Tips on avoiding being hacked.

[Kiljya69]

Ive noticed more n more people are saying they got hacked n i noticed some are ignorant as of how it's possible so i thought i would write a few pointers.

First and foremost and most obvious.
DO NOT GIVE OUT YOUR PASSWORD.

At the end of the day u dont know the person at the other end of the screen. 'He's my in game husband/wife/friend i trust him/her'
Well my in game 'daughter' got hacked by her in game husband previous game i was playing it only took him 5 months after he got her pass to do it. Do not trust people. Sadly ive even seen rl friend hack rl friends, matter of selling items for rl money.


Secondly there are programs called keyloggers. Hackers use these programs to obtain your password. Basically what they do is send the hacker all information u ever type into your computer. The best way to avoid getting one put onto your computer; refrain from accepting files via e-mail or msn and opening unknown webpages. (In most cases you can tell because it will ask u to RUN file rather then open the picture immediately or webpage, but not always, so beware.Also if i receive a notice from outspark i will manually log on to ensure i am not redirected to a false site made to look like the main website. Usually u can tell because the address in your bar will not be the same as www.outspark.com) If u insist on accepting them, they all contain trojans, most of which are detectable by a good anti virus software. You also need a good firewall to prevent possible hijackers from entering your computer n forcing it onto your comp. I suggest mccaffee firewall as my web tech and i spent countless hours trying to get a ping from my home computer n never could. Free one available would be zone alarm.

People to avoid:
Noob hackers tend to continously ask you questions regarding personal info such as favorite color, date of birth, etc so as too try n guess what is likely to be your password. thankfully most have gotten smart n use random digits as their passwords.

Those are the 2 main methods of getting hacked so my post ends here.
Play safe :D

[Kyo_Sama]

uh thats not "hacking"

please if you're going to use the term hacking use it as intended... giving away your account info doesnt constitute hacking. a massive flaw in judgement yes, hacking no.

best way to prevent real hacking, keep your firewalls active and upto date, monitor your network regularly add all unknown ip's to deny on your access list. uh nvm most users here dont run linux ._.

forget what ive said above about real hacking prevention and carry on running windows the number one accepted virus world wide.

[spookyiness]

Good plan, the info on social engineering techniques is good, people quite often answer questions without realising the person asking intends to use them to get password reminders. They even happily take weeks and months to get to know people for that exact reason.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of people in the game who claim they have been "hacked" have not at all, but were just the subject of knowing a loser who took advantage of them. If you actually ask them exactly what happened, you will notice that they all tell you that at some point they gave someone else their password. Keeping your password to yourself is, and will always be, the best way to protect your account.

When you give even your twin your password, it's not about how well you trust them with it, but how careful they are with their things too. It's all well and good me telling my cat my password, confident he'll never tell anyone, but what if he's got a short memory and keeps his passwords written on his little paw, and then steps on something wet, then a sheet of paper, suddenly, my most trusted friend and ally has unwittingly given away my password. Now, granted, that's a little rare, and will probably only happen to maybe 2% of fiesta players (and we all know 77% of statistics are made up on the spot), but just because you trust your best friend, doesn't mean that they don't trust someone else, or that in a few weeks, your best friend is now your worst enemy (yes, even i remember school/college/dating/boys/****s etc), doesn't mean that in a fit of rage something may just happen to appear in a chat window, or be told to another friend.. it's a long tangled web we weave...

just make sure the only person that knows your password is you, and noone else - that way, if you DO get hacked, losing your fiesta account will the smallest of your problems that day.

I'm happy the website doesn't remember your payment details for sparkcash, and that really, you only lose what sc you've already accumulated along with the hard work you put into your game characters. That was good forsight that other websites need to learn.

[Kiljya69]

It's considered hacking as soon as you log onto someone else's chars in order to remove items from them for your own personal gain without their knowledge.

I doubt in game hackers would bother with your bank accounts or credit card. As for credit cards all of them have insurance n it can be settled easily, as for your bank account the fraud charges on your rear end are definitely not worth a few in game items i should hope. But then hackers=stupid so who knows.

I never disputed however that giving out your pass is stupid and if you are stupid enough to do so, then i fully beleive you deserve what you got.


On another note, if you can legally share bank accounts n credit cards with your rl spouse there is absolutely no reason you shouldnt be allowed to do so with a virtual account if u so choose -.-

[spookyiness]

actually, hacking is the sharing of information, usually in computer form, and is only used in negative connotations because that's how apple used to work, and microsoft preferred to be very proprietrary about their software (and hardware, as far as ibm was concerned).

