Please KOS all pot resellers in PVP

[himoses]

As a way of restoring confidence in Xen's economy and to lessen exploit krons, I and a few others have been trying to give away our krons obtained through exploit by giving away free tiny pots to low leve and poor players. Each player has been requested to use all pots in leveling and to now sell a single pot. Lately, I have informed recipients that they made be KOS (this is not bad if it is PVP since that is the intention of PVP CL's) if entering PVP and selling free pots for profit.

I know some of you don't care. For those that do, please wipe the floor with any player you have seen doing this heinous activity.

It is your civic joy as a citizen of Xen. ;)

Thanks to those who have already participated knowingly or unknowingly.

[DemKill9556]

As a way of restoring confidence in Xen's economy and to lessen exploit krons, I and a few others have been trying to give away our krons obtained through exploit by giving away free tiny pots to low leve and poor players. Each player has been requested to use all pots in leveling and to now sell a single pot. Lately, I have informed recipients that they made be KOS (this is not bad if it is PVP since that is the intention of PVP CL's) if entering PVP and selling free pots for profit.

I know some of you don't care. For those that do, please wipe the floor with any player you have seen doing this heinous activity.

It is your civic joy as a citizen of Xen. ;)

Thanks to those who have already participated knowingly or unknowingly.

What so if I walk in on my gearless disc not selling for a profit, but for say like holiday niceness or something you'll kill me?! Ok, I see. Understood sir.
-Dripping with sarcasm-

[bobalitos]

i dont get it lol

[himoses]

Okay, there have been multiple free tiny pot giveaways by a few players. Most of these pots were given to low level players. Some of these players have been being greedy and selling these free pots for profit when they were asked not to.

If you want to give away pots or sell pots, it is ultimately up to you. I am just calling for an open season on greedy people in PVP, particulary FREE pot resellers.

And yes, if you go into the PVP, you should expect to kill or be killed so this thread is not a violation of TOS.

[dylanangel]

You can not ask for all those who walk into pvp selling pots to be KOS'd on the spot because you have NO proof they got them for free. Its that simple

[tazsbigtoy]

Well, it probably would be hard for the average person to tell who was reselling free pots and who was just selling pots. But the purpose of the project was to try to do two nice things at once, help lower level people and people who were hurt by this incident by offsetting a major expense, and to get rid of some to the excess kron. By reselling the pots, the people are just adding the kron right back into the system, and if they are selling them for more than the cost from the store, they are making matters even worse.

[himoses]

You can not ask for all those who walk into pvp selling pots to be KOS'd on the spot because you have NO proof they got them for free. Its that simple

And how can you say I have no proof if I am the one who gave them out and some of the exact same people I gave them to are reselling them?

BTW, there is a misunderstanding of what I am saying. I am simply stating for people KNOWN to be reselling FREE tiny pots to be KOS in pvp. If that means KOS'sing every pot reseller so be it. It is PVP after all.

If that means I get KOS'd in PVP for tying to help people and do something that Outspark is unable or unwilling to do, so be it.

[TRXSTA]

By reselling the pots, the people are just adding the kron right back into the system, and if they are selling them for more than the cost from the store, they are making matters even worse.
Two possibilities. They're re-selling to NPC. They're re-selling in shop. If they're selling to NPC, at least only half the kron is coming back. If they're selling in shop, no kron is added back. It's a pretty crappy way to take advantage of someone's generosity and good intentions, but in a macroeconomics sense, progress has still been made.

[LightintheDarkness]

Good eye TRX! :D I didn't know you were this well versed in economics. Kudos to you!! And yes, what TRX said is true, progress has still been made albeit not as much as intended. Himoses, I understand what you must be feelingat this time and I'm just gonna go out and say, you're right. People who are being this greedy are those people who made the economy this bad in the first place. As such they probably "should" be KOS'd in PvP. However, as TRX stated, progress has been made. To that end those re-selling pots shouldn't be KOS'd since they are, without realizing it, helpin the matter in some way.

*Note: The above statements apply only if the said re-sellers are selling to NPC or selling in store for less than or equal to NPC price. If these pots are sold above NPC price then they are being greedy and my veiwpoint changes. However, even if they sell the pots they are not "creating" money. They are redirecting existing money to themselves.

PS: Great idea Himoses. I appreciate your efforts to restore the economy. I wish I could help but... I was offline when all this happened so I'm poor.(in comparison to those who got the exploited kron. I actually have about 17M from honest earnings.)

