Get Rid of PVP in abyss!!!

[jrmuzzy2]

I am sick and tired of pvp in the abyss. The higher levels go in the abyss under them. (30s go in 20s 40s go in 30s 50s go in 40s) While they are in there they Kill the lower levels over and over and don't stop. We lose exp when killed so it is realy frustrating getting spawned killed by higher levels. Either get rid of pvp in abyss or make the abyss the right cap again.(20-29)(30-39)(40-49)(50-59)(60-69)(70-79)(80-89). Please consider doing one of these GMs,CSR,CMS. I would realy be happy and many other would be too. so please either
1. Get rid of pvp in abyss
2.Make the lvl cap from the start lvl to x9
3. Get rid of pvp all together
Thank you for reading.

[Plushii]

I agree on the old lvl restrictions to be put back up.
a lvl 36 vs a lvl 20 is just bad.

However abyss has always been pvp, the exp lose gets people ticked off, not the pvp.
I really don't agree with the exp lost there.
And I think it's just a hint from Outspark that you buy teva.

Sure abyss has nice exp and rewards, so there should be a risk of pvp, players fighting over rooms and all.
It's all fine the way it was before, but the exp lose ruins it.

[mermer]

well in abyss u get more exp and more drops like normal mobs so it must be a risk that is not a map that u do quests is just lvling.kinda war in there because they fight for they own reason.so its fair to be pvp there but idk they putted to lose exp..im lucky that i have a fighter and cleric and kinda strong :) so i love the abyss

[neolancer]

i like going to higher lvls abyss's, more exp so you lvl faster but it sucks when a higher lvl person kills you. like yesterday i was fighting a mob in 70 abyss and a 8x fighter killed me, so i kinda called in some people and we killed him over and over because he didn't stop attacking

[thunder73]

The worse is 2x abyss. On Teva, there is a fighter named ExoticPassion. He is lvl 36, and all he does is pk everyone who goes into abyss. It pisses me off that he can go in there and just have his way with whomever he wants. Atleast get rid of xp lost. I actually have an archer that should be lvl 25 by now, but when I went to grind in abyss, I got killed too much. They should have some sort of challenge system, you send one to someone you want to 1 v 1, or pty v pty to eliminate all the teams that go therewith 2 or 3 people and kill everyone cause a lvl 36 cannot kill 3 lvl 20 chars. at once. I would love to grind in abyss for the xp I need to lvl, but unfortunately, there are those with no class or 1 v 1 skills. If that challenge system were put into play, that would cut down teaming and unfair matches such as 36 v. 20. You could wait till max lvl, but then the xp isnt that good anyway, so you might as well go to the next lvl abyss. Idk,I just hate going into abyss to grind and having teams and tkers waiting for me. If you agree, post again, maybe outspark will take in this new system!

[jrmuzzy2]

I don't mind PVP in abyss but the old lvl restrictions need to come back. I was in the 20 abyss on my cleric lvl 3xs come and run a round killing everyone. Atleast put the lvl limits back.

[Plushii]

I decided to lvl up my fighter and get him to 36 with +9 gears and all and protect the lower levels in lvl 20 abyss.
Even if the exp you lose at lvl 2x is not much it still sucks and will be a lot when you get killed over and over again.

[soojin]

i think eliminating pvp from the abyss 100% is unreasonable, simply because there is already a non-pvp dungeon along with the countless regular non-pvp maps in-game. :P yesyes, the non-pvp dungeon is harder, but it's a sacrifice you take to NOT be killed by another member and to get more experience.

i think putting the old level restrictions back on the abyss is a much better solution, though. some people actually go into the abyss to train, and use the PVP ability to kill people for the better training spots. i think people who just camp in there just to spawn kill / harass other players who are way below their level = pathetic. and i hate the captain obvious " if you don't go in you won't die " answer.

btw: thunder73 - you may wanna remove that person's in-game name. T_T blacklisting isn't allowed, though i personally believe the community has a right to know what players cause problems..

[painleica]

i know how u feel...D; get rid of the pvp in the abyss plz T-T i had it when i plvl my freind in the abyss D: they gang up on me for no reason at all, all they say is ''go to ur own abyss'' or ''sorry i need the kill points''
i really dont like that at all v.v..
http://i43.tinypic.com/mu76kj.jpg

[mehe20]

You get rid of the PvP you get rid of the abyss then.