The act of intruding into someone elses computer without their permission, wether remotely, or even sitting at the machine, is more of a legal issue, than 'hacking' one.

It's more about phishing and phreaking these days, to socially engineer, or trick someone into giving personal information and passwords. But if i tell you the password to any of my website log ins, and you use them, i have no legal recourse whatsoever about it. Even telling you my pin number for my ATM card is against the ToS of the bank, and they can close your account on you if they choose to. If someone steals from my account, i have on legal right to prosecute, or get my money back.

"Hacking" or "h4x0r1n6" as the noob h4x0r5 like to call themselves, is rarely an issue with something like fiesta, where there would be no reward other than to say "i did that", or to be malicious to another player you didn't like for some reason.

I know we'll never know, because outspark would be silly to share, but i bet if you polled everyone that claimed they were hacked and their account was accessed by someone other than them, less than 1% would have genuinely had that problem, and that they would have just had bad judgement with trusting someone else, either in game, or even a friend. And of that 1%, i bet all of them were just electronically compromised in general, and not specifically for their fiesta account.

As someone who actually worked in the 'ethical hacking' industry for a while, i learnt a lot about what actually constitues illegal hacking, and what is just poor judgement of people.

[Kyo_Sama]

lol @ ethical hacking

i mean white hats ftw >_> even if you are just black hats in disguise

[spookyiness]

it's tough to put a positive spin on something that gets bad press, in the USA, you're even a terrorist now if you 'hack'

but we, as a team, would intenionaly attempt to gain remote access to a companies server or website, but with their permission (and indeed, we were paid by them), so that their techs knews what to look for and what sections needed better protection so bad ppl wouldn't do it.

[Kyo_Sama]

it's tough to put a positive spin on something that gets bad press, in the USA, you're even a terrorist now if you 'hack'

but we, as a team, would intenionaly attempt to gain remote access to a companies server or website, but with their permission (and indeed, we were paid by them), so that their techs knews what to look for and what sections needed better protection so bad ppl wouldn't do it.

i know what you are referring to. im going to college right now to do the same. However, i never get tired of the term "ethical hacking" its one of my favorite oxymoron.

[DF001]

Also don't buy gold from gold sites, you will get haxxed.

[Kiljya69]

There are lucrative gold sites, but it is against ToS for most games as it is illegal to sell something you do not own.(as the games owners own all our accounts n said items within them), it is not suggested and banneable as gold sellers are basically selling a virtual item they do not own to begin with.
Besides its not that hard to make money.

However:Hacking=where someone attempts to defeat or exploit the security capabilities of a computer system. (keyloggers for example)

Hacking:The act of thievery

Theres about 50 more definitions mostly which do not pertain.

Anyhow this isnt about arguing what hacking is it's about helping people learn how to not be a victim of a hacker.

[Kyo_Sama]

the point is the only thing these people are victims of is their own stupidity / gullibility.

they arent being hacked and key loggers arent hacking ;)

so please, for the love of all thats human learn to properly address the issue, its not hacking in the least.

[ninjadragongodz]

to late my cleric already got hacked and deleated ;'( but started a new fighter pretty much enjoying it :D :P

[the_hurtfull]

when keyloggers are sent and run remotely on someone elses computer, they are a a toold of hacking. while keyloggers may be used for personal computers at an office or other business to monitor employees, ones sent to a private computer from an outside source are a hackers tool. hacking is stealing anything from another source by any means. the way that it is done means nothing more than that either the person was smart and knows how to break security systems or just resourceful and used a simple keylogging program to contained as a trojan inside another file sent from an outside network. so do us a favor kyo sama...stop bashing on those of us trying to help others to not get screwed by people who would take advantage of such a simple program. hacking is stealing, it doesnt matter how you look at it. Thanks :)

[Kyo_Sama]

point being that the methods listed arent hacking :)

if you wish to debate hacking please learn more.

that said there is only one way to prevent hacking...well since you all use the term hacking and theft synonymously its a 3 part method.

1. turn off your pc
2. unplug your pc.
3. never all anyone else to touch your box ever.

3 easy steps to never being hacked.

[Kiljya69]

the point is the only thing these people are victims of is their own stupidity / gullibility.

they arent being hacked and key loggers arent hacking ;)

so please, for the love of all thats human learn to properly address the issue, its not hacking in the least.