[AnimePimp66]

bleh kron wipe plz this is getting very lame.....

[deedee479]

Ok that makes me mad cuz I go to pvp and sell my extra pots to lose the wt u get me KOS I will have the same done to u. I buy my pots I sell them same or less for what I got them wanna get me KOS that's just wrong and bs

U wanna get rid of the dirty kron buy the pots and delete them money gone and noone gets wrongly KOS

Yes pvp is for kill but it was almost closed for all the mass KOS to the point ppl could even pvp for fun if u weren't a high lvl with alot of sc pots u couldn't go in YOU by bringing it back may cause a rift in the game once again

Rethink what you are asking


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Also u can't tell who is reselling or not we have been trying to get a shop npc in pvp with pots and what not and some players have taken it on them self to be that shop till we get one. That is why I sell me unused pots there ppl will use them and they aren't wasted and they help the get and npc in pvp cause

[sweet-devil]

bleh kron wipe plz this is getting very lame.....


very ... !!!!

[Espada.4]

Anyone Touchy AL There Going Down >:)

[deedee479]

Q.Q awwwwwwww so sweet

[brimalia]

Also u can't tell who is reselling or not we have been trying to get a shop npc in pvp with pots and what not and some players have taken it on them self to be that shop till we get one. That is why I sell me unused pots there ppl will use them and they aren't wasted and they help the get and npc in pvp cause

I agree on that you cant tell who is just acting as a replacement NPC. I do that once and a while to save people a trip, and it isnt profitable at all. my profits barely cover the price to get in. in fact they usually dont i usually only sell for 1kron above npc price. i just want to help people out. have fun in PVP everyone.:)

[spronekiller]

dang...uber necro

[tower714]

oh come on - who cares - they were given for free. your intent was to help them.
once you gave it away - you really don't have a say as to what other ppl do with it.

btw - do you thnk a few pots is going to help out w/ the "kron" wipe you're talking about?
tiny pot = 200 / piece versus the hundres of millions of krons injected into the system.
things cost about 7 times what they used to be before the hacker did his deed.
what's 200krons now? not even chump change.

[tazsbigtoy]

Guys this thread is 3 months old. And I can understand his frustration. He was trying to a)get rid of excess kron by buying stuff from the npc store and b)help out lower level players by giving them free pots to train with. He literal bought thousands of pots every night and gave them away for several weeks, so he may have helped. I am sure he felt that when he saw people he had given a few hundred free pots vending them in PVP for he felt betrayed.

[himoses]

1 billion in hacked kron pots were purchased and distributed by myself. I recorded the names of 476 people the pots were given to. All participants in the events were requested to use all pots to level and not to resell any pots to NPC or through shop. Particpants received 4-5k of mp and hp tiny pots. These pots were given to lower level players and poor players or players just in general need of pots. I tracked down 27 people that had been observed reselling pots given for free personally and through my spies and they were punished by being slapped and/or KOS’d in pvp (under the names distributed to or on alternates). Most hunters pm’d me for names and the names were distributed. Most refused the rewards of 1 xen per verified kill. I was not able to track down all the misusers of pots but my point has been made. All pots were given and requested to be used to help level and not to be sold. Technically, people were free to do whatever they wanted with the pots once they were in their possession. I was also free to do what I wanted without violating the TOS and blacklisting and I did so. I believe free pot distribution was successful, despite the misusers, and helped many make the transition to the new economy. Those that randomly killed people just because they resold their own pots obviously did not read my post. Those that responded after being KOS’d obviously did not read my post or my many in game shouts. I have been personally threatened and defamed in the game because of my attempts to help the economy. If people still can’t read or did not experience the events related to this, get over it. Remember, this is just a game and PVP exists purely to have fun battling other players in a no-holds-barred situation. I already know and knew that people sell pots in pvp as a convenience to others and you were never on my list (except one and you know who you are).

I want to thank all the players that worked hard to stabilize the economy. Even with the belated kron wipe from the GM’s, it was up to a few players who are experts at manipulating and controlling the economy to stabilize it (like Gohan). I especially thank you for helping to set exchange rates and making ap gears and such obtainable again. The economy is not perfect, but at least it is workable now.

BTW, this is a very old thread. All of this was done before the kron wipe. Talk about something current.

Please have someone close this thread.

[TRXSTA]

Yes, I realize it was a long time ago and whatnot... but you actually hurt or at best, did nothing to help the economy by buying and giving away pots.

For those that were able to buy tiny pots for themselves, the only difference is you bought the pot instead of them. No effect at all.

