooldown would balance PvP, but then ruin AoE Parties.Also giving archers entangle with a sexy 15 sec cooldown, and at a lower level requirement would balance PvP as well.(lv 110 is just crazy!!!). Fighters don't complain "Mages Fear and Archers Entangle are meant for mobs" because you know very well that Deva can also be an excellent PvP and Mob skill.
Second, Fighters shouldn't complain about there "Skills", because they are the only class with about 100% of offensive skills with no cast times. Also there skills are the fastest in animation, so they could intterupt and cast skills quickly.
Third, Fighters complain that axe has the longest Attack Rate(1.5), true...But with all the skills fighters have, they probably have to attack regularly for about 2 times before casting skills again(Since fighters skills have such low cooldowns, with High Damage). Also just to put in, fighters have 3 weapon choices, while every other class has like 2! And saying that Axe has lowest accuracy...PLEASE!!! You fighters know yoyr just lying to yourselves to turn the tables. You know very well that an accuracy scroll would fix that problem just as much as a Vitality scroll would help a Cleric in solo.
Fourth, Fighters have to many stones. Sure you fighters can complain "My sp is low though", it's supposed to be that way because your a fighter!!! But no, developers decide that's not enough...They give fighters more sp stones than a mage and archer combined can compare to. Imagine a Mage having more Hp stones then a fighter. Also fighters have way to many Hp stones. Also now to include that fighters bot Hp and Sp stones recover like 80% of the fighters Hp and Sp bars.
Last is the complains, fighters whine and whine constantly about not having enough skills,hp,def,ETC. When they lose to a mage..."Oh it's not fair", when they lose to a Archer "It's because Archers are way to Over-Powered". But when a Mage or Archer loses to the fighter it's "It's because fighters are best at PvP, not because they are Over-Powered"! Get real gosh. Stop complaining, when you know very well you are. Lol.
PS:I don't mention clerics here, because to be honest...I don't think clerics are meant for PvP fights, but just to heal the Fighter,Mage,or Archer(Although there are a few out there that can Pvp...I congradulate those brave Clericy Warriors lol^^).
Thank You!

1. just to point out...entangle (in other versions) have a 1min CD..reducing it to 15 sec would be overpowered since it can be used from a distance. mages have a hard enuff time trying to keel them AND stay alive from all that DoT (since their hp is so low). archers would never die in a fair fight between any class w/ such a low CD (in a fair fight is in bold since ppl love to leave that out when theyre complaining)

2. point taken, but ill say i havent seen many (or any) fighters complain about their skills

3. no fighter complains about the axes attack rate...thats only said in a arguement w/ 2h vs axe..where ppl try to prove 2h is a better weapon (but even other classes know its useless)

4. we do have too many hp stones, but sp stones? no..after using most of our skills we have to stone, some have to stone after using just half. how many times can a mage use diff skills w/o stoning? a lot (ive watched) cutting our hp stone by 50 or even 75 wont matter, sp stones run out much faster so we have to restone waaaay before our hp stones reach 0. 80% from one stone? O.O id love to see that happen but no. IF we did get that much hp from one stone, i would say thats a big pvp imbalance..but we dont, so its not.

5. ive never seen a fighter whine about more skills, hp, or def. I will say, contrary to erry non-fighters belief, all our skills are not attacking skills, idk where ppl get that from. From all 32523523million of these threads like this and being spending most of my time in pvp the last month, ive noticed mages are the ones sayin "Oh it's not fair" and archers are sayin "It's because Fighters are way to Over-Powered"..so idk where ur gettin this info from...

fighters know theyre own weaknesses and strengths better than any other class can tell them. mages/archers saying we do too much dmg, no we dont..ur just not meant to take a lot of dmg to begin w/. clerics complain cuz they cant heal when stunned resulting in death, well i apologize for not lettin you be unkillable. i never read anything in the ToS that said its against the rules to kill the supposedly "invincible" cleric..we didnt make the class, we just play it

if you want to complain about something, complain skill dmg is stacked w/ normal dmg..and its not just for fighters

[painleica]

o.o maybe cause when they know they can ''beat u'' they get so mad when u use stun and u pwn them so they start saying fighters are cheap and so on bla bla they wont just admit that they lost thats all :3
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[wannabeguyo]

1. just to point out...entangle (in other versions) have a 1min CD..reducing it to 15 sec would be overpowered since it can be used from a distance. mages have a hard enuff time trying to keel them AND stay alive from all that DoT (since their hp is so low). archers would never die in a fair fight between any class w/ such a low CD (in a fair fight is in bold since ppl love to leave that out when theyre complaining)

2. point taken, but ill say i havent seen many (or any) fighters complain about their skills

3. no fighter complains about the axes attack rate...thats only said in a arguement w/ 2h vs axe..where ppl try to prove 2h is a better weapon (but even other classes know its useless)

4. we do have too many hp stones, but sp stones? no..after using most of our skills we have to stone, some have to stone after using just half. how many times can a mage use diff skills w/o stoning? a lot (ive watched) cutting our hp stone by 50 or even 75 wont matter, sp stones run out much faster so we have to restone waaaay before our hp stones reach 0. 80% from one stone? O.O id love to see that happen but no. IF we did get that much hp from one stone, i would say thats a big pvp imbalance..but we dont, so its not.

5. ive never seen a fighter whine about more skills, hp, or def. I will say, contrary to erry non-fighters belief, all our skills are not attacking skills, idk where ppl get that from. From all 32523523million of these threads like this and being spending most of my time in pvp the last month, ive noticed mages are the ones sayin "Oh it's not fair" and archers are sayin "It's because Fighters are way to Over-Powered"..so idk where ur gettin this info from...

fighters know theyre own weaknesses and strengths better than any other class can tell them. mages/archers saying we do too much dmg, no we dont..ur just not meant to take a lot of dmg to begin w/. clerics complain cuz they cant heal when stunned resulting in death, well i apologize for not lettin you be unkillable. i never read anything in the ToS that said its against the rules to kill the supposedly "invincible" cleric..we didnt make the class, we just play it

if you want to complain about something, complain skill dmg is stacked w/ normal dmg..and its not just for fighters

Fighters damage IS too high. I mean if you can out damage a mage then it should be freakin obvious there is something wrong. You guys have way too many Sp stones. You say that you need to restone very often, well thats a con of being a fighter. If we follow your logic on this, then mages should also get more Hp stones because there Hp drains pretty fast. Ok, even if we aren't supposed to take much damage, how much are you supposed to give? More then a mage??? I think not. You say archers entangle shouldn't be a short cool down...then lets make deva longer.

Recap: You guys have High Hp, High Def, Most Hp stones (Heal the most of any other class), More Sp stones then you should have, High damage, A stun spamming ability, Stack hitting, Most of your skills are for attacking, an axe that gives you more aim then you should have.....Sure whats not overpowering about that /end sarcasm

[themichael]

Fighters damage IS too high. I mean if you can out damage a mage then it should be freakin obvious there is something wrong. You guys have way too many Sp stones. You say that you need to restone very often, well thats a con of being a fighter. If we follow your logic on this, then mages should also get more Hp stones because there Hp drains pretty fast. Ok, even if we aren't supposed to take much damage, how much are you supposed to give? More then a mage??? I think not. You say archers entangle shouldn't be a short cool down...then lets make deva longer.

Recap: You guys have High Hp, High Def, Most Hp stones (Heal the most of any other class), More Sp stones then you should have, High damage, A stun spamming ability, Stack hitting, Most of your skills are for attacking, an axe that gives you more aim then you should have.....Sure whats not overpowering about that /end sarcasm

I always thought They were over powered by that 1st statement, But the Bottom Just put a whole ew light on it.:eek:

I Agree :mad:

But anyways I think the reason fighters are so overpwered on fiesta is because there are only 4 classes.
They Mixed the "tanking melee class" and the "DD melee class" altogether and came up with the "ultimate melle class" with only one common weakness and thats magic.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[kwadjo12]

whatever happened with the christmas patch 2 years ago when archers and mages int and strength was lowered???? We never got our power back ever since. :(

[Eziekial]

ummmm you know, you never complain about us fighters tanking for you, nore useing stun to save your but from mobs. Sacred leon owns pvp alot of the times and i have seen him win pvp KQ.

Fighters are not over powered, we dont get that many more skills than what we have and we of course are going o have high dmg( we have an axe and are called fighters for a reason, not fairies) We have high physical def, no kidding we are armored of course we do. High hp, you would too if you were meant to be a meat sack. Also, Mages out dmg fighters. Its all depends on your build, i can get mag def to 900+ (thats charmed,mag def scroll, cleric buff) and im a fighter, but i know a blast in the face from a full int mage is gona hurt alot. i seen mages do 2500 or 1400dmg on fighters are there lvl 74 vs a lvl 78 fighter.
Archer be patenient, great things are coming for you. If you complain about fighters, then be a fighter. O look problem solved. If you sa i dont like fighters, then oo well were gona stun and vit and smash your head in. Its what we do in pvp.

You think fighters are evil and strong now, we get an axe at lvl 91 that has 6kdmg starting if helga drops it. Enjoy that....that might be over powered >.< but hey its all in fun

[legendking3]

oh yes lets all become fighters, now everyone will have high damage and defence and can tank and all, but wait that's not how this game is sepose to be. THERE ARE FOUR CLASSES SO EACH ONE HAS IT'S ADVANTAGES it ain't fair for one class to have them all, and what's 1400 to a fighter? you got huge HP and deal twice as much damage in half the time with your skill spamming, even the mage's instant cast skills have these long animation and take a while to end before you can cast your next one.

face it fighters got it all and dont wanna loss it, so they try to defend all their awsome abilitys, well guess what overpowering every class isn't how it's sepose to be.

oh and P.S. after lvl 60 i found fighters to be insuffisiont tanks in a large AoE, and i'm usually the one tanking.

[jadedeepfire]

The why is cause a fighter w/o Sc stay being strong with stun high dmg and def,when ppl complain about fighter they always say : but whats with our m.def?
Maybe u got low m.def but is hard to a mage kill someone with 6k hp for example,when u guys only need like 5 seconds and dont miss stun for kill a mage (paper like me :rolleyes:)

Mage with out Sc = HARD TO CAP

[MartianMage]

oh yes lets all556865]oh yes lets all become fighters, now everyone will have high damage and defence and can tank and all, but wait that's not how this game is sepose to be. THERE ARE FOUR CLASSES SO EACH ONE HAS IT'S ADVANTAGES it ain't fair for one class to have them all, and what's 1400 to a fighter? you got huge HP and deal twice as much damage in half the time with your skill spamming, even the mage's instant cast skills have these long animation and take a while to end before you can cast your next one.

face it fighters got it all and dont wanna loss it, so they try to defend all their awsome abilitys, well guess what overpowering every class isn't how it's sepose to be.

oh and P.S. after lvl 60 i found fighters to be insuffisiont tanks in a large AoE, and i'm usually the one tanking.
I agree to this post. Seriously mages are supposed to be the damage class so why do fighters have better damage output than us? It makes my cry when I cycle all through my spells just to kill a single JT with my +9 BK wand while the fighter next to me kills a JT in less than 5 secs.

Fighter damage needs to be toned down or archer/mage damage should be boosted. What's the point of using a nuker/DPS class when the tanker class is outdamaging you?

[kwadjo12]

oh yes lets all become fighters, now everyone will have high damage and defence and can tank and all, but wait that's not how this game is sepose to be. THERE ARE FOUR CLASSES SO EACH ONE HAS IT'S ADVANTAGES it ain't fair for one class to have them all, and what's 1400 to a fighter? you got huge HP and deal twice as much damage in half the time with your skill spamming, even the mage's instant cast skills have these long animation and take a while to end before you can cast your next one.

face it fighters got it all and dont wanna loss it, so they try to defend all their awsome abilitys, well guess what overpowering every class isn't how it's sepose to be.

oh and P.S. after lvl 60 i found fighters to be insuffisiont tanks in a large AoE, and i'm usually the one tanking.

I agree with everything listed here. I vote that archers and mages get the power that we lost a long time ago.:mad: P.S. We lost our power during the christmas patch in 2007.

[mgs_lover]

I was trying to stay away from this thread but i just gotta chip in...ill TRY to keep it short!

Even though this is a pvp thread why all the complaining?? Me thinks some just do it cause of a sore loss...others i guess truly believe theres a bit of unbalance....buuut either way still dont matter, im sure when the developers were makin and brainstorming all their oh so goody ideas for the fighting they were mainly thinking about fighting as a group not only on pvp...just imagine if fighters didnt have deva or those lovely debuffs that cut into their enemies...ya know? Plus as someone mentioned earlier our version is still in process soooo natually theirs going to be a bit of unbalance...not that i see any though...my one and only character i use is a fighter so i know from experience when i say......were not invincible or even overpowered.....only "overpowered" ones i would say are the people who spend their hard earned cash....or for some "gimme money" from their parents on sc items charming the crap outta their characters along with extenders and such buuuut thats apart of the game and good luck going against complaining about sc items long as outspark is gettin their monies doubt anything will change so boohoo ya know..?^_^ just sayin i kinda find these kinda threads pointless...even though everyone has their opinions and likes to be heard dont worry im one of them buuut just sayin...oh and if fighters are strong naturally then guess what :o....good for them :D that means hopefully theyve earned the right to be called invincible if they happen to be extremly hard in pvp buuut in the end so what ya know this game is all about makin buddies and havin fun so just move on ;D
anyways...theres what i have to say was meaning to keep it short but went rolling on and on sooo whoever keeps readin this thread remember....just have fun !! :D

[mehe20]

The reason being is because a class balance is when each class has several major difficulties but several major advantages, fighters have no major difficulty as for the rest of the classes, they do.

