first impressions of the game?

[lyndenowns]

teenager maplestory with clunky controls

pvp map is way to big people run and it hurts my hand trying to catch them and then the time runs out and its a draw big waste of time. its stupid you have to pvp to get points to quest/advance specially when they give out so little and beggineer button mashing is boring as hell.

whats the point of even having begineers anyways why cant we just start off with the class we want, it was stupid on maplestory and its just as stupid here. 10 levels of pure grind.

it better get fun once you get your job or its uninstalled

[icegoten]

Wow what a downer =/

[lyndenowns]

and the quests are all useless they dont even reward you exp this game is total grindfest it looks like...

[brokenoblim]

lol whats a little grinding dont worry have fun itll all be worth it...i hope haha

[blackhole988]

Hmm.. lets see.. The moment I logged on was pretty hectic and pretty much lags everywhere.. but I adjusted some settings and now it runs smooth.. I like it thus far.. Now, I just want to see the classes.

[nortyfiner]

I have already determined that I will not be playing this game.

I like the 2D graphics that are relatively easy on my computer. I like the same thing about SOS.

I dislike the fact that Outspark doesn't seem to learn anything from the successful games made by other companies.

I dislike the mechanic of starting off as a novice and having to learn basic skills along the way. I would much rather start off as my basic class, especially since most of the classes don't use melee like a novice.

I dislike the fact that there is relatively little direction to help you through the process of learning the game. It took a GM taking pity for me to finally find the herb farm...

The pure melee world of the novice is clearly an advantage for those planning to develop melee characters, especially the fighter types. For others, not so much.

I dislike the fact that quests don't give you any XP advancement for your time, and the rewards aren't exactly exciting. The EverQuest grindfest became obsolete many, many games ago.

I dislike the trade skill mechanics where you are constantly having to buy shovels to gather stuff. Buying one tool for permanent use, like mining picks in Fiesta, would be better.

I dislike the integration of PVP to the point of making it a necessary part of the game. PVP should ALWAYS be optional, NOT required.

I dislike the overly sensitive chat filter that won't even let you say the word "CLASS".

I dislike the fact that Outspark can't seem to make a game with anyone ten years or older in mind. SOS is the best they have done so far in making a game that doesn't make older players feel out of place.

I think that's enough...my point is made...

[khibi]

I thought it was a big improvement from GnG. I noticed the NPCs were moved around. Also, the snow was nice since it's winter season and the portal to Marble Mountain was very convenient. Though it does lag a little, probably due to everyone being online. :D

[lyndenowns]

I have already determined that I will not be playing this game.

I like the 2D graphics that are relatively easy on my computer. I like the same thing about SOS.

I dislike the fact that Outspark doesn't seem to learn anything from the successful games made by other companies.

I dislike the mechanic of starting off as a novice and having to learn basic skills along the way. I would much rather start off as my basic class, especially since most of the classes don't use melee like a novice.

I dislike the fact that there is relatively little direction to help you through the process of learning the game. It took a GM taking pity for me to finally find the herb farm...

The pure melee world of the novice is clearly an advantage for those planning to develop melee characters, especially the fighter types. For others, not so much.

I dislike the fact that quests don't give you any XP advancement for your time, and the rewards aren't exactly exciting. The EverQuest grindfest became obsolete many, many games ago.

I dislike the trade skill mechanics where you are constantly having to buy shovels to gather stuff. Buying one tool for permanent use, like mining picks in Fiesta, would be better.

I dislike the integration of PVP to the point of making it a necessary part of the game. PVP should ALWAYS be optional, NOT required.

I dislike the overly sensitive chat filter that won't even let you say the word "CLASS".

I dislike the fact that Outspark can't seem to make a game with anyone ten years or older in mind. SOS is the best they have done so far in making a game that doesn't make older players feel out of place.

I think that's enough...my point is made...

thats like everything i said i agree

[nate_]

teenager maplestory with clunky controls

pvp map is way to big people run and it hurts my hand trying to catch them and then the time runs out and its a draw big waste of time. its stupid you have to pvp to get points to quest/advance specially when they give out so little and beggineer button mashing is boring as hell.

whats the point of even having begineers anyways why cant we just start off with the class we want, it was stupid on maplestory and its just as stupid here. 10 levels of pure grind.

it better get fun once you get your job or its uninstalled

i agree with with the parts in bold and what is the point of beginner

[alpha_x]

I like game and since am Rogue now its more fun to me cuz i can kill faster woot woot.

[vendon]

You, are the reason that MMO games fail son.

[fygar]

Ok, all I'm seeing here is. "QQ" Either stop crying and deal with it or get out. If you don't enjoy pvp then maybe this isn't the game for you. Sure some things may seem a little absurd, but that's all the reason to give the game more chances.