[nique554]

I was in abyss with my lvl 28 cleric and look and behold some lvl 32 archer just comes in and owns my whole party you can imagine how annoyed i was cuz i was at 99% i lvled eventually but i never went in that PvP mad place again...point is they really need to put the abyss back to the way it was and stop all this madness...my friend even quit because she got Pked everytime she went in there...another good cleric gone -.- what next Outspark you gonna ban healing in the FBZ's <.<

[darthnish]

I decided to lvl up my fighter and get him to 36 with +9 gears and all and protect the lower levels in lvl 20 abyss.
Even if the exp you lose at lvl 2x is not much it still sucks and will be a lot when you get killed over and over again.

i did that for a while and then some guy, bleeding with sc came along...... meh

[lastlightofdawn]

Many people have been voting on this decision. However, this is something that is likely not going to come true.
Since Abyss gives high exp and such good rewards, who would do anything else but train in the Abyss if PvP was removed?
PvP in the Abyss is like defending your land; it is a place where you must endure; survive in order to be able to take the reward. It's dangerous; but higher the danger, the better the reward. If there was no danger but monsters and just the Free Battle Zones, and the Abyss with no PvP, how easy could this game get? It's true that 3x are in the 2x Abyss; but why are there 3x in the 2x Abyss? Because the 4x are in the 3x Abyss. Also, killing mobs in the 2x Abyss for a Lv. 3x is MUCH faster than trying to grind in the 3x Abyss.
I absolutely HATE the 3x Abyss. >.< The way the Ghosts fear, the way the Procks Poison needs T3 cure; which is avaliable to a 4x Cleric; but I'm not demanding Outspark to change it- because if Outspark changed everything into our favour, than the game would have no challenge.

P.S. To people who have suffered Spawn Killing in-game, the player can be reported. It is true, Spawn killing is a form of harassment. Have the player's name, server, and a few screenshots as proof and you can report the player.

[skinnbonesam]

dawn is completely correct, can't really say anything else because she covered it all =p lol

[Tamlinari]

Well I for one disagree with lastlightofdawn.
I have heard that same argument reiterated over and over and it simply has no validity to it.
Outspark did not open the Abyss to a bunch of sick minded degenerate pkers for the sake of game balance.
That argument that Outspark did it to present an obstacle to the players seeking easy exp and drops is simply not true.
If that were the case then it would be much easier and more reliable to just make the mobs a lot tougher to kill the same as it is in the Bonds of Darkness.

No, the reason that they extended the level restriction was to create a situation where players would feel compelled to buy charms, extenders, and blessing of teva from the cash shop in order to combat the threat of idiot pkers in the Abyss.

It was strictly a move to create more cash shop sales.
It has nothing to do with game balance or more challenge for the players.

[oyatoss]

But i really dont get the spawnkilling thing. If for example i kill someone, and hes like " u ***** i would **** u with my main " etc etc and gets ****y and just doesnt do anything and i for example kill him all the time he gets his idle off, thats not spawnkilling? he has a choice, stay in there. and get killed. go out and not get killed, he begs for it if he stays there?..

[lastlightofdawn]

Well I for one disagree with lastlightofdawn.
I have heard that same argument reiterated over and over and it simply has no validity to it.
Outspark did not open the Abyss to a bunch of sick minded degenerate pkers for the sake of game balance.
That argument that Outspark did it to present an obstacle to the players seeking easy exp and drops is simply not true.
If that were the case then it would be much easier and more reliable to just make the mobs a lot tougher to kill the same as it is in the Bonds of Darkness.

No, the reason that they extended the level restriction was to create a situation where players would feel compelled to buy charms, extenders, and blessing of teva from the cash shop in order to combat the threat of idiot pkers in the Abyss.

It was strictly a move to create more cash shop sales.
It has nothing to do with game balance or more challenge for the players.

Either way, PvP in Abyss won't be removed.