So the question comes,"Why don't the fighters have major flaws?"
Well I have no clue but the the fact that fighters don't completely sets the balance on one side, if there was true balance then each class would be able to kill any of the others. But no, clerics can kill archers and mages but not fighters as often, archers can kill mages and clerics(extremely difficult but it has been done), mages can kill archers and clerics, but the one thing in common is that it is so much harder to kill a fighter even more than a cleric.

[IroguroMeek]

O.O No class is technically above any other class. It all just depends on the player. I've gotten owned horribly bad by mages and archers before. And yes even a cleric. Just because fighters have high damage doesn't mean they are invincible.

[mgs_lover]

exactly my point meek...hate to say ive been killed by mages and unfortunatly....(recently) a cleric only once by a cleric tho :D but ya its all depending on the controller and how they deal with the situation at hand ;D

[Blaxcalibur]

Fighters damage IS too high. I mean if you can out damage a mage then it should be freakin obvious there is something wrong. You guys have way too many Sp stones. You say that you need to restone very often, well thats a con of being a fighter. If we follow your logic on this, then mages should also get more Hp stones because there Hp drains pretty fast. Ok, even if we aren't supposed to take much damage, how much are you supposed to give? More then a mage??? I think not. You say archers entangle shouldn't be a short cool down...then lets make deva longer.

Recap: You guys have High Hp, High Def, Most Hp stones (Heal the most of any other class), More Sp stones then you should have, High damage, A stun spamming ability, Stack hitting, Most of your skills are for attacking, an axe that gives you more aim then you should have.....Sure whats not overpowering about that /end sarcasm

fighters only outdmg mages in a for a SHORT PERIOD of time. we spam our skills then were stuck w/ auto attack and 2 short CD attacks. if uve ever seen 2 fighters fight ull notice that if the first skill spam doesnt kill then the fight will take a while. i dun even wanna get into the complaints of dev..thats a whole other paragraph alone.

high hp, high def, high hp stones...wat do u expect from a tank? is this serious?

207sp stones isnt even close to "too many"....you just dont have "enuff" complain to outspark about your stone count, not ours..and frankly i dont see how stone number contributes to being overpowered

14secs is considered spam now? o.o...i missed that memo

stack hitting. again, complain to outspark. it is a unresolved glitch, there is nothin a person who plays fighter class can do about it, unless u expect us to auto attack all the time

why would we not have a bunch of attacking skills? lemme show u this btw


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were called fighters, wat are we suppose to have..a bunch of defensive skills? just lookin at our natural STR u can see were meant to do dmg

and when did axe give MORE aim....axes havet he lowest aim in the game, not just of all fighter weapons...in the entire game. if by that comment u was referring to BK axes then u should say that, and last time i checked..BK weapons gave ERRYBODY more aim than they should..and it has been proven BKs can miss..ive seen it happend, ive had a few BK users miss on me w/ only 6xx eva, thats not even close to bein full dex geared

bottomline we'll see whose overpowered when mages get an aoe skill that locks up their opponents skills and the same for clerics (but non aoe...i think), or when archers get a skill that blinds. any decent mage will tell u how easy it is to beat a NON CASH SHOP (meaning no charms, not havin 6k hp, non of that) fighter. clerics and archer for now just get the short end of the kill stick. the game is in open beta and we havent seen all the skills yet. just be patient and youll see fighter isnt all as cracked up as it seems to be

[resigood]

oh yes lets all become fighters, now everyone will have high damage and defence and can tank and all, but wait that's not how this game is sepose to be. THERE ARE FOUR CLASSES SO EACH ONE HAS IT'S ADVANTAGES it ain't fair for one class to have them all, and what's 1400 to a fighter? you got huge HP and deal twice as much damage in half the time with your skill spamming, even the mage's instant cast skills have these long animation and take a while to end before you can cast your next one.

face it fighters got it all and dont wanna loss it, so they try to defend all their awsome abilitys, well guess what overpowering every class isn't how it's sepose to be.

oh and P.S. after lvl 60 i found fighters to be insuffisiont tanks in a large AoE, and i'm usually the one tanking.

this coming from a mage...
my mage i almost give up on due to lack of defense
but its the way they are supposed to be

you want fighters to have lower stats?
the only fighters you should be worried about are the ones who use extenders and charms with +9 armor

but then again you should be worried about ANY class with those

i was owned by a cleric 3 lvls higher doing over 1k dmg, i did like 98 dmg?
fighters have extrememly low m.def, a mage with charms, extenders and +9 armor can EASILY win a fighter

face it each class has their own roles to play
Fighters are tankers, meat shields, used to take damage with their high defense (however damage dealers dont really follow this role)
Mages are AoE damage dealers, used to quickly kill big groups of mobs (dont see anyone complaining how fast they kill a field of mobs compared to others?)
Archers are lurers, they pull the best with their poison, and can pretty much do major damage along the way
Clerics are a support healing class, they heal the party and provide buffs (however clerics go on strike? they dont heal? forget their role? clank?)

You complain when a fighter kills you in PvP
you complain you cant kill them easy

if you wasnt having these problems then fighters would be bad at their jobs..

i dont see people complaining that mages take all the mobs when they duo with clerics for speed
i dont see people complaining that clerics think they're fighters

im not just sticking up for fighters since my highest lvl is a fighter, i actually dislike using him because stones and skills are too expensive with high priced armor

Fighters lack AoE abilities, archers and mages can kill groups really fast, which also benefits clerics partying with them
Fighters are outcasted because of this, if they didnt own in pvp, or kq, where would they fit in?

[MartianMage]

O.O No class is technically above any other class. It all just depends on the player. I've gotten owned horribly bad by mages and archers before. And yes even a cleric. Just because fighters have high damage doesn't mean they are invincible.

I believe the statements before your post clearly shows that fighters are above the other classes. You can't deny that fighters have the highest hp, highest def, and for god's sake even highest damage. You can't deny this fact. And I'll repeat myself. What's the point of using a nuker/DPS class when the tanker class is outdamaging you?

There's clearly something wrong with the fighters here.

@Blaxcalibur

"fighters only outdmg mages in a for a SHORT PERIOD of time."

That's a blatant lie. Fighters outdamage mages and archers regardless of time period. If you insist on your statement then why don't you specify exactly the number of seconds where we will actually outdamage a fighter so we can run a test and prove that you're wrong. =/

[Blaxcalibur]

I believe the statements before your post clearly shows that fighters are above the other classes. You can't deny that fighters have the highest hp, highest def, and for god's sake even highest damage. You can't deny this fact. And I'll repeat myself. What's the point of using a nuker/DPS class when the tanker class is outdamaging you?

There's clearly something wrong with the fighters here.

@Blaxcalibur

"fighters only outdmg mages in a for a SHORT PERIOD of time."

That's a blatant lie. Fighters outdamage mages and archers regardless of time period. If you insist on your statement then why don't you specify exactly the number of seconds where we will actually outdamage a fighter so we can run a test and prove that you're wrong. =/

wow really? o.o sooo how much dmg do we actually do while were waiting 50sec, 2mins,3mins, 20secs for our skills to CD while archers do constant DoT and mages mages throwin out aoes erry wat...15secs? and those aoes last how long? while were stuck using 3 attacks for 20secs not to mention the 2 skills w/ 20sec CDs are low dmging. u can easily see how much more dmg over a period of time mages/archer do just by fighting bosses. no mage/archer = much slower kills

EDIT : i also noticed (judging by your sig) u dont have a fighter? i can tell you right now when it comes to killing normal mobs..fighters are faster because normal mobs dont have alot or def n hp until around lvl84ish (or at least thats when i noticed) and at that lvl mobs have crazy high m.def...which is why archers rule Burning Rock

[MartianMage]

wow really? o.o sooo how much dmg do we actually do while were waiting 50sec, 2mins,3mins, 20secs for our skills to CD while archers do constant DoT and mages mages throwin out aoes erry wat...15secs? and those aoes last how long? while were stuck using 3 attacks for 20secs not to mention the 2 skills w/ 20sec CDs are low dmging. u can easily see how much more dmg over a period of time mages/archer do just by fighting bosses. no mage/archer = much slower kills

EDIT : i also noticed (judging by your sig) u dont have a fighter? i can tell you right now when it comes to killing normal mobs..fighters are faster because normal mobs dont have alot or def n hp until around lvl84ish (or at least thats when i noticed) and at that lvl mobs have crazy high m.def...which is why archers rule Burning Rock

I asked you to give me how many seconds will mages/archers overtake fighters in terms of damage. Are you unable to give me any time at all and all you can do is talk about your skills's cd? Since you're the first one to talk about how mages/archers outdamage fighters you should have the correct time to back it up no?

And my sig is outdated. I have a level85 fighter and a level86 mage and lol my fighter does BR quests a lot faster than my mage. Of course how can my fighter be actually faster than my mage? Simple, the damage my fighter does is much greater than my mage.

[rider15]

Fighters are good in 1 vs1
they can deal more dmg than any other class in 1 vs 1 fights like fighting a boss or
whatever .
but when its time to aoe they are the worrest just like when i aoe in TR i never invited a fighter to party and if you ask why? cuz we dont need one
so they have fun in pvp killing they will have hard time aoe-ing .
well thats how things works cuz i have been a fighter and i know about them
so there is no perfect class here so just deal with it ppl.

[deathbringer54]

cause we r awsome....

[MartianMage]

Fighters are good in 1 vs1
they can deal more dmg than any other class in 1 vs 1 fights like fighting a boss or
whatever .

And this is what I'm talking about. No class can outdamage a fighter regardless of time periods. Archers also have 15 secs average for their skill cds so do mages. Archer skills are also very few and bleed/poison is not 100% guaranteed. On the other hand mages have terrible cast times for most of our powerful skills. Most of our skills that have no cast time are weak and as good as a fighters normal attack and worse we don't get free attacks in between skills. There's no time period where an archer/mage will outdamage a fighter.

but when its time to aoe they are the worrest just like when i aoe in TR i never invited a fighter to party and if you ask why? cuz we dont need one
so they have fun in pvp killing they will have hard time aoe-ing .
well thats how things works cuz i have been a fighter and i know about them
so there is no perfect class here so just deal with it ppl.

Of course fighters lose in aoe because they only have 1 aoe but that's to be expected no? I mean we are mages. We are the nuker class so we should be the kings of aoe damage. The issue here is why is the tanker class outdamaging the DPS/nuker class in 1v1? I think it should be obvious that the correct damage ranking should be:

For aoe:
1. Mage
2. Archer
3. Fighter
4. Cleric

For single targets:
1. Archer
2. Mage
3. Fighter
4. Cleric

That should be the correct hierarchy. And it's funny how the tanker class is beating the 2 damage class in single target damage dealing. Fighter damage has to be toned down or if you won't settle with that archer/mage damage has to be boosted. I've said it twice and I'll say it again. What's the point of using a nuker/DPS class if the tanker class is outdamaging you?

[kwadjo12]

I just dont get the reason why archers and mages should be called damage dealers when fighters clearly do a lot more damage.
CLass balance needs to be fixed. :/

[KonataIzumi]

I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to read up every single post up till now(page 11). :s So if my comments seems way off or has no link to what you guys have been discussing up to now, please forgive me. :)


Why are everyone constantly complaining about fighters, the main reason I can think of is their stun followed by a series of skills with no casting time.


But thats only the concept of PvP.
If you notice, these complains about warriors are mostly derived from PvP.
If we put in other features of what the game has, such as
KQ
Grinding
Quests/Party

thats when fighters fall below. As of late, more and more mages/archers having full +9 equips, they can tank as much as they want & can without warriors. Just more work for clerics and more attention payed to HP.

As it goes,
Warriors: 1v1/14s-3m aoes
Mages: 1v##
Archers: 1v##
Clerics: 1v1/Support

Granted, warriors are the only class that can kill an(or some) Elite/Boss/Chief monster(s) by themselves without much effort. xD

The bottomline is still the same.
Each class has their own advantages and disadvantages.

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

I dont get how people say that fighters are SUPPOSED to be the best single target hitters. Why is that? I thought the fighters role was tanking and protecting the party. Why would they need really high damage if there are mages around?

I think tanks should just be able to take damage, and hold argo. They dont need skill spams, and over powered melee damage. Its the Mages/Archers job to kill creatures, they fighter is supposed to just protect the mages/archers/clerics.

Bottom line fighters should not be able to out damage Archers/Mages. Like I've said before Deva with full cool down has a 14 second cool time. Max duration its 8 seconds long. So Archers/Mages/Clerics assumming they surrvive the first skill spam they have 6 seconds to kill the fighters...thats impossable. With Mage cast times, and archers having to stick poisons first theres just no way they can kill a fighter.

Sure Stun can fail it dose, and against archers it misses alot, but until Mages get fear they often get stunned again and die. Archers their poisons cant hurt more then the fighter uses stones. So when an archer starts running, shoots all his/her poisons. The fighter Stones, now hes at full HP, archer uses Aimed Shot and Power shot, now the fighter's health is around 2/3 to 1/2 full. Fighter stuns, kills archer.