For those that were only about to buy weak pots, you spent 200 kron for them to heal 50 HP or MP, whatever. Instead of the 100 kron they would've spent to heal 20; in other words, 200 kron to heal 40 HP or MP. You gave them a more cost-effective pot and therefore, hurt your own goal.

For those that sat down to heal and didn't use pots at all, it's been well established that kron intake per re-pot is a lot more than the cost of re-potting itself... so therefore, by giving them pots and allowing them to train more for the same cost of re-pot (none, because they sat anyway), you allowed them to earn more through drops in a shorter period of time.

I understand you had good intentions. But good intentions don't accomplish anything by themselves. You have to apply yourself intelligently.

Thought I'd post that before this gets closed or whatever.

[himoses]

I am well aware of the fact by more people leveling there would be an increase in kron to the system. I am also aware of the fact that I could have distributed the more economic regular pots.

Here are some things that you may not have considered:

1. Consumer confidence was shattered and many people were giving up leveling because they could not afford the gears, were depressed, etc. This encouraged a few people limited in scope as it was.
2. There was an immediate wipe of a majority of ap 6 gears on the market instantly and demand did not decrease enough to compensate. I am sure everyone remembers how a lot of people just gave up leveling hoping Outspark would quickly fix things. Murdock announced that there would be no server rollback which meant zero ap 6 gears would be restored. My thoughts were that the only way to restore things were to restore confidence and get people leveling again. More leveling would lead to restocking in ap 6 gears. Did it have a major impact? No, but it did help a few people. This was more like a hot bowl of soup to keep you from starving kind of project.
3. I wanted to get rid of kron in a way that would help people and fight my own temptation to spend it advantageously for myself. Many did this by buying up Xens, available ap 6 gears, ubooks, bones, etc. They are the ones that came out on top of the new economy.
4. The pots used made my hacked krons go poof in a kron sink or transferred wealth to someone else (grr.).
5. Players that were poor did not have to spend their own money on pots and gave them a chance to conserve enough money to adjust to new economy. Just deleting money and not spending money is not going to fix the economy when hundreds or thousands of people suddenly have billions instead of just a few handfuls.
6. This is far from the only thing that I did to try to help.
7. Giving out free things is not as easy as it sounds. Most people surprisingly still want something that you can use or is of value when you try to give them something free.
8. This gave me something interesting to do and kept me from quitting.

I take offense to your allusion that this was not applied intelligently. If people want to think it didn’t work looking back with hindsight, then so be it. Economics is a very complicated thing and there are many different opinions on how to fix things. If you look at just kron, you are not looking at the whole economic picture. There is a reason why the US dollar says “In God We Trust,” and that is because the current value of the dollar is purely based off of consumer confidence in the ability of the American people to repay its debt (however misguided this may be).. You cannot go to a treasury office and exchange a dollar for gold any more. The reason for this comparison is that the Xen economy is based off of the same precept. There was no inherent value to kron at the time of this problem since you could not trade kron for sparkcash as I have seen so many people do recently. Therefore, it was imperative to remove kron from the system and restore consumer confidence. People tried various things like selling ap 6 gears for prior prices, complaining to Outspark, deleting hacked kron, and other soluations. Since there is no real economic way to measure the impact of what I did, there can be no irrefutable evidence showing it as a failure or a success (which it could have been). I can, however, go by subjective evidence of the people that received assistance in how they have told me it helped them continue playing and level easier.

Blah, blah, blah economic stuff, blah, blah, blah, hurt feelings, blah, blah, blah scapegoating, blah, blah, blah you got me killed in pvp so i will stalk you, etc. Close this stale thread already. Too mad about all the crap I have taken to not respond.

[stingstungme]

Himoses, I for one appreciated what you did. The pots came in handy and I still have quite a bit of them left in storage. I haven't sold any of them but I have given some away to party members who were low on cash on or etc. I've used some for me as well naturally. I thought it was really sweet of you to give away pots during all that madness back then.
So I'm just here to say thanks once again. :D
Thank you and Lucky for the scrolls too! :D

[TRXSTA]

I take offense to your allusion that this was not applied intelligently.

...

Too mad about all the crap I have taken to not respond.
Fair enough. It had little to do with hindsight, but at least the intention was there. Which is more than can be said for a lot of people.

Somebody going to close this thing already?

[poochyenarulez]

i don't get this thread at all
ok, u gave people some pots, if they sell them, so wat?
that money they get from selling them pots are going to be used sooner or later to buy more pots o.O