[Ryokosha]

Um, the novice part of the game is only like 10 hours long, how can you complain about that? It's there to get you introduced into the game. It explains all the controls, it explains, mining and farming, it explains pvp and forging. It explains how victy works. Everything. After you got all the explanation quests done you are most likely level 9 already, then just a little bit more grind (not more than an hour) and you can already job change. So beginner HAS a point.

Also, how can you think the game is complicated to learn? The game explains everything through the quests. You can't find the herb farm? The game offers to access the map of the whole world at any time with all mining and farming places marked.

The only thing I agree with is that the game is too grindy because of slow paced battles and low recovery rate and that the quests don't give any useful exp.

[lyndenowns]

ok ive hit lvl 11 and am a monk now i have to add

why is the quest to become your job so long and hard who wants to whack at higher lvl monsters doing 7 dmg each hit killing them in like 10+ hits then repeat it 20 times then go to a harder monster and wait for 5 more things to drop

why dont monsters drop money or every quest reward money i cant afford skills and gear for my guy

ill admit the pvp was kinda fun but there is to much grind i dont think ill be playing this after beta im not willing to grind again

[lyndenowns]

another thing besides the quests sucking we can only have 3 at a time thats the lamest thing ever

[Madcharo]

I absolutely loved this game. I like how it starts off as a Novice giving you a chance to decide on what you wanna become. The Novice part of the game only took me about 3 hours to get through, including a bunch of PvP.

Speaking of PvP, this is the most fun I've ever had in PvP in any game EVER! I like the large maps so that you can actually get out of a huge mob of people and I like the team deathmatch format.

I enjoy having to earn my money. I find it hard to get it but that only means it makes you feel more accomplished when you do get it.

The only thing I don't like is the fact that you can only have 3 quests at one given time while every level you get about 4-5 quests.

Personally, I like the challenge of this game while still being relatively easy to play. :D

Good job OutSpark. You found another good one! ;)

[lyndenowns]

i think its better to wait for a private server with high rates, its to slow and grindy normaly

[shezarock]

I agree.

99% Maplestory
Choppy movements
You get bashed to hell, one hit by a monster and you can't escape
Huge lag
Bad resolution
You don't even start with a weapon

[lyndenowns]

oh ya that is another annoying thing u get no brief invincible period u just take constant dmg imagine that later on on big monsters u would die like instantly

[Commrade23]

I realy hope that Outspark is one that changes theyre games when players ask....

Because these pot prices are freaking expensive, and makes grinding, which already takes hours to do, its making it a suicide run.

[lyndenowns]

game sucks just quit it and play darkfall jan 22 or wait for aion

[shezarock]

game sucks just quit it and play darkfall jan 22 or wait for aion
Darkfall is not even close to Wind Slayer, it's like Runescape 3D.

I suggest you guys try Maplestory, which is exactly the same but with no lag and more fun, until they get this lag sorted out. There's literally no difference between them at all.

[Ryokosha]

Well if they fix the following things:
1. Increase Exp rate by at least 3x.
2. Increase Recovery rate by at least 10x (one tick right now is 15 seconds, reduce it to 1.5 seconds and it's playable!)
I'd play this game again. Otherwise I'm out as well. :-)

Other good idea:
3. Increase limit of quests at the same time to at least 5.

[BloodLimit]

Well if they fix the following things:
1. Increase Exp rate by at least 3x.
2. Increase Recovery rate by at least 10x (one tick right now is 15 seconds, reduce it to 1.5 seconds and it's playable!)
I'd play this game again. Otherwise I'm out as well. :-)

Other good idea:
3. Increase limit of quests at the same time to at least 5.

I'm sure they will.

[Ryokosha]

I'm not so sure about it. :-(
But I really hope they do... this game already starts to lose most of its players and it's only CBT. XD

[Sintei]

Wow, i stumbled on a nice Pity Party. i personally think this game is fun. Sure it has a few Downsides but that is exactly what Closed Beta is for. and Outspark did not make this game Avocado did and Outspark is gonna be Running it for them. I personally think they can do a lot of Good for this game.. It already looks a HELL of a lot better than the old GnG version. So please Let the GM's know what is wrong with the game so they can Fix it but do not just Biatch about it for the sake of just Biatching.

[stinkyhut]

It's "Closed Beta".

Tell Outspark what you don't like so they can fix it....

Geez... Who quits a game during CBT?

[imjesse]

I played the Original Windslayer, and unless you did as well you can't say you know what a grind is, 90% of the original windslayer players NEVER made it to 2nd job, and everyone that did quit soon after, but now the exp has been about doubled, and the fun is much greater, I only got to level 17 on OWS(original windslayer) and im already level 19 on this one, after only 1 DAY of playing, the game has been greatly improved and im very greatful for outspark for taking on WS, because I liked it then, and now I LOVE IT.