Fighters are over powered. Mages/Archers are supposed to deal the most damage, single, and AoE wise thats why they are called the DAMAGE DEALERS. Fighters should just be able to tank, and with full STR just be able to solo just as good as a mage/archer.

[kwadjo12]

I dont get how people say that fighters are SUPPOSED to be the best single target hitters. Why is that? I thought the fighters role was tanking and protecting the party. Why would they need really high damage if there are mages around?

I think tanks should just be able to take damage, and hold argo. They dont need skill spams, and over powered melee damage. Its the Mages/Archers job to kill creatures, they fighter is supposed to just protect the mages/archers/clerics.

Bottom line fighters should not be able to out damage Archers/Mages. Like I've said before Deva with full cool down has a 14 second cool time. Max duration its 8 seconds long. So Archers/Mages/Clerics assumming they surrvive the first skill spam they have 6 seconds to kill the fighters...thats impossable. With Mage cast times, and archers having to stick poisons first theres just no way they can kill a fighter.

Sure Stun can fail it dose, and against archers it misses alot, but until Mages get fear they often get stunned again and die. Archers their poisons cant hurt more then the fighter uses stones. So when an archer starts running, shoots all his/her poisons. The fighter Stones, now hes at full HP, archer uses Aimed Shot and Power shot, now the fighter's health is around 2/3 to 1/2 full. Fighter stuns, kills archer.

Fighters are over powered. Mages/Archers are supposed to deal the most damage, single, and AoE wise thats why they are called the DAMAGE DEALERS. Fighters should just be able to tank, and with full STR just be able to solo just as good as a mage/archer.
Yay!!! At least someone gets its!!! :) Mages and archers are supposed to be the damage dealers, not the fighters!

[wannabeguyo]

ummmm you know, you never complain about us fighters tanking for you, nore useing stun to save your but from mobs. Sacred leon owns pvp alot of the times and i have seen him win pvp KQ.

Fighters are not over powered, we dont get that many more skills than what we have and we of course are going o have high dmg( we have an axe and are called fighters for a reason, not fairies) We have high physical def, no kidding we are armored of course we do. High hp, you would too if you were meant to be a meat sack. Also, Mages out dmg fighters. Its all depends on your build, i can get mag def to 900+ (thats charmed,mag def scroll, cleric buff) and im a fighter, but i know a blast in the face from a full int mage is gona hurt alot. i seen mages do 2500 or 1400dmg on fighters are there lvl 74 vs a lvl 78 fighter.
Archer be patenient, great things are coming for you. If you complain about fighters, then be a fighter. O look problem solved. If you sa i dont like fighters, then oo well were gona stun and vit and smash your head in. Its what we do in pvp.

You think fighters are evil and strong now, we get an axe at lvl 91 that has 6kdmg starting if helga drops it. Enjoy that....that might be over powered >.< but hey its all in fun
Dude...if your not going to contribute to the discussion then STFU and GTFO (said in a very nice way :D). Fighter are supposed to have high defense and hp, yes I understand that, but not the highest attack. Any class given highest Hp/defense and highest damage, even you should understand what that equals.

fighters only outdmg mages in a for a SHORT PERIOD of time. we spam our skills then were stuck w/ auto attack and 2 short CD attacks. if uve ever seen 2 fighters fight ull notice that if the first skill spam doesnt kill then the fight will take a while. i dun even wanna get into the complaints of dev..thats a whole other paragraph alone.

high hp, high def, high hp stones...wat do u expect from a tank? is this serious?

207sp stones isnt even close to "too many"....you just dont have "enuff" complain to outspark about your stone count, not ours..and frankly i dont see how stone number contributes to being overpowered

14secs is considered spam now? o.o...i missed that memo

stack hitting. again, complain to outspark. it is a unresolved glitch, there is nothin a person who plays fighter class can do about it, unless u expect us to auto attack all the time

why would we not have a bunch of attacking skills? lemme show u this btw


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n14/SWeeTooTH_08/Untitled-2.jpg
were called fighters, wat are we suppose to have..a bunch of defensive skills? just lookin at our natural STR u can see were meant to do dmg

and when did axe give MORE aim....axes havet he lowest aim in the game, not just of all fighter weapons...in the entire game. if by that comment u was referring to BK axes then u should say that, and last time i checked..BK weapons gave ERRYBODY more aim than they should..and it has been proven BKs can miss..ive seen it happend, ive had a few BK users miss on me w/ only 6xx eva, thats not even close to bein full dex geared

bottomline we'll see whose overpowered when mages get an aoe skill that locks up their opponents skills and the same for clerics (but non aoe...i think), or when archers get a skill that blinds. any decent mage will tell u how easy it is to beat a NON CASH SHOP (meaning no charms, not havin 6k hp, non of that) fighter. clerics and archer for now just get the short end of the kill stick. the game is in open beta and we havent seen all the skills yet. just be patient and youll see fighter isnt all as cracked up as it seems to be

Again if we follow that logic, then everyone should be able to out damage mages as long as it's for a short period of time. Mage is the OPTIMAL output damage class. Doesn't matter how long your damage is higher then theirs, the point is ITS HIGHER. No class should be able to out damage them, no matter how long the time period. Besides, all the Fighter needs is that short amount of time and your hp is 0. This is about fighter vs. other classes not fighter vs. fighter.

I expect a tank to do his job. You don't need need a high amount of everything to be able to do that.

Omg, I'm guessing you aren't really looking at the aim on those axes. Check out the BK axes and learn, the aim is way too high. Bk CAN miss, but it's so infrequent that it doesn't matter if it does. Fighter are supposed to be a close range melee class, yes, but they aren't supposed to be a close range mage class, with melee damage.

This game isn't even in OB anymore -.-. Go research, Fiesta Online is in full commercial production. Come back when you have the facts.

I dont get how people say that fighters are SUPPOSED to be the best single target hitters. Why is that? I thought the fighters role was tanking and protecting the party. Why would they need really high damage if there are mages around?

I think tanks should just be able to take damage, and hold argo. They dont need skill spams, and over powered melee damage. Its the Mages/Archers job to kill creatures, they fighter is supposed to just protect the mages/archers/clerics.

Bottom line fighters should not be able to out damage Archers/Mages. Like I've said before Deva with full cool down has a 14 second cool time. Max duration its 8 seconds long. So Archers/Mages/Clerics assumming they surrvive the first skill spam they have 6 seconds to kill the fighters...thats impossable. With Mage cast times, and archers having to stick poisons first theres just no way they can kill a fighter.

Sure Stun can fail it dose, and against archers it misses alot, but until Mages get fear they often get stunned again and die. Archers their poisons cant hurt more then the fighter uses stones. So when an archer starts running, shoots all his/her poisons. The fighter Stones, now hes at full HP, archer uses Aimed Shot and Power shot, now the fighter's health is around 2/3 to 1/2 full. Fighter stuns, kills archer.

Fighters are over powered. Mages/Archers are supposed to deal the most damage, single, and AoE wise thats why they are called the DAMAGE DEALERS. Fighters should just be able to tank, and with full STR just be able to solo just as good as a mage/archer.
Thank you! Mage and Archer are supposed to do the highest damage. Followed by Fighter then Cleric. Fighter having the most skills to protect himself and the party, Cleric having the most skills to heal and keep the party alive. Mage and Archer are the elven races that are bred for uneven odds, they are supposed to have the best Aoe and single target damage. Mage having the strongest Aoe and single target skills with the lowest defense. Archer with the ability to support mage Aoe attacks with constant poison, with lower damage and more defense then a mage. Class rolls are completely screwed up in this game.

[Jakerock]

I have a fighter and cleric (Both are hugeee nooooobs but w/e)

Anyways, i like the stun on the fighter. I dont get mad when someone stuns my char's because I LOVE my stun, so i dont blame em haha

[A_geezy]

I'm not going to bother quoting it, but Blaxcalibur said it best: 1. Mages will absolutely own fighters in a non-CS fight, at higher levels even most fighters won't get a shot off; 2. The game is still in open beta, we don't have the full thing and I suspect that there will be a lot more quests added so that getting to level 100+ and evening out the PvP thing will be a lot easier then capping has ever been.

I don't know why there needs to be this argument, in my humble opinion most of this is regurjatated half-rants equal to little more than mental masturbation.

[wannabeguyo]

I'm not going to bother quoting it, but Blaxcalibur said it best: 1. Mages will absolutely own fighters in a non-CS fight, at higher levels even most fighters won't get a shot off; 2. The game is still in open beta, we don't have the full thing and I suspect that there will be a lot more quests added so that getting to level 100+ and evening out the PvP thing will be a lot easier then capping has ever been.

I don't know why there needs to be this argument, in my humble opinion most of this is regurjatated half-rants equal to little more than mental masturbation.

Ill say it one more time, Fiesta Online is in FULL Commercial Production.

[kwadjo12]

lets all hope that when cap is raised, a lot of class balance problems will get fixed.

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

lets all hope that when cap is raised, a lot of class balance problems will get fixed.

It wont fix with a cap raise because if in the cap raise classes do become imbalenced, that means that Fighters are over powered for over half the game (assumming the max level is like 150). How fair is that? Most Archers will have quit by level 80 lol.

[themichael]

Well...
If a mage/archer has too scroll/buff completely up to stand any chance,
Use every defenesive skill in the book/Use all the strategies they know,
fear every chance possible/Run around and around casting poison and STILL get stunned and killed by the 1st skill spamming that should make it pretty obvious the game isnt 2 balanced to any extent.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[mehe20]

Well...
If a mage/archer has too scroll/buff completely up to stand any chance,
Use every defenesive skill in the book/Use all the strategies they know,
fear every chance possible/Run around and around casting poison and STILL get stunned and killed by the 1st skill spamming that should make it pretty obvious the game isnt 2 balanced to any extent.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Yea....thats pretty obvious, and true.

[cryragon]

Fighters have become too powerful in this game, because the developers haven't nerfed them yet.

The history of power struggle in Fiesta Online:

Due to archer's dominance in Bright Kingdom, the developers nerfed archers in Outspark's version; the known changes are slower attacking speed and several archer skills removed.

Back in the days of CB, clerics were immortals with their infamous 30 seconds invincibility spell, that's with 18 seconds cooldown time.

When the level cap was 79, mages dealt way too much damage, not even archers stand a chance against them.

[wannabeguyo]

Fighters have become too powerful in this game, because the developers haven't nerfed them yet.

The history of power struggle in Fiesta Online:

Due to archer's dominance in Bright Kingdom, the developers nerfed archers in Outspark's version; the known changes are slower attacking speed and several archer skills removed.

Back in the days of CB, clerics were immortals with their infamous 30 seconds invincibility spell, that's with 18 seconds cooldown time.

When the level cap was 79, mages dealt way too much damage, not even archers stand a chance against them.
There is a difference between nerfing and decapitating. And it isn't a fine line.

[darthnish]

There is a difference between nerfing and decapitating. And it isn't a fine line.

epic, i love you <3

[cryragon]

There is a difference between nerfing and decapitating. And it isn't a fine line.
Basically, if you want the developers to fix archers, then they have to fix the other two classes too. Since that's the hard way, so most likely no sane developer would do it.

It's a lot easier to just nerf another class, rather than to re-adjust the power balance of all classes. Maybe that's why dirty fixes are awesome in the eyes of most developers.

I know people will call this a lazy act, but realistically it's just one of the ways to save the company's resources.

Think like this: if they spend several weeks to adjust the balance of all classes, then they have to halt the new content updates, that most likely would generate even more complaints from the players.

It's hard to please everyone while maintaining good finance for the shareholders.

[sketch1313]

i dont see people complaining that mages take all the mobs when they duo with clerics for speed
i dont see people complaining that clerics think they're fighters

Well, while I agree with the last statement, (hell, I'm a cleric and I get annoyed with the egotistical, "I can tank!" cleric quite a bit) the first bit id kind of.... off.

You see.... you're complaining that Mages can destroy tons of mobs quickly and efficiently with AoE skills, and that they can stay alive when being supported by a cleric. You're basically criticizing the mage of doing its job as the DD, and partying with a cleric so it can do its job, support. This is just total idiocy. I mean... really? You thin it's bad that the mage is dealing damage like it's supposed to, and the cleric is healling him?

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Now, alot of people (including outspark, apparently) don't seem to realize that the formula goes like this:

THE TANK:
ATK: Moderate
DEF: High
END: High

THE DAMAGE DEALER:
ATK: High
DEF: Low/Moderate
END: Low

THE SUPPORTER:
ATK: Low (MidLow or Moderate with full STR)
DEF: Low-Moderate (Moderate in terms of Fiesta)
END: Moderate

This is what we call balance. The Tanker goes out and acts as a sheild of sorts, while also being able to kick a bit of *** on his own. The damage dealers (who all seem to use ranged attacks... hmmm... I wonder why? Maybe its so they can wipe out monsters while the tank aggros for them? Just a hunch.) deal most of the damage... thus the name damage dealers.
The supporter is to buff and heal the party, while also, if capable, take care of a few monsters as well.

But what we wind up getting is an overpowered tank, a weakened set of DD's, and some idiot clerics who think that their tanks (again, Im a cleric, and I do like to fight with my trusty mace quite a bit more than stand around and be a healbot... I just know that there are times that I need to step away from the battle for a bitt to heal and buff). This can partially be blamed on Outspark... not only did they seem to bump up the damaging skills of fighters, but they felt that the damage dealers did too much damage, apparently, and scrapped almost all of the archer skills, as well as screwing with the warrior damage ratio, leaving mages totally crippled.

