So Tired

[Stefanie]

Im Sick of Watching ppl allways talking bad about archers saying that we are the worst class and suck.

Well What Sucks about Being able to do allmost as much damage as a mage and allso being able to take a hit while doing so?

So Am i the only one tired of it?

[Kholai]

Because....

1: You don't do as much damage as a mage, and it's not like you outrange them.
2: Your HP, though better than a mages, is still terrible, and if you did more damage, you wouldn't get hurt as much.
3: Even the mage has the ability to remove curses from other people and restore their own SP and drain others'. What can archers do that mages can't?
4: Your only debuffs are damage over time effects.
5: Your Nature's Protection ability hurts others in the party.
6: Dexterity is not a God stat like in every other game. Aim is easy to achieve, and evasion becomes more and more unreliable.
7: Spirit and strength are your only useful alternatives. Strength is poor, and Spirit is drastically less useful after +25.
8: You're all pretty high on yourselves too, saying how people don't like archers just because they don't know how to use them, or saying that archers are the best class. It's reassuring you've got such community, but it's frankly a little tedious when you start bashing other classes and players to boost your ego.
9: You have no role in a party. It's better at the moment to have two mages than one mage one archer.
10: It's usually the archer who's the one trying to kite monsters and drags them onto others. The archer who attracts unwanted monsters in kingdom quests I've done, and the archer who gets the group in the most trouble. There are archers who do their job well, but because their job isn't as noticable/unique as the other classes, it's the times that archers mess up spectacularly that people notice. It's kind of like the cleric actually.

Sorry, but it's true. You are the worst class. I apologise that the makers of Fiesta have done you a disservice, it's not your fault, and congratulations on your dedication to sticking to your class.

[Stefanie]

All just your opinion :)
And for the most part Archers do have further range 13.5meters to mages 12 meters
wellll cept mage's icebolt that is 13.5 too so i guess ur right bout that fact :S
And yea Archers Are a bit harder to play then a Fighter or Cleric but that just makes it alot more fun.

[Forbin]

9: You have no role in a party. It's better at the moment to have two mages than one mage one archer.
The fix for this is to make mob AI a lot smarter. At the moment it's way too easy to pull 1-2 mobs out of a group regardless of class. Aggro needs to "chain" a little bit, so that archers are actually needed for pulling. (Nature's Protection)

[Kholai]

All just your opinion :)

Really? Let's review shall we?

1: Objectively speaking, yes, mages do outdamage you, you even admitted that, remember?
2: No, this too is objectively true, I spend an awful lot of time checking peoples' HP, and I spend an awful lot of time with a mage. You get hit more than mages do, mages do more damage. This is not a coincidence. If you do more damage, you will get hit less.
3: Objectively true. Archers cannot remove debuffs, they cannot convert HP to SP. All archers can do that mages can't is cause poison and bleed damage.
4: How is this possibly an opinion? Archers do not get any useful debuffs unless they finally get entangle in fifty levels time.
5: Nature's protection obviously hurts the rest of your party. They're getting attacked instead of you. Good if it's a fighter, bad if it's a mage.
6: Mathematically proven - Dexterity is one of the least useful stats.
7: Unless you believe intelligence to be a viable stat for archers, do explain how this is an opinion when the benefits to the stats are freely viewable by anyone?
8: You got me, this might be opinion. Other people might find your talking about how awesome your class is to be charming and witty. Some might say the same about me, so what does that tell you?
9: You got me on range, you have a maybe a 1.5m advantage over a mage, which is worthless for most partying. Two mages still do better damage and are just as good at luring as an archer. End result? Yes. Two mages better than one archer, one mage.
10: You're right here, this is personal experience.


Ignoring reality does not disprove it.

[Stefanie]

Im sorry but your not going to convince me that my class sucks :)

[Kholai]

I applaud your ability to reject reality and substitute it with your own. I wish you well on continuing with your class.

[Stefanie]

Archers are the fastest attacking class
add high dex plus high spr and an xbow the amount of crits you will get is amazing and can often out damage mages.
From my own experience

[Kholai]

So you're countering the known failings of your class with your own opinion? Do bear in mind that mages critical hit as well, and that dexterity, even if it does influence attack speed minutely, does not influence damage or cooldowns.