Also the quests do give exp, it just doesn't tell you in your quest window, but you'll see you gained exp when you actually complete the quest.

And if they increase the exp x3 what it is now, im sure alot of people would quit, because that's basicaly making the game as easy as Maplestory, seriously if I wanted to complete half the game in a single day i'd go play MS.

And one more thing, I have seen alot of people complaining about getting spam attacked by monsters, and your SUPPOSED TO, incase you didn't notice your doing around 5x-10x damage the monsters are doing so if you couldn't be attacked like that, you would never die, and for the people that complain about dying all the time, either your not using potions like you should, or your not playing the game right, because I've yet to use a potion when fighting,even when fighting the first 3 boss' (Rynx, Monkey King, and the Atomic Punch Ball) I didn't need to use a potion, and when training I just go stand at a safe area while I heal, and go use the bathroom or go outside for 15 minutes, you should try it, it saves mountains of money.

Oh wait one more, THE GAME ISN'T LAGGING YOU ARE, i'm so friggin sick of hearing "omg lag" and when in PvP "omg noob you killed me when lag!" If my computer that was purchased in 2002 (and was junk at that time) can run WS with Absolutly no lag, at all, and your lagging, then you should either buy a new computer, delete the junk that's on it, or go do something else and stop annoying us.

(sorry for the long and angry post but I'm getting sick of people clouding this great game with their complaints, tell the GMs about your problem and maybe they'll consider it, but don't complain to the players, we can't do anything)

[Ryokosha]

Can someone comfirm that the exp is doubled from the original? That'd be really cool. But maybe it's only for CBT...


And if they increase the exp x3 what it is now, im sure alot of people would quit, because that's basicaly making the game as easy as Maplestory, seriously if I wanted to complete half the game in a single day i'd go play MS.
I'm never seen any human before talking about Maple Story and easy at the same time. MS has like one of the WORST grinding in any MMORPG ever made (except Wind Slayer maybe which was even harder). I played Maple Story for half a year frequently and was only level 41... I remember Fire Boars were the best exp mobs and I needed 500000 exp and Fire Boars gave 60exp...

[imjesse]

Can someone comfirm that the exp is doubled from the original? That'd be really cool. But maybe it's only for CBT...



I'm never seen any human before talking about Maple Story and easy at the same time. MS has like one of the WORST grinding in any MMORPG ever made (except Wind Slayer maybe which was even harder). I played Maple Story for half a year frequently and was only level 41... I remember Fire Boars were the best exp mobs and I needed 500000 exp and Fire Boars gave 60exp...

The exp isn't doubled exactly, but i'm sure it's permanent, because on the old WS forums almost every post was a complaint about exp, also alot of people complained about fighting bloody poo for the novice term, which lasted 2 days atleast.

Also I'm not sure why you think MS is hard, you can easily get level 70 in a week because of Monster Carnival and Maze PQ these days, but yeah It did take me 3 years to get a 3rd job, but that was before that stuff, after wards I got a 4th job in a month, things have changed, for the worst.

[Ryokosha]

Can someone give me a number? Like how much exp does the first Pupu mob give on level 1 (used to be 5 exp)? How much does a normal monkey mob give on level 10 (used to be >50 exp I think, will cross check later)?

[Sintei]

no pupu's here mate lol

[Celtic_Princess]

Can someone give me a number? Like how much exp does the first Pupu mob give on level 1 (used to be 5 exp)? How much does a normal monkey mob give on level 10 (used to be >50 exp I think, will cross check later)?

At lvl 9/10 the first monkey I killed gave me 94-92 exp.

On first impression its probably a game I would recommend more for my 10 year old cousin, its easy to play, easy to control, and the chat filter is insanely strict. Its not a bad game overall, just not really my style of MMO.


At the OP: This is what the 3rd hate thread you've made on the game? If you dislike it that much leave...and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Ryokosha]

Hm really looks like they increased the exp a bit. I'm pretty sure they gave less than 90 exp before.

[manic33]

First impression was "wiiiiiiii this is fun!" xD

I have never played Maple before, but stop comparing this game to it...just go play Maple if you were liking it. =P

I see people complaining about the first 10 lvls as a novice. I'm a Priest so of course I had more INT then anything. I had no problems with getting to 10. Just make sure you buy the best novice weapons you can.

Quests DO give exp. They don't say it in the rewards though.

Of course you have to grind peoples! It's an MMO! If you don't like grinding find an MMO that has tons of quests and little exp for mobs. I personally love grinding games a lot more then quest ones.

I agree the hp/mp recovery is pretty low. I keep getting the next lvl mp recovery skill and it's not near as bad.