Someone at Outspark seriously needs to reconsider the changes they made. For gods sake.... you're throwing the class balance off completely!

[wannabeguyo]

Basically, if you want the developers to fix archers, then they have to fix the other two classes too. Since that's the hard way, so most likely no sane developer would do it.

It's a lot easier to just nerf another class, rather than to re-adjust the power balance of all classes. Maybe that's why dirty fixes are awesome in the eyes of most developers.

I know people will call this a lazy act, but realistically it's just one of the ways to save the company's resources.

Think like this: if they spend several weeks to adjust the balance of all classes, then they have to halt the new content updates, that most likely would generate even more complaints from the players.

It's hard to please everyone while maintaining good finance for the shareholders.

I really hope that's not what's happening. New content isn't more important than the core of the game, Class Balance, the balance is bad enough as is because of some idiotic changes made in the past. Tons of people have quit the game, I remember when Elderine was COMPLETELY full. Taking away all those skills and nerfing our damage is freakin retarded. It should be obvious that one or two classes will be left out in the rain.

I know that the developers are in Korea and they make the final decisions, but Ons On Soft and Outspark are both to blame for the current character balance issues. When I say current, I'm referring to those times in the past where there were character balance issues, they release a patch, and it ruins something else, and eventually this repeats itself. I see why they are having such a hard time fixing things. Because instead of cracking down on bugs, some Outspark employees seems to have the time to insult previous GMs.

As long as we have people like OS and Ons On making and deciding things for us, a lot of aspects of this game will fail. They can't seem to understand simple logic. So, don't expect many major PvP changes. We have all been begging for major changes for almost 2 years. If they cant fix anything in 2 years.....then what can they do, because they sure as hell can't provide me with a good gaming service.

epic, i love you <3
^^, it's true though right? XD

[kwadjo12]

OS and On Ons are too dumb too actually fix anything. The only thing they do is put more items into the cash shop that we don't need. :/

[skinnbonesam]

well it's not that all fighters are bad or anything .... it's just that they have a huge advantage in pvp with deva, yes my cleric can heal .....and I annoy most fighters my same lvl because unlike some clerics I actually use stones when I need them ... so I last through most of their stuns and then proceed to run and heal .. at which point ... I get told to stand and fight .... ... yeah sure ... that's entirely fair >.>.....( this usually happens in pvp kq if you were wondering why the heck a cleric is trying to pvp lol)

lol soz I went a little bit into rant mode there XD ...... but yeah fighters deva stun ... is quite the advantage over other classes in pvp . rant over . lol

[wannabeguyo]

I don't think all the issues derive from deva. It plays a big role, but their damage is also way too high.

gon to bed...ill check back later.

[kwadjo12]

i almost gave up on my mage. i have 1.4k health with about 500 def at lvl 63!!! :(
i saw a fighter with 2.9k at lvl 62 with about 1.1k def. :( And he's a full strength fighter. :(

[justlegendary]

i almost gave up on my mage. i have 1.4k health with about 500 def at lvl 63!!! :(
i saw a fighter with 2.9k at lvl 62 with about 1.1k def. :( And he's a full strength fighter. :(

at 68 i have 2.4k hp 700 def pure str and this is not the only game where certain classes are OP you should look at PKO/ToP videos on youtube.. a crusader with regular equips could 1 hit ko sealmasters, sharpshooters, and sometimes champions too even if they have full con

now a sealmaster is a mage and max dmg it deals is around 3k~4k with godly equips (probably 8k dmg with buffs and a +27 staff)

crusader could easily do 8k~20k dmg regular equips or +3 dual swords and with +27 dual swords at level 90+ (like T3 and Birchy) they can deal 1.2million dmg to monsters, bosses, even to players in pvp so thats what i call unbalanced and its been like that for over 2 years now no balance patches at all

they might balance things in fiesta though maybe when they raise the cap

[kwadjo12]

when is the next cap raise T.T

[BainS-NT]

Why are you guys complaining, mage vs fighter PvP is the most fun and even matchup in the game

[Seccjosh]

Why are you guys complaining, mage vs fighter PvP is the most fun and even matchup in the game

I think not. Every class has its own main attributes. Archers have SPR/DEX so technically they're supposed to be 'anti' mage since SPR adds M.Def and Dex adds Evasion. Similarly, Mages are supposed to have an advantage over fighters, and Fighters the only ones able to kill clerics since their heal is impossible to out-dps for other classes. Point being that mages should have more of an advantage over fighters.
IMO they should shorten the duration of stun that fighters have because right now it seems completely imba.

[Takuya98]

true the stuns are evil

[zombie7775]

Fighters seem to be the class of choice for really sick and degenerate minded people who just love to harass lower levels.

I'm a fighter and i have to say this is funny :)

I do see this all the time though and I'm even annoyed at it, only when i'm in the abyss trying to lvl though. Mainly i'm mobbing in lvl 70 abyss and here come a lvl 8x fighter deva's me mid mob kills me. >.>

Stun is fine because the main part of the game is the quests and lvling NOT the pvp thats just something to do when your bored with the other stuff. Stun is needed for the fighters to mob and solo cause unlike mages and archers, we don't get to hit the monsters a few times before they get to us or run a bit while attacking, and unlike clerics who although don't have many attack skills clerics can keep themselves alive without wasting a bunch of stone. Fighters stun is keeping them from having to use many more stones to live.

What this really comes down to is the people that blindside you without you having a change to really respond. Every class has their way to avoid hits its just did the person your pvping have the time to use that or did you basically mug them.

[samuraimandc]

M.Dmg(mage)---->dead fighter(low m.def)
physical Dmg(fighter)------> dead mage(low def)

mage low def fixed by +9 gear
fighter low m.def not fixed by +9 gear
thay are ment to kill eachother :D

[wannabeguyo]

People keep getting off the tracks D:....*reroutes tracks*

[themichael]

Wow. I missed alot.
but anyways...from what I see every1 is talking about the stun and how overwhelmingly powerful it is. Personaly, I beleive that Deva isn't the main problem. The main problem is their rediculous damge output.

The reason stun is such a big problem is the duration...duration is 2 long (8 secs at max)... cool is 2 short(14 secs at max)...not enough fighting time(14-8=6secs)...ur stunned more time then u actually get to damage them(look at the last one)
BUT even if we were stunned they shouldn't be able to deal ebough damage to kill any1 in 8 seconds.
Stun is a necessity though because if they didn't have it, personally, A fighter my lvl would never kill me. Unless I was playing around and attempted 2 tank. But never would I in a serious instance.

Therefore, there are several solutions 2 the overpowered fighter.
1. Lower their damage (my choice)
2. Decrease the duration of stun.(my least favorite)
3. Increase the cool of stun by 10 secs at the least.
4. or finally, up the capabilities of the other classes that were nerfed several times due to poor decisions.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[kwadjo12]

Wow. I missed alot.
but anyways...from what I see every1 is talking about the stun and how overwhelmingly powerful it is. Personaly, I beleive that Deva isn't the main problem. The main problem is their rediculous damge output.

The reason stun is such a big problem is the duration...duration is 2 long (8 secs at max)... cool is 2 short(14 secs at max)...not enough fighting time(14-8=6secs)...ur stunned more time then u actually get to damage them(look at the last one)
BUT even if we were stunned they shouldn't be able to deal ebough damage to kill any1 in 8 seconds.
Stun is a necessity though because if they didn't have it, personally, A fighter my lvl would never kill me. Unless I was playing around and attempted 2 tank. But never would I in a serious instance.

Therefore, there are several solutions 2 the overpowered fighter.
1. Lower their damage (my choice)
2. Decrease the duration of stun.(my least favorite)
3. Increase the cool of stun by 10 secs at the least.
4. or finally, up the capabilities of the other classes that were nerfed several times due to poor decisions.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]
Give us back our power that archers and mages lost a long time ago.
P.S. If they designed archers and mages to be this weak, then there crazy.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34048

[keratzoman]

IMO,the best skill for arches would be an Increase stun/debuff resistance,even by 5%.

[MartianMage]

IMO,the best skill for arches would be an Increase stun/debuff resistance,even by 5%.

uhhh... no. For one your suggestion only covers archers and although devastate is a really strong skill the main issue here is the fighter's damage output and also the low damage output of mages/archers.

[ToshCrimson]

IMO,the best skill for arches would be an Increase stun/debuff resistance,even by 5%.

woot 5% :D which means they still have a 93% chance to stun (2% is natural stun resist) and if you have 50 dex then they only have an 85% chance to stun you (u could evade a bk.... ya i know im joking) So even with this solution the fighters has a 93% chance to stun an archer. Big help keep them coming.

[spheris]

simply because they cant hack being killed :3

[gregysuper]

uhhh... no. For one your suggestion only covers archers and although devastate is a really strong skill the main issue here is the fighter's damage output and also the low damage output of mages/archers.

Ehm I;d like to correct that, archers have low dmg, mages do AWESOME dmg vs fighters

[kwadjo12]

Ehm I;d like to correct that, archers have low dmg, mages do AWESOME dmg vs fighters

i think this is funny. If you compare the dmg from a mage or archer to a fighter, the fighters dmg is way better then the dmg of the mage or archer.

[ToshCrimson]

i think this is funny. If you compare the dmg from a mage or archer to a fighter, the fighters dmg is way better then the dmg of the mage or archer.

Thats true which is why its part of the problem. In what game have you ever played where a Fighters damage can out match a mage? It is virtually unheard of aside from in Fiesta. The pecking order should be this:

Mage with wand: 1
Fighter with Ax: 2
Archer with Xbow: 3
Mage with staff: 4
Fighter with 2h: 5
Fighter with 1h:6
Archer with bow: 7
Cleric with hammer: 8
Cleric with mace: 9

Fighters are supposed to be balanced and no im not talking about around other classes. Fighters/human class should have no one skill that should shine they are made to be all around good which is why they are supposed to be chosen more not for there insane damage. Mages now they are supposed to have the highest crazy damage you can think off but they trade of there defense for said damage and will need support of others to be effective. Archers are supposed to have moderate strength and high speed be it running or dodging elf archers should NOT be easy to hit. Clerics will always have low damage thats how it is in most games but they are supposed to have the most defense in the game as a trade off... guess who has that in fiesta too....:p

[wannabeguyo]

Fighters are hack, we all know it. Get used to it, devs have no clue how to fix it. Fighters have many strengths and only one weakness. Class balance sucks.....

[keratzoman]

IMO,a fighter without stun would never beat a mage in 1vs 1 ,(all with everything +9 but NO sparkcash...).
As for archers,oh well the only thing they can do to beat fighters is kite.And as someone said,there are some corners that mean stun.

@MartianMage.Yeah,but withotu stun,if an archer/mage kites,the fighters can pull max 3 skills on them in corners.See what I mean about stun >_>.Stun is what makes kiters stop and make them feel what's like getting 7+attacks that 80%do huge dmg/debuff seriously.
Mages are the only ones that can somewhat face fighters,cause demorialize hurts clerics and DD's archers bad.

[ToshCrimson]

and so we hit the answer: Fighters are so powerful that no other class can stand up against them. No matter what we do not matter how much spark cash we buy things wont change. Fighters will kill all classes and we should all just suck it up, sit back, and watch our selves be slaughtered left and right. Awesome fiesta. That is just awesome.

[emonicarcher]

dont you see thats what outspark wants they want all classes to fall against fighters for 1 reason

greedy money~like for the movers total ripoff compared to the lovable 30day 1's

400sc for 5 hours of ride time not only that but 5k+to just buy the mover




they act like they try helping us if you havnt seen the "feed back" section but do you no how long ago the post were posted yes almost a year ago and from what ive seen haha alot were about archers speed increase and eva increase buffs


a year later and i dont see it? do u ~.-

if u ask me 1 of the most balanced games ive played without a dought was runescape why do u think each of there 132 servers has over 2k people in them


and this is how it goes the balace system is called the combat triangle


ok here is how the combat triangle works on runescape





melee~aka fighters kill archer without hope
archer~aka ranger kill mages without a dought
mage~aka warlock kill fighter without a dought


now for archers they can use a shield with a crossbow but i wanted to point this out

runescape who makes as much money as outspark has total class balance/now y dosnt outspark?

[runkler]

why is everyone complaining about fighters and their stuns?
Neo is Russell From ur guild and i agree w/ other peoples fighters are really overpowered....clerics cant even hold up to them and clerics are "overpowered" well not any more(they never where)...clerics are ment to heal meaning they dont die much we cant kill u and then in return u shouldnt be able o kill us (easly) not this BS stun for 8 secs... yea we have a protective spell but mine only lasts for lik 16 secs but fighters can bust through that like glass.....

fights vs mages... this here is a little unfair... its supose to be mages are squsiey to physical damage and for figthers its the other way around weak to magic damage...but thats not how fiesta is working now...its fighters just auto kill mages its UNFAIR! but then the argument about mages have fear and they can chain cast it well even if it is chain casted it is only 16 sces total but then aa whole 1 min and 30 secs but fighters...they get a 8 sec stun every 14 secs....mages can only fight for 6 secs?(thats for ever class when it comes to fighters). and then fighters get a buff giving them extra damage but decreasing def but when mages fight them there def dont matter...its there magic def so there yet again fighters have the upper hand...y cant mages have a buff giving them more def but less magic att? it is completly unfair all the other classes have atl east 1 buff...
and then...the...archers..there ment to poision fighter or kite them but they cant do that becasue of the stupid stun... other than that i dont know what else to complain about on the arhcers side lol
in all fightes can kill any class there level...unfair im a level 84 celric level 80 fighters can kill me 1 on 1... becasue of there buff and there def and there att i cant do anything back but take it they have mega life mega def and mega life...clerics have about some.. def and our oly really good advantage on them is our heal which is un able to be used while stuned for 8 secs and im like dead in 7 hits any ways and my mage can take about 3 hits same level and hes level 64 so i dont know what to tel u guys its just that this game gives fighters the advantage and if they keep doing it people are goa get sick of it and people will leave and then less money for festa no business then and then there will be no fiesta...
and i knw some people are gona dis agree w/ me or just read part of my post and judge me and part of my post so w/e if u dont have any thing good to say to me guys dont say it.....