And if it had absolutely nothing to do with the challenge for players and game balance, then Fiesta would be an all too easy game; I don't know about your opinion because I am not you, but I wouldn't play a game where everything comes to me on a gold platter. Sure, it might be fun in the beginning because you get everything you want, but where is the conflict in the game? Where is the purpose, the thrill of the game that keeps you on edge, bringing you back to this game? Fiesta was named a good game for MMORPG beginners; Why? Because it's easy to play. If Fiesta was any easier than now, I wouldn't be playing. I play MMORPG games because of the thrill, not because of the things that come to me easy. The more harder you work, the more fun it will be, and the higher reward. The difficultness, community, and learning how to play is the thrill of MMORPG; buying SC just enhances your game play.
You are right, Outspark did NOT open the Abyss up to 'sick minded degenerate' PKers to balance the game, because that has just unbalanced the game even more; and by all means, maybe they have only done it for the purpose so that more people can buy SC- but do you think SC in a PvP Battle Zone even everything out? Do you Outspark thinks SC will sort everything out in PvP? Maybe you think Outspark doesn't care; but we, the players of this game, are the ones that buy SC; if they don't care about what we think, Fiesta's population will shrink because of the many problems that had grown out of hand; if Outspark didn't care, there would be no updates on what-so-ever other than SC items.
Making monsters tougher wouldn't be the solution to what I said anyway; if many maps on Fiesta were like that, it would be a common thing, no thrill to it. What would be the point? Abyss PvP is a place where you can PvP and train; it is a one of a kind map- a map that can thrill people because it is so different from the others.
Also, making this move does not mean the vitims of PKers or the PKers themselves will buy SC for PvP sake; I am a PKer of the 2x Abysmal Cave. My Mage on another account is Lv. 33. I don't use SC, yet I have made it to Leaderboards; I repeat, without SC. My other alts have trained fine in the 2x Abyss without it too. I get killed; okay, it's annoying, so what? As long as it does not violate the ToS, I am fine with any PvP. People who buy SC for PKing or surviving PKers are buying them for easier game play.
It is my opinion that you are mistaken that people think they must buy SC to survive Abyss; because it is not true for many people. SC is just another part of the game, just like Abyss. If Outspark did this move to only get more SC with absolutely no other reason, wouldn't they just bother to make the players pay for their games, just like WoW? Why do people bother paying to play WoW? Because it is thrilling, challenging, and keeps them on the edge of their seats; that's why they pay to play. And have you ever thought about how challenging the game is could be the thing that makes people buy SC, to have thrill, but not be too difficult?But i really dont get the spawnkilling thing. If for example i kill someone, and hes like " u ***** i would **** u with my main " etc etc and gets ****y and just doesnt do anything and i for example kill him all the time he gets his idle off, thats not spawnkilling? he has a choice, stay in there. and get killed. go out and not get killed, he begs for it if he stays there?..
I believe that any form of killing a person on the spawn spot is spawn killing. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

[mehe20]

Just put back the normal level restrictions.

[lastlightofdawn]

Just put back the normal level restrictions.

Can't a Lv. 29 kill a Lv. 20 just as easy as a Lv. 36 can kill a Lv. 27?
This won't solve the problem; it's just running away from it.

[mehe20]

Can't a Lv. 29 kill a Lv. 20 just as easy as a Lv. 36 can kill a Lv. 27?
This won't solve the problem; it's just running away from it.

So what are you suggesting? an abyss for each and every indivigual level? XD

[lastlightofdawn]

So what are you suggesting? an abyss for each and every indivigual level? XD

Lol.
I don't think there's anything that will completely fix the Abyss problems right now. ._. Outspark must come up with a uber-genius idea to keep the Abyss but stop the complaints... @.@

[keratzoman]

Such as to prohibit e.g a level 54 to attack a level 50 (4 levels +).
That's the first that comes into my mind.

[omoidake]

IMO the best option would be to set a level restriction on how far below your level you can attack someone.

[keratzoman]

....and to also add a CHALLENGE THINGY AT LAST!AT LEAST IN ABYSS!Like an opponent declares a duel and if you want you accept/refuse.

[omoidake]

That would defeat the point of PKing though if they can just refuse, but I can see like a +5 level cap to being able to kill other players.