ROFLMAO
The keylogger is a 'virus that uses a trojan' Using a keylogger on someone IS hacking. You are purposely conning someone into dling something onto their computers in order to obtain their personal information.
I will laugh rather hard and hopefully not choke to death if u accidentally wind up with one on your computer some day because yes, some come as music files and nvr ask u to run them and are indetectable.

Also if u reread the encyclopedic definitions of hacking the simple act of putting a keylogger onto someones computer, suits both definitions.

[Kyo_Sama]

ROFLMAO
The keylogger is a 'virus that uses a trojan' Using a keylogger on someone IS hacking. You are purposely conning someone into dling something onto their computers in order to obtain their personal information.
I will laugh rather hard and hopefully not choke to death if u accidentally wind up with one on your computer some day because yes, some come as music files and nvr ask u to run them and are indetectable.

Also if u reread the encyclopedic definitions of hacking the simple act of putting a keylogger onto someones computer, suits both definitions.

keyloggers serve multiple purpose, netnany in itself is a keylogger and its not considered hacking. hacking comes with intent the fact that someone has a keylogger runing doesnt make it a hack. that said keyloggers arent viruses.

once again please just learn what it is your are talking about.

[the_hurtfull]

thank you khel...for gods sake, we are trying to help other people, please just back off and go find someone who cares about your personal deffinition of hacking...but, as u said to me....if you wanna call it hacking, do some research.. so maybe u need to go and look up the deffinition in a dictionary and stop trying to be the "smart one" in this conversation because ur making urself look like a fool and an idiot....thanks again =D

*ps. definition of a computer virus: A true virus can only spread from one computer to another when its host (some form of executable code) is taken to the target computer, for instance because a user sent it over a network or the Internet, or carried it on a removable medium such as a floppy disk, CD, or USB drive.*

[Kyo_Sama]

dictionary definition = different from industry standards definition.

[spookyiness]

quite the bucket of fish opened up in this kettle of worms huh

[the_hurtfull]

check my edited post...i pasted the deffinition of a computer virus

[Kyo_Sama]

check my edited post...i pasted the deffinition of a computer virus

you once again pasted a dictionary definition and not industry standards, good job on proving the tech literate people here correct and yourself wrong.

[Kyo_Sama]

quite the bucket of fish opened up in this kettle of worms huh

like flies to manure more like it...

[the_hurtfull]

oh im not tech literate? i apologizing for making you look bad to all ur computer nerd friends because im so "technologically challenged"....my bad

[spookyiness]

well, the idea of the thread was good, shame it turned into a personal flaming war (before you start, this isn't aimed at anyone specific, just a general observation)

[Kyo_Sama]

oh im not tech literate? i apologizing for making you look bad to all ur computer nerd friends because im so "technologically challenged"....my bad

Really now, your last ditch effort was a bash of my character, i love to see your resorting to ad-hominem attacks it just means you have nothing left to say on the subject at hand.

That said apology accepted :)

i would give you a cookie but I've already deleted them for this session.

[the_hurtfull]

Computer viruses are small software programs that are designed to spread from one computer to another and to interfere with computer operation.

A virus might corrupt or delete data on your computer, use your e-mail program to spread itself to other computers, or even erase everything on your hard disk.

Viruses are most easily spread by attachments in e-mail messages or instant messaging messages. That is why it is essential that you never open e-mail attachments unless you know who it's from and you are expecting it.

Viruses can be disguised as attachments of funny images, greeting cards, or audio and video files.

Viruses also spread through downloads on the Internet. They can be hidden in illicit software or other files or programs you might download.

To help avoid viruses, it's essential that you keep your computer current with the latest updates and antivirus tools, stay informed about recent threats, and that you follow a few basic rules when you surf the Internet, download files, and open attachments.

Once a virus is on your computer, its type or the method it used to get there is not as important as removing it and preventing further infection.


here....i pasted the definition of a computer virus as defined by Microsoft....u know the computer company? funnily enough, it looks the same as the other one....only with less big words....maybe this one youll understand xD....while ur trying to come up with a reply ill just go search for the mac deffinition as well....who wants to bet that its the same? xD...btw....the only way these definitions have been created are from computer gurus who really and truly know what they are talking about....u may have ur own deffinition...but this is the universal deffinition, which i believe applies to everyone and affects even your deffinition of the word, so please....just give up...i can post deffinition after deffinition....let us atleast try and help other ppl instead of getting in our way...some people may begin to think u are a hacker or something...wouldnt want that would we?