[kwadjo12]

Neo is Russell From ur guild and i agree w/ other peoples fighters are really overpowered....clerics cant even hold up to them and clerics are "overpowered" well not any more(they never where)...clerics are ment to heal meaning they dont die much we cant kill u and then in return u shouldnt be able o kill us (easly) not this BS stun for 8 secs... yea we have a protective spell but mine only lasts for lik 16 secs but fighters can bust through that like glass.....

fights vs mages... this here is a little unfair... its supose to be mages are squsiey to physical damage and for figthers its the other way around weak to magic damage...but thats not how fiesta is working now...its fighters just auto kill mages its UNFAIR! but then the argument about mages have fear and they can chain cast it well even if it is chain casted it is only 16 sces total but then aa whole 1 min and 30 secs but fighters...they get a 8 sec stun every 14 secs....mages can only fight for 6 secs?(thats for ever class when it comes to fighters). and then fighters get a buff giving them extra damage but decreasing def but when mages fight them there def dont matter...its there magic def so there yet again fighters have the upper hand...y cant mages have a buff giving them more def but less magic att? it is completly unfair all the other classes have atl east 1 buff...
and then...the...archers..there ment to poision fighter or kite them but they cant do that becasue of the stupid stun... other than that i dont know what else to complain about on the arhcers side lol
in all fightes can kill any class there level...unfair im a level 84 celric level 80 fighters can kill me 1 on 1... becasue of there buff and there def and there att i cant do anything back but take it they have mega life mega def and mega life...clerics have about some.. def and our oly really good advantage on them is our heal which is un able to be used while stuned for 8 secs and im like dead in 7 hits any ways and my mage can take about 3 hits same level and hes level 64 so i dont know what to tel u guys its just that this game gives fighters the advantage and if they keep doing it people are goa get sick of it and people will leave and then less money for festa no business then and then there will be no fiesta...
and i knw some people are gona dis agree w/ me or just read part of my post and judge me and part of my post so w/e if u dont have any thing good to say to me guys dont say it.....

I agree with everything in this post. Fighters have way too many advantages and too little disadvantages, but people say that fighters are weak against magic. Well FYI, have you tried killing a +9 axe fighter with 6k hp?! Not so easy is it.:mad:

[granturismo4]

err some folks take this fighter thing a lil to serious...x.x...come up with ways to kill 1 lol..I already have and not to mention in other games such as SoS,fighters are the worst class when it comes to pvp,cant kill thing like any of the other classes can.

[spheris]

err some folks take this fighter thing a lil to serious...x.x...come up with ways to kill 1 lol..I already have and not to mention in other games such as SoS,fighters are the worst class when it comes to pvp,cant kill thing like any of the other classes can.

XD try telling that to the capt +9 users

[runkler]

I agree with everything in this post. Fighters have way too many advantages and too little disadvantages, but people say that fighters are weak against magic. Well FYI, have you tried killing a +9 axe fighter with 6k hp?! Not so easy is it.:mad:
thanks buddy nice to know some people agree with me :)

[TITLE]

I agree with everything in this post. Fighters have way too many advantages and too little disadvantages, but people say that fighters are weak against magic. Well FYI, have you tried killing a +9 axe fighter with 6k hp?! Not so easy is it.:mad:

Yes they are weak against mdmg. Yes +9 axe fighter with 6k HP can be a pain, but it's weaksauce compared to another +9 axe fighter with 3k HP, full STR. Any fighter with the pure STR build can beat anyone with 6k+ HP in one simple 11 combo chain along with Vit as an access power boost.

Fighter overpowered? Please, GMs and their 12k HP is overpowering. This thread is still going?!

[keratzoman]

You havent realised how much dmg a 8x fighter with BK axe +9 and tons of str in equips has right?You also dont realise that people with pure end and some extender easily overexceed 7k hp,and if they put scrolls...impossible to kill.Even m.dmg cant do anything;there are pots to save them

[ghoffman9]

They give fighters the ability to stun for a reason. How do you think they will be able to catch long range attackers without it? As soon as a player gets in range they go for a swing but by that time the target has gotten out of range again. The stun is used so a fighter can actually get a few swings in before the long range attacker starts running again. I don't know why people think it is so bad, it only holds you still for five seconds. Definitely not enough time to kill player no matter what class. Not to mention long range attackers don't have as much trouble keeping their health up. All they have to do is stay away to attack and heal. Fighters have to heal on the fly and damage the opponent whenever they are close which may be a spit second up to five seconds if a stun attack was successful.

[YoshimaruOrona]

Fighters need stun to keep mages and archers from running away.

If they didn't have stun, fighters would need an alternative, like, hmmm, ability to cast skills while running?

...I hope people see the irony with the above sentence -.-

They need a stun, but~

1) they need longer cd -- seriously

2) duration is fine; if you can't handle 8 seconds, its because of the insane dmg stats they have, not because of the time that you're stuck in place

3) they are overpowered ... (BK +9 axe) + (scrolls) + (str build) + (vitality buff) = insta-death for a HIGH number of players >.> There are a number of fighters who can reach a damage level of well over 3.5k ... the fact that mages are required to have +9 clothes to participate in pvp means something's wrong -.-


err some folks take this fighter thing a lil to serious...x.x...come up with ways to kill 1 lol..I already have and not to mention in other games such as SoS,fighters are the worst class when it comes to pvp,cant kill thing like any of the other classes can.

.......are you serious?

If you know how to kill an 8x fighter DD with 6k hp, please help me out >.>

And for the record, you should seriously watch clerics in pvp. If an individal cleric isn't built specifically for pvp, then guess what? They suck at it -.- I don't know fighters pvp situation in SotS, but I know for a fact that clerics here are screwed, and that fighters are stupidly powerful.

Like I said, 8x mages (and possibly archers) are required to have enhanced CLOTHES to be able to participate in pvp with a fighter on/near their level and have a chance of winning.

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

Fighters need stun to keep mages and archers from running away.

If they didn't have stun, fighters would need an alternative, like, hmmm, ability to cast skills while running?

...I hope people see the irony with the above sentence -.-

They need a stun, but~

1) they need longer cd -- seriously

2) duration is fine; if you can't handle 8 seconds, its because of the insane dmg stats they have, not because of the time that you're stuck in place

3) they are overpowered ... (BK +9 axe) + (scrolls) + (str build) + (vitality buff) = insta-death for a HIGH number of players >.> There are a number of fighters who can reach a damage level of well over 3.5k ... the fact that mages are required to have +9 clothes to participate in pvp means something's wrong -.-


.......are you serious?

If you know how to kill an 8x fighter DD with 6k hp, please help me out >.>

And for the record, you should seriously watch clerics in pvp. If an individal cleric isn't built specifically for pvp, then guess what? They suck at it -.- I don't know fighters pvp situation in SotS, but I know for a fact that clerics here are screwed, and that fighters are stupidly powerful.

Like I said, 8x mages (and possibly archers) are required to have enhanced CLOTHES to be able to participate in pvp with a fighter on/near their level and have a chance of winning.

That part is so true, If a fighter wants to kill my mage in PvP he can easy, in a 1 v 1 duel against fighters my 56 mage can beat them most of the time, and every so often my level.

Say a fighter just wants to attack me out of nowhere though, if his stun lands thats it im done. I also have full +9s and they kill me instantly, thats just wrong. I mean even in a fair duel I can only sometimes kill fighters my level.

On my archer I do ok against fighters my level, it would be nice if I had some more distance. PS and NM arnt nearly powerfull enough to kill a fighter...people say that will do it but who are they kidding? My Aimed shot does over 2000 easy, NM does like 200 how are you supposed to kill someone with that? So after all the posions have landed (each does 300-500 damage) I have to use Aimed Shot and Power shot...and if that dosnt take the fighter down I just have to pray that his stun fails and I get some lucky crits the next try >.<

In the end I think mages need WAY higher DEF, if +9 gears cant save a mage then what the heck? They need a major defense boost, cause I kill them to easy on my archer also, archers need more defense also. If they dont want to bring up the other classes they should REALLY REALLY bring down the fighters damage. Cause like someone else said its not so much the 8 second stun its the 10+ instant cast skills. The stun CD needs to be increased though its just way to hard to kill a fighter in 6 sec x.x

[neolancer]

Ace you forget, messing with deva and its cool time is bad, most fighters are tanks so a longer cd on deva really messses us up and a kq rarely passes without a tank

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

RAWR

fighters are strong :P

mages are shmexy

archers are cool

and clerics are...helpful? XD

god im bored XD

anyways back on topic, ihate deva.....period!

[mehe25]

NUUU clerics are gundam force!! But high level girl clerics look really good.

[fireyair]

NUUU clerics are gundam force!! But high level girl clerics look really good.

What have you been smoking? The level 60-70 clerics look horrid, and the level 80 ones are just bearable.




Peace:cool:

[YoshimaruOrona]

Ace you forget, messing with deva and its cool time is bad, most fighters are tanks so a longer cd on deva really messses us up and a kq rarely passes without a tank

If you need stun to be able to tank, you fail.

Period.

[wenda1987]

ummm do you guys really know how to pvp ??? My character is a lvl 86 fighter (bk user with full +9 gear) and I still have a hard time with mages using bk and gears +9 .
The game is balanced the way it is. I've played on a mage before and I can tell you that I've never had that much fun pvping.Mages can kill people in masses if you know how to use them.
And now I've noticed an awesome archer who is as hard as a fighter during pvp kq (and ofc I do see archers/mages and cleric get the 1st place in pvp kq without cookies or other buffs).Its all about strategies.You should know your weakness and your opponents weakness before you start a fight.
Chose carefully your class before starting a character.
If its for 1v1 pvp purpose then you should chose either the fighter or the mage class...
The only class that I think needs some love is archers, but I cant say allot about archers because I haven't played one yet.

[MartianMage]

Oh great just what we need. Another fighter lecturing us about strategy. <_<

"Mages can kill people in masses if you know how to use them."

Using nova on lvl30 noobs? :D

[YoshimaruOrona]

ummm do you guys really know how to pvp ??? My character is a lvl 86 fighter (bk user with full +9 gear) and I still have a hard time with mages using bk and gears +9 .
The game is balanced the way it is. I've played on a mage before and I can tell you that I've never had that much fun pvping.Mages can kill people in masses if you know how to use them.
And now I've noticed an awesome archer who is as hard as a fighter during pvp kq (and ofc I do see archers/mages and cleric get the 1st place in pvp kq without cookies or other buffs).Its all about strategies.You should know your weakness and your opponents weakness before you start a fight.
Chose carefully your class before starting a character.
If its for 1v1 pvp purpose then you should chose either the fighter or the mage class...
The only class that I think needs some love is archers, but I cant say allot about archers because I haven't played one yet.

I have two very simple questions to ask of you.

How much sparkcash did you invest in that mage you used? How much sparkcash was invested in the mages whom you 'struggle' against in pvp?

I ask because your siggy reeks of it (6k dmg lol wut), so I have no doubt that you probably did the same with your mage, whether it was nubby or not. I also ask because I've noticed that the farther you get in the game, the more players depend on sparkcash to guide them through. So I have this 'gut feeling', so to speak, that you with your 6,000 damage ability isn't having trouble with a mage. It's moreso that you're having trouble with a sparkcash-abused mage.

There is a very huge difference between the two.

[wenda1987]

Use fear chain cast, stay at a good distance to avoid being hit...Slow down the opponent's running speed... Stifle then nova/inferno when he gets close to you.
Mages and archers have the the ability to strike from a long distance.So its natural that they can't deal with fighters. Don't expect to win as a mage/archer against a fighter while you are just hitting without kiting.
I'm saying this because I played a 89 mage for a month and know what are the weaknesses of both classes.
What did you expect ? mages to 2 hit a fighter ?
Fighters are not overpowered.Chose your opponent before starting a fight, and of course ,sc users have more power ingame because they have full +9s and do more critical hits...
Its the way it is, you cant blame anyone for using sc.

The mage I had was a 89 mage using full +9 gears and bk +9. Mages can win a 3 vs 1 without a problem.(lvl 8x fighters)
The only thing I noticed on mages is the hp stone cooldown. Its x1.5 slower then for fighter.

[MartianMage]

Use fear chain cast, stay at a good distance to avoid being hit...Slow down the opponent's running speed... Stifle then nova/inferno when he gets close to you.
Mages and archers have the the ability to strike from a long distance.So its natural that they can't deal with fighters. Don't expect to win as a mage/archer against a fighter while you are just hitting without kiting.
What did you expect ? mages to 2 hit a fighter ?
Fighters are not overpowered.Chose your opponent before starting a fight, and of course ,sc users have more power ingame because they have full +9s and do more critical hits...
Its the way it is, you cant blame anyone for using sc.