[Stefanie]

High dex = very few misses

[Chriszed]

To me I found that archers are more useful in a party than a mage or fighter.(not so much a fighter) The best party is a cleric and archer. I was partying in burning hills the other day. It was me(archer), a mage, a cleric, and a fighter. The mage must of died 4 times, warrior 2, cleric none, me none. Now eventually the mage just slowed us down so we kicked him. We were training on glow wolves(orange guys for me) about 10 were coming after us. So the fighter died and just me and the cleric. Now I'm not saying anything bad but I was taking more hits and doing more damage than the mage or fighter. Why? DODGE and CRITS.

Though archers do have it pretty bad.

[Roxias]

So you're countering the known failings of your class with your own opinion? Do bear in mind that mages critical hit as well, and that dexterity, even if it does influence attack speed minutely, does not influence damage or cooldowns.
Dexterity does not affect attack speed, not even minutely.

[Stefanie]

I never said it did lol

[Roxias]

I never said it did lol
I never said you did.

[Stefanie]

I guess he thought i did?

[Kholai]

It occurs to me that I may be coming across as an Archer hater, so to clarify, I do believe archers can be played well to compensate for the flaws of the class just as any other class can be played badly. There's nothing stopping a well played archer being good in a party (good teamwork can offset anything), and an archer should be able to accomplish similar things to other characters as well. But as to whether archers are the worst class.... Well, it's not the biggest of divides, but they are, I'm sorry about that.

Chriszed: Interesting. Let me know how you fare at higher levels with the dodging. Word is that it becomes less useful, but I this is proved wrong.

Roxias: Ah good. I rather thought that it didn't, but still, the rumour was flying round. This is rather sad for archers, since dexterity doesn't contribute to their damage at all.

[Stefanie]

And im saying a Good archer can be just as usefull as anyother class in a party cept maybe a cleric lol

[Kholai]

And im saying a Good archer can be just as usefull as anyother class in a party cept maybe a cleric lol

Then we're have no argument! I would love to see more good archers. In fact, I hope if the archer class is brought up to the same level as the other classes that all the good archers now will become even more useful based on their talent, and not have to keep compensating for the problems they have to deal with.

[Stefanie]

Only change to the Archer class i would like to see is Longer range.

[Roxias]

Only change to the Archer class i would like to see is Longer range.
So you do not believe they should have some type of snare or cripple? You do not believe they could have done better with the useless Multi-Shot skill? You TRULY believe you can keep up with a mage in damage? (assuming all of your poison skills actually trigger)

You TRULY believe archers are on equal levels with all of the other classes?

[Stefanie]

Depends on the players

[Stefanie]

I know it might be hard for you to believe but i actually like the way archers are now :)

[Roxias]

I know it might be hard for you to believe but i actually like the way archers are now :)
This is true. I too enjoy playing an archer. Whether I enjoy playing one or not, they are still not quite on par with the other classes.

[tonyyvo]

kholai, u got me pretty convinced to be a mage over an archer....

[Chriszed]

Archers had it really bad in CB.(i was in it) And i did write a guide on how to play an Archer. But still Archers need a little boast to keep them with the other classes.

[soysauce2rice]

Because....

1: You don't do as much damage as a mage, and it's not like you outrange them.
2: Your HP, though better than a mages, is still terrible, and if you did more damage, you wouldn't get hurt as much.
3: Even the mage has the ability to remove curses from other people and restore their own SP and drain others'. What can archers do that mages can't?
4: Your only debuffs are damage over time effects.
5: Your Nature's Protection ability hurts others in the party.
6: Dexterity is not a God stat like in every other game. Aim is easy to achieve, and evasion becomes more and more unreliable.
7: Spirit and strength are your only useful alternatives. Strength is poor, and Spirit is drastically less useful after +25.
8: You're all pretty high on yourselves too, saying how people don't like archers just because they don't know how to use them, or saying that archers are the best class. It's reassuring you've got such community, but it's frankly a little tedious when you start bashing other classes and players to boost your ego.
9: You have no role in a party. It's better at the moment to have two mages than one mage one archer.
10: It's usually the archer who's the one trying to kite monsters and drags them onto others. The archer who attracts unwanted monsters in kingdom quests I've done, and the archer who gets the group in the most trouble. There are archers who do their job well, but because their job isn't as noticable/unique as the other classes, it's the times that archers mess up spectacularly that people notice. It's kind of like the cleric actually.