[slashler]

I WANT THE PVP gone

[donovanmill123]

you know what you guys, stop complaining. abyss is for pvping, by going in there you risk being killed, if you don't like it leave. i used to play when there was no abyss, or free battle zones, so i welcome the change, its a good way to get exp and some good items. your not forced to go in there if you don't like it don't go in simple as that. and on ppl that are saying make the restrictions only for that level ex. (20-29)(30-39)(40-49)(50-59)(60-69)(70-79)(80-89). i actually enjoy going two or three levels above mine to fight. yes there are strong ppl that can kill you really quick, but who cares? if they wanna kill you and you just keep re-spawning so they can kill you again, then its not there fault that you keep coming back. if you don't like it just leave

[donovanmill123]

Such as to prohibit e.g a level 54 to attack a level 50 (4 levels +).
That's the first that comes into my mind.

and im sorry theres more, you dont like it read past it i really dont care. but too that ^ i enjoy seeing how long i can last against ppl 5 or 10 lvls above me, its a challenge and i enjoy that. so for ppl like me why take that away?

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

I decided to lvl up my fighter and get him to 36 with +9 gears and all and protect the lower levels in lvl 20 abyss.
Even if the exp you lose at lvl 2x is not much it still sucks and will be a lot when you get killed over and over again.

Im thinking about making a super mage for the same purpose, full +9s, full INT and +9 Wand, also t3 scrolls =D

[undefined]

I'm not even going to bother reading the whole thread. It's the same thing every time.

Abyss is for PVP. If you don't like it, get out. If you're a cleric/have high enough def you can get the same exp in a higher level zone anyway, and without the risk. The abyss pking calms down a little more the higher you get, so you wont completely miss out on the drops in higher levels - when you'll actually need the exp. Back in beta there was no abyss and people level'd just fine. If leveling is really so slow that you think you actually need abyss, this must be your first mmo-RPG.

With the cash shop going, yes, pvp will suck. So avoid it instead of whining and trying to ruin the fun for people who do like it.

[storageforhero]

its PVP in abyss, its the level cap range thats the problem, along with killpoints that can't be deducted, i think its out of hand because of these... if there would be no PVP, there will be no abyss, and no production scroll drops from T2-T4, and the worst would be less drops.
People should learn if they want a challenge they should ask first, also not take anyone's room period. Just to save drama and craziness, there should be a problem solver to the PKers and people who take other's rooms by killing them. Also, respect level ranges

[Takuya98]

NO.
PVP should stay in the abysses, with out it the abysses would be swarming with people we should also keep the exp loss other wise the other maps would be useless
Norm map: reg drops, less exp> Abyss: better drops, better exp. which would you choose for grinding and there is something on your screen saying something like Pvp is enabled if you dont want exp loss by pking leave.
though they should change the lvl range for ex the lvl 20 abyss 20-29

[Snowman109]

As Care posted , lol Thats THE WHOLE PVP - ABYSS dillemmmaa thingie

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2397/20768387iw4.jpg

[mehe25]

Number 2 is the most logical and reasonable, as well as fair.


I choose you pikatchu!!! I mean...I choose you number 2!!!


You're poll is completely only with number 3 and its alternate as well as a...not reasonable one, how about make a new one and put all the options in.

[snowysnow09]

Why is the poll closed?

For me pvp in abyss is okay but just remove the exp loss.

[donovanmill123]

Why is the poll closed?

For me pvp in abyss is okay but just remove the exp loss.

if you remove the xp loss, then you lose the xp gain. and if that happens why even have it there?

[mehe25]

if you remove the xp loss, then you lose the xp gain. and if that happens why even have it there?

Well I rather lose some of the exp gain rather than have to lose a good bit of the exp I worked for, even if its 1% or a half it still takes a long time to regain that amount.

[spheris]

Whats that sound? whining.... -.O

PvP is great, the only thing the need to fix about the abyss is the minimum requirement for entering,

I stopped going in the abyss cause of all the newbs ._.'

I mean you cant kill em cause then you're villified as a PK, but it is sooooooooooooo tempting to PK when you get KSed by a 5x in the 7x abyss where they just dont belong...