The mage I had was a 89 mage using full +9 gears and bk +9. Mages can win a 3 vs 1 without a problem.(lvl 8x fighters)
The only thing I noticed on mages is the hp stone cooldown. Its x1.5 slower then for fighter.

I wonder where you got the idea that we want to 2 shot fighters. If you ever bothered to read the main complaint here that every fighter out there seems to be avoiding is that your class, the tanker class, is outdamaging the 2 damage classes. It's very simple. Either they buff mage/archer damage so we exceed fighter damage or they nerf fighter damage so that mage/archer does more damage. Again, what's the point of playing a nuker class when the tanker class is outdamaging you?

[YoshimaruOrona]

Use fear chain cast, stay at a good distance to avoid being hit...Slow down the opponent's running speed... Stifle then nova/inferno when he gets close to you.
Mages and archers have the the ability to strike from a long distance.So its natural that they can't deal with fighters. Don't expect to win as a mage/archer against a fighter while you are just hitting without kiting.
I'm saying this because I played a 89 mage for a month and know what are the weaknesses of both classes.
What did you expect ? mages to 2 hit a fighter ?
Fighters are not overpowered.Chose your opponent before starting a fight, and of course ,sc users have more power ingame because they have full +9s and do more critical hits...
Its the way it is, you cant blame anyone for using sc.

The mage I had was a 89 mage using full +9 gears and bk +9. Mages can win a 3 vs 1 without a problem.(lvl 8x fighters)
The only thing I noticed on mages is the hp stone cooldown. Its x1.5 slower then for fighter.

Pardon my french, but that's complete and utter B.S.

Sparkcash in this game is the equivalent of pumping yourself with steroids and going into a boxing match. It completely throws off the playing grounds and turns pvp into a joke.

I understand that cash shop items are meant to give you an insane power boost, to help you feel like you got your money's worth, but don't hide behind that fact by saying 'sparkcash or not, pvp is still the same'. Sparkcash is the reason why mages get more than 1k defense, when we all know that mages shouldn't be able to do that. You (as a fighter) struggling against a mage is because when they +9 all their clothes, they get a 200+ defense boost (I'm guesstimating; I don't know the exact def bonus). Duh, of course you're gonna have trouble against 200 extra defense. Throw a 50% hp extender in there and you're really gonna have a pain killing that mage. That much should've been obvious.

Go find a sparkcash-less mage somewhere, and challenge him/her to 1v1. I bet everything I own that you won't have any problem whatsoever killing him/her, once you get past the stifle/fear.

Also, bring your mind out of the near-capped realm and look at the game as a whole. Do you honestly believe that clever fighters versus wiz mages are balanced?

[runkler]

you rock i wish there were more people like u in this game^^ everyone thinks that fighters are too overpowered...onlythe fighters think other wise...last night iw as on my level 84 cleric in abyas and this guy named Lord_Zarous or what ever the heck hes name was a level 82! fighter stunded me adn i stoned and that didnt helpso then i poted then i was unstuned for about 6 secs>.> athen i was stuned again theni died he was hitting like 700 on me and i only had 3.4k life on me o.o IM A CLERIC!

The finial line is that fighters are overpowered half of the population thnks so and the other half doesn’t because there fighters>.> and please tell me if everyone switched to being a fighter would fiesta be any fun at all? >.<

YoshimaruOrona<----speaks the truth ^^

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

Lol I mean seriously...whos ever gone into FBZ 1? I went there the other night...I was THE ONLY ARCHER there, I saw only ONE mage and TWO CLERICS! Out of like 20 people. All the rest were fighters...hmm hint there? You think if Archers/Mages/Clerics were balenced with fighters you would see more of them there also right? Thing is fighters can kill any class their own level no problem.

[themichael]

Thats the problem now.
Most people just hate the deva.
But, to be honest, deva is a necessity to fighters when fighting any class...
Archers/Mages can just kite a fighter all day and not have 2 fear being caught when they can simply run off with minimum damage done (assuming the fighters isnt on steroids)
With clerics...well...they would never die. point/blank/period

Though, in my opinion, I say keep deva the same (since outspark wont change it)
Just lower the fighters Damage...Alot...
Even if a fighter did manage 2 stun a mage/archer they should still be able 2 withstand a mere 8 seconds of pounding in order to get away again. let alone kill a cleric with much higher defense than either and archer or mage.

Though I dont disagree with shortening the duration/cool of deva. thats always nice, but at the same time it will never happen.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

I agree Deva should NEVER be removed, they need it to kill stuff >.> We archers get along pretty well though without a Stun/Fear type skill...sorta its just the clerics we cant kill.

I think fighters need actually...their DEF droped a bit...sounds ridiculous but I honestly think they need it down for the following. My 43 fighter can tank a whole room in the 40 abyss without a cleric I only use one stone per mob and they range from like 10-20 thats insane x.x Also my 80 archer only takes off like 300 Damage with fully empowered Aimed Shot on fighters...so if a fighter has over 3k health (most hav 3k at 80 anyways) how exactly am I supposed to kill him/her if their stones like heal 3/4 of their HP? >.<

Also their damage needs to be taken down alot. A fighter my level kills me in 2-3 hits thats not right...mages go down in less. A fighter 10 levels below me can kill me easy ussually to =/

So bottom line

-Longer Deva CD (just like 5 sec)
-Lower Damage (ALOT)
-Lower DEF (not to much)

if they arnt going to lower the CD of deva then they should add some cast times to some of the skills. Why should an archers power shot have a cast time of 1 sec, if a fighters power hit is instant? Fast and nimble archers? I THINK NOT.

[themichael]

U saying fast and nimble made me think...Y does every1 run the same speed anyways?
SHouldn't we be faster than every other class? I mean, The elven class is always the speedy nimble few.

But anyways back on topic:
Now that You mention it With My max powered power shot I hit a non+9 geared AXE fighter about 400 when they usually have about 2.5-2.7k hp at 6x (btw im 6x)
The only time i can actually kill a fighter my lvl is with some lucky misses if i happen to get stunned, or have deva miss period, kite ALOT without the fighter turning around, running the other way and saying "Stand and fight Noob!" while i snicker and think "whos gonna stand there and get there face beat in? :D
O and sometimes that lucky lag u give them by casting Protection. that always helps^^

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[wenda1987]

-Lower Damage (ALOT)
-Lower DEF (not to much)

this means fighters wont be able to tank and wont be able to be DDs...
I would love to see cleric,archers and mages tank during KQs
Most of the people complaining and whining aren't using full +9 gears. In order to be able to resist against a fighter using a +9 axe you better have +9 armors otherwise you are just paper.
I fought with a cookied mage today (we where both cookied and about the same level)
I can tell you the we both had a hard time killing each others... its like one fight I win, then the next fight she wins...
Get your selves good gears with good end and you wont be paper anymore.

[kwadjo12]

end only helps a little bit. All of my armour has end, even my staff has end in it. But in the end, its just not enough.
P.S. I have about 5-10 end on each piece of armour

[YoshimaruOrona]

this means fighters wont be able to tank and wont be able to be DDs...
I would love to see cleric,archers and mages tank during KQs
Most of the people complaining and whining aren't using full +9 gears. In order to be able to resist against a fighter using a +9 axe you better have +9 armors otherwise you are just paper.
I fought with a cookied mage today (we where both cookied and about the same level)
I can tell you the we both had a hard time killing each others... its like one fight I win, then the next fight she wins...
Get your selves good gears with good end and you wont be paper anymore.

I'm not saying anything about what to do about fighters, because all of that is debatable, and I don't feel like arguing over fighter's structure right now.

However, the comment "most of the people complaining and whining aren't using full +9 gears" got me. I find it baffling that the only way to survive against a player who +9'd one gear (axe) is to find 4 clothing pieces, each with high defensive stat allocations, and you have to +9 all of them. Or, to find and purchase 4 clothes with high defensive stats that have already been +9'd. Either way, you're spending a hell of a lot of in-game money or out-of-game money to be able to survive against a fighter who probably only needed to +9 an axe.

That doesn't appear as a problem? Having to +9 4 defensive gears to counter against 1 +9 offensive gear? I don't enhance with sparkcash yet, but I'd strongly hope that OutSpark notices the quantitative issue there and made enhancing clothes easier than enhancing weapons. If such is the case, then please ignore this entire rant. If not, then we have another problem to look over: enhancement.

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

this means fighters wont be able to tank and wont be able to be DDs...
I would love to see cleric,archers and mages tank during KQs
Most of the people complaining and whining aren't using full +9 gears. In order to be able to resist against a fighter using a +9 axe you better have +9 armors otherwise you are just paper.
I fought with a cookied mage today (we where both cookied and about the same level)
I can tell you the we both had a hard time killing each others... its like one fight I win, then the next fight she wins...
Get your selves good gears with good end and you wont be paper anymore.

If you read my post I said that my 43 Fighter can tank a whole room in the 40 abyss NO PROBLEM I use only 1 stone per mob, So level 48-56 tanks dont even get hurt there, they can solo entire rooms.

As for the STR thing it does need to be lowered, fighters out damaging Mages is not a good thing, Fighters 2 hitting Mages, Archers, and DESTROYING CLERICS is ALSO NOT GOOD!

I think my argument is in line, if you read that I said lower DEF by a little is because my strongest attacks on my archer dont even dent a fighters HP, and by the time I have all my DoTs on the fighter Im about to hit a corner, so by then my power/aimed shot should have a better chance of killing the fighter then just getting his HP down with my DoTs only for him/her to stone be at full HP then the power shot and aimed shot do nothing >.>

The STR needs to be lowered because like I said 2 hitting mages isnt right they should have somewhat of a chance, a fighter can over kill a mage like 20 times over with a skill spam. So either their damage goes down or they increase Archers Eva or Mages DEF.

EDIT:

Like Yosu said, a mage shouldnt have to have full +9s to stand a chance against a fighter, even with full +9s my mage dies ALL the time against +9 axes. Dont get me wrong I am an awesome mage, im 56, I do the whole Ice Ball, MM9, Fire Bolt, Lightning Bolt, MM9, Fire Ball, Mana Burn, Magic Blast. Thats a good killing combo, and if Im at max range I can SOMETIMES kill a fighter my level, but his/her HP stones heal way to much so its really tough to kill a fighter even with low M.DEF because its like he/she has two HP bars Dx

[neolancer]

archers eva is already high enough, only way we can succesfuly get enough hits is if its a bk wep or our gear/weapon has dex on it and with mages they hit us hard anyway do to our low mdef so if they know how to use their skills they can kill fighters

[mehe25]

DD's somtimes ******** me off, also clerics with a DD build who use it as an excuse not to heal.

Fighter's degree at DD's aren't as good DD's as archers and mages though.

[themichael]

DD's somtimes ******** me off, also clerics with a DD build who use it as an excuse not to heal.

Fighter's degree at DD's aren't as good DD's as archers and mages though.

And yet this whole argument is explaining how Fighters Do MORE DAMAGE than MAGEs and ARCHERS.

its really sad how the developers did this.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[keratzoman]

I am a fighter currently,and yeah I do know that we are completely unfair at 43-60+.The developers seriously made us do more dmg for no reason (Only on +9 axe).But guys,most skill fighters have are extremely useful at PvE.I say that Outspark should make a patch making the cd of deva a little longer at pvp or decrease the skills dmg by like15% (on pvp only)

[themichael]

15% only?
More like 30%...at least.
They totally screwed mages an archers over as soon as this fiesta was made.
DD's had way more damage in other versions.
also a fighter , the tanking class, shouldn't be that much stronger than the support class.<--period. =\
Deva should also have a 50% stun rate...its only fair.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[mehe25]

What have you been smoking? The level 60-70 clerics look horrid, and the level 80 ones are just bearable.




Peace:cool:

I mean the 80 ones...they look pretty good.

The girls atleast.

[kwadjo12]

this is dumb. in the korean version of fiesta, mages are much stronger then the ones here. The irony is that On Ons Soft is the developer of the that game as well.

[mehe25]

archers eva is already high enough, only way we can succesfuly get enough hits is if its a bk wep or our gear/weapon has dex on it and with mages they hit us hard anyway do to our low mdef so if they know how to use their skills they can kill fighters

Archers can have high aggro but geuss what? DEVASTATE AND MOCK ZOMG.

Also, you do more damage than mages!!!

M def and a horrible excuse, the amount of hp you have and the amount of hp healed with one stone alone is already a powerful trade off.

You'd be healed fully before the mage can even kill you.

[puddingownsyou]

Just for the record..any class could own my fighter ROFL <3

...so we're not all perfect >:O

[w0nderhealer]

nova and inferno do a lot more dmg then deva. Deva does just one hit with 15 sec cooldown (correct me if I'm wrong). Chain inferno + nova has more dmg over time (since its periodic dmg)
Plus nova has a debuff that decreases running speed...Why do you think that the developers added that debuff ??? Its for giving mages enough time to stay at a safe distance to hit the opponent from far
What about fear and stifle ?....
Lets assume that a fighter would miss his deva against a mage, I guess that there is 80% chance that he dies against a mage for example.(stoning only wont save him from death)
And yes we do miss deva a lot.Mages /archer are good against multiple enemies but fighters are not if they are DDs.
You all want the advantages that fighters have (good def and good dmg if DD)
What about our evasion ? our mdef ? aren't they low for a reason ???
Archers wont miss if they hit us, but us fighters miss. Mages wont miss us if they want to fear or stifle, but our deva misses and there is 40% chances that it misses.
You should see fighter vs fighter fights and you'll see how much we miss deva (sometimes 3 to 4 times in row).
And for some reason when I want to deva a cleric it misses a lot more then on any other classes, go find why....(50% miss)

[pacman33]

Wow you're gullible

Drag the W over to the e. If u r one of the people who do it, for every person that does it is another person somewhere in pvp who got owned by a fighter... That's how often it happens and something should be doen about it...