Sorry, but it's true. You are the worst class. I apologise that the makers of Fiesta have done you a disservice, it's not your fault, and congratulations on your dedication to sticking to your class.

That summarizes A LOT. They can make it that the free stat points give more than they do now (i.e. .2% crit per SPR), or they can give 5 per lvl, then at lvl 20 6 points.. But that's my opinion.
But anyway it's true.. I don't think archers "suck" but i only know that their best skills are DoT skills. Dex makes you miss less but use an Aim scroll, not the same but you miss less. They should make the archer better however, or make the stat points better such as considering Dex ranged damage increase also, or more damage for strength. Since this is an archer forum, i won't list a few cons for the mage. :P

[PufftheMagicDragon]

They are the funnest to me but the worst to play with

[Atsuru]

A PM from Stefanie to me when she tried slandering my character and points in the stickied thread. Just gotten off of an 11 hour shift so I might be posting in a grumpy mood but people like her just don't have to go and make it worse. "So Tired" ? Quite frankly, I'm tired of you imposing your loosely based opinions on everyone else. Go get some evidence for your claims and come back here and then we'll talk.


Sorry but when i see somebody say something on the forums that makes no sence to me i tend to react with my opinion and if you dont like it you can go on bein a jerk.

I'm not going to be childish and say something like "You started it" but...

I am merely pointing out facts about the class that it seems even everyone else agrees on with me. You have provided zero back up for any of your claims against mine and are loosely attacking my points with claims like "well I can do it and if you can't do it then you just aren't good enough to play the class."

Now listen here, I'm getting really fed up with you throwing around since you're high level and are nearing end game material. The fact is that you are making assumptions about newer players who probably hold ALOT more experience under their belt than you do. Quite frankly, I've been playing various mmo's for nearly 7 years now (started when I was 15 and I'm now 21). For me, testing out the ACTUAL usefulness of a build is nearly as enjoyable as creating the character itself; thus, I have spent HOURS logically, mathematically and physically proving which build is more effective than others. You can say this is a sad waste of life, but it is not relevant to what I am saying here. I'm telling you, DO NOT LOOK DOWN ON PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU "THINK" YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED, ELITE PLAYER.

PS: if you've never used Lagrangian Optimization to test for effective builds you shouldn't even consider talking down on me.

PSS: for all the irritation you've caused me as of late, and the completely unjustified attacking of my character on public forum, I've decided to post your PM and my response in your thread. Good Day.

edit: if you're looking for where this started just go to the first two pages of the sticked post in the archer section.

[Stefanie]

You are the one who stated that archers do less damage than tanks and i was simply stating my opninion on that.
I never said anywhere i was pro or watever you called it and i never directly attacked you so i really dont see what your freaking out about.

[Stefanie]

And when the **** did i throw around since im a high lvl im right?? disd you ever see me say anything like that anywhere?
You are simply flipping out over two posts i made

[Atsuru]

You're right... except for the fact that its two posts and a PM and like I said I'm really in no mood to put up with your ****. You want to slide in snide not-so-discrete comments I will tear you apart.

Here is you directly attacking me right off the bat:

~You did less damage than tanks??? rotfl
Sorry but thats just funny Considering how many times ive pulled the mobs off the tank with my archer O.o

~If your an archer and cant outdamage a tank you need to switch classes
and im sorry if im soundin mean but your makin us look bad lol

Here is you implicitly stating that you are pro and your opinions matter more than everyone else:

~Sorry but thats just funny Considering how many times ive pulled the mobs off the tank with my archer O.o

And Archers do start off alil hard to solo but at lvl 30 it seems to get alot easier Imo

~your makin us look bad lol

~/and the very fact that you post your lvl right next to your character names in your sig gives it away/.