[xxandreaxx]

they should keep the abyss the way it i 10-36 , 10-46 ...etc but if a lvl 30 wants to kill a lvl 15 they shouldn't b able to attack them u should only be able to attack people in your lvl group like 20-29 .. sounds stupid but it jus may work. and besides i see alot of lvl 30+ lvling in abyss what's wrong? can't handle a ghost in the 30 abyss ? gotta come killa phino to make u feel stronger ? hehehe

[cutmeownthroatdblr]

PVP in abyss is unreasonable because:

1. There is already an fbz in each and every town where you can CHOOSE to go kill or get killed

2. The ones doing the killing in abyss are usually:
a. charmed out the wazoo (which makes it unfair because not everyone can afford
charms)
b. a higher level than those they are killing
c. or with a gang like a regular party but there for the sole purpose of harassing and
killing others therefor BREAKING THE TOS WHICH CLEARLY STATES YOU ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO INTERFERE WITH THE ENJOYMENT OF OTHERS IN THE GAME
d. have all their equips and weaps plus nined, (again, not everyone can do this so
gives an unfair advantage)

3. There are no clearly stated rules regarding behaviour in abyss so people feel they can
spawn kill, shroom kill and prevent people from leaving abyss so they don't get killed
again

4. Removes the possibility of an enjoyable experience of the game for many because of
constant, harassing pvp killing

PVP in abyss is UNNECESSARY. If you think just because there are more monsters and more drops it should have something to make it more difficult, then make the monsters more difficult. Make it a place to practice your skills against monsters, not against people who do not want to be killing other people.

PVP in abyss is DISCRIMINATORY against those who are in exhibition only guilds. People in those guilds are in them because they do not wish to be killing other people, yet they are basically barred from enjoyable use of abyss because they are put into a positon where they must kill or allow themselves to be killed by other people, not by monsters.

My understanding, and do correct me if I'm wrong, (GM's GL's only please), is the object of this game is to protect and free the land of Isya from the monsters that are over running it. Killing the very ones who are supposed to be the HEROES of the game would only weaken the forces gathered to achieve this purpose. Instead of having a band of heroes who gather together to fight the evil ones, such as Helga and the variety of monsters that abound in the land, you have a bunch of anti-heroes whose sole purpose is to ruin it for others. Yes, these heroes would sometimes challenge each other to feats of arms, and that is what fbz and pvp quest is for. Why make an area that could be a good training ground into a slaughterhouse? It is unreasonable to do so and defeats the purpose of protecting the land.

PVP in abyss simply brings out the worst in people instead of the best. It turns people who are having a bad day into bullies picking on the "little kids" on the block. So I ask, why is it these people are doing the pvp in abyss rather than in fbz? Since they aren't battling monsters they obviously are not there for the drops! Have you noticed how few people are ever in fbz? It's because these same bullies probably wouldn't stand a chance against their peers in a fair battle. If they are there for the so called Kill Points, wouldn't they get the same kill points in fbz? NO! Because in fbz they would be risking their own loss of kps by the possibility of defeat!

If there must be pvp in abyss then make it a challenge only with right of refusal. And the refusal MUST be accepted with no further harassment or attacking. Make it a place for ALL players not just the fortunate few who are able to spend unlimited amounts of sc to be so protected there is not chance of a fair fight, and put back the level limits!

Oh, for those of you who say, "well there are good drops like skill scrolls and where else would you get them?' GET THEM OUT OF ABYSS!!! THere is NO LOGICAL REASON to have skill scrolls being a drop! Let's just lay our money down and BUY them! OR, make them a drop EVERYWHERE!, because once again you are discriminating against those who can't fight in abyss because of being ganged up on or slaughtered by highly charmed, buffed, higher levels! And don't even tell me it would ruin the economy where vendors charge exhorbitant prices for scrolls because there are always people who would rather buy something than work for it or who are impatient and want it NOW.

And for those who say, "well if you don't like pvp don't come in and you won't get killed. WHY RUIN THE FUN FOR THOSE WHO DO LIKE IT?" Well, why NOT ruin it? You surely are ruining the fun for those who DON'T like it!, and you at least would still have the choice of fbz where you can go and slaughter to your hearts content! You leave those who don't care to kill other people with NO choice. Everyone has the choice of quests and grinding so that doesn't count.