The lag is obviously something with the computers. I haven't had any problems. Just weird server stuff at times. That's normal for CB of a game (testing how the servers take all the people is a big part of CB).

I'm really enjoying this game, if you are hating it come back in OB and see what they change. It's CB so people can tell them bugs and things they would like changed, not to hear a ton of people COMPLAINING and comparing it to other games...

[frisy4]

Im sure the grinding isnt that hard and if you dont like grinding go join another game thats quest based ive done a fair share of grinding and im not crying it just takes a person with patience.

[deaththe14th]

My thoughts?
Well, let's see what I've played before, first...

World of Warcraft/Burning Crusade/Wrath of the Lich King.
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning
Guild Wars: Factions
Flyff
And... Runescape.

The very noticable thing about this game that I like over all of those?
The attacking system.

None of this "target -> select spell to use" crap, just all spells used at the right time, using good timing and direction, and even jump-attacks etc. to kill a player.

It felt good to be able to run from a player, jump OVER a fireball, and kick them in the face.

You simply don't get that much these days. Maybe when Darkfall or something comes out with FPS controls, but until then, well, MMOs are generally lacking in the skill-fighting system.



Now, let's see where I disagree with stuff...

Level 1-10 - up to 5 is simple and good, just telling you to kill something for the reward of basic skills, they tell you how to do stuff, how to collect items from monsters, how to attack etc.

Then at level 5... well, I ended up just doing all of the "interested in classes" quests, where "class" is replaced by a class name... That got me to about 6, where I got some more quests... it was pretty easy, although the first time through I was going "where is Leon???", but the player base is generally kind.

As opposed to the highly cynical and hateful players of World of Warcraft.

Anyway - from 8-10 is kinda... bad. Basic grindy crap.
And then the level 10 "join a class" quests... UUUUuuuuggghhhh... pointless grinding against hard-ish mobs. ESPECIALLY the monk one, where you have to fight monkey soldiers (and, I later found out, monkey seargents) for their horns and... lives.



You know what I'd like to see?
Well then... hmmm...

-Some nice, rediculous leveling quests from 7-10.
The one for block/evade to give more experience, for example, there.

-A lesser grind for the classes - perhaps having to do all of their little grind quests INSTEAD of the one, stupidly huge grind quest.
I didn't mind killing ten flying peaches, and another ten Dumpling Pigs... it was good for leveling! But then ANOTHER FORTY FLYING PEACHES!
I was all like =O
And then =|
And then I killed peaches for about an hour. But it was a stupid hour.

And then I stopped liking being a priest.

I think, perhaps, when we go in to say "hey, I'm interested in becoming such-and-such class!" we should actually SEE someone DO something.
Maybe go into a temporary room where we are temporarily that class, and can use those first few abilities on both a friendly dummy, and an enemy dummy, you know, to see if we're going to like doing that in a combat situation or not.

Because after a few pvp rounds, I found being a priest quite boring.
MOVING ON!

-Get rid of that god damned stupid chat filter, or make it optional. Dear christ, PLEASE!
Class. A simple word, filters to Cl***. ***.
"I can use this" filters to "I c** **e this". Anus.

Those are very simple, hardly offensive words that are used on PG and G rated shows. Anus isn't even a swear word, it's just something you wouldn't want your five year old going around yelling all day.

Apart from doing what I've suggested, perhaps they could, I dunno, make the filter viable for use?


-I haven't been at a higher level yet, but I'd like to see some instanced boss fights with things much like in WoW, but hey, it's cool if it doesn't happen. This IS a different game.

-PvP arenas lag needs to be fixed, it gives like, a 0.5 second delay to everything that I press. Really messes with one's head.

--FOR THE TL;DR--

+I like it's combat mechanics.
+I like the enjoyable and skillful pvp.
+I like the nice visuals.

-I don't like the chat filter.
-I don't like some randomly large grinds for certain quests.
-I don't like the low resolution (heard of vector graphics? solves all these problems with horrid resolution, and wouldn't even run that bad on the people who are complaining's computers)

[sighingwind]

Those are quite good points. I typed "Hello" and it got censored! XD If the chat filter must remain that way, at least give words like "Hello" exceptions.

I experienced the same thing with the priest class. I killed peaches for a heck of a long time, as well as stuck myself in PVP for what felt like hours, and then was oh-so-excited to become a priest at last. Then I found out that I didn't like priest class at all. It's somewhat my fault, yes, but I was just a little disappointed with the whole affair.

What I think really should be fixed is the number of Victy points given out. It's a terribly tiny amount, and it becomes rather annoying after a while of going on and on and on fighting in PVP for 3 or 4 points a round.

That's my main problem with the game. Otherwise I like it quite well. ^^