And this entire topic + every other single post you've made is you forcing your undefended opinions down everyones throats.

[Stefanie]

Just my opinions im not forcing them on anybody

[Stefanie]

So you gonna follow me around the forums and harras me everychance you get because of a few posts i made?

[Stefanie]

And the post where i said ive pulled mobs of the tank i agree does sound a little bad but i will change it to add ive seen many archers pull the mobs away from tanks too. which i have.

[Atsuru]

I didn't really follow you here, but I know you made this thread in response to what was said at you in the other thread. Well no matter, I'm done. You look retarded enough with a bunch of half-assed arguments that anyone can see right through. Bottom line you chose a class that has obvious deficiencies and you see some need to defend all the "hard work" that you put into making it work out. No one is saying that you aren't good at what you do, but we are saying that the archer is a crippled class and much work is needed to do what a lesser person could do equivalently with any other class. This is the truth, the fact that a GM is willingly looking for suggestions to improve the class on a whole proves that it is lacking.

This is my last post on this and the subject because if you really get me started I really don't care if I get banned from the forums for excessive flaming. Further argument is pointless since its become very clear to me that you aren't used to having the people that you offend fight back and call you on your treatment towards others.

[Stefanie]

My treatment towards others?
Think of me what you wish and do me the favor of leaving me alone.

[Duel_blade]

heres what i think mages do more damage yes but have less debuffs
where as archers do less but with more debuffs

so mage in pary is doing 150 and xbow archers doing 100
archer adds (poison+23 dmg)+(bleed+24 dmg)+(venom+31 dmg)
equls ? 100+23+24+31=177 per sec roughly plus 1.4 secs on xbow

keep in this all lv 40

[Nixkie]

I know the archer is the only one im good at being she a lv 26 & one day I was running through Luminious stone to train & some said that archers dont have hit (put n S in front of hit XD) it always seems to be the mages who do it I havent had a celric bad mouth me ....yet that is.

[Ucanius]

I couldn't help it to say a little something over the under rated archer and the all high and mighty DPS mage class.

Mages - awesome burst damage, you can drop a mob before it even reaches you, Im not wrong so far am I? Question i would like to ask all ya people out there..DO you think a mage can outlast an archer when face with a big horrible monster? One u cannt kill even if you use your entire arsenal of spells.
Mages can do very well in a party with their burst dmg but soloing wise?

Archers - 2nd higher DPS among the other class, correct? They can't kill a mob fast enough before the mob reaches him. But they can definitely survive a couple more hits than a mage. Im not wrong so far am I? 20 seconds for fury impact to take full effect and 12 seconds for bone shot to take full effect. That is the time needed for a archer to down his target, given his Evasion proc often enough. And im only listing 2 out of 4 DoT spells an archer have. Being an archer is not about burst dmg, being an archer is about being able to outlast your opponents in a fight. Maybe that explains why archers have a natural high DEX?

I am not someone to judge the diffence in each classes. This heated debate will sadly have no ending. In my opinion, each classes have their own unqiue way of doing DPS. This is not about how fast u can kill a mob, this is about do the job get done in the end get it peeps?

GM Drakkon asked for some suggestions in each class's thread. Did you guys post anything about your class yet since you all seem to have so much to say.

10 plus years of beta testing all those current MMOs in the industry you have seen today. Im turning 25 this year. Fiesta? Its just another MMO built on others' concept.

Now back to poor Stefanie, read my archer's guide and feedback on that class, maybe that will cheer you up abit.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15095


Cheers :D

[Xeionite]

I'd prefer archers being the least played class, that was the main reason of why I chose it.

Let's see what changes happen after beta.

[Roxias]

I couldn't help it to say a little something over the under rated archer and the all high and mighty DPS mage class.

Mages - awesome burst damage, you can drop a mob before it even reaches you, Im not wrong so far am I? Question i would like to ask all ya people out there..DO you think a mage can outlast an archer when face with a big horrible monster? One u cannt kill even if you use your entire arsenal of spells.
Mages can do very well in a party with their burst dmg but soloing wise?