[mia099]

Many people in this thread make valid points on all the classes, but why complain about fighters. The reason they have more defense and power then other classes is mainly cause.... their fighters. I doubt any one expected fighters, the DD's and tanks of this game to have low defense and low attack power. Many of you try to imagine a KQ or Guild war with just clerics, mages, and archers. When you think about that KQ's would take longer then normal and guild wars would never had a winner cause most clerics high lvl at least are hard to kill. How many people in this game have saw a fight 1v1 between a cleric and a mage. Where the cleric has his/her buffs and mage just has his armor and weapon. The only class that's been the most successful in killing a cleric is a fighter. If clerics don't die they just heal the mages and archers and no one ever dies or loses in guild wars. If there are many high lvl clerics and mages complaining about fighters, just go out and make your own and lvl him. You look down on fighters, but if you haven't wait till u try playing as one. How many people get annoyed at a cleric that's spam healing in a guild war or PvP? Like I said I want to see a mage and fighter try to kill a cleric with out stun or fear or stifle. I would say its impossible, wouldn't you? You people complain about tiny things in the game but honestly there's not much you can do about it. The GM's and CSR had a reason for making the game the way it is. If you say you don't like fighters that's fine, but if you haven't, go try and play one. I would say the same for the other classes as well. I honestly think many people make big deals out of tiny subjects such as this one, but it's interesting to see how people to respond to these topics.

[resigood]

try to kill a cleric with out stun or fear or stifle. I would say its impossible, wouldn't you?.
AGREED!
fighters are only overpowered when they use cs items
but thats the same with ANY class...

mages are really strong, use charms, they even stronger
fighters high hp, defense, decent damage, use charms, even higher!

my fighters doesnt use cs items (only exenders - not often)
i had 1.2k def with shield +9
and 4k life
400 mdef i think, might not be right, just guessing

he's lvl 83

he dies easy, he cant kill too fast
mages do about 1.2k dmg to him

i dont complain!
i see it as a weakness that comes with the class

you all complain about fighters, but you only die and moan when its a casher who kills you, and you cant kill them back...
if fighters get lower stats, you'll complain about clerics next

which i think clerics defense is too high (high def, heal ability? ***), but thats not the point

fact is fighters are not as overpowered as you think they are
only when they use cs items

nobody complained about them before the cash shop came out

[kwadjo12]

nobody complained about them before the cash shop came out

the cash shop came out right after close beta. Hardly anyone played fiesta then. And people were complaining about mages at that time because everybody thought they dealt to much damage. Well the mage class is a DD class, so wouldn't it make sense if they dealt the most damage?????

[enn19842]

Fighters are overpowerd. all the fighters just admin it. even i consider myself overpowerd. i pwn mages, archers, and cleric my lvl. They stun and the rest is history. And to resigood u need to get some spr gears then mages will just run away from u. u only have 400 mdef u guessing. well my cousin's fighter has 600 mdef(guessing here but its around that)and he is only lvl 63. i saw him pwn my friend's lvl 70 mage.

[w0nderhealer]

this is just a thread of hatred against fighters ^^ A big waste of time coz this is turning in circles.

[themichael]

<.<
A fighter made this thread w0nderhealer.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[saint_attila]

<.<
A fighter made this thread w0nderhealer.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

LAWL.

Many people in this thread make valid points on all the classes, but why complain about fighters. The reason they have more defense and power then other classes is mainly cause.... their fighters. I doubt any one expected fighters, the DD's and tanks of this game to have low defense and low attack power.

I don't like snipping, but this is where I want to say something.

In basically every MMORPG, save fiesta, the main tanking class has a decent damage dealing ability.

For example, let us say that our tanking class is called the Barbarian and we base the stats off of the five main stats in fiesta. The Barbarian has very high endurance, but moderate or low in every other stat. While they may use two handed weapons that deal good single hit damage, they strike slowly and for erratic damage. The first strike could deal two hundred damage, but the next two deal only around one-hundred and twenty. Their HP and P.def are very high, but their STR, SPR and DEX is average or below average. They have many skills that inflict debuffs or garner a large amount of aggro. They also have skills to beef up their HP and DEF ratings, so they can take more damage and last longer.

THAT is a tank class. But in that light, it shows that Clerics are more suited for the tank class. They hit for low, erratic damage, have good defense and HP and have skills that make them tougher and harder to kill.

If we look at the four classes in a traditional RPG light, the only thing that fighters have going for them as "Tanks" is Snearing kick, mock and their high HP and DEF. Clerics have everything else.

That's just me being weird right there. :P I don't know if this applies to this argument or not. I just felt like saying that when I saw "Tanks aren't supposed to have low damage."

[themichael]

I don't like snipping, but this is where I want to say something.

In basically every MMORPG, save fiesta, the main tanking class has a decent damage dealing ability.

For example, let us say that our tanking class is called the Barbarian and we base the stats off of the five main stats in fiesta. The Barbarian has very high endurance, but moderate or low in every other stat. While they may use two handed weapons that deal good single hit damage, they strike slowly and for erratic damage. The first strike could deal two hundred damage, but the next two deal only around one-hundred and twenty. [B]Their HP and P.def are very high, but their STR, SPR and DEX is average or below average. [B] They have many skills that inflict debuffs or garner a large amount of aggro. They also have skills to beef up their HP and DEF ratings, so they can take more damage and last longer.

THAT is a tank class. But in that light, it shows that Clerics are more suited for the tank class. They hit for low, erratic damage, have good defense and HP and have skills that make them tougher and harder to kill.

If we look at the four classes in a traditional RPG light, the only thing that fighters have going for them as "Tanks" is Snearing kick, mock and their high HP and DEF. Clerics have everything else.

That's just me being weird right there. :P I don't know if this applies to this argument or not. I just felt like saying that when I saw "Tanks aren't supposed to have low damage."

FINALLY.
some1 gets it.
Fiesta Fighters rank 1st or 2nd in every stat except Spr where they are ranked last.

This means that they are VERY overpowering in relation to the other classes.

.....think about it.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[TITLE]

FINALLY.
some1 gets it.
Fiesta Fighters rank 1st or 2nd in every stat except Spr where they are ranked last.

This means that they are VERY overpowering in relation to the other classes.

.....think about it.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

They rank 3rd in EVA.

The only overpowering Fighters I see are the ones with extenders/crit suits/future hold to BK weapons.

[themichael]

They rank 3rd in EVA.

The only overpowering Fighters I see are the ones with extenders/crit suits/future hold to BK weapons.

I always thought they had the 2nd highest natural Dex.
Hmm...who beats them.
(other than archers obviously :) )

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[TITLE]

I always thought they had the 2nd highest natural Dex.
Hmm...who beats them.
(other than archers obviously :) )

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

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Mage.

[DanielRizzo]

Fighters are jokes. lol

[spheris]

The only jokes are the 8X mages/archers that eat the pavement because a fighter 10 levels lower then themselves killed em ;P

[Eternal_Doom]

FINALLY.
some1 gets it.
Fiesta Fighters rank 1st or 2nd in every stat except Spr where they are ranked last.

This means that they are VERY overpowering in relation to the other classes.

.....think about it.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Im expecting to see a fighter come along and say:

"W3 D0N7 H4V3 L07S 0F 1NT W3 N33D DA M0ST"

Thats what I'm expecting anyway -_-"

The only jokes are the 8X mages/archers that eat the pavement because a fighter 10 levels lower then themselves killed em ;P

This quote is proof that they are overpowered ^^

[themichael]

The only jokes are the 8X mages/archers that eat the pavement because a fighter 10 levels lower then themselves killed em ;P

The only Jokes are the developers that made the game so imbalanced in pvp that thats even possible...

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[spheris]

This quote is proof that they are overpowered ^^

is not, hybrid builds are just spiffy like that,

The only Jokes are the developers that made the game so imbalanced in pvp that thats even possible...

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Did you ever think that perhaps the mages and archers should work on their weak points(e.g. DEF) if they dont want to die in pvp?

I mean really, at 72 I went up against a lv75 archer, who actually stood there for my attacks-I killed them eventually, but they made me work for it.

I'm not saying all mages and archers are weak like the pavement eaters-justthe ones with lame builds -.-"

[themichael]

is not, hybrid builds are just spiffy like that,



Did you ever think that perhaps the mages and archers should work on their weak points(e.g. DEF) if they dont want to die in pvp?

I mean really, at 72 I went up against a lv75 archer, who actually stood there for my attacks-I killed them eventually, but they made me work for it.

I'm not saying all mages and archers are weak like the pavement eaters-justthe ones with lame builds -.-"

Yea. Charms are awesome, right?
Even as un-charmed full END archer wouldn't be able to take a +9 fighter around his lvl for more than 12 secs. And even if they did...FULL END u will never kill that fighter.
And Im sure its even worse for mages once their fear has been used.

Bottom Line: Charms put a DD at a fighters lvl un charmed.
and once that fighter charms its over...in most scenarios.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[spheris]

Yea. Charms are awesome, right?
Even as un-charmed full END archer wouldn't be able to take a +9 fighter around his lvl for more than 12 secs. And even if they did...FULL END u will never kill that fighter.
And Im sure its even worse for mages once their fear has been used.

Bottom Line: Charms put a DD at a fighters lvl un charmed.
and once that fighter charms its over...in most scenarios.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

First thing I have to say-people who need to charm for PvP shouldn't be in PvP areas.

Also theres no way this archer was charmed, with the way my def was at the time they would have been able to kill me if they were.

If I recall correctly though, some of their armor was +9.

Now you may be thinking something along the lines of, not everyone can afford +9 gear, or that not everyone can enhance their armor and weapon, so I'm just going to say it ahead of time:

Not everyone who uses SC uses charms.

Also not everyone who uses charms is going to waste them on PvP.


I mean really, as often as some people go to the BZ, if they were using charms each time, or even every other time-they'd be shelling out a great deal of money, and for a menial reason.

Really I dont thing anyones that dense, but if they are they need to be slapped by a financial advisor.

[TITLE]

is not, hybrid builds are just spiffy like that,



Did you ever think that perhaps the mages and archers should work on their weak points(e.g. DEF) if they dont want to die in pvp?

I mean really, at 72 I went up against a lv75 archer, who actually stood there for my attacks-I killed them eventually, but they made me work for it.

I'm not saying all mages and archers are weak like the pavement eaters-justthe ones with lame builds -.-"

Did you ever think that perhaps with +9s/END build they are still overpowered when a STR fighter with a +9 axe is up to bat?

[spheris]

Did you ever think that perhaps with +9s/END build they are still overpowered when a STR fighter with a +9 axe is up to bat?

I'll assume you meant underpowered.

Also, if you cant kill a full STR fighter, you have a problem.

If they really were full STR, even with good equips they'd still have very low def, and mdef-in other words they should be easy pickings -.-

EDIT: one other thing, if they really were full STR, their HP would be rather low

[TITLE]

I'll assume you meant underpowered.

Also, if you cant kill a full STR fighter, you have a problem.

If they really were full STR, even with good equips they'd still have very low def, and mdef-in other words they should be easy pickings -.-

EDIT: one other thing, if they really were full STR, their HP would be rather low

Yes underpowered, talk about carelessness, thanks.

True it would rather be low on HP and Def for a STR fighter, yet majority of the ones I see are gimp with extenders/END gears.

[spheris]

Yes underpowered, talk about carelessness, thanks.

True it would rather be low on HP and Def for a STR fighter, yet majority of the ones I see are gimp with extenders/END gears.

I dont :D

I probably have the least END on my gears on my entire server as far as 8X fighters are concerned XD

and yet I am not a tissue, go figure :P

although I do use extenders.

[themichael]

First thing I have to say-people who need to charm for PvP shouldn't be in PvP areas.

Also theres no way this archer was charmed, with the way my def was at the time they would have been able to kill me if they were.

If I recall correctly though, some of their armor was +9.

Now you may be thinking something along the lines of, not everyone can afford +9 gear, or that not everyone can enhance their armor and weapon, so I'm just going to say it ahead of time:

Not everyone who uses SC uses charms.

Also not everyone who uses charms is going to waste them on PvP.


I mean really, as often as some people go to the BZ, if they were using charms each time, or even every other time-they'd be shelling out a great deal of money, and for a menial reason.

Really I dont thing anyones that dense, but if they are they need to be slapped by a financial advisor.

LOL.
I think i do great in pvp honestly. Though I think i only kill..maybe 1 STR fighter 1 on 1 each time i go to the pvp kq.

Ive come in 2nd Many Many times.(NEVER EVER 1ST) I dont charm/extend..never have...have only 1 SC item and thats my suit that a friend gifted. BTW i have yet to touch that hammer.
I have 2.1k (unbuffed) hp at 67 more STR than most archers though.
But still...if a +9 axe fighter happens 2 get close enough to deva me (unscrolled/unbuffed), and "Roll their face across the keyboard" (as another character put it) and my eva fails me so that they land 5 good hits...
Im checkin the foundation, lookin for cracks, on the ground, in the tiles.