*ps. oh and saying that i wasnt tech savvy was not a bash at my character? awww if only i wasnt dual majoring in computer and mechanical engineering then you would have actually been right xD...oh well...u cant win them all*

[Kyo_Sama]

Funny cause Microsoft produces nothing but viruses, they are called operating systems.

go look up Apple/Mac they are no better.

obviously you are new to computing and haven't used a real OS.

[Kyo_Sama]

Some people may begin to think u are a hacker or something...wouldnt want that would we?



if i let what other people think of me bother me i wouldnt be sitting behind a terminal, id be on a runway or running for public office.

[the_hurtfull]

its alright bobi...im just tryign to help other people out...but some people dont seem to be able to cope with that so they have to bash everything we say and tell us we are all idiots...to all of you who are reading this and are getting annoyed...sorry about the fighting, but im trying to help yall out and stand up for khel, who started this topic...if anything, just stay on the first page....its actually informative....well the very first post is atleast -.-

*ps Go khel xD*

[Kyo_Sama]

*ps. oh and saying that i wasnt tech savvy was not a bash at my character? awww if only i wasnt dual majoring in computer and mechanical engineering then you would have actually been right xD...oh well...u cant win them all*

good for you, im glad to see your education serving you well...

[Kyo_Sama]

its alright bobi...im just tryign to help other people out...but some people dont seem to be able to cope with that so they have to bash everything we say and tell us we are all idiots...to all of you who are reading this and are getting annoyed...sorry about the fighting, but im trying to help yall out and stand up for khel, who started this topic...if anything, just stay on the first page....its actually informative....well the very first post is atleast -.-

*ps Go khel xD*

right, the thread isnt informative and anyone who was looking for said info hasnt read the ToS. This topic has been beaten to death, and also im helping people you're just to naive to realize it yourself because your to concerned about your friendship.

[spookyiness]

here....i pasted the definition of a computer virus as defined by Microsoft....u know the computer company?

lol

personally, as a computer programmers, i don't equate mircosoft with being a "computer company" so much as successful marketing and and a very qualified patent/legal division.. but that's just me

but all said, you have to admire their mission statement and what they've done for the world, albeit using poo software along the way (how ironic that most ppl that diss m$ are using an IE browser in a MS OS, those of us that use other OS's still ahve to use windows to make sure humans can use stuff too)

[Kyo_Sama]

who uses IE ?

i sure as hell dont.

[spookyiness]

who uses IE ?

i sure as hell dont.

i do

i create software and webpages, if they don't work properly on ie, i lose 80% of my potential customers - it has to work on all os's on all browsers (or at least, the bigger ones)

hate them or not, most consumers use it

[Kyo_Sama]

you could just use firefox, and add on IE tab. you can visually compare the differences from there. and make a page that all your clients can use and is pleasing to them at the same time thus keeping 100% of your base :)

[spookyiness]

you could just use firefox, and add on IE tab. you can visually compare the differences from there. and make a page that all your clients can use and is pleasing to them at the same time thus keeping 100% of your base :)

yeps
but it's not the same
it "emulates" it
the only way to be 100% sure something works on something is to use it.

i don't exclusively use it - i use it to see certain websites that just render better in ie, i use it to test stuff that i make, or for other people, or i use it cause it's there and i can't be arsed to open up mozilla to check something

[the_hurtfull]

the only reason linux doesnt have as many malware is because its not a common desktop program...the current figures are 98% microsoft, 1%ish mac....less than 1% linux...linux is not immune, and nor will it ever be....if u do some research, the ammoutn of widespread linux viruses has more than doubled since 2005 in accordance with its increase in usage...no operating system is perfect...and the more popular linux becomes, the more problems its going to have...besides....i personally prefer windows over linux...wheres it may have a more security risks, a good anti-virus, coupled with being smart and not clicking every link you get and downloading everything ur computer asks u to prevents 99% of viruses from getting in...part of ur computer getting viruses comes from simple ignorance...

~going back to keyloggers~
i am not going to sit here and tell you that a keylogger is a virus in itself, because that is not true. i am merely stating that keylogging programs can be used and enacted as viruses if they are sent to another persons computer and remotely accessed...a simple keylogger program is not in any way a viruses or even intended to be one...i am simply stating that they can be used as one. and yes i do appologize for bashing on u personally...i shouldnt do that...my bad...but please....u really dont need to go uber techno on all of the people out there who dont know what a true hack is...our definition is ethically correct and just stealing someones username and pass can be considered a hack...shall we just leave it at that?

