Running Fiesta on Linux

[TSAdmin]

I'm not sure if this is the correct area to post this but i'm having problems opening the launcher in linux under Ubuntu Dapper by using wine, which I normally don't have problem running any games under my linux computer using wine maybe sometimes a short on the frames per second, but never anything like this I would like to point out I did google a bit before posting this to see if something would come up but nothing related or stuff I don't understand really below screen shots

the first error that pops up to prompt me

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/917/screenshotoutsparkzg7.png

I press ok then I get this

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1204/screenshotoutspark1hg3.png

then the launcher closes it's self however my windows computer runs it perfectly.

So I ask is there anything I should know to be able to fix or is it just a really bad compatibility problem and probably won't be fixed to work under linux?

[TSAdmin]

bump.. Does no one have an idea of how to fix?

[jason7fd]

Not all games run well in Linux, it depends on the compability and of course your luck too. Try Cedega or Crossover.

[TSAdmin]

Those are just ripped off versions of wine, those don't make the slightest difference for anything on any game for me. Nevermind, i'll just keep playing on my windows PC's

[laniemarie]

I also use ubuntu so if you figure it out please let me know!! :)

[TheCretz]

Sorry guys, at this time the game's architecture is only designed to work on Windows-Based PC's. There are people who are having issues simply by playing on Vista and therefore it's not really recommended playing on anything but Windows XP. I'd recommend using a different computer, or possibly emulating XP but that would be a last resort.

CSR_Cretz

[Tamlinari]

:P
Forget about Vista!
That is a messed up and very unpopular OS.
We want a Linux version.

Linux !

Linux !

Linux !

:D

[destruego]

I would have to agree with Tamlinari on the Linux bit. I've run Fiesta on XP and Vista and I'm trying to run it on today's release of Gutsy in WINE. In Vista it bogs horribly on startup/shutdown to the point I've had to kill its process just to use the computer again. XP wasn't so bad but it wasn't great either, but no surprise since my laptop falls a little short of the minimum specs for the game, but every game I've played in Ubuntu, like WoW, Guild Wars, The Sims 2, etc. has run so much better. I get consistently better FPS and less lag and usually there's no issue in getting games to run. It sounds odd as hell, I know, but Ubuntu just runs my tired hardware better, and it's become my main gaming system even though it isn't supposed to have the oomph.

Anyway, my point is, it'd be an excellent idea at some point to expand into helping it run in Linux or Mac by keeping in mind WINE when you're rolling out updates. It'd broaden the fan base to both and having Fiesta (or that new-fangled closed beta Outspark is working on) run on Linux/Mac well will make it among those rare but awesome games you find that you can play on anything. Besides, it can't hurt to have the customer base widened for the opening of the Fiesta Store.

The game installed with a few errors and this is the error in the outspark.exe.log file. It's the only one and appears six times.

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "outspark.py", line 886, in <module>

File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7819, in __init__

File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7416, in _BootstrapApp

File "outspark.py", line 532, in OnInit

File "outspark.py", line 382, in __init__

File "outspark.py", line 62, in get_app_path

File "outspark.py", line 90, in DEBUG

File "outspark.py", line 95, in ERRLOG

File "outspark.py", line 72, in get_appdata_path

TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'NoneType' and 'str'

I'm no developer so I can't make heads or tails of that and the workings of WINE are pretty much beyond me, but hey, if someone out there can tell me what it might take to get the executable to actually, you know, execute, that'd be awesome. I'm confident that once the game is running there shouldn't be any problems aside from my wireless lag. I'll be posting in the Ubuntu forums on this too in hopes that someone here or there can point me in the right direction.

So please, Outspark devs, keep Linux in mind because it's not going away and it's only going to get bigger and I think it'd be better to be one of the early pioneers and start supporting it sooner than later. I love the game but I'd rather play it on a system that doesn't spy on me or cost a metric buttload to license and, in this case, if the problem above is something in WINE that's causing the game to pitch a fit I actually have the right to fix it. And if anyone out there has had this problem or knows how to fix it, please tell me, I'd hugelyappreciate it. If not, I'll just have to keep playing on the roomie's computer and keep my fingers crossed.

[TSAdmin]

O.o more supporters, yippie.

[Tamlinari]

I sent an inquiry to TransGaming Technologies, the makers of Cedega about the Outspark games, specifically Fiesta.
Cedega is a program that runs in Linux that provides a compatibility layer for games that are programmed for Windows allowing them to run on Linux and in most cases (so I am told) run with increased performance.
Well I got a response back from TransGaming Technologies and they informed me, quote,

"We have not experienced any problems running these types of games on Linux using Cedega nor have we had any reports of any such problems."

Ok, that is pretty generic and does not provide any real definitive answer but it does indicate that it is likely to work and if it doesn't then they want it reported to them.

I may be be inclined to try it with Fiesta but for the moment I will just boot into the old reliable Windows 2000 that still works better than anything that Microsoft has released since.

Oh and by the way, TransGaming Technologies also has a program called Cider for you Mac users.

http://www.transgaming.com/products/

[Murdock]

Unfortunately this game was not design for Linux so it may or may not run. We do not support Linux....

Window XP and Vista will run this game. Win2000 may have issues as well.

Thank you,

[Ryoji]

I know personally that from time to time Fiesta on Vista blows balls. I've lost count on the countless fixes I've made, yet alone the re-installs. Their best bet is to perfect XP, the Vista as those are the majority. Then move over to Linux and Macs.

[Xanthros]

I found something that may help in our quest for the *nix version of Fiesta - as we speak I'm playing with Mono (http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page) - nice framework for running .net apps on *nix and various other platforms. It's also open source, so it's easily modified for those of us who can code to make it play well if it comes to that.

Update since my last post on running Fiesta on *nix:

Fedora Core 6 will attempt to load the launcher now, but I'm still fighting with passing the params required, it'll flash then close. I hope that Mono helps us with this, I despise the monopoly that has brainwashed people into thinking that Windows is the only solution to the computer world.

Interesting note: Microsoft windows runs Linux concentrators on their site (after it passes Akamai) - what does that tell you? :D

Use the force,

X-

http://hektor.umcs.lublin.pl/~mikosmul/origami/tux-linux-penguin-sonobe.jpg

(Tux, origami-style)

[aegrimonia]

Unfortunately this game was not design for Linux so it may or may not run. We do not support Linux....

Window XP and Vista will run this game. Win2000 may have issues as well.

Thank you,

Win2k works like a champ.. i haven't had a single problem with the game since i installed it (windows 2000 sp4)

[Tamlinari]

I despise the monopoly that has brainwashed people into thinking that Windows is the only solution to the computer world.


As do I Xanthros.

[aegrimonia]

Windows isn't the only solution.. but i'm glad so many people are 'brainwashed', because it means that i have one OS, and a few hundred million software programs to choose from that i know are going to work from the get-go.

If every single OS that tried to compete with windows actually succeeded, we'd probably all be running a different OS right now, and none of our software would be compatible.

My first computer was a commodore 64 when i was 9 years old.. i've done the whole 'fight the good fight against the man'. I used to know everything about everything as far as computers go (or so i thought at the time).. but as time goes on, my spare time dwindles.

but i'm 34 now.. and i just want to turn on my computer and do what i want, i don't want to mess with shells or emulation or memory management.. i want to click the icon and run the program... and windows is the best solution for that.

[destruego]

Unfortunately this game was not design for Linux so it may or may not run. We do not support Linux....

Window XP and Vista will run this game. Win2000 may have issues as well.

Thank you,

That pisses me off to such an extent that I'm actually gritting my teeth.

First, yes, Windows XP will run Fiesta. Vista will "run" it. It has taken ten minutes for Fiesta to close in Vista. But hey, apparently no one is doing anything about that either, so it would seem. Anyway...

"We do not support Linux". Why the hell not? It's a superior operating system. Should anything go wrong with it or any of the programs running, every single user has the right to go into the files of said programs and fix it themselves. No one has that freedom with Windows. Any problems that arise means waiting potentially until the end of time for a fix that may or may not come. In Linux, you can post to the forums of whatever distribution you're using, and chances are someone there will be able to steer you in the right direction.

So pardon my French, but this "we do not support Linux" is utter bull****. It's so nice to know that Outspark is completely okay with keeping people locked into the monopolistic, spying practices of Microsoft.

The game is not written for Linux. It doesn't use any Linux native libraries. That's fine. It was written for Windows, using Windows libraries. Fine. But the very least Outspark can do is make sure that the game is compatible with WINE so those of us that actually have a functioning brain and are capable of making an informed decision about how our computers work and what they do and do not do are able to play the games we want on our operating system.

Look at the popularity of Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, etc. The majority of the work done to make them playable in Linux, either using vanilla WINE or Cedega, was done by both WINE devs and Cedega devs. But Blizzard had the good sense to start making their games run in WINE. At one point they ended up banning a buttload of players because those players were using WoW in WINE and it caused them to appear as if they were hacking the game. And then, when they realised they screwed up, they not only fixed it immediately, they publicly apologised and credited the accounts of the players.

In my opinion, you guys at Outspark are seriously screwing up. My laptop runs Ubuntu only. I refuse to have Windows spying on me, nagging me with the WGA crap, calling home to tell them where I am, what version I'm using, what software I have installed, my hardware specs, and my IP address along with my geographical location. I want to use an operating system that, if I so choose, I have complete control of everything it does. And you guys, with your "we don't support Linux" are alienating all those that actually have the brainpower to realise that Microsoft is an evil corporation and made the jump to something far superior, far more secure, and with much better performance.

But oh well... with the latest patch keeping me from logging back onto Fiesta after being so rudely booted, I'm in the frame of mind to sit back and watch you burn right along with Windows when they finally bleed out from shooting themselves in the foot so many times.

Frankly, you should be ashamed of your closed-minded approach. Way to stand out, Outspark, by following along the mainstream like a good little sheep to slaughter. Just don't expect some of us to come flying to your rescue when the axe falls.

Anyway, yeah, sorry for the cursing, but I'm fed up with the widespread lack of Linux support. Just because some of us aren't mindless drones that are happy to let our operating systems tell us what we can and cannot do with our own computers doesn't mean we should be overlooked or tossed aside with a "sorry but we don't support it". Open your eyes and realise that you don't have to rewrite the whole game for Linux, all you need to do is make sure it works in WINE.

So yeah, again, sorry for the cursing. I'm just tired of this sort of crap. It's getting old. Linux is used in everything from routers to space shuttles. Isn't it time the rest of the world caught up?

[aarcane]

while destruego makes a few good points, and I agree with most of them, I can't share his aggressive attitude.

I would like to ask kindly that outspark expand on it's existing support of Open Source Software including Linux.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20477&highlight=Linux
This link provides some info on that Outspark already supports Linux.
since the time of posting that, I have learned that outspark also uses several other Open source applications

Mysql
Drupal
Apache
PHP
BitTorrent

http://corp.outspark.com/jobs.php
Looking at this page you will see that outspark is specifying the following when hiring:
4 years experience in Linux OS environments, and good working knowledge of Windows OS.
Familiarity with database systems (MySQL, MSSQL) a plus
Knowledge of Unix and Windows based systems
Ensure 24x7 operation.
Multiple years of Linux or UNIX system administration experience.
Programming scripting ability (bourne, bash, perl, python, C, LAMP).
5+ years hands-on experience with MySQL and MSSQL
5+ years web application or software development with LAMP stack
Expert knowledge of PHP and other web-centric technologies

http://corp.outspark.com/about.php
you can see that the outspark VP of engineering is VERY familiar with Linux.

Vernon came to the Bay Area in 2000 to partake in the open source revolution, initially working as a senior professional services engineer at Linuxcare and later as an engineer and developer at V.A.Linux. While at V.A. Linux he helped launch SourceForge Enterprise, derived from the world's largest web site for open source software developers.

Furthermore, if you do some DNS lookups on outspark, you will see that they use
DynDNS.com for their DNS, which is a company which specializes in providing DNS for home Linux server hosters, and google for their mail. google as we all know is one of the leading supporters of Open Source Software.

these clearly show that Outspark use and support Linux and other Open source applications.

Is it too much to ask that they go one step further and give back to the community ?

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20479&highlight=Linux
I've detailed in this post both how and why outspark should proceed to implement Linux support.

I maintain that even unofficial linux support is better than no linux support, and proceeding to do small amounts of testing at little additional cost would provide MUCH benefit to the company.

[xyzzy]

I played Fiesta for a little bit before I made the swap from vista to Ubuntu.

The developers should be aware, with distributions becoming easier and easier to swap to, Linux is no longer a thing of the past. I refuse to Duel boot, that defeats the purpose of running linux, so until there is at least a minimal amount of compatibility through wine, transgaming, etc, Im one less customer for you to have.

[Super_bunny32]

I've just signed up for this game because a friend of mine said this game was awesome, but I can't play it due to the fact that I don't not have a copy of windows XP or windows Vista nor do I wish to spend all that money to purchases either one of them I use linux and it would be great to be able to play this game on my linux computer

[xereniak]

i use whine too. on my mac. i have that problem too. you need to get mono.[i got it just b4 posting this] the version for windows. install it and then i dont kno wat to do next. im stuck. my status window tells me these things.... these ebil fings....

[A_geezy]

Wow, thanks for bumping this thread lol...

It is about time they did something for Linux users, I was working on this last year when I started playing but just decided to forgo the hours of programming and just leave my laptop with windows xp.

One idea *i'm not by any means suggesting this though* is that windows xp can be found via torrents, and you can generally dual boot your PC if you use a good partitioner (think Partition Magic)?

anyways, good luck bro.

[CleverIdiot]

I did a little search on google and I found a video of someone running Fiesta in Linux.
It's the EU version though
Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb1DpTfBCXc