Simple as that :(

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[MartianMage]

I'm getting tired of all the fighters trying to come up with all sorts of BS scenarios. I just can't help but notice that you fighters seem to love dodging the main issue here. If the game is truly balanced as you fighters claim it to be then why is it that you are outdamaging the damage dealer classes. Just try to justify that before you start feeding us more BS.

[etherealdestruction]

I'm getting tired of all the fighters trying to come up with all sorts of BS scenarios. I just can't help but notice that you fighters seem to love dodging the main issue here. If the game is truly balanced as you fighters claim it to be then why is it that you are outdamaging the damage dealer classes. Just try to justify that before you start feeding us more BS.

We are out damaging the DD classes because of our ability at single target fighting . When it comes to AoE I admit you let loose massive dmgs we cant compare to.

And also we have something that no other class has an ability like yet.Vitality at level 70 it already adds +314 dmg.which is probably more then the free stats you have on your build.So fighters are the optional class.you can play tank,High defense low dmg.hybrid,nice defense nice dmg. Or we can ALSO be damage dealer.High dmg low defense compared to other fighters.And the thing that makes us weak as damage dealer can be over come with a few +9 equips our mdef would still be the same.

[MartianMage]

We are out damaging the DD classes because of our ability at single target fighting . When it comes to AoE I admit you let loose massive dmgs we cant compare to.

And also we have something that no other class has an ability like yet.Vitality at level 70 it already adds +314 dmg.which is probably more then the free stats you have on your build.So fighters are the optional class.you can play tank,High defense low dmg.hybrid,nice defense nice dmg. Or we can ALSO be damage dealer.High dmg low defense compared to other fighters.And the thing that makes us weak as damage dealer can be over come with a few +9 equips our mdef would still be the same.
You are missing the point there. The point is... be it aoe or single target damage, fighters should never outdamage mages and archers. There's a reason why mages and archers are called damage dealers.

What's the point of playing a damage dealer class when the tanker class is outdamaging you?

They need to nerf fighter damage because it's retarded when fighters kill way faster than the "damage dealers."

[noob-cy]

I don't complain. ;p

[themichael]

We are out damaging the DD classes because of our ability at single target fighting . When it comes to AoE I admit you let loose massive dmgs we cant compare to.

And also we have something that no other class has an ability like yet.Vitality at level 70 it already adds +314 dmg.which is probably more then the free stats you have on your build.So fighters are the optional class.you can play tank,High defense low dmg.hybrid,nice defense nice dmg. Or we can ALSO be damage dealer.High dmg low defense compared to other fighters.And the thing that makes us weak as damage dealer can be over come with a few +9 equips our mdef would still be the same.

Maybe.
but think about it...
A Axe fighter may sacrafice alot of def to on account of not having a sheild but should still NEVER outdamage a DD; AoE, or Single target. (BTW in most MMOs archer are know for their rapid single target killing speed. not fighters)
And when a 2h is mixed with Vitality at 70 that fighter still has more Def/HP than the DD so that fighter has even more Damage than b4, which was already 2 much. So...now is it clear that they are way oveerpowered yet?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[kwadjo12]

A lot of fighters in this thread obviously have not played a mage or archer after lvl 60 and up. A lot of the fighters just don't get it. The four classes were never ment to be this way in the first place. I think a lot of fighters are happy with the way things are right now because outspark and on ons soft have made them too powerful or mages and archers to weak. This is not how the classes were ment to be. Try a different mmo and compare it to this one and see the differences.

[themichael]

The thing is...
DDs were severely nerfed coming to the American version and fighters remained the same.
Thats why they "seem" overpowered but we are acyually underpowered.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[marvin10]

yeah...i guess now that all of u pointed out all of this, that they are overpowered...i am a fighter, tho i never really took into account all of the differences, since the only characters i have are fighters, my highest one being 4x (lol, weak, i know). But then again, i dont really pvp unless its ppl of my lvl and if they're fighters themselves, just a good 'ol fashioned duel of 1 v 1

[wannabeguyo]

I'm posting here instead of doing my work. >..<

Anyway, Fighters ARE overpowered and everyone knows about it. We can talk about this all we want, but OS and OOS just don't care. I have come to terms with that, and now I realize how we get stuck in this cycle.

First we become really angry and make 1 or 2 posts on the general discussion. Usually OS ignores this, then we make another. When they see that a lot of us are on the brink of leaving, they send a GM to the thread, talk about how it's not their fault, tell us it's going to be changed soon, sometimes they even say how they were not aware of the issue, and we believe it. After a while we notice nothings changed, and we end up repeating this cycle over and over. In the end it's about the cash.

[kwadjo12]

i was bored yesterday, so i was browsing through the korean fiesta's grand updates. But i found something very interesting. http://fiestaonline.net/news/notice/view03.asp
Scroll down close to the bottom of the page and look at all the class balance changes they made for each class.

[bariban]

Because most of pkers are fighters. >.<


With other classes' healing, kiting, fear, the opponent can actively fight back, while stuns leave you no choice other than just standing there hopelessly spamming pots and stones hoping that you have enough def to withstand fighters' many attacks, especially +9 DD, in those short seconds.

I was brutally murdered yesterday while trying to equip T3. When I noticed I got stunned, my health already went down to 30%. Them and their darn stuns. I should've upgraded my gears, a mage using lvl 20 gears at lvl 50 is a major fault. What can I say, being poor is a sin. -.-''

[themichael]

lol i dont care for mages under lvl 59 dunno why they are wasting their time with pvp then but its really not that imbalanced. Considering that i havnt been lower than lvl 70 for a year (back when mages were ridiculously overpowered) all i can say is just play smart cuz yes it is very possible to beat fighters

and yes i am an sc user during guild wars but i dont know why id waste them while messing around in pvp

and considering your a lvl 43 mage i dont know why your opinion really even matters let alone the fact that your an archer u should really learn to read kid k thx <3

U act like one of those ****y fighters...anyways...
Its alot harder for an archer to kill a fighter uncharmed let alone a mage.
And only maybe half of them claim to be able to pwn END fighters but they usually dont say its easy.

BTW were u charmed/extended by any chance going against this fighter?
because that would explain it.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[whatever1234567]

i was bored yesterday, so i was browsing through the korean fiesta's grand updates. But i found something very interesting. http://fiestaonline.net/news/notice/view03.asp
Scroll down close to the bottom of the page and look at all the class balance changes they made for each class.

YEa sorry dude we already got some of that update i think or at least the date on that page says December 2007

[kwadjo12]

Im talking about some of the class balance changes that they got in that update. We need a lot of those class balance changes they got in that update

[willemstyle]

Fighters have no chance against mages late-level. keep that in mind, and fighters are well balanced classes!

[themichael]

Fighters have no chance against mages late-level. keep that in mind, and fighters are well balanced classes!

Fighters are ridiculously overpowered.
also keep in mind that a character shouldn't have to w8 73(if you're thinking stifle is the fair maker. =3) or 8x to be able to take down another class without having to go through their whole stategy book, and the other can close their eyes and tap hot keys?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[mehe25]

Here's just the simple way of showing it...

Archer: http://www.benzclassiccar.com/images/1030-2009-Audi-TTS-Car-Photo.jpg


Mage: http://s3.amazonaws.com/pixmac-preview/super-tricycle.jpg







Archer VS Fighter:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gwaz9FzRU_0/SX8jxs2EcxI/AAAAAAAAAMI/okovuc1lciw/s400/monster-truck-0021.JPG


After Mage vs Fighter: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/367062023_7ebfff13dc.jpg?v=0


And heres cleric...can't kill anything and yet nothing can kill it XD

http://www.jasonwoodmansee.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/12/mystery_machine.jpg

[TITLE]

The post above says it all. -Hands down-

[wannabeguyo]

Finally. Except I think this personifies fighters better.
http://www.emergentchaos.com/images/06-june/car-crushed-by-tank.jpg

[themichael]

Finally. Except I think this personifies fighters better.
http://www.emergentchaos.com/images/06-june/car-crushed-by-tank.jpg

Psh..
Stupid archer going head on with the fighter.
He should blame himself.

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[TITLE]

Psh..
Stupid archer going head on with the fighter.
He should blame himself.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Think about it, the archer's reverse is jammed. Therefore only one way to get out of the way is forward and whose up ahead..? You bet, the fighter with a axe spam of the entire road!!

[themichael]

And this is exactly why this archer is Now grinding in the lvl: speedway abyss; to be ready for the next cap raise where he can stop that fighter in his tracks.

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[TITLE]

And this is exactly why this archer is Now grinding in the lvl: speedway abyss; to be ready for the next cap raise where he can stop that fighter in his tracks.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Or they could just give back the archer's reverse gear ;).

There are no corners hard enough to turn, drift your way under fighters and they fall head over heels.

[tyrfing214]

Dev should give Fighters the ability to Charge up to the enemy and stun when in contact for 3 secs, one usable only out of combat and one usable in any mode. Remove Deva. Give them bleed effects, give them single target move debuff and an aoe move debuff. Give them spell reflect. Give them Execute where they try to deal 3x damage to an enemy 20% below hp. Give them Disarm. Give them Deathwish boosting atk power 20% but receives 20% more damage in 15secs. Give them Enrage boosting atk power by 5% every time Fighter gets a crit for 15 secs, stacks 3x.

Overall, All class' damage should be decreased 50% and make Stones and Potion have cooldown of 2 mins. A 5 secs fight isn't a fight at all.
lolololololololol

PS: For those who know what I'm talking about, shut up.;)

[whatever1234567]

Dev should give Fighters the ability to Charge up to the enemy and stun when in contact for 3 secs, one usable only out of combat and one usable in any mode. Remove Deva. Give them bleed effects, give them single target move debuff and an aoe move debuff. Give them spell reflect. Give them Execute where they try to deal 3x damage to an enemy 20% below hp. Give them Disarm. Give them Deathwish boosting atk power 20% but receives 20% more damage in 15secs. Give them Enrage boosting atk power by 5% every time Fighter gets a crit for 15 secs, stacks 3x.

Overall, All class' damage should be decreased 50% and make Stones and Potion have cooldown of 2 mins. A 5 secs fight isn't a fight at all.
lolololololololol

PS: For those who know what I'm talking about, shut up.;)

OMG ITS A WoW JUNKY no wonder your a troll i'll play along for now but i'll reveal what the "WoW" is if no one else can figure it out muhahahahahahaha

[TITLE]

Dev should give Fighters the ability to Charge up to the enemy and stun when in contact for 3 secs, one usable only out of combat and one usable in any mode. Remove Deva. Give them bleed effects, give them single target move debuff and an aoe move debuff. Give them spell reflect. Give them Execute where they try to deal 3x damage to an enemy 20% below hp. Give them Disarm. Give them Deathwish boosting atk power 20% but receives 20% more damage in 15secs. Give them Enrage boosting atk power by 5% every time Fighter gets a crit for 15 secs, stacks 3x.

Overall, All class' damage should be decreased 50% and make Stones and Potion have cooldown of 2 mins. A 5 secs fight isn't a fight at all.
lolololololololol

PS: For those who know what I'm talking about, shut up.;)

LMAOROFL, Oh no you didn't!

[themichael]

OMG ITS A *** JUNKY no wonder your a troll i'll play along for now but i'll reveal what the "***" is if no one else can figure it out muhahahahahahaha

any other Free MMORPG?

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[TITLE]

LOL! @themichael
Quick edit your *** :D Do it now!!

[themichael]

LOL! @themichael
Quick edit your *** :D Do it now!!

AWW why?
BTW: i did it.

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[mehe25]

Psh..
Stupid archer going head on with the fighter.
He should blame himself.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Umm, its usualy the other way around.

[themichael]

Umm, its usualy the other way around.

well this time he was tryna be a tarcher so...he deserved it:rolleyes:

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[TITLE]

AWW why?
BTW: i did it.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Good you did.. because talking or mentioning about other games on fiesta related forums are bad. :O If a mod finds out.. /threadclose, LOL! XD

[themichael]

Ahh I see.

@zeus
did you draw your siggy or get it from somewhere.
(curious I am @.@)

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[Tahfujin]

Question...

Are these fighters you fight using +9 axes? if so are you using +9 gear?

[Edit]I hate to see that you are complaining about taking +9 damage without having +9 defense.

Fighters arent overpowered.

[themichael]

Question...

Are these fighters you fight using +9 axes? if so are you using +9 gear?

I hate to see that you are complaining about taking +9 damage without taking +9 defense.

Fighters arent overpowered.

*snickers*
I finally get a debate.

Why is it that a character should have to go out and buy/make +9 gears just to stand up against ONE +9 weapon.

And even still. a cleric/mage/archer cant do you in nearly as swiftly as a fighter does. Even still, It shouldn't be necessary for any other class to have to spend tons of money just to stand a chance against another class of that same level; If so, then THAT class is most definately overpowered.

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[wannabeguyo]

Lawl, TITLE is actually one of the rare fighters that I actually like.

[QUOTE=Tahfujin;1654110]Question...

Are these fighters you fight using +9 axes? if so are you using +9 gear?

I hate to see that you are complaining about taking +9 damage without taking +9 defense.

-.-", just think about what you said for a while.