[YoshimaruOrona]

Abyss is fail because people screwed with the level ranges.

Everything else is designed as a part of the game and people (abyss lovers and haters) need to understand that.

[Shaden]

they should keep the abyss the way it i 10-36 , 10-46 ...etc but if a lvl 30 wants to kill a lvl 15 they shouldn't b able to attack them u should only be able to attack people in your lvl group like 20-29 .. sounds stupid but it jus may work. and besides i see alot of lvl 30+ lvling in abyss what's wrong? can't handle a ghost in the 30 abyss ? gotta come killa phino to make u feel stronger ? hehehe

30 Abyss sucks total [bunch-of-derogatory-remarks-here].

The mobs have (compared to the 20, 50, 60, 70 Abyss) a lot more health, higher defense, defense skills (fear), poisons, and drops are bleh.

Same goes with the 40 Abyss.

I leveled my Fighter in the 20 Abyss right to 33 before XP dropped off and it was by-all means fast.

So, why grind in the 30/40 Abyss? They just waste your time.

You're better off grinding in the 30/40 dungeons respectively. ~.~;

[warriord]

I don't mind the Pvp in Abyssm, I just think that the ep loss yeah it's okay, but when you get to a certain % of exp. Maybe you could like not loss exp... I mean My friend struggled to make it to lvl 40 through help with Abyss's and I think that if your 90 -100%
you shouldn't loss exp, I mean If you're that close and you have no more quests....Think about it.. Figure it out by your self just remember I asked this, Don't End PvP In Abyss Just No Exp loss for 90-100%, and maybe if you KS, maybe just kick them out for five minutes or something? I mean truely if you're gonna ks then please, Make it a lower lvl that yourself. And not someone with a main, they will search for you and track you down to kill you over and over.....I mean this.

[willemstyle]

Get rid of pvp in abyss? HELL NO!
Add level limit like 20-29, 30-39? YEAH!

[Will109]

I think that PVP is cool and higher lvs should be able to go in there, but I personally think that its not fair to the people that cant get SPARKCASH that they lose exp from being killed by people. I think that they should take out the exp loss out like they have in free battle zone.

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[derektan]

Let me say something.
i think the designers make abyss for low lvl ppl. If they make restriction on the lvl in abyss. High lvl ppl cannot lvl their friends or guildmen in low lvl abyss. (i.e. 60-70mage helps 30lvls) They want all low lvls catch up faster, cuz the cap is 89 now, not old cap 59. i think this is GM's purpose to make this change. They want to balance all lvls if possible.

[XExpressionX]

i think people who just camp in there just to spawn kill / harass other players who are way below their level = pathetic. and i hate the captain obvious " if you don't go in you won't die " answer.


People always told me that and they never told me anything else. They just said "DON'T GO IN stupid...". It really doesn't help. It's not like they can do anything about it, but at least give GOOD advice. Because of this, I've completely abandoned the abyss. I've decided at the x6 level I'll go in my level abyss and protect some people if I'm bored(mind you, this is on my level 39 archer).

The best I can do with my cleric is stand outside and buff them. My archer just got murdered in there, and it made me so mad. People don't understand how pointless it is to do that. Oh well, Abyss is behind me.

I'm sure I'll go back in the higher levels where most* people aren't complete butt-faces.

[joshbl56]

People always told me that and they never told me anything else. They just said "DON'T GO IN stupid...". It really doesn't help. It's not like they can do anything about it, but at least give GOOD advice. Because of this, I've completely abandoned the abyss. I've decided at the x6 level I'll go in my level abyss and protect some people if I'm bored(mind you, this is on my level 39 archer).

The best I can do with my cleric is stand outside and buff them. My archer just got murdered in there, and it made me so mad. People don't understand how pointless it is to do that. Oh well, Abyss is behind me.

I'm sure I'll go back in the higher levels where most* people aren't complete butt-faces.

I completely agree with this. My main is a cleric and i gave up abyss with him cause i would always get ksed in Abyss. So, i gave up Abyss. I still like to go to the waiting area before you go to Abyss and heal people, but that's it.

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