Archers - 2nd higher DPS among the other class, correct? They can't kill a mob fast enough before the mob reaches him. But they can definitely survive a couple more hits than a mage. Im not wrong so far am I? 20 seconds for fury impact to take full effect and 12 seconds for bone shot to take full effect. That is the time needed for a archer to down his target, given his Evasion proc often enough. And im only listing 2 out of 4 DoT spells an archer have. Being an archer is not about burst dmg, being an archer is about being able to outlast your opponents in a fight. Maybe that explains why archers have a natural high DEX?

I am not someone to judge the diffence in each classes. This heated debate will sadly have no ending. In my opinion, each classes have their own unqiue way of doing DPS. This is not about how fast u can kill a mob, this is about do the job get done in the end get it peeps?

GM Drakkon asked for some suggestions in each class's thread. Did you guys post anything about your class yet since you all seem to have so much to say.

10 plus years of beta testing all those current MMOs in the industry you have seen today. Im turning 25 this year. Fiesta? Its just another MMO built on others' concept.

Now back to poor Stefanie, read my archer's guide and feedback on that class, maybe that will cheer you up abit.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15095


Cheers :D
Dakkon's created his thread for suggestions, not debates. Also if you had played the game long enough, you would know that in order to reach a high level, AOE is the way to go.

Two mages in a party own in CP due to magic burst. Archers do not have a good type of aoe attack except for their level 51 poison skill...but who wants to wait until level 51?

Also, if you look at the list of attainable skills from the masters in elderine, you are more than welcome to look at the sad short list of archer skills that are available and compare them to the numbers of skills the other classes can attain.

Yes, archers have poison skills. No, they do not trigger all the time.

[Ucanius]

Sadly, yes i have to agree with you that archers in Festa are not meant to do aoe grinding..but since when do any other MMOs' archer class so far, in the market? What could be the reason behind it?

You don't see them(archers) getting outclassed do you? What you are doing mate, is looking at short term benefits. Set your sight on the long term capabilities of all classes. Collapse Prison(CP) is only mid game. level 59 is not endgame material yet for Fiesta.

Let me tell you something about Fiesta's archer class and WoW's warlock class :
They both use DoTs spells. Weak in early game, insane DPS in late game. Both classes work on the same dynamics and principles. And when Blizzard 1st introduce the Warlocks, surprising they get the same feedback like Archers get in Fiesta. And surprising enough, user interface of Fiesta is the exact replicate of Bliz's. Food for thought.

You don't see them(archers) getting outclassed do you? What you are doing mate, is looking at short term benefits. Set your sight on the long term capabilities of all classes. Collapse Prison(CP) is only mid game. level 59 is not endgame material yet for Fiesta.

We are all here as beta players and testers. I simply just hope that all players of each classes would realise the potential of their counterparts in the game.

Cheers and Regards

[Atsuru]

No one is doubting the possibility in the long run that archers will run toe to toe with all the other classes. We are just ensuring now that GMs, developers or people of influence are aware of the obvious flaws in the class (at the moment) so they can better plan out the next 50 or 100 lvls.

FYI, there are loads of other games where archers do wicked aoe dmg. Acclaims 2moons or its korean counterpart dekaron comes to mind immediately. Other games where archers have ridiculous instant dmg (possibly even more so than mages but not over time): Lineage 2, Ragnarok Online, etc. And while it is a nice change to have archers being the DoT role for once it is not exactly (and again this is only at the moment) like there aren't many flaws with the whole DoT philosophy for archers. ie) Our run speed is only average so we can't land a few DoT's and wait the effects out. We have no traps to ensnare movement while DoT'ing. Really our DoT's are somewhat useful in parties, but not very useful solo at all (let's face it, if you're taking 10 seconds to wait for a DoT to run its full course you're already using several hp potions). Even warlocks in WoW, I believe, had some sort of immobility spell where they could do something like Sleep, DoT, run, Sleep... etc

Now you may say that keeping an archer as a party oriented class is fine, but with only three other classes in this game its not a very viable path to take. I would understand if it were like WoW, or Lineage where there were SEVERAL paths to take, but this game focuses on simplicity so its not really in character.