<----done arguing....gonna go check out the instance dungeon if fiestas back up...peace!!!!

[the_hurtfull]

which it is now -.- hurry and oooooopen

[the_hurtfull]

awww dont bash IE....i love IE...its just such a simplistic design and easy to use...cant stand firefox -.-....i think i just got too used to IE after all those years of playin runescape -.-

[Kyo_Sama]

the only reason linux doesnt have as many malware is because its not a common desktop program...the current figures are 98% microsoft, 1%ish mac....less than 1% linux...linux is not immune, and nor will it ever be....if u do some research, the ammoutn of widespread linux viruses has more than doubled since 2005 in accordance with its increase in usage...no operating system is perfect...and the more popular linux becomes, the more problems its going to have...besides....i personally prefer windows over linux...wheres it may have a more security risks, a good anti-virus, coupled with being smart and not clicking every link you get and downloading everything ur computer asks u to prevents 99% of viruses from getting in...part of ur computer getting viruses comes from simple ignorance...

~going back to keyloggers~
i am not going to sit here and tell you that a keylogger is a virus in itself, because that is not true. i am merely stating that keylogging programs can be used and enacted as viruses if they are sent to another persons computer and remotely accessed...a simple keylogger program is not in any way a viruses or even intended to be one...i am simply stating that they can be used as one. and yes i do appologize for bashing on u personally...i shouldnt do that...my bad...but please....u really dont need to go uber techno on all of the people out there who dont know what a true hack is...our definition is ethically correct and just stealing someones username and pass can be considered a hack...shall we just leave it at that?

<----done arguing....gonna go check out the instance dungeon if fiestas back up...peace!!!!

mhmm and while linux has less problems to deal with its also not a program, its an OS. One day soon with Windows 7 you all will see some of the great features that real pc's have until then use your GUI and be happy that you think you know computers.

[Kyo_Sama]

awww dont bash IE....i love IE...its just such a simplistic design and easy to use...cant stand firefox -.-....i think i just got too used to IE after all those years of playin runescape -.-

fail... and you want to be a computer engineer.

Thank god you're not going into software design and program development as the above statement would get your ridiculed tremendously.

[the_hurtfull]

and once again -.- i try and back off but u keep bashin me -.-

~off topic....i must say that siggy is funny as hell~

but yea...thanks for the correction...its what i meant -.-

YaY windows!!! honestly ill prolly drop windows here in the next few years and switch to linux, but until then, i like my windows cuz its so simplistic...i like doing things the easy way...know what i mean? why make things hard...im used to windows...so may as well use it...

[Kyo_Sama]

so typing in letters of commands and using tab to autofill is hard ?

[the_hurtfull]

yea yea i realize that...but im minoring in software and game development...hahaha ive been programming calculators for years...hahahahahahahaha...no seriously i have -.-....and either way...they can laugh all they want...ive never cared what people thought of me...'sepcially people i dont even know O.o...why do what they say matter to me? wow...not gonna lie...this topic got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off

[the_hurtfull]

and no...i do not have much xperience in software engineering atm...been too busy with mechanical enginerring...bridges dont build themselves unfortunately -.-....

[the_hurtfull]

i dont feel like typing all the stuff myself -.- may as well let something do it for me...im xtremely lazy...always have been, always will be...no point in doing the work if someone else does it for u...know what i mean?

[Kyo_Sama]

And to think i might end up working with you makes me horribly sad. I chose to be in this field because its something in enjoy, not for any simplicity.

So to be very blunt, no i dont know what you mean.

[spookyiness]

And to think i might end up working with you makes me horribly sad. I chose to be in this field because its something in enjoy, not for any simplicity.

So to be very blunt, no i dont know what you mean.

i chose this field cause i'm ADD & OCD and computers are the only things that calm me down, cause they are the only things that work faster than my brain sometimes goes, so i find it fun

but then, i'm old, and i used to have to program in machine code hex & 8 bit binary and then super dopper assembly language, ooo the days of cobol, pascal & fortran make me shudder, but i miss them in todays all 'visual' whatever languages.

at least there's something new every day to learn about, so overactive brains have something to digest

i want food again

kitty says hi

well, it was meow, but i'm sure it meant hi