[flowerzan]

I still think Archers skills should depend on dex like all other games. It sucks that we need dex and yet we also need str and spr.

[awhore]

In my opinion archers should have a debuff skill that reduce the travel speed of the target for a small duration. Something that gives you more time to hit the target before it reachs you.

[Tsujin]

In my opinion archers should have a debuff skill that reduce the travel speed of the target for a small duration. Something that gives you more time to hit the target before it reachs you.
They do....at level 40 I believe. I think they should get it earlier.

[Roxias]

They do....at level 40 I believe. I think they should get it earlier.
No, they don't.

[CrimsonWings]

hmm i dunno but with our low cooldown times on our skills we can do more damage then any same level mage. it was me and another archer friend and we were completely murdering yellow named mobs in like 2 seconds (not exaggerating). built right we cant do way more damage over all then mages. mages do more damage at once but we do that damage in the time it takes them to cast and cool down. i have pried many a mob off of tanks in KQs, even mara and marlone...

[elgintidus15]

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL THE CLASSES ARE TRUELY UNBLANCED, IF YOU DONTL IKE IT COMPLAIN! AFTER ALL ISNT THIS A OPEN BETA? THATS WHAT IT IS FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARG!!!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE SOOOOOOOO ANNOYING!!!! THEY WILL INCREASE THE LEVEL CAP, BALANCE OUT THE STATS, AND FIX THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CLASSES SO THEY ARE ON PAR WITH EACH OTHER! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD! THIS IS A BETA! ONCE THE GAME COMES OUT IT WILL BE MUCH BETTER! IF NOT THEN OUTSPARK THE NEXT K2 NETWORK!!!!!!!!! GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH! IM SO ANNOYED!!!!!!!!!!!!! *RANT RANT RANT RANT FLAME FLAME FLAME FLAME CURSE CURSE CURSE CURSE SPIT SPIT SPIT SPIT* ::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Roxias]

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL THE CLASSES ARE TRUELY UNBLANCED, IF YOU DONTL IKE IT COMPLAIN! AFTER ALL ISNT THIS A OPEN BETA? THATS WHAT IT IS FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARG!!!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE SOOOOOOOO ANNOYING!!!! THEY WILL INCREASE THE LEVEL CAP, BALANCE OUT THE STATS, AND FIX THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CLASSES SO THEY ARE ON PAR WITH EACH OTHER! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD! THIS IS A BETA! ONCE THE GAME COMES OUT IT WILL BE MUCH BETTER! IF NOT THEN OUTSPARK THE NEXT K2 NETWORK!!!!!!!!! GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH! IM SO ANNOYED!!!!!!!!!!!!! *RANT RANT RANT RANT FLAME FLAME FLAME FLAME CURSE CURSE CURSE CURSE SPIT SPIT SPIT SPIT* ::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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[bishop9099]

YEAH! The harder it is the more kick u get =)

[academics03]

When I think about it, me being an archer might be why I've been kicked from a party or two: just cause people felt they had no need for me which sucks...the insults are a downer too.
I didn't choose Archer to be the best or anything though, I just like Archers and bows so the fact that I have to grind slower then other classes (I solo a lot) doesn't really bother me, in fact it usually helps me get more production materials or goods to sell for money.

[Isila]

My friend is an archer and I'm a cleric, I love partying with her, she does fairly good damage, and doesn't drain down her SP in the process as a mage does. Archers can kill things before they get to them at times, of course the mob must be lower level, however, even if the mob hits the archer, the archer doesn't die in one shot like a mage usually does. Archers also get a detaunt, so they can dish out all the damage they want, and not have to truly worry about getting aggro off the tank, as a mage must worry about the damage they are dishing out. And, most of all, archer is probably the least used class in Fiesta right now, giving those who play them more respect. Despite all this, I think archers could still use a bit of loving, I'm not saying a lot, just a little bit. Maybe an increase to the damage, or an archer specific bonus from DEX, such as having it increase their attack speed.

Rock on archers ^_^

[Eternal_Flames